“Show don’t tell” They broke the most important rule! I wanted to see the day Ariana died not just see Dumbledore telling the story. I wanted to see how him and grindelwald fell in love. Not to just be told they were in love. Show us!!!!
I think they will further elaborate in the next film. This is basically the ending of Credence's story arch which was a major focus of the first 3 films.
It was so weird we didn’t see thesus grieve about leta at all. All the human and relatable emotions were barely explored. What I loved about the Hp books is that yes it’s a magical world but it focuses on human things we all experience. Family loss, bullying and friendship. Here they had those themes but they were no where near explored
There is a five year gap between FB2 and FB3. It is actually healthy that Theseus appears to have moved on, and seems to have entered a new relationship at the end of the film. He wanted justice for what happened, but never once sought revenge.
I really prefer Mads as Grindelwald, but to be 100% fair to Johnny Depp, Grindelwald is much better written in this movie and has the advantage of actually sharing scenes with Dumbeldore.
I didn’t get the hype with mads at all! Am I missing something? Not a fan of Jude law as a person, but he was the clear standout for me in this movie. His acting was top tier and it’s clear he’s observed Michael gambons protrayal, even taking on his accent
@@raindropsonroses3919 mads is Just a better actor for serious roles and fits the role better. He knows how to play complex, twisted fcks. Depp simply didnt fit neither the grindelwald role nor albus' partner role, and that freakish appearance in fb2 didnt help. Out of 3 people that played grindelwald in fb, depp was simply the weakest. So people are glad that the role was given to more fitting actor
Dont agree. Acting is still the biggest factor of how the character comes out. Lol, i had more evil genius wizard wibes from Farrell grindelwald in fb despite him being in that role for like 5 to 10 minutes total than i got from the whole fb2
@@vermilion6966 Yeah we disagree which is fine. I'm not saying Mads' performance had nothing to do with it, only that Depp was at a disadvantage from not being able to play the nuances and vulnerabilities that Mads was given with his scenes with Jude Law. Those were the best moments with Grindelwald in my opinion.
@@vermilion6966 being arguably better than depp doesn’t make him a fantastic Grindewald though. I’ve yet to be impressed by someone taking on this role.
I don't get the praise for Jude Law's Dumbledore. He's a great actor in other movies, but as long as he keeps wearing those dapper suits, I cannot see him as Dumbledore. He's just Jude Law in a suit.
While I love your enthusiasm in setting Dumbledore up with someone haha, I think the point is after their final conflict, Dumbledore comes out a changed man, extremely independent, scarred by his former love, and a nonsexual character as a result, as we see him in the books and movies.
I don't think there's a shortage of men who'd want to be with Dumbledore, I think Dumbledore is probably just really picky because of how talented and powerful he is compared to everyone else. Man's probably got super high standards.
I mean its not about the standard but attraction. Why would someone really intellegent want someone Just plain stupid? Its disfunctional. Plus it was said that after such betralyal he kinda gave up on that aspect of the life, wasnt even looking for anyone
I think it's similar to a Sherlock Holmes thing. Dumbledore needs a mind that can mentally stimulate and bounce back his creative and intelligent ideas. at the same time he loves to surround himself by simpleminded people, as it calms him down.
It may be a "problem" to see Dumbledore alone, but it's also realistic. Some people, gay or straight, simply give up. In fact not really problematic as it makes him MORE relatable not less. Asexual, or jaded, waiting for a "unicorn," or celibate on purpose, can also be areas of representation here.
Regardless of the overall movie quality... I have to say that the scene during Dumble and Grindel's dule where they had their hand on each others heart was wow!!! No amount of censorship could take away form what it actually meant for both men.
I think it's laying the groundwork for Grindelwald to surrender during their duel and that's how he's defeated. We see that he does love Dumbledore in his own way cause he couldn't kill him at the end of this movie when they had finished with their hands on each other's chest AND when Dumbledore turned his back on him and walked away. He also was known to show remorse after years in prison in the books. It'll be interesting if he would start showing some remorse by the time they duel at the end of the franchise!
I thought the ending/ wedding was closure for Newt's supporting characters. Could easily see the next movies (if they make them) focusing on just Dumbledore with Newt coming in to help at the end.
It feels like the perfect ending for Qeeny and Jacob, however it's missing the ending for Newt and Tina, which both are sidelined in this film. Tina literally, Newt more emotionally.
@@MarkFilipAnthony I think newt and Tina will still be in the movies but the others maybe not. Newt did say that he will help dumbledore again at the end
The ending is really more of a closing chapter to Jacob and Queenie cause they're happy now. If we will gonna see them in the next 2 films they will just probably be a cameo.
The Qilin is not the reason Grindelwald can see into the future, he's a seer. That's the whole reason why JD's Grindelwald was smoking from that skull in the last movie.
Having dumbledore end up alone is what really sells this story; when Dumbledore is finally forced to kill Grindelwald, he prevents an incredibly harmful wizard from destroying the peace of the wizarding world. However, he also destroys his one true love, creating a life of sorrow for himself. Not every story has to finish on a happy note, ending Dumbledore's story on a sad note is what makes it so investing, due to a unique and unpredictable ending.
Dumbledore doesn't kill Grindelwald. Voldemort does in the HP movies. Grindelwald surrenders and is imprisoned which makes the story more interesting because Dumbledore could go see his first and only love again at prison but he never does until he himself dies and Grindelwald is killed shortly after.
This movie actually made me cry I was so sad for queenie always being able to hear people thoughts good and bad, I was so happy she still loved Jacob I felt so sorry for dumbledore being alone, I would date him
I thought Mads knocked it out of the park! This movie was better than the second, by far! I hope they continue with the next two. And you're right, it was sad
I believe Grindelwald loved Albus as well cause the scene when they touch each others heart and felt its beat. There is a love/somethibg in Grindelwald's eye and saying "who is going to love you now" may be directed to himself as well, the more tragic is their love story
I agree. Fantastic beasts felt done, but the rivalry still needs to be told. Wouldn’t be surprised we get a film along the lines of “Albus Dumbledore: War Against Grindelwald”
Honestly as a huge harry potter fan this movie was capable of delivering my expectations, adults performing magic like the adults they are. And perhapd ill have to disagree with u in the fact that dumbledore should go out and see other guys, dumbledore is a very reserved person and his toxic relationship with grindelwald might be the “demon” in his head that makes him believe he is not capable of handling another relationship so i think they should keep him alone, all his suffering and remorse has been seen since the cave scene in harry potter 6 where he says “its all my fault” this just proves how those “demon” have been with him for a long time
I feel like the third film can't be the end. There is still WWII stuff, Dumbledore and Grindlewald's final duel in 1945 and Newt and Tina still officially getting together.
I saw it today and absolutely loved it! If it can continue with this level of emotional deep diving into the characters, especially Dumbledore and the stunning visuals ...then I am there for it!
Man that final fight between Dumbledore and Grindlewald gave me goosebumps 😭 We definitely need to get one more movie (at least) centering on their final confrontation 🙏🏻
I appreciate how they kind of knew this would potentially flop and so they gave it a somewhat satisfying ending for Newt and the rest of the gang. They might still make another movie or two somewhere down the line about Dumbledore and Grindelwald, but for now, I wont be gutted if they take a break from the franchise.
I NEED TO SEE THE FINAL BATTLE. I don't care if the movies are good or not. That battle is necessary. The HP movies are seriously lacking in epic wizard battles. (Dumbledore vs. Voldemort being the obvious exception) I want that battle times 100. I want to see a full 30+ minute fight between these two. It needs to be epic and legendary. It could and should be one of the greatest duels in cinema history.
@@realdavidjones1623 Completely true, but these movies have hyped people up for the literal "Greatest Wizard Duel of all time" Dumbledore wins the Elder Wand from Grindewald. And at this point, I'm 100% with Grace. I want to see that fight.
I've seen it twice already (it opened here in Japan last week) and enjoyed it both times. I'm surprised Grace didn't talk more about the character Lolli -- she made, with Kowalski, made the film for me. (And btw Grace, they pronounce it "CHILL' in" in the movie.)
I think one of the biggest problems of this franchise is that most of us don't really care about this characters, there's no attachment... And they keep bringing new ones every single time without any substantial plots
sad, apparently Im not most of us. I really love Newt, Tina, Qeeny and Jacob 😭❤️ I actually like Newt much more than Harry Potter as a character, could never relate to him much 😅
The problem with this series, is that JK Rowling does not know how to write films. She is a novelist not a screenwriter, and gets too hung up on useless subplots and convoluted twists. The setup and characters are actually pretty straight forward. A guy who travels the world, his Auror brother and girlfriend, a witch/muggle couple, the friend who was murdered by the villain, and a muggleborn teacher. All of which fit into the Dumbledore and Grindelwald rivalry and WWII. Credence was a plot device used to tell Ariana’s backstory without actually showing it.
You can't just look at an RT score, and assume that a higher rating means a movie is good, and a lower rating, bad. It's not that simple these days. You have to be aware of other factors, to enterprit what the rating really means. How I read the 51% score of THIS movie is that the film ISNT ad bad as the rating suggests. At least 15-20 points were likely deducted, due to JK Rowling backlash. The true score, free of any ulterior agendas, is around 70%.
Why is it a problem to end up alone? i thought you liked tragic romance... i personally like that he ended up without a partner because i don't think that he was lonely at all.
Loved the movie and loved this review! I especially found the ending gorgeous and immensely powerful! Without ONE WORD Jude Law was able to convey the sadness and alienation caused by his tragic love story-and although of course in the movie this isn't necessarily caused by him being gay (no one has a problem with that) it's definitely something I myself as a gay man have felt. Like you see all the straight people at the wedding coupling and being happy and tho you can appreciate it there's something that isn't for you in there. Gorgeous!
It was all caused by Aberforth’s disapproval of their relationship. While it was not directly stated what the disapproval was about, it could be assumed that them being gay was the reason that sparked the anger (this all happens years prior to the movie’s timeline, so perhaps tolerance in the wizarding world has improved). Edit: and you’re right! That ending was portrayed perfectly. I watched the movie hours ago and I’m still lingering on that scene. I’m here because of that scene too. Jude Law acted it so damn well!
@@juansebastian9259 haha true, but somehow feels less likely. I don't remember too well but Grin hasn't become a murderer yet at the time of the argument right?
I think it would be a crime to not finish the story now. If it comes down to it, I’ll take a Dumbledore-Grindelwald HBOMax series, but I want the gay kiss/biggest wizarding fight on the biggest screen possible. Three films in, one more will not do more damage
After having finished seeing this a few hours ago, I wish they'd shown more of Tina and Newt together. I did like though that he has a new picture of her in his suitcase and their reunion at the wedding
Putting a further emphasis on the political debate would've really improved this movie, and Queenie's decision to join Grindelwald in the first was never explained and hence, her decision to revert to the good side felt unearnt and weakened the film.
It was such a sweet closure to the characters introduced in the first film, a miniseries focused on Dumbledore vs Grindelwald would be the best way to go so they can wrap their story
I guess I liked the idea that Dumbledore turned on his brother for Grindelwald, and a dumbledore was killed (Ariana the sister) but here in the final scene, Dumbledore stood with his brother against Grindelwald and a Dumbledore was saved (Credence)
Great review! Here's what I would love to have happen with this franchise... 1. I agree, this should mark the end of the Newt-Jacob-Queenie storyline and continue with Dumbledore-Grindlewald (in fact, Warner Bros. should've launched the Harry Potter prequel with the Dumbledore spin-off. He was and still is a beloved character...they should've given us more of what we care about. No shade to Newt, but coming off the end of the Harry Potter film series, no one wanted to see Newt collect creatures. Give the fans what they care about. This reminds me of your criticism of how Warner Bros. (WB) is handling the upcoming Game of Thrones prequels--allocating resources to stories the fans don't care about). 2. I think, well I hope, this is the plan...but, WB should continue with the Dumbledore-Grindlewald story (only 1 movie for this) and give us the greatest battle in Wizard History to wrap up that storyline. However, this time, WB should include a mid-credits scenes that serves as a time jump and shows the exact scene from Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince where Dumbledore meets young Voldemort aka Tom Riddle. 3. Now the next movie jumps right into the first Wizarding war with Voldemort (I see that being a 2 part movie; with part 2 ending with Voldemort attempting to kill Harry Potter, which lead directly into Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, thus putting a beautiful bow on the Wizarding World film franchise). Granted, I know there may be some pushback because the original actor who played Lilly Potter, for example, is much older....but I am pretty certain WB can do some great casting and get people who resemble the original actors.
Grace in her reviews: “This movie is surprisingly good and exciting, go see it” Also grace in Movie Math after the evident flop: “this movie is so obviously flawed, I don’t think there will be a sequel”
I think the entire point was that Dumbledore doesn't trust himself to fall in love again after what happened with his sister. He feels like it was somehow a consequence of him trying to leave that day with Grindelwald and the person that his love for Grindelwald turned him into.
This movie scarred me for life in the very first act with the violent slaughter of a baby magical creature shortly after its birth. WTF??? NEVER AGAIN.
The biggest issue this series has is letting JK write the scripts. She is an incredible novelist, but that is a very different writing skill to writing a movie script. They should never have rushed into these movies. JK should have taking the years to first write out the series as books, taking her time to get the story she wanted to tell mapped out clearly. Then let the studio come in, hire script writers to translate the books into movies. JK took years to map and flesh out the Potter series in her head even before the first book came out. She had everything lined up from beginning to end. With these films you can tell she only had a rough outline when they went into production on the first film and is now trying to connect all the dots as each film is written.
Totally agree, she should have written the whole series in books, and other people would have written scripts and the movie from that. They feel like having the same wacky roadmap as Star Wars Sequels. Adjusting the story of each episode of the series depending on tweets that happen at the current time. It is kind of sad that Fantastic beasts in the title, is in little, and Dumbledore as taken all the space available. Is it the story of Newt or Dumbledore, sounds more like Dumbledore's. But then, they have a cast of characters they don't know what to do with. Jacob, Queenie, Newt's brother, even Newt is kind of sidetracked. And he was a fun character to follow that's a shame.
Great review. I watched the movie for the second time yesterday and yes, let's go right to the teachers' lounge. I just hope they give us the great duel between Albus and Gellert, since it's a milestone in the Wizarding World. Jessica Williams sequences were great and I'm looking forward to see more of that kind of stuff whether it's in the next movie or series maybe.
I agree with you they should have shown Dumbledore and Grindewald past instead of let them talking about it. I liked Credence fight with Dumbledore and the arc they give to him,but should have been a longer fight, the ending for Credence was touching but I would have like to see more about it, Credence is an important character. I think there were too many stories so they cut alot and didn't get deeper in the caracthers and I think most of the arc of the caracther are complete so yes not sure of the need of a 4 movie. I loved Mads Mikkelsen more then Jhonny in the role.
Grace, as to both the fight between Dumbledore and Credence and later Dumbledore vs. Grindelwald, Dumbledore seals the fights and their destruction into sort of a parallel pocket universe of sorts, in order to protect the surrounding people/actual space from potential harm. Think mirror-verse from the MCU. It's not very well explained, but still.
U also have to realise credence has the raw power he just doesn’t have the knowledge how to use it despite Grindelwald teaching a little bit obviously not much unlike dumbledore so of course he lost against him.
Wow was that amazing timing I just got home from seeing it 😂 I have that feeling that it’s gonna end after this as well just cause it has that type of ending where there could be another but it could easily end there too. I was extremely frustrated with how little Tina was in the movie; however, I did enjoy the movie a lot even with her not being in it all that much cause she’s a cool character.
I find it funny how you talk about how dark the oozing skeleton and baby deer death when the last film had two baby murders. I don't think you can get darker than that.
It's hard to say if Grindlewald did it or did not love Dumbledore back. I think in the end, when he is confronted by Voldemort about the wand, Grindlewald is reluctant to tell him Dumbledore has it so his grave wouldn't be desecrated. So that shows some love. But he is very manipulative. He likely came to Godric's Hollow to specifically to befriend Dumbledore because he saw that Dumbledore was the one who stopped him. So he made that pact to prevent Dumbledore from attacking him. He is a long con kind of person I really wish they started the movie with Grindlewald and Dumbledore as youths and the fight.
I liked this movie. Already watched it twice, but Dumbledore is my sole reason to follow this story. I hope that they get to do at least one more movie to wrapped this up. I NEED to see that final fight with Dumbledore and Grindelwald. Don't care if its another movie, and HBO Max series or whatever. I just wanna see Jude Law playing Albus again. But they need to fix this franchise, that is important if they wanna go forward. Anyway, maybe there's no Fantastic Beasts 4 & 5 for now, but we're getting an AMAZING videogame coming our way based on the Wizarding World. I never thought I'd say this but maybe the future for the witches and wizards is in the videogame media, because the game looks like an instant hit. Whatever they do, I'm in as long as Dumbledore is in. Great review Grace, as always.
I think they should just wrapped up the 4th and 5th planned movies into 1 long movie with the greatest magic fights especially between Gellert and Albus. And call it a day
I’m no fan of this franchise, but this one might be better than most of the HP movies. I was almost in tears for the last twenty minutes or so. I A rather endearing story about repairing (or letting go) of relationships, both romantic and familial, and unlikely individuals finding confidence to be heroes.
I’m surprised how this got a rotten tomato on RT. Was damn impressed with this movie. That final scene killed me. Albus all alone with so much envy while observing what was one of the warmest wedding scene in a while was just so… sad and happy and sad and happy but super sad all at the same time for Albus. Jude Law killed it with his expressions - the emptiness that comes with accepting that you just lost any chance at love… that disheartening “what if” feeling that keeps wanting him to imagine it to be himself and Gellert instead in there… I could feel just how envious he was of Queenie and Jacob. I am now a fan of Jude.
Dumbledore's thing is that he isolates himself - he did that in the main series and he did that here. It's his MO, constantly, to save society at arm's length. To love the world, but only by removing himself from it; to be always the aloof brain behind the operation. It is, I think, part of why Grindelwald appealed to him; G does the same D does. Even then, though, their romance was when they were younger, and probably more open. In my opinion, it would be disingenuous to his character to give him a love interest for that reason.
As a gay man myself, I found myself cringing at some of the cliche dialogue not just between Jude Law and Mads Mikkelson, but in general. Although I appreciate the representation I’m given in this film, it wasn’t strong enough to me. In fact, some of the “chemistry” you describe between them doesn’t feel organic at all. I don’t blame the actors, the writing is the weakest part of this film. Jude Law did the best he could given a really terrible script. As also a Potterhead since Chamber of Secrets, this film unfortunately has taken the Star Wars route the sequel trilogy took: cringe nostalgia. I found myself yawning and bored in the 3rd act. The entire family storyline between the Dumbledores and the side plots were just so surface level and mediocre. Terrible terrible script. PS: In my opinion, Dumbledore vs Voldemort fight is still better than this fight. I would NOT recommend any straight or LGBTQ+ people to watch this film. It definitely does NOT outweigh the drama caused by creator JK Rowling at all. I almost walked out of the theater twice. Jude Law is the only reason why I stayed.
I just want to see the duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald. I don't care if I have to see a crappy sequel or a mediocre TV series in order to see it.
Just saw the movie. I personally thought it was a good movie but not a great movie. I think i was expecting dumbdore and grindelwald to have a huge face off. Especially since i went in thinking this would conclude the overall story. Which whenever they do i want them to end with harry or tom riddle to have everything come full circle. I will say the score at the final scene was fantastic
I'm stoked for a future seeking the biggest Wizarding battle ever between these two ex lovers. I don't need more Fantastic beasts, though the characters working as secondary players to the main event is fine. I loved Mads in this role, he definitely comes across as less cartoonish and more sinister. I honestly have no desire to see the second movie again, it makes little sense anyway.
Newt and company were always meant to be the supporting cast to Dumbledore and Grindelwald battling it out during WWII. It is a shame JK Rowling had to over complicate the story with convoluted backstories and subplots. Newt travels the world and studies animals. The very animals Grindelwald slaughters to practice Divination. Theseus and Tina are Aurors, while Queenie and Jacob are a witch/muggle couple. Lally Hicks is muggleborn and Charms teacher. Leta should not have killed off so early, and used as the double agent/spy. All these characters work to support a WWII setting, and enhance Dumbledore and Grindelwald’s rivalry. It should not have been that difficult to pull off, had WB just hired Steve Kloves as the screenwriter from the beginning.
Dumbledore not being alone thereafter is a huge no for me. It makes zero sense for the character, be it the HP book canon or the movies' canon. Almost every decision he makes and definitely all his mistakes come back to the fact that despite loving people in general he did not get past his trauma and learn to open up to them both because he was emotionally compromised and because he felt he destroyed everyine he got close to. I think that the parts of Credence's story I appreciated (despite his story being rushed) was the communication through the mirror and the fact that he exposed Grindelwald calmly and having control over himself, not just driven by anger like it's usually the case for him. Throughout the three movies, every time Grindelwald tries to manipulate him and abuse him he touches his face and plays on his hunger for human intimancy, so I loved the visual parallel of Credence smudging him with phoenix ass right before exposing him. The way Dumbledore described the events before Ariana's death leaves out a big part and if there's not more to it it makes little sense. I hope that they threw that scene in in case they didn't get another movie, but still plan to have flashbacks if they get the green light for more. Mikkelsen's Grindelwald was phenomenal and not just because of his chemistry with Law. There are several scenes during which we glimpsed Grindelwald's vulnerability and his delusions, and it was not conveyed verbally. It was just the acting and it was beautiful. Overall I LOVED the grindeldore parts of the movie and liked it as a whole. That said, I definitely think that, while there are some interesting elements throughout the countersight plot, they may get easily lost among the MANY things that are happening. I would have chosen a little less focus on the fun parts and a bit more time to further develop for the politics and the rest of the characters.
We need more Fantastic Beasts films. I need to see Grindelwald revenge. I need to see the Goldstein sisters fight against the army of Grindelwald. I need Credence to redeem himself and see him in a good light. There's so many story lines that needs closure. Probably my favorite FB movie -- yet.
Ezra Miller has been arrested numerous times and Credence basically just died in this film. Plus, Queenie will probably be murdered, if the series continues.
In the next movie, I think they need to focus more on Newt and Tina as well as Theseus and Eulalie. An HBO Max TV series about Newt's career as a zoologist and/or a TV series about Dumbledore's past would be cool.
It's funny how an almost absolute democracy like the wizard community was saved by some ancient rite in which an animal chooses the "most pure in heart"' to rule. Also no one suspected that the Qilin might have been magically manipulated, as one would expect from the most notorious dark wizard of the time. I really hope we will see more of Credence - it did not feel like a worthy conclusion to his twisted journey. Nevertheless I really liked the movie mostly for the aspects you have pointed out. Especially the beginning and the scene when they entered the german ministry of magic.
I really enjoyed this movie. And as a gay man who grew up with the release of the Harry Potter series, Dumbledore was always an inspiration - more so when JK Rowling announced he is gay. And I don’t fault her for not including it in the books - the societal and political climate at the time was not in a place to accept that. Not to mention all the heat the Harry Potter series was already receiving from certain Christian communities for focusing on magic and witchcraft. So to see Dumbledore be the star of a movie and to have his tragic romance focused on meant a lot. Along with all of that, the movie was a fun, dark adventure with bits of whimsy. It’s always a joy to go back into the wizarding world 🥰🥳✨
The best way to continue this franchise is by green lighting the last two movies as Dumbledore centric movies and finish Fantastic beast on HBO max. This would be the best route imo.
This was such an improvement from the last 2 entries that I’m incredibly bummed that it’s bombing. I legit teared up during the finale fight and ending of the movie. As a member of the lgbt community this was just extraordinary
I don't think the Wizarding World should give Dumbledore another boyfriend... But it should consider introducing LGBTQ wizards in loving relationships... Cos having Dumbledore as the only... Sad and tragic... Representation in the entire Wizarding franchise is not it.
I think the problem with these movies is essentially they come up with really great, creative ideas and visually stunning fight scenes, but they just can't seem to know how put it all together. There are so many inconsistencies and the plot overall isn't that much cohesive. The main reason for that being the whole magic thing, so with no clear rules established since the beginning on how magic work, they certainly can't help it.
The Secrets of Dumbledore is better than The Crimes of Grindelwald, but still not as charming as Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. I am more invested in Newt & Tina's romance than Dumbledore & Grindelwald. I hope they focus on these two couples in 4 & 5 and Newt just visits Jacob & Queenie now that their story has a happy ending.
We need WB to make a Fantastic Beasts Documentary where Newt narrates everything about magical creatures in the wizarding world, almost like a David Attenborough documentary but a movie or series.
I thought it was a much better step in the right direction for the story than the last movie. I agree about credence but at leastbhe got a decent ending and explanation of how he is a Dumbledore. I really liked seeing the dynamics of Gallert and Albus together on screen. It really put their relationship front and center. Professor Hicks was awesome! The politics was also really cool. Except I didn't really understand how the voting worked...Mads was scary, especially at the end when he used crucio on Jacob right after being elected. Hogwarts and the music gave me chills. The duels were really cool and the use of magic as well, especially at the end. I loveeeddd how much more of the Wizarding world we got to see. Especially in Asia it was so cool. I agree the focus now should be on the 2 great wizards and their inevitable showdown, but I hope Newt is kept around still to help, as well as Professor Hicks. I think just seeing albums going it alone (as a lead) against Grindelwald will be a mistake. We already have established characters and I like the use of the fantastic beasts. Especially in this movie. I hope in the next installment we see a more unrestrained Grindelwald and his followers in a way that sows terror across the Wizarding world. Also I think Albus is going to probably not see other guys, he is very much changed by the time of Harry Potter and I think he found ways to connect to others and find love that was not romantic to fulfill his heart. He's a deeply caring and loving man in the books with close friends. Obviously his duel with grindelwald leaves a big impact and he changes a lot, including probably not wanting to be vulnerable or close to someone romantically again. At least not to the extent he was with Grindelwald. I also hope Grindelwalds main followers get named/have bigger roles. In the Harry Potter movies/books, not only was Voldemort scary but his followers like Bellatrix, the Malfoys, Peter Pettigrew, Barty Crouch Jr, Yaxley and Dolohov were all also scary.
I will watch this movie only because of Maria Fernanda Cândido. I am Brazilian and FASCINATED by her. Such a dream come true to have a br actress in the wizard world.
definitely story should be continue, and I want more action scenes and plot twists and complex events, that was missing in the third film. and definitely definitely more romance between Dumbledore and Grindelwald.
The Qilin kneeling for Dumbledore felt incredibly pandering to me. Dumbledore has never been pure of heart, he's always been the the crafty one who manipulated others for his version of the greater good. Arguably doing what needed to be done but not in a way that has ever spoken to me as "pure of heart." This entire movie felt like it was scrambling to get its feet underneath it after the meandering disaster of the larger narrative from the previous two films and I felt it succeeded at that but not much more than that.
My take on the water drop is that it was a spell that led to an hallucination. I believe that the same thing happened with the Phoenix ash dropping on Grindlewald - a form of manipulation of natural elements. The purpose is for Dumbledore to confront an angry opponent in a safe manner. They fight but it’s not really happening and Dumbledore is still able to try and turn his opponent to the light side. It’s probably something that only Dumbledore, as the most powerful wizard in the world, is able to do and therefore even other powerful wizards can not combat the magic.
Finally a review where you have the feeling the person behing the video has done their research and acknowledges the craftship of this movie. I have seen so many (rather negative) reviews for this movie that are just superficially criticizing the movie right after watching it. I love how you go into details and show your enthusiasm!
Loved the movie and had low expectations because of mixed reviews, found it quite emotional 😭 but me and my friend both said we want 2 more movies .The Movie theatre was full but it is opening day . The crabs 🦀 got a lot of laughs
I really enjoyed the movie, despite it's flaws. Albus and Gellert were really good here, together and apart. The touch of another wirter is very noticeable; at least in the these two. The one thing I can't get over tho (besides the lack of explanations or the disregard of canon) is the election. Like, what??? They just shoot colored sparks and that's a vote? How is it counted? Why wouldnt one wizard be able to do this multiple times? And how do they know the votes from the people around the world??? That part was silly and took me out of the movie.
Part of me wishes they would bring back some of the lighthearted tone, wonder, fun, and adventure from the older Harry Potter films. The dark serious gritty tone of the later movies that carried over into Fantastic Beasts has gone on for a long time. Just saying.
If this movie was meant to tie up the fantastic beast part and the others will be Dumbledore I'm all for it. I want to see Grindlewald at Dumstrang, I want to see him getting expelled. I want to see it paralleled with Dumbledore's Hogwarts career (him likely being the last Triwizard champion) and graduating with the expectations of great things ahead and his vaulting pride and ambition . Then the inevitable dissapointment of having to stay home and care for his sister. I want to see Grindlewald visions, how they affected him and why he developed his ideology. If they can give us that. I would be happy. It is agreed that Grindlewald likely went Godric's Hollow because he saw that Dumbledore would be the one to stop him. Hence he manipulated him to make the blood pact. All this stuff is so much more interesting than Fantastic Beast gave us. I want Hicks and Theseus back but not Newt, Queenie, Jacob or Tina. They are holding the story back. If they are in it, I want their roles to be backdrop.
A possible sequel could still feature Newt Scamander in a beast support role. But following the Hollywood laws of prequel canon, more well-known wizards and witches will have to be added in. We already saw an early Professor McGonagall in this movie. I think future installments will probably have to feature a Weasley grandparent, an early Garrick Ollivander, etc. in key roles saving the Wizarding world.
I watched the whole movie thinking that the plot twist, the whole point of bringing Jacob along, was that the quilin would pick him as the mos pure soul at the election, as Dumbledore would have foreseen it. It would be awesome, a muggle being apointed, and then resigning in favor of a worthy leader (Vicencia in this case).
My take on the blood oath is that one couldn't individually break the oath, but if they both wanted to break it, it would end. So, their spells hitting each other around Credence in the end is them both deciding to break it.
“Show don’t tell”
They broke the most important rule!
I wanted to see the day Ariana died not just see Dumbledore telling the story.
I wanted to see how him and grindelwald fell in love. Not to just be told they were in love.
Show us!!!!
They won’t show the actual love story cause that would be harder to edit out 😴😴 coward gay-baiting
Perhaps an Ariana flashback would be too graphic and horrific for PG-13 onscreen.
@@DazzNovaNature they showed a ton of teens dying in the original 8 movies….
I think they will further elaborate in the next film. This is basically the ending of Credence's story arch which was a major focus of the first 3 films.
@@curtisjordan5303 next film???? After they lost millions with this one??
It was so weird we didn’t see thesus grieve about leta at all. All the human and relatable emotions were barely explored.
What I loved about the Hp books is that yes it’s a magical world but it focuses on human things we all experience. Family loss, bullying and friendship.
Here they had those themes but they were no where near explored
The movie takes placed like a lot of years since the last film so of course He probably already moved on.
@@robertbench5187 well they could’ve made that more clearer. But also the scene she actually died he barely had any reaction at all lol
@@jacobsed6665 What u mean? He was literally devasted when he witnessed her death back in The Crimes of Grindelwald.
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There is a five year gap between FB2 and FB3. It is actually healthy that Theseus appears to have moved on, and seems to have entered a new relationship at the end of the film. He wanted justice for what happened, but never once sought revenge.
I really prefer Mads as Grindelwald, but to be 100% fair to Johnny Depp, Grindelwald is much better written in this movie and has the advantage of actually sharing scenes with Dumbeldore.
I didn’t get the hype with mads at all! Am I missing something? Not a fan of Jude law as a person, but he was the clear standout for me in this movie. His acting was top tier and it’s clear he’s observed Michael gambons protrayal, even taking on his accent
@@raindropsonroses3919 mads is Just a better actor for serious roles and fits the role better. He knows how to play complex, twisted fcks. Depp simply didnt fit neither the grindelwald role nor albus' partner role, and that freakish appearance in fb2 didnt help. Out of 3 people that played grindelwald in fb, depp was simply the weakest. So people are glad that the role was given to more fitting actor
Dont agree.
Acting is still the biggest factor of how the character comes out. Lol, i had more evil genius wizard wibes from Farrell grindelwald in fb despite him being in that role for like 5 to 10 minutes total than i got from the whole fb2
@@vermilion6966 Yeah we disagree which is fine. I'm not saying Mads' performance had nothing to do with it, only that Depp was at a disadvantage from not being able to play the nuances and vulnerabilities that Mads was given with his scenes with Jude Law. Those were the best moments with Grindelwald in my opinion.
@@vermilion6966 being arguably better than depp doesn’t make him a fantastic Grindewald though. I’ve yet to be impressed by someone taking on this role.
On the drive home I said a lot of negative things about the narrative of the movie but I CAN NOT shake Jude Law's performance. He was incredible
He's better as Dr Watson
I don't get the praise for Jude Law's Dumbledore. He's a great actor in other movies, but as long as he keeps wearing those dapper suits, I cannot see him as Dumbledore. He's just Jude Law in a suit.
While I love your enthusiasm in setting Dumbledore up with someone haha, I think the point is after their final conflict, Dumbledore comes out a changed man, extremely independent, scarred by his former love, and a nonsexual character as a result, as we see him in the books and movies.
I don't think there's a shortage of men who'd want to be with Dumbledore, I think Dumbledore is probably just really picky because of how talented and powerful he is compared to everyone else. Man's probably got super high standards.
I mean its not about the standard but attraction. Why would someone really intellegent want someone Just plain stupid? Its disfunctional. Plus it was said that after such betralyal he kinda gave up on that aspect of the life, wasnt even looking for anyone
I think it's similar to a Sherlock Holmes thing. Dumbledore needs a mind that can mentally stimulate and bounce back his creative and intelligent ideas.
at the same time he loves to surround himself by simpleminded people, as it calms him down.
@@vermilion6966 it could be both. what are you disagreeing with?
@@bellkanen1998 what are YOU dissagreeing with, someones opinion that doesnt even contradict the original post at all?
Clown fiesta
@@vermilion6966 useless comment lmao
IM SHOCKED THEY DIDNT SHOW US THE DAY ARIANA DIED! OR WHEN HE FELL IN LOVE WITH GRINDELWALD.
We were told these things but not shown
It may be a "problem" to see Dumbledore alone, but it's also realistic. Some people, gay or straight, simply give up. In fact not really problematic as it makes him MORE relatable not less. Asexual, or jaded, waiting for a "unicorn," or celibate on purpose, can also be areas of representation here.
Regardless of the overall movie quality... I have to say that the scene during Dumble and Grindel's dule where they had their hand on each others heart was wow!!! No amount of censorship could take away form what it actually meant for both men.
I think it's laying the groundwork for Grindelwald to surrender during their duel and that's how he's defeated. We see that he does love Dumbledore in his own way cause he couldn't kill him at the end of this movie when they had finished with their hands on each other's chest AND when Dumbledore turned his back on him and walked away. He also was known to show remorse after years in prison in the books. It'll be interesting if he would start showing some remorse by the time they duel at the end of the franchise!
I thought the ending/ wedding was closure for Newt's supporting characters. Could easily see the next movies (if they make them) focusing on just Dumbledore with Newt coming in to help at the end.
It feels like the perfect ending for Qeeny and Jacob, however it's missing the ending for Newt and Tina, which both are sidelined in this film.
Tina literally, Newt more emotionally.
@@MarkFilipAnthony I think newt and Tina will still be in the movies but the others maybe not. Newt did say that he will help dumbledore again at the end
The ending is really more of a closing chapter to Jacob and Queenie cause they're happy now. If we will gonna see them in the next 2 films they will just probably be a cameo.
@@robertbench5187 - Unless, Grindelwald kills Queenie in the fourths film. Which is very likely, given she betrayed him to marry a no-maj/muggle.
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The Qilin is not the reason Grindelwald can see into the future, he's a seer. That's the whole reason why JD's Grindelwald was smoking from that skull in the last movie.
Seer’s need to sacrifice animals to channel their visions. Otherwise, they end up like Tralawney.
Having dumbledore end up alone is what really sells this story; when Dumbledore is finally forced to kill Grindelwald, he prevents an incredibly harmful wizard from destroying the peace of the wizarding world. However, he also destroys his one true love, creating a life of sorrow for himself. Not every story has to finish on a happy note, ending Dumbledore's story on a sad note is what makes it so investing, due to a unique and unpredictable ending.
Dumbledore doesn't kill Grindelwald. Voldemort does in the HP movies. Grindelwald surrenders and is imprisoned which makes the story more interesting because Dumbledore could go see his first and only love again at prison but he never does until he himself dies and Grindelwald is killed shortly after.
Dumbledore never killed Grindelwald. That is the entire point. He could not bring himself to murder his soulmate.
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@@ilram06 this sounds more and more like hannibal season 3
Why does Dumbledore need to end up someone? There are many people who choose not to be in a relationship, can't he be like those?
Honest this movie can’t decide if it’s love story or not, disappointed.
This movie actually made me cry
I was so sad for queenie always being able to hear people thoughts good and bad, I was so happy she still loved Jacob
I felt so sorry for dumbledore being alone, I would date him
I thought Mads knocked it out of the park! This movie was better than the second, by far! I hope they continue with the next two. And you're right, it was sad
I believe Grindelwald loved Albus as well cause the scene when they touch each others heart and felt its beat. There is a love/somethibg in Grindelwald's eye and saying "who is going to love you now" may be directed to himself as well, the more tragic is their love story
I agree. Fantastic beasts felt done, but the rivalry still needs to be told. Wouldn’t be surprised we get a film along the lines of “Albus Dumbledore: War Against Grindelwald”
Dumbledore v Grindelwald
Honestly as a huge harry potter fan this movie was capable of delivering my expectations, adults performing magic like the adults they are. And perhapd ill have to disagree with u in the fact that dumbledore should go out and see other guys, dumbledore is a very reserved person and his toxic relationship with grindelwald might be the “demon” in his head that makes him believe he is not capable of handling another relationship so i think they should keep him alone, all his suffering and remorse has been seen since the cave scene in harry potter 6 where he says “its all my fault” this just proves how those “demon” have been with him for a long time
I feel like the third film can't be the end. There is still WWII stuff, Dumbledore and Grindlewald's final duel in 1945 and Newt and Tina still officially getting together.
Find you a villain that looks at you the way Grindelwald looks at Albus during the opening scene.
I saw it today and absolutely loved it! If it can continue with this level of emotional deep diving into the characters, especially Dumbledore and the stunning visuals ...then I am there for it!
Man that final fight between Dumbledore and Grindlewald gave me goosebumps 😭
We definitely need to get one more movie (at least) centering on their final confrontation 🙏🏻
I appreciate how they kind of knew this would potentially flop and so they gave it a somewhat satisfying ending for Newt and the rest of the gang. They might still make another movie or two somewhere down the line about Dumbledore and Grindelwald, but for now, I wont be gutted if they take a break from the franchise.
I loved this movie, as a magic fan, I hope there's more.
I NEED TO SEE THE FINAL BATTLE. I don't care if the movies are good or not. That battle is necessary. The HP movies are seriously lacking in epic wizard battles. (Dumbledore vs. Voldemort being the obvious exception) I want that battle times 100. I want to see a full 30+ minute fight between these two. It needs to be epic and legendary. It could and should be one of the greatest duels in cinema history.
true, that was the only actual battle in Harry Potter but F.B movies had loads of really good magic scenes
@@realdavidjones1623 Completely true, but these movies have hyped people up for the literal "Greatest Wizard Duel of all time" Dumbledore wins the Elder Wand from Grindewald. And at this point, I'm 100% with Grace. I want to see that fight.
@@ethanmattix I think it lasted for a day
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I've seen it twice already (it opened here in Japan last week) and enjoyed it both times. I'm surprised Grace didn't talk more about the character Lolli -- she made, with Kowalski, made the film for me. (And btw Grace, they pronounce it "CHILL' in" in the movie.)
I think one of the biggest problems of this franchise is that most of us don't really care about this characters, there's no attachment... And they keep bringing new ones every single time without any substantial plots
sad, apparently Im not most of us. I really love Newt, Tina, Qeeny and Jacob 😭❤️
I actually like Newt much more than Harry Potter as a character, could never relate to him much 😅
Im attached to Newt and Tina. Makes me very sad how their story is being cut out 😭
Honestly, I’ve heard the opposite. Lots of people love Newt and Dumbledore
The problem with this series, is that JK Rowling does not know how to write films. She is a novelist not a screenwriter, and gets too hung up on useless subplots and convoluted twists.
The setup and characters are actually pretty straight forward. A guy who travels the world, his Auror brother and girlfriend, a witch/muggle couple, the friend who was murdered by the villain, and a muggleborn teacher. All of which fit into the Dumbledore and Grindelwald rivalry and WWII. Credence was a plot device used to tell Ariana’s backstory without actually showing it.
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You can't just look at an RT score, and assume that a higher rating means a movie is good, and a lower rating, bad. It's not that simple these days. You have to be aware of other factors, to enterprit what the rating really means.
How I read the 51% score of THIS movie is that the film ISNT ad bad as the rating suggests. At least 15-20 points were likely deducted, due to JK Rowling backlash. The true score, free of any ulterior agendas, is around 70%.
Why is it a problem to end up alone? i thought you liked tragic romance... i personally like that he ended up without a partner because i don't think that he was lonely at all.
Loved the movie and loved this review! I especially found the ending gorgeous and immensely powerful! Without ONE WORD Jude Law was able to convey the sadness and alienation caused by his tragic love story-and although of course in the movie this isn't necessarily caused by him being gay (no one has a problem with that) it's definitely something I myself as a gay man have felt. Like you see all the straight people at the wedding coupling and being happy and tho you can appreciate it there's something that isn't for you in there. Gorgeous!
It was all caused by Aberforth’s disapproval of their relationship. While it was not directly stated what the disapproval was about, it could be assumed that them being gay was the reason that sparked the anger (this all happens years prior to the movie’s timeline, so perhaps tolerance in the wizarding world has improved).
Edit: and you’re right! That ending was portrayed perfectly. I watched the movie hours ago and I’m still lingering on that scene. I’m here because of that scene too. Jude Law acted it so damn well!
@@Onbosh Or maybe he disapproved his brother dating a crazy murderer?
@@juansebastian9259 haha true, but somehow feels less likely. I don't remember too well but Grin hasn't become a murderer yet at the time of the argument right?
I think it would be a crime to not finish the story now. If it comes down to it, I’ll take a Dumbledore-Grindelwald HBOMax series, but I want the gay kiss/biggest wizarding fight on the biggest screen possible. Three films in, one more will not do more damage
After having finished seeing this a few hours ago, I wish they'd shown more of Tina and Newt together. I did like though that he has a new picture of her in his suitcase and their reunion at the wedding
Putting a further emphasis on the political debate would've really improved this movie, and Queenie's decision to join Grindelwald in the first was never explained and hence, her decision to revert to the good side felt unearnt and weakened the film.
It was such a sweet closure to the characters introduced in the first film, a miniseries focused on Dumbledore vs Grindelwald would be the best way to go so they can wrap their story
I guess I liked the idea that Dumbledore turned on his brother for Grindelwald, and a dumbledore was killed (Ariana the sister) but here in the final scene, Dumbledore stood with his brother against Grindelwald and a Dumbledore was saved (Credence)
Great review! Here's what I would love to have happen with this franchise...
1. I agree, this should mark the end of the Newt-Jacob-Queenie storyline and continue with Dumbledore-Grindlewald (in fact, Warner Bros. should've launched the Harry Potter prequel with the Dumbledore spin-off. He was and still is a beloved character...they should've given us more of what we care about. No shade to Newt, but coming off the end of the Harry Potter film series, no one wanted to see Newt collect creatures. Give the fans what they care about. This reminds me of your criticism of how Warner Bros. (WB) is handling the upcoming Game of Thrones prequels--allocating resources to stories the fans don't care about).
2. I think, well I hope, this is the plan...but, WB should continue with the Dumbledore-Grindlewald story (only 1 movie for this) and give us the greatest battle in Wizard History to wrap up that storyline. However, this time, WB should include a mid-credits scenes that serves as a time jump and shows the exact scene from Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince where Dumbledore meets young Voldemort aka Tom Riddle.
3. Now the next movie jumps right into the first Wizarding war with Voldemort (I see that being a 2 part movie; with part 2 ending with Voldemort attempting to kill Harry Potter, which lead directly into Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, thus putting a beautiful bow on the Wizarding World film franchise). Granted, I know there may be some pushback because the original actor who played Lilly Potter, for example, is much older....but I am pretty certain WB can do some great casting and get people who resemble the original actors.
Grace in her reviews: “This movie is surprisingly good and exciting, go see it”
Also grace in Movie Math after the evident flop: “this movie is so obviously flawed, I don’t think there will be a sequel”
I think the entire point was that Dumbledore doesn't trust himself to fall in love again after what happened with his sister. He feels like it was somehow a consequence of him trying to leave that day with Grindelwald and the person that his love for Grindelwald turned him into.
This movie scarred me for life in the very first act with the violent slaughter of a baby magical creature shortly after its birth. WTF??? NEVER AGAIN.
The biggest issue this series has is letting JK write the scripts. She is an incredible novelist, but that is a very different writing skill to writing a movie script. They should never have rushed into these movies. JK should have taking the years to first write out the series as books, taking her time to get the story she wanted to tell mapped out clearly. Then let the studio come in, hire script writers to translate the books into movies. JK took years to map and flesh out the Potter series in her head even before the first book came out. She had everything lined up from beginning to end. With these films you can tell she only had a rough outline when they went into production on the first film and is now trying to connect all the dots as each film is written.
Totally agree, she should have written the whole series in books, and other people would have written scripts and the movie from that.
They feel like having the same wacky roadmap as Star Wars Sequels. Adjusting the story of each episode of the series depending on tweets that happen at the current time.
It is kind of sad that Fantastic beasts in the title, is in little, and Dumbledore as taken all the space available. Is it the story of Newt or Dumbledore, sounds more like Dumbledore's.
But then, they have a cast of characters they don't know what to do with. Jacob, Queenie, Newt's brother, even Newt is kind of sidetracked. And he was a fun character to follow that's a shame.
I want an HBO Max show: Dumbledores dating diaries
Great review. I watched the movie for the second time yesterday and yes, let's go right to the teachers' lounge. I just hope they give us the great duel between Albus and Gellert, since it's a milestone in the Wizarding World. Jessica Williams sequences were great and I'm looking forward to see more of that kind of stuff whether it's in the next movie or series maybe.
The beast’s name is Qi Lin. The pronunciation was not “Kui-lin” but more like “chi-Lin”. In Japanese it’s called Kirin.
The Japanese version reminds of Krillin.
I really want to know at what point Dumbledore swaps out the classy three piece suits for the eccentric purple robes. 🤣
I agree with you they should have shown Dumbledore and Grindewald past instead of let them talking about it. I liked Credence fight with Dumbledore and the arc they give to him,but should have been a longer fight, the ending for Credence was touching but I would have like to see more about it, Credence is an important character. I think there were too many stories so they cut alot and didn't get deeper in the caracthers and I think most of the arc of the caracther are complete so yes not sure of the need of a 4 movie. I loved Mads Mikkelsen more then Jhonny in the role.
Grace, as to both the fight between Dumbledore and Credence and later Dumbledore vs. Grindelwald, Dumbledore seals the fights and their destruction into sort of a parallel pocket universe of sorts, in order to protect the surrounding people/actual space from potential harm. Think mirror-verse from the MCU. It's not very well explained, but still.
That's what I thought as well.
Kind of clear enough in my opinion. But, I guess it's understandable if people don't seem to understand.
U also have to realise credence has the raw power he just doesn’t have the knowledge how to use it despite Grindelwald teaching a little bit obviously not much unlike dumbledore so of course he lost against him.
Wow was that amazing timing I just got home from seeing it 😂 I have that feeling that it’s gonna end after this as well just cause it has that type of ending where there could be another but it could easily end there too. I was extremely frustrated with how little Tina was in the movie; however, I did enjoy the movie a lot even with her not being in it all that much cause she’s a cool character.
I find it funny how you talk about how dark the oozing skeleton and baby deer death when the last film had two baby murders. I don't think you can get darker than that.
It's hard to say if Grindlewald did it or did not love Dumbledore back. I think in the end, when he is confronted by Voldemort about the wand, Grindlewald is reluctant to tell him Dumbledore has it so his grave wouldn't be desecrated.
So that shows some love.
But he is very manipulative. He likely came to Godric's Hollow to specifically to befriend Dumbledore because he saw that Dumbledore was the one who stopped him. So he made that pact to prevent Dumbledore from attacking him.
He is a long con kind of person
I really wish they started the movie with Grindlewald and Dumbledore as youths and the fight.
I loved Jessica williams in this movie. Her 30’s accent was a bit uneven but she’s so charismatic and powerful she reminded me of hermione.
I liked this movie. Already watched it twice, but Dumbledore is my sole reason to follow this story. I hope that they get to do at least one more movie to wrapped this up. I NEED to see that final fight with Dumbledore and Grindelwald. Don't care if its another movie, and HBO Max series or whatever. I just wanna see Jude Law playing Albus again. But they need to fix this franchise, that is important if they wanna go forward. Anyway, maybe there's no Fantastic Beasts 4 & 5 for now, but we're getting an AMAZING videogame coming our way based on the Wizarding World. I never thought I'd say this but maybe the future for the witches and wizards is in the videogame media, because the game looks like an instant hit. Whatever they do, I'm in as long as Dumbledore is in.
Great review Grace, as always.
I think they should just wrapped up the 4th and 5th planned movies into 1 long movie with the greatest magic fights especially between Gellert and Albus. And call it a day
I’m no fan of this franchise, but this one might be better than most of the HP movies. I was almost in tears for the last twenty minutes or so. I
A rather endearing story about repairing (or letting go) of relationships, both romantic and familial, and unlikely individuals finding confidence to be heroes.
Mads' Grindelwald was basically Hannibal (PG-13)
Grindelwald didn’t get the ability to see the future bc he killed the creature. He’s a seer and can already do it
I’m surprised how this got a rotten tomato on RT. Was damn impressed with this movie. That final scene killed me. Albus all alone with so much envy while observing what was one of the warmest wedding scene in a while was just so… sad and happy and sad and happy but super sad all at the same time for Albus. Jude Law killed it with his expressions - the emptiness that comes with accepting that you just lost any chance at love… that disheartening “what if” feeling that keeps wanting him to imagine it to be himself and Gellert instead in there… I could feel just how envious he was of Queenie and Jacob. I am now a fan of Jude.
Dumbledore's thing is that he isolates himself - he did that in the main series and he did that here. It's his MO, constantly, to save society at arm's length. To love the world, but only by removing himself from it; to be always the aloof brain behind the operation. It is, I think, part of why Grindelwald appealed to him; G does the same D does. Even then, though, their romance was when they were younger, and probably more open. In my opinion, it would be disingenuous to his character to give him a love interest for that reason.
Would Warner Bros have the balls to do a kiss flashback between Dumbledore Grindelwald?
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That Qilin was Bambie cuteness on steroids.
As a gay man myself, I found myself cringing at some of the cliche dialogue not just between Jude Law and Mads Mikkelson, but in general. Although I appreciate the representation I’m given in this film, it wasn’t strong enough to me. In fact, some of the “chemistry” you describe between them doesn’t feel organic at all. I don’t blame the actors, the writing is the weakest part of this film. Jude Law did the best he could given a really terrible script. As also a Potterhead since Chamber of Secrets, this film unfortunately has taken the Star Wars route the sequel trilogy took: cringe nostalgia. I found myself yawning and bored in the 3rd act. The entire family storyline between the Dumbledores and the side plots were just so surface level and mediocre. Terrible terrible script.
PS: In my opinion, Dumbledore vs Voldemort fight is still better than this fight.
I would NOT recommend any straight or LGBTQ+ people to watch this film. It definitely does NOT outweigh the drama caused by creator JK Rowling at all.
I almost walked out of the theater twice. Jude Law is the only reason why I stayed.
I just want to see the duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald. I don't care if I have to see a crappy sequel or a mediocre TV series in order to see it.
Just saw the movie. I personally thought it was a good movie but not a great movie. I think i was expecting dumbdore and grindelwald to have a huge face off. Especially since i went in thinking this would conclude the overall story. Which whenever they do i want them to end with harry or tom riddle to have everything come full circle. I will say the score at the final scene was fantastic
I'm stoked for a future seeking the biggest Wizarding battle ever between these two ex lovers. I don't need more Fantastic beasts, though the characters working as secondary players to the main event is fine. I loved Mads in this role, he definitely comes across as less cartoonish and more sinister. I honestly have no desire to see the second movie again, it makes little sense anyway.
Newt and company were always meant to be the supporting cast to Dumbledore and Grindelwald battling it out during WWII. It is a shame JK Rowling had to over complicate the story with convoluted backstories and subplots. Newt travels the world and studies animals. The very animals Grindelwald slaughters to practice Divination. Theseus and Tina are Aurors, while Queenie and Jacob are a witch/muggle couple. Lally Hicks is muggleborn and Charms teacher. Leta should not have killed off so early, and used as the double agent/spy. All these characters work to support a WWII setting, and enhance Dumbledore and Grindelwald’s rivalry. It should not have been that difficult to pull off, had WB just hired Steve Kloves as the screenwriter from the beginning.
Yooooo if you liked this you should watch my review for secrets of Dumbledore BRAH
Dumbledore not being alone thereafter is a huge no for me. It makes zero sense for the character, be it the HP book canon or the movies' canon. Almost every decision he makes and definitely all his mistakes come back to the fact that despite loving people in general he did not get past his trauma and learn to open up to them both because he was emotionally compromised and because he felt he destroyed everyine he got close to.
I think that the parts of Credence's story I appreciated (despite his story being rushed) was the communication through the mirror and the fact that he exposed Grindelwald calmly and having control over himself, not just driven by anger like it's usually the case for him. Throughout the three movies, every time Grindelwald tries to manipulate him and abuse him he touches his face and plays on his hunger for human intimancy, so I loved the visual parallel of Credence smudging him with phoenix ass right before exposing him.
The way Dumbledore described the events before Ariana's death leaves out a big part and if there's not more to it it makes little sense. I hope that they threw that scene in in case they didn't get another movie, but still plan to have flashbacks if they get the green light for more.
Mikkelsen's Grindelwald was phenomenal and not just because of his chemistry with Law. There are several scenes during which we glimpsed Grindelwald's vulnerability and his delusions, and it was not conveyed verbally. It was just the acting and it was beautiful.
Overall I LOVED the grindeldore parts of the movie and liked it as a whole. That said, I definitely think that, while there are some interesting elements throughout the countersight plot, they may get easily lost among the MANY things that are happening. I would have chosen a little less focus on the fun parts and a bit more time to further develop for the politics and the rest of the characters.
We need more Fantastic Beasts films. I need to see Grindelwald revenge. I need to see the Goldstein sisters fight against the army of Grindelwald. I need Credence to redeem himself and see him in a good light. There's so many story lines that needs closure. Probably my favorite FB movie -- yet.
Ezra Miller has been arrested numerous times and Credence basically just died in this film. Plus, Queenie will probably be murdered, if the series continues.
In the next movie, I think they need to focus more on Newt and Tina as well as Theseus and Eulalie. An HBO Max TV series about Newt's career as a zoologist and/or a TV series about Dumbledore's past would be cool.
It's funny how an almost absolute democracy like the wizard community was saved by some ancient rite in which an animal chooses the "most pure in heart"' to rule. Also no one suspected that the Qilin might have been magically manipulated, as one would expect from the most notorious dark wizard of the time. I really hope we will see more of Credence - it did not feel like a worthy conclusion to his twisted journey.
Nevertheless I really liked the movie mostly for the aspects you have pointed out. Especially the beginning and the scene when they entered the german ministry of magic.
I really enjoyed this movie.
And as a gay man who grew up with the release of the Harry Potter series,
Dumbledore was always an inspiration - more so when JK Rowling announced he is gay.
And I don’t fault her for not including it in the books - the societal and political climate at the time was not in a place to accept that.
Not to mention all the heat the Harry Potter series was already receiving from certain Christian communities for focusing on magic and witchcraft.
So to see Dumbledore be the star of a movie and to have his tragic romance focused on meant a lot.
Along with all of that, the movie was a fun, dark adventure with bits of whimsy.
It’s always a joy to go back into the wizarding world 🥰🥳✨
The best way to continue this franchise is by green lighting the last two movies as Dumbledore centric movies and finish Fantastic beast on HBO max. This would be the best route imo.
This was such an improvement from the last 2 entries that I’m incredibly bummed that it’s bombing. I legit teared up during the finale fight and ending of the movie. As a member of the lgbt community this was just extraordinary
I don't think the Wizarding World should give Dumbledore another boyfriend... But it should consider introducing LGBTQ wizards in loving relationships... Cos having Dumbledore as the only... Sad and tragic... Representation in the entire Wizarding franchise is not it.
I think the problem with these movies is essentially they come up with really great, creative ideas and visually stunning fight scenes, but they just can't seem to know how put it all together. There are so many inconsistencies and the plot overall isn't that much cohesive. The main reason for that being the whole magic thing, so with no clear rules established since the beginning on how magic work, they certainly can't help it.
The Secrets of Dumbledore is better than The Crimes of Grindelwald, but still not as charming as Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. I am more invested in Newt & Tina's romance than Dumbledore & Grindelwald. I hope they focus on these two couples in 4 & 5 and Newt just visits Jacob & Queenie now that their story has a happy ending.
Knowing JK Rowling, Queenie will probably be murdered by Grindelwald, if this series continues.
It is actually pronounced qi-lin (chi-lin), as how it is pronounced in the film numerous times
I hate it being in 52% already in rotten tomatoes. What the hell. -_-
We need WB to make a Fantastic Beasts Documentary where Newt narrates everything about magical creatures in the wizarding world, almost like a David Attenborough documentary but a movie or series.
I thought it was a much better step in the right direction for the story than the last movie. I agree about credence but at leastbhe got a decent ending and explanation of how he is a Dumbledore. I really liked seeing the dynamics of Gallert and Albus together on screen. It really put their relationship front and center. Professor Hicks was awesome! The politics was also really cool. Except I didn't really understand how the voting worked...Mads was scary, especially at the end when he used crucio on Jacob right after being elected. Hogwarts and the music gave me chills. The duels were really cool and the use of magic as well, especially at the end. I loveeeddd how much more of the Wizarding world we got to see. Especially in Asia it was so cool. I agree the focus now should be on the 2 great wizards and their inevitable showdown, but I hope Newt is kept around still to help, as well as Professor Hicks. I think just seeing albums going it alone (as a lead) against Grindelwald will be a mistake. We already have established characters and I like the use of the fantastic beasts. Especially in this movie. I hope in the next installment we see a more unrestrained Grindelwald and his followers in a way that sows terror across the Wizarding world.
Also I think Albus is going to probably not see other guys, he is very much changed by the time of Harry Potter and I think he found ways to connect to others and find love that was not romantic to fulfill his heart. He's a deeply caring and loving man in the books with close friends. Obviously his duel with grindelwald leaves a big impact and he changes a lot, including probably not wanting to be vulnerable or close to someone romantically again. At least not to the extent he was with Grindelwald. I also hope Grindelwalds main followers get named/have bigger roles. In the Harry Potter movies/books, not only was Voldemort scary but his followers like Bellatrix, the Malfoys, Peter Pettigrew, Barty Crouch Jr, Yaxley and Dolohov were all also scary.
When they brought the qilin “back to life” i was thinking they had a lazerus pit lol. Like wheres batman
I will watch this movie only because of Maria Fernanda Cândido. I am Brazilian and FASCINATED by her. Such a dream come true to have a br actress in the wizard world.
I'm disappointed that she only had one line.
I read somewhere the actress who played Tina didn’t want to be in the movie due to COVID?
that water drop was just a visual effect to show he was using some kind of Aresto Momentum I guess.
“Oh no it died for the first time…Dumbledore did it!” -Grace 🤣🤣🤣
We need to at least get to see the Romance between Gellert and Albus during their young days on screen!!! Just like “Call Me By Your Name”
definitely story should be continue, and I want more action scenes and plot twists and complex events, that was missing in the third film. and definitely definitely more romance between Dumbledore and Grindelwald.
The Qilin kneeling for Dumbledore felt incredibly pandering to me. Dumbledore has never been pure of heart, he's always been the the crafty one who manipulated others for his version of the greater good. Arguably doing what needed to be done but not in a way that has ever spoken to me as "pure of heart." This entire movie felt like it was scrambling to get its feet underneath it after the meandering disaster of the larger narrative from the previous two films and I felt it succeeded at that but not much more than that.
My take on the water drop is that it was a spell that led to an hallucination. I believe that the same thing happened with the Phoenix ash dropping on Grindlewald - a form of manipulation of natural elements. The purpose is for Dumbledore to confront an angry opponent in a safe manner. They fight but it’s not really happening and Dumbledore is still able to try and turn his opponent to the light side. It’s probably something that only Dumbledore, as the most powerful wizard in the world, is able to do and therefore even other powerful wizards can not combat the magic.
Hey Grace, I have been waiting for your review of THE NORTHMAN and EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE. Please upload them as soon as you can... 😊
Finally a review where you have the feeling the person behing the video has done their research and acknowledges the craftship of this movie. I have seen so many (rather negative) reviews for this movie that are just superficially criticizing the movie right after watching it. I love how you go into details and show your enthusiasm!
FB 1 : New York FB 2 : Paris FB 3 : Berlin FB 4 : ....... Which capital city are we having for the fourth installement?
Berlin / Bhutan
Rome / Italy or Madrid / Spain possibly ?! 🤩
India would be pretty cool
Loved the movie and had low expectations because of mixed reviews, found it quite emotional 😭 but me and my friend both said we want 2 more movies .The Movie theatre was full but it is opening day . The crabs 🦀 got a lot of laughs
I really enjoyed the movie, despite it's flaws. Albus and Gellert were really good here, together and apart. The touch of another wirter is very noticeable; at least in the these two. The one thing I can't get over tho (besides the lack of explanations or the disregard of canon) is the election. Like, what??? They just shoot colored sparks and that's a vote? How is it counted? Why wouldnt one wizard be able to do this multiple times? And how do they know the votes from the people around the world??? That part was silly and took me out of the movie.
Part of me wishes they would bring back some of the lighthearted tone, wonder, fun, and adventure from the older Harry Potter films. The dark serious gritty tone of the later movies that carried over into Fantastic Beasts has gone on for a long time. Just saying.
If this movie was meant to tie up the fantastic beast part and the others will be Dumbledore I'm all for it.
I want to see Grindlewald at Dumstrang, I want to see him getting expelled. I want to see it paralleled with Dumbledore's Hogwarts career (him likely being the last Triwizard champion) and graduating with the expectations of great things ahead and his vaulting pride and ambition . Then the inevitable dissapointment of having to stay home and care for his sister. I want to see Grindlewald visions, how they affected him and why he developed his ideology.
If they can give us that. I would be happy.
It is agreed that Grindlewald likely went Godric's Hollow because he saw that Dumbledore would be the one to stop him. Hence he manipulated him to make the blood pact.
All this stuff is so much more interesting than Fantastic Beast gave us.
I want Hicks and Theseus back but not Newt, Queenie, Jacob or Tina. They are holding the story back. If they are in it, I want their roles to be backdrop.
The fact that six seconds of lgbt dialogue were taken out of the film for Chinese Audiences shows a lack of integrity.
A possible sequel could still feature Newt Scamander in a beast support role. But following the Hollywood laws of prequel canon, more well-known wizards and witches will have to be added in. We already saw an early Professor McGonagall in this movie. I think future installments will probably have to feature a Weasley grandparent, an early Garrick Ollivander, etc. in key roles saving the Wizarding world.
was the monster in the prison a blastended scrut? loved that :) Also jacob getting the Cocrotch Clusters from Slytherin was epic xD
This is great timing. I just got back from the theater and I loved it.
Yes me too!
Yooooo if you liked this you should watch my review for secrets of Dumbledore BRAH
I watched the whole movie thinking that the plot twist, the whole point of bringing Jacob along, was that the quilin would pick him as the mos pure soul at the election, as Dumbledore would have foreseen it. It would be awesome, a muggle being apointed, and then resigning in favor of a worthy leader (Vicencia in this case).
Been hanging out for this! Really enjoyed the film, but wish we’d gone further exploring Dumbledore’s past. There’s no problem with flashbacks WB.
My take on the blood oath is that one couldn't individually break the oath, but if they both wanted to break it, it would end. So, their spells hitting each other around Credence in the end is them both deciding to break it.