It's good to hear both sides of the story. It was a war where poor people from both sides fought on the ground over matters created by politicians. People who have been wronged will fight back, with any means necessary. Some of these soldiers acted like terrorists, brutally beat innocent people. Killed innocent people.
He's spot on about the brutality and the bullying. Some infantry barracks and garrison pubs were like lunatic asylums during the evenings and weekends. Mad drinking binges, random violence, and insane squaddie humour: Half Lord of the Flies, half Clockwork Orange. It really started changing in the late 90s.
The south Armagh brigade was not entirely loyal to the Belfast leadership. What is he talking about? They were known to carry out operations without the army council knowing or approving and did not work with Belfast leadership as they knew they were infiltrated.
The British set the whole trouble up that led 2 war..Dublin was fed up & know one joined the ira..the garda actually made their own ira..so they brought it up north..should never had been a war..al dead for nothing..never again wil the ira or any man join 2 fight for turn coat catholics.next time let them phone the cops
Would this guy understand why there was Uprising in Northern Ireland, when the Irish people were going battered of the streets by the RUC while there were demonstrating for equal rights, he should do an interview with Joe brolly, he'll educate you on what was really going on in Northern Ireland
My mother grew up in ballymurphy, she got caught in shooting between the army an either the IRA or uvf. She remembes the solider say "shoot the next thing that moves" she was between 8-10. My father grew up on the falls, he was walking home by himself and (his description) a para hit him with a gun, he was a young teenager. They remember it as clear as day 50 years on
A soldier hit me full wack with the butt of his gun on the crown of the head when I was six years old, standing outside a shop in Belfast minding my own business. My mother who was in the shop seen it and came out and give him a mouthful. Brave guys. They used to point their guns at us kids while patrolling the streets of west Belfast.
Exactly. And he dismisses testimony of witnesses who stated that victims were innocent because they were giving accounts 50 years later, The brits prevented any serious investigation of the Ballymurphy (and Springhill) massacres for decades, and he ignores the fact that the people had insisted all along - since the day their loved ones were callously massacred by his totally disgraced regiment - that the victims were innocent
Should have asked him about the role of the SAS counter revolutionary warfare wing, CRW and its operations in the south including Dublin. Operating cells, cross border kidnappings, assainations, target acquisition etc.
@@iceandale7621 SAS have shot innocent people in the Republic and this has been documented by the SAS members and the victim. They told the SAS unit they were ambushing a terrorist. When the SAS members found out they were sent to shoot a witness against illegal British military intelligence activies including murder, the sas was disgusted. The SAS man who shot the guy, walked into the hospital in full military uniform and visited the man he shot. You wouldn't believe the horrible things the British State did in Ireland both sides of the border. UVF and Provos were amateur terrorists compared to the Brits. There was an innocent man stood on a street corner an the army shot him 138 times.. Soldiers have shot rubber bullers into old grannies faces point blank, there's even a video of this. Soldiers would wack children with their guns. British propaganda was immense at the time , so most people in the UK have no idea how horrible their government was, cause if they knew there would've been riots from Lindisfarne to London
@@MikaelFlyerAdams wasn't there? 1 Para... The same soldiers who killed 14 innocent civilians on Bloody Sunday in Derry , killed 11 innocent civillians in Ballymurphy , Belfast. British government has apologized for Bloody Sunday (David Cameron) and the 2021 British coroner's report ruled that all the deaths were innocent civilians and "without justification".
He's elderly, that error, however, on consideration, does not invalidate his entire testimony. He is possibly confusing Sands with Martin Hurson (13 September 1956 - 13 July 1981) a Volunteer in the East Tyrone Brigade IRA. The sixth Irish Republican to die from starvation during the hunger strikes.
Was he not the MP elected? Maybe that is at least what he's referring to? The man is getting on a bit, he probably is affected by that in some way. Read his book the killing zone, detail is excellent.
Absolutely wonderful podcast and nice to see a civilised discussion on the troubles. I read Killing Zone years ago when it came out and was without doubt one of the most gripping books I’ve ever read, I will never forget the first lines in the book about his father who clearly was a disturbed man and what Harry went through and what he is today is a great lesson on perseverance against all odds to better yourself. The 60 year old Fijian he mentions at the end in Iraq ( MP5 on a bungee under his shirt) also did some great things at the Battle of Murbat in Oman for his brother in arms. Great podcast 👍
I would never pay any money or read his book of lies. You need to call him for what he is and that's a violent thug and murderer who is full of lies and he glorified killing which is disgusting. He's an awful bigot scumbag.
In the first part he says when they heard of the murder of the three "honey-traped" Scottish soldiers. His battalion was chomping at the bit to get over there and take on the IRA and the Catholic people who gave them support, then goes on to say that there was no massacre that the soldiers shot at people who shot at them, but as he describes the highly trained and disciplined paras, might have shot people who weren't armed or shooting back. He poo-poos the idea of 50 year old eye witness accounts yet is emphatic about his own 50 year old eyewitness account. And finally goes on to say aren't you lucky we're so disciplined otherwise we would have killed more of you. I understand that this podcast channel takes all view points and backgrounds, and that's why I like it. More of the same. But for a contributor with such a professional background and education, this man is wearing the biggest rose tinted glasses of all time. "you Irish are great at looking back" don't look back, but if you do I'll gaslight you into thinking we were great and only shot those who deserved it. Those who committed the crime of being outside their Ballymurphy houses when the shooting started"
The World knows the British had or has no Right in Ireland. This Soldier knows very little about Irish History, and the fact that he couldn't change the shoe on the other foot, regarding Colonialism, means he is also using Double Standards. Of course the Irish People were freedom fighter's as they are the Native People of the Land. No War is pretty. The British are the foreigners to Ireland. A Colonial Terrorist State, that replanted their British People in Three Counties of Nine Counties of Ulster. But took Six Counties for financial reasons, for this Artificial jurisdiction to work. Why did the British Security Services with all the Spies they had in Ireland, allow Canary wharf to happen, which resulted bringing the Westminster Government back to the Table?? Good Work so, from the SAS?
Harry McCallion was baptised a catholic in Glasgow, so hardly of orange stock. He later joined the Church of Scotland, the reformed church. He then went on to give up on organised religion, cannae blame him for that.
Bollocks he was , he used the term " outbreed us" would suggest otherwise , he's a clown who's still arguing they didn't commit massacres !!! They did WE WERE THERE ,we seen them do it !!! Weren't so brave at narrow water , they got their commuppance.
He's not telling the truth , " disciplined " 😂😂😂😂 wtf !!!! They weren't even disciplined on the shankill rd ,where they murdered LOYALISTS !!!!! ffs wise up .
Catholics had nothing against the protest put the protestants didn't want the Catholics to have anything if you applied for a job you had a state what religion you wear they could tell by the name that you're a Catholic so therefore you didn't get the job so why Catholics for demonstrating for equal rights the protestants could not accept this idea this was the start of the conflict
Costas Georgiou, akaTony Callen who he mentions of 1 Para support group was the bodyguard of Bde Frank Kitson, Callen was allegedly soldier G in bloody Sunday, who fired the most of the rounds. Later executed in Angola in 75 for war crimes. The question being, why did the most aggressive unit in 1 Para police a civil rights march ? I believe Kitsons operational objective was to start a civil war and draw the south in who could be militarily defeated and reoccupied. Remember this was only 50 years after independence.
Respectively. The "civil rights " movement that was the banner which this attack hide behind, didn't happen because of 1 para , it happened while 1 para was there serving .. Also your assuming that Dublin is a stand alone country that makes its own moves, Dublin was and is always ruled by London , make no mistake . And as you said "draw in the south " then the south's army where like cadets to the real soldiers .. I hear,what your saying but think your incorrect friend. Respect from a Protestant from the North who agrees that all men on the island of Ireland, now need to stand together against this current invasion ... Imagine that,
@@KeithWilliamMacHendry Maybe I should have said Irish catholics then. When you lump a whole demographic in as colluding with and giving sanctuary to the IRA. You can justify treating them anyway. The fact he dismisses coroners reports as "whatever i never saw it" says everything. He cant handle his narrative being challenged. Its a shame the interviewer never pushed back a little more.
The catholics our dirt mate..them shower our the only ones who got anything from the war..we didn't care about catholic prods.we just hated the British..hes full of bs with the catholics not wanting 2 be back part of the 26counties..alsorts travelling down 2 watch Ireland..but look at the loyalists North of Ireland.catholics played for them & stil do
My father was Irish, he moved away with my mother because of the violence, and never went back. He never talked about it, or saw the Irish side of his family again, and he didn't want them to visit us. I could see the pain it caused him, but he was always grateful that Britain gave him a job and a roof over his head. He also renounced his Catholic religion, and never stepped foot in a church or spoke to a priest again. He made sure we went to a none Catholic school and avoided Irish people socially. He was an educated man in a professional position, and I always wonder what made him that way.
@@liambeevor1696 Exactly. The root cause of the problem was the occupation of Ireland and the plantation of settlers. It was made much worse by partition in 1922 and the British just looked the other way while their unionist cousins ran the 6 county staelet in such a biased manner for 50 years, depriving the native Irish (Catholics) of jobs, proper housing and the basic right to ''one man one vote''. Whover coined the phrase "Ireland unfree shall never be at peace" was absolutely right.
@@francmilburn928 I would just like to see peace, there are some who want the Troubles happen all over again in the more remote areas of Eire. Will Ireland be ever independent? At the moment its just a suburb of Brussels but looking more like Pakistan every day. I'm nether pro British or Irish, but I am ashamed of my Irish heritage. Republicans have brought shame to Ireland..
@@chrisdonnelly3282loyalists.not al prods got involved..it was irish British for us.loyalists stil attacked rcs..sure it stil happened in the modern era holy cross premary school..they were kids
@Chop2016 I fully understand that. I was not trying to soil the protestant name in any way. However, when you go through what was happening back then in politics, it was awful.
Having lived through this era and knowing what was happening. How these cowards in military uniform drove through Catholic areas shooting innocent people. How a young boy of 17 went outside to fetch some coal for the fire and was shot 135 times.That mans interview is nothing but rubbish.
@Sean-sn9ld total fantasy. 135 times? The soldiers were tough because they needed to be, at the end the day they weren't dealing with girl guides. Better to blame the politicians than the soldiers themselves The republicans and loyalists committed far more atrocities against one another than the British army ever did. Imagine what would have happened if the British had stood aside and let a civil war ensue..
I respect that this is a different perspective and appreciate it's healthy to hear alternative views, and the north of Ireland is far too complex to accept or promote "black and white" reasoning. But to say on one hand that you prepared to fight a well trained and organised military outfit, and on the hand call them terrorists, rather than gorilla's, is the type of hypochracy that leads people to switch off from the "other side's" opinion. Great description of the difference between the two there John. There were civillian casulties on both sides, equally awful. But it was a war, as this man acknowledges in the same breath. None the less another great listen. Fair play to your great granda, he would be very proud of the content you're presenting and preserving on this channel. Slan go foill
One of best episodes yet, I liked there was a bit of combativeness and disagreement. Maybe he came across a bit sociopathic talking about killing but could be interpreted as being blunt getting to reality of being a trained killer.
@@seansavage2518he was actually born a Catholic so obviously has Irish parentage. Makes it even worse, like Eamonn Holmes going on GB news....but on steroids lol
To give him his due he is measured in some of his comments. The Catholic reaction to internment for example. But dismissing evidence beacuse the event happened years ago and insinuating those people are lying. Or at best confused doesn't hold water in the least. A traumatic event is usually seared into the memory. Also a lot of whataboutism. You might think we're bad but others would be have been much worse. Couldn't get much worse than Bloody Sunday and Ballymurphy! Although the British Govt. also bears responsibilty for deploying trained killers into a public order situation. Also his comments about how protestants were treated in the Irish Free State and Republic are nonsense. Although I've no doubt some Northern Irish Protestants have been taught that this is the case. Protestants living in the South have nothing have to fear. Indeed the rich landowning Protestant class still survive in the South. They weren't burned out unlike many Catholics in the North.
@@johnnypickles5256I would probably agree with the first guys statement and I am Scottish. I remember finding harry mccallions book in a library and reading parts of it. This guy was pretty much just a brainless psychopath who needed a career and the army indulged his desire to murder ppl. I highly doubt he had any idea why irish ppl hated the British in northern Ireland and he essentially just picked the British side as a career choice and an excuse to kill and get paid. Interesting that he was a catholic from Glasgow with Irish heritage yet ended up fighting against what would have been pretty much his own ppl. Only real excuse I can think of is that he was from a criminal background and his real dad wasn't around and his home life was pretty brutal. Thats fair enough but he's an old man now and should really know better than to be hiding behind the excuse that the Irish nationalists were the bad guys. His idea that the majority of northern Ireland wanted to be British is flawed as well. The British partitioned off the north and made sure there was a majority there in favour of remaining British. If the whole island was to vote as a single entity then a united Ireland would be the outcome. This guy's just doubling down and trying to justify the atrocities with pathetic excuses so he can feel better.
@@johnnypickles5256 ah yes blame the uninvolved irish civilian for the british war. You know all we asked for, as British Citizens, was the same rights in Derry and Belfast as people had in Birmingham and Liverpool? You know we welcomed the British Army with open arms until they started terrorizing, brutalizing and literally murdering us? You do also understand that everyone in Northern Ireland are British citizens? The government was terrorizing, torturing and murdering British Citizens. Loyalist were also murdering and bombings civilians before the Provos even existed, in a time when the Officials were entirely inactive.
@@johnnypickles5256 ah yes , the people speaking against bigotry and falsehoods in the pursuit of peace were the problem. Definitely had nothing to do with prejudiced people like you or anything
I spent a lot of time in Belfast in the 1990's. My ex- wife was from their. Her parents were protestant but lived in Malone (posh area) next door to Catholic/Nationalists. Brendan Hughes & other IRA senior officials had a house in Malone. No issues whatsoever. Most people were 'professionals' solicitors, accountants, architects, Queens Uni lecturers etc and they were educated enough to know that violence is no long term solution. Co-operation & acceptance was the future...Hopefully Five miles down the road on the Falls/Clonard/Shankhill area Protestant/Loyalists & Nationalist/Republicans were killing each other. I remember Gerry Adams driving round West Belfast waving the Tricolours when the Good Friday Agreement was signed. Why? The GFA retained the status quo. Northern Ireland remained part of the UK..It didn't become part of The Republic. Thirty years of death destruction & grief for what? As an Englishman I would add that the IRA was never defeated militarily (their guns are buried but not destroyed). They were defeated politically purely because of the so called 'Dirty War'...the number of informants inside both the Republican & Loyalist Paramilitaries meant that nearly every operation was compromised. You could argue that the Leadership 'sold out' and now as Sinn Fein welcome millions of migrants into the island of Ireland. Makes absolutely no 2:00:09 sense to me. Those good old Pro-EU Sinn Feiner's eh?
I am a Northern Ireland protestant and I agree, it is funny how republicans flew the Irish flags in the 1st ceasefire and the ultimately agreeing to the GFA. They seemed to bring the majority of nationalists and catholics with them to get to that stage. Harry makes some good points iv read his book. East Tyrone were decimated and would definitely have posed major problems for the peace process along with South Armagh units. However I still believe the peace would have come eventually as people were fed up. On the flip side, whilst the troubles are long over the GFA didn't deal with the root causes of conflict and for that reason I'm still fearful for the future or some future event that could still let the genie out of the bottle.
@@g9604Absolutely agree. I think the IRA were allowed to break into Castlereagh Police Station & steal personal files because once they knew how many informants were in the IRA & at what level (Scappatacci etc) they knew it was all over for them. After Partition in 1916 parts of NI were completely ignored by the Westminster Parliament. In Londonderry/Derry (Stroke City 😄) Catholics were the majority & Protestants about 35% but gerrymandering gave Protestants control. The housing conditions in the bogside where Nationalists lived were atrocious. Derry was where it all kicked off. RUC couldn't cope British Army sent in. Riots then spread to Belfast. Lower Falls/Shankhill in particular. Internment turned the Nationalist community against the British Army. Acted as a recruiting agent for Republicans. The rest as you know, much better than me, is history. As you know the Ulster Protestants lost more lives in WW1 than any other Regiment. Republicans colluded to some extent with Germany in both wars. Genuine grievances happened on both sides. One man's Terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The future? I sincerely hope that people can live together harmoniously BUT anyone who has been to Belfast & seen the 'peace walls' knows that the potential for trouble is still present. My opinion anyway.
@@g9604 for armed Republicanism yes, I believe there will be a United Ireland within the next 2 decades though. so better to have it with no more death. though I don't trust current Sinn Fein, ill vote to get them in then change my vote then
Dude literally just said: "if people are being oppressed they're right to tske up arms as freedom fighters..... But that wasnt the case in northern ireland" This guy is why british military has a bad name... What an absolute hypocrite of a fool
He also said that at the time the majority of people in Northern ireland wanted to remain as part of the UK and while that was the case he wasn't prepared to let the ira bomb and murder indiscriminately to force a united ireland , weather you like it or not the majority of people killed during the troubles were innocent civilians killed by the ira , if that is a freedom fighter to you then we disagree on the definition if a freedom fighter and a terrorist
@@Policestate41 Majority of people killed in the conflict were British Armed Forces. Majority of the civilians killed were murdered by the UVF. Unionism is a minority on Ireland. Always had been. The only reason Unionism HAD a majority was because of artificially created gerrymandered borders. Ulster has 9 counties , not 6. But if it was all of Ulster they still would've been a minority. Even during partition Fermanagh and Tyrone had and still have Nationalist majorities. Loyalists were burning houses down, shooting civilians , bombing pubs and inflicting other violence BEFORE the Provisional IRA even existed. Nationalist community was being horrifically oppressed by the state. He said oppressed people have the right the fight back.
Nope he's saying under the same circumstances the Israelis, americans , police ,army ,national guard , and the French would of killed a lot more civilians than the brits did and he's right ✅
Mr McCallion is correct, can anyone honestly say that the French, Franco's Spain, the US police & national guard would have been as restrained as the British? Really can they? Not a chance, the death toll would have been massive & that is just an incontrovertible fact that is just ignored. During the whole conflict Irish nationalists/republicans were moving to work in the island of Britain in the tens of thousands. That just does not happen in what is termed a war. If Scots like me ( I am a Scottish nationalist) were in a conflict with England, no way, not a chance would we be moving to England in huge numbers to work, we just would not & for clearly obvious reasons.We have no massive communities to shelter in, with the exception perhaps, of Corby in Northampton..
The British were more cunning in that they used proxy forces. Just as culpable killing civilians no matter how often he tried to veer on to the other countries militaries.
The main difference was the quality, mature age and experience of British NCOs. They kept a tight grip of their young soldiers - at least compared to their foreign counterparts. There was a lot of low level brutality, but it was street justice and soldiers asserting control rather than extreme violence.
@@kevinbarry1888 You mean the British state is more cunning, not the British people collectively Kevin? For sure that is very true, however, he is 100% correct, the dead would have been far higher if the aforementioned countries were in control, no question about it. That is why Irish people felt totally comfortable moving to Britain to work & live. By the way Kevin, that's some date of birth you have 1888 🤪 Come on the Gers! 😉
@@KeithWilliamMacHendry of course, the State, which made it more chilling. There is also the factor why the numbers weren't higher because that we are neighbours & the fall out/bad optics that would have happened if more civilians were killed - as we all know now, they were more discreet in their murders. People in Dublin didn't burn down the British embassy for no reason. Plus, they couldn't depict Irish people in the North as savages the same way the British media did when they were doing the same thing in the Middle East & Africa. It's not as black & white as he likes to depict it. Anyway, which version of Rangers will show up today? 😃
@@simoncurrie5520 it is not the province of Ulster it is the 6 of 9 counties of Ulster. It also os not Londonderry, it is Derry after the Irish work for oak grove Doire.
@@simoncurrie5520northern Ireland is derogatory to me but I’m open to all peoples views. This beautiful island has always been open to other cultures and beliefs. Slàinte
There is something I find very likeable about this guy by the way he puts aside the macho cr@p by admitting to being affected by being bullied and of being "terrified" during a riot. Nothing p1sses me off more than listening to ex-soldiers who try (and fail) to give the impression that they are fearless super-humans.
Seriously you think he's likable omg a lot of what he said was him glorifying killing and blaming victims for been murdered by the brits. He's full of shit and lies. He's should definitely no make money from a book ds he sounds like a psychopath He's an awful excuse for a human
I may have commented a bit early into this... Really great to hear two grown men agree that they may never agree, but to both come away with respect for each other. It's definitely lacking in this day and age. Great listen as ever! I will leave my earlier comment up, for nothin else other than we can all jump the gun (no pun) when emotions are involved. Thank God the north is a different world now, for everyone concerned
Ireland will be free one day The british have already lost 26 counties taken back off them The british soldiers killed trying to keep it under a temporary british occupation will have died for nothing This scotish person should be fighting for Scottish freedom rather than being a serf to a foreign queen
Great interview, and he's telling his truth. He talks about how Protestant people were treated in the Free State, but what about how nationalists were treated in their own country in the North? Harry has bought into the British narrative of turning it into a sectarian conflict when it's really about national identity. Ireland has only been divided for just over 100 years; it was one country for the rest of its history. Britain did what it does best: turning locals against each other and then walking away. Britain wasn’t even a country before the vast majority of loyalists were planted in Ireland! They sectioned off a small part of the country, and he talks about protecting the rights of the majority! In relation to the Ballymurphy incident, he says they had 50 years to get their story straight but so have soldiers !!According to him, all the ones killed at Ballymurphy were killed by accident!
@@francmilburn928no British soldier or loyalist could ever match the bravery of bobby sands loyalist had no problem taking what Bobby and his comrades fought and died for..and as for the British army their yellowness and lack off bravery is renowned they built bridges for the Japanese after surrendering in the 2nd world war..never won a battle if it wasn't for the Russians everybody would be speaking German your british war heros laughable your army is good at killing civilians and thats all.bobby sands a true irish patriot...
As an ex soldier a never heard this mince about a soldier who wanted to kill anyone... A mix with a charity near Glasgow and the banter is awesome but a done p company and met a few regt guys and they never boast about killing anyone he might be a decent bloke but this makes me wonder yes he's right about bullying that's normal it makes u a man but he seams he's boasting that disturbs me if he has an issue with ma comment give him ma details and a will talk to him to his his face
I hope you can speak better than you can write. Unless you’ve lost both your hands in a terrible accident and wrote that post with your feet. If that is the case I apologise 🤣
Wish he would tell the true story of the sniper team been caught .as the sniper team on hand to hand fighting got the better of the sas team ,only for reinforcements landing .
@@ianc1001 The audio book is narrated by David McCallion and what a narration. He fleshes out the main character with a sly wit. it is funny and gripping all at the same time and I have listened to it several times. It is that good. Blows anything Ant Middleton has done. Although I enjoy his audio books too. Killing Zone is on another level.
how was he going to get the other sides opinion, I don't think they were going to invite him round for tea, as he said he was there to kill the enemy not to find out the opinion of republicans, he has to be one sided to be effective same as his enemy would be the same
@@paddypooheadBecause the Ballymurphy massacre was Paratroopers shooting priests men women and children for absolutely no reason other than bloodlust.. and this man in the podcast blames the innocent victims simply for being in their homes.
Trained soldiers apparently fired on gunmen and when it was all over they missed all them and killed 10 innocent civilians what a lot of shite this man is talking
@@gruunt4064 That's not what I said though is it. Don't put words in my mouth. The man describes British state terrorism as "mistakes" and refuses to call them terrorists while simulatenously referring to the PIRA as terrorists, they either both are or neither are. He also says that if an oppressed people rise up to fight an oppressive state then it isn't terrorism, he is literally describing Northern Ireland pre-Troubles so by his definition the PIRA were not terrorists.
This guys version of the paras and sas in Ireland and NI history in general is so biased it’s laughably ridiculous he shows himself to be completely ignorant and incapable of understanding one side of the war
If you can remember the young soldier who went awal after the briefing before Bloody Sunday. Just goes to show that the soldiers were instructed to kill as many Catholics as possible.
Ha Ha Bobby Sands is from Tyrone , British intelligence at its finest , he’s from Twinbrook Belfast , you’d think he’d get his facts right before bleating on about The Troubles 🇮🇪☘️
I grew up in the Uk through the troubles,Ill never forget the bombings in Belfast which was an active War zone, the capacity of Irish terrorists to kill innocent people, especially civilians and their fellow Irish countrymen knew no boundaries and also British Servicemen there protecting the law-abiding Irish who I'm sure wanted no part in people throwing petrol bombs at them and taking pot shots at them. Over 1400 servicemen lost their lives there along with 319 RUC officers and Im confident that many came back to the mainland suffering from PTSD not to mention the veterans that now face court hearings on their alleged activities over 40years ago,For all those guys and their families they paid the ultimate price some still are for the peace that now is enjoyed by people of Northern Ireland,I think both the SAS and INTEL 14 played a pivotal role in forcing the IRA to the negotiating table and the fragile peace that followed,No disrespect but the Interviewer is to young to remember the troubles and asking Harry how many people he took out of the game is one place I would never visit,There is no Romance in War John only victims and the on going grief of their families...................And To Harry thank you for you're service there my man and the countless lives you and you're comrades saved,
Should you not of asked him about the black and tans . Aiso he keeps on talking about the democratly route in northern Ireland , when the Protestants were getting 5 votes to ,1 catholic
He wasn't alive when Black and Tans were around. If you bothered to listen, he was talking about his own experiences. And while we are on the subject.. the Pro and Anti Treaty IRA engaged in horrific civil war in Eire in early 1920's.. IRA on IRA
He only didn't want to talk about the things that he new the brits were proven to be in the wrong like everything the brits did were wrong as they were the ones in our country of Ireland. Everything else he talked about was all balix lies. Oh and he was glorifying killing and murder a lot what a sick bastard he is.
@@chrisdonnelly3282 100%. Remember not so long ago Channell 4 wanted to do a comedy about the Famine, which was cancelled, & a lot of folk on social media didn't realise what happened. Imagine it's WW1, 2 & how the Empire brought democracy to the rest of the world.
If the brits thought the real history in there schools and not bullshit then the kids would all be ashamed to be from there because od all the millions they have killed around the world. The brit legacy is drenched in innocents blood it's truly disgusting.
You mean Protestants, right? Plenty of Protestants in the Republic still to this day and they live just fine. Always were free to practice their religion
The prods in the south never had a problem because us catholics are good people and we would never treat them how they treated the catholics in the north.
@@sean5260 exactly, there's Protestant communities and churches in pretty much every town and city in the Republic and never heard of prods being persecuted once
Grew up in the North during all that auld shite...our parents sheltered us from the worst of it even though we knew it was going on. The trouble was mostly confined to the city be it Derry or Belfast. Recently watched Harry's Game on RUclips but this Harry McCallion's backstory is next level.
North of Ireland soon to be a united ireland 🇮🇪 we are now the majority in the north and ur unionist days are over and never coming bk lol. Well just look at the people u unionists have representing you these days lol with ball roots like Donaldson and bryson hahaha what a joke
'you have to do Junior Brecon and Senior Brecon'. He describes basic, or part one, training. He is wrong. Both are infantry career courses, which must be passed by those who want promotion to Corporal and Sergeant.
He probably meant basic Wales and advanced Wales.Two field exercises which had to be passed during depot in his time and were caried out on the Brecon training area.
@@iceandale7621 Straight in with the name calling eh? Well for your information, the Depot Para basic training exercises are 'Basic Wales' and 'Advanced Wales', quiet down crow.
Boils my blood the way people in britain say northern ireland so embroiled in the past wars and living in the past. .. They been to london ? Ancient marches up and down Buckingham palace sulating ancient heroes royals still dressing like it 1066 jesus
@@markdavidson9743 Nah just watch the Celts walk all over Rangers, Champions again ole ole, champions again champions again champions again ole ole 😜🤪😜🇮🇪☘🇮🇪
@@sayitasitis100and then get humiliated in champions league next season absolute shambles but you stick to your micky mouse league SPL is english league 1 standard at best , celtic and rangers would struggle to get out of the championship
Another detail that Irish nationalists overlook are the Protestants killed by the army , six in east Belfast alone , no, inquiries or protests for these boys, one of whom was 15 , no whining either , British people have dignity.
That was the worst interview u have done. This bloke had nit a fucking clue on somethings. Bobby sands he said was fron east tyrone. He was from twinbrook belfast. U never ask him about bloody sunday either. Get him back on and do a debate with a x ira man that would b good
John is just the most decent interviewer, absolutely excellent & professional.
It's good to hear both sides of the story. It was a war where poor people from both sides fought on the ground over matters created by politicians. People who have been wronged will fight back, with any means necessary. Some of these soldiers acted like terrorists, brutally beat innocent people. Killed innocent people.
Some of the IRA were no different, and even worse.
Violence will beget violence when it's on this kind of scale.
He's spot on about the brutality and the bullying. Some infantry barracks and garrison pubs were like lunatic asylums during the evenings and weekends. Mad drinking binges, random violence, and insane squaddie humour: Half Lord of the Flies, half Clockwork Orange. It really started changing in the late 90s.
Catterick and Brecon in the late 90,s was mad as fuck
All part of becoming a Man!
Aye, unfortunately, these are the men that are at their best in battle, in all armies AM.
Brilliant Podcast. Have read 2 of his books and agree with him. Dialogue is the only solution.
The south Armagh brigade was not entirely loyal to the Belfast leadership. What is he talking about? They were known to carry out operations without the army council knowing or approving and did not work with Belfast leadership as they knew they were infiltrated.
The British set the whole trouble up that led 2 war..Dublin was fed up & know one joined the ira..the garda actually made their own ira..so they brought it up north..should never had been a war..al dead for nothing..never again wil the ira or any man join 2 fight for turn coat catholics.next time let them phone the cops
@@Chop2016 this isn’t English
@@seanbrennan4356 what
Sab once described as an independent republic
@@Chop2016how original blaming the brits lol.
Would this guy understand why there was Uprising in Northern Ireland, when the Irish people were going battered of the streets by the RUC while there were demonstrating for equal rights, he should do an interview with Joe brolly, he'll educate you on what was really going on in Northern Ireland
My mother grew up in ballymurphy, she got caught in shooting between the army an either the IRA or uvf. She remembes the solider say "shoot the next thing that moves" she was between 8-10. My father grew up on the falls, he was walking home by himself and (his description) a para hit him with a gun, he was a young teenager. They remember it as clear as day 50 years on
A soldier hit me full wack with the butt of his gun on the crown of the head when I was six years old, standing outside a shop in Belfast minding my own business. My mother who was in the shop seen it and came out and give him a mouthful. Brave guys. They used to point their guns at us kids while patrolling the streets of west Belfast.
@@shamrockballs1066 this did seem to go on a lot! An people wonder why these generations had so much resentment towards the British state x
@@caseysclub452 "collective madness" according to the moron being interviewed
@shamrockballs1066 cowardice of the highest order.
Find it hard to believe anything that comes out of his mouth after his dismissal of ballymurphy.
Exactly. And he dismisses testimony of witnesses who stated that victims were innocent because they were giving accounts 50 years later, The brits prevented any serious investigation of the Ballymurphy (and Springhill) massacres for decades, and he ignores the fact that the people had insisted all along - since the day their loved ones were callously massacred by his totally disgraced regiment - that the victims were innocent
He’s a coward and afraid to face or speak the truth
Yeah he was absolutely disgusting when facing the facts , the host was fantastic though , was a really good podcast
Should have asked him about the role of the SAS counter revolutionary warfare wing, CRW and its operations in the south including Dublin. Operating cells, cross border kidnappings, assainations, target acquisition etc.
CRW is a hostage rescue wing and train for that along with CTSFO today! 🙄
@@iceandale7621 SAS have shot innocent people in the Republic and this has been documented by the SAS members and the victim. They told the SAS unit they were ambushing a terrorist. When the SAS members found out they were sent to shoot a witness against illegal British military intelligence activies including murder, the sas was disgusted.
The SAS man who shot the guy, walked into the hospital in full military uniform and visited the man he shot.
You wouldn't believe the horrible things the British State did in Ireland both sides of the border. UVF and Provos were amateur terrorists compared to the Brits.
There was an innocent man stood on a street corner an the army shot him 138 times..
Soldiers have shot rubber bullers into old grannies faces point blank, there's even a video of this.
Soldiers would wack children with their guns.
British propaganda was immense at the time , so most people in the UK have no idea how horrible their government was, cause if they knew there would've been riots from Lindisfarne to London
Blaming the victims of Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday for being there.... Classy man 🙄
Ballymurphy remains surrounded with controversy. Only Adams knows what happened.
@@MikaelFlyerAdams wasn't there? 1 Para... The same soldiers who killed 14 innocent civilians on Bloody Sunday in Derry , killed 11 innocent civillians in Ballymurphy , Belfast.
British government has apologized for Bloody Sunday (David Cameron) and the 2021 British coroner's report ruled that all the deaths were innocent civilians and "without justification".
He's disgusting
@@Sean-sn9ldwere they sent back to the firing range .Ten targets and ten misses that's bad
Also why does he not go into detail about bloody Sunday?
Bobby Sands was NOT from Tyrone.Absolute bullshit
But he was let die by Adams and crew... Because he was too intelligent and had he lived the war would have ended different
He's elderly, that error, however, on consideration, does not invalidate his entire testimony. He is possibly confusing Sands with Martin Hurson (13 September 1956 - 13 July 1981) a Volunteer in the East Tyrone Brigade IRA. The sixth Irish Republican to die from starvation during the hunger strikes.
Was he not the MP elected? Maybe that is at least what he's referring to? The man is getting on a bit, he probably is affected by that in some way. Read his book the killing zone, detail is excellent.
Bobby was born in rathcoole, Ireland
He’s mixed it up due to Sands being MP for Fermanagh South Tyrone
Absolutely wonderful podcast and nice to see a civilised discussion on the troubles. I read Killing Zone years ago when it came out and was without doubt one of the most gripping books I’ve ever read, I will never forget the first lines in the book about his father who clearly was a disturbed man and what Harry went through and what he is today is a great lesson on perseverance against all odds to better yourself. The 60 year old Fijian he mentions at the end in Iraq ( MP5 on a bungee under his shirt) also did some great things at the Battle of Murbat in Oman for his brother in arms. Great podcast 👍
I would never pay any money or read his book of lies. You need to call him for what he is and that's a violent thug and murderer who is full of lies and he glorified killing which is disgusting. He's an awful bigot scumbag.
In the first part he says when they heard of the murder of the three "honey-traped" Scottish soldiers. His battalion was chomping at the bit to get over there and take on the IRA and the Catholic people who gave them support, then goes on to say that there was no massacre that the soldiers shot at people who shot at them, but as he describes the highly trained and disciplined paras, might have shot people who weren't armed or shooting back. He poo-poos the idea of 50 year old eye witness accounts yet is emphatic about his own 50 year old eyewitness account. And finally goes on to say aren't you lucky we're so disciplined otherwise we would have killed more of you. I understand that this podcast channel takes all view points and backgrounds, and that's why I like it. More of the same. But for a contributor with such a professional background and education, this man is wearing the biggest rose tinted glasses of all time. "you Irish are great at looking back" don't look back, but if you do I'll gaslight you into thinking we were great and only shot those who deserved it. Those who committed the crime of being outside their Ballymurphy houses when the shooting started"
Well said … at certain points his arrogance & one sidedness is staggering
A fantastic and unbiased account from someone who walked it and talked it, not some internet buffoon disputing his truths from a piss stained sofa
Remember the song 🎵 Don't look back you just might see me cry 😢 🎵🙏
Exactly, he’s all over the place in every facet of the conversation
@@WalterWhite-zs1zngo clean your sofa dude
The World knows the British had or has no Right in Ireland.
This Soldier knows very little about Irish History, and the fact that he couldn't change the shoe on the other foot, regarding Colonialism, means he is also using Double Standards.
Of course the Irish People were freedom fighter's as they are the Native People of the Land.
No War is pretty.
The British are the foreigners to Ireland. A Colonial Terrorist State, that replanted their British People in Three Counties of Nine Counties of Ulster.
But took Six Counties for financial reasons, for this Artificial jurisdiction to work.
Why did the British Security Services with all the Spies they had in Ireland, allow Canary wharf to happen, which resulted bringing the Westminster Government back to the Table??
Good Work so, from the SAS?
This man is a walking contradiction
Harry McCallion was baptised a catholic in Glasgow, so hardly of orange stock. He later joined the Church of Scotland, the reformed church. He then went on to give up on organised religion, cannae blame him for that.
Bollocks he was , he used the term " outbreed us" would suggest otherwise , he's a clown who's still arguing they didn't commit massacres !!! They did WE WERE THERE ,we seen them do it !!! Weren't so brave at narrow water , they got their commuppance.
He's not telling the truth , " disciplined " 😂😂😂😂 wtf !!!! They weren't even disciplined on the shankill rd ,where they murdered LOYALISTS !!!!! ffs wise up .
He will go to hell just the same.
Catholics had nothing against the protest put the protestants didn't want the Catholics to have anything if you applied for a job you had a state what religion you wear they could tell by the name that you're a Catholic so therefore you didn't get the job so why Catholics for demonstrating for equal rights the protestants could not accept this idea this was the start of the conflict
Costas Georgiou, akaTony Callen who he mentions of 1 Para support group was the bodyguard of Bde Frank Kitson, Callen was allegedly soldier G in bloody Sunday, who fired the most of the rounds. Later executed in Angola in 75 for war crimes. The question being, why did the most aggressive unit in 1 Para police a civil rights march ? I believe Kitsons operational objective was to start a civil war and draw the south in who could be militarily defeated and reoccupied. Remember this was only 50 years after independence.
Respectively.
The "civil rights " movement that was the banner which this attack hide behind, didn't happen
because of 1 para , it happened while 1 para was there serving ..
Also your assuming that Dublin is a stand alone country that makes its own moves, Dublin was and is always ruled by London , make no mistake .
And as you said "draw in the south " then the south's army where like cadets to the real soldiers ..
I hear,what your saying but think your incorrect friend.
Respect from a Protestant from the North who agrees that all men on the island of Ireland, now need to stand together against this current invasion ...
Imagine that,
Why would we want to re ocuppy the South? The North is burden enough. Colonialism is dead
You can tell he was brought up in the west of Scotland. His contempt for the catholic people is astonishing.
He is Catholic.
Sean, he was brought up a catholic.
@@KeithWilliamMacHendry brilliant …😂😂😂😂
@@KeithWilliamMacHendry Maybe I should have said Irish catholics then. When you lump a whole demographic in as colluding with and giving sanctuary to the IRA. You can justify treating them anyway. The fact he dismisses coroners reports as "whatever i never saw it" says everything. He cant handle his narrative being challenged. Its a shame the interviewer never pushed back a little more.
The catholics our dirt mate..them shower our the only ones who got anything from the war..we didn't care about catholic prods.we just hated the British..hes full of bs with the catholics not wanting 2 be back part of the 26counties..alsorts travelling down 2 watch Ireland..but look at the loyalists North of Ireland.catholics played for them & stil do
My father was Irish, he moved away with my mother because of the violence, and never went back. He never talked about it, or saw the Irish side of his family again, and he didn't want them to visit us. I could see the pain it caused him, but he was always grateful that Britain gave him a job and a roof over his head. He also renounced his Catholic religion, and never stepped foot in a church or spoke to a priest again. He made sure we went to a none Catholic school and avoided Irish people socially. He was an educated man in a professional position, and I always wonder what made him that way.
It’s overestimated how much this was a religious conflict over a national war of liberation.
@@liambeevor1696 Exactly. The root cause of the problem was the occupation of Ireland and the plantation of settlers. It was made much worse by partition in 1922 and the British just looked the other way while their unionist cousins ran the 6 county staelet in such a biased manner for 50 years, depriving the native Irish (Catholics) of jobs, proper housing and the basic right to ''one man one vote''. Whover coined the phrase "Ireland unfree shall never be at peace" was absolutely right.
Made worse by partition.. so you don't want an independent Eire... Sigh..
@@francmilburn928 I just want peace, I don't care what the outcome is. Will Ireland be ever independent again? It's now a suburb of Brussels.
@@francmilburn928 I would just like to see peace, there are some who want the Troubles happen all over again in the more remote areas of Eire. Will Ireland be ever independent? At the moment its just a suburb of Brussels but looking more like Pakistan every day. I'm nether pro British or Irish, but I am ashamed of my Irish heritage. Republicans have brought shame to Ireland..
Armoured cars and tanks and guns came to take away our sons.....but everyone must stand behind the men behind the wire 🇮🇪
Why are people still using the Tory psyops 'Catholic vs Protestant' regarding Northern Ireland, it was Irish vs British.
No it was SFIRA vs everyone.
It was protestant turned against Catholic with the blessing of the Ulster unionists and the British government.
@@chrisdonnelly3282loyalists.not al prods got involved..it was irish British for us.loyalists stil attacked rcs..sure it stil happened in the modern era holy cross premary school..they were kids
@Chop2016 I fully understand that. I was not trying to soil the protestant name in any way. However, when you go through what was happening back then in politics, it was awful.
@@chrisdonnelly3282 agree 100% with you
Having lived through this era and knowing what was happening. How these cowards in military uniform drove through Catholic areas shooting innocent people. How a young boy of 17 went outside to fetch some coal for the fire and was shot 135 times.That mans interview is nothing but rubbish.
Yeah I think this has to be the worst episode on this channel..
Absolute hypocrisy from the SAS man
135 times ?
@@johnnypickles5256 yep, British military did some *horrible* shit in Ireland
@Sean-sn9ld total fantasy. 135 times?
The soldiers were tough because they needed to be, at the end the day they weren't dealing with girl guides. Better to blame the politicians than the soldiers themselves
The republicans and loyalists committed far more atrocities against one another than the British army ever did.
Imagine what would have happened if the British had stood aside and let a civil war ensue..
@@Sean-sn9ld the IRA did some horrible shit in England, no one's squeaky clean here.
I respect that this is a different perspective and appreciate it's healthy to hear alternative views, and the north of Ireland is far too complex to accept or promote "black and white" reasoning. But to say on one hand that you prepared to fight a well trained and organised military outfit, and on the hand call them terrorists, rather than gorilla's, is the type of hypochracy that leads people to switch off from the "other side's" opinion. Great description of the difference between the two there John. There were civillian casulties on both sides, equally awful. But it was a war, as this man acknowledges in the same breath. None the less another great listen. Fair play to your great granda, he would be very proud of the content you're presenting and preserving on this channel. Slan go foill
One of best episodes yet, I liked there was a bit of combativeness and disagreement. Maybe he came across a bit sociopathic talking about killing but could be interpreted as being blunt getting to reality of being a trained killer.
Hes a west of scotland protestant. His contempt for catholics is palpable.
He was a killer from no age mate..its so easy 2 kill someone.scotland is a sectarian shit hole full of killers..until the English then they bolt
@@seansavage2518he was actually born a Catholic so obviously has Irish parentage. Makes it even worse, like Eamonn Holmes going on GB news....but on steroids lol
To give him his due he is measured in some of his comments. The Catholic reaction to internment for example.
But dismissing evidence beacuse the event happened years ago and insinuating those people are lying. Or at best confused doesn't hold water in the least. A traumatic event is usually seared into the memory.
Also a lot of whataboutism. You might think we're bad but others would be have been much worse. Couldn't get much worse than Bloody Sunday and Ballymurphy! Although the British Govt. also bears responsibilty for deploying trained killers into a public order situation.
Also his comments about how protestants were treated in the Irish Free State and Republic are nonsense. Although I've no doubt some Northern Irish Protestants have been taught that this is the case.
Protestants living in the South have nothing have to fear. Indeed the rich landowning Protestant class still survive in the South. They weren't burned out unlike many Catholics in the North.
100% m8
Aldershot was like a battleground in the 80s.
He's wrong about Ballymurphy
Its dangerous when someone speaks like an expert on subjects they know nothing about.
Its people like this guy why the war went on for 30 years
I'd say it was due to people like you that it went on for so long
@@johnnypickles5256I would probably agree with the first guys statement and I am Scottish. I remember finding harry mccallions book in a library and reading parts of it. This guy was pretty much just a brainless psychopath who needed a career and the army indulged his desire to murder ppl. I highly doubt he had any idea why irish ppl hated the British in northern Ireland and he essentially just picked the British side as a career choice and an excuse to kill and get paid. Interesting that he was a catholic from Glasgow with Irish heritage yet ended up fighting against what would have been pretty much his own ppl. Only real excuse I can think of is that he was from a criminal background and his real dad wasn't around and his home life was pretty brutal. Thats fair enough but he's an old man now and should really know better than to be hiding behind the excuse that the Irish nationalists were the bad guys. His idea that the majority of northern Ireland wanted to be British is flawed as well. The British partitioned off the north and made sure there was a majority there in favour of remaining British. If the whole island was to vote as a single entity then a united Ireland would be the outcome. This guy's just doubling down and trying to justify the atrocities with pathetic excuses so he can feel better.
@@johnnypickles5256 ah yes blame the uninvolved irish civilian for the british war.
You know all we asked for, as British Citizens, was the same rights in Derry and Belfast as people had in Birmingham and Liverpool?
You know we welcomed the British Army with open arms until they started terrorizing, brutalizing and literally murdering us?
You do also understand that everyone in Northern Ireland are British citizens? The government was terrorizing, torturing and murdering British Citizens.
Loyalist were also murdering and bombings civilians before the Provos even existed, in a time when the Officials were entirely inactive.
@@johnnypickles5256 ah yes , the people speaking against bigotry and falsehoods in the pursuit of peace were the problem.
Definitely had nothing to do with prejudiced people like you or anything
@@Sean-sn9ld never saw it going both ways did you ?
I spent a lot of time in Belfast in the 1990's. My ex- wife was from their. Her parents were protestant but lived in Malone (posh area) next door to Catholic/Nationalists.
Brendan Hughes & other IRA senior officials had a house in Malone.
No issues whatsoever. Most people were 'professionals' solicitors, accountants, architects, Queens Uni lecturers etc and they were educated enough to know that violence is no long term solution. Co-operation & acceptance was the future...Hopefully
Five miles down the road on the Falls/Clonard/Shankhill area Protestant/Loyalists & Nationalist/Republicans were killing each other.
I remember Gerry Adams driving round West Belfast waving the Tricolours when the Good Friday Agreement was signed.
Why?
The GFA retained the status quo. Northern Ireland remained part of the UK..It didn't become part of The Republic.
Thirty years of death destruction & grief for what?
As an Englishman I would add that the IRA was never defeated militarily (their guns are buried but not destroyed). They were defeated politically purely because of the so called 'Dirty War'...the number of informants inside both the Republican & Loyalist Paramilitaries meant that nearly every operation was compromised.
You could argue that the Leadership 'sold out' and now as Sinn Fein welcome millions of migrants into the island of Ireland.
Makes absolutely no 2:00:09 sense to me. Those good old Pro-EU Sinn Feiner's eh?
I am a Northern Ireland protestant and I agree, it is funny how republicans flew the Irish flags in the 1st ceasefire and the ultimately agreeing to the GFA. They seemed to bring the majority of nationalists and catholics with them to get to that stage. Harry makes some good points iv read his book. East Tyrone were decimated and would definitely have posed major problems for the peace process along with South Armagh units. However I still believe the peace would have come eventually as people were fed up. On the flip side, whilst the troubles are long over the GFA didn't deal with the root causes of conflict and for that reason I'm still fearful for the future or some future event that could still let the genie out of the bottle.
@@g9604Absolutely agree. I think the IRA were allowed to break into Castlereagh Police Station & steal personal files because once they knew how many informants were in the IRA & at what level (Scappatacci etc) they knew it was all over for them.
After Partition in 1916 parts of NI were completely ignored by the Westminster Parliament. In Londonderry/Derry (Stroke City 😄) Catholics were the majority & Protestants about 35% but gerrymandering gave Protestants control. The housing conditions in the bogside where Nationalists lived were atrocious. Derry was where it all kicked off. RUC couldn't cope British Army sent in. Riots then spread to Belfast. Lower Falls/Shankhill in particular.
Internment turned the Nationalist community against the British Army. Acted as a recruiting agent for Republicans. The rest as you know, much better than me, is history.
As you know the Ulster Protestants lost more lives in WW1 than any other Regiment. Republicans colluded to some extent with Germany in both wars.
Genuine grievances happened on both sides. One man's Terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
The future? I sincerely hope that people can live together harmoniously BUT anyone who has been to Belfast & seen the 'peace walls' knows that the potential for trouble is still present.
My opinion anyway.
Brendan hughes only lived there in the 70s whilst on the run , he died in poverty in the divis flats as he didn't agree with SF turning coat
@oranbhoy67 Do you believe with Sinn Fein signing up to the Mitchell principles and the GFA that it put the nail in the coffin for Republicanism?
@@g9604 for armed Republicanism yes, I believe there will be a United Ireland within the next 2 decades though. so better to have it with no more death. though I don't trust current Sinn Fein, ill vote to get them in then change my vote then
Dude literally just said: "if people are being oppressed they're right to tske up arms as freedom fighters..... But that wasnt the case in northern ireland"
This guy is why british military has a bad name... What an absolute hypocrite of a fool
He also said that at the time the majority of people in Northern ireland wanted to remain as part of the UK and while that was the case he wasn't prepared to let the ira bomb and murder indiscriminately to force a united ireland , weather you like it or not the majority of people killed during the troubles were innocent civilians killed by the ira , if that is a freedom fighter to you then we disagree on the definition if a freedom fighter and a terrorist
@@Policestate41 Majority of people killed in the conflict were British Armed Forces.
Majority of the civilians killed were murdered by the UVF.
Unionism is a minority on Ireland. Always had been.
The only reason Unionism HAD a majority was because of artificially created gerrymandered borders.
Ulster has 9 counties , not 6. But if it was all of Ulster they still would've been a minority. Even during partition Fermanagh and Tyrone had and still have Nationalist majorities.
Loyalists were burning houses down, shooting civilians , bombing pubs and inflicting other violence BEFORE the Provisional IRA even existed.
Nationalist community was being horrifically oppressed by the state. He said oppressed people have the right the fight back.
Saying they weren't as bad as the Israelis... Is like saying you're a good person cause you're not Ted Bundy.
Nope he's saying under the same circumstances the Israelis, americans , police ,army ,national guard , and the French would of killed a lot more civilians than the brits did and he's right ✅
@@Policestate41 the brits just used proxies instead. UVF killed alot more civilians than PIRA
@@Policestate41saying you're not as evil as someone as else doesn't make you good 😂 c'mon now
Mr McCallion is correct, can anyone honestly say that the French, Franco's Spain, the US police & national guard would have been as restrained as the British? Really can they? Not a chance, the death toll would have been massive & that is just an incontrovertible fact that is just ignored. During the whole conflict Irish nationalists/republicans were moving to work in the island of Britain in the tens of thousands. That just does not happen in what is termed a war. If Scots like me ( I am a Scottish nationalist) were in a conflict with England, no way, not a chance would we be moving to England in huge numbers to work, we just would not & for clearly obvious reasons.We have no massive communities to shelter in, with the exception perhaps, of Corby in Northampton..
The British were more cunning in that they used proxy forces. Just as culpable killing civilians no matter how often he tried to veer on to the other countries militaries.
The main difference was the quality, mature age and experience of British NCOs. They kept a tight grip of their young soldiers - at least compared to their foreign counterparts. There was a lot of low level brutality, but it was street justice and soldiers asserting control rather than extreme violence.
@@kevinbarry1888 You mean the British state is more cunning, not the British people collectively Kevin? For sure that is very true, however, he is 100% correct, the dead would have been far higher if the aforementioned countries were in control, no question about it. That is why Irish people felt totally comfortable moving to Britain to work & live.
By the way Kevin, that's some date of birth you have 1888 🤪 Come on the Gers! 😉
In Franco’s Spain, it wasn’t allowed to get that far. People just vanished.
@@KeithWilliamMacHendry of course, the State, which made it more chilling. There is also the factor why the numbers weren't higher because that we are neighbours & the fall out/bad optics that would have happened if more civilians were killed - as we all know now, they were more discreet in their murders. People in Dublin didn't burn down the British embassy for no reason. Plus, they couldn't depict Irish people in the North as savages the same way the British media did when they were doing the same thing in the Middle East & Africa. It's not as black & white as he likes to depict it.
Anyway, which version of Rangers will show up today? 😃
Still called northern Ireland not the north
Still called the ‘6 Counties’
@@CathalOGradaigh agreed province ulster all acceptable I just think the North sounds derogatory
@@simoncurrie5520 it is not the province of Ulster it is the 6 of 9 counties of Ulster. It also os not Londonderry, it is Derry after the Irish work for oak grove Doire.
Glad you've got that off your chest. I couldn't care less. Northern Ireland is just fine.
@@simoncurrie5520northern Ireland is derogatory to me but I’m open to all peoples views. This beautiful island has always been open to other cultures and beliefs. Slàinte
There is something I find very likeable about this guy by the way he puts aside the macho cr@p by admitting to being affected by being bullied and of being "terrified" during a riot. Nothing p1sses me off more than listening to ex-soldiers who try (and fail) to give the impression that they are fearless super-humans.
Seriously you think he's likable omg a lot of what he said was him glorifying killing and blaming victims for been murdered by the brits. He's full of shit and lies. He's should definitely no make money from a book ds he sounds like a psychopath He's an awful excuse for a human
One of the best guests to date but the next Ruc man Wil top this for me .
I may have commented a bit early into this... Really great to hear two grown men agree that they may never agree, but to both come away with respect for each other. It's definitely lacking in this day and age. Great listen as ever! I will leave my earlier comment up, for nothin else other than we can all jump the gun (no pun) when emotions are involved. Thank God the north is a different world now, for everyone concerned
Ireland will be free one day
The british have already lost 26 counties taken back off them
The british soldiers killed trying to keep it under a temporary british occupation will have died for nothing
This scotish person should be fighting for Scottish freedom rather than being a serf to a foreign queen
100%
yes much better doing your fighting anonymously in the RUclips comments
You are right
That was a great podcast , very well done , really enjoyed that. 👍🏼
Harry McCallion's book Killing Zone is a good read.
I wouldn't put money in his pocket
@@paulthomas2178 Who said anything about putting money in his pocket?
"Its not just people its coroners and things"
"Oh well Whatever" He doesnt want his views challenged. His excuse we couldve killed more is asinine.
Great interview, and he's telling his truth. He talks about how Protestant people were treated in the Free State, but what about how nationalists were treated in their own country in the North?
Harry has bought into the British narrative of turning it into a sectarian conflict when it's really about national identity. Ireland has only been divided for just over 100 years; it was one country for the rest of its history. Britain did what it does best: turning locals against each other and then walking away. Britain wasn’t even a country before the vast majority of loyalists were planted in Ireland! They sectioned off a small part of the country, and he talks about protecting the rights of the majority!
In relation to the Ballymurphy incident, he says they had 50 years to get their story straight but so have soldiers !!According to him, all the ones killed at Ballymurphy were killed by accident!
Bobby sands wasn't from Tyrone he was from Belfast
And he fell down a crack in the pavement he was so thin..
@@francmilburn928no British soldier or loyalist could ever match the bravery of bobby sands loyalist had no problem taking what Bobby and his comrades fought and died for..and as for the British army their yellowness and lack off bravery is renowned they built bridges for the Japanese after surrendering in the 2nd world war..never won a battle if it wasn't for the Russians everybody would be speaking German your british war heros laughable your army is good at killing civilians and thats all.bobby sands a true irish patriot...
The French Foreign Legion are tougher than all the rest including British Paras, Royal Marines, American Navy Seals, Green Berets etc
As an ex soldier a never heard this mince about a soldier who wanted to kill anyone... A mix with a charity near Glasgow and the banter is awesome but a done p company and met a few regt guys and they never boast about killing anyone he might be a decent bloke but this makes me wonder yes he's right about bullying that's normal it makes u a man but he seams he's boasting that disturbs me if he has an issue with ma comment give him ma details and a will talk to him to his his face
Quit drinking bud
Given his previous jobs and that he's a barrister also that he's getting on in years.... I'd suggest you change your mindset friend ..
I hope you can speak better than you can write. Unless you’ve lost both your hands in a terrible accident and wrote that post with your feet. If that is the case I apologise 🤣
im an Irish Republiccn raised in Glasgow and i admire your words..this guys soul is dark
How wrong can one person be
One Man, One Vote 🇮🇪
The statements and evidence were made 50 years ago at the time of the massacre
Wish he would tell the true story of the sniper team been caught .as the sniper team on hand to hand fighting got the better of the sas team ,only for reinforcements landing .
I listened to his audio book "Killing Zone". It is by far one of best written and narrated military biographies.
Maybe the first book I read by an ex-SAS member. Very good book and interesting life story.
@@ianc1001 The audio book is narrated by David McCallion and what a narration. He fleshes out the main character with a sly wit. it is funny and gripping all at the same time and I have listened to it several times. It is that good. Blows anything Ant Middleton has done. Although I enjoy his audio books too. Killing Zone is on another level.
You listened to it ?
Shot innocent people in DERRY HE FORGOT TO MENTION THAT
He has a very one sided opinion, quite a narrow minded fellow
how was he going to get the other sides opinion, I don't think they were going to invite him round for tea, as he said he was there to kill the enemy not to find out the opinion of republicans, he has to be one sided to be effective same as his enemy would be the same
This guy is a tospot and he knows it. He was an arrogant bully during the troubles is my guess.
I think he is a very honest man says it way he see it
He is Dishonest concerning the "Ballymurphy Massacre"
he is a lying doushbag
The problem is that the way he sees it is completely skewed and untrue.
When he speaks about the "Ballymurphy Massacre" it's time to switch off,just shows the chip on his shoulder...
why?
@@paddypooheadBecause the Ballymurphy massacre was Paratroopers shooting priests men women and children for absolutely no reason other than bloodlust.. and this man in the podcast blames the innocent victims simply for being in their homes.
Trained soldiers apparently fired on gunmen and when it was all over they missed all them and killed 10 innocent civilians what a lot of shite this man is talking
so you only want to hear the parts you agree with, the entire point of the series is to get everyone's point of view
@@gruunt4064 That's not what I said though is it. Don't put words in my mouth. The man describes British state terrorism as "mistakes" and refuses to call them terrorists while simulatenously referring to the PIRA as terrorists, they either both are or neither are. He also says that if an oppressed people rise up to fight an oppressive state then it isn't terrorism, he is literally describing Northern Ireland pre-Troubles so by his definition the PIRA were not terrorists.
This guys version of the paras and sas in Ireland and NI history in general is so biased it’s laughably ridiculous he shows himself to be completely ignorant and incapable of understanding one side of the war
my dads cousin was taken hostage by dessie ohare money was the object rip john o 'grady
Don't think eye contact is his problem having a soul or lack of might be
So what was bloody Sunday if it wasn't terrorism
Ask Martin ....ohh wait....
@@parkgate-ub1ey didn’t Marty refuse to tell the inquiry about his involvement.
If you can remember the young soldier who went awal after the briefing before Bloody Sunday. Just goes to show that the soldiers were instructed to kill as many Catholics as possible.
@@chrisdonnelly3282 stop talking shite
@@parkgate-ub1ey Learn your fucking history!!!
Bloody Sunday not forgotten we go 18 and Mountbatten
19000 views, 330 likes! That's one of the worst responses to a video in years, that man must be talking complete *******
Same old story can remember hard times getting where he was but can’t when atrocities happen
same on both sides
I remember this man in Dunmurry I was arrested
was he nice?
It would be interesting to hear what it was like to work in the prisons during the troubles? Keep up the good work your stuff is really interesting
I’d like to thank this man for his service.
Service hmmm…
Did he service you?
@@kmg474 lol. I’m entitled to think as I think.
@@MikaelFlyer this isnt America
Silly little boy. Clueless.
Ha Ha Bobby Sands is from Tyrone , British intelligence at its finest , he’s from Twinbrook Belfast , you’d think he’d get his facts right before bleating on about The Troubles 🇮🇪☘️
Don't know mate they had scap , Adams, mcguiness, and many many more
Man gives me anxiety with his lies
Great interview. I wish you had said to him that terrorists and a Guerilla army are not mutually exclusive terms. You can be both.
I grew up in the Uk through the troubles,Ill never forget the bombings in Belfast which was an active War zone, the capacity of Irish terrorists to kill innocent people, especially civilians and their fellow Irish countrymen knew no boundaries and also British Servicemen there protecting the law-abiding Irish who I'm sure wanted no part in people throwing petrol bombs at them and taking pot shots at them. Over 1400 servicemen lost their lives there along with 319 RUC officers and Im confident that many came back to the mainland suffering from PTSD not to mention the veterans that now face court hearings on their alleged activities over 40years ago,For all those guys and their families they paid the ultimate price some still are for the peace that now is enjoyed by people of Northern Ireland,I think both the SAS and INTEL 14 played a pivotal role in forcing the IRA to the negotiating table and the fragile peace that followed,No disrespect but the Interviewer is to young to remember the troubles and asking Harry how many people he took out of the game is one place I would never visit,There is no Romance in War John only victims and the on going grief of their families...................And To Harry thank you for you're service there my man and the countless lives you and you're comrades saved,
You should actually research Irish history as you’re very naive
@@LFCMattNOIWell said. A very typical view from somebody living in the UK that hasn't a clue.
I love both sides 🇮🇪🇬🇧
Well said Harry, played a blinder 👍
Should you not of asked him about the black and tans . Aiso he keeps on talking about the democratly route in northern Ireland , when the Protestants were getting 5 votes to ,1 catholic
He wasn't alive when Black and Tans were around. If you bothered to listen, he was talking about his own experiences. And while we are on the subject.. the Pro and Anti Treaty IRA engaged in horrific civil war in Eire in early 1920's.. IRA on IRA
He only didn't want to talk about the things that he new the brits were proven to be in the wrong like everything the brits did were wrong as they were the ones in our country of Ireland. Everything else he talked about was all balix lies. Oh and he was glorifying killing and murder a lot what a sick bastard he is.
Rosemary nelson podcast would be a good1.
My dad did a few tours in NI between 73 and 76 with 3 para Stephen McDermott
"I will not use a hypothetical scenario that doesn't suit my agenda"
No wonder History in English schools are woeful.
There is no Irish history in English schools. Too bloody ashamed to discuss their murderous past.
@@chrisdonnelly3282 100%. Remember not so long ago Channell 4 wanted to do a comedy about the Famine, which was cancelled, & a lot of folk on social media didn't realise what happened. Imagine it's WW1, 2 & how the Empire brought democracy to the rest of the world.
If the brits thought the real history in there schools and not bullshit then the kids would all be ashamed to be from there because od all the millions they have killed around the world. The brit legacy is drenched in innocents blood it's truly disgusting.
Call!
Wow, he's a Legend!
What an Honor it would be to talk to him. So many questions!
Don't talk shit lol u believe his bullshit lies 🤣 so gullible you are grow up
there was no persecution of Catholics in the South. Mind you they were a small minority as a lot left after independence.
If you mean Protestants , you have a lot to learn , there was a slaughter , particularly in cork city, and county , which led to a mass exodus .
You mean Protestants, right?
Plenty of Protestants in the Republic still to this day and they live just fine. Always were free to practice their religion
The prods in the south never had a problem because us catholics are good people and we would never treat them how they treated the catholics in the north.
@@sean5260 exactly, there's Protestant communities and churches in pretty much every town and city in the Republic and never heard of prods being persecuted once
He has his views other people have there’s his are one dimensional
Grew up in the North during all that auld shite...our parents sheltered us from the worst of it even though we knew it was going on. The trouble was mostly confined to the city be it Derry or Belfast.
Recently watched Harry's Game on RUclips but this Harry McCallion's backstory is next level.
Sent him down Aldershot to join the Maroon Machine!
You have to love this guy... Hes a no nonsense type Scottish man
Should have mentioned Gibraltar ..he would have justified it
Great ,good listener.very interesting hearing one of these barbaric bastards opinion on there brutality in Ireland,.
Northern Ireland xo
Well said
@@parkgate-ub1eyNorth of Ireland
North of Ireland soon to be a united ireland 🇮🇪 we are now the majority in the north and ur unionist days are over and never coming bk lol. Well just look at the people u unionists have representing you these days lol with ball roots like Donaldson and bryson hahaha what a joke
@@sean5260And now the immigrants will replace the Irish
Total respect to this man
Aye the guy doing the interviews not the old tramp full of lies who knows fuck all about the troubles 😂
'you have to do Junior Brecon and Senior Brecon'. He describes basic, or part one, training. He is wrong. Both are infantry career courses, which must be passed by those who want promotion to Corporal and Sergeant.
Different terminology back then for the various phases of infantry training . Quiet down crow
He probably meant basic Wales and advanced Wales.Two field exercises which had to be passed during depot in his time and were caried out on the Brecon training area.
@@iceandale7621 Straight in with the name calling eh? Well for your information, the Depot Para basic training exercises are 'Basic Wales' and 'Advanced Wales', quiet down crow.
@@markdennis930 He also says you do a "5 and a 7 mile run" as well as an "Indoor assault Course" on P Company which obviously is not correct also.
Bob McKenzie not Matt.
Seems to forget it was never British
NI still is British genius.. checked a map recently? Or are you totally illiterate?
Am disgusted with this bloke how can u boast about killing anyone and feel it's OK
Do you have the same feeling of disgust with regards to ira killers?
Hes Scottish the British loved them boys born 2 kill
@@parkgate-ub1ey yes a do have the same disgust bud
Exactly my thoughts. He's a fecking psychopath. Everyone should boycott his book don't give him a penny for his disgusting lies
Boils my blood the way people in britain say northern ireland so embroiled in the past wars and living in the past. .. They been to london ? Ancient marches up and down Buckingham palace sulating ancient heroes royals still dressing like it 1066 jesus
@JimmyMcnallenor those weird fellows with the white gloves, bowler hats and orange curtains celebrating something that happened centuries ago 😂😂😂
@@sayitasitis100No doubt you're the likely type to go out and watch the Hibernian walks
@@markdavidson9743 Nah just watch the Celts walk all over Rangers, Champions again ole ole, champions again champions again champions again ole ole 😜🤪😜🇮🇪☘🇮🇪
@JimmyMcnallenyou are right sinners and the dup have fucked us
@@sayitasitis100and then get humiliated in champions league next season absolute shambles but you stick to your micky mouse league SPL is english league 1 standard at best , celtic and rangers would struggle to get out of the championship
Not in Nigeria Sierra Leone .
Another detail that Irish nationalists overlook are the Protestants killed by the army , six in east Belfast alone , no, inquiries or protests for these boys, one of whom was 15 , no whining either , British people have dignity.
Archies mum is on RUclips she said the brits just wanted 2 kil someone.1st person 2 die by the British in 6 counties
That was the worst interview u have done. This bloke had nit a fucking clue on somethings. Bobby sands he said was fron east tyrone. He was from twinbrook belfast. U never ask him about bloody sunday either. Get him back on and do a debate with a x ira man that would b good
Killing zone is a fantastic book. Harry gets a mention in Nish Bruces book freefall, he had a reputation as a very hard man
He's full of shite lies and if you believe his obvious lies then wise up stop been so gullible 😂
Man looks drunk
Vote sinn fein my arse
They will soon be up your arse.. Oh sorry, thats another party. Dung pushing party.
He looks like gusty Spence
great guy thanks for your service
This sounds like a tout for sure
For an intelligent man you have a simplistic viewpoint . I’m real surprised that you have not considered the long history
I read this guys book years ago , the recce experience was awesome. The killing zone
No father figure, family was rife with crime = perfect BA recruit.