Yeah, kind of like Comedy Central Roast where the roastee and roasters all agree to be roasted. Roasting people outside of your gigs or comedy circle just seems unecessarily cruel and mean-spirited.
yes that would be called “punching down” which most people don’t enjoy Like no one would like if you tore a 99yo special needs grandmother apart, because she isn’t shooting anything back.
A lot of people think they're being funny when they're just being mean. As if they haven't developed past grade school humor and expect people to still laugh because they want to be in the "in group" instead of laughing at something that's actually funny. Comedians know that it HAS to be funny. Funny first, mean second.
Are there not also people who are too sensitive and take anything said to them, not just by a comedian, to heart? Some people need to learn to identify a joke vs a comment said with ill intent.
@@TheMr02drop yeah a lot of times people make 'jokes' just to scan where your boundries lie. If you are around a lot off perverts, be sure they will test out the waters with some disgusting comments first and call them jokes, same with racists, cruel people ect: are you one off us, can we easily victimise you, will you run and tell ect
@@MyNameIsRow01 There are lots of people who get mad at people like Dave Chappelle. He is a very good comedian. More often it's the person who takes the joke personally and not the fault of the comedian.
I think most comedians are “mean” but the truly good ones are “mean” in a way that the audience *knows* it’s not with any malice or actual hate. There are some great ones who are just fuckin mean, like I love Lewis Black. That man does nothing but yell and talk mad shit, and it’s hilarious. At least I think so. I also personally love Mike Birbiglia, and that guy is so soft and placid. Whenever he’s “mean” it ends up just becoming self deprecating.😂 He also doesn’t even swear all that much I don’t think, and tends to talk a lot about serious life issues, in a relatable way that’s also a bit dark. He’s never outright “mean” about anyone. He might even make a joke about someone and follow it up with a “nah I’m kiddin, I love the guy… he’s actually awesome.” and negate the whole meanness. I like that style. It’s really about delivery.
Lol the only guy Mike Birbibliography was mean to was the kid that booked him a hotel room not on the first floor...leading to him having a full on breakdown, one might say his first "Goddammnnit I'm eating PRETZELS 🥨 moment"
There's "None of us are above being laughed at, we shouldn't take ourselves too seriously", and then there's "You better laugh, or I might turn on you next." The former is funny; the latter is a threat painted as comedy.
Self deprecating humor is the most hilarious, in fact, all humor is generally funny if it's been established that you love/respect/care deeply about the subject. The more personal it is the funnier, it takes all the sting out of it, and a good comedian can make a compliment a joke: I Love Lucy.
My sister is like this, she’s not a comedian but probably the funniest person I know. There is not a soul on earth she would spare when it comes to a joke. 😂😂😂
@@biegebythesea6775 Meh I guess it isn't, but I think some people lose their spark as they age and life piles on, and feel like Sona will always be Sona. It's more her personality than anything, but I do realize my tone might've sounded creepy over the internet
Oh, heck yeah... Jiminy Glick was the funniest mean guy characterI I have ever seen. Sooo entertaining to see how his guests handled the subtle and not so subtle jabs.
It's not that, it's in the same vein as Black Comedy/Gallows Humor. Men verbally punch eachother to improve or challenge eachother's thick skin and wit. It's not cruel, it's well intentioned bullying meant to improve your character.
@@noizetank6122 Interesting theory, but I don't find it persuasive. Most comics are not manly, competitive people. They're like the weird kid in school. In the past two weeks I've seen two interviews about two different comics each of which said "he had a tough childhood and/or relationship with his dad." Jerry Seinfeld didn't seem to have this, but in his latest long-form interview he hints at how much being critical and expressing his frustration with things in life that just don't "square" (my word) is important to his humor.
Not be mean. Comedians need to be clever. The problem is "clever" is irrespective of the feelings of others. We funny people need to be clever. And we need to share the clever thing we just created.
The best comedians take you just across mean. Retreat and keep toeing but never cross fully. Restraint is hard for comedians. The negative spaces speak, only people that study and craft it fully understand how to manipulate it. In my opinion awkward and cringe humor are cheap. Mean is cheap and easy when it’s direct. Crafting a story and point of view and expanding it to a common human trait we all laugh at. That’s art. Point a finger at yourself to join humanity in the banality of our existence and make it funny is legend.
The nature of humor is that: You have to be laughing AT something. Even if "something" is existence or an object. You're still, in essence, mocking something. And being mean.
Good comedians don't have to resort to being mean to get laughs. They're just naturally funny without attacking their audience. I never liked Rickles or people like him because they made their living off of insults and hurtful behavior. True comedians don't have to engage in such despicable acts .
I think that's a great observation. Basically, to word it differently, socially, we don't joke at others expenses. Comedians do because well it's their job. That's where the mean comes from. 2 comedians will go abck and forth with this. Then comes the cruelty discussed. Cruel is when the comedian makes the joke, it was clearly very hurtful to the person, and they keep going. Yeah, sure you can make anything funny, but you're being a blatant asshole seeing someone *socially* hurt and continuing on. Because your social setting isn't the public. Your material in the public is fair game because it's for anyone to view at their choosing. But being in front of someone and making jokes at their expense they are clearly being hurt by is just bullying in its truest form. How funny a joke is doesn't matter above your social interactions, it matter for your public presentation. "Mean" in this context is saying the joke that *is* funny but not the most polite in a standard social setting, which comedians will do, and we non-comedians refrain from because it's usually rude. This doesn't mean comedians are actual assholes, just that the humor is their first thought, and typically how they communicate initially. Because their profession is always the funny coming first. But a comedian isn't inherently mean in a literal sense, as kind people who are also comedians, will lay off the joke, as they value the social bond over some laughs.
You can be mean, but punch up. If you’re mean and punch down and hurt someone, that’s not funny. Comedians subvert the power dynamic and take risks by doing so, but no one gets hurt so it’s funny. The targets of humour should be above taking offence.
That sounds like a description of every gathering of black people I've been to, including my family. Done competitively it's called the dozens, as in playing the dozens. It's generally meant to be friendly.
@@InformationIsTheEdge Right. Not mean as in cruel. Mean as in pushing the boundary of polite and honest with maby just a degree too much of the latter.
John Mulaney is one of the few comedians I think of as NOT mean. I used to speak of him as a Bob Newhart type of comedian (the highest compliment I could give, and now the sweetest and truest compliment in the world… RIP BN. You were the nicest, truest, sweetest, kindest, funniest comedian I ever listened to and I listened to you thru [most] of your life. As somebody brilliantly said yesterday, you now make Heaven a funnier place! 🕊️😇⭐️🌙) 🥰
DSP showing the tax folder and paper that the camera can’t pick up any writing on gives me massive two kids stacked in a trenchcoat vibes. “One alcohol, please. After all, I am a grown man.”
It's why roasts are really only for comedians & true lovers of comedy. The goal is for the best humor to break into reality, and then break reality itself.
It's funny you say that because roasts are the only times you see non comedians presenting themselves as funny. Without the crutch of insulting people a lot of "roast" comics are usually pretty comedically impotent, such as Jeff Ross or Lisa Lampanelli. So I would argue roasts are primarily for people that enjoy comedy at it its most superficial level
It only occurs as mean if you take your self too seriously. If a joke gets a laugh, it’s funny. if it’s funny, it has at least a seed of truth. If the truth hurts, you have a problem with reality, and that’s on you.
My sister used to get so upset with my parents because they would laugh at the mean things I said to her. It kind of undermined them chastising me when they're laughing. Relentless bullying is my family's love language.
I'm reminded of Bo Burnham addressing hecklers back when his career was getting going. He became so verbally abusive towards these people, and I thought, Yep, that's how you get famous in showbiz... you fight your way to the top.
I mean, if ur literally asking for it by fucking with the comedian u dont really have room to cry about them being "mean" when they snap back 😂 i love seeing hecklers put in their place and then escorted out for being a bummer and a nuisance.
Drag queens call it "reading", which is making a mean joke but with love. And I really love reading people and seeing other people read people, including myself 😂😂😂 so long as it's done with love, it's hilarious.
Cuz comedy is just the cool fun side of social swaggering and dominance. You can either take over a room by being the biggest muscles there. Being the most charismatic one there. Or being the subject matter expert. Comedy is saying the intrusive thoughts, noticing of "the other", or pointing out dicotomy or brokedness within a structure. But in a funny kinda borderline acceptable way 😂😂 This is why people with "the tisms" can be the funniest people alive. Cuz they see n deal with those three things mentioned above ALL the time, and if they get down delivery to where strangers get it quick. Thats a 40yr career of laughs right there!
That’s true, I was out walking in west LA once, saw Conan beating up a homeless man. True story
He was beating him off under that bridge
@@sludgerat666 For $10 a man? Don't let Adam Eget find out, it could have been on his turf.
that was jordan schlansky
Well it must have been funny or he wouldn’t have done it
@@user-cq3fc3fn5o That homeless guy had it coming.
Being a mean comedian is an art, like they have to read the room and not be cruel
Lisa Lampinelli was good like that.
John Cleese knows more about comedy than all of those people talking put together.
And he says "All humour is cruel".
@@uncletiggermclaren7592 John Cleese knows as much about comedy as Chevy Chase.
There are levels, there can be sadism or simply pointing out someone being ridiculous.
That's not art. Is common sense boy.
Mulaney giving crisp mid-century modern priest vibes
christian bale in "equilibrium"
“Crisp” that’s how you know it’s legit
Ethan Hawke in “First Reformed”
I like how you describe him as an tele evangelist and your likes are stuck exactly at 666
Sona just described her boss 😂😂😂
They’re certainly meanest to each other. It seems skilled comedians will take a shot if they think the other can shoot back.
Yeah, kind of like Comedy Central Roast where the roastee and roasters all agree to be roasted. Roasting people outside of your gigs or comedy circle just seems unecessarily cruel and mean-spirited.
@@binaryvoid0101 it sure can be, but I can relate to not being able to pass up a joke.
yes that would be called “punching down” which most people don’t enjoy Like no one would like if you tore a 99yo special needs grandmother apart, because she isn’t shooting anything back.
Ranked, competitive comedy, solos
I love when guests genuinely talk to Sona and Matt
Who is soma?
Mulaney seems like a good guy
@@PD-we8vfthe lady talking in the video
@@hoshkotheboyisn't mulaney famously an a hole?
Well he cheated on his wife and 2 kids with 3 other women so@@hoshkotheboy
Tragedy is when I get a paper cut. Comedy is when you fall down a sewer and die. - Mel Brooks
wtf lmao
@@user-dl8rt4rt6uwatch blazing saddles and you will understand different times better for comedy
I like the Nate appreciation
"They don't know I'm a comedian so it just seems like a mean speech." 😂
Nate Bargatze is amazing.
I like how respectful he was with her
respectful? social, inclusive.
What reason did he have not to be?
@@NateS917Well, he’s a comedian, and they are MEAN.
to bad the account didn’t - attributed her quote to the men smdh
john mulaney in full cult uniform
Is it me or is Mulaney looking like a cult leader in this clip?
Not everyone who wears a Nehru jacket is a cult leader, only around 60% of them
A faith Healer? Yes.
I thought he was channeling Dr. No 😂
His hair looks fake.
Its the short collared shirt
A lot of people think they're being funny when they're just being mean. As if they haven't developed past grade school humor and expect people to still laugh because they want to be in the "in group" instead of laughing at something that's actually funny. Comedians know that it HAS to be funny. Funny first, mean second.
If you can be funny without being a dick, anything goes.
Are there not also people who are too sensitive and take anything said to them, not just by a comedian, to heart?
Some people need to learn to identify a joke vs a comment said with ill intent.
@@TheMr02drop if you can’t tell a joke without demeaning another human being, then you’re just a really bad comedian
@@TheMr02drop yeah a lot of times people make 'jokes' just to scan where your boundries lie. If you are around a lot off perverts, be sure they will test out the waters with some disgusting comments first and call them jokes, same with racists, cruel people ect: are you one off us, can we easily victimise you, will you run and tell ect
@@MyNameIsRow01 There are lots of people who get mad at people like Dave Chappelle. He is a very good comedian. More often it's the person who takes the joke personally and not the fault of the comedian.
I think most comedians are “mean” but the truly good ones are “mean” in a way that the audience *knows* it’s not with any malice or actual hate. There are some great ones who are just fuckin mean, like I love Lewis Black. That man does nothing but yell and talk mad shit, and it’s hilarious. At least I think so. I also personally love Mike Birbiglia, and that guy is so soft and placid. Whenever he’s “mean” it ends up just becoming self deprecating.😂 He also doesn’t even swear all that much I don’t think, and tends to talk a lot about serious life issues, in a relatable way that’s also a bit dark. He’s never outright “mean” about anyone. He might even make a joke about someone and follow it up with a “nah I’m kiddin, I love the guy… he’s actually awesome.” and negate the whole meanness.
I like that style.
It’s really about delivery.
Lol the only guy Mike Birbibliography was mean to was the kid that booked him a hotel room not on the first floor...leading to him having a full on breakdown, one might say his first "Goddammnnit I'm eating PRETZELS 🥨 moment"
Lewis Black isn't mean. He's angry. Maybe he's mean to the people he's angry with?
There's "None of us are above being laughed at, we shouldn't take ourselves too seriously", and then there's "You better laugh, or I might turn on you next." The former is funny; the latter is a threat painted as comedy.
John Mulaney mentioning Nate Bargatze is wonderful
I love that this comment got flagged as a different language. "Translate to English" 😂😂😂
Yes, I love that Bargatze quote. You have to know your audience lol.
kinda crazy to attribute the quote to Mulaney when it was said by Sona ...
FOR REAL 🤦🏻♀️
Half of hanging out with comedians seems to be not minding being interrupted and the other half is laughing at everything.
Self deprecating humor is the most hilarious, in fact, all humor is generally funny if it's been established that you love/respect/care deeply about the subject. The more personal it is the funnier, it takes all the sting out of it, and a good comedian can make a compliment a joke: I Love Lucy.
One name - Don Rickles
Thank You!
horrible man.
I think this is the longest Conan has remained silent
That's why self-deprecation is the best, you can be as mean as you want
My sister is like this, she’s not a comedian but probably the funniest person I know. There is not a soul on earth she would spare when it comes to a joke. 😂😂😂
Its amazing Conan still has that hair
That Bargatze story is so good. I love when comedians shout out each other for the same bits and jokes that we all enjoy
God she’s beautiful
Yeah Sona’s a stunner and I suspect she always will be
stop it
@@J.Millhouse weird comment. always? why is that important?
@@biegebythesea6775 Meh I guess it isn't, but I think some people lose their spark as they age and life piles on, and feel like Sona will always be Sona. It's more her personality than anything, but I do realize my tone might've sounded creepy over the internet
Oh, heck yeah... Jiminy Glick was the funniest mean guy characterI I have ever seen. Sooo entertaining to see how his guests handled the subtle and not so subtle jabs.
Martin Short's best work
@@dielaughing73 no that's clifford.
I sense that most comedians are insecure, and insecurety lashes out and tears down.
It's not that, it's in the same vein as Black Comedy/Gallows Humor. Men verbally punch eachother to improve or challenge eachother's thick skin and wit.
It's not cruel, it's well intentioned bullying meant to improve your character.
@@noizetank6122 Interesting theory, but I don't find it persuasive. Most comics are not manly, competitive people. They're like the weird kid in school. In the past two weeks I've seen two interviews about two different comics each of which said "he had a tough childhood and/or relationship with his dad." Jerry Seinfeld didn't seem to have this, but in his latest long-form interview he hints at how much being critical and expressing his frustration with things in life that just don't "square" (my word) is important to his humor.
@@seanrcollier Fair point there. Cheers mate!
The legendary table at the comedy cellar was the personification of mean.
Mulaney needs to host the Oscars!
Slow clap starts here ...
I’m sure he could if he wanted to but it’s a notoriously terrible gig.
There is no way Mitch Hedberg was a mean person. I rest my case your honor.
Not be mean. Comedians need to be clever. The problem is "clever" is irrespective of the feelings of others.
We funny people need to be clever. And we need to share the clever thing we just created.
“Isn’t everyone mean” is just an excuse mean people use to live with themselves.
Someone said they saw Conan beat up a homeless man 😭😭😭
I think comedians will say what we are all thinking, but dare not say out loud. That's why we applaud them!
I love when you can annoy someone or piss them off while still making them laugh its one of my favorite things in the world
The best comedians take you just across mean. Retreat and keep toeing but never cross fully. Restraint is hard for comedians. The negative spaces speak, only people that study and craft it fully understand how to manipulate it. In my opinion awkward and cringe humor are cheap. Mean is cheap and easy when it’s direct. Crafting a story and point of view and expanding it to a common human trait we all laugh at. That’s art. Point a finger at yourself to join humanity in the banality of our existence and make it funny is legend.
its totally true. ive been called mean many times, but also the nicest person by different people in the same place
The nature of humor is that: You have to be laughing AT something. Even if "something" is existence or an object.
You're still, in essence, mocking something. And being mean.
Conan is the only comedian I can think of who is successfully funny without being mean
Its hilarious to me that John references Nate B.’s netflix special
Good comedians don't have to resort to being mean to get laughs. They're just naturally funny without attacking their audience. I never liked Rickles or people like him because they made their living off of insults and hurtful behavior. True comedians don't have to engage in such despicable acts .
I know it would never happen, but I'd love to see a pod with Tosh and John Mulaney
Comedians: mean with consent
Politicians: mean regardless 🍇
"gossipy" 😂😂
Sona is my very favorite!
Why? Overpaid lazy bum.
Grian thought kid Pikachu was a vape lmao
Paul Moony (cough cough)
There's a difference between mean and racist..
I like that Mulaney caught himself mansplaining and immediately turned it back to her. That was cool!
Asking clarification questions is 'avoiding mansplaining' now?? 😵💫
@@bumpygumpsonhe could have easily talked over her, and many guests would have, but he let her completely make her point.
@@bumpygumpson don't be sensitive
@@bumpygumpson Don't be manquestioning the mansplaining.
My thought exactly
I think that's a great observation. Basically, to word it differently, socially, we don't joke at others expenses. Comedians do because well it's their job. That's where the mean comes from. 2 comedians will go abck and forth with this.
Then comes the cruelty discussed. Cruel is when the comedian makes the joke, it was clearly very hurtful to the person, and they keep going. Yeah, sure you can make anything funny, but you're being a blatant asshole seeing someone *socially* hurt and continuing on. Because your social setting isn't the public. Your material in the public is fair game because it's for anyone to view at their choosing. But being in front of someone and making jokes at their expense they are clearly being hurt by is just bullying in its truest form. How funny a joke is doesn't matter above your social interactions, it matter for your public presentation.
"Mean" in this context is saying the joke that *is* funny but not the most polite in a standard social setting, which comedians will do, and we non-comedians refrain from because it's usually rude. This doesn't mean comedians are actual assholes, just that the humor is their first thought, and typically how they communicate initially. Because their profession is always the funny coming first. But a comedian isn't inherently mean in a literal sense, as kind people who are also comedians, will lay off the joke, as they value the social bond over some laughs.
Comedians have to be truth-tellers, but unless they're Rickles or heckled there's no reason to be mean to people.
You can be mean, but punch up. If you’re mean and punch down and hurt someone, that’s not funny. Comedians subvert the power dynamic and take risks by doing so, but no one gets hurt so it’s funny. The targets of humour should be above taking offence.
That sounds like a description of every gathering of black people I've been to, including my family. Done competitively it's called the dozens, as in playing the dozens. It's generally meant to be friendly.
My two favorite people. Awesome
This is from Conan Needs A Friend podcast. Very funny.
If you want to see rhe best expression of what "mean" means here, go watch Jimini Glick interviews. They are Martin Short at his satirical best.
Not mean for a second. Fantastic character. As long as the jokes are on the public persona, mean has little with it to do
@@natantataii8195Right. Not mean as in cruel. Mean as in pushing the boundary of polite and honest with maby just a degree too much of the latter.
@@natantataii8195Right. Not mean as in cruel. Mean as in pushing the boundary of polite and honest with maby just a degree too much of the latter.
@@InformationIsTheEdge Right. Not mean as in cruel. Mean as in pushing the boundary of polite and honest with maby just a degree too much of the latter.
@@PressuredSpeechBand Could not have stated that better myself!
Martin Short is a very dark person. Hes NEVER just joking.
John Mulaney is one of the few comedians I think of as NOT mean. I used to speak of him as a Bob Newhart type of comedian (the highest compliment I could give, and now the sweetest and truest compliment in the world… RIP BN. You were the nicest, truest, sweetest, kindest, funniest comedian I ever listened to and I listened to you thru [most] of your life. As somebody brilliantly said yesterday, you now make Heaven a funnier place! 🕊️😇⭐️🌙) 🥰
Humour & wittiness is a type of aggression (if I’m remember right from Sociology A-Level 😂)
Letting comedians talk about what they do was a mistake
Conan’s “How would you describe it?” Is what sets him apart in a lot of ways
Uhm.. Mulaney said that
dark humor is the phrase you’re looking for which is why comedians are perceived as mean
My experience with comedians is that they suffer from depression and making people laugh is their form of self medicating.
Reminds me of the Queen of Mean, Lisa Lampanelli!
Lisa Lump-of-jelly
I saw Conan O'Brien eat a person alive in Nevada.
He straight up ate a guy.
Nate Bargatze isn't mean. And he's funny.
"Why should I have to visit my wife's parents? It's her fault they divorced, not mine!"
Will Smith feeling supported
Nate is so funny
The joke is always on someone, kids. It's like Mel Brooks says.
And thats the difference between a comdian and your buddy whos a funny guy
Damn they didn’t like that 😂
Yeah I run into this as someone who fucks around a lot, sometimes it's hard to bite my tongue.
DSP showing the tax folder and paper that the camera can’t pick up any writing on gives me massive two kids stacked in a trenchcoat vibes. “One alcohol, please. After all, I am a grown man.”
John Mulaney mentioning Nate Bargatze gave me the biggest fucking whiplash holy CRAP. My two gods know each other 😂
Why? Or are you talking 💩?
I went to la and Conan beat me up
I just saw that Nate bargatze show and was tearing up at that part omg
Great point!
It's why roasts are really only for comedians & true lovers of comedy. The goal is for the best humor to break into reality, and then break reality itself.
It's funny you say that because roasts are the only times you see non comedians presenting themselves as funny. Without the crutch of insulting people a lot of "roast" comics are usually pretty comedically impotent, such as Jeff Ross or Lisa Lampanelli. So I would argue roasts are primarily for people that enjoy comedy at it its most superficial level
Why does Arthur Arthur look exactly like Nicolas Cage
Yo it’s chip from rescue rangers!!! 😂
Funny before feelings. My whole families motto. We have to be reminded to be nice around strangers.
Louie Anderson is a exception
🔥 video 💯
Yes they are all mean. They are not all funny, but they are all mean and that Nate Bargatze quote is perfect.
That's why I laughed when people were shocked that Ellen was "mean".
She's a comedian, so I already assumed that🤷♀️😂
I am not sure if that's John Krasinski or Josh Hartnett 😅
It only occurs as mean if you take your self too seriously. If a joke gets a laugh, it’s funny. if it’s funny, it has at least a seed of truth. If the truth hurts, you have a problem with reality, and that’s on you.
My sister used to get so upset with my parents because they would laugh at the mean things I said to her. It kind of undermined them chastising me when they're laughing. Relentless bullying is my family's love language.
Thats just summed up British taking the mick
you guys are so funny
Well I guess I’m a comedian then 😂
Every joke has a victim
I'm reminded of Bo Burnham addressing hecklers back when his career was getting going. He became so verbally abusive towards these people, and I thought, Yep, that's how you get famous in showbiz... you fight your way to the top.
I mean, if ur literally asking for it by fucking with the comedian u dont really have room to cry about them being "mean" when they snap back 😂 i love seeing hecklers put in their place and then escorted out for being a bummer and a nuisance.
Drag queens call it "reading", which is making a mean joke but with love. And I really love reading people and seeing other people read people, including myself 😂😂😂 so long as it's done with love, it's hilarious.
Martin Short mean and gossipy? I’ve never heard this about him.
Cuz comedy is just the cool fun side of social swaggering and dominance. You can either take over a room by being the biggest muscles there. Being the most charismatic one there. Or being the subject matter expert.
Comedy is saying the intrusive thoughts, noticing of "the other", or pointing out dicotomy or brokedness within a structure. But in a funny kinda borderline acceptable way 😂😂
This is why people with "the tisms" can be the funniest people alive. Cuz they see n deal with those three things mentioned above ALL the time, and if they get down delivery to where strangers get it quick. Thats a 40yr career of laughs right there!
My parents always said we had to follow the 10 Commandments....
Unless it was funny. Then God would forgive us.
Funny murder
“all humor is cruelty”