Fly Fishing Altmar King Salmon, Salmon River, NY - Wooly Bugged
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- Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2024
- NOTE: In the video I inaccurately describe that a line break is required for fishing the Salmon River. The line break regulation is only a requirement when fishing the Douglaston Salmon Run property which covers the first three miles of the river. To learn about the regulations that apply to all Lake Ontario tribs in New York, please see page 48 here: www.dec.ny.gov/...
Video of Michael Evanko and his girlfriend fly fishing the Upper Fly Zone on the Salmon River near Altmar, New York. A decent run of salmon entered the river in mid-September which broke a three year streak of poor early run activity. These fish moved through the river system quickly and were in the Pineville and Altmar areas within three to four days. The water was at 500CFS during the filming of this video. Although there were fish, there were not large numbers and hook-ups were limited. This fish was caught on an egg sucking leech. All video was shot on September 16, 2017.
I am a avid visitor to your videos and I am always impressed. I fished the Pulaski area for 15 years and it was always in mid Sept. with great success. I have many fine memories in photos, sure wish I had my GoPro back then. I have two kings mounted one is a buck that was 30lbs and a female at 26lbs. My last fishing trip was in 2004 so I imagine many things have changed, I fished the Douglaston (which was $15.00 a day at that time) and that was where the run started just up from the sanctuary. I used my own fly version which was a wooly bugger style with a chenille cerise head, chenille chartreuse body and palmered with chartreuse hackle weighted with .30 lead and just about the same size as your egg sucking leach. I know this fly was really hot then and I know it probably still is. Great video Mike, I love the fishing you have been doing together with your girlfriend, puts more interest into the sport.
Len Sherlinski I love your comment. I know what you mean when you say "I wish I had a GoPro back then." Thanks for sharing your story. I might have to tie up a pattern like you mention. You know, the DSR now costs $75 a day in peak season. Isn't that unbelievable! It's still one of the best places to fish because of how fresh the fish are, but the price is hard to swallow some days. Also, thanks for the nice comment about Janelle. She was a trooper this past weekend. I had her out all day and I've had guy friends that complained more than she did! Tight lines!
it will blow your mind fishing on the douglaston is 75 bucks a day now !!!
@@carlsnow2342 $90 friggin bucks a day these days (9-14-23), thanks to our "illustrious" establishment career corrupt politicians.
Tough job filming and fishing for salmon. I have to say you two did a real good job getting the footage. Your explanation of the requirements/rules were a great addition to this footage. Congratulations on your catch.
Thank you! It is very difficult to self-film salmon fishing, especially from a 3rd person point of view. Appreciate you watching the video!
Wow what a fish!!! We really want to make it up there one of these days. Also heard Oak Orchard was another location to try and get to up there. Great video though Mike, thoroughly enjoyed!
Backyard Angling thanks guys, appreciate that! Ya you have to put the Salmon and the Oak on your bucket list. Will be well worth the time!
Good video and nice job of working through the tree on the downstream run. I've had some success stopping an upstream run by rolling my rod downstream until the the tip is just above the water surface and palming the reel hard for a second or two. It will often make them change direction, or begin to thrash, which helps to tire them out a bit..
Jim K some good thoughts there Jim!
Thanks for that awesome Video! Very good production.
I just catched a 35inch male at East Twin River in Wisconsin on friday.
Kevin Morys that's great to hear they're running out in Wisconsin too! The first one of the year is always the best!
Great fish and video. Im goin up this year but only have a 5 wt fly rod. Will that hold or should i just use a heavier spinning setup
Good for you two ! The runs have been less than stellar for quite some time
Thanks Tyler! I appreciate you watching.
i was up there last year in the first weekend in october my fishing crew hooked over 300 fish in 4 days 6 guys and over 200 flies from pineville tackle shop .
Carl, that's one heck of a weekend, that might repeat this year!
all the reports say it is going to be even better my crew is chomping at the bit !!! maybe we will see you up there FISH ON !!!!!!!
Looked pretty awesome.. How many other people was out fishing? I saw a few others in the video. Congrats on that nice Salmon.
Frankie Shoenfelt there were only four other cars in the Upper Fly Zone lot when we arrived. In other areas closer to Pulaski there was quite a bit more traffic.
great vid, ive used those egg sucking leaches many times, at burt dam and have done very well. I've seen locked jawed fish in shallows and moments after casting felt a quick jolt and my fly was deep in the throat. While fishing for browns using meth patterns under an indicator, me and my buddy have had kings take that indicator straight down as well. They absolutely hit mostly out of aggression, but also to destroy competition for their offspring, and they even sometimes pick up nymphs just because they have done it quite often as smolts.
I can't believe I never actually watched this video before now lol. Good fish Mike. I love the upper fly (mostly for steelhead) but that pool you were in is my least favorite spot up there...I find it more difficult to fish for some reason. I did witness my first ever real salmon bite there (many years ago) just below you in the tailout. I stripped a wooly bugger in front of a pod of spawning salmon and an aggressive male came out and chomped it clear as day. I'll never forget it and that one bite was my inspiration to pursue biting salmon!
You are definitely right that the fish will bite when they are not pressured (I think they're most likely to bite when they are fresh to the river and also when they are spawning). I do however think this particular fish got accidentally flossed. I only say it because the direction of the hook was from the outside of the mouth to the inside of the mouth on the opposite side from where you were fishing. Nothing wrong with it because you did everything right!.. it's just what I've learned over the past several years (especially from responses in my own videos when I thought a fish bit). I went back and analyzed my own video and even though I felt the thump the hook placement was like yours (outside to inside at the edge of the mouth on the far side). I think when they feel the line or the hook they do a head shake and it feels like a hit. I also am 100% certain of other fish biting because of what I captured on video and the hook placement. Bottom line is most of the time we won't ever really know for sure.. we'll do our best to not foul and floss and when we hook up we'll have a blast knowing we're trying to do it right!
Keep doing what you're doing! I enjoy your channel a lot! Best of luck this year up there! It would be great to run into you one time!
White Dog Outdoors hey I just watched a salmon video of yours a couple weeks ago for the first time. You had a lot of hookups and jumpers if I remember correctly.
I agree with you, I don’t care for that spot where I hooked that fish in Altmar. It’s actually not an easy spot to fish, but that day, there were a handful of fish jumping and I gave it a shot, only time I’ve ever fished it. I just know the water was deep and slightly off color that day.
As far as the bite, who knows. I hear what you’re saying about the position of the hook, but if it was an accident it was a one in a million accident just based on the circumstances that day, the depth I was drifting at, etc. Either way it was memorable. And I have also witnessed salmon leave a pod to snap at a Wooly Bugger. I don’t think they’re eating, I think they’re just being aggressive. What kind of line set-up do you use from the fly line to your fly?
@@WoolyBugged Yeah.. A lot of people like to swing in that hole during steelhead... I like bottom bouncing a glo bug in faster water (like euro nymphing) for steelies. As for the bite... in the end I don't think it matters.. you do what you can do to fish fairly and whatever happens will happen... it was a legal hookup so just enjoy the ride right? Those salmon are crazy fighters!
For my line setup... I use a fairly heavy main line 17-20# Maxima to a section of hi vis mono (Amnesia or Suffix Elite) in 17-20#. After the hi vis section I do a section of fluorocarbon and I may drop to slightly lighter line depending on conditions but not below 14# for salmon unless they are really spooky and the water is slow moving. Then I do a tippet ring or very small barrel swivel (I like tippet rings because they'll never see them). From there I tie a short section of fluorocarbon (around 18") to the fly leaving a long tag end at the tippet ring. I'll pinch any necessary split shot on the tag end so my main line stays away from the rocks as much as possible. That section of fluorocarbon is usually 14-17# depending on the water I'm fishing. I'll drop to 12# if they are spooky and water is slow. If I'm fishing fast water I'm not worried about them seeing the line and will go heavy... I've gone as heavy as 20#. I tie my own flies and tie as much weight in the fly itself as possible and use as little split shot as possible. I am usually keeping a tight line like when euro nymphing and that helps me feel what is going on directly at the fly. (I am basically euro nymphing for salmon lol) Also, I use a shorter section of tippet to the fly because that minimizes the accidental flossing. Most people who floss put a lot of split shot weight 4 feet up the line and weight in the fly. Then they guide the 4 feet of line along the bottom and they floss like crazy. Keeping a short distance between the weight and fly (while using the least amount of split shot weight) and keeping a tight line really minimizes the fouling and flossing (It still happens though).
The really big key is if the only fish being hooked are being flossed I'll downsize everything big time.. If I still don't get bit I'll leave the better holes and go looking for fish that are not pressured (basically go find holding water that most people walk right by). Finding the aggressive salmon is the key... those are the ones that bite!
Sorry... a little long winded... I can talk fishing all day... :)
Nothing wrong with flossing , but that fish was a clear floss job if that was the actual hook placement . Just have fun with it but no reason to convince yourself he slammed it
Fish Fray I disagree with you and have plenty of information that shows east coast salmon will strike out of spawning aggression, but thanks for watching! You've got a great channel, keep up the good work.
They will bite when They are all stacked up in pools. Yhat instinct never leaves a fish to grab food when they see it
I have seen salmon in salmon river take dry fly when stacked up in a pool.
Thanks for the excellent video. Yeah, social media has pretty much killed any of the few remaining decent fly fishing spots in the Sierras. I guess it's inevitable.
Thanks for the reply. Good luck this fall.
Frankie Shoenfelt you too Frankie!
Hello, guys , can you answer some question, please?
Can you recommend a Fly Fishing Rod, length of this rod, and a reel for this river?
I will be very appreciated for your response.
Thank you so much, Sir.
He said it in the video
Great info about the rules with rigging up. Im going up soon and have been doing research. This helped a ton. Keep up the great videos! Thanks!
It was definitely a great run this year. If you enjoyed this video checkout my latest from the salmon river !!
Great video as always. Im curious, ive caught steelhead in the SR dead drifting flies, but cant seem to hook up with a salmon. what does a take feel like? a pull? a snag? been up there a few times and still cant figure it out....
It feels like a big fish trying to yank your fly rod out of your hand. When I caught the fish in this video, I was drifting that Egg Sucking Leech in some deep water with good current. I was just tossing out to the middle and letting it drift. I must've thrown 10 casts and then unexpectedly, wham, by line jerked and almost yanked the rod out of my hand and I lifted and this fish was on. It was awesome!
i went up a couple times last year but didnt have any luck. maybe this is the year! thanks for the reply!
I believe unpressured Kings like the one in the video have a better chance of taking a fly because I have caught them on j-11s up in the creek before. But I think when the fish are pressured they just shut right down
Hey Wooly Bugged, I'm starting to look at my gear for this coming salmon season. I dont own a heavy weight rod. My heaviest fly rod is a 5 wt. I have a homemade rod that might be a 6wt my friends father made in the 90's but my rods arent super heavy. Do I NEED to buy a heavy weight rod for these monsters, or could I get by with a lighter weight? I don't really have hundreds of dollars to spend right now.
Zer0 Kewl unfortunately the answer is yes. You have two problems, one, a salmon can very easily break a 5-6 wt fly rod at any section of the rod. These fish are very strong. Two, because there will typically be other people that will be fishing up or downstream of you, on a rod that small, it would take a very long time to land the fish and the folks around you will be irritated as they wait 15-20 minutes for you to attempt to land a fish. It kind of becomes a stream etiquette thing.
Have you considered looking for a cheap rod on eBay? You definitely don’t need an expensive rod and reel. See if you can find a rod, new or used in 8, 9, 10 wt that’s at least 9-10ft for under $50-$100. Does not need to be name brand. I found a couple on a quick search.
@@WoolyBugged Thank you! I will have to do that. I live in WNY and last year I hooked into my first ever DSR salmon and that thing took me for a ride before breaking my tippet. This season, I will be prepared!
Mike . so you mostly fish woolys up there. I'm going first week of October. Guess I need to stock up on them.
SOFTAIL X I have always had a lot of success with them. The water levels and sun dictate color, but yes, great pattern. What do you typically use for a set-up?
I'm going for my first time. I also have a 10 ft 8wt. Any other tips u have would be useful. And that was an epic battle.
SOFTAIL X you want 9' or 12' leaders with a 10-12lb rating. I'd recommend 0-2X tippet sizes. Many steelhead flies will work on salmon. Note there are line break and hook gap rules for salmon in NY, so know the rules. Fines can be expensive. Make sure you have very strong hooks and double check every knot you tie.
Oh and plenty of weight options!
Thx my man. Glad to see Janelle still into it.
We go every fall in October definitely a challenge catching those salmon we snag and floss so many but catch alot
So you have to have a line break so your weight doesn't slide down to your fly and is that setup also for the Oak orchard and Burt Dam?
Jonathan, the line break regulation is specific to the Douglaston Salmon Run stretch of the New York regulations book here www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/fishguide.pdf
Why is it wrong for the weight to be snugged up on the fly?
Because it creates a snagging device.
@@WoolyBugged Oh, that makes sense. Thanks!
no doubt salmon will strike out of aggression and ive caught loads of them like that but the problem is unless you see the fish grab the fly you just dont know...that fly in that salmons mouth i would say was flossed but who cares? thats the deal when fishing for them and know in the salmon river thousands of fish will be moving past your position wherever you are and as soon as your fly drifts past your position and gets swung chances are your going to floss fish with the numbers of fish there with there opening and closing there mouths ..there certainly is a way to fish without flossing any fish but its only when you can sight fish and see the actual take..nice video and nice you got ur girl into it..
termite122 thanks for the nice comment termite
Wooly Bugged watching your video drives me crazy know how much fun it is catching those hogs. Your video is the nxt best thing I guess. Lol. I will make one suggestion to your rig. Instead of attaching your leader end to Your tippet with a blood or surgeons knot tie on a tippet ring there instead. Then if u want u could tie a 3in. Tag off the tippet ring that your shot goes on then tie your length of tippet off the same tippet ring. If you get hung up from your shot they will usually pull free without losing your rig. If u use nylon instead of flouro you can crimp your shot to the tag and it won’t move. If u use a tag of flouro an overhand knot at the bottom of the tag is needed or your shot will get flung off because flouro is so hard and splitshot won’t crimp it. Good luck
termite122 good suggestion, thank you!
Bad ass fly fishing keep up the good work 🤙
Reel-Phatties thanks my friend!
Nice. I love that river
Ralph Barton agreed, an amazing place!
Flossing is how it's done. That's hooked on the outside of the mouth
Nice video! I subscribed
you are about two weeks to early
Ya, I know, I was anxious and wanted to chase big fish.
Grab a 10wt so you can land those fish a bit more expeditiously and put the wood to 'em. And it's Pulask eye
Brooktrout Angler are you buyin?
i wouldnt pay to catch a few mud sharks but great video.
Tilar Sattaboot that was public water, no cost!
You can reduce the video to 2 minutes
Leader can’t be more the 4 feet just so you know
Your comment is inaccurate Ryan. The distance between the fly/hook and added weight ON the leader cannot exceed 4 feet in distance. The length of the leader itself is irrelevant.