Interestingly enough Zora and Rito have coexisted on the timeline before. While not present in Wind Waker itself the "Geozards" in Phantom Hourglass and Spirit tracks (both direct sequels to Wind Waker) are refered to as "Zora Warriors" in several official guides and are virtually identical to the aggressive fire breathing "river zora" of early games in the series. The violent river Zora and friendly sea Zora already represent two branches of the species so a third branch in the Rito isn't a stretch (although a flood turning fish into birds is a stretch and I wouldn't blame Nintendo wanting to retcon that nonsense).
I recall one theory as to why the Zora became the Rito in Wind Waker is that the Goddesses wanted to maintain a balance of power between the various races of Hyrule. The Zora remaining aquatic whilst Hyrule is entirely flooded would upset that balance, and so the Goddesses caused them to become the Rito.
I agree, it seems more like a divine transformation than a natural evolution. The Zora must have split, with some inhabiting the ocean depths and others staying on the surface and forsaking the waters.
The number of sea monsters and such in wind waker also substancially increased. I always took it as there's being evil in the waters so the Zora were forced to not keep going into the almost endlessly deep ocean due to the dangers in it, and were essentially forced out of the water by predators
looking upon the wind fish's skeleton fills me with nostalgia and an overwhelming sadness. not entirely sadness for the wind fish itself, but for the memories of koholint island.
I dunno if you checked out the remake on Switch, but it’s very solid. Great way to revisit. Though I’m positive it was meant for 3DS and they sent it to switch to jack the price. It has that diorama-look that makes for amazing 3D effects.
1 "panic moon thingy" that I encounter consistently is the one that respawns the linel linked to the Zora portion of the story after I defeat it. I take too much time collecting electric arrows and the moon brings it back in a hurry
I like to believe the 8th heroine is meant to reference Kasuto: the only town in Zelda II that did not get a sage or important character named after it later on… and even within Zelda II, it was both abandoned and hidden. Like the statue.
Just had this pop up on my feed, and I really enjoyed it!! I'd never heard the theory about the Eight Heroines representing eight races of Hyrule, and the idea of the Eighth Heroine representing the Zonai would be a really cool concept, especially since it would hopefully mean we'd find out a little more about it in TotK! The Eighth Heroine statue is one of my favorite mysteries of BotW, with the seemingly inexplicable puzzle of why and how the statue could possibly have gotten all the way to its current location so far from the Gerudo Desert, and especially how the sword somehow ended up on a mountain between the two... which, come to think about it, the Zonai's floating islands might have something to do with that!
The npc infatuated with the blood moon kinda creeps me out. His phrase, "Arise monsters!" reminds me of the TotK trailer presumably Ganondorf voice, "Arise, my servants!". Which was followed up by a Blood Moon that seems to empower monsters now instead of reviving them.
With the leviathans, the 3 NPC theories about extinction, drought, volcanic destruction, and ice age, correlate with the locations. Gerudo desert for drought, north Eldin for volcano, and Hebra for ice age
Lmao the “divine beast” prototype is a scrapped variant. Of the divine beasts. It is not supposed to be a whale like being. It is a manta ray. I thought everyone knew this lmao
Rito and Zora can both exist quite easily imo. Make the rito an offshoot from a another tribe of Zora. Kind of like how in real life, we have humans and apes together still. Not all apes evolved into humans. Could be the same for the Zora. At some point, maybe a split in the Zora tribe caused a difference in environmental needs and one tribe evolved in to the rito while the other remained Zora. Obviously this would have happened so far in the past that there is no record of it anymore, but it allows the possibility of both tribes with nothing to directly counter it. It's fun going back and watching some of these slightly older videos after the release of TotK and seeing what gets answered and what doesn't. Zonai questions are mostly answered though there does appear to be much that isn't answered, typhlo ruins darkness isn't answered, though now the darkness is gone. The Zonai and Sheikah could not have existed together as the Sheikah are created to serve the royal family, and by the time the "Royal Family" even begins, the Zonai are down to Rauru and his sister. So the Zonai mazes were likely less ancient, but still ancient by the time the sheikah used them for testing purposes. The 8th Heroine is Link or I suppose "The Hero", confirmed. That one is fully answered. One that I don't quite get is the Zonai being dubbed the ancient barbarian tribe. They were never barbarians, they were treated like gods by the ancient hyrulians themselves. The armor makes zero sense in regards to the Zonai as well. It isn't even remotely designed for a Zonai to wear. That basically means we have a whole ass tribe of ancient people unexplained.
I wouldn't mind Zelda being the navi/fi/midna that helps you, really hoping that first trailer is teasing some dungeon where the two have to work together and uncover secrets of the Zonai and Shieka.
Great video! My hope for the 8th heroine is that it IS a lost sage. In Zelda 2, all the towns are named after sages/icons. Except there's no sage named Kasuto! New Kasuto town is hidden in the mountains just like the statue, and the survivors of Old Kasuto may have been powerful magicians but had to "drop their swords" and flee when they were attacked by monsters.
Welp, turns out that the Eighth Heroine is actually the Eighth Hero, and it’s presumed that it might be one of the past Heroes (perhaps the Hero of Time).
@@keng4244 But completely expected for gerudo. Spoilers A man (voe) becoming a gerudo hero?! Nonsense! Turn him into a Vai! Later on and filled with regret, deletes hero from history. Ages later the legend of the missing 8th is born.
The Rito of Wind Waker are a special case, as they aren't natural and are changed by the gods possibly to keep them from finding the sunken kingdom... Some might not even count them as true Rito as they didn't have wings naturally, and only get them gifted to them from their patron Dragon at puberty.
Ok I know blood moons occur every 7 in-game days which is pretty frequent, but hear me out. Zelda is the one keeping Ganon's power in check. Every once-in-a-while, periodically, Zelda's ability to keep Ganon in check wanes. Maybe she's stressed or something? Anyway all we really know is it's tied to blood, and the cycle of the moon..... hrm.... all I know is bad cramps would definitely make it hard for me to focus on the Sealing Power.
@@wajmgirl The blood moon is also always a full moon. So perhaps we just see it as 7 in game days so you wouldn't have to play really long to even see one blood moon? Like I mostly had one or two a session so I'd only see it every second or even fourth session playing.
When I first played it blood moons kept happening every time I went to Hateno village, even during the day, so I thought there was something scary about that village and that monsters would attack the village so I avoided it as much as possible for a long time, or just went to sleep at the inn every time it happened. 😂 That might explain why I didn’t end up buying the soldier armour until really late in the game. The blood moon thing stopped happening after a while and I realised there’s nothing scary about Hateno. 😂
Wouldn't be surprised if the Zonai had to collectively give their lives to power the hand holding Ganondorf back. They were magical warriors after all and giving your life to stop the ultimate bad guy isn't such a bad idea.
the worst panic blood moon i ever got was when i left my game running while afk and came back. every few steps i would take there would be another blood moon. the problem was, i couldn't do anything to stop it like fast traveling, because i was in the middle of the southwestern gerudo desert sandstorm. blood moon after blood moon after blood moon, never getting more than a few seconds of gameplay between each time the cutscene played. it was creepy, sure, but also infuriating, as i didnt think to (or couldnt? im not sure which) save and reload, so because you cant fast travel out of sandstorms i just had to wander the sandstorm for real-life hours until i eventually made it to the shrine by the gerudo great skeleton... only to find that saving and reloading didnt fix it. i had to completely reset my wii u, power it off then back on. it was awful
Revisiting would be a bit of an understatement I made a promise to myself to get all the koroks and 100% the map before the game came out, and I finally did
Have you considered making a video on the connection between the Zonai and Twili? The luminous stones and glows the Zonai are known to have used have the same greenish glow as the Twili tattoos as seen on Midna, their ruins and labyrinths have this brutalist concrete-esque motif similar to the helmet Midna wears and other Twili architecture, they're both known to have been somewhat violent and proficient magic users, and most damningly part of the TOTK trailer has the Midna's Lament leitmotif in it when we're shown what I can only guess is something Zonai related based on the glow!
Botw takes place in a combined timeline both the hero of twilight and the hero of winds existed (both twilight princess and the wind waker happened) I have felling that we are going to learn why the timelines merged and that merging could explain some things. Like the Zora and Rito both existing being the most obvious. Demise being a time conquer and all I feel the timeline business is important.
I always wanted the hanging fish-like machine in the lab to be a submarine type thing Underwater exploration has always been a very under utilized aspect in Zelda (although Zelda fans have bad memories from water levels lol)
the Leviathans' theory killed me, I loved those whales in the previous games! I can't believe I've probably run around through their bones and took pictures...
I remember once I was going to the Yiga clan hideout to loot it after finishing Vah Naboris, until at one point a blood moon came randomly (the panic blood moon), even though it was 3:45 pm in the game. I thought maybe the Yiga clan could summon blood moons as they are working with ganon, but then once I was walking around somewhere where there were NO Yiga clan members until another panic blood moon came. I was quite confused, and I looked on youtube and found this video.
The blood moon theory reminded me of something that I totally forgot about! I was playing the game one day, quite a while ago, and I ended up getting a bunch of blood moons back to back, like five within the span of a single night. I still don’t know what caused it, but I know I was in the middle of an enemy camp and it was really annoying and more than a little eerie
Maybe you had what's called a panic moon? I'm not an expert on this, but from what I understand sometimes if the game gets too "stressed" it will freak out and start a blood moon randomly. The funniest thing is that this can happen in the middle of the day lol
I had that happen while hunting ice geese for their wings... for some reason. I ran through an area with a bunch of them and ice chu chu. Everytime I cleared the area and was about to leave the Blood Moon popped up, so I repeated the cycle until I had all the wings I wanted. I didn't even do it on purpose, the game just kind of decided to make my task much easier. My best guess, is killing all the enemies and causing all the drops in a short period of time forced the game to garbage collect the memory.
I wonder if Majora's Mask/the Moon and blood moon/Majora's power might be explained? I love that almost nothing has been revealed about the plot of the game so far. Pre-ordered mine...May 12th can't get here soon enough.
In the past month I've bought more games for my switch than I have in the three years I had access to a switch, I've literally have bought 20 games through sales to hold me over so I go into totk with as little knowledge of the game until I get it, same as you may 12 can not get here fast enough
i like how id never heard the zora rito evolution before, so my only theory came to me one day in horrific realization that somebody took their bond with their loftwing a bit too far if yk what i mean
The Rito and Zora being related had to with how in a section of Wind Waker you had to find the descendant of Laruto, the Sage of Earth. Turns out her descendant was no other than Medli, a Rito girl. Now then, there still a way to make them appear in BoTW, by somehow Laruto having a child with a Rito rather than the Rito being evolved Zora. We don't have much information about if other races apart of Hylians can become couples and have children with each other, and since the Gerudo have always born as such, even if pairing with Hylians, there is a likely scenario where mix race couples have children of one race or another. Anyway is just speculation.
For the rito and the Zora, I might have an answer. For botw to take place at the end of every timeline there has to have been some event that combined them all or shared things between them(kinda like the convergence in the witcher) so the rito are desendents from the adult timeline and the Zora are desendents from the child timeline
Really interesting Zelda video. Haven’t been to finish though other videos but I watched this whole entire video. Keep uploading more Zelda series you’re amazing at this.
Ganondorf is the eighth Gerudo hero. They removed him when he did what he did. Eliminating Ganon, as the only male hero, might relate to why the Gerudo keep all men out.
I know you're not taking from other timelines specifically. But my running theory is that due to the events of Hyrule Warriors, the broken timeline that starts with Ocarina of Time is repaired and all previous iterations of Legend of Zelda are combined. This means the Zora from the "Hero is Triumphant" timeline and the Rito from the "Ganon is Sealed" timeline can both exist in Breath of the Wild.
I think a good one I came up with is Zelda actually causes the blood moon as a way to reset and prevent Gannon from growing in strength. The reason being it's her every time that narrates it and it happens every time, every other time we hear Zelda as a narrator is when she speaks directly with us via telepathy. It's a small inconvenience for Link and a hard reset for Gannon.
Panic blood moons made sense as to why I had over a week of no blood moons (trying to do the shrine tied to it) and then got one 2 in game days after I finished the shrine
I assume the rito zora thing is just branched evolution like how we know the zora take on river zora forms in some games. Likely in the age of the wind waker some Dora’s evolved for the skies while the tougher ones stayed in the water
5:40 i think rito are descendants of the zora much in the way seals and otters are descendants of weasels and bears but we still have regular ground weasels and bears. species evolve, but the emergence of the new species doesn't always mean the original has to disappear. especially if the new species is just moving to a new ecosystem away from the old one. i think in wind waker rito emerged from a small group of zora. but the rest of the zora went on existing under the sea. we never encountered them in WW because we didn't need to. and they certainly never had enough business on what little land was left to see them walking around. but a tribe of zora high on a hill top could have adapted to flight instead of continuing on swimming after the flood. maybe the zora were utterly thriving and the ocean was becoming too crowded lol. so after the waters receded now there's both still carrying on. like dogs and wolves, or seals and land canines, and even birds and lizards. speaking of birds and lizards, you can argue that the dodongo dragon/dinosaur like creatures on and near death mountain could have evolved into rito like dinosaurs to birds on earth. the peak of death mountain being dragon roost island and some of the only land left above the flood. the entire reason the rito had zora theming can be sliced down to WW being rushed and the zora plans cut from the game and quickly added to the rito storyline where needed. to make that excuse work inside canon, you have to just assume zora and rito were in contact during the flood but the zora weren't willing to converse with hylians so rito took up the mantle in spiritual matters of guiding the next hylian hero
This video was better than I expected 🎉 I understood that the Zora and the Ritos have a common ancestor and during the extinction some evolved to the air and other to the water. They are related to each other as humans are to chimpanzees as far as I got it
The placement of the botw timeline is placed at the end where all of the time lines after separating come back in to botw totk will be the GREAT reset that goes back to skyward sword
Adding to your 8 Heroine theory, of the statues as the races. If you are correct I believe after the Zonai became a savage tribe, those who built the statues possibly the Sheikah, have taken the statue away due to the forgotten tribe A.K.A the Zonai savageness.
dude zelda theories are just the best istg, no other game has crazy and just amazing theories as the zelda series, especially since the developers put things in the games to have fans theorize about everything
Nintendo already confirmed BOTW placement in the timeline. It merges all three timelines together at the end. The Zelda devs also stated that some of the games are actual events, while others were simply myths.
It's slightly inaccurate to say that the 7 heroines were built on location, they're too set apart and not in the face of the cliff, it looks like They were moved from elsewhere, especially since the material attached to their backs they're carved out of is different than the cliff around. Which brings up loads more questions. But onto another fun fact Did you know that since the shrine map is different from the ovwrworld, you can enter a shrine before a blood moon activates, and leave right after midnight to prevent the spawning of enemies? Try it for a fun no enemies run
I personally think tears of the kingdom is going to delve into the Twili just like Twilight Princess did. I also think tears of the kingdom is going to dedicate the exact same amount of time into delving into the Zonai. It's odd how similar those names add up. Especially when you consider the eight heroin statues and the fact that the Twili were banished using the mirror of twilight. It's obvious where I'm going with this but my proposal is that the zonai and the Twili are the same.
I'd love it if TOTK featured a timestone-like mechanic. Maybe it could tie in with the Recall ability. We could see many places on the map as they were at various times throughout Hyrule's history. (I initial thought that would be the main way they would change up the map, but it seems they went vertical.) The Forgotten Temple. The Leviathans themselves (similar to the dead dragon in Lanayru in Skyward Sword), or as you said, the Twili. Arbirter's Ground is buried in sand in BOTW, but maybe we could see it in a time when the mirror was still being used. It could be one of the game's dungeons. Maybe Link uses the mirror and meets Midna. I already have a feeling we'll see Fi again. Link seems to carry something on his hip that resembles the spirit vessel. This game will likely take themes from TP. As well as SS obviously with the sky islands.
I like the Twili but the descriptions of the Zonai to are more physical in nature. I think the Zonai could have been a Kingdom that included then however.
I find it odd to point this out, that shes a female. But yes, i guess that IS pretty cool. The gaming community is a very welcoming community as far as diversity I think. Your comment makes me feel like im missing somthing, idk
I point gender out in my comment specifically because it is important to build that description into the algorithm (for future searches) and support small creators who don't fall into the usual suspects. I don't support all creators and good content speaks for itself. But actively choosing creators whose businesses fall under banners like female owned, create and foster the more diverse points of view I am looking for.
I find lore and exploration videos like this really interesting. I watch ones for games that I have never played, when done well they are so enjoyable. Although Zelda is instantly recognisable, i don't think I have played a single second of any Zelda game. I had friends who had some of them, but back then I was a Sega loyalist. Great work, well written and presented, interesting and relaxing. keep expanding your horizons.
@@zeonmoo192 Kind of feeling my age now, don't seem to be able to rewire my brain like I used to. Older games have a familiarity about them that's quite comforting.
I never understood why Zoras would have evolved to Ritos because of the Great Flood of Wind Waker. Fish do work well with water, no? Why would they turn into birds?
Some theories state that maybe it's because the sea got infested with sea monsters, which would be an obstacle to building a proper society under water
6 sages and Zelda's the seventh. It was a reference to Link to the Past having the Seven Sage's descendants, one being Zelda. Link Between Worlds seems to add an eighth though.
Now that we have TotK, how does the Zonai ruins actually connect to the Zonai we are shown? The Zonai weren't Hylians, but basically alien goat people and advanced way beyond even the Shiekah apparently. They are less barbarians and more ancient alien/astronaut conspiracy theories come to life with some mysticism thrown in. I guess the "barbarian people" could be ancient Hylians before they uplifted them, but that doesn't explain how there isn't any iconography of the Zonai before TotK or whats with the weird "darkness" that infects their ruins.
My favorite theory is that the first Hyrule Warriors game combined the timelines resulting in Breath of the Wild's references to all the previous games.
I think a simple option for the Rito and Zora would be that a particular chunk of Zora, through magic or natural selection or some combination of the two began to develop to fill a particular ecological niche while the broader Zora population survived, or at least enough of a remnant remained that yhey could repopulate. Alternatively, they could just share a particular common ancestor amd be divergent evolution.
I feel like something people forget about Rito and Zora theories is that evolution is not a pipelined event for an entire species species split up and separately evolve, that's why we can still hangout with orangutangs it's possible that (as elaborated in some other comments), one descending tribe spread elsewhere off screen of one game, etc etc they continued to evolve
One of the best theories for where in the timeline BotW falls is from a fanfic I've read a couple times now (Rise of the Zeldan Technocratic Union on Spacebattles, for the curious); basically the BotW timeline is what you get when a prior Link, a prior Zelda, and a presumably less mummified at the time Maz Koshia lay their hands upon the Triforce and wish for the timelines to be reunited. Presumably they'd had some issue with the timelines conflicting. (Actually a Zelda game where you bounce between the different established timelines WOULD be cool-for bonus points they could even have Link incarnate in one and Zelda in another.) Also amusing in that if canonically the BotW era is after the timelines got fixed, then the events of Age of Calamity's ending break it again.
I have two pretty simple answers to the Zora/Rito dilemna. Divergent evolution and convergent evolution seem to be great answers. So the simpler answer seems to be that when the Zora fled the flood in Windwaker that not all of them chose to hide on land. A small population took to the mountains, while a larger population fled to the sea when the flood began. One population became the birdlike Rito as they are in Windwaker, while the other remained the fishlike Zora. The other answer does seem to at least imply that evolution has happened, albeit differently than the first. With what happens to the Zora/Rito of the Windwaker being unclear, we might have a different species entirely evolve into what is Breath of the Wild's Rito and assume that they are ancestors of the ancient at this point Rito tribe. The Zora could have fled to the seas before Windwaker or even evolve back into the fishlike creatures they once were after the conclusion and this still works.
Amazing video ! I just discovered your channel, and even if I've already heared about all these mysteries, you really bring a new light on them Narration really smooth too :)
@@Gyashonav well the alternate timeline from SS would have OOT as one of its fixed points like Twilight and WW given that if played out right a single timeline could be formed with twilight happening before WW where the loss of the hero after Twilight could have cause the flooding. the areas in twilight could be various areas in WW. cause the story of WW is that the hero disappeared and didnt return. OOT link after returning to cause ganon to be sealed away before the events could have become the Stalfos in Twilight teaching the Twilight link who could have disappeared due to the influence of the twilight magic upon him and the ability to go between the physical and spiritual realm. due to that the hero would have disappeared and when ganondorf returned there would be no hero and thus the flooding. with BOTW taking place centuries after there would be a posibility of hidden zora sealed away in their domain plus links awakening could take place after the flood but well before WW started. allowing for the account of the three leviathan skeletons from three different timelines but the one we followed before BOTW was the main split in which demise was defeated in the future. in SS he was essentially resealed in the past/ squashed by the goddess statue which could equate to the forgotten temple as demise's curse happened in a timeline that he had been freed from a normal seal but crossed through time possibly effecting the past version of his squashed self....i mean thats just my thought process since i always saw SS and OOT as fixed points in the entire timeline due to both being the only ones with time jumping mechanics. so technically even in the alternate SS , BOTW would still be after OOT by thousands of years and with the interwoven narrative of semi alternate events could account for all the inclusions from other timelines. cause the zonai are not prominant in any timeline but their style of stuff and the advance mechanics of sheika are similar to the tech in SS and one of the Bosses in the Minish cap/WW gods tower boss. sorry for how long this is
Also referring to the Zora and rito, couldn't it be both? If it's been 10,000 years, evolution can do a lot. Maybe the rito and Zora were originally the same race, starting from their more humanoid looks in wind waker, maybe they got separated and half of them regressed back into fish, and from there they just evolved separately. At this point in history it's been so long that their shared evolution is wiped from history
My personal theory with the Rito and Zora is that the Rito in BOTW aren't the same from Wind Waker. The current ones evovled from just birds like Loftwings, and have been dubbed Rito due to their similarities. The WW Rito then went back to the current Zora after a while, therefore the difference between the OOT Zora and BOTW Zora.
the false bloodmoon and the zonai tribe + things about the typhlo ruins were answered tho you can actively force false bloodmoons really easy by lagging the game so it is a fact that its a safe switch to reduce lag. and the typhlo ruins arent zonai made but hylian made.
@@way2dawn853 false bloodmoon absolutely was not answered by totk lmao. it's just a game mechanic. i will give you that the typhlo ruins was answered tho lol, i forgot about that one
@@pinkcatminht you even answered it yourself "Its just a mechanic" Yes exactly. Its just a mechanic for reducing lag lmao. Theres no story part. Noone ever talks about it ingame and we exactly know why, how and when it happens. So whats not clear about it?
@@pinkcatminht yes because its never mentioned ingame So why would it be explained ingame Doesnt make ANY sense Like saving and loading the game doesnt get explained ingame too
It's highly unlikely they load all enemy flags at boot-up (particularly considering the large number of enemies, their positions, their current stats, and as well as other states about them). Considering the context in which you would have to track them it would certainly make sense to have a mechanism in place to purge memory of the defeated enemies you're tracking so when Link enters a given area you can do a check against what you've tracked and make a determination if the enemy should spawn. A blood mood would be a rather clever way for Nintendo to hide that they are indeed clearing memory buffers of tracked enemy data because to not do so would likely lead to two possible games states; one, it would create an opportunity to create buffer overflows by the player to break the game or two; the game would just keep respawning enemies you already recently destroyed or would never respawn because their state is never reset. I could believe that data that's already been actively tracked would load when you load your file, but loading ALL enemy flags seems incredibly unoptimized from a development team known for its engineering feats with regard to data storage compression and dynamic memory allocation/optimization. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to claim here, but your statements in the video seem in conflict with earlier comments regarding panic blood moons.
@@LainK1978 But that would mean storing that data somewhere either in cached memory or written to non-volatile storage which the latter sounds like a terrible idea for performance reasons and wasteful writes to some kind of NAND storage. The trade-off is happening somewhere and it's more likely to be the former which means the blood moon sequence would be a good opportunity to reset default flags held in memory to avoid memory leaks.
Breath of the Wild's placement in the Timeline is explicitly known. It is at the end of all the timelines. All games which have currently been released happen more than 10,000 years before Breath of the Wild. When Tears of the Kingdom releases it will be the first and only game (until more are released) to occur after Breath of the Wild.
BOTWS Place in the Timeline is not unkown. It is confirmed to connect the three timelines and plays after all other games we have to his point. Nintendo made that canon.
0:54 everytime i hear leviathan, just because of Subnautica, now i feel like I want to play a Zelda-Subnautica crossover, think like Wind Waker Horror.
Evolution is rarely a straight line. When one species evolves from another, it's not like the first literally becomes the next. Rather, the new species branches away while the old species continues to live on, hence why evolution is compared to a tree by a lot of people.
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Considering everything we've learned about the Zonai in TOTK, there's still a lot we don't know. How does the Barbarian Set connect to the Zonai? Why was Thyphlo Ruins shrouded in pitch darkness? What is the connection between the Shiekah and the Zonai? Everything we learned seems to have just led to more questions.
2:02 in terms of timeline placement, I reckon that Botw (and by extension, Totk) are so so sooooo far into the future in comparison to even the most recent game before Botw. Like, 1000s of years before even the 10,000 year thing between the first appearance of Calamity Ganon and the one that happens in Botw Near prehistoric in comparison
5:39 My hypothesis is that because there are two sub species of Zora (Sea Zora and River Zora) - (Let’s say in this example it’s the river Zora) Perhaps the ecosystem of one of those populations was destroyed leaving them isolated from their coastal cousins. Forcing them to adapt.
Spoiler maybe idk so my thought process is this BASED OFF TOTK. There were 7 sages.. 1 Gerudo (Sage of Lightning) 1 Zora (Sage of Water) 1 Rito (Sage of Wind) 1 Goron (Sage of Fire) Mineru (Sage of Spirit) Rauru (Sage of Sacred Power) Zelda (Sage of Time) thats 7 sages. My theory is the 8th hero is Link. My reasoning.. Link was not in the same time zelda was sent to. So the position of the hero so far away from the sages would be represented as him being not around or out of their time. But thats my theory on the metaphor of it.
two of the divine beast (forgot their names because i have played the game in a long time) are based off an elephant and a camel but they don't seem to exist in hyrule
My theory is that the 8th heroine is Ganondorf because it is said that the 8th heroine is worshipped by those who live in that land and the only civilization near the statue is the Yiga Clan Hideout
Interestingly enough Zora and Rito have coexisted on the timeline before. While not present in Wind Waker itself the "Geozards" in Phantom Hourglass and Spirit tracks (both direct sequels to Wind Waker) are refered to as "Zora Warriors" in several official guides and are virtually identical to the aggressive fire breathing "river zora" of early games in the series. The violent river Zora and friendly sea Zora already represent two branches of the species so a third branch in the Rito isn't a stretch (although a flood turning fish into birds is a stretch and I wouldn't blame Nintendo wanting to retcon that nonsense).
I recall one theory as to why the Zora became the Rito in Wind Waker is that the Goddesses wanted to maintain a balance of power between the various races of Hyrule. The Zora remaining aquatic whilst Hyrule is entirely flooded would upset that balance, and so the Goddesses caused them to become the Rito.
I agree, it seems more like a divine transformation than a natural evolution. The Zora must have split, with some inhabiting the ocean depths and others staying on the surface and forsaking the waters.
The number of sea monsters and such in wind waker also substancially increased. I always took it as there's being evil in the waters so the Zora were forced to not keep going into the almost endlessly deep ocean due to the dangers in it, and were essentially forced out of the water by predators
Idea:
Zora where in Wind Waker, but we never saw them because there's a LOT more under water then we every see.
@@MiningwithPudding true
looking upon the wind fish's skeleton fills me with nostalgia and an overwhelming sadness. not entirely sadness for the wind fish itself, but for the memories of koholint island.
one can only hope Marin was able to live her winged life to the fullest...
I dunno if you checked out the remake on Switch, but it’s very solid. Great way to revisit. Though I’m positive it was meant for 3DS and they sent it to switch to jack the price. It has that diorama-look that makes for amazing 3D effects.
@@bungalowfeuhler1541 I just finished the remake before I made that comment actually. Was a very great remake. I loved it.
1 "panic moon thingy" that I encounter consistently is the one that respawns the linel linked to the Zora portion of the story after I defeat it. I take too much time collecting electric arrows and the moon brings it back in a hurry
I like to believe the 8th heroine is meant to reference Kasuto: the only town in Zelda II that did not get a sage or important character named after it later on… and even within Zelda II, it was both abandoned and hidden. Like the statue.
Just had this pop up on my feed, and I really enjoyed it!! I'd never heard the theory about the Eight Heroines representing eight races of Hyrule, and the idea of the Eighth Heroine representing the Zonai would be a really cool concept, especially since it would hopefully mean we'd find out a little more about it in TotK! The Eighth Heroine statue is one of my favorite mysteries of BotW, with the seemingly inexplicable puzzle of why and how the statue could possibly have gotten all the way to its current location so far from the Gerudo Desert, and especially how the sword somehow ended up on a mountain between the two... which, come to think about it, the Zonai's floating islands might have something to do with that!
The npc infatuated with the blood moon kinda creeps me out. His phrase, "Arise monsters!" reminds me of the TotK trailer presumably Ganondorf voice, "Arise, my servants!". Which was followed up by a Blood Moon that seems to empower monsters now instead of reviving them.
I get that he wants to research it. But, the Yiga might also be interested in his findings.
With the leviathans, the 3 NPC theories about extinction, drought, volcanic destruction, and ice age, correlate with the locations. Gerudo desert for drought, north Eldin for volcano, and Hebra for ice age
And there's a theory that they could represent Zelda's 3 timeline as they all have evidence so the answer is basically yes
Lmao the “divine beast” prototype is a scrapped variant. Of the divine beasts. It is not supposed to be a whale like being. It is a manta ray. I thought everyone knew this lmao
@@PhantasticMrPhrog The ray was from the book art, the in the lab is a whale
Rito and Zora can both exist quite easily imo. Make the rito an offshoot from a another tribe of Zora. Kind of like how in real life, we have humans and apes together still. Not all apes evolved into humans. Could be the same for the Zora. At some point, maybe a split in the Zora tribe caused a difference in environmental needs and one tribe evolved in to the rito while the other remained Zora. Obviously this would have happened so far in the past that there is no record of it anymore, but it allows the possibility of both tribes with nothing to directly counter it.
It's fun going back and watching some of these slightly older videos after the release of TotK and seeing what gets answered and what doesn't. Zonai questions are mostly answered though there does appear to be much that isn't answered, typhlo ruins darkness isn't answered, though now the darkness is gone. The Zonai and Sheikah could not have existed together as the Sheikah are created to serve the royal family, and by the time the "Royal Family" even begins, the Zonai are down to Rauru and his sister. So the Zonai mazes were likely less ancient, but still ancient by the time the sheikah used them for testing purposes.
The 8th Heroine is Link or I suppose "The Hero", confirmed. That one is fully answered.
One that I don't quite get is the Zonai being dubbed the ancient barbarian tribe. They were never barbarians, they were treated like gods by the ancient hyrulians themselves. The armor makes zero sense in regards to the Zonai as well. It isn't even remotely designed for a Zonai to wear. That basically means we have a whole ass tribe of ancient people unexplained.
I wouldn't mind Zelda being the navi/fi/midna that helps you, really hoping that first trailer is teasing some dungeon where the two have to work together and uncover secrets of the Zonai and Shieka.
Great video! My hope for the 8th heroine is that it IS a lost sage. In Zelda 2, all the towns are named after sages/icons. Except there's no sage named Kasuto! New Kasuto town is hidden in the mountains just like the statue, and the survivors of Old Kasuto may have been powerful magicians but had to "drop their swords" and flee when they were attacked by monsters.
Welp, turns out that the Eighth Heroine is actually the Eighth Hero, and it’s presumed that it might be one of the past Heroes (perhaps the Hero of Time).
@@apollosgadfly I was so disappointed in this "resolution". I honestly expected more.
@@keng4244 But completely expected for gerudo.
Spoilers
A man (voe) becoming a gerudo hero?! Nonsense! Turn him into a Vai!
Later on and filled with regret, deletes hero from history.
Ages later the legend of the missing 8th is born.
I’m guessing that the Rito in Botw are a branch of the Zora that evolved into what they are now, while the zora remained mostly the same
The Rito of Wind Waker are a special case, as they aren't natural and are changed by the gods possibly to keep them from finding the sunken kingdom...
Some might not even count them as true Rito as they didn't have wings naturally, and only get them gifted to them from their patron Dragon at puberty.
Ok I know blood moons occur every 7 in-game days which is pretty frequent, but hear me out. Zelda is the one keeping Ganon's power in check. Every once-in-a-while, periodically, Zelda's ability to keep Ganon in check wanes. Maybe she's stressed or something? Anyway all we really know is it's tied to blood, and the cycle of the moon..... hrm.... all I know is bad cramps would definitely make it hard for me to focus on the Sealing Power.
That’s once a month.
@@wajmgirl I mean we don't know the menstrual cycles of the hylian women, maybe they have weekly periods
Joy, sexism in RUclips. My favorite.
@@jaythesiren how is this sexism? Women have a menstrual cycle, thats just a fact.
@@wajmgirl The blood moon is also always a full moon. So perhaps we just see it as 7 in game days so you wouldn't have to play really long to even see one blood moon? Like I mostly had one or two a session so I'd only see it every second or even fourth session playing.
When I first played it blood moons kept happening every time I went to Hateno village, even during the day, so I thought there was something scary about that village and that monsters would attack the village so I avoided it as much as possible for a long time, or just went to sleep at the inn every time it happened. 😂 That might explain why I didn’t end up buying the soldier armour until really late in the game. The blood moon thing stopped happening after a while and I realised there’s nothing scary about Hateno. 😂
Well there were/are River and Ocean Zora, so it makes sense for Rito and Zora to both still exist.
Wouldn't be surprised if the Zonai had to collectively give their lives to power the hand holding Ganondorf back. They were magical warriors after all and giving your life to stop the ultimate bad guy isn't such a bad idea.
A year later and you basically got it spot on
the worst panic blood moon i ever got was when i left my game running while afk and came back. every few steps i would take there would be another blood moon. the problem was, i couldn't do anything to stop it like fast traveling, because i was in the middle of the southwestern gerudo desert sandstorm. blood moon after blood moon after blood moon, never getting more than a few seconds of gameplay between each time the cutscene played. it was creepy, sure, but also infuriating, as i didnt think to (or couldnt? im not sure which) save and reload, so because you cant fast travel out of sandstorms i just had to wander the sandstorm for real-life hours until i eventually made it to the shrine by the gerudo great skeleton... only to find that saving and reloading didnt fix it. i had to completely reset my wii u, power it off then back on. it was awful
Revisiting would be a bit of an understatement I made a promise to myself to get all the koroks and 100% the map before the game came out, and I finally did
Have you considered making a video on the connection between the Zonai and Twili?
The luminous stones and glows the Zonai are known to have used have the same greenish glow as the Twili tattoos as seen on Midna, their ruins and labyrinths have this brutalist concrete-esque motif similar to the helmet Midna wears and other Twili architecture, they're both known to have been somewhat violent and proficient magic users, and most damningly part of the TOTK trailer has the Midna's Lament leitmotif in it when we're shown what I can only guess is something Zonai related based on the glow!
yep! i have a few ideas planned for that theory video- hopefully releasing before TotK!
Botw takes place in a combined timeline both the hero of twilight and the hero of winds existed (both twilight princess and the wind waker happened) I have felling that we are going to learn why the timelines merged and that merging could explain some things. Like the Zora and Rito both existing being the most obvious.
Demise being a time conquer and all I feel the timeline business is important.
I always wanted the hanging fish-like machine in the lab to be a submarine type thing
Underwater exploration has always been a very under utilized aspect in Zelda (although Zelda fans have bad memories from water levels lol)
the Leviathans' theory killed me, I loved those whales in the previous games! I can't believe I've probably run around through their bones and took pictures...
I remember once I was going to the Yiga clan hideout to loot it after finishing Vah Naboris, until at one point a blood moon came randomly (the panic blood moon), even though it was 3:45 pm in the game. I thought maybe the Yiga clan could summon blood moons as they are working with ganon, but then once I was walking around somewhere where there were NO Yiga clan members until another panic blood moon came. I was quite confused, and I looked on youtube and found this video.
The blood moon theory reminded me of something that I totally forgot about! I was playing the game one day, quite a while ago, and I ended up getting a bunch of blood moons back to back, like five within the span of a single night. I still don’t know what caused it, but I know I was in the middle of an enemy camp and it was really annoying and more than a little eerie
Maybe you had what's called a panic moon? I'm not an expert on this, but from what I understand sometimes if the game gets too "stressed" it will freak out and start a blood moon randomly. The funniest thing is that this can happen in the middle of the day lol
I had that happen while hunting ice geese for their wings... for some reason. I ran through an area with a bunch of them and ice chu chu. Everytime I cleared the area and was about to leave the Blood Moon popped up, so I repeated the cycle until I had all the wings I wanted.
I didn't even do it on purpose, the game just kind of decided to make my task much easier.
My best guess, is killing all the enemies and causing all the drops in a short period of time forced the game to garbage collect the memory.
I wonder if Majora's Mask/the Moon and blood moon/Majora's power might be explained? I love that almost nothing has been revealed about the plot of the game so far. Pre-ordered mine...May 12th can't get here soon enough.
In the past month I've bought more games for my switch than I have in the three years I had access to a switch, I've literally have bought 20 games through sales to hold me over so I go into totk with as little knowledge of the game until I get it, same as you may 12 can not get here fast enough
i like how id never heard the zora rito evolution before, so my only theory came to me one day in horrific realization that somebody took their bond with their loftwing a bit too far if yk what i mean
The Rito and Zora being related had to with how in a section of Wind Waker you had to find the descendant of Laruto, the Sage of Earth. Turns out her descendant was no other than Medli, a Rito girl.
Now then, there still a way to make them appear in BoTW, by somehow Laruto having a child with a Rito rather than the Rito being evolved Zora. We don't have much information about if other races apart of Hylians can become couples and have children with each other, and since the Gerudo have always born as such, even if pairing with Hylians, there is a likely scenario where mix race couples have children of one race or another.
Anyway is just speculation.
The Heroines are just the Gerudo's interpretation of the Seven Sages and the Hero of Time
When it comes to the Zonai, we are now left with more questions than answers.
This was a very interesting video, great work.
For the rito and the Zora, I might have an answer. For botw to take place at the end of every timeline there has to have been some event that combined them all or shared things between them(kinda like the convergence in the witcher) so the rito are desendents from the adult timeline and the Zora are desendents from the child timeline
I just got flashbacks from the silent realm when you started talking about the 8th heroine LMAO
Really interesting Zelda video. Haven’t been to finish though other videos but I watched this whole entire video. Keep uploading more Zelda series you’re amazing at this.
That's a VERY cool thumbnail, hooked me in! I wasn't disappointed, great video!
cheers! thank you so much!
Ganondorf is the eighth Gerudo hero. They removed him when he did what he did. Eliminating Ganon, as the only male hero, might relate to why the Gerudo keep all men out.
i hope to see more videos of you talking about breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom i liked this video and your voice has a relaxing vibe
Appreciate the filmography! The slow environmental pans added meaningfully to the narrative! Keep it up 😄
thank u! ☺️
I know you're not taking from other timelines specifically. But my running theory is that due to the events of Hyrule Warriors, the broken timeline that starts with Ocarina of Time is repaired and all previous iterations of Legend of Zelda are combined. This means the Zora from the "Hero is Triumphant" timeline and the Rito from the "Ganon is Sealed" timeline can both exist in Breath of the Wild.
I think a good one I came up with is Zelda actually causes the blood moon as a way to reset and prevent Gannon from growing in strength. The reason being it's her every time that narrates it and it happens every time, every other time we hear Zelda as a narrator is when she speaks directly with us via telepathy. It's a small inconvenience for Link and a hard reset for Gannon.
Panic blood moons made sense as to why I had over a week of no blood moons (trying to do the shrine tied to it) and then got one 2 in game days after I finished the shrine
I assume the rito zora thing is just branched evolution like how we know the zora take on river zora forms in some games. Likely in the age of the wind waker some Dora’s evolved for the skies while the tougher ones stayed in the water
The Rito from BotW are the Fokka from ZII. Them sharing a name with the birdfolk from Wind Waker is purely coincodential.
5:40 i think rito are descendants of the zora much in the way seals and otters are descendants of weasels and bears but we still have regular ground weasels and bears. species evolve, but the emergence of the new species doesn't always mean the original has to disappear. especially if the new species is just moving to a new ecosystem away from the old one.
i think in wind waker rito emerged from a small group of zora. but the rest of the zora went on existing under the sea. we never encountered them in WW because we didn't need to. and they certainly never had enough business on what little land was left to see them walking around. but a tribe of zora high on a hill top could have adapted to flight instead of continuing on swimming after the flood. maybe the zora were utterly thriving and the ocean was becoming too crowded lol. so after the waters receded now there's both still carrying on. like dogs and wolves, or seals and land canines, and even birds and lizards.
speaking of birds and lizards, you can argue that the dodongo dragon/dinosaur like creatures on and near death mountain could have evolved into rito like dinosaurs to birds on earth. the peak of death mountain being dragon roost island and some of the only land left above the flood. the entire reason the rito had zora theming can be sliced down to WW being rushed and the zora plans cut from the game and quickly added to the rito storyline where needed. to make that excuse work inside canon, you have to just assume zora and rito were in contact during the flood but the zora weren't willing to converse with hylians so rito took up the mantle in spiritual matters of guiding the next hylian hero
I can't believe that the Zonai were called Barbarians when they were so technologically advanced, seemingly on par with the Shiekah, if not more so
I read a theory somewhere that the eighth heroine was actually Ganondorf's birth mother and that's why she was removed.
This video was better than I expected 🎉
I understood that the Zora and the Ritos have a common ancestor and during the extinction some evolved to the air and other to the water.
They are related to each other as humans are to chimpanzees as far as I got it
The placement of the botw timeline is placed at the end where all of the time lines after separating come back in to botw totk will be the GREAT reset that goes back to skyward sword
2:13 this is actually just an easter egg! It's an old design from some concept art for one of the divine beasts (specifically vah ruta i believe)
Having played the game and completing a quest related to the 7 heroins the 8th has an unexpected secret
Adding to your 8 Heroine theory, of the statues as the races. If you are correct I believe after the Zonai became a savage tribe, those who built the statues possibly the Sheikah, have taken the statue away due to the forgotten tribe A.K.A the Zonai savageness.
Only issue with that is that the 8th Heroine is built into the mountain, it’s fused to the rock
dude zelda theories are just the best istg, no other game has crazy and just amazing theories as the zelda series, especially since the developers put things in the games to have fans theorize about everything
“For those who are just beginning Link’s adventures”
**stabs greatsword through head**
Nintendo already confirmed BOTW placement in the timeline. It merges all three timelines together at the end. The Zelda devs also stated that some of the games are actual events, while others were simply myths.
Do more BOTW please. I like your style.
thank you! and will do!
It's slightly inaccurate to say that the 7 heroines were built on location, they're too set apart and not in the face of the cliff, it looks like They were moved from elsewhere, especially since the material attached to their backs they're carved out of is different than the cliff around.
Which brings up loads more questions. But onto another fun fact
Did you know that since the shrine map is different from the ovwrworld, you can enter a shrine before a blood moon activates, and leave right after midnight to prevent the spawning of enemies? Try it for a fun no enemies run
10:28 Nintendo said breath of the wild takes place at the end of all timelines
I personally think tears of the kingdom is going to delve into the Twili just like Twilight Princess did. I also think tears of the kingdom is going to dedicate the exact same amount of time into delving into the Zonai. It's odd how similar those names add up. Especially when you consider the eight heroin statues and the fact that the Twili were banished using the mirror of twilight. It's obvious where I'm going with this but my proposal is that the zonai and the Twili are the same.
I'd love it if TOTK featured a timestone-like mechanic. Maybe it could tie in with the Recall ability. We could see many places on the map as they were at various times throughout Hyrule's history. (I initial thought that would be the main way they would change up the map, but it seems they went vertical.) The Forgotten Temple. The Leviathans themselves (similar to the dead dragon in Lanayru in Skyward Sword), or as you said, the Twili. Arbirter's Ground is buried in sand in BOTW, but maybe we could see it in a time when the mirror was still being used. It could be one of the game's dungeons. Maybe Link uses the mirror and meets Midna. I already have a feeling we'll see Fi again. Link seems to carry something on his hip that resembles the spirit vessel. This game will likely take themes from TP. As well as SS obviously with the sky islands.
I like the Twili but the descriptions of the Zonai to are more physical in nature. I think the Zonai could have been a Kingdom that included then however.
I love supporting female zelda theorists because as a 25 year fan there isn't enough diversity in the takes. Subbed.
I find it odd to point this out, that shes a female. But yes, i guess that IS pretty cool. The gaming community is a very welcoming community as far as diversity I think. Your comment makes me feel like im missing somthing, idk
Why does it matter if it's a girl or not? The only thing that matters is she does good content
I point gender out in my comment specifically because it is important to build that description into the algorithm (for future searches) and support small creators who don't fall into the usual suspects. I don't support all creators and good content speaks for itself. But actively choosing creators whose businesses fall under banners like female owned, create and foster the more diverse points of view I am looking for.
That is the most vapid reason I ever heard.
@@Stormborn-yd9do No it doesn't, its the same view anyone else can have, your just clicking boxes.
I find lore and exploration videos like this really interesting. I watch ones for games that I have never played, when done well they are so enjoyable. Although Zelda is instantly recognisable, i don't think I have played a single second of any Zelda game. I had friends who had some of them, but back then I was a Sega loyalist. Great work, well written and presented, interesting and relaxing. keep expanding your horizons.
Are you planning on trying out a Zelda game soon? You definitely should!
@@zeonmoo192 Kind of feeling my age now, don't seem to be able to rewire my brain like I used to. Older games have a familiarity about them that's quite comforting.
I never understood why Zoras would have evolved to Ritos because of the Great Flood of Wind Waker. Fish do work well with water, no? Why would they turn into birds?
Some theories state that maybe it's because the sea got infested with sea monsters, which would be an obstacle to building a proper society under water
it was explained... it's not natural evolution, it was specifically done by the gods to keep them from rediscovering Hyrule.
@@keiyakins where?
In oot, there are the 7 sages and Zelda is said to be the leader of them. So, it may be possible the 8th heroine is suppose to be Zelda.
6 sages and Zelda's the seventh. It was a reference to Link to the Past having the Seven Sage's descendants, one being Zelda.
Link Between Worlds seems to add an eighth though.
Now that we have TotK, how does the Zonai ruins actually connect to the Zonai we are shown? The Zonai weren't Hylians, but basically alien goat people and advanced way beyond even the Shiekah apparently. They are less barbarians and more ancient alien/astronaut conspiracy theories come to life with some mysticism thrown in.
I guess the "barbarian people" could be ancient Hylians before they uplifted them, but that doesn't explain how there isn't any iconography of the Zonai before TotK or whats with the weird "darkness" that infects their ruins.
My favorite theory is that the first Hyrule Warriors game combined the timelines resulting in Breath of the Wild's references to all the previous games.
I think a simple option for the Rito and Zora would be that a particular chunk of Zora, through magic or natural selection or some combination of the two began to develop to fill a particular ecological niche while the broader Zora population survived, or at least enough of a remnant remained that yhey could repopulate.
Alternatively, they could just share a particular common ancestor amd be divergent evolution.
I feel like something people forget about Rito and Zora theories is that evolution is not a pipelined event for an entire species
species split up and separately evolve, that's why we can still hangout with orangutangs
it's possible that (as elaborated in some other comments), one descending tribe spread elsewhere off screen of one game, etc etc they continued to evolve
One of the best theories for where in the timeline BotW falls is from a fanfic I've read a couple times now (Rise of the Zeldan Technocratic Union on Spacebattles, for the curious); basically the BotW timeline is what you get when a prior Link, a prior Zelda, and a presumably less mummified at the time Maz Koshia lay their hands upon the Triforce and wish for the timelines to be reunited. Presumably they'd had some issue with the timelines conflicting. (Actually a Zelda game where you bounce between the different established timelines WOULD be cool-for bonus points they could even have Link incarnate in one and Zelda in another.) Also amusing in that if canonically the BotW era is after the timelines got fixed, then the events of Age of Calamity's ending break it again.
I'm guessing by now everyone's learned why the Eighth Hero was forgotten.
I have two pretty simple answers to the Zora/Rito dilemna. Divergent evolution and convergent evolution seem to be great answers.
So the simpler answer seems to be that when the Zora fled the flood in Windwaker that not all of them chose to hide on land. A small population took to the mountains, while a larger population fled to the sea when the flood began. One population became the birdlike Rito as they are in Windwaker, while the other remained the fishlike Zora.
The other answer does seem to at least imply that evolution has happened, albeit differently than the first. With what happens to the Zora/Rito of the Windwaker being unclear, we might have a different species entirely evolve into what is Breath of the Wild's Rito and assume that they are ancestors of the ancient at this point Rito tribe. The Zora could have fled to the seas before Windwaker or even evolve back into the fishlike creatures they once were after the conclusion and this still works.
Amazing video ! I just discovered your channel, and even if I've already heared about all these mysteries, you really bring a new light on them
Narration really smooth too :)
My first panic blood moon was the bridge above the golf minigame. My second was in front of the yiga hideout
Video is actually well made. Not bad for a first impression. Sub.
3:12 like a giant spotlight attached to the front of a motorcycle, for example :)
2:37 Fans took "Zonai" from Creating a Champion's information about the various different architectural styles across Hyrule.
my theory about the whole timeline shenanigans is that its an offshoot from the skyward sword split that has a canonical mix of the three timelines
Although that would make alot of sence, Nintendo conformed that btow takes place after oot.
(Nintendo, why!?)
@@Gyashonav well the alternate timeline from SS would have OOT as one of its fixed points like Twilight and WW given that if played out right a single timeline could be formed with twilight happening before WW where the loss of the hero after Twilight could have cause the flooding. the areas in twilight could be various areas in WW. cause the story of WW is that the hero disappeared and didnt return. OOT link after returning to cause ganon to be sealed away before the events could have become the Stalfos in Twilight teaching the Twilight link who could have disappeared due to the influence of the twilight magic upon him and the ability to go between the physical and spiritual realm. due to that the hero would have disappeared and when ganondorf returned there would be no hero and thus the flooding. with BOTW taking place centuries after there would be a posibility of hidden zora sealed away in their domain plus links awakening could take place after the flood but well before WW started. allowing for the account of the three leviathan skeletons from three different timelines but the one we followed before BOTW was the main split in which demise was defeated in the future. in SS he was essentially resealed in the past/ squashed by the goddess statue which could equate to the forgotten temple as demise's curse happened in a timeline that he had been freed from a normal seal but crossed through time possibly effecting the past version of his squashed self....i mean thats just my thought process since i always saw SS and OOT as fixed points in the entire timeline due to both being the only ones with time jumping mechanics. so technically even in the alternate SS , BOTW would still be after OOT by thousands of years and with the interwoven narrative of semi alternate events could account for all the inclusions from other timelines. cause the zonai are not prominant in any timeline but their style of stuff and the advance mechanics of sheika are similar to the tech in SS and one of the Bosses in the Minish cap/WW gods tower boss.
sorry for how long this is
The timeline of BotW is conclusively at the end of all lines. Essentially a culmination of them all
Also referring to the Zora and rito, couldn't it be both? If it's been 10,000 years, evolution can do a lot. Maybe the rito and Zora were originally the same race, starting from their more humanoid looks in wind waker, maybe they got separated and half of them regressed back into fish, and from there they just evolved separately. At this point in history it's been so long that their shared evolution is wiped from history
Typhlo ruins with the master cycle were amusingly easy.
only in zelda more water would lead a waterdwelling species to evolve into a land based bird species.
What about the statue that allows you to trade hearts for stamina and vice versa? That one is super obscure.
My personal theory with the Rito and Zora is that the Rito in BOTW aren't the same from Wind Waker. The current ones evovled from just birds like Loftwings, and have been dubbed Rito due to their similarities. The WW Rito then went back to the current Zora after a while, therefore the difference between the OOT Zora and BOTW Zora.
i love that outside of the 8th heroine, none of these were really fully answered in totk lmao
the false bloodmoon and the zonai tribe + things about the typhlo ruins were answered tho
you can actively force false bloodmoons really easy by lagging the game so it is a fact that its a safe switch to reduce lag. and the typhlo ruins arent zonai made but hylian made.
@@way2dawn853 false bloodmoon absolutely was not answered by totk lmao. it's just a game mechanic. i will give you that the typhlo ruins was answered tho lol, i forgot about that one
@@pinkcatminht you even answered it yourself
"Its just a mechanic"
Yes exactly. Its just a mechanic for reducing lag lmao. Theres no story part. Noone ever talks about it ingame and we exactly know why, how and when it happens. So whats not clear about it?
@@way2dawn853 i didn't say it wasnt clear, i said it wasnt explained in-game, which is a true statement lol
@@pinkcatminht yes because its never mentioned ingame
So why would it be explained ingame
Doesnt make ANY sense
Like saving and loading the game doesnt get explained ingame too
Well, the 8th heroine was certainly in the TotK trailer…
It's highly unlikely they load all enemy flags at boot-up (particularly considering the large number of enemies, their positions, their current stats, and as well as other states about them). Considering the context in which you would have to track them it would certainly make sense to have a mechanism in place to purge memory of the defeated enemies you're tracking so when Link enters a given area you can do a check against what you've tracked and make a determination if the enemy should spawn. A blood mood would be a rather clever way for Nintendo to hide that they are indeed clearing memory buffers of tracked enemy data because to not do so would likely lead to two possible games states; one, it would create an opportunity to create buffer overflows by the player to break the game or two; the game would just keep respawning enemies you already recently destroyed or would never respawn because their state is never reset.
I could believe that data that's already been actively tracked would load when you load your file, but loading ALL enemy flags seems incredibly unoptimized from a development team known for its engineering feats with regard to data storage compression and dynamic memory allocation/optimization.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to claim here, but your statements in the video seem in conflict with earlier comments regarding panic blood moons.
These things load and unload as you move through the map.
@@LainK1978 But that would mean storing that data somewhere either in cached memory or written to non-volatile storage which the latter sounds like a terrible idea for performance reasons and wasteful writes to some kind of NAND storage. The trade-off is happening somewhere and it's more likely to be the former which means the blood moon sequence would be a good opportunity to reset default flags held in memory to avoid memory leaks.
Great video, not sure if these are really “obscure” though
Breath of the Wild's placement in the Timeline is explicitly known. It is at the end of all the timelines. All games which have currently been released happen more than 10,000 years before Breath of the Wild. When Tears of the Kingdom releases it will be the first and only game (until more are released) to occur after Breath of the Wild.
BOTWS Place in the Timeline is not unkown. It is confirmed to connect the three timelines and plays after all other games we have to his point. Nintendo made that canon.
0:54 everytime i hear leviathan, just because of Subnautica, now i feel like I want to play a Zelda-Subnautica crossover, think like Wind Waker Horror.
You forgot to mention: that creature that is in the Hateno Lab was supposed to be a 5th divine beast actually.
Evolution is rarely a straight line. When one species evolves from another, it's not like the first literally becomes the next. Rather, the new species branches away while the old species continues to live on, hence why evolution is compared to a tree by a lot of people.
Honest question, why did the fish turn into birds when the world FLOODED? FISH LIVE IN WATER!
Another fantastic one, mass effect, DA an zelda, the channels has all the content I hunt so thank ya ma'am 😂 I like the 8th heroine stuff, I really wonder who it was an why they were made, I like the 8 races theory alot
Considering everything we've learned about the Zonai in TOTK, there's still a lot we don't know.
How does the Barbarian Set connect to the Zonai? Why was Thyphlo Ruins shrouded in pitch darkness? What is the connection between the Shiekah and the Zonai? Everything we learned seems to have just led to more questions.
2:02 in terms of timeline placement, I reckon that Botw (and by extension, Totk) are so so sooooo far into the future in comparison to even the most recent game before Botw. Like, 1000s of years before even the 10,000 year thing between the first appearance of Calamity Ganon and the one that happens in Botw
Near prehistoric in comparison
5:39 My hypothesis is that because there are two sub species of Zora (Sea Zora and River Zora)
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(Let’s say in this example it’s the river Zora)
Perhaps the ecosystem of one of those populations was destroyed leaving them isolated from their coastal cousins. Forcing them to adapt.
All in all great video!
Spoiler maybe idk
so my thought process is this BASED OFF TOTK.
There were 7 sages..
1 Gerudo (Sage of Lightning)
1 Zora (Sage of Water)
1 Rito (Sage of Wind)
1 Goron (Sage of Fire)
Mineru (Sage of Spirit)
Rauru (Sage of Sacred Power)
Zelda (Sage of Time)
thats 7 sages. My theory is the 8th hero is Link.
My reasoning..
Link was not in the same time zelda was sent to. So the position of the hero so far away from the sages would be represented as him being not around or out of their time.
But thats my theory on the metaphor of it.
Intriguing idea, I like it :)
"based off totk" brother the 8th heroine thing is completly answered in totk
thats just false
Blood moons also reset weapons
The sheikah are actually a branch of hylian, as there are three types: sheikah, common hylians, and the lurelin village hylians.
Maybe some of the zora just survived and stayed in the ocean and the roto are just one group of zora that evolved to rito
two of the divine beast (forgot their names because i have played the game in a long time) are based off an elephant and a camel but they don't seem to exist in hyrule
My theory is that the 8th heroine is Ganondorf because it is said that the 8th heroine is worshipped by those who live in that land and the only civilization near the statue is the Yiga Clan Hideout
Lemme tell ya, the blood moon awakens monsters around my house.