Batman (1989) movie review

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  • Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
  • With "The Dark Knight Rises" on the way, Jeremy reviews the Batman films of old. Here's the review for the 1989 "Batman"
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Комментарии • 5 тыс.

  • @PsychoticSmith
    @PsychoticSmith 8 лет назад +603

    Oh my gosh, the beginning to your video is pure gold. lol

    • @tomservo3401
      @tomservo3401 6 лет назад +17

      No Kidding!! That was perfect!

    • @randyrandleman3618
      @randyrandleman3618 5 лет назад +11

      Casey Smith I played that part like 5 times now get out of here

    • @phillipmorley6890
      @phillipmorley6890 2 года назад +1

      I like the joker I like the animated series from Mark hamills joker but heath ledger empressed me more in the Nolan dark knight take on the character but I thought Jack Nicholson was good in his own way in 1989

  • @mraaronhd
    @mraaronhd 9 лет назад +379

    Mark Hamil's Joker from the animated series. Nobody can pull off that laugh like he can.

    • @MagnusvonYoshi
      @MagnusvonYoshi 9 лет назад +10

      Except Bryan Cranston

    • @hippiebrother3
      @hippiebrother3 9 лет назад +18

      Troy Baker comes pretty close. He's the closest we're getting as Hamil passing the torch, since the Joker voice hurts his throat so he needs to stop.

    • @obscureentertainment8303
      @obscureentertainment8303 9 лет назад +4

      Ferrohazard Bryan Cranston would be better as Gordon, I'd like to see Rutger Hauer as the joker.

    • @insertchannelnamehere5914
      @insertchannelnamehere5914 7 лет назад +7

      mraaronhd agreed
      Cesar Romero-clown
      Jack Nicholson-thug
      Heath Ledger-maniac
      Jarred Leto-psychopath
      All added together-Mark Hamill A.K.A The Joker

    • @athifarif9724
      @athifarif9724 4 года назад +1

      @@Bumra he was amazing in all the arkham games

  • @adamkendall3932
    @adamkendall3932 8 лет назад +107

    I LOVE how they portrayed the Joker as a gangster in this movie.

    • @RoosterMontgomery
      @RoosterMontgomery 8 лет назад +13

      Indeed. This movie had the balls to throw that Red Hood stuff out for something deserving of The Joker's origin.

    • @nathannapier229
      @nathannapier229 8 лет назад +2

      The Killing Joke is about Jack becoming Joker, not Jack becoming a criminal mastermind. He obviously had time to become who he is after that but that's not the point of the book. It's just his origins and the one bad day he's trying to create for Gordon. It doesn't explain or want to explain why he's so good because that's not why this story exists. You can't say it doesn't make sense.

  • @Hugeboss01
    @Hugeboss01 8 лет назад +905

    Cesar Romero as the clown
    Jack nicholson as the gangster
    Heath Ledger as the anarchist
    Jared Leto as the joke
    Joaquin Phoenix as the psychopath
    MARK HAMILL AS THE JOKER

    • @DarthCruciare87
      @DarthCruciare87 8 лет назад +17

      Yes, this list pleases me.

    • @omarelsherif4125
      @omarelsherif4125 7 лет назад

      Couldn't have said it better myself

    • @grantkelly8696
      @grantkelly8696 7 лет назад +7

      Nah jack as the the golden age joker

    • @soundninja99
      @soundninja99 7 лет назад +12

      Leto seems like a readaptation of the gangster joker.

    • @Hugeboss01
      @Hugeboss01 7 лет назад +3

      +TTate except he's vegan

  • @jackmcclain5805
    @jackmcclain5805 4 года назад +203

    “[1989 Batman] should have been called Joker.”
    2019: “Send in the clown.”

    • @G.S.Productions
      @G.S.Productions Год назад

      That was a killer foreshadow right there! It’s like both DC and Warner Bros. listened to him.

  • @kratoscallofduty
    @kratoscallofduty 9 лет назад +212

    I thought both Jokers were excellent. Jack was the funny, sarcastic one. Heath was the dark, sinister one. I like both Batmans as well.

    • @gaz9434
      @gaz9434 9 лет назад +8

      Nicholson and Keaton were superior though

    • @ganesharagavan5699
      @ganesharagavan5699 9 лет назад +8

      Let's just say, Ledger's joker was the sadistic, mysterious one, while Nicholson's joker was true to the comics

    • @GoldStandardGames
      @GoldStandardGames 8 лет назад

      Legitimate Karma Exactly.

    • @supermovies4625
      @supermovies4625 8 лет назад

      What about Cesar Romerez?

    • @kratoscallofduty
      @kratoscallofduty 8 лет назад +2

      Nightsilver I think you mean Cesar Romero.

  • @Heihachi_Joestar
    @Heihachi_Joestar 4 года назад +282

    Who is here after Joaquin Phoenix's Joker?

    • @brianjuarez6412
      @brianjuarez6412 4 года назад +7

      Faruk G me 👋🏼

    • @SonGoku_23
      @SonGoku_23 4 года назад +8

      me

    • @raymond6646
      @raymond6646 4 года назад +5

      I’m still sticking to my guns Jack Nicholson is the best with Heath Ledger at 2nd and mark hamill as 3rd 4th Joaquin Phoenix and 5th the person who voiced him In Arkham Origins

    • @bmaster461603
      @bmaster461603 4 года назад +4

      Heath
      Phoenix
      Jack

    • @danielolsson7134
      @danielolsson7134 4 года назад +2

      @@raymond6646 Joker was voiced by Troy Baker in Arkham Origins.

  • @sesfilmsllc
    @sesfilmsllc 6 лет назад +41

    Vale: What do you want?
    Joker: My face on the one dollar bill.
    One of the best line in the movie.

    • @sesfilmsllc
      @sesfilmsllc 3 года назад +2

      @Dip Not if you haven’t read the comic adaptation.

  • @trentlewis840
    @trentlewis840 4 года назад +228

    Lol call it “Joker”

  • @bobo911410
    @bobo911410 10 лет назад +164

    Just coming back for that intro.

  • @orlandoruizjr3834
    @orlandoruizjr3834 8 лет назад +35

    This was an important milestone for comic book films. For myself, and a whole generation of moviegoers in the late 80s. There had never been a Batman on film, or Joker, that represented the look of the early comics or the dark graphic novels that inspired Burton's vision. All we had seen before was the campy 60's version. 1989 was the 50th anniversary of the Batman comics. The timing, the casting, the haunting and music score by Danny Elfman. The first time we ever saw the batsuit in all black. The freaking batmobile was amazing, and still the best to this day. Nolan's movies are great, Snyder's vision of Batman is also great. This was and will always be the template. The original. The first blockbuster/ dark, comic book film. Give credit where credit is due and watch it. watch it in the dark with the volume loud. Always a fun experience for true bat-fan's. R.I.P. Prince. Bat-dance is still one of my favorite music videos. I hope you're Bat-dancing in heaven.

  • @LordSleepy99
    @LordSleepy99 7 лет назад +91

    Seriously "Batman" and "Batman returns" are cruelly underrated. I love the dark knight trilogy, I love Ben affleck as Batman, and I can't wait for the Batman. Seriously if you had a Batman marathon, not including the animated films, watch Batman, Batman returns, Batman begins, the dark knight, and the dark knight rises( also the Batman of its out). Also stay away from Batman and robin and Batman forever. Trust me if you ever like Batman just a little, DO NOT WATCH THOSE FILMS, YOU WILL HATE YOURSELF AND BATMAN.

    • @DarkFawful
      @DarkFawful 4 года назад +8

      We are all clowns sorry but batman forever is good but batman & robin is trash

    • @Ian-hj4yt
      @Ian-hj4yt 3 года назад +1

      @@DarkFawful nah, both bad.

    • @nebularain3338
      @nebularain3338 3 года назад +1

      I actually think that Batman and Robin has merit. The problem is that the bad parts are so bad that it clouds everything else. The underlying sub-story with Alfred's illness is very touching, and Michael Gough has the most screentime out of all the films which is no bad thing.
      I could never get behind Batman Forever though. It was just middle of the road with not even any camp value.

    • @Diegbone
      @Diegbone 2 года назад +2

      Ngl i watched Batman forever for the first time a couple days ago and I actually liked it I don’t get why people hate it so much

    • @aidenpierce2482
      @aidenpierce2482 2 года назад

      Definitely watch TDK trilogy, but also BVS Ultimate Edition is also a good watch. Been affleck's Batman is underrated, and I love the fierce, angry, and jaded interpretation of that Batman (it's like The Dark Knight Returns comic Batman).

  • @adamsagehorn3520
    @adamsagehorn3520 8 лет назад +36

    Killer Croc in the animated series. "One time I almost crushed Batman with a rock! What? It was a really big rock."

    • @zantigao7897
      @zantigao7897 6 лет назад

      I love that villain

    • @Horriflick
      @Horriflick 6 лет назад +3

      This is a lie. That was Batman in disguise who actually said that.

  • @CerealBoyBlue
    @CerealBoyBlue 10 лет назад +11

    Cillian Murphy's Scarecrow will always be my favourite. And I loved how he was in all three Nolan movies, it really tied them together having a recurring villain.

  • @iReece4498
    @iReece4498 8 лет назад +36

    If I can't have the Joker then I will say Scarecrow is my favourite Batman villain. He's really underrated. I especially love the Arkham Knight Scarecrow, I thought John Noble did an awesome job and the look was great. I like Cillian Murphy's Scarecrow as well.

    • @Theolppoman
      @Theolppoman 8 лет назад

      +iReece4498 Scarecrow was amazing in Arkham Knight!

    • @mrgibbets34
      @mrgibbets34 8 лет назад

      Same, he and Jack Skellington are the two reasons that make me want to get into the Halloween spirit when it comes around. Also gonna try and cosplay him for the next Comic Con.

    • @beannut5336
      @beannut5336 8 лет назад

      My fave is Harley.

    • @treystephens4490
      @treystephens4490 8 лет назад +1

      Scarecrow is very awesome but he sucked in Batman Begins (2005) but that's not the character's fault.

    • @emyf9197
      @emyf9197 8 лет назад

      scarecrow was awsm in the arkham games! first time playing asylum I was terrified when he appeared out of nowhere

  • @zecter7394
    @zecter7394 4 года назад +47

    Funny how he said “call this movie joker”

  • @20003771
    @20003771 10 лет назад +29

    What an intro.

  • @MegaMalooka
    @MegaMalooka 9 лет назад +63

    mister freeze is the coolest, BUDUM TSSS

    • @anthonynuzzo5690
      @anthonynuzzo5690 9 лет назад

      Ahhhh I see what you did there! You made a drum sound lol and I get it about mr. freeze

    • @thegreenhat5720
      @thegreenhat5720 6 лет назад

      the Arnold Schwarzenegger version I assume...

  • @mylifeisawant1215
    @mylifeisawant1215 7 лет назад +12

    The joker is my favorite villain, Heath for live action, Hamill for voice and animation

  • @jean-francoisjoanisse1445
    @jean-francoisjoanisse1445 9 лет назад +51

    I still have to give an edge to Batman when compared to Nolan's Dark Knight for one reason...The Batmobile.

    • @gaz9434
      @gaz9434 9 лет назад +21

      And the music score, casting, effects, story, director, bat suit, joker, and batwing

    • @jesseredfield6719
      @jesseredfield6719 9 лет назад +2

      Red Who no

    • @1krani
      @1krani 8 лет назад +5

      +Jesse Redfield
      That is not how you spell "Yes," sir.

    • @Johnnysmithy24
      @Johnnysmithy24 3 года назад +3

      @@gaz9434 I only agree with Music and effects lol. The story on all of Nolan’s films is vastly superior, and so is the casting.

  • @EliteTomahawk101
    @EliteTomahawk101 10 лет назад +19

    For me, The Riddler is by far the best Batman villain EVER. And he is best portrayed in Batman: Arkham City (videogame), yeah I know it's not a real actor but still, go Riddler!!!

  • @cristianaraujo4201
    @cristianaraujo4201 10 лет назад +21

    Jeremy that intro was awesome

  • @andrewdockrill
    @andrewdockrill 10 лет назад +18

    "she shit a chicken" that is why I watch JeremyJahns, god he's funny.

  • @benwasserman8223
    @benwasserman8223 8 лет назад +49

    Really like this movie, BUT I still feel that Nolan did it much better. And yes I do like Keaton's performance a lot but I prefer Bale Batman
    Was not really a fan of Batman Returns though

    • @LoN3wOlF5tudi0s
      @LoN3wOlF5tudi0s 8 лет назад +1

      +Ben Wasserman Plus you can't really compare the Jokers of Nolan and Burton, Heath Ledger had an out of this world performance. Jack Nicholson was pretty amusing but he brought nothing special to the role, it was almost like Jack just played himself while wearing a Joker costume.

    • @benwasserman8223
      @benwasserman8223 8 лет назад +3

      LoN3wOlF5tudi0s You mean Burton......... and ya that's what I thought about Nicholson too. Great performance but it was Jack being his usual self on screen

    • @LoN3wOlF5tudi0s
      @LoN3wOlF5tudi0s 8 лет назад +1

      Ben Wasserman Oh ya I fucked up... meant to write Burton (fixed now). I have lots of respect for Jack Nicholson and loved him in movies like The Shining and The Departed, where he really was great. But in Batman I don't think he reached his full potential.

    • @Ian-hj4yt
      @Ian-hj4yt 3 года назад

      You can't like the 89 movie and dislike the 92 one

    • @aidenpierce2482
      @aidenpierce2482 2 года назад

      @@Ian-hj4yt '92 was mediocre at best. '89 was great solely because of Nicholson's performance (although the Joker's motivations are questionable), but '92 doesn't have many redeeming qualities.

  • @CrookedShoeTales
    @CrookedShoeTales 10 лет назад +24

    AWESOME intro!!!!!!

  • @adamcoffland1332
    @adamcoffland1332 10 лет назад +38

    Batman (1989) was Awesometacular!

  • @lmd499
    @lmd499 10 лет назад +11

    Joker from 1989 is my favorite!

  • @arkham9843
    @arkham9843 9 лет назад +22

    Batman 10/10
    Batman Returns 9/10
    Batman Forever 5/10
    Batman & Robin 1/10
    Batman Begins 9.8/10
    The Dark Knight 10/10
    The Dark Knight Rises 9.9/10

    • @billmurray7721
      @billmurray7721 4 года назад +3

      Bam98 I can tell you have actually seen the Tim Burton ones just by your ranking.

    • @ExtremFnissigOlut
      @ExtremFnissigOlut 3 года назад +1

      Batman and robin only 1 what

    • @Johnnysmithy24
      @Johnnysmithy24 3 года назад

      I’d give Batman 89 a 8 or a 7 tbh. And Batman Begins a 10

  • @jakeel85
    @jakeel85 10 лет назад +5

    The first two Batman movies were classics and will always be my favorites just because I was raised with them but I do notice they haven't aged as well as I would like but I will always love them for what they are.

  • @Bloo_Bear
    @Bloo_Bear 10 лет назад +10

    I like Heath ledgers joker because he has this side to him that we still don't fully understand and I think that's kick ass

  • @TheRedman790
    @TheRedman790 9 лет назад +32

    Still would take this Batman over any of Nolan's. Loved heath ledger's joker but that was really the only thing TDK had going for IMO. Tried to hard to cram unnecessary characters into the story ...cops lawyers, city officials, two face etc etc. Hated the ending too.

    • @bluraynation5188
      @bluraynation5188 8 лет назад

      Well said

    • @joker18524
      @joker18524 8 лет назад +4

      It was to make it more realistic

    • @gerardolarios54
      @gerardolarios54 8 лет назад +1

      Yess finally someone said it. I get it heath ledger is good, but when thats the only good thing about the movie not a good supporting cast. And bale's version of batman is laughable heath ledger pretty much was the only beams supporting this house metaphorically speaking.

    • @1krani
      @1krani 8 лет назад

      +snake I's
      Screw realism, gimme some Smilex!

    • @1krani
      @1krani 8 лет назад

      *****
      You really think, after everything Man of Steel did with Superman, that Snyder's going to be 100% faithful to the Batman comics?

  • @jordanastro4694
    @jordanastro4694 9 лет назад +87

    My ratings for all the Batman movies:
    Batman 7.3/10
    Batman Returns 7.7/10
    Batman Forever 5.1/10
    Batman and Robin 1/10
    Batman Begins 8.9/10
    The Dark Knight 9.9/10
    The Dark Knight Rises 9/10

    • @jordanastro4694
      @jordanastro4694 9 лет назад +17

      Red Who not my fault they're the best Batman movies.

    • @raptorstudios9553
      @raptorstudios9553 9 лет назад +4

      The dark knight rises is the best.

    • @GoldStandardGames
      @GoldStandardGames 8 лет назад +3

      Jordan Caws 1989 Burton's Batman imho is the benchmark of all of Batman.
      Its the center of the past and the future of Batman.
      The perfect balance of the mainstream and the hardcore Batman fans, fantasy and science fiction. Stayed true to the original vision of its creator Bob Kane - which is very important for me as an author.
      Nolan's take is just a dissection and modernization of the 1989 movie's theme of "fear of freaks".
      PS. This is also the first Batman that got so much comparison to a stealthy ninja.

    • @joubertrouret2769
      @joubertrouret2769 8 лет назад +5

      Jordan Caws The Dark Knight 10/10*

    • @TrueBlueOfficial
      @TrueBlueOfficial 8 лет назад

      Jordan Caws What about Batman 1966? BTW how do you have 80 subs but you don't even make content? XD

  • @ryan201087martin
    @ryan201087martin 10 лет назад +16

    I just watched this movie last night. Batman killed just as many people if not more people than the joker did. Still a good movie tho

    • @TheDrunkenHer0
      @TheDrunkenHer0 10 лет назад

      There is more bad guys than good guys so that makes sense...

  • @danielquinlan2457
    @danielquinlan2457 8 лет назад +13

    Mark Hamill as the Joker, Batman: The Animated Series

  • @DreDaDon16
    @DreDaDon16 9 лет назад +25

    I like Tim Burton's movie more become they seem more like Superhero movies...he captures Gotham City so perfectly I love Chirstopher Nolan as a director but his Batman films just seem like normal crime drama with Batman and a couple of villians thrown in, they are very good movies and Christian Bale is one of my favorite actors but I perfer the Burton Batman films

    • @spencermalley10
      @spencermalley10 9 лет назад

      Superhero movies are at their best when there something else though.

    • @DreDaDon16
      @DreDaDon16 9 лет назад

      Fuck what I said....The Dark Knight is easily the best Superhero movie ever made.... I just saw it for the first time in 2 years and I can admit when I'm wrong I still have to watch the Burton ones again tho.

    • @spencermalley10
      @spencermalley10 9 лет назад

      DreDaDon__ Okey Dokey

    • @DjJokerr
      @DjJokerr 9 лет назад +9

      Bale is a good actor, but garbage as Batman. Burton Film wins!

    • @spencermalley10
      @spencermalley10 9 лет назад

      DjJokerr He was not 'garbage" by any definition of the word.

  • @khaledtaha2571
    @khaledtaha2571 6 лет назад

    1st ever review I've seen for Jeremy...
    INSTANTLY subscribed after that intro xD

  • @TheDrunkenHer0
    @TheDrunkenHer0 10 лет назад +3

    Tim Burton gave the Joker character development... We saw Jack Napier as he was before he became The Joker. Nolan's Joker on the other hand had absolutely no character development and then was gone.

  • @TheBlackLodger
    @TheBlackLodger 10 лет назад +13

    Obviously Joker, he shows pure chaos and insanity and is pure evil. Whoever doesn't consider Joker as one of the top 5 batman villains or even top 5 comic book villains is probabky crazier than the Joker himself.

    • @MrFahadaz
      @MrFahadaz 10 лет назад +5

      why are you so serious ? let me put a smile on your Face - JK

    • @crafty25936
      @crafty25936 10 лет назад +2

      mark hamill in the animated series

    • @TheBlackLodger
      @TheBlackLodger 10 лет назад

      Gopal Sangra Best Joker voice ever!!

  • @janeyrevanescence12
    @janeyrevanescence12 10 лет назад +23

    I like both Burton's Batman films and the Nolan films.

  • @mikeh0212
    @mikeh0212 9 лет назад +31

    The characters from the Burton films were actually terrifying but were made to be interesting.
    People will disagree but Jack Nicholson's Joker was better. I just couldn't get into Ledger's Joker. It's not that it was bad or anything, I just prefer the "comic book" tone to the Burton films/characters.

    • @1krani
      @1krani 8 лет назад +1

      +Pip Piposo
      Yes, and then he proceeded to sledgehammer those themes into our faces so that no drooling member of the Idiot Brigade could POSSIBLY miss it. The Burton movies knew what subtlety is (ironic, considering how over-the-top they get). Nolan does not. That is why I can't stand his Dark Knight movies.

    • @grantkelly8696
      @grantkelly8696 7 лет назад

      Agreed, for all we know heath ledger's joker could be a crazy guy who has makeup on.

  • @DirtyDayMix
    @DirtyDayMix 10 лет назад +10

    Favorite Batman movie.

  • @Shenruss
    @Shenruss 10 лет назад +17

    The Tim Burton movies are simply closer to the Batman mythos and what the characters are. they defined Batman for damn near 3 generations, and helped give Nolan a reference point for his trilogy. the Nolan movies aren't "better" in terms of story or character; they have better effects and DO explain backgrounds in more detail, but ultimately, they do less with more. Also, hey were MADE for an "edgier" time, so its to be expected that they have a more modern day appeal. Burton's movie is a classic, and has aged very well, even to this day

  • @redfox1366
    @redfox1366 9 лет назад +5

    Scarecrow from the Arkham Games. He's so terrifying.

  • @StanTheMan-cd3ob
    @StanTheMan-cd3ob 8 лет назад

    First Jeremy vid I ever watched, Been subbed since

  • @vegetasolo1221
    @vegetasolo1221 8 лет назад +3

    My personal rating to the series 1. Batman : (5/5) 2. Batman Returns : (4/5) 3. Batman Forever : (3/5) 4. Batman & Robin : (1/5) 5. Batman Begins : (4/5) 6. The Dark Knight : (5/5) 7. The Dark Knight Rises : (5/5)

  • @starleov
    @starleov 10 лет назад +11

    Nicholson is the best Joker

  • @WiseGuy5674
    @WiseGuy5674 9 лет назад +1

    Back in the 70's my parents took us on a road trip to Disney and they bought me a bunch of comics for the ride. One of them was a giant 'Dark Knight Detective' that was beautifully illustrated and introduced me to my favorite, creepy villain other than the Joker..Ra's al Ghul and his Lazarus Pit. I wish I still had the issue and knew which one it was
    I used to imagin the movie. I pictured Ricardo Montabon as Ras, and Steve Garvy as Bruce Wayne.

  • @SuperKidsCostumes
    @SuperKidsCostumes 8 лет назад

    Yeah it's time to make you my official go to reviewer for movies since Ebert's untimely death.
    You are a great reviewer. Especially in that you make valid points on things I disagree with. Subscribed.

  • @AngusSlade
    @AngusSlade 10 лет назад +12

    heath ledger and arkham joker

  • @Amber_xo_133
    @Amber_xo_133 3 года назад +3

    Jack Nicholson said of his role, "The thing I like about The Joker is that his sense of humor is completely tasteless." He later said The Joker was one of his favorite roles he played.

  • @scotthanson9563
    @scotthanson9563 2 года назад

    No one dose unique film reviews like You Jeremy. That Nicolson joker impression so on point. 🤘👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻

  • @thomasgarrett8113
    @thomasgarrett8113 8 лет назад +3

    I LOVE the Nolan movies, and I saw this the other day for the first time, and it's a really good movie. That's what I love about Batman. He works in many different tones and styles

  • @revuesdeminuit4071
    @revuesdeminuit4071 6 лет назад +4

    I just saw this one for the first time yesterday, and candidly, I was incredibly underwhelmed. So many of my friends have said this portrayal of Batman and the Joker were their favourites, but I personally didn’t see anything special about either of them. Jack Nicholson did a great job, but he played Jack Nicholson in joker makeup. And I found Michael Keaton’s character to be bland and uninteresting. I found the story, while fun, predictable. I liked how Tim Burton developed the city of Gotham, but overall I think the movie came across as kind of campy. I really wanted to like this movie, but I was disappointed. I’d rate it a 6/10. That being said, I understand why people absolutely love this movie, and I can respect the influence it subsequently had on batman films.

  • @deepengrave
    @deepengrave 9 лет назад +16

    Batman Returns is my FAVORITE!!!!

  • @smithanandari
    @smithanandari 8 лет назад +4

    Damn! I love the opening so much I've played it 3 times this morning.

  • @zombislayerpwnsnoobs
    @zombislayerpwnsnoobs 8 лет назад +3

    Mr. Freeze and Penguin in Arkham City were pretty incredible villains in those games!

  •  10 лет назад +19

    The only Joker that counts is Mark Hamil's Joker. All others are second to him. Animated series FTW!

    • @jesusordonez2364
      @jesusordonez2364 10 лет назад

      Heath ledger

    • @vincentvorse
      @vincentvorse 10 лет назад +2

      I thought the same thing, then I saw Heath Ledger. He is the Joker fully realized. He didn't need to use cheap props that are actually deadly weapons, although it was pretty cool when he did that, but Ledger actually freaking killed people and his weapon of choice was real methods of killing (guns, explosions, etc.) but doing it in a way that showed a hilariously dark irony to life. He is the Joker without sugar coating for children

  • @dhruvgajjar4953
    @dhruvgajjar4953 7 лет назад +8

    my favourite Batman villain is probably the scarecrow, yeah he's not to interesting for most people but I like his design

    • @mylifeisawant1215
      @mylifeisawant1215 7 лет назад +11

      I like the Arkham Knight scarecrow best out of all his incarnations

    • @dhruvgajjar4953
      @dhruvgajjar4953 7 лет назад +1

      COUNT COOLRIDER yep, he's the best! But I miss the weird scarecrow merry go round from arkham asylum

  • @samjones7834
    @samjones7834 9 лет назад +9

    Batman the movie (1966) 6.5/10
    Batman (1989) 10/10
    Batman Returns 8/10
    Batman Forever -5/10
    Batman and Robin -100/10
    Batman Begins 6.9/10
    The Dark Knight 10/10
    The Dark Knight Rises 7/10
    Batman Gotham Knight 7/10
    Batman The Dark Knight Returns (parts 1 and 2) 9/10
    Batman Year One 8/10
    Batman Under the Red Hood 8/10
    Batman Mystery of the Batwoman 6.5/10 (I feel it's a bit underrated )
    P.S. I haven't seen Mask of the Phantasm yet and this is just my opinion everyone's will differ

    • @PandaCow64
      @PandaCow64 9 лет назад +2

      I 100% agree

    • @paladin1147
      @paladin1147 9 лет назад +1

      Agreed But Give 1 more point to begins and the dark knight rises both were great and batman gotham knight and batman year one are they movie you listed comic book or what?????

    • @samjones7834
      @samjones7834 8 лет назад

      +The Brawler everything from Batman Gotham Knight downwards were animated straight to DVD movies, which are actually pretty good, you can find them on sites like Amazon or eBay

    • @paladin1147
      @paladin1147 8 лет назад +1

      Samuel Jones Yeah Thanks I really Like Under the Red Hood And Son Of Batman.

    • @jst3358
      @jst3358 6 лет назад

      Watch mask of the phantasm it's great same with sub zero batman

  • @jaytch6639
    @jaytch6639 9 лет назад +6

    I gotta say my personal favourite villain is Harley Quinn from the Animated Series. She was quirky and fun but also complex.

    • @ippopaidi
      @ippopaidi 9 лет назад +1

      I dig crazy chicks too :)

    • @phillipmorley6890
      @phillipmorley6890 2 года назад

      They had an idea to do a 5th with harley quinn as jokers daughter not his love interest that would've flopped like batman and Robin did I want to see harley quinn in a batman movie

  • @ecgodsmack861
    @ecgodsmack861 9 лет назад +20

    Tim Burtons characters and all actors and his batman movies were way better by the way Jack Nicholson is the best joker hands down and Michael Keaton the best batman ever

    • @Jim87_36
      @Jim87_36 2 года назад

      Best Joker is Heath Ledger.
      Plain and Simple.

  • @theMpicM
    @theMpicM 10 лет назад +22

    My favourite villain is joker and I think Hamill is the true joker

    • @MrMyster1ous
      @MrMyster1ous 10 лет назад +2

      Amen brother. But you have to admit Troy Baker is doing him justice.

    • @SSJGGOKU
      @SSJGGOKU 10 лет назад

      MrMyster1ous
      agreed

    • @logandh2
      @logandh2 10 лет назад

      I think we can all agree that Troy Baker is one of the best voice actors in the business right now. Most get type cast and use a very limited range of voices but he can be given almost any role and have a voice that matches it perfectly.

    • @theMpicM
      @theMpicM 10 лет назад

      Oh, certainly!

  • @achikahola
    @achikahola 6 лет назад

    I swear to god, the beggining of your video is one of the best things I've saw since The Dark Knight

  • @essense2234
    @essense2234 10 лет назад +1

    That beginning was pure GOLD!! LOL!!

  • @5hane9ro
    @5hane9ro 9 лет назад +4

    Favorite batman villain- ras al ghul, the Liam neson version from batman begins

    • @jesperjee
      @jesperjee 9 лет назад +1

      He didn´t really do much though....

  • @HorrorMovieReviewGuy
    @HorrorMovieReviewGuy 9 лет назад

    Actually, that opening Jack impression, Im pretty impressed lol. Cracked me up. I gotta git outta heeya and do some stuff but Im going to surf this channel later. Awesome. I'd love to do a live chat about the Nolan series, I have a lot to say about it, but people only show up for horror on my page, need an outlet lol. cheers JJ

  • @blb50
    @blb50 2 года назад

    You have got to do any retro review of this movie. Just finished rewatching and it took me back

  • @dhgbfhhhg8d412
    @dhgbfhhhg8d412 4 года назад +10

    My favorite Batman flick. Saw it in theaters 30 years ago when I was 10 yrs old. Woah. I still watch it regularly. It’s in my Top 10 favorite movies all time...👍

    • @JoelCraike
      @JoelCraike 4 года назад +2

      Same here I absolutely love this movie

  • @RetroBailey
    @RetroBailey 9 лет назад +23

    whats with the hate to the nolan trilogy? they are good films, my fav film of all time is the Dark Knight :) but i love this film and returns as well Jack Nicholson is great :) But im with jeremy on this one

    • @CornishCreamtea07
      @CornishCreamtea07 9 лет назад

      Some people don't like Nolans form of story telling, I think it is supposed to be a character study.

    • @RetroBailey
      @RetroBailey 9 лет назад

      what do you mean by character study? :)

    • @CornishCreamtea07
      @CornishCreamtea07 9 лет назад

      RetroBailey
      Not too sure, I just hear that term associated with Nolan before. I think it has something to do with how they are characterised.

    • @RetroBailey
      @RetroBailey 9 лет назад +1

      He takes more of a look at the psychological side of things and their effects thats what Nolan is renown for doing if thats what you mean

    • @tatehildyard5332
      @tatehildyard5332 9 лет назад +2

      It's what I call, Star Wars prequel syndrome. They're movies that don't deserve the hate they do but now, there's a (Lets hate on this) bandwagon that know one knows why they join it but they do to the point where it becomes public opinion and if you say otherwise, you become the target of extreme ridicule for appreciating a good story. I'm not saying I love the prequels but the hate they get is absurd and the hate people get for admitting they like it is absurd. I'm sorry for typing this much but this is something that genuinely angers me and I want to get the message out there before you all get blindsided.

  • @jrez8225
    @jrez8225 10 лет назад +1

    You have to have been around when this movie came out to like and appreciate it. I saw it in the theater when I was 7 and it instantly became my favorite movie. Wouldn't say it is now, but it definitely is one of them...for nostalgic purposes.

  • @akeeperofoddknowledge4956
    @akeeperofoddknowledge4956 6 лет назад +1

    The 1989 Batman was about Batman just starting out. He'd only made a few rooftop appearances before Commissioner Gordon spotted him and he didn't know if Batman was a good guy or a bad guy.
    Michael Keaton's suit in that movie is my favorite! Body armorcthat mimicked human muscles and the mask was perfect! The neck Claire's out to the shoulders and regardless how impractical that was - the effect was fantastic - and that is what the bat suit was all about - the effect!
    The BATMOBILE in that movie was totally awesome! You knew it belonged to Batman at first glance! While the Nolan BATMOBILE DID cool things and looked cool - it did not look like the proprietary equipment Batman had. It looked like what it was - a military vehicle repurposed for Batman.
    And while I love the way Nolan's Batman used his cloak to glide ( meat in did for a few seconds in his second Batman movie) through the air, something I thought Batman should have done since I was a kid.
    Also, the Nolan Batman identified Batman. We saw how his gear was created and while interesting it destroyed the mystery.
    Don't get me wrong, I love the Nolan movies better than any of the others, but I will give points to the 1989 version for the reasons I stated.

  • @wsly224
    @wsly224 9 лет назад +14

    This Batman Movie and This Joker.
    That's my favorite Joker origin story enough said.
    Period.
    Jack Nicholson, is the Joker.

    • @gaz9434
      @gaz9434 9 лет назад +5

      Agreed. Keaton is also batman

  • @cvzanikos1
    @cvzanikos1 9 лет назад +8

    When the original Batman came out in 1989 I saw it 12 times in the movie theaters. Fast forward 2005 and Batman Begins absolutely demolished 89 Batman crushed it into pieces

    • @1krani
      @1krani 8 лет назад +4

      +HELLASgate7
      Heartily disagree on the grounds that Michael Keaton was actually intimidating.

    • @cvzanikos1
      @cvzanikos1 8 лет назад +3

      +Ikrani I find that notion laughable. he looks nothing like Batman and never did

    • @1krani
      @1krani 8 лет назад +1

      HELLASgate7
      Neither does Christian Bale. And at least Keaton kept his dignity about him and didn't shout every other line of dialog.

    • @cvzanikos1
      @cvzanikos1 8 лет назад +1

      +Ikrani Keaton was more than adequate for his time. Bale was a much better batman/Bruce Wayne and the that's a fact. Ben will take it to a whole new level and bring us the definitive.

    • @1krani
      @1krani 8 лет назад +2

      HELLASgate7
      I disagree. I feel Bale took Batman to Frank Miller territory: memorable, compelling, but hardly interesting or nuanced. Bale never intimidated me the way Keaton did, and Keaton is the only live-action Batman who could actually smile and still be cool. Bale always seemed a little lost and confused, and with the number of times he got tricked in the Nolan movies, he just doesn't leave as good an impression as Michael Keaton or Kevin Conroy, who were always in control of a situation.

  • @williammesaeh1847
    @williammesaeh1847 Год назад +1

    Jeremy, I'd like to hear your thoughts on 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.' A great Nickolson perfomance.

  • @MrWhoDare
    @MrWhoDare 8 лет назад +1

    Still prefer this movie as my fav and Batman Returns as my second fav. But that's me. I really like the dark, artistic-noir setting Burton sets up. And Keaton is awesome portraying the different sides of Bruce Wayne. Plus the villain casting for both films is still arguable the best villain casting in ANY super hero film(s).

  • @richardatthemovies8791
    @richardatthemovies8791 9 лет назад +239

    Batman 9.5/10
    Batman Returns 9/10
    Batman Forever 5/10
    Batman & Robin 2/10
    Batman Begins 8/10
    The Dark Knight 9.8/10
    The Dark Knight Rises 8.5/10

    • @oldhauntedbat424
      @oldhauntedbat424 9 лет назад +28

      the dark night rises was better than batman & batman returns..

    • @benbug11
      @benbug11 9 лет назад +5

      Batman and robin: -9001/10

    • @richardatthemovies8791
      @richardatthemovies8791 9 лет назад +9

      benbug11 LOL,but if you watch it as a comedy is a 10/10

    • @benbug11
      @benbug11 9 лет назад +3

      Richard at the Movies HD still -9001/10

    • @Nobody-br1rq
      @Nobody-br1rq 9 лет назад +8

      the dark knight 10/10

  • @kyleroberts8823
    @kyleroberts8823 8 лет назад +13

    this is my favorite Batman film of all time, and i honestly think it outdoes the Nolan entries.

    • @spencermalley10
      @spencermalley10 8 лет назад

      +Kyle Roberts I completely disagree. The Nolan ones told better stories

    • @kyleroberts8823
      @kyleroberts8823 8 лет назад +2

      +Spencer Malley thus why I said it's my favorite. i couldn't care less about your preference.

    • @spencermalley10
      @spencermalley10 8 лет назад +1

      Kyle Roberts I'm not saying how I think you should feel, I'm simply stating my opinion

    • @alexlenertz4970
      @alexlenertz4970 2 года назад

      I Think Batman returns is better

    • @KaiJordan23
      @KaiJordan23 2 года назад

      I believe The Dark Knight Rises is superior. just my opinion though

  • @markj.9838
    @markj.9838 8 лет назад +1

    I actually love this movie. I remember seeing it as a kid when it first came out. I remember collecting the cards, the comic and I bought it immediately on DVD. In fact, if memory serves correct, I think I had 2 copies of it. As a result, I look upon this movie like it's an old friend. I can't resist its charm and I thought Keaton was an excellent Batman. Definitely better than Bale, in my personal opinion. I give this movie a 10/10. Is it better than Dark Knight? I want to say no, but if I was presented with the choice to watch either one, I'd go with this one.

  • @hawksfan8870
    @hawksfan8870 2 года назад +1

    1:36 Batman 1989 time era was like one of Batman’s first ever appearances. Of course Commissioner Gordon and him don’t work together in this movie. They barely know each other yet.

  • @Hugeboss01
    @Hugeboss01 8 лет назад +166

    Batman-8/10
    Batman Returns: 7.5/10
    Batman Forever: 4/10
    Batman and Robin: 1/10
    Batman Begins: 9/10
    The Dark Knight: 10/10
    The Dark Knight Rises: 8.5/10

    • @stevenborley8829
      @stevenborley8829 8 лет назад +1

      Perfecto

    • @debbiesizemore5812
      @debbiesizemore5812 8 лет назад +3

      batman: 9.5
      batman returns: 8.5
      batman forever: 7
      batman & robin: 4
      batman begins: 10
      the dark knight: 10
      the dark knight rises: 10

    • @GustavoAguiarVlog
      @GustavoAguiarVlog 7 лет назад +4

      1/10? That's way too much!

    • @patrickgraham4145
      @patrickgraham4145 7 лет назад +4

      Batman: 9/10
      Batman Returns: 9/10
      Batman Forever: 6/10
      Batman and Robin: 1/10
      Batman Begins: 7/10
      The Dark Knight: 10/10
      The Dark Knight Rises: 8/10
      Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice: 7/10

    • @mariolancellotti4583
      @mariolancellotti4583 7 лет назад +1

      +Patrick Graham batman begins 9/10

  • @irishman6414
    @irishman6414 8 лет назад +11

    This will always be MY Batman. Nolan's Batman is fine, but it's not my Batman. This movie has everything I want it to be. Good action, good dialogue, awesome production design, and a twisted sense of humor that really NEEDS to be in something as insanely silly as Batman inherently is. I mean, a guy dressing up as a bat to fight crime is a pretty damn silly idea at its heart. Nolan's films don't feel like Batman movies; they feel like excellent crime thrillers with Batman in them. Enjoyable enough, but I will always prefer the more campy, but still also serious enough, take on the genre. That's why I'm excited to see Suicide Squad. It seems to have the same kind of idea in mind.

    • @Wade_Fucking_Wilson
      @Wade_Fucking_Wilson 7 лет назад

      Afiq Nordin Couldn't agree more

    • @antona.1327
      @antona.1327 6 лет назад +1

      Do you realize that Batman's entire conception lies in the crime genre? The sole reason why he became Batman is because he was a victim of crime, and even one of his best pals is a FUCKING police officer. He was inspired by noir heroes like The Shadow and Dick Tracy. So yeah, excuse Nolan movies for being crime movies. Because, you know, the last time when Batman movies tried to move away from the crime aspect of the character, they were so good, right?

  • @ryanchaglasian4460
    @ryanchaglasian4460 10 лет назад +1

    The Joker in Mask of the Phantasm, Return of the Joker and the Dark Knight. The great thing about Mark Hamill and Heath Ledger's Jokers are that you don't WANT to like them since they're insane psychopaths, but they're just so damn entertaining you end up liking them anyway.

  • @DavidMacDowellBlue
    @DavidMacDowellBlue 8 лет назад +1

    Actually, I"m going to go with Oswald Cobblepot aka The Penguin in the t.v. series GOTHAM. But then, we've gotten to know him pretty well. Same with Selina Kyle, the catwoman to be, in the same show. In movies however I did adore Keith Ledger's Joker as well as Danny DeVito's Penguin, the latter for being such a total Tim Burton take on the character.

  • @MeloMVP100
    @MeloMVP100 7 лет назад +21

    batman 1989 10/10
    batman returns 7.5/10
    batman forever 4/10
    batman and robin 1/10
    batman begins 10/10
    the dark knight 10/10
    the dark knight rises 10/10
    batman v superman 5.5/10

    • @Hugeboss01
      @Hugeboss01 7 лет назад

      I'd put bvs as a 7/10

    • @MeloMVP100
      @MeloMVP100 7 лет назад +2

      +Big Boss I rewatched all the films and I would give batman v superman a 6 and batman 1989 a 9

    • @2MuchRandom
      @2MuchRandom 7 лет назад

      Batman and Robin doesn't even deserve a 1.

    • @christopherj1500
      @christopherj1500 7 лет назад +4

      Batman V Superman 8.5/10, that a fact, deal with it.

    • @undareable46
      @undareable46 7 лет назад

      Melo MVP batman and robin is so bad it is not even 1 maybe 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

  • @ArikGST
    @ArikGST 9 лет назад +6

    My favorite Joker ever is the one from "The Dark Knight Returns 2". That voice and that kinda homo-erotic vibe going on with him just makes him soooo much more creepy and menacing, best Joker ever. The Joker in "Red Hood" is also very good, there is this scene with the glass cup, made me laugh so hard, gotta love the Joker. I am Fanboying out here xD

    • @lelidawi2446
      @lelidawi2446 9 лет назад

      We all are bro! XD

    • @gawee08
      @gawee08 9 лет назад

      The one in "The Dark Knight Returns Part 2" kinda just had an unnerving feel. Joker is meant to have that, but he's also meant to be having fun. Also, his voice really sucked. The Joker in "The Red Hood" was really good, though.

  • @Gothrom
    @Gothrom 6 лет назад

    Two-Face from the 92 animated series is my favorite Batman villain. Even though I love the Burton Batman movies the most, I did like Nolins take on Two-Face. I just wish they gave him more screen time as Two-Face. He reminded me a lot of the animated series one.

  • @bzak
    @bzak 10 лет назад +1

    I liked Mr. Freeze form the animated series, wish I could see a good adaption of the character in the big screen.

  • @jaspermorrisey630
    @jaspermorrisey630 8 лет назад +5

    Batman Forever- 4/10
    Batman and robin- 2/10
    Batman Begins- 8/10
    The Dark Knight- 10/10
    The Dark Knight Rises- 9/10

  • @vincentnguyen1995
    @vincentnguyen1995 9 лет назад +8

    After watching the Tim Burton Batman movies, I can say that I prefer the Nolan Batman movies more. Nolan got the tone and the characters right.

    • @DarthVxderTV
      @DarthVxderTV 9 лет назад +3

      Not really. They are outstanding movies but they did not get eh characters "right", especially Batman. The Joker was a different take but one for the better since it was just a really good performance. Batman wasnt much of a detective, didnt use much of the usual utility belt stuff but more things he had to use for special cases and he was never shown to have the genius intelect were used to having. Dont get me started on the voice, how short he is and how physically unimposing he was. Bane was also a very different take. I like Bane especially when he talked and was straight up a badass but it didnt feel like Bane but more of a new villain.
      Like I said the Movies are great and I love them but they didnt get the characters "right", not like it mattered much because of how awesome the movies were especially TDK aka Joker so it didnt really harm them much.

    • @redhadelf106
      @redhadelf106 9 лет назад

      batman was mainly better in the original. He was unassuming, you never could point him out as batman because he doesn't seem to be batman. also he could easily intimidate someone, while christian bale tried to intimidate yet you could tell he couldn't naturally intimidate. also less back story for batman is more interesting.

    • @DarthVxderTV
      @DarthVxderTV 9 лет назад +1

      redha elkuakljdal Christian Bale while a great actor was neither a tue douchy playboy as Bruce Wayne or intimidated and put fear in peooples eyes as Batman.

    • @DarthVxderTV
      @DarthVxderTV 9 лет назад

      Aaron Grace It wasnt really a Batman more than it was a Joker movie. A bad Joker story but Jack was really good as always.

    • @vladimirabreu6848
      @vladimirabreu6848 9 лет назад

      Aaron Grace
      I gotta say this you have to give credit to the Tim Burton Batman's well just the 1st one, at the time that's all we had as a darker Batman aside from the comics, of course your are gonna like the Nolan Batman because maybe you saw them first, but I'm not sure if you did, as far as the comics some was different and some were the same, although the joker has many different origins in the comic book the killing joke he did fall into a vat of chemicals, but he never murder Bruce's parents. Everyone has there own interpretation from comics and movies, and as far as the cartoon goes well Batman animated series was base on the Tim Burton's Batman from the music to the setting and tone on how dark the cartoon was. You are entitled to your own opinion but you gotta give him some credit.

  • @GamingAnimator1
    @GamingAnimator1 6 лет назад +2

    Michael Keaton Batman is actually intimidating and more accurate to the comics with how calm and collected he is. Christian Bale on the other hand is too loud, has that stupid voice, and seems like he just tries to be too hard to be intimidating that it comes out laughable. Basically disagree, Keaton Batman better. I agree on the joker though.

  • @cjnovo992
    @cjnovo992 8 лет назад

    My favourite villian was either penquin from returns because he really creeped me out and stuck with me for years, and also bane from TDR just his presence to me really stood out hes the only villian to stand toe to toe with batman

  • @blkmattymatt
    @blkmattymatt 9 лет назад +3

    This movie was one of my favorite batman movie. I even thought it was better than the dark knight.

  • @TyTimeIsAwesome
    @TyTimeIsAwesome 7 лет назад +3

    Jeremy, can you only laugh like this on your videos from now on? Thanks.

  • @tuschman168
    @tuschman168 8 лет назад +1

    It kinda baffles me that Pat Hingle who played Commissioner Gordon went on to play the same role in three more movies and be one of only two actors to appear in the same role in all four Batman movies of the Burton/Schumacher series. I mean good for him ...but he really wasn't that memorable. With Michael Gough (Alfred) you at least somewhat understand why he returned to the role three more times.

  • @holdendude108
    @holdendude108 9 лет назад

    Slade Wilson/Deathstroke and his portrayal on Arrow is my second favourite. The Joker always wins hands down but that's a given just based on the characters nature and the actors who play the character. Although, yes my favourite live action creation is Manu Bennett as Slade/Deathstroke. The progression was truly captivating for me

  • @myworldorder6753
    @myworldorder6753 10 лет назад +7

    Jack Nicholson joker ftw!!!

  • @LegitBuiscuts
    @LegitBuiscuts 9 лет назад +3

    Jack Nicholson. Best actor ever. Awesome in this movie, The Shining, and much else

  • @grkpektis
    @grkpektis 9 лет назад +1

    Tim Burton's movies were filled with subtle details that gave you more plot than you think, meanwhile Nolan beat us over the head with shitty exposition and foreshadowing. For example Eckhardt (dirty cop) said to Jack "Where have you been spending your nights" in an alley before he became the Joker. It sounds like a throwaway but think about it, that explains so much.

  • @Hustwick
    @Hustwick 4 года назад +1

    1989 ... I was 11. I'd just started secondary school and I remember how weird it was having a 'dark' Batman ... We'd only had the TV series before this. What a time to be witness to it.

    • @guileniam
      @guileniam 2 года назад

      Was it seen as good or different or awesome or what?

    • @Hustwick
      @Hustwick 2 года назад

      @@guileniam It was utterly mindblowing. To go from Saturday morning TV of Adam West's show (Whaack ... KaPow ... Boom ... etc popping onto the screen during every fight) to this was incredible. I still remember watching it for the first time today.

  • @chatao433
    @chatao433 9 лет назад +15

    Batman 6/10
    Batman returns 6/10
    Batman Forever 1/10
    Batman and Robin -1/10
    Batman Begins 9/10
    The Dark Knight 10/10
    The Dark Knight Rises 9/10

    • @oldhauntedbat424
      @oldhauntedbat424 9 лет назад

      god bless your soul

    • @thescorpion3098
      @thescorpion3098 9 лет назад

      John Tran I agree with this list completely!

    • @22steve5150
      @22steve5150 9 лет назад +1

      John Tran The original Batman should be higher, it's not "Nolan" good, but it's damn close, and much, much better than Returns. No way those two should share a 6/10.

    • @thescorpion3098
      @thescorpion3098 9 лет назад

      22steve5150 7/10?

    • @22steve5150
      @22steve5150 9 лет назад

      The Scorpion to me it's a 9, but....anything higher than 6 is okay by me