love this idea. Would really be interested in your doing measured head-to-head between your BTB and an actual Bose system of like type (5 series with passive subwoofer?). You could measure SPL with same input power, frequency response, and then maybe a blind listening comparison. That would make a great video! Thanks for sharing, as always!
I'm not sure if I can. Last I checked Bose doesn't allow measurements of their speakers. Maybe I could on some legacy cubes that they don't sell anymore.
@@larssssssssssssds they used to pursue legal action versus anyone that would post their data. They don't believe that frequency response tells the consumer anything meaningful. In fact, I believe they sued consumer reports after they had a negative review on the frequency response. Like I said, I'm not sure if that's still the case. But it's one of the reasons why it can be hard to find frequency response graphs on bose.
@@Toid Thats kinda sad. But maybe you can record your cubes. I really want to hear them and yes I know recording them over RUclips doesn't give a real impression of the sound but I love those kinds of videos. And those drivers remind me a bit of the small peerless full range.
lol i made a similar stacked design (square box, not curved), using 3-4mm bamboo sticks to link all the pieces up instead of a thicker wooden rod. the difference was i stacked up all the in-betweens 1st, minus the top and bottom, then i hand-sanded the interior smooth. after that then i glued up the top and bottom piece.
@@jefflansaw9818 mine was quite crap becos the drivers were originally from a pair of cheap PC plastic speakers. better than the original plastic boxes, but not really a stunner. just commenting on the box build thou.
I love that style of cabinet, the curve with the horizontal lines gives it a yacht look. It reminds me of some of the sonus faber and high end wharfedale stuff. Really nice! Did you ever measure these? I imagine the drivers must have a fairly smooth response without much breakup to be run without any passive network.
They do need some EQ work to sound great. I chose to leave out the passive components, since the box is so small and the magnets are so big. Instead I went with active filters on them
@@ToidI’m interested in buying full range speakers but I appears that this company is a wholesaler to speaker companies instead of diy-ers. Do you have a any other recommendations?
You need a new title BETTER THAN BOSE IS NOT HARD BECAUSE BOSE ARE CRAP but the speakers in the thumb nail look great love the wood and the black if they sound as good as they look your onto a winner
Nothing beats Bose but however it's possible to build a speaker near it's sound. I'm surprise you didn't test the sound on these speakers during this video. Or did you already knew it would not sound better than Bose? :)
Oh man these look sweet! I know people hate on the Bose Acoustimass, but they are not bad sounding speakers to my ears. These do look WAY better. The build was sweet, but I left wanting to hear these. I know we can't really demo sound via a YT video, but that's all this video is really missing. How do they sound to you?
Thank you! My plan is to do two more videos. The next video coming out will be at the subwoofer that goes with these. Then the last video will be talking about sound quality showing measurements and maybe doing a quick sound demo. I didn't want to use any passive components on this, it's just too small. So I'm relying solely on active DSP.
The replacement Bose speaker drivers are $35.00 each. Price is high for what they are. Small speakers like that are not designed for Rock, heavy metal or Rap music. They have to have a frequency crossover installed. Years ago BestBuy was playing music in the store. I was hearing this music everywhere. I could not figure out where the music was coming from. BestBuy has a open ceiling design, I couldn’t see any speakers. I kept looking and looking. Then I saw one, they mounted the Bose cubes high up on top of the steel girders in the ceiling. Those little cubes were filling the entire store with music everywhere you walked and could not tell where the music was coming from. The takeaway is. If you use small speakers like that, mount them high up near the ceiling.
Nice job - point of clarification - that does not look like Baltic birch to me. 3/4" Baltic birch should have 13 layers of plies. 1/2" has 7 I believe. That looks more like the birch ply you get at a home store.
I've seen you do a video a while back about "how to build $3000 speakers for $500". It got me thinking. Have you ever contemplated trying to tackle a DIY version of the Klipsch LaScala's?
Any speaker is better than Bose!! The speaker in my smart phone is waaay better!! No highs, no lows must be a Bose!! Better sound through marketing. Awesome job!!
Nice build. You might want to check if ur machine cant take a bit of a deeper cut. ? doing ity in 3 rows for something as soft as plywood. i assume it can go a little deeper. maybe 9mm and one cleaning pass or maybe even a full depth of cut of 18mm ? without any cleaning. is there a reason that you know of why US wood glue PVA i assume is yellow, and not white and comes out of a ketchup bottle ? just wondering
Thanks. I'm not sure why it is yellow. But I really like the way the glue comes out of the mustard bottle. So I started using that a while ago. Before that used to use glue bots. But I just haven't been as happy with them.
Bose stuff is ok, just not great value. They actually make decent small speakers these days. At least they had it right with the active equalisation of tiny speakers. Kind of needed as the response of a small driver in a cube enclosure isn't going to be all that great by itself. With a decent box, of course the Kartesian will have higher performance ceiling. Will be interesting to hear how they sound as that is quite a large dustcap/dome radiator which could have a resonant chamber behind it
Sorry I’m late to the party. Reason is I just found your channel. Great DIY by the way. My father left me all his saws, lathes, routers etc etc. Oh did I mention clamps? He loved clamps. I’ll be watching all your builds as I might need a sub woofer? I have Klipsch La Scala’s up front, Hersy’s for a center and a Cerwin Vega DX9’s rear. The 9’s dig deeper than the La Scala’s and they will rattle the windows but I might need a little extra. Any suggestions? Thanks and keep building.
How about a compact sub diy build to go with them like Bose offers. But obviously better. Didn't Bose use a 4th order bandpass with dual 5.25 woofers? Or something like that... Awesome vid. Taking video production up a notch.
I realize this is an old comment I'm responding to but, for everyone's information, the bass module for the AM series was actually an 8th order sub enclosure.
THat is coming. I am building the subwoofer to go along with these and then I will do a final video on the responses, graphs, and listening impressions.
Hey Nick, got a claim on that intro yet? I know some big creators have had real trouble having played that song, the people who license it aren't very nice in how they approach trying to take down a channel. Just thought to warn you. 🙂👍
What are you even talking about? They are known for producing a sound profile that most people like, not 360 specifically. Some of their products do that but not all, especially not the cube speakers these are replacing. These are surround sound speakers that individually are directional.
Did you calculated the volume based on TS parameters? or it was just something where the speaker can fit and looks nice? I'm asking because by the looks of the driver, it seems that you could get a very good response if the Vb is right...
Plywood and MDF are typically sought after when building speakers due to their resonant traits. You can use hardwood. You do have to be careful about wood resonating, especially if you don't do a great job bracing.
I like the design and thought process behind this project. Just a heads up... The birch plywood you used for this project is not Baltic Birch. Baltic Birch has 13 plies
Bose Acoustimass is our benchmark? that's easy to crack... Lets try Lifestyle 650 to the minimum! (Interestingly, I have not seen any speakers which can beat it in Size to performance)
I will have a video coming out in the next week talking about that. I will also go over the Kartesian drivers I used and how I think they are best utilized.
Anything is better than Bose cubes, even basically any other Bose product. Not super hard to achieve. I put a Bose cube driver in a small cardboard box, and it sounded better than the original.
I just sold my lifestyle 650 of wich i overpaid by thousands, bought a yamaha system at half the price that sounds WAY better with more power and dolby atmos wich the piss poor and overpriced bose doesnt have, overhyped and overpriced junk in my opinion..
The next video will be building the subwoofer. The following video will show you some frequency response graphs and a sound test of all of it together.
@@drippinthatginnjuice thank you. I should have mentioned it's a three-part series. Next video will be the subwoofer in the final video will be listening impressions along with response graphs
Those probably kill bose satelites. But to be honest. The amount of Effort ... even if a machine does it. Its a waste on a System that is non functional anyway because of its size. I can see the appeal but they are just to small and if the result is bad sound anyway then the cheap pastic bose uses is fine imo. that bose satelites should be 10€ and not like 100€ a piece is another story.
No matter how you look at it this type of speaker, this will NEVER be good speaker! Does not help if BOSE has made this type of speaker, it does not get any better for that reason. Bose is equal to no treble! 1 way without crossover never gives good sound!
Better than Bose cubes isn't a big challenge, but the speakers in the thumbnail look compact and fantastic!
Haha yes can easily be beaten
They are tiny. I'm loving the size and the look. Thank you.
That is one of the smartest uses of a wood cnc i have ever seen. I want a wood cnc now!
Thank you. And Go Pack Go!
love this idea. Would really be interested in your doing measured head-to-head between your BTB and an actual Bose system of like type (5 series with passive subwoofer?). You could measure SPL with same input power, frequency response, and then maybe a blind listening comparison. That would make a great video! Thanks for sharing, as always!
aww man I would have loved to hear it running with a movie.
Looks like some of the Boston Acoustic small cubes I had long time ago, just a nicer driver and wood look.
great build. please make a video about how they sound and compaire them with measurements to some bose cubes. would love to see that
I'm not sure if I can. Last I checked Bose doesn't allow measurements of their speakers. Maybe I could on some legacy cubes that they don't sell anymore.
@@Toid how can they forbit mesauring there stuff?
@@larssssssssssssds they used to pursue legal action versus anyone that would post their data. They don't believe that frequency response tells the consumer anything meaningful. In fact, I believe they sued consumer reports after they had a negative review on the frequency response. Like I said, I'm not sure if that's still the case. But it's one of the reasons why it can be hard to find frequency response graphs on bose.
@@Toid Thats kinda sad.
But maybe you can record your cubes.
I really want to hear them and yes I know recording them over RUclips doesn't give a real impression of the sound but I love those kinds of videos.
And those drivers remind me a bit of the small peerless full range.
lol i made a similar stacked design (square box, not curved),
using 3-4mm bamboo sticks to link all the pieces up instead of a thicker wooden rod.
the difference was i stacked up all the in-betweens 1st, minus the top and bottom,
then i hand-sanded the interior smooth. after that then i glued up the top and bottom piece.
Really cool build but how do they sound?
@@jefflansaw9818 mine was quite crap becos the drivers were originally from a pair of cheap PC plastic speakers. better than the original plastic boxes, but not really a stunner. just commenting on the box build thou.
nice work!
Good thinking 👍
Always a nice style and perfectly crafted, Kartesian's speakers are awesome and well made. Good job Nick.
Those are beautiful man! I'm looking forward to see what else Kartesian has available for the DIY crowd.
Yeah, they have some really great build quality in their drivers.
www.toutlehautparleur.com/univers-des-marques/kartesian.html
I love that style of cabinet, the curve with the horizontal lines gives it a yacht look. It reminds me of some of the sonus faber and high end wharfedale stuff. Really nice!
Did you ever measure these? I imagine the drivers must have a fairly smooth response without much breakup to be run without any passive network.
They do need some EQ work to sound great. I chose to leave out the passive components, since the box is so small and the magnets are so big. Instead I went with active filters on them
@@ToidI’m interested in buying full range speakers but I appears that this company is a wholesaler to speaker companies instead of diy-ers. Do you have a any other recommendations?
@@djparra41 they were selling them via tlhp. I’m not sure if they are still out if they pulled out of the DIY scene.
You need a new title BETTER THAN BOSE IS NOT HARD BECAUSE BOSE ARE CRAP but the speakers in the thumb nail look great love the wood and the black if they sound as good as they look your onto a winner
Ha! Thanks Robert 😉
Nothing beats Bose but however it's possible to build a speaker near it's sound. I'm surprise you didn't test the sound on these speakers during this video. Or did you already knew it would not sound better than Bose? :)
Love it!! Greetings from Jamaica.
You should pair these up with a couple of those 8 inch cube sub you built in one of your other videos.
Nice work man!
Would've been cooler if you had built the versions with the dual twisting drivers 👍
Awesome work here! And you Sir, need a router table! I think I puckered when I watched you trim the front baffle withe the table saw! 😅
Ahh kartesian
Obviously better
😉
i would totally do this right now for my 2.1 desk setup... if i had a cnc :D
Oh man these look sweet! I know people hate on the Bose Acoustimass, but they are not bad sounding speakers to my ears. These do look WAY better. The build was sweet, but I left wanting to hear these. I know we can't really demo sound via a YT video, but that's all this video is really missing. How do they sound to you?
Thank you! My plan is to do two more videos. The next video coming out will be at the subwoofer that goes with these. Then the last video will be talking about sound quality showing measurements and maybe doing a quick sound demo. I didn't want to use any passive components on this, it's just too small. So I'm relying solely on active DSP.
@@Toid awesome, can’t wait! Perfect little bedroom surround system 👌
Bose is pretty good, but I believe there are better systems out there for the money
Wow u got a cnc...lucky u...great project
The replacement Bose speaker drivers are $35.00 each. Price is high for what they are.
Small speakers like that are not designed for Rock, heavy metal or Rap music. They have to have a frequency crossover installed.
Years ago BestBuy was playing music in the store. I was hearing this music everywhere. I could not figure out where the music was coming from. BestBuy has a open ceiling design, I couldn’t see any speakers. I kept looking and looking. Then I saw one, they mounted the Bose cubes high up on top of the steel girders in the ceiling. Those little cubes were filling the entire store with music everywhere you walked and could not tell where the music was coming from.
The takeaway is.
If you use small speakers like that, mount them high up near the ceiling.
Nice job - point of clarification - that does not look like Baltic birch to me. 3/4" Baltic birch should have 13 layers of plies. 1/2" has 7 I believe. That looks more like the birch ply you get at a home store.
I've seen you do a video a while back about "how to build $3000 speakers for $500". It got me thinking. Have you ever contemplated trying to tackle a DIY version of the Klipsch LaScala's?
No.. Although that would be a really cool build
Any speaker is better than Bose!! The speaker in my smart phone is waaay better!! No highs, no lows must be a Bose!! Better sound through marketing. Awesome job!!
Bose killers = every single speaker in the world
How about a similar project but with 3D printed enclosures?
They look great!
Thank you
Bootyful! 😍
"Bose blows"
HiFi Vega. 🙃
I was really impressed at you klipsch thx KLM 650 clone. Seeing that with the LA scala would be awesome!
The ultimate Bose killer is: BOSE
Nice build. You might want to check if ur machine cant take a bit of a deeper cut. ? doing ity in 3 rows for something as soft as plywood. i assume it can go a little deeper. maybe 9mm and one cleaning pass or maybe even a full depth of cut of 18mm ? without any cleaning.
is there a reason that you know of why US wood glue PVA i assume is yellow, and not white and comes out of a ketchup bottle ? just wondering
Thanks. I'm not sure why it is yellow. But I really like the way the glue comes out of the mustard bottle. So I started using that a while ago. Before that used to use glue bots. But I just haven't been as happy with them.
Great
All highs no lows, must be a BOSE.
Anything is better than bose cubes, being honest!!
Those look so cool!
Good speakers: Canton, Teufel, Nubert, Magnat, Harman Kardon.
a driver inside a coffee can is better than bose
Haha! You're killing me! 😂😁
Bose stuff is ok, just not great value. They actually make decent small speakers these days. At least they had it right with the active equalisation of tiny speakers. Kind of needed as the response of a small driver in a cube enclosure isn't going to be all that great by itself.
With a decent box, of course the Kartesian will have higher performance ceiling. Will be interesting to hear how they sound as that is quite a large dustcap/dome radiator which could have a resonant chamber behind it
Sorry I’m late to the party. Reason is I just found your channel. Great DIY by the way. My father left me all his saws, lathes, routers etc etc. Oh did I mention clamps? He loved clamps. I’ll be watching all your builds as I might need a sub woofer? I have Klipsch La Scala’s up front, Hersy’s for a center and a Cerwin Vega DX9’s rear. The 9’s dig deeper than the La Scala’s and they will rattle the windows but I might need a little extra. Any suggestions? Thanks and keep building.
Where can the Wib50's be purchased retail? Looking at Kartesian's site, the MOQ is 50 pcs.
It really is a Bose killer! Nice sound
How about a compact sub diy build to go with them like Bose offers. But obviously better. Didn't Bose use a 4th order bandpass with dual 5.25 woofers? Or something like that... Awesome vid. Taking video production up a notch.
You read my mind. That video is coming, then I'll have a final video with the measurements and listening impressions.
I realize this is an old comment I'm responding to but, for everyone's information, the bass module for the AM series was actually an 8th order sub enclosure.
Excellent work.
Very nice
God job plz mantion spkers name
ohm waat maximum sound cpacty thanx sir
All the links are in the description of the video.
Audio channel ...that background music... wth!
But thanks for the rest of the video, great.
It’s basically kinda the same design as the red line cubes but made wooden made
Where is the sound test? To compare it
Do a video where you go around to thrift stores and find some speakers and build the best subwoofer or pair of speakers for as cheap as possible $30?
That would be an interesting video
Super cool
Any frequency graphs ?
THat is coming. I am building the subwoofer to go along with these and then I will do a final video on the responses, graphs, and listening impressions.
Hey Nick, got a claim on that intro yet? I know some big creators have had real trouble having played that song, the people who license it aren't very nice in how they approach trying to take down a channel. Just thought to warn you. 🙂👍
Forgot to say, amazing editing, build and overall video as always Nick!
@@lio1234234 thank you for looking out this isn't the original, it's a rendition by Kevin McLeod from RUclipsrs free Library
@@Toid Good to hear, sorry about that then 👍
@@lio1234234 don'tt be sorry. I'm glad you were looking out for me. I appreciate it and you.
anything is better than a Bose cube speaker (Better off something else).
Anything is better than Bose technically. Meh.
Ditch the hole saw, get a router and circle jig, you wont regret it.
Definitely, I love my jasper jig. Although now that I have my cnc, I rarely use it. For a small hole like this, the hole saw was the most practical
Bose😂😂😂😂 and good do not belong in the same sentence.
🤔😲😮🤣😂😝🙌
Make a matching subwoofer for a 5.1 system
Here it is 😁 ruclips.net/video/M_FUKNLRplM/видео.html
Bose speakers are known for their 360 sound. These don't look like they're 360 sound. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt it
What are you even talking about? They are known for producing a sound profile that most people like, not 360 specifically. Some of their products do that but not all, especially not the cube speakers these are replacing. These are surround sound speakers that individually are directional.
Did you calculated the volume based on TS parameters? or it was just something where the speaker can fit and looks nice? I'm asking because by the looks of the driver, it seems that you could get a very good response if the Vb is right...
It was calculated based off the TS parameters. This driver can use a very small box.
@@Toid That's great! Can you share the driver model and the TS parameters? it looks goood for a transmission line
Does plywood vs real wood vs MDF sound different? If so which is preferable?
Plywood and MDF are typically sought after when building speakers due to their resonant traits. You can use hardwood. You do have to be careful about wood resonating, especially if you don't do a great job bracing.
I like the design and thought process behind this project. Just a heads up... The birch plywood you used for this project is not Baltic Birch. Baltic Birch has 13 plies
Bose Acoustimass is our benchmark? that's easy to crack... Lets try Lifestyle 650 to the minimum! (Interestingly, I have not seen any speakers which can beat it in Size to performance)
White van speakers are better than bose
Good 👍👍👍👍
HI, after some test how does they sounds? Specially in the low mid?
I will have a video coming out in the next week talking about that. I will also go over the Kartesian drivers I used and how I think they are best utilized.
@@Toid thanks
The sound?
This will be a 3 part series. The second part will be building the subwoofer in the third part will be measurements and listening impressions
Anything is better than Bose cubes, even basically any other Bose product. Not super hard to achieve. I put a Bose cube driver in a small cardboard box, and it sounded better than the original.
So how do they sound in real life??
Part 2 is going to be a build of the subwoofer. And then part 3 will be the real life measurements along with my listening impressions
I like monitor audio radius 45, for 415 usd a pair
The Focal Dome Flax is nice. But at 700 a piece is a bit pricey.
Sorry nothing can come close to Bose.Bose is the killer products.
Your right there.nothing comes close to how crap bose are.
I just sold my lifestyle 650 of wich i overpaid by thousands, bought a yamaha system at half the price that sounds WAY better with more power and dolby atmos wich the piss poor and overpriced bose doesnt have, overhyped and overpriced junk in my opinion..
Работа хорошая, но вот звучание под сомнением...
Speakers box is ok how a out ur soundtrack that’s important...
Yes, its not the look but the sound.
You went through all of that, and then you didn’t let us hear what they sound like. Um...Isn’t sounding good what people want in audio gear?
The next video will be building the subwoofer. The following video will show you some frequency response graphs and a sound test of all of it together.
anything is beter then Bose but nice build.
But not Bluetooth??? 🤷🏻♂️
It can be. It just depends on the amplifier you hook them up to
60 bose owners XD
Haha, nice! 😁😂
and no test ...
Correct. That will be in another video next week.
You could have put a (? After BETTER THAN BOSE) No sound test??
Nice cabinets btw.
@@drippinthatginnjuice thank you. I should have mentioned it's a three-part series. Next video will be the subwoofer in the final video will be listening impressions along with response graphs
Those probably kill bose satelites. But to be honest. The amount of Effort ... even if a machine does it. Its a waste on a System that is non functional anyway because of its size. I can see the appeal but they are just to small and if the result is bad sound anyway then the cheap pastic bose uses is fine imo. that bose satelites should be 10€ and not like 100€ a piece is another story.
Better than BOSE? NO WAY!
ha HA! Just kidding, how hard could that be?
Haha, nice!
No one can beat or kill the Bose cube speaker 😂 ur speaker is use only in showpiece 😅in drawing room
Literally a rounded panel of mdf with the speaker placed in the center literally harvested from a bose would sound better.
Bose been dead long time ago doe.
No matter how you look at it this type of speaker, this will NEVER be good speaker! Does not help if BOSE has made this type of speaker, it does not get any better for that reason. Bose is equal to no treble!
1 way without crossover never gives good sound!
LOL as if 'beating Bo$e' is hard 2 do? =))