@@thetruthisnotsubjective u guys are gonna be unpleasantly surprised. Scripture is clear. The ungodly and disobedient will be rejected even tho they claim Christ.
@@JAHtony1111Claiming is not the same as being saved. You made a false equivalency to support a false claim. You are trusting the idol of Self instead of trusting God.
A mortal Fallen man cannot keep his salvation, if keeping it depends on him. We would all lose our salvation if it depended on us. Imagine the angel constantly erasing your name and rewriting it into the book of life. Some of us would lose our salvation on our way home from baptism because someone cut us off in traffic. God doesn't lose what he has saved.
Heb 3:12 " Lest there be found in you an EVIL UNBELIEVING HEART , FALLING AWAY FROM THE LIVING GOD", so are they still saved?? 1 Tim 4:1 " The Spirit expressly says that is later times SOME WILL DEPART FROM THE FAITH GIVING HEED TO DOCTRINE OF DEMONS", so are they still saved?? Gal 5:4 " Severed from Christ.....fallen from grace..", are they still saved?? So, tell us, how long must we believe?? one day? week? month?? before we can have a "evil unbelieving heart" and still be saved?? So, Voddie believes that a believer can become an unbeliever and still be saved!! You can walk in darkness, 1 John 1:6, and live after the flesh, Romans 8, commit adultery, fornication and even murder, never ever repent...and you will still be saved. So, everyone, out of your entire life, believe for one day, be eternally saved......and then you can do whatever you want....
yes if they harden their heart, they are still saved provided they actually believed in their heart and were sealed with the holy spirit until redemption day departing from the faith doesn't mean lose salvation either, it means they leave the church ''the faith '' there's many lone rangers out there who have left the faith, not got unsaved or unsealed but no longer participate in Coporate worship because they have been deceived that they no longer need the faith, the phrase is the faith not salvation , not Jesus but ''the faith''! Galatians 5 is just saying you cant be under grace and law at the same time , the context is not loss of salvation yes you can believe for 1 day then live how ever you want there are earthly consequences, but you will absolutely still be saved , the thing people who do not have the holy spirit dont realize is the spirit changes your wants , if the only reason you don't do terrible heinous things is because fear of loss of salvation you have a heart issue and your just proving how wicked your mind and heart is still , either your a complete baby in Christ or you have not even received the spirit and are unsaved! Acts 13:38-39 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. 39And by him all that believe are justified from all things Titus3:5 He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. Philippians 3:9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith. Romans1:17 For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “ The righteous will live by faith.” Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him… psalm103:10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins or repaid us according to our iniquities. psalm 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us. 2 corrin 5:19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation. no longer counting people’s sins against them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what does it mean to be justified?????????????????
@@wolfwatchers So, you can give HEED TO DOCTRINE OF DEMONS?? AND FALL AWAY FROM THE LIVING GOD and you will still be saved!! So, tell everyone, how long must you believe?? One day? week? month? before you can have an EVIL UNBELIEVING HEART AND STILL BE SAVED?? So, wolfwatcher believes if you believe for one day, you have eternal life, and then you can do whatever you want, and heaven will still be your home. Acts 13 38-39 what does it mean to believe?? is it a dead faith?? or a living faith?? and in Gal 3:26-27 it states that we become children of God by faith when we are baptized into Christ, when we put Christ on. Jesus said in Luke 24:47 " Repentance and forgiveness of sins to be preached in his name would begin in Jerusalem", and this happens in Acts 2, where Peter preaches the first gospel sermon. In v 37 they asked, " What must we do?" and Peter said v38 " Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins" and it says in v41 that those who received the word and were baptized, the Lord added them to the saved, v41 v47. And in v44 it says, " AND ALL WHO BELIEVED were together", the "BELIEVED" are those who received the word and were baptized, baptized believers. Gal 5:4 says " you are SEVERED FROM CHRIST....FALLEN FROM GRACE", you are lost!! Titus 1:15 " To the corrupt and unbelieving nothing is pure; their very minds and consciences are corrupted; they profess to know God, but they deny him by their deeds; they are detestable, disobedient, unfit...", yet you say they are still saved...... Phil 3:9 " which is through FAITH"....and is it through faith if you have a EVIL UNBELIEVING HEART?? Heb 3:12.....tell us, how long is it through faith?? one day? week? I believe in the security of THE BELIEVER, AS LONG AS HE CONTINUES TO BELIEVE....but you believe a UNBELIEVER CAN BE SAVED..... Romans 8:13 " For if you live by the flesh you will die.....v14 " For all who are led by the Spirit of God are Sons of God", so are you being led by the Spirit of God?? if you have a EVIL UNBELIEVING HEART?? GIVE HEED TO DOCTRINE OF DEMONS?? If you live by the flesh?? Gal 5:19 " Now the works of the flesh are plain, fornication, adultery.....I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God", yet you say they will. You believe you can "WALK IN DARKNESS, LIE AND LIVE NOT ACCORDING TO THE TRUTH", 1 JOHN 1:6 , and you believe you will still be saved......so, again, how long must I WALK IN THE LIGHT?? 1 John 1:7
Saved? Okay... I hear the truth of God's word, his plan through Jesus to rescue me from sin and death. I believe it and Jesus the Savior becomes my Savior, Jesus the Lord becomes my Lord. I believe!
Proponents of Insecurity start with a false definition of salvation. The new birth changes what you are. “Saved” is not a place you walk to or from. “Saved” describes an end state. If your end state is freedom from condemnation, you are saved. If your end state is condemnation or still undetermined because it’s conditional, you are not yet saved. So, if your end state depends on your perseverance or works, you are not saved. You need to stop trusting Self and shift your faith to God.
The gospel truth is what the Scripture says I agree! That is that God before the foundation of the world had a plan for salvation; It was that He would give us His only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him would not parish but have eternal life. To be saved requires making a real choice to put one's faith in Jesus. This is something that God requires of us and will NOT do for us!
Lol this is some funny stuff. The whole epistle warns not to fall to false doctrine because its detrimental to your salvation. Eternal Security is not in scripture.
"Except a man be Born Again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." John 3:3 or enter v5.... What is born of water and the Spirit? Look at Titus 3:5 "He saved us by ... The washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit." Now go look at Ezekiel 36:25-27 See what God does. You must be thinking about a mere confession...study the New Birth... regeneration instead. 📖👑
Ridiculous. Salvation is not a place you can walk away from. Salvation changes what you are. You are changed by God. You cannot change yourself. Yes, make sure you are in the faith. Make sure you really are saved and not a false convert. Falling away proves you were a false convert. If you are depending on your perseverance and works, you may be a false convert. You may have trusted God at first and been misled; you’re still saved despite embracing Insecurity. But if you trusted this mixture of God plus Self when you were “converted,” you are a false convert. Either way, repent of this idolatry of Self.
How can you say every genuine believer will persevere, while at the same time saying that the warnings of going to Hell "keep the believer"?.. the answer is YOU CANT. thats a contradiction. To have a healthy mindset that you can still fall away is both biblical AND calvinist doctrine. If voddie is being consistent with the calvinist teaching, he will agree with james white and John piper that the biblical warnings are the "MEANS by which God keeps his elect". Meaning that an elect child of God believes Gods preservatory warning that they can still end up in Hell at ALL TIMES, and that is effective in keeping them. But how can you REALLY believe you can end up in Hell if you also believe that you CANT?... the answer is YOU CANT! thats a blatant contradicton. The problem/error is claiming that every genuine believer is elect. ITS NOT TRUE. and thats the only way we can actually fear going to Hell. To KNOW that we might not be elect. But the totality of the calvinist doctrine DOES NOT ALLOW the genuine believer to even consider if they are Not Elect. If we know that we are saved, *and we know that the saved are the elect*, and we know that the elect cant perish, we arrive at the WRONG conclusion that the SAVED cant perish. But the truth is that WE can perish, because the SAVED can perish, because not every saved person is ELECT. God keeps his ELECT saved, but we dont KNOW if we are elect. Thats the only reason we are able to actaully be preserved by the warining. To know that we DONT KNOW wether or not we are the elect .. We know that we have been saved: *CORRECT* (Assurance of salvation) Gods elect wont lose their salvation: *CORRECT* ( perseverance of the elect) We know that WE wont lose OUT salvation, because every saved person is the elect that cant lose their salvation. *INCORRECT* ( Eternal Security of the genuine believer) the bible says nowhere that ONLY the elect get saved. Its says some *escape the corruption* of the world by knowing Jesus and then get Overcome *AGAIN,* because they are like WASHED pigs that by NATURE return to the mud. The bible describes NON ELECT SAVED PEOPLE LOSING THEIR SALVATION. that is why OSAS is a lie, and why if we truly are elect we wont believe we are, but instead fear God and PROVE IT by enduring rather than assuming. 2 Peter 2:20-22 NIV If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. [21] It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. [22] Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.” Romans 11:19-22 NIV You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” [20] Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. [21] For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. [22] Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
@@JAHtony1111 it's beyond clear. They simply have a strong error in their theology that makes them say "hmmm--it can't be what it looks like because that would contradict the truth".. they are just as sure that every saved person is elect (the error) as they are that a saved person can fall away ( the truth) so they make the two concepts wrestle with each other to see who wins. And conveniently, they declare the one that allows them to not fear God to win. So now everytime they see a passage that clearly shows you can lose your salvation, they simply check their erroneous theology that says every genuine believer is the elect, and explain away the truth. And error claims another victim..
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? Could you lose you salvation…”me” yeah I suppose so……..but I’m not the one keeping it 🎉😂
@@thetruthisnotsubjective Amen!
@@thetruthisnotsubjective u guys are gonna be unpleasantly surprised. Scripture is clear. The ungodly and disobedient will be rejected even tho they claim Christ.
@@JAHtony1111 scripture and verse
@@thetruthisnotsubjective rev.22:19 for one. U can have ur name removed from the book of life.
@@JAHtony1111Claiming is not the same as being saved. You made a false equivalency to support a false claim. You are trusting the idol of Self instead of trusting God.
A mortal Fallen man cannot keep his salvation, if keeping it depends on him. We would all lose our salvation if it depended on us. Imagine the angel constantly erasing your name and rewriting it into the book of life. Some of us would lose our salvation on our way home from baptism because someone cut us off in traffic. God doesn't lose what he has saved.
Heb 3:12 " Lest there be found in you an EVIL UNBELIEVING HEART , FALLING AWAY FROM THE LIVING GOD", so are they still saved?? 1 Tim 4:1 " The Spirit expressly says that is later times SOME WILL DEPART FROM THE FAITH GIVING HEED TO DOCTRINE OF DEMONS", so are they still saved?? Gal 5:4 " Severed from Christ.....fallen from grace..", are they still saved??
So, tell us, how long must we believe?? one day? week? month?? before we can have a "evil unbelieving heart" and still be saved?? So, Voddie believes that a believer can become an unbeliever and still be saved!! You can walk in darkness, 1 John 1:6, and live after the flesh, Romans 8, commit adultery, fornication and even murder, never ever repent...and you will still be saved.
So, everyone, out of your entire life, believe for one day, be eternally saved......and then you can do whatever you want....
yes if they harden their heart, they are still saved provided they actually believed in their heart and were sealed with the holy spirit until redemption day
departing from the faith doesn't mean lose salvation either, it means they leave the church ''the faith '' there's many lone rangers out there who have left the faith, not got unsaved or unsealed but no longer participate in Coporate worship because they have been deceived that they no longer need the faith, the phrase is the faith not salvation , not Jesus but
''the faith''!
Galatians 5 is just saying you cant be under grace and law at the same time , the context is not loss of salvation
yes you can believe for 1 day then live how ever you want there are earthly consequences, but you will absolutely still be saved , the thing people who do not have the holy spirit dont realize is the spirit changes your wants , if the only reason you don't do terrible heinous things is because fear of loss of salvation you have a heart issue and your just proving how wicked your mind and heart is still , either your a complete baby in Christ or you have not even received the spirit and are unsaved!
Acts 13:38-39
Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
39And by him all that believe are justified from all things
Titus3:5
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
Philippians 3:9
and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.
Romans1:17
For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “ The righteous will live by faith.”
Romans 4:5
But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him…
psalm103:10
He has not dealt with us according to our sins or repaid us according to our iniquities.
psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
2 corrin 5:19
For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.
no longer counting people’s sins against them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what does it mean to be justified?????????????????
@@wolfwatchers So, you can give HEED TO DOCTRINE OF DEMONS?? AND FALL AWAY FROM THE LIVING GOD and you will still be saved!!
So, tell everyone, how long must you believe?? One day? week? month? before you can have an EVIL UNBELIEVING HEART AND STILL BE SAVED?? So, wolfwatcher believes if you believe for one day, you have eternal life, and then you can do whatever you want, and heaven will still be your home.
Acts 13 38-39 what does it mean to believe?? is it a dead faith?? or a living faith?? and in Gal 3:26-27 it states that we become children of God by faith when we are baptized into Christ, when we put Christ on. Jesus said in Luke 24:47 " Repentance and forgiveness of sins to be preached in his name would begin in Jerusalem", and this happens in Acts 2, where Peter preaches the first gospel sermon. In v 37 they asked, " What must we do?" and Peter said v38 " Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins" and it says in v41 that those who received the word and were baptized, the Lord added them to the saved, v41 v47. And in v44 it says, " AND ALL WHO BELIEVED were together", the "BELIEVED" are those who received the word and were baptized, baptized believers.
Gal 5:4 says " you are SEVERED FROM CHRIST....FALLEN FROM GRACE", you are lost!!
Titus 1:15 " To the corrupt and unbelieving nothing is pure; their very minds and consciences are corrupted; they profess to know God, but they deny him by their deeds; they are detestable, disobedient, unfit...", yet you say they are still saved......
Phil 3:9 " which is through FAITH"....and is it through faith if you have a EVIL UNBELIEVING HEART?? Heb 3:12.....tell us, how long is it through faith?? one day? week?
I believe in the security of THE BELIEVER, AS LONG AS HE CONTINUES TO BELIEVE....but you believe a UNBELIEVER CAN BE SAVED.....
Romans 8:13 " For if you live by the flesh you will die.....v14 " For all who are led by the Spirit of God are Sons of God", so are you being led by the Spirit of God?? if you have a EVIL UNBELIEVING HEART?? GIVE HEED TO DOCTRINE OF DEMONS?? If you live by the flesh??
Gal 5:19 " Now the works of the flesh are plain, fornication, adultery.....I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God", yet you say they will. You believe you can "WALK IN DARKNESS, LIE AND LIVE NOT ACCORDING TO THE TRUTH", 1 JOHN 1:6 , and you believe you will still be saved......so, again, how long must I WALK IN THE LIGHT?? 1 John 1:7
Saved? Okay... I hear the truth of God's word, his plan through Jesus to rescue me from sin and death. I believe it and Jesus the Savior becomes my Savior, Jesus the Lord becomes my Lord. I believe!
Proponents of Insecurity start with a false definition of salvation. The new birth changes what you are. “Saved” is not a place you walk to or from.
“Saved” describes an end state. If your end state is freedom from condemnation, you are saved. If your end state is condemnation or still undetermined because it’s conditional, you are not yet saved.
So, if your end state depends on your perseverance or works, you are not saved. You need to stop trusting Self and shift your faith to God.
The gospel truth is what the Scripture says I agree! That is that God before the foundation of the world had a plan for salvation;
It was that He would give us His only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him would not parish but have eternal life. To be saved requires making a real choice to put one's faith in Jesus. This is something that God requires of us and will NOT do for us!
Lol this is some funny stuff. The whole epistle warns not to fall to false doctrine because its detrimental to your salvation. Eternal Security is not in scripture.
I love you voddie once saved always saved you might be in hell saying once lost always lost😮
Ridiculous. One can leave the faith. Many fall away. Better make ur calling AND election sure.
"Except a man be Born Again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." John 3:3 or enter v5.... What is born of water and the Spirit? Look at Titus 3:5 "He saved us by ... The washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit." Now go look at Ezekiel 36:25-27 See what God does. You must be thinking about a mere confession...study the New Birth... regeneration instead. 📖👑
Ridiculous. Salvation is not a place you can walk away from. Salvation changes what you are. You are changed by God. You cannot change yourself.
Yes, make sure you are in the faith. Make sure you really are saved and not a false convert. Falling away proves you were a false convert.
If you are depending on your perseverance and works, you may be a false convert. You may have trusted God at first and been misled; you’re still saved despite embracing Insecurity. But if you trusted this mixture of God plus Self when you were “converted,” you are a false convert. Either way, repent of this idolatry of Self.
U not Saved. ruclips.net/video/FjyKpU31ZDc/видео.html
How can you say every genuine believer will persevere, while at the same time saying that the warnings of going to Hell "keep the believer"?.. the answer is YOU CANT.
thats a contradiction. To have a healthy mindset that you can still fall away is both biblical AND calvinist doctrine. If voddie is being consistent with the calvinist teaching, he will agree with james white and John piper that the biblical warnings are the "MEANS by which God keeps his elect". Meaning that an elect child of God believes Gods preservatory warning that they can still end up in Hell at ALL TIMES, and that is effective in keeping them.
But how can you REALLY believe you can end up in Hell if you also believe that you CANT?... the answer is YOU CANT! thats a blatant contradicton.
The problem/error is claiming that every genuine believer is elect. ITS NOT TRUE. and thats the only way we can actually fear going to Hell. To KNOW that we might not be elect. But the totality of the calvinist doctrine DOES NOT ALLOW the genuine believer to even consider if they are Not Elect. If we know that we are saved, *and we know that the saved are the elect*, and we know that the elect cant perish, we arrive at the WRONG conclusion that the SAVED cant perish. But the truth is that WE can perish, because the SAVED can perish, because not every saved person is ELECT. God keeps his ELECT saved, but we dont KNOW if we are elect. Thats the only reason we are able to actaully be preserved by the warining. To know that we DONT KNOW wether or not we are the elect ..
We know that we have been saved: *CORRECT* (Assurance of salvation)
Gods elect wont lose their salvation:
*CORRECT* ( perseverance of the elect)
We know that WE wont lose OUT salvation, because every saved person is the elect that cant lose their salvation.
*INCORRECT*
( Eternal Security of the genuine believer)
the bible says nowhere that ONLY the elect get saved. Its says some *escape the corruption* of the world by knowing Jesus and then get Overcome *AGAIN,* because they are like WASHED pigs that by NATURE return to the mud. The bible describes NON ELECT SAVED PEOPLE LOSING THEIR SALVATION.
that is why OSAS is a lie, and why if we truly are elect we wont believe we are, but instead fear God and PROVE IT by enduring rather than assuming.
2 Peter 2:20-22 NIV
If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. [21] It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. [22] Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
Romans 11:19-22 NIV
You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” [20] Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. [21] For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. [22] Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
@@seekingtheoncesaved2834 agreed. Teach. We are given judas Ananias and his wife, Hymaneaus, Apollos, etc to show us osas is heresy.
@@JAHtony1111 it's beyond clear. They simply have a strong error in their theology that makes them say "hmmm--it can't be what it looks like because that would contradict the truth".. they are just as sure that every saved person is elect (the error) as they are that a saved person can fall away ( the truth) so they make the two concepts wrestle with each other to see who wins. And conveniently, they declare the one that allows them to not fear God to win. So now everytime they see a passage that clearly shows you can lose your salvation, they simply check their erroneous theology that says every genuine believer is the elect, and explain away the truth. And error claims another victim..
@@seekingtheoncesaved2834 amen brother
That’s a word salad worthy of Kamala. 😂
@@ricksonora6656 how so?