Amazing! Never heard such a detailed deconstruction of the song before. And that bass part definitely sounds like the Bass VI, so I'm going to say it's George on bass.
Paul is on drums here, lol. It's seems to be a pretty hot debate, though I have no clue why. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Ringo wasn't there. John and Paul, alone, recorded the ballad of John and Yoko just 2 days before the Old Browne Shoe session. Paul played drums on that one because Ringo was, guess what? Away filming the Magic Christian. George wasn't even at the session. It's seems only logical to assume that he wasn't wrapping up filming 2 days later and back home ready to record.
@@overjoyous The Ballad of John and Yoko session took place from 2:30pm - 7pm which was during when Ringo was filming. But there are other weekday sessions during this time that Ringo was 100% in. These took place after 7pm, so Ringo could make sessions during the filming they just had to be evening sessions. George did show up earlier on April 16th at 2pm to record a demo of Old Brown Shoe in anticipation of the start of the session at 7pm. So it seemed like George waited until 7pm to start recording the song when the whole group could be there. He could've started earlier but waited until 7pm. The Magic Christian theory is a good one that I'm now a little skeptical on after looking at other sessions during that period. If we could get a filming schedule it would help prove if Ringo could actually show up to the sessions, but all we have now is other sessions during the same period which do show Ringo could show up for evening sessions.
Paul on drums. Ringo was not there. Only 3 Beatles Present: Paul, George, John. April 16th 1969. 2 days Prior this recording, Paul and John did Ballad of J & Y. Ringo was absent too, filming the Magic Christian.
I am glad to see after all these years, some of the theories about who played what on some Beatles songs are starting to be solved. If George played all that it says he is playing in this video then wow wait ago Georgie. No one can beat Paul in the fact that he can legit play everything, but George certainly was a multi-instrumentalist when he wanted to be as well.
Thanks @HJCorn909 for saying it first. Yeah I'd say it was most likely John on organ. There is a photo from the April 18th session with John standing behind an organ and George on his rosewood telecaster, which is the exact guitar he used for the guitar solo, which was also overdubbed on that day. Another photo that was taken around the same time as the last photo shows him standing behind the same organ with headphones on, signaling that he must of been recording something. Plus the fact by the April 18th sessions, all the other three Beatles had their hands full with the song while John had only contributed backing vocals, so makes sense why they'd let him do the organ, just to have a bigger part in the song.
There's a photo from the Solo and Organ dub session that shows John on Organ and George on the Rosewood Tele, making John the organ player on the song. Still a great video
At that time, Lennon wasn't interested by Paul or Georges' songs... He wanted to play in HIS songs... Most of " Abbey road " recordings are made by the Threetles, Georges ( often on bass) Paul ( piano) and Ringo... On the basic track of " Old brown shoe " it's the Threetles, Ringo on drums, georges on piano and Paul on guitar...
Take 2, Take 3 and Take 4 (final take) there is only 3 Beatles: George on Guitar, John on Piano, Paul on drums. There is no bass, later George added it. If you are still in denial just listen take 2 or 4. Sorry, its not what you want to believe, we have to go by facts.
@@thechannel2446 the Paul played drums on Old Brown Shoe theory is totally false. Paul couldn’t play a shuffle, and even says so in this 2005 interview at his Hog Mill Hill studio. m.ruclips.net/video/YhZZiMOy334/видео.html Furthermore, in the Get Back documentary you see an early version of Old Brown Shoe being rehearsed. Both Ringo and Paul take turns at drums, and Paul struggles a lot with the beat. Ringo can be heard in later clips nailing the shuffle. Also, it doesn’t make sense that filming The Magic Christian would prevent Ringo from getting to EMI as it was being filmed in Twickenham, South West London and didn’t shoot on evenings and weekends.
@@Henry3Studios it is not what you believe or want to think, if you say Ringo played drums (which is incorrect) it means John Lennon was not in take 2, 3 and 4. No one has ever said such thing, which means your theory has no support. Sorry, Ringo is not in any take at all, only 3 Beatles were playing: George on guitar. In the meantime I will paste here some REAL statements: *George Harrison:* (Creem Interview) - You also told me you played bass on “Old Brown Shoe.” - It’s like a lunatic playing. - It sounds like McCartney was going nuts again. - That was me going nuts. I’m doing exactly what I do on the guitar. So that means George Plays Guitar. *Take a look at this one:* "It was a poorly kept secret among Beatle intimates that after Ringo left the studio Paul would often dub in the drum tracks himself ... [Starr] would pretend not to notice" *Pete Brown* Please Let us know what reliable source says Paul plays guitar, also please let us know what reliable source says John Lennon is not in Take 2, 3 and 4.
It's NOT Ringo. Trust me. Why trust me? Because I say so. I'm a drummer myself (a shitty one) but it's patently obvious that someone else is drumming on this track. We drummers can tell just by the impact on the drum heads and cymbals and whatnot. I'm not sure if it's Paul but... It's probably Paul.
@@jhamler1 I'm a bassplayer and also a drummer. This drumpatern has the absolute Ringo "feel". For example: Before the internet even existed I heard the song "Sour milk sea". This song was recorded and sung by Jackie Lomax and written by George Harrison. In those days I couldn't find out who played the drums on that song, but I was a 100% sure that Ringo played on that song. And years later this turned out to be right. And I'm pretty sure Ringo plays on Old brown shoe as well.
Again, a lot of Beatles information is debated. Even with the Beatles' channel giving credits to who did which (with the most recent info), many people will refute the official source's explanation with (from what I've seen) their own theories. I'm in the camp of Paul drumming here, where many people shoot that down.
@@Sekaoh the “Ringo was away filming the Magic Christian” theory doesn’t hold up. It was only being filmed in Twickenham, which is less than an hour away by rail from Abbey Road. Plus, they didn’t shoot on evenings and weekends. Also, in Get Back, we see an early version of the song being rehearsed. Paul can be seen struggling with the beat while Ringo quickly nails it.
Take 2, Take 3 and Take 4 (final take) there is only 3 Beatles: George on Guitar, John on Piano, Paul on drums. There is no bass, later George added it. If you are still in denial just listen take 2 or 4. Sorry, its not what you want to believe, we need to go by facts.
Of course its Ringo on drums. Absolutely typical Ringos drumming. Besides, one of Ringos main qualities is his shuffle, while Paul cant shuffle for his life.
Kenneth Womack confirmed that Mal Evans on his 16 April 1969 diary entry has George on piano, Ringo on drums and John on guitar. On that same day he has Paul on bass.
Idk about that last part. I think Paul played the rhythm. I feel like John would struggle with many of the chord changes, plus the bridge riff requires a lot of technical skill that John sometimes lacked.
@@JoaoGabriel-lk9cvwell he wasn’t contributing much to George’s songs around this time. Also beginning around TWA John would leave the more technical stuff to George or Paul
Is it really clear that George is playing bass on this? It is extremely dexterous for someone who is not a regular bass player. I know he plays very nice bass on some other tracks but this one is really demanding
Ability wise both George and Paul could play this bass guitar part no problem. With clearer isolations from Atmos mix the bass guitar tone sounds like Paul's Rickenbacker with tapewound strings to me.
Lo que se que confesó Harrsuon que toco el bajo ,solo que no se si podía cantar y tocar como lo hacía Paul ,es un bajo muy veloz y no lo ejecuta cualquiera
RINGO IS NOT THERE GUYS. Take 2, Take 3 and Take 4 (final take) there is only 3 Beatles: George on Guitar, John on Piano, Paul on drums. There is no bass, later George added it. If you are still in denial just listen take 2 or 4. Sorry, its not what you want to believe, we need to go by facts.
@@thechannel2446Have you actually listened to the drumming or are you just accepting the theory that somehow Ringo couldn’t have played on a track late in the evening because he was involved in filming during the day?
@@andrewkemp1882 Lol you guys are in denial. All you say is "I think", "I believe", "maybe", etc .... are you aware of what you are saying ? Don't you understand that the person playing in this take 2 (and take 4) is the person playing in the final cut ? At the end I will leave you with this words from Mr Pete Brown: " "it was a poorly kept secret among Beatle intimates that after Ringo left the studio Paul would often dub in the drum tracks himself ... [Starr] would pretend not to notice"
Why is Ringo not present ? Take 2 or take 4 (final take) will clarify your doubts. Only 3 instruments, only 3 Beatles: Guitar (George), Piano (John) and Drums (Paul). That's the reason why there is no bass. If Ringo was present Paul would be playing bass, and later would add the Piano. Normally on most Beatles song there is a bass, but not here, and its because they needed a drummer. John was on Piano.
Nonsense. Then bass was frequently overdubbed after the basic track was made, across their catalogue, especially in the second half of their recoding career.
This is NOT Ringo. I don't care about logistical circumstances, you can tell just by the sound of the kick drum compared to EVERY other Beatles track in historicity. If it's not Paul on the kit then it's one of the roadies or some other drummer hanging around the studio popped in for a take.
I don't think it's a good idea to compare the sound of the drum set as that is mostly about how it was mic'd rather than who played it. That would be more about who engineered the session. This isolation also isn't the raw multi-tack so has artifacts and the production along with it. It just makes more sense it was Ringo. The only given reason that Paul played drums was that Ringo was filming. But if Ringo wasn't filming then it was him.
If you still believe that's Ringo there is a lot you have to explain: Take 2, 3 and 4 (final take) there is only 3 Beatles, which Beatle is playing what ? Take 2 (which you can find in youtube) you will notice only 3 Beatles. Same as April 14th with Ballad of J & Y, Ringo was dealing with Magic Christian.
I did explain why I choose who played what. Ringo's filming of the Magic Christian only happened during the morning to afternoon leaving the evening open. The Ballad of John and Yoko session took place during the afternoon which meant Ringo 100% couldn't make it. Other sessions during that month as I highlighted in the description took place in the evening and Ringo was present. Therefore we can assume Ringo could've made it. Read the description as I've put my reasons in more detail also the first minute of the video goes over it as well.
@@isolatedstems So let me see if understand you: There is nowhere in this planet where you can find *John Lennon was not present,* right ? but you assume John was not there, with zero evidence. Let me know if that's what you mean. Also you can bet all your money, if Paul was present during those sessions (2,3,4), he would play bass and then add the piano. Again, Bealtes ALWAYS recorded the bass during any session. Please let me know where we can find John was absent during take 2,3 or 4. Thanks
@@thechannel2446 That's not what I said. John was present, but he probably just didn't play on the basic track which isn't out of place for him. John's voice is heard in the piano's mic far in the room. I provided plenty of evidence from take 2 that shows that he probably didn't play guitar. Do you have any substantial evidence? That contradicts something in my video or description.
@@isolatedstems The problem is, in a topic like this one, when someone says "probably" or "I think" then the rest doesn't mean that much, right ? in discussions like this one we have to go with the facts, statements or gospels like Take 2, 3 and 4. Here we have some facts: - A Beatle was absent during those days (Ringo) -There is 3 instruments in all takes, and whoever is playing drums in take 2 is doing it in take 4, right ? - Regardless of what I just said, there is multiple sources stating Ringo was not there during the recording. - Another fact: John was in a hurry trying to release that single, its tough to think he was not contributing during any take, right ? Also, here is another statement by someone very close associate to them: *"it was a poorly kept secret among Beatle intimates that after Ringo left the studio Paul would often dub in the drum tracks himself ... [Starr] would pretend not to notice"* - Pete Brown
@@thechannel2446 -Ringo being absent is not a fact it's an assumption which is debunked by other later sessions during the weekdays of April that Ringo attended. -There were only three instruments on the basic track. The piano, drums, and guitar. The guitar playing a line that was later doubled by the bass which was played by George. We know for the bass overdub the guitar overdub was played on the same track and at the same time so Paul played it again. -The only evidence those sources have is that Ringo might have been gone due to the Magical Christian filming which as other sessions show Ringo could make evening sessions which OBS was. -That's an assumption as that the Ballad Of John and Yoko single didn't come out until nearly a month later on May 30th. It makes sense that John would sit out of the recording if Paul took up guitar duties since he wouldn't want to play bass. The track was finished that week as well. -Much of what I've heard from Peter Brown is nonsense. The only tracks which didn't have Ringo drumming was when he wasn't there. Paul may have been a control freak at times but he wouldn't take the time to overdub a new drum part that Ringo already laid down. Paul and John both had nothing good to say about Peter Brown who just seemed to want to stir up drama and ruin reputations. Now if you can provide a source where any of the engineers present, George Martin, Mal Evens, or Neil Aspinall said Ringo was gone for sure then I'll believe it. The circumstantial evidence at the time just doesn't definitively show who played what 100%. I think the assumptions and I made are backed up by all the circumstantial and audio evidence we have.
George definitely played the organ overdub. But it is possible John played guitar instead of Paul. I just think it's Paul because of the reason in the video.
There was circumstantial evidence that Ringo may not have been able to make it due to the Magic Christian filming. So it's reasonable to assume with no other real information that Paul stepped in. However due to the session time I'm just assuming Ringo could've made it. We don't know the full truth.
@@isolatedstems Ok thanks. I always wondered what John said in the middle of this song and now since I heard the vocal only after all these decades now I know. (WRONG GUITAR)
Paul McCartney did NOT play the guitar solos on Old Brown Shoe. George Harrison played the guitar solos (plural) and bass. Presenting photographs of Paul McCartney playing guitar to suggest that he played the solo is slovenly research and editing at best -- and incompetent research and dishonest representation at worst.
I did put a George's photo during the solo isolation section. In my research Paul most likely played the other two guitar that weren't the solos. Unless you didn't watch the full video there's no way you would think I was presenting that Paul played the guitar solos. I made my case why I picked who played what very clear through the description and beginning of the video. I've even labeled what track the instruments were recorded on.
George and John harmonizing is such a rare treat.
Amazing! Never heard such a detailed deconstruction of the song before. And that bass part definitely sounds like the Bass VI, so I'm going to say it's George on bass.
Ringo's drumming is rock solid
Paul is on drums here, lol. It's seems to be a pretty hot debate, though I have no clue why. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Ringo wasn't there. John and Paul, alone, recorded the ballad of John and Yoko just 2 days before the Old Browne Shoe session. Paul played drums on that one because Ringo was, guess what? Away filming the Magic Christian. George wasn't even at the session. It's seems only logical to assume that he wasn't wrapping up filming 2 days later and back home ready to record.
@@overjoyousdefinitely not Paul. That’s 100% ringo drumming
@@overjoyous The Ballad of John and Yoko session took place from 2:30pm - 7pm which was during when Ringo was filming. But there are other weekday sessions during this time that Ringo was 100% in. These took place after 7pm, so Ringo could make sessions during the filming they just had to be evening sessions. George did show up earlier on April 16th at 2pm to record a demo of Old Brown Shoe in anticipation of the start of the session at 7pm. So it seemed like George waited until 7pm to start recording the song when the whole group could be there. He could've started earlier but waited until 7pm. The Magic Christian theory is a good one that I'm now a little skeptical on after looking at other sessions during that period. If we could get a filming schedule it would help prove if Ringo could actually show up to the sessions, but all we have now is other sessions during the same period which do show Ringo could show up for evening sessions.
Technically, Paul was not able to play this drum part.
Paul on drums. Ringo was not there. Only 3 Beatles Present: Paul, George, John. April 16th 1969. 2 days Prior this recording, Paul and John did Ballad of J & Y. Ringo was absent too, filming the Magic Christian.
Absolutely beautiful analysis in the beginning
Killer bassline
Absolutely love the isolated vocals. You can hear stuff never heard before
One the Beatles hidden gems
Best one I've heard for this song, keep killing it 🤟
Fascinating, thank you so much for posting and the photos are brilliant 💚💚
I am glad to see after all these years, some of the theories about who played what on some Beatles songs are starting to be solved. If George played all that it says he is playing in this video then wow wait ago Georgie. No one can beat Paul in the fact that he can legit play everything, but George certainly was a multi-instrumentalist when he wanted to be as well.
Thanks @HJCorn909 for saying it first. Yeah I'd say it was most likely John on organ. There is a photo from the April 18th session with John standing behind an organ and George on his rosewood telecaster, which is the exact guitar he used for the guitar solo, which was also overdubbed on that day. Another photo that was taken around the same time as the last photo shows him standing behind the same organ with headphones on, signaling that he must of been recording something. Plus the fact by the April 18th sessions, all the other three Beatles had their hands full with the song while John had only contributed backing vocals, so makes sense why they'd let him do the organ, just to have a bigger part in the song.
what talent! all playing different instruments expertly , Love the Beatles !!!
There's a photo from the Solo and Organ dub session that shows John on Organ and George on the Rosewood Tele, making John the organ player on the song. Still a great video
No it’s George on organ. John would have struggled with many of the chord changes
At that time, Lennon wasn't interested by Paul or Georges' songs... He wanted to play in HIS songs... Most of " Abbey road " recordings are made by the Threetles, Georges ( often on bass) Paul ( piano) and Ringo... On the basic track of " Old brown shoe " it's the Threetles, Ringo on drums, georges on piano and Paul on guitar...
Oui oui!
That's clearly George playing the guitar solo.
@@ashbowen6551no one is arguing about that.
Lennon was invested in Paul’s songs if they suited him. John loved some Paul songs from era.
my own personal headcanon was that they got Ringo to sing harmony on "wearing rings on every finger"
I never believed the Paul on drums theory haha. There’s a fill in there that’s exactly the same as Tell Me Why, it’s almost a fingerprint match
Henry , I agree! I said the same thing about the Tell Me Why comparison
Agree. Ringo keeps impeccable time.
Take 2, Take 3 and Take 4 (final take) there is only 3 Beatles: George on Guitar, John on Piano, Paul on drums. There is no bass, later George added it. If you are still in denial just listen take 2 or 4. Sorry, its not what you want to believe, we have to go by facts.
@@thechannel2446 the Paul played drums on Old Brown Shoe theory is totally false. Paul couldn’t play a shuffle, and even says so in this 2005 interview at his Hog Mill Hill studio.
m.ruclips.net/video/YhZZiMOy334/видео.html
Furthermore, in the Get Back documentary you see an early version of Old Brown Shoe being rehearsed. Both Ringo and Paul take turns at drums, and Paul struggles a lot with the beat. Ringo can be heard in later clips nailing the shuffle. Also, it doesn’t make sense that filming The Magic Christian would prevent Ringo from getting to EMI as it was being filmed in Twickenham, South West London and didn’t shoot on evenings and weekends.
@@Henry3Studios it is not what you believe or want to think, if you say Ringo played drums (which is incorrect) it means John Lennon was not in take 2, 3 and 4. No one has ever said such thing, which means your theory has no support. Sorry, Ringo is not in any take at all, only 3 Beatles were playing: George on guitar. In the meantime I will paste here some REAL statements:
*George Harrison:* (Creem Interview)
- You also told me you played bass on “Old Brown Shoe.”
- It’s like a lunatic playing.
- It sounds like McCartney was going nuts again.
- That was me going nuts. I’m doing exactly what I do on the guitar.
So that means George Plays Guitar.
*Take a look at this one:*
"It was a poorly kept secret among Beatle intimates that after Ringo left the studio Paul would often dub in the drum tracks himself ... [Starr] would pretend not to notice" *Pete Brown*
Please Let us know what reliable source says Paul plays guitar, also please let us know what reliable source says John Lennon is not in Take 2, 3 and 4.
SO NICE
No doubt that it's Ringo on drums. Paul couldn't play a shuffle like this.
Paul is even quoted as saying he wasn’t great at shuffle drumming. I can look it up and post it.
@@drummer78 I know which footage you mean. It's the one with Klaus Voormann recording a Fats Domino song.
It's NOT Ringo. Trust me. Why trust me? Because I say so. I'm a drummer myself (a shitty one) but it's patently obvious that someone else is drumming on this track. We drummers can tell just by the impact on the drum heads and cymbals and whatnot. I'm not sure if it's Paul but... It's probably Paul.
@@jhamler1 I'm a bassplayer and also a drummer. This drumpatern has the absolute Ringo "feel".
For example: Before the internet even existed I heard the song "Sour milk sea". This song was recorded and sung by Jackie Lomax and written by George Harrison. In those days I couldn't find out who played the drums on that song, but I was a 100% sure that Ringo played on that song. And years later this turned out to be right. And I'm pretty sure Ringo plays on Old brown shoe as well.
Genious
Thank god is Ringo. If was Paul on Drums, my life would be a Lie.
Again, a lot of Beatles information is debated. Even with the Beatles' channel giving credits to who did which (with the most recent info), many people will refute the official source's explanation with (from what I've seen) their own theories. I'm in the camp of Paul drumming here, where many people shoot that down.
@@SekaohPaul cannot shuffle especially at this speed and those fills are 100% ringo fills
Paul don't swing!
@@Sekaoh the “Ringo was away filming the Magic Christian” theory doesn’t hold up. It was only being filmed in Twickenham, which is less than an hour away by rail from Abbey Road. Plus, they didn’t shoot on evenings and weekends. Also, in Get Back, we see an early version of the song being rehearsed. Paul can be seen struggling with the beat while Ringo quickly nails it.
Take 2, Take 3 and Take 4 (final take) there is only 3 Beatles: George on Guitar, John on Piano, Paul on drums. There is no bass, later George added it. If you are still in denial just listen take 2 or 4. Sorry, its not what you want to believe, we need to go by facts.
Of course its Ringo on drums. Absolutely typical Ringos drumming. Besides, one of Ringos main qualities is his shuffle, while Paul cant shuffle for his life.
It looks like you’re a Ringo fan.
Kenneth Womack confirmed that Mal Evans on his 16 April 1969 diary entry has George on piano, Ringo on drums and John on guitar.
On that same day he has Paul on bass.
Can I get a link? I'm scouring the book and internet, but can't find anything on it.
Idk about that last part. I think Paul played the rhythm. I feel like John would struggle with many of the chord changes, plus the bridge riff requires a lot of technical skill that John sometimes lacked.
@@Henry3Studiosjohn is so underrated on guitar. I don’t think he would struggle in here.
@@JoaoGabriel-lk9cvwell he wasn’t contributing much to George’s songs around this time. Also beginning around TWA John would leave the more technical stuff to George or Paul
@@isolatedstemssent you an email
リンゴのビートが素晴らし過ぎる
Is that Yoko at the 19:52 mark??
So is George on bass? 😮
Yes
10:38 GEORGE PONE UN DUDA MI HETEROSEXUALIDAD
Is it really clear that George is playing bass on this? It is extremely dexterous for someone who is not a regular bass player. I know he plays very nice bass on some other tracks but this one is really demanding
Ability wise both George and Paul could play this bass guitar part no problem. With clearer isolations from Atmos mix the bass guitar tone sounds like Paul's Rickenbacker with tapewound strings to me.
@@gilasspit’s George on the Bass VI
Don’t underestimate guitar players, some of em can destroy on bass
George said he played bass
Lo que se que confesó Harrsuon que toco el bajo ,solo que no se si podía cantar y tocar como lo hacía Paul ,es un bajo muy veloz y no lo ejecuta cualquiera
スケジュール的にはリンゴは間違いなくこの場にいなかった、だからこのドラムはポールが叩いていることになる。当のポールは自分はシャッフルを叩けないといっていた・・だけどこのドラムはやはりポールであると思う。
I swear some of George’s bass works are better than Paul’s.
Came here for the drums!
RINGO IS NOT THERE GUYS. Take 2, Take 3 and Take 4 (final take) there is only 3 Beatles: George on Guitar, John on Piano, Paul on drums. There is no bass, later George added it. If you are still in denial just listen take 2 or 4. Sorry, its not what you want to believe, we need to go by facts.
Except that it’s obviously Ringo playing drums.
@@andrewkemp1882 Ringo was not there. NO matter what you think or believe, he is not there. Only 3 Beatles present. Nice try.
@@thechannel2446Have you actually listened to the drumming or are you just accepting the theory that somehow Ringo couldn’t have played on a track late in the evening because he was involved in filming during the day?
@@andrewkemp1882 Lol you guys are in denial. All you say is "I think", "I believe", "maybe", etc .... are you aware of what you are saying ? Don't you understand that the person playing in this take 2 (and take 4) is the person playing in the final cut ?
At the end I will leave you with this words from Mr Pete Brown: " "it was a poorly kept secret among Beatle intimates that after Ringo left the studio Paul would often dub in the drum tracks himself ... [Starr] would pretend not to notice"
@@thechannel2446 here we go again with the Ringo denialists. What will you say next to try and shock us, that Paul is dead?
Why is Ringo not present ? Take 2 or take 4 (final take) will clarify your doubts. Only 3 instruments, only 3 Beatles: Guitar (George), Piano (John) and Drums (Paul). That's the reason why there is no bass. If Ringo was present Paul would be playing bass, and later would add the Piano. Normally on most Beatles song there is a bass, but not here, and its because they needed a drummer. John was on Piano.
Nonsense. Then bass was frequently overdubbed after the basic track was made, across their catalogue, especially in the second half of their recoding career.
@@andrewkemp1882 Sorry, only 3 Beatles present. Ringo was not there on April 14th neither April 16th
This is NOT Ringo. I don't care about logistical circumstances, you can tell just by the sound of the kick drum compared to EVERY other Beatles track in historicity. If it's not Paul on the kit then it's one of the roadies or some other drummer hanging around the studio popped in for a take.
I don't think it's a good idea to compare the sound of the drum set as that is mostly about how it was mic'd rather than who played it. That would be more about who engineered the session. This isolation also isn't the raw multi-tack so has artifacts and the production along with it. It just makes more sense it was Ringo. The only given reason that Paul played drums was that Ringo was filming. But if Ringo wasn't filming then it was him.
If you still believe that's Ringo there is a lot you have to explain:
Take 2, 3 and 4 (final take) there is only 3 Beatles, which Beatle is playing what ? Take 2 (which you can find in youtube) you will notice only 3 Beatles. Same as April 14th with Ballad of J & Y, Ringo was dealing with Magic Christian.
I did explain why I choose who played what. Ringo's filming of the Magic Christian only happened during the morning to afternoon leaving the evening open. The Ballad of John and Yoko session took place during the afternoon which meant Ringo 100% couldn't make it. Other sessions during that month as I highlighted in the description took place in the evening and Ringo was present. Therefore we can assume Ringo could've made it. Read the description as I've put my reasons in more detail also the first minute of the video goes over it as well.
@@isolatedstems So let me see if understand you: There is nowhere in this planet where you can find *John Lennon was not present,* right ? but you assume John was not there, with zero evidence. Let me know if that's what you mean. Also you can bet all your money, if Paul was present during those sessions (2,3,4), he would play bass and then add the piano. Again, Bealtes ALWAYS recorded the bass during any session. Please let me know where we can find John was absent during take 2,3 or 4. Thanks
@@thechannel2446 That's not what I said. John was present, but he probably just didn't play on the basic track which isn't out of place for him. John's voice is heard in the piano's mic far in the room. I provided plenty of evidence from take 2 that shows that he probably didn't play guitar. Do you have any substantial evidence? That contradicts something in my video or description.
@@isolatedstems The problem is, in a topic like this one, when someone says "probably" or "I think" then the rest doesn't mean that much, right ? in discussions like this one we have to go with the facts, statements or gospels like Take 2, 3 and 4.
Here we have some facts:
- A Beatle was absent during those days (Ringo)
-There is 3 instruments in all takes, and whoever is playing drums in take 2 is doing it in take 4, right ?
- Regardless of what I just said, there is multiple sources stating Ringo was not there during the recording.
- Another fact: John was in a hurry trying to release that single, its tough to think he was not contributing during any take, right ?
Also, here is another statement by someone very close associate to them:
*"it was a poorly kept secret among Beatle intimates that after Ringo left the studio Paul would often dub in the drum tracks himself ... [Starr] would pretend not to notice"* - Pete Brown
@@thechannel2446 -Ringo being absent is not a fact it's an assumption which is debunked by other later sessions during the weekdays of April that Ringo attended.
-There were only three instruments on the basic track. The piano, drums, and guitar. The guitar playing a line that was later doubled by the bass which was played by George. We know for the bass overdub the guitar overdub was played on the same track and at the same time so Paul played it again.
-The only evidence those sources have is that Ringo might have been gone due to the Magical Christian filming which as other sessions show Ringo could make evening sessions which OBS was.
-That's an assumption as that the Ballad Of John and Yoko single didn't come out until nearly a month later on May 30th. It makes sense that John would sit out of the recording if Paul took up guitar duties since he wouldn't want to play bass. The track was finished that week as well.
-Much of what I've heard from Peter Brown is nonsense. The only tracks which didn't have Ringo drumming was when he wasn't there. Paul may have been a control freak at times but he wouldn't take the time to overdub a new drum part that Ringo already laid down. Paul and John both had nothing good to say about Peter Brown who just seemed to want to stir up drama and ruin reputations.
Now if you can provide a source where any of the engineers present, George Martin, Mal Evens, or Neil Aspinall said Ringo was gone for sure then I'll believe it. The circumstantial evidence at the time just doesn't definitively show who played what 100%. I think the assumptions and I made are backed up by all the circumstantial and audio evidence we have.
How’d you isolate these so cleanly?
Atmos and anthology 5.1 mixes
I think john could have played Organ or one of the guitars tbh
George definitely played the organ overdub. But it is possible John played guitar instead of Paul. I just think it's Paul because of the reason in the video.
@@isolatedstemsalso the fast riff in the bridge requires a lot of technical skill that John sometimes lacked on guitar
Ringo on drums all the way. I don´t know why Giles Martin says it's Paul on drums. What a jerk.
There was circumstantial evidence that Ringo may not have been able to make it due to the Magic Christian filming. So it's reasonable to assume with no other real information that Paul stepped in. However due to the session time I'm just assuming Ringo could've made it. We don't know the full truth.
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These are always fun to watch and listen to but could you slow down the words please I have to keep backing it up and I've got a piece of crap phone.
Yeah I thought they were moved too fast as well. I'll slow them down if I do something like that in the future.
@@isolatedstems Ok thanks. I always wondered what John said in the middle of this song and now since I heard the vocal only after all these decades now I know. (WRONG GUITAR)
Nice, especially Ringo's drums. Cue: ruclips.net/video/NEOHFbhWiG0/видео.htmlsi=-7sjZhjcyJcxOOj5 😩
I never believed the Paul theory haha
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Kinda wierd and simple. Just another great song by the Beatles. Written by George. Nobody like them.
Paul McCartney did NOT play the guitar solos on Old Brown Shoe. George Harrison played the guitar solos (plural) and bass. Presenting photographs of Paul McCartney playing guitar to suggest that he played the solo is slovenly research and editing at best -- and incompetent research and dishonest representation at worst.
I did put a George's photo during the solo isolation section. In my research Paul most likely played the other two guitar that weren't the solos. Unless you didn't watch the full video there's no way you would think I was presenting that Paul played the guitar solos. I made my case why I picked who played what very clear through the description and beginning of the video. I've even labeled what track the instruments were recorded on.