Exactly & there are several moderate tories who would rather support Labour or Lib Dems than farage & reform voters hate the tories as much as everybody else
I don't think they'll "join forces" per se, the Torries are FAR too arrogant for that, but they would probably go into coalition if they had the chance.
@@justaboutaverage9558 too arrogant, he got 4 million votes and was the biggest party in a lot of demographics. Now that people realise reform is serious reform will just balloon
Elections can be heavily influenced years before the vote. This will be used as an attacking point alongside other things to try and win later, when people only vaguely remember the details
@@backstabba It would have to be mass protest for them to call a GE. They will call a no confidence on Starmer before they call a GE with how much power they have.
It seems entirely unlikely that the various right wing factions will come together. Until an appropriate leader with a unifying message emerges they will be no more than a variety of disperate interest groups.
@@dalecrocker3213 That's exactly what I was thinking. Farage is too divisive and has too much baggage, Badenok is too attached to previous Tory failures, UKIP is too associated with Brexit and Tommy Robinson has a criminal record. Basically that leaves Jeremy Clarkson!
@@TheAmericanPrometheusNo he isn’t, his economic policies are rubbish. People who are more centrist with economic policies but conservative in social issues won’t vote for him
"nothing is going to change" labour in the 2000s raise people out of poverty, homelessness at record lows, food poverty lows, no waiting lists on NHS, financial support systems not amazing but not evil, prisons doing okay. tories in the 2010/20ss, millions more in poverty to the point they have to redefine the meaning to try and save face, homelessness spikes and many members attempt to pass laws criminalising it because they dont want to see it, millions using food banks, 6 months to near 2 year waiting lists on NHS, financial support systems rigged against the most vulnerable to the point of disgusting actions like labelling people with 6 months to live as fit for work, removing access to wheelchair users to void their disability if they get in the building by being carried, prison system collapse. "nothing changes" right?
I agree with you entirely. HOWEVER the picture is sadly much bigger than that. You have NOTHING LIKE a REAL Democracy - merely Vote, nothing more. THE GOVERNMENT IS SIMPLY NOT WORKING FOR YOU OR YOUR FAMILY…… IT’S INEFFECTIVE, SOCIALLY DIVISIVE AND GROSSLY INEFFICIENT 1. PERFORMANCE. For the past 10,20,30,40 or even 50 years, YOU, the people, have NOT GOT, what YOU Wanted, Needed, and Hoped for - WHICHEVER Party was “in Power” ! 2. ROOT CAUSE. The current Political “System”, was Never designed to Help YOU - Just the elites. 3. RESPONSE / GOAL. Replace the current system with a COMPLETELY NEW ONE - Designed to Help Us All ! (ie a REAL Democracy. NOT THE B/S you got now !) 4. SO…. FIND OUT what ALL the people Want and Need ( their “Visions” Not yours). Create a “Peoples Register of Visions”. Dead easy these days with technology and AI. 5. Your Party then develops Strategies, Policies and Methods to achieve the goals as defined in the “Peoples Register of Visions” - as per 4 above. 6. YOUR party then pledges to Deliver the Outcomes defined in the Register. 7. GET ELECTED……………Obviously, as the people WANT what you are offering. 8. Your Party empowers ALL of Parliament to work together to improve on the current policies/methods to Achieve the Peoples Visions as per the Register. 9. ALL OF PARLIAMENT WORK TOGETHER to Deliver the Visions/Goals/Outcomes in the Register - as required by the People. JOB WELL DONE 10. Get RE-ELECTED. -- No reason not to be…. You’ve served the people well……. You’ve now Retained the Treasury Benches, Along with the rest of the parliamentary members who have ALL been working together……….. 11. All of Government, All Parties, Continue to Serve the People and deliver THEIR WILL - NOT Your Party’s Will…………. 12. Results. No more idle/ broken party promises. No more pointless lies or U-Turns. No more pointless confrontation - only efficient parliamentary cooperation to achieve the Peoples Visions, NOT your Party’s. 13. FINAL HURDLE. Regardless of Party…..Compared with your Current MP, this will PROBABLY require a Very different Type of Person to become YOUR NEXT MP. One who is a Servant/Leader, NOT a Self-Serving (Party-Serving) “Career Hack”. OVER TO YOU NOW. YOU HAVE THE FORMULA……. NO MORE WATCHING………. Time to get Stuck In !!!!!
depends on what you mean by 'nothing will change' . Brexit was a very big change - for the worse IMHO - but it was a change. Those that espoused it will say it didn't produce the change they wanted but they always were looking for an impossible unicorn - again IMHO. What peopel who use the phrase that you use is something immensely better than we have now. But such a revolution is extremely unlikely in teh world we live in. Even if you let in supposed radical Reform as the governmnet there would be little in way of radical difference after 5 years in gov and any change would likely be for the bad again.
You’re overestimating the similarities between reform and the conservatives. Yes they’re both right wing, but the difference between populism and globalism is startling. Reform would have a better chance uniting with an economically left wing party who are culturally conservative (like the parties mentioned in your Conservative left video)
@ well I literally said in the comment “mentioned in your conservative left video”. They have a video about the conservative left and its rise in Germany.
@@Alt300 Given the broader shift to the right post Kemi, I wouldn't be so sure you know. Trumpism, supported by Musk's constant criticism of the Labour government on X, combined with the fact we've got five years to go with all of this-I really think it's in the realm of possibility, at least.
@Jeevessss he isn't. He wants to drag them to the right, and actually be closer to their median Tory voter, and lead them but the Tories don't want either.
The Tories would probably have to give up ground to get an agreement with Reform. Basically, the Tories would probably have to withdraw from Wales completely (because Reform seem ahead of the Tories in Wales), and constituencies where Reform were 2nd. Then maybe Reform would withdraw from constituencies where they had no chance. But I think the Tories might be too stubborn to do that.
Reform, UK are currently pulling first in Wales at 38%, they are also gaining ground in Scotland, some polls suggest if a general election were held today before we could get 80-130 seats
@@MrH1990s I’ve not seen those polls. However if Reform came 1st in Wales (and by extension had a Reform First Minister) that would be a colossal change and massive boost to Reform.
@@MrH1990sReform could get a 10 to 15 seats in Wales parliament but not enough to actually govern. It is beyond crazy to believe that reform could get more than 20 seats at the next general election with the first past the post system. You are chatting utter rubbish
Basic rule of UK politics: Oppositions don't win elections, Governments lose them. "Uniting the Right", even if it could be done before 2029 (which I doubt), is besides the point.
@@chindit6784 You have NO idea where we will be in 4 years. IF things continue in this direction, Reform will win in a landslide, just like Trump. The world is about to change, hold onto your panties.
@@chindit6784 If Labour's poll figures drop any lower, and the tories run a good campaign on 2029, then they may be able to win a thin but substantial majority. Labour did that this time, winning a landslide majority with voting percentages that would normally lose an election. Yes, that was partly because of the split in the right, but let's not forget that the SNP in Scotland and Lib Dems in England both take voters who would otherwise vote Labour, so they could cancel each other out, especially as the Lib Dems playing friendly with an unpopular governing party and not running against them in all seats would likely not be received very well by the general public.
Given the polling figures right now, and assuming Starmer is still leader next election, there is no chance labour could win; Starmer has done nothing but be caught up in excessively damaging controversies in the last 4 months. I think Labour back benchers will look to dethrone Starmer befoee the next election.
If this does happen, which I doubt, I predict they'll get into power, then immediately collapse upon realising that in order to work together they actually need to agree on something other than "don't like Labour"
They'll have to agree on something that isn't "We don't like Labour" or "Wah wah The Woke Mind Virus is oppressing us" bullshit and actually govern their damn country for once
Reform don't really believe in anything much except mild xenophobia.They would do a deal if they get to swan around in ministerial cars. I don't think the tories will offer them one though-labour will be so unpopular by 2028 they won't need to.
@@morganpowell-atkins5206 The tories don't want to reduce immigration. You you understand the concept of lying? They lied because they know it's what the people want. They didn't do it because they actively hate the British people.
It's a bit odd to say that this is an 8 minute video about the chances of the right uniting 7 minutes into the video... The last minute being just an ad read that don't actually really discuss those chances. I don't mind the ads, but it feels a bit disingenuous to say that the total video time is all about the main topic we clicked in for.
Yeah, i am glad i wasn't the one who has noticed this. It's not just happening with TLDR channel but others like economics explained who gives an entire history of Ireland to explain what they could do with some excess money.
I actually think a good number of the Tory moderates are better aligned with starmer than their party tbh on alot of issues. Also, reforms whole selling point is that they are not the Torys. If they merge that will be gone. Also, it seems very likely to me that much of the remaining tory vote share is moderate voters who simply have no where else to go, therefore further moves to the right by the Torys would be disasterous for them.
Lib Dem’s got 12% of the vote while only running seriously in like a third of the seats The problem for the tories is how risky it is for them to move further right
Just for your information. 70% of the farmland in Britain is farmed by tenant farmers. Nearly three quarters of all British farmers will never pay inheritance tax on their land, because they don't own it, they rent it from someone much much richer than them. It's the people who the 70% of UK farmers pay rent to who were the ones protesting in London. It was essentially a protest by landlords
"30% of British farmers will be made to pay inheritance tax on their land because they own it and will be faced with likely being forced to sell their family's land to someone much richer than them. It was essentially a protest by generational farmers." Fixed that for you. Even *if* your numbers are correct your logic is still tremendously flawed and driven by petty spite. In a desire to attack landlords you're comfortable with 30% of UK farmers being put in the firing line because their parents died and thus you think the government is entitled to the land which has belonged to them for in some cases longer than the Labour Party has even existed. It is the politics of envy and if Starmer actually wanted to target landlords he wouldn't be announcing his friendship with Blackrock. You've been conned.
"30% of British farmers will be made to pay inheritance tax on their land because they own it and will be faced with likely being forced to sell their family's land to someone much richer than them. It was essentially a protest by generational farmers." Even if your numbers are correct your logic is still tremendously flawed and driven by petty spite. In a desire to attack landlords you're comfortable with 30% of UK farmers being put in the firing line because their parents died and thus you think the government is entitled to the land which has belonged to them for in some cases longer than the Labour Party has even existed. It is the politics of envy and if Starmer actually wanted to target landlords he wouldn't be announcing his friendship with multi-national landlord companies.
How can you still stay that the Liberal Democrats are further right than Labour at 5:32. I can accept that you don't want to say Labour are currently a centrist party and still consider them left/ centre-left but you can't deny that the Liberal Democrats are on the left of Labour, whether that means they're still in the centre or are centre-left is debatable.
Do you know why Truss & Badenoch are called "Libertarian Right"? From a US perspective, it doesn't make any sense. Our Libertarians are big on personal freedoms, so being anti-trans and anti-immigration would disqualify someone from being Libertarian.
In UK politics, individual MP policy is more important than party policy. The Lib Dems ran with a left wing party policy, but their actual MPs are mostly local NIMBYs, who tend to function as right wing by not wanting any of the progressive necessities like new houses to be built in their seats.
@@KanLuxiang American libertarianism is dead. Although the US Republican party used to have libertarian elements, Donald Trump has molded them into right-wing populists who favor government intervention on social issues. However, the real problem isn't Trump, but the complete absence of viable political parties aside from the Republicans and their Democrat enemies.
@@trueNordVPN yeah, I was specifically wondering about the UK's situation bc it doesn't make sense to me as an American. The US Libertarian party at least didn't nominate Trump (he asked at their convention) and booed him over his border policies. But if UK Libertarians are supporting Truss and Badenonch, then they are even more far gone than their US brethren.
@@SDDT1 Do you realize we are experiencing economic stagnation? Truss tried to lower the taxes and almost destroyed our economy... Stop blaming Starmer for the last fourteen years.
@@intranixthis isn't really a surprise, they're a for the people independent news channel. The vast majority of "the people"'s best interests are on the left, even if they're not aware of it.
I hope not. I’m not gunna sit here and say Starmer is marvellous but who can expect him to fix 14 years of economic mess in 6 months? What we really need is PR so everyone’s votes really count.
Hahaha... oh man. Labour ain't the party you vote for if you want to fix the economy, is the one to get handouts. Only this time around, they won't even bother to do that.
Yeah because they were used to doing it and had planned accordingly, not had it sprung on them when their profit margins are also much smaller. Only to give that money away to corrupt Ukraine or wasted on net zero virtue signalling while all the major countries do the opposite.
Labour are looking like they will prove to be more incompetent. This country needs electoral reform, our system worked but now its infected by buyable politicians and lack of choice in voting
@@sk00p how are they proving that? they have clearly inherited a brutal task from decades of tory mismanagement, give them at least a year before judgement haha
It depends on what happens in the local elections and the Scottish Parliament elections and especially the Welsh Assembly elections. If Reform do well, they’ll have less of a reason to do so. Especially if Reform get more seats than the Tories in Wales and Scotland. As they’d be able to claim that they’re the leaders of the right in Wales and Scotland.
I think given Farage being one of the arch brexiteers, and scotland being very adverse to brexit and quite left leaning in general reform will really struggle in scotland. But who knows.
Wales and Scotland are VERY left leaning compared to England though. Though even reliably Tory constituiences bordering Wales like Shropshire went Labour in the last GE.
@@mrvwbug4423The Scottish left is split tho between Labour and the SNP (the latter being the one who seem to be benefiting the most from labours unpopularity)
Lots of Red Wall voters just voted Red because they thought it was still the Workers party. Now they see what New New Labour is, A tax on Farmers, a tax on the Elderly and warmongering with Russia. the old Blue party only made them poorer, So " 'ate the Tories, simple as" will continue. The Cyan Party of Reform will likely sweep IF people stop voting 'tactically'. The tactical vote only keeps the incumbent 2 party system in power. 2029 Vote could be a landslide for reform if people vote true to their hearts and Reform dont fumble it.
So what? You vote for your Member of Parliament, not who the Prime Minister will be. It doesn't matter at all if Reform got 4,000,000 votes if they're all a minority of voters in each of their constituencies. Also, its ironic that the only constituencies that went to Reform are ones that were failed completely by the Conservatives. I used to live in Ashfield, where Lee Anderson is MP, and its comical the amount of typical Brexiters who are walking around - massive beer guts, lots of underemployment, lots of benefits, lots of drinking. There's a reason why everyone whose young and has sense leaves places like that. Its exactly places like Ashfield, Skegness, Clacton - some of the most deprived areas in the country - that would benefit from left-wing economics and social policies, and to be honest all these places are only in their poor conditions because of Right-Wing governments. But hey, clearly getting rid of muh immigrants is more important than not shooting yourself in the foot voting against your own interests? Its ironic places like Ashfield moan about immigrants, because the only immigrants there are Uber drivers and corner store owners, all of which are providing atleast something to the community, but despite that the place is majority white and Gen X / Boomer population. They moan about "caint hear english in muh cities anymore" but none of them live anywhere near the cities and only get this information from places like GBNews.
Crawl into the woods with your gold and use nothing that taxpayers pay for. I'm not even sure I'd give you a place in the woods. Maybe move to Rwanda heard its a lovely place.
@@krisshnapeswanipeswani3190 Immigration Castrating children Printing infinite money Closing down all domestic manufacturing Jailing people for "homophobic comments" on Facebook Relentlessly pumping money into renewable energy when every other remotely right wing party in the world supports expanding nuclear energy production. Ah yes, typical right wing policy
Reform got shafted in the 2019 election because of that deal, so they won’t do that again. I think it’s fair Conservatives do that same deal but for Reform now
Starmer is awful. He has been arresting grannies for Facebook posts while letting terrorists and rapists out of jail to make room. Absurdly evil stuff.
Lot of Tory voters voted Tories because they had no other option. If there was electoral reform and done on the percentage, you could see multiple parties form from The Conservatives.
Have to hand it to Farage; 1%er privately educated banker and career politician who rides the gravy train for all it's worth, yet he's "an outsider". Well, maybe credit to Farage and fact leaded petrol wasn't banned until 2000.
@getnohappy Farage worked for a bank, but he has never worked as a banker. He's certainly not a career politician as he has worked outside of politics for much of his life.
I just cannot vote for Farage or Reform because their policies often feel more like populist promises than well-thought-out plans, and I struggle to see how they would realistically address the complex challenges our country faces without creating new problems in the process.
Well it’s not like labor or the conservatives have proven remotely capable of solving the issues, at worse you would just be electing another maniac to drive the Laurie off the cliff.
@@allthenewsordeath5772 You’re right, both Labour and the Tories have let us down in a lot of ways, and it’s frustrating to feel like none of the options are good ones. But I worry that just electing another ‘maniac’ risks making things worse. Maybe instead of focusing on who’s at the wheel, we need to figure out how to get any of them to actually listen to us. Otherwise they will just learn to adopt even more extreme lies to hook votes. Historically, though, when has supporting populism really worked out for us? Look at Brexit, great slogans, but we’ve been dealing with the fallout ever since. Or the Truss mini-budget, big promises, instant chaos. Even in the 1930s started with anti-immigration rhetoric and led to division. And then there’s the 1970s energy crisis, ignoring long-term planning for short-term gains didn’t help anyone. Countless more examples on this, but I can't help but feel that we have to learn from them!
Populism is just any popular position without elite support. Being populist doesn't inherently make something good or bad. I agree though, Reform's manifesto was more a wishlist than a clear costed plan. It's ok as an insurgent party but they need to professionalise in the next 5 years if they want to form the next government.
@@allthenewsordeath5772what so some diddy man who runs away to America the second he's given any sort of real power apart from being a blow dryer with a megaphone will do any better? Your delusional with that one
Minor nitpick but it’s likely that Clarkson showed up at those protests not because he’s right wing but because he owns and runs a farm and involved himself in the farming community as a whole
If kemi wants to be the PM she'll definitely have to form an alliance with farage else they won't be in government under current UK government system ....
I imagine that it will take 1 more general election of the right vote being split for the Conservatives and Reform to create a political alliance between themselves.
Regardless of your personal philosophy or whether you wish they were more conservative, OBVIOUSLY the Tories and Reform are both politically to the Right.
@@college54114 Tories are right of the almost far-left Labour, and Reform is centre, maybe centre-right. Reform doesn't even call for a full migration stop. If you think otherwise I am open-minded.
@@xither1944 by doing things that are incredibly unpopular, a budget that will do the opposite of what they say it will and will likely bring back inflation, and stop investment. There is quite a big list when you break it down :)
The difference between Conservatives & ReformUK is that's Conservatives care more about rich getting richer whilst ReformUK care about policy's being implemented.
@@mike-A299 thats very narrowminded; Hardworking people voted for reform too. get off that high horse, othering people is not how you make friends across the aisle.
It's sad that politics is such a mess that instead of parties working together to make a better country and government, they spend all their time and efforts fighting each other and deciding on who their political "enemies" are
I don’t really remember Liz Truss being very aligned with reform at all. She was quite moderate to me, except in her plans to simulate growth. Can someone explain where her similarities to reform were?
Honestly I think it's largely subjective as to how people see her political position since she wasn't capable of lasting long enough to establish it through policy decisions.
The Conservatives need leaders that is sincere enough to tell the people the brutal truth about the country and how to go about fixing it. I doubt if they have any at the moment
Problem is right now, nationalism is killing Britain. Brexit is the worst self-inflicted wound in British history. The UK will become a 3rd world country if they keep this nationalist bent going. You're never going to turn a de-industrialized western country with high labour costs and a strong currency back into a large scale manufacturing economy ... unless you turn it into a dirt poor 3rd world cheap labour pool. Given how poor most jobs in the UK pay, they're already halfway there.
Look, little Jimmy's discovered his first buzzwords to foam at the mouth of anyone he doesn't like. Maybe next, he'll discover WEF or puppet or George Soros, that way complex politics can be easily turned into a game of us vs them with everything and everyone you don't like secretly being evil conspiracies trying to take over earth to pave the way for the lizard people's arrival.
@@mrvwbug4423 exactly, many Tory voters would never vote for them again if they united, as many Tory voters were pro-EU, and many still are. People seem to forget that Cameron's party was pro-EU.
@@mrvwbug4423globalism is killing britain. Your country was always run by globalists and they had to punish you for voting for brexit Does that sound fair? Is that really the side you want to reward?
@@secretchefcollective444 Calling them right-wing is accurate, the centre is a point in the Overtun window that's described by the median opinion of the country. Going back a long way into previous elections it has been the case that the majority of votes go to left-wing parties, that doesn't necessarily translate to a win due to our voting system, but notably it does mean that the Overtun window if anything is shifted further left than would be suggested by the current appraisal of centre which is purported to be somewhere between labour and conservative. I also find it strange that you have the level of understanding to get that people on the left will have a different appraisal of where centre is, but not the wherewithall to apply that to yourself and realise that your appraisal of where the centre is may be further right than where most people would assess it to be. You seem to have come to the mistaken conclusion that your views are normal, but that isn't borne out statistically, if you believe that reform isn't right-wing you are most certainly on the right-wing tail of the political distribution. The intellectually honest thing to do when holding such a political position is to recognise it, after all no-one is likely to take any of your arguments seriously if you call the majority of the population abnormal.
I don’t get it… why doesn’t starmer just amend the policy to only those landowners who are passing on their lands to their offspring but are not farming on those lands…
The thing this misses is people will see this as the Conservatives going right and so the majority centrists will vote elsewhere even more than they did last election i.e Lib Dem and Green
There is absolutely no reason at all for reform to unite with the tories. They only exist because the tories went leftward. The only way reform could EVER reunite with the tories is if the reform folks got the top jobs and could steer the party back to conservatism.
Traditional paternalistic conservatism is what the UK needs right now. Some of our greatest PMs have been like that: Disraeli, Sailsbury, Churchill and Cameron. I think that Cleverly had a point when running for party leader, "lets be more normal."
@@filippogrimaldi7228 My dear boy, in that last comment I was referring to David Cameron. The world has changed but the ideas of those men( Disraeli and Churchill) have not died with them. Its in those fundamentals they preached that we must trust.
In a country where the left is split between numerous national and nationalist parties, it's strange that we assume there must be a single right wing party
@@stevesmith3990 A considerable amount of Reform's base is "far right", although Reform as a party/policymaker isn't as a whole (yet). And by far-right I don't mean net-zero migration, tough on illegal migration and asylum laws (which is Reform policy), I mean outright disliking people of colour and wanting to deport them, even if they've lived here their entire lives. Similar to the riots where you had attempted lynchings/race checkpoints.
They don't need to unite to defeat Starmer, they just need to get out of each other's way. That means withdrawing their candidate in some key constituencies
They’re not- they are still handing out huge subsidies to farmers. But the inheritance tax loophole for farms is being used by some of the richest people in the UK like Andrew Loyd Webber and James Dyson to avoid paying tax, the reform to inheritance tax is aiming to stop that.
They're not anti farmers. They invested 5 billion into the farming sector with the new budget, far more than the stories. Large land owners don't don't pay inherence tax on the huge amount of land they own. This is just not fair and is 100% used as a tax loophole that they closed. Farmers can leave 3 million if they're a couple to their children, and the reason why farm land is so expensive, is because it's way overvalued, and thats because it's seen as a tax loophole and not a farming asset. Closing the loophole will drive down the price of farmland, which is ultimately beneficial for the majority of farmers that are tenants and can't afford to buy their own farm because of the previous tax system.
You should look at the Canadian creation of the modern Conservative Party. I believe Farage even admitted that his Reform party is loosely based on the Canadian Reform Party. The Reform Party of Canada(later Canadian Alliance) was also the more populist of two right wing parties. The moderate party being aptly named the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. They merged in 2003 under Stephen Harper and formed government from 2006 to 2015.
Reform does NOT exist to "drive the Conservatives out of politics". Reform exists to give Conservatives a home, or at least wake them up. The previous Tory governments have been anything BUT conservative.
Opinion disclaimer: as a higher income taxpayer, I'm perfectly happy for farmers to get some unique benefits out of the system because... you know... they grow half of the food we eat? The other half gets imported and makes us reliant on foreign markets and international shipping (not exactly eco-friendly either). We're already dependent on foreign suppliers for things like energy, why make ourselves more dependent on them for something even more essential like food? Farming seems to be a really thankless and underappreciated profession in the modern day when half the population - judging by some of the rhetoric I've witnessed - seem to imagine that food just appears in the supermarkets every week.
Because farming is incredibly unprofitable, but essential. If farmers go under, we will be reliant on foreign imports. You would be hard-pressed to find an industry as crucial to our independence as farming
It does. For instance AIM listed companies are 100% exempt from inheritance tax if the shares have been held for 2 years. Highest value AIM company's have £1bn+ valuations. And you just have to own shares, no requirement that it's your private family business, just buy AIM shares. So super rich can shelter 100% of their wealth (or use trust and other loopholes) but ordinary working class farmers can't keep a farm that has been in their family for generations. Wise up and don't be divided by the politics of envy. Super rich pay little to no tax while successful working class people are hammered into the ground. Believe the WEF when they say that people like you and mean should own nothing.
It's actually worth noting that the Green's have also been helping farmers because the farmers protests aren't just about the tax.... the Green's are often seen as to the Left of Labour!
I read the title and thought to myself: "Why would Reform join Labour to defeat Starmer...?" Then remembered that people aren't ready for that hot take yet...
The biggest issue with the thesis in this video is it is wrong. It calls the Tories "right". - Labour are far left - Tories are Centre left - Reform are Centre. The represent different things.
Well said, I do think Reform can be fairly classed as centre right, but certainly not "far-right" as some pretend, but I agree the tories are more cnetre left than right these days, even though a few talk otherwise, the majority of the party and their actions prove them to be more left.
Dont think so..Tories still want to keep income taxes high (at around 45%) while Reform wants to bring it down to 25%. Heck if I join reform I will totally abolish income tax so yeah we dont need CONS
Frankly I don't think they'll need to. Unless Starmer's ministry does a complete 180, the backlash against his ministry will be too strong for a Tory outright majority to not happen.
Labour's only been in for 5 months and to be quite honest, they've already made more progress and more concrete, actual plans for fixing this countries problems than the Conservatives did for the past 14 years. Labour still has 4 and a half years left to accomplish everything they need to. Right-Wing voters honestly baffle me. Gives the Tory's 14 years to solve immigration while its been blatant since 2015 that mass immigration has been a tactic of the Tory's to make the economy grow marginally due to the influx of hundreds of thousands of people, so their destructive Austerity policies damage doesn't show up in data. What have we got out of the past 14 years of the Right, may I ask you? All I see is a failed austerity programme, where 10 years of high taxes, low spendings effect on the debt to GDP ratio was wiped out in just two years (2020/2021). By the way, lockdown only occurred because the NHS was in such a poor state that it would have collapsed without it, and the NHS was in a poor state due to Tory austerity policies. Food banks up to 3,000,000 users in 2023 from under 100K in 2009. A failed Brexit that has cost the country nearly 800 billion pounds. Mass immigration at its highest point during the 14 years of Conservative rule than any other point in British history. Stagnant wages, runaway inflation, collapsed standard of living, 25% economic inactivity rate, the list goes on and on. So why are you so harsh on Labour who has to contend with inheriting a country in its worst state since 1945 when you gave the Conservative's 14 years to completely ruin the country, all because they promised to "fix immigration" while they where the ones who opened the floodgates? Why do you think Tory policies turned to the extreme (Reform) would do anything other than put the final nail in the coffin for this country? People in this country really do baffle me.
An alliance of both the Tories and Reform is rather unlikely, given how Farage is viewed as stubbornly arrogant by many the Tories themselves. If they were to form an alliance, however, they would likely still lose, because there would still be a bunch of infighting on which party should be leading. And besides, wouldn’t Labour do the same by forming an alliance with the Greens and Lib-Dems? In all honesty, despite the hardships he is facing, I feel as though Starmer will continue to be Prime Minister for 5 years. That is unless he runs into a much bigger problem down the road.
This would be a net postiive for our democracy. Our system is outdated by international standards. Luckily there's support in labour and also reform so you never know...
Doesn't even have to be PR, pretty much anything would be better than FPTP. Arrow's impossibility theorem may show that every voting system is flawed, but certainly not all equally so with the spoiler effect being one of the most egregious flaws there is. Voting reforms seem to be pretty much the only thing that gets consistent support across both sides of the aisle and the only reason we don't have a better system already is because of suppression by both conservatives and labour during the last referendum on it.
I doubt it, Farrage is despised by the Tories and that party is very petty and self defeating when it comes to popular ex-members.
They'd get together in bed in a split second if it meant being in power.
If you're not voting Reform after what weve seen from tories and Labour there's something wrong with you.
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@@tersecwalsingham5778 nah he’s completely right
Exactly & there are several moderate tories who would rather support Labour or Lib Dems than farage & reform voters hate the tories as much as everybody else
I don't think they'll "join forces" per se, the Torries are FAR too arrogant for that, but they would probably go into coalition if they had the chance.
The vote split prevents a coalition
Don't think farage would do that unless he was promised leadership he's too arrogant too be just a deputy or a minister
@@justaboutaverage9558wild of you to think the tories are even going to survive the next elections reform will just absorb all their vote
@@justaboutaverage9558 too arrogant, he got 4 million votes and was the biggest party in a lot of demographics. Now that people realise reform is serious reform will just balloon
@obliviator1 reform are as serious as Ed Davies, who knew that if you tell a certain demographic exactly what they want to hear they will vote for you
It's 5 years until next election so the analysis of what's going on and being said these days is not really of great relevance.
Elections can be heavily influenced years before the vote. This will be used as an attacking point alongside other things to try and win later, when people only vaguely remember the details
yet weve had many more than 2 general elections since 2015
It can be declared earlier. Unless you are out of paper as Germany complains.
@@backstabba It would have to be mass protest for them to call a GE. They will call a no confidence on Starmer before they call a GE with how much power they have.
@@sk00p Probably. The petition is non binding. Farmers can do what they did in France though.
It seems entirely unlikely that the various right wing factions will come together. Until an appropriate leader with a unifying message emerges they will be no more than a variety of disperate interest groups.
They need a Trump, in point of fact.
Farage is popular among both parties voters but that would require Tory leadership to swallow their pride
Farage is that leader, it's just a matter of whether the existing leadership allows him to assume his rightful office.
@@dalecrocker3213 That's exactly what I was thinking. Farage is too divisive and has too much baggage, Badenok is too attached to previous Tory failures, UKIP is too associated with Brexit and Tommy Robinson has a criminal record. Basically that leaves Jeremy Clarkson!
@@TheAmericanPrometheusNo he isn’t, his economic policies are rubbish. People who are more centrist with economic policies but conservative in social issues won’t vote for him
British politics is broken as long we only have 2 parties capable of winning nothing is going to change.
No no, its working quite well and as intended, otherwise there would be democracy not just an illusion of such.
"nothing is going to change"
labour in the 2000s raise people out of poverty, homelessness at record lows, food poverty lows, no waiting lists on NHS, financial support systems not amazing but not evil, prisons doing okay.
tories in the 2010/20ss, millions more in poverty to the point they have to redefine the meaning to try and save face, homelessness spikes and many members attempt to pass laws criminalising it because they dont want to see it, millions using food banks, 6 months to near 2 year waiting lists on NHS, financial support systems rigged against the most vulnerable to the point of disgusting actions like labelling people with 6 months to live as fit for work, removing access to wheelchair users to void their disability if they get in the building by being carried, prison system collapse.
"nothing changes" right?
I agree with you entirely. HOWEVER the picture is sadly much bigger than that.
You have NOTHING LIKE a REAL Democracy - merely Vote, nothing more.
THE GOVERNMENT IS SIMPLY NOT WORKING FOR YOU OR YOUR FAMILY……
IT’S INEFFECTIVE, SOCIALLY DIVISIVE AND GROSSLY INEFFICIENT
1. PERFORMANCE. For the past 10,20,30,40 or even 50 years, YOU, the people, have NOT GOT, what YOU Wanted, Needed, and Hoped for - WHICHEVER Party was “in Power” !
2. ROOT CAUSE. The current Political “System”, was Never designed to Help YOU - Just the elites.
3. RESPONSE / GOAL. Replace the current system with a COMPLETELY NEW ONE - Designed to Help Us All ! (ie a REAL Democracy. NOT THE B/S you got now !)
4. SO…. FIND OUT what ALL the people Want and Need ( their “Visions” Not yours). Create a “Peoples Register of Visions”. Dead easy these days with technology and AI.
5. Your Party then develops Strategies, Policies and Methods to achieve the goals as defined in the “Peoples Register of Visions” - as per 4 above.
6. YOUR party then pledges to Deliver the Outcomes defined in the Register.
7. GET ELECTED……………Obviously, as the people WANT what you are offering.
8. Your Party empowers ALL of Parliament to work together to improve on the current policies/methods to Achieve the Peoples Visions as per the Register.
9. ALL OF PARLIAMENT WORK TOGETHER to Deliver the Visions/Goals/Outcomes in the Register - as required by the People. JOB WELL DONE
10. Get RE-ELECTED. -- No reason not to be…. You’ve served the people well……. You’ve now Retained the Treasury Benches, Along with the rest of the parliamentary members who have ALL been working together………..
11. All of Government, All Parties, Continue to Serve the People and deliver THEIR WILL - NOT Your Party’s Will………….
12. Results. No more idle/ broken party promises. No more pointless lies or U-Turns. No more pointless confrontation - only efficient parliamentary cooperation to achieve the Peoples Visions, NOT your Party’s.
13. FINAL HURDLE. Regardless of Party…..Compared with your Current MP, this will PROBABLY require a Very different Type of Person to become YOUR NEXT MP. One who is a Servant/Leader, NOT a Self-Serving (Party-Serving) “Career Hack”. OVER TO YOU NOW. YOU HAVE THE FORMULA……. NO MORE WATCHING………. Time to get Stuck In !!!!!
Imagine winning elections with about 30% of the vote... Just a ridiculous system.
depends on what you mean by 'nothing will change' . Brexit was a very big change - for the worse IMHO - but it was a change. Those that espoused it will say it didn't produce the change they wanted but they always were looking for an impossible unicorn - again IMHO.
What peopel who use the phrase that you use is something immensely better than we have now. But such a revolution is extremely unlikely in teh world we live in. Even if you let in supposed radical Reform as the governmnet there would be little in way of radical difference after 5 years in gov and any change would likely be for the bad again.
UK politics will never be fixed until FPTP is abolished. Unfortunately it's something the big two will never do.
And that's why you vote Green
@@One_step_above_is_here green will never (thankfully) win a general election.
@One_step_above_is_hereCaroline Lucas is amazing
You’re overestimating the similarities between reform and the conservatives. Yes they’re both right wing, but the difference between populism and globalism is startling. Reform would have a better chance uniting with an economically left wing party who are culturally conservative (like the parties mentioned in your Conservative left video)
How can a left wing party be conservative?
@ well I literally said in the comment “mentioned in your conservative left video”. They have a video about the conservative left and its rise in Germany.
@Tony-y1xthey can be socially conservative but economically liberal,
@Tony-y1x social politics ≠ economic politics
Farage despises the torries to much for him to unite with them.
He's said outright he would be open to leading them, if they concede to his main policy points
@ which will most likely never happen…
@@Alt300 Given the broader shift to the right post Kemi, I wouldn't be so sure you know. Trumpism, supported by Musk's constant criticism of the Labour government on X, combined with the fact we've got five years to go with all of this-I really think it's in the realm of possibility, at least.
@Jeevessss he isn't. He wants to drag them to the right, and actually be closer to their median Tory voter, and lead them but the Tories don't want either.
The Tories would probably have to give up ground to get an agreement with Reform.
Basically, the Tories would probably have to withdraw from Wales completely (because Reform seem ahead of the Tories in Wales), and constituencies where Reform were 2nd. Then maybe Reform would withdraw from constituencies where they had no chance.
But I think the Tories might be too stubborn to do that.
Reform, UK are currently pulling first in Wales at 38%, they are also gaining ground in Scotland, some polls suggest if a general election were held today before we could get 80-130 seats
@@MrH1990s I’ve not seen those polls. However if Reform came 1st in Wales (and by extension had a Reform First Minister) that would be a colossal change and massive boost to Reform.
@MrH1990s It's nice to hear that and I'd love it if it happened. But look what happened in the estimates in the last GE. So I wouldn't trust it.
@@MrH1990sReform could get a 10 to 15 seats in Wales parliament but not enough to actually govern. It is beyond crazy to believe that reform could get more than 20 seats at the next general election with the first past the post system. You are chatting utter rubbish
@@MrH1990sWhich polls state that?
Basic rule of UK politics: Oppositions don't win elections, Governments lose them. "Uniting the Right", even if it could be done before 2029 (which I doubt), is besides the point.
The split of tory and reform lead to a loss of quite a few safw tory seats. An organised united opposition would be needed to remove labour.
@@chindit6784 You have NO idea where we will be in 4 years.
IF things continue in this direction, Reform will win in a landslide, just like Trump.
The world is about to change, hold onto your panties.
Labour won by default. They got far less votes than Corbyn even though he lost. The fact is Labour are on very shaky ground and can easily be toppled
@@chindit6784 If Labour's poll figures drop any lower, and the tories run a good campaign on 2029, then they may be able to win a thin but substantial majority. Labour did that this time, winning a landslide majority with voting percentages that would normally lose an election. Yes, that was partly because of the split in the right, but let's not forget that the SNP in Scotland and Lib Dems in England both take voters who would otherwise vote Labour, so they could cancel each other out, especially as the Lib Dems playing friendly with an unpopular governing party and not running against them in all seats would likely not be received very well by the general public.
Given the polling figures right now, and assuming Starmer is still leader next election, there is no chance labour could win; Starmer has done nothing but be caught up in excessively damaging controversies in the last 4 months. I think Labour back benchers will look to dethrone Starmer befoee the next election.
If this does happen, which I doubt, I predict they'll get into power, then immediately collapse upon realising that in order to work together they actually need to agree on something other than "don't like Labour"
They'll have to agree on something that isn't "We don't like Labour" or "Wah wah The Woke Mind Virus is oppressing us" bullshit and actually govern their damn country for once
Did you watch the video? Reducing immigration and lowering taxes are the core agreements alongside wanting labour gone.
Reform don't really believe in anything much except mild xenophobia.They would do a deal if they get to swan around in ministerial cars. I don't think the tories will offer them one though-labour will be so unpopular by 2028 they won't need to.
@@morganpowell-atkins5206
The tories don't want to reduce immigration. You you understand the concept of lying? They lied because they know it's what the people want. They didn't do it because they actively hate the British people.
@@archvaldor
Reform doesn't believe in xenophobia. They believe in not committing genocide against the indigenous population.
It's a bit odd to say that this is an 8 minute video about the chances of the right uniting 7 minutes into the video... The last minute being just an ad read that don't actually really discuss those chances. I don't mind the ads, but it feels a bit disingenuous to say that the total video time is all about the main topic we clicked in for.
Yeah, i am glad i wasn't the one who has noticed this. It's not just happening with TLDR channel but others like economics explained who gives an entire history of Ireland to explain what they could do with some excess money.
I actually think a good number of the Tory moderates are better aligned with starmer than their party tbh on alot of issues. Also, reforms whole selling point is that they are not the Torys. If they merge that will be gone. Also, it seems very likely to me that much of the remaining tory vote share is moderate voters who simply have no where else to go, therefore further moves to the right by the Torys would be disasterous for them.
Lib Dem’s got 12% of the vote while only running seriously in like a third of the seats
The problem for the tories is how risky it is for them to move further right
Exactly my point :)
Just for your information. 70% of the farmland in Britain is farmed by tenant farmers. Nearly three quarters of all British farmers will never pay inheritance tax on their land, because they don't own it, they rent it from someone much much richer than them. It's the people who the 70% of UK farmers pay rent to who were the ones protesting in London. It was essentially a protest by landlords
Yeah, I was confused why he was calling them farmers. It’s common knowledge landlords own most agricultural land in the uk.
Evidence for claim? @@amethyst034
oh, so fuck the 30% and then that's alright is it? Perhaps the protest wasn't as transparent as it seemed but the policy itself is absurd
"30% of British farmers will be made to pay inheritance tax on their land because they own it and will be faced with likely being forced to sell their family's land to someone much richer than them. It was essentially a protest by generational farmers."
Fixed that for you. Even *if* your numbers are correct your logic is still tremendously flawed and driven by petty spite. In a desire to attack landlords you're comfortable with 30% of UK farmers being put in the firing line because their parents died and thus you think the government is entitled to the land which has belonged to them for in some cases longer than the Labour Party has even existed. It is the politics of envy and if Starmer actually wanted to target landlords he wouldn't be announcing his friendship with Blackrock.
You've been conned.
"30% of British farmers will be made to pay inheritance tax on their land because they own it and will be faced with likely being forced to sell their family's land to someone much richer than them. It was essentially a protest by generational farmers."
Even if your numbers are correct your logic is still tremendously flawed and driven by petty spite. In a desire to attack landlords you're comfortable with 30% of UK farmers being put in the firing line because their parents died and thus you think the government is entitled to the land which has belonged to them for in some cases longer than the Labour Party has even existed. It is the politics of envy and if Starmer actually wanted to target landlords he wouldn't be announcing his friendship with multi-national landlord companies.
How can you still stay that the Liberal Democrats are further right than Labour at 5:32. I can accept that you don't want to say Labour are currently a centrist party and still consider them left/ centre-left but you can't deny that the Liberal Democrats are on the left of Labour, whether that means they're still in the centre or are centre-left is debatable.
Do you know why Truss & Badenoch are called "Libertarian Right"? From a US perspective, it doesn't make any sense. Our Libertarians are big on personal freedoms, so being anti-trans and anti-immigration would disqualify someone from being Libertarian.
In UK politics, individual MP policy is more important than party policy. The Lib Dems ran with a left wing party policy, but their actual MPs are mostly local NIMBYs, who tend to function as right wing by not wanting any of the progressive necessities like new houses to be built in their seats.
@@dombo813Are you implying Labour MPs aren’t? The part also has a strong youth wing who want more houses
@@KanLuxiang American libertarianism is dead. Although the US Republican party used to have libertarian elements, Donald Trump has molded them into right-wing populists who favor government intervention on social issues.
However, the real problem isn't Trump, but the complete absence of viable political parties aside from the Republicans and their Democrat enemies.
@@trueNordVPN yeah, I was specifically wondering about the UK's situation bc it doesn't make sense to me as an American. The US Libertarian party at least didn't nominate Trump (he asked at their convention) and booed him over his border policies. But if UK Libertarians are supporting Truss and Badenonch, then they are even more far gone than their US brethren.
The Tories don’t actually support lower immigration or taxes.
most moderate tories have joined the neo-liberal (new) labour party.
And Labour are now just commies. Starmer is a commie and removing the kulaks.
@SDDT24 , moderate tory voters are beginning to realise how bad for the economy the tory party actually is.
@@SDDT1 Do you realize we are experiencing economic stagnation? Truss tried to lower the taxes and almost destroyed our economy... Stop blaming Starmer for the last fourteen years.
@@edoardoturco8780 these people have tik tok brain and need instant results. They also have low compression skills
@@edoardoturco8780 the solution is more cheap labour 😂😂
This is a remarkably even handed look at the issue, from this channel. Well done.
there are subtleties, and they are very biased in "real life", certainly very left leaning
@@intranix noticed the same in previous videos
@@EtherealTrader they are pretty open about being left leaning, especially on their podcasts they actively state that.
@@intranixthis isn't really a surprise, they're a for the people independent news channel. The vast majority of "the people"'s best interests are on the left, even if they're not aware of it.
@@Wozza365 True but at times I would say it's a bit more than just "leaning"
I hope not. I’m not gunna sit here and say Starmer is marvellous but who can expect him to fix 14 years of economic mess in 6 months?
What we really need is PR so everyone’s votes really count.
If you think this budget is going to do that then you need to stop smoking the copium
That's true, but Starmer hasn't even tried to begin fixing the economic damage. If anything he has only made it worse.
@@l0lLorenzol0l Interesting take
We diddnt expect him to fix it in 6 months... we expected him not to make it worse. Hes fucked it for himself.
Hahaha... oh man.
Labour ain't the party you vote for if you want to fix the economy, is the one to get handouts.
Only this time around, they won't even bother to do that.
Farmers actually paid IHT until the 1980's
Until 1992 in fact!
Why do you envy them so much you'd rather seem them destroyed? Also, IHT is a moral evil.
Remember Starmer said "Introduce no new taxes" That's his loophole, he can introduce old Taxes
Land was expensive back then, but nowhere near as expensive as it is now.
Yeah because they were used to doing it and had planned accordingly, not had it sprung on them when their profit margins are also much smaller. Only to give that money away to corrupt Ukraine or wasted on net zero virtue signalling while all the major countries do the opposite.
it's baffling that there are still ppl who would vote Tory
Labour are looking like they will prove to be more incompetent. This country needs electoral reform, our system worked but now its infected by buyable politicians and lack of choice in voting
@@sk00p how are they proving that? they have clearly inherited a brutal task from decades of tory mismanagement, give them at least a year before judgement haha
Tories can only deliver slow managed decline, Labour can do it faster.
@@MorganLewis-q9qThis question isn’t even asked in bad faith…
Do you think Labour will improve and perform better than the conservatives ?
@@Vaguepaperchasing Yes? By default they will given they're taxing rich and not NIMBYs.
It depends on what happens in the local elections and the Scottish Parliament elections and especially the Welsh Assembly elections.
If Reform do well, they’ll have less of a reason to do so. Especially if Reform get more seats than the Tories in Wales and Scotland. As they’d be able to claim that they’re the leaders of the right in Wales and Scotland.
I think given Farage being one of the arch brexiteers, and scotland being very adverse to brexit and quite left leaning in general reform will really struggle in scotland. But who knows.
Wales and Scotland are VERY left leaning compared to England though. Though even reliably Tory constituiences bordering Wales like Shropshire went Labour in the last GE.
@@davidcavan637 Something like 30-40% voted for Brexit in Scotland. Plenty of ground for the loony right to plough.
@@mrvwbug4423The Scottish left is split tho between Labour and the SNP (the latter being the one who seem to be benefiting the most from labours unpopularity)
Fact:- Reform🇬🇧UK got 4 million votes, more than the LibDems but only 5 MP's. However they finished second to Labour in 98 seats.
Pretty clear.
Lots of Red Wall voters just voted Red because they thought it was still the Workers party. Now they see what New New Labour is, A tax on Farmers, a tax on the Elderly and warmongering with Russia. the old Blue party only made them poorer, So " 'ate the Tories, simple as" will continue. The Cyan Party of Reform will likely sweep IF people stop voting 'tactically'. The tactical vote only keeps the incumbent 2 party system in power. 2029 Vote could be a landslide for reform if people vote true to their hearts and Reform dont fumble it.
Funny how people seem to care about PR when their party lost. Boo hoo, suck it up.
So what? You vote for your Member of Parliament, not who the Prime Minister will be. It doesn't matter at all if Reform got 4,000,000 votes if they're all a minority of voters in each of their constituencies.
Also, its ironic that the only constituencies that went to Reform are ones that were failed completely by the Conservatives. I used to live in Ashfield, where Lee Anderson is MP, and its comical the amount of typical Brexiters who are walking around - massive beer guts, lots of underemployment, lots of benefits, lots of drinking. There's a reason why everyone whose young and has sense leaves places like that. Its exactly places like Ashfield, Skegness, Clacton - some of the most deprived areas in the country - that would benefit from left-wing economics and social policies, and to be honest all these places are only in their poor conditions because of Right-Wing governments.
But hey, clearly getting rid of muh immigrants is more important than not shooting yourself in the foot voting against your own interests? Its ironic places like Ashfield moan about immigrants, because the only immigrants there are Uber drivers and corner store owners, all of which are providing atleast something to the community, but despite that the place is majority white and Gen X / Boomer population. They moan about "caint hear english in muh cities anymore" but none of them live anywhere near the cities and only get this information from places like GBNews.
Inheritance tax is evil. It should be abolished.
Crawl into the woods with your gold and use nothing that taxpayers pay for. I'm not even sure I'd give you a place in the woods. Maybe move to Rwanda heard its a lovely place.
@@janjansens8724
What?
Grow up
You heard
@@spiderfandom7592
I cannot hear written word. Also he just posted some mumbling jumble, that doesn't make sense.
Nah, they'll just fight amongst each other like they used to
Used to?
We've had 14 years of that so I certainly hope not but the tory party has moved to the right since Cameron lost the Bexit vote.
The tories are right wing? 😂😂😂😂😂
What earth do you live on that they aren’t ?
@ have you not seen the latest net migration figures? There’s your answer.
@@georgemather9082 migrations is not the onlyy right wing issue do you expect a magic wand
@@krisshnapeswanipeswani3190
Immigration
Castrating children
Printing infinite money
Closing down all domestic manufacturing
Jailing people for "homophobic comments" on Facebook
Relentlessly pumping money into renewable energy when every other remotely right wing party in the world supports expanding nuclear energy production.
Ah yes, typical right wing policy
@@NRRB0nker5Digitalized currency and PEP lists for banks, anti-gun, pro-mass migration
I feel like this could be summarised by "there is vote splitting on the right" which hasn't been NEW since Brexit was proposed.
1:10 Didn’t know the Chancellor of the Exchequer was a RACECAR!
Reform got shafted in the 2019 election because of that deal, so they won’t do that again. I think it’s fair Conservatives do that same deal but for Reform now
I think they would do it in a heartbeat to get labour out even if it was 'at their own expense'.
They also shafted the only decent option for PM in decades, so i think theyre not that heart broken about it.
@@lewisbaitup6352 I wouldn’t say shafted, like Jacob Rees Mogg said, “no party is entitled to votes”
@@Olivebear6223 you litterally said that about reform tho lol. That's fast character devolopement right there.
@@lewisbaitup6352 did I?🤔 Reform got shafted because Tories didn’t hold up their part of the deal afterwards
Labour and conservative are the same party now. I hate we have no other choice.
Have you also clocked the fact that Farage is also part of the same deal?
true
@ yes
Why do you lie like this?
Thank's for the Russian propaganda perspective. "Everything is hopeless, just vote for the criminal strong man in power, nothing will change".
In Canada, the Reform Party merged with the Conservatives, but ever since, the new party has been dominated by Reformers
A lot of Tory voters hate Reform and vice versa. Starmer would have to be pretty awful to make them put aside their differences. Like, Liz Truss bad.
Starmer is awful. He has been arresting grannies for Facebook posts while letting terrorists and rapists out of jail to make room. Absurdly evil stuff.
@gj1234567899999 Cool absolutely none of that is true.
@@gj1234567899999 yeah, and he beheads puppies for being white!
Lot of Tory voters voted Tories because they had no other option. If there was electoral reform and done on the percentage, you could see multiple parties form from The Conservatives.
@@sk00p do you think? As I see it, Lib Dems and Reform did give them options
The tories should never be given the oppertunity to betray us again.
said as Labour betrays their voters 1by1
They won't they can't, there two in it for themselves to put in some sacrifices
That Stuck Farmer sign is actually genius hahahahahaahah
Bold of you to assume Tories are right wing
they are...
@@solvdev no they are the smae as Labour
Labour is fucking right wing. What makes you think the Torirs aren't? 😂
@@ErmisSouldatos sure buddy
If you think they’re not it just shows how far to the right you are.
Have to hand it to Farage; 1%er privately educated banker and career politician who rides the gravy train for all it's worth, yet he's "an outsider". Well, maybe credit to Farage and fact leaded petrol wasn't banned until 2000.
@getnohappy Farage worked for a bank, but he has never worked as a banker. He's certainly not a career politician as he has worked outside of politics for much of his life.
I just cannot vote for Farage or Reform because their policies often feel more like populist promises than well-thought-out plans, and I struggle to see how they would realistically address the complex challenges our country faces without creating new problems in the process.
Well it’s not like labor or the conservatives have proven remotely capable of solving the issues, at worse you would just be electing another maniac to drive the Laurie off the cliff.
@@allthenewsordeath5772 You’re right, both Labour and the Tories have let us down in a lot of ways, and it’s frustrating to feel like none of the options are good ones. But I worry that just electing another ‘maniac’ risks making things worse. Maybe instead of focusing on who’s at the wheel, we need to figure out how to get any of them to actually listen to us. Otherwise they will just learn to adopt even more extreme lies to hook votes.
Historically, though, when has supporting populism really worked out for us? Look at Brexit, great slogans, but we’ve been dealing with the fallout ever since. Or the Truss mini-budget, big promises, instant chaos. Even in the 1930s started with anti-immigration rhetoric and led to division. And then there’s the 1970s energy crisis, ignoring long-term planning for short-term gains didn’t help anyone. Countless more examples on this, but I can't help but feel that we have to learn from them!
Populism is just any popular position without elite support. Being populist doesn't inherently make something good or bad.
I agree though, Reform's manifesto was more a wishlist than a clear costed plan. It's ok as an insurgent party but they need to professionalise in the next 5 years if they want to form the next government.
@@allthenewsordeath5772what so some diddy man who runs away to America the second he's given any sort of real power apart from being a blow dryer with a megaphone will do any better? Your delusional with that one
@jmiller7209 to their credit that is what reform is doing ever since it's conference taking it from a limited company to a real political party
Minor nitpick but it’s likely that Clarkson showed up at those protests not because he’s right wing but because he owns and runs a farm and involved himself in the farming community as a whole
Reform. The only conservative party according to Enlightenment Era standards
1:46 “how do you do, fellow farmers?”
If kemi wants to be the PM she'll definitely have to form an alliance with farage else they won't be in government under current UK government system ....
They personally hate each other
What a ludicrous premise.
No anchor babies, thanks.
@@TechnaFoxAnd then you all gasp and act shocked when you get called racist?
@@PrimitiveFuturologist_YTCwhy?
Too much bad blood with the Tories, should just step aside for Reform.
I imagine that it will take 1 more general election of the right vote being split for the Conservatives and Reform to create a political alliance between themselves.
There is no 'Right' in UK.
I disagree, they just whisper all over the uk in fear of a fascist government.
Regardless of your personal philosophy or whether you wish they were more conservative, OBVIOUSLY the Tories and Reform are both politically to the Right.
@@college54114 Tories are right of the almost far-left Labour, and Reform is centre, maybe centre-right. Reform doesn't even call for a full migration stop. If you think otherwise I am open-minded.
Excellent and informative
Starmer is defeating himself already
How so?
@@xither1944 with his radical reforms
@@xither1944his approval rating is in free fall, and it has been falling for a while
Getting gifts from wealthy donors probably didn't help very much
@@xither1944 by doing things that are incredibly unpopular, a budget that will do the opposite of what they say it will and will likely bring back inflation, and stop investment. There is quite a big list when you break it down :)
@@CanvasbeatsmusicWhich radical reforms?
We swung 6 votes to greens and will never go back to labour
The difference between Conservatives & ReformUK is that's Conservatives care more about rich getting richer whilst ReformUK care about policy's being implemented.
Reform doesn't give a fuck about policies!
0:59 Regardless of which side you take on the farmer issue. You have to respect that sign work.
Not a chance they hate each other more than Labour.
This is the most badass TLDR title I've read in a while.
If by some strange circumstance Farage does get into power. I doubt he'd want the job as it actually means working.
He'd be the first Prime Minister to not turn up to the job lol. That's what people want apparently. Slackers love slackers.
@@mike-A299 thats very narrowminded; Hardworking people voted for reform too. get off that high horse, othering people is not how you make friends across the aisle.
@anthonylulham3473 no they didn't. Bore off!
@@anthonylulham3473Those people may have been hard-working but they weren't smart.
It's sad that politics is such a mess that instead of parties working together to make a better country and government, they spend all their time and efforts fighting each other and deciding on who their political "enemies" are
I don’t really remember Liz Truss being very aligned with reform at all. She was quite moderate to me, except in her plans to simulate growth. Can someone explain where her similarities to reform were?
Honestly I think it's largely subjective as to how people see her political position since she wasn't capable of lasting long enough to establish it through policy decisions.
The Conservatives need leaders that is sincere enough to tell the people the brutal truth about the country and how to go about fixing it.
I doubt if they have any at the moment
‘Moderate vs Right’. No.
‘Nationalist vs Globalists’. Yes.
‘Conservatives vs Neo-Liberals’. Yes.
Problem is right now, nationalism is killing Britain. Brexit is the worst self-inflicted wound in British history. The UK will become a 3rd world country if they keep this nationalist bent going. You're never going to turn a de-industrialized western country with high labour costs and a strong currency back into a large scale manufacturing economy ... unless you turn it into a dirt poor 3rd world cheap labour pool. Given how poor most jobs in the UK pay, they're already halfway there.
Look, little Jimmy's discovered his first buzzwords to foam at the mouth of anyone he doesn't like. Maybe next, he'll discover WEF or puppet or George Soros, that way complex politics can be easily turned into a game of us vs them with everything and everyone you don't like secretly being evil conspiracies trying to take over earth to pave the way for the lizard people's arrival.
@@mrvwbug4423 exactly, many Tory voters would never vote for them again if they united, as many Tory voters were pro-EU, and many still are. People seem to forget that Cameron's party was pro-EU.
@@mrvwbug4423globalism is killing britain. Your country was always run by globalists and they had to punish you for voting for brexit
Does that sound fair? Is that really the side you want to reward?
They will still not win, not enough seats, and Tories will still be in charge, can you imagine the chaos ,
Calling either Reform or the Torys 'right' is a bit of a stretch.
How? By what standards are they centre or left? The standards of fascism?
@@davidmcculloch8490 I realize to the crazed far-left the 'centre' appears to be far right but turns out that most normal people are normal.
They absolutely are right wing
@@Sol_Invictus_ identity politics, higher taxes each year, mass immigration on an unthinkable scale. Totally right wing ideas am I right
@@secretchefcollective444 Calling them right-wing is accurate, the centre is a point in the Overtun window that's described by the median opinion of the country. Going back a long way into previous elections it has been the case that the majority of votes go to left-wing parties, that doesn't necessarily translate to a win due to our voting system, but notably it does mean that the Overtun window if anything is shifted further left than would be suggested by the current appraisal of centre which is purported to be somewhere between labour and conservative. I also find it strange that you have the level of understanding to get that people on the left will have a different appraisal of where centre is, but not the wherewithall to apply that to yourself and realise that your appraisal of where the centre is may be further right than where most people would assess it to be. You seem to have come to the mistaken conclusion that your views are normal, but that isn't borne out statistically, if you believe that reform isn't right-wing you are most certainly on the right-wing tail of the political distribution. The intellectually honest thing to do when holding such a political position is to recognise it, after all no-one is likely to take any of your arguments seriously if you call the majority of the population abnormal.
I don’t get it… why doesn’t starmer just amend the policy to only those landowners who are passing on their lands to their offspring but are not farming on those lands…
Because money
Because its a land grab Starmer plans to hand off the land to his mate Larry Fink in exchange for bribes.
The thing this misses is people will see this as the Conservatives going right and so the majority centrists will vote elsewhere even more than they did last election i.e Lib Dem and Green
To Call 'Green' 'Centrist' is absolutely mad.
Most Reform voters in Wales would never vote Tory
The future of this country relies on the right remaining fragmented. Only when the Tories have no power can anything constructive happen.
The totalitarian left is trying to destroy Britain and the rest of Western civilization. 👀
Why can't farm products go to the NHS powered by geothermal energy from Iceland?
Do you smell burnt toast?
Oops 1:10 "Racehl Reeves"
It can, but I’m not voting conservative after what they’ve done, we need reform
There is absolutely no reason at all for reform to unite with the tories.
They only exist because the tories went leftward. The only way reform could EVER reunite with the tories is if the reform folks got the top jobs and could steer the party back to conservatism.
The Tories lurched right from Johnson onwards. Saying that they went left is like calling Starmer a socialist when he's a dyed in the wool neoliberal.
@@thomassaxon8254 Johnson governed like a LibDem-lite PM especially post-Brexit
Traditional paternalistic conservatism is what the UK needs right now. Some of our greatest PMs have been like that: Disraeli, Sailsbury, Churchill and Cameron. I think that Cleverly had a point when running for party leader, "lets be more normal."
CAMERON. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@megazard5249 OK, maybe he wasn't one of the greatest PMs but he was probably the best this century, I mean, look at Blair and Boris.
Bro, Disraeli, Salisbury and Churchill are either from more than a century ago or nearly.
The world has changed.
@@filippogrimaldi7228 My dear boy, in that last comment I was referring to David Cameron. The world has changed but the ideas of those men( Disraeli and Churchill) have not died with them. Its in those fundamentals they preached that we must trust.
That would more than guarantee Starmer a second term particularly if others outside of UK continue to wade in
In a country where the left is split between numerous national and nationalist parties, it's strange that we assume there must be a single right wing party
There's the Right and the Far Right.
Where is the far right? There is none in UK politics.
@@stevesmith3990 A considerable amount of Reform's base is "far right", although Reform as a party/policymaker isn't as a whole (yet).
And by far-right I don't mean net-zero migration, tough on illegal migration and asylum laws (which is Reform policy), I mean outright disliking people of colour and wanting to deport them, even if they've lived here their entire lives. Similar to the riots where you had attempted lynchings/race checkpoints.
@@blazeentertainmen100 The party with a brown Muslim as it's chairman is definitely far right yeah... cringe.
Farage won't join with the Tories because it would mean he would be the junior partner, when he just wants to be the boss.
The very idea of Farage even being in contention for Prime Minister is horrifying.
Horrifying for the Left, yes, yes it is
So starmer and badenoch are better are they? 😂😂😂
I pray he will be PM
They don't need to unite to defeat Starmer, they just need to get out of each other's way. That means withdrawing their candidate in some key constituencies
Why is Labour anti-farmers?
They’re not- they are still handing out huge subsidies to farmers. But the inheritance tax loophole for farms is being used by some of the richest people in the UK like Andrew Loyd Webber and James Dyson to avoid paying tax, the reform to inheritance tax is aiming to stop that.
Check the facts. Anti tax avoidance by pretend farmers is nearer to reality.
They're not anti farmers. They invested 5 billion into the farming sector with the new budget, far more than the stories. Large land owners don't don't pay inherence tax on the huge amount of land they own. This is just not fair and is 100% used as a tax loophole that they closed. Farmers can leave 3 million if they're a couple to their children, and the reason why farm land is so expensive, is because it's way overvalued, and thats because it's seen as a tax loophole and not a farming asset. Closing the loophole will drive down the price of farmland, which is ultimately beneficial for the majority of farmers that are tenants and can't afford to buy their own farm because of the previous tax system.
@richardround2071 Thank you for the explanation
How many comments in this channel are just bots lol, its so obvious labor is anti farmers
You should look at the Canadian creation of the modern Conservative Party. I believe Farage even admitted that his Reform party is loosely based on the Canadian Reform Party. The Reform Party of Canada(later Canadian Alliance) was also the more populist of two right wing parties. The moderate party being aptly named the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. They merged in 2003 under Stephen Harper and formed government from 2006 to 2015.
Reform does NOT exist to "drive the Conservatives out of politics".
Reform exists to give Conservatives a home, or at least wake them up. The previous Tory governments have been anything BUT conservative.
Openly saying trans people aren't real is pretty conservative.
Moderation is out off date since 1980 and not just in the West.....
It must be nice to get a million pound tax exemption because youre a farmer. Why doesn't this apply to other businesses?
Opinion disclaimer: as a higher income taxpayer, I'm perfectly happy for farmers to get some unique benefits out of the system because... you know... they grow half of the food we eat? The other half gets imported and makes us reliant on foreign markets and international shipping (not exactly eco-friendly either). We're already dependent on foreign suppliers for things like energy, why make ourselves more dependent on them for something even more essential like food? Farming seems to be a really thankless and underappreciated profession in the modern day when half the population - judging by some of the rhetoric I've witnessed - seem to imagine that food just appears in the supermarkets every week.
Because farming is incredibly unprofitable, but essential. If farmers go under, we will be reliant on foreign imports. You would be hard-pressed to find an industry as crucial to our independence as farming
3 million for joint farms (2.62 million if they’re left to non-direct descendants).
@@monzar7268What happened that made farming less profitable over the past 8 years?
It does. For instance AIM listed companies are 100% exempt from inheritance tax if the shares have been held for 2 years. Highest value AIM company's have £1bn+ valuations. And you just have to own shares, no requirement that it's your private family business, just buy AIM shares.
So super rich can shelter 100% of their wealth (or use trust and other loopholes) but ordinary working class farmers can't keep a farm that has been in their family for generations.
Wise up and don't be divided by the politics of envy. Super rich pay little to no tax while successful working class people are hammered into the ground. Believe the WEF when they say that people like you and mean should own nothing.
It's actually worth noting that the Green's have also been helping farmers because the farmers protests aren't just about the tax.... the Green's are often seen as to the Left of Labour!
It would be nice to see actual right-wing politics in the UK.
Instead of business gangsters pretending to be right wing to mop up votes you mean?
Like what exactly?
no it wouldn't?????
@@Hanzeeeee People like Trump, white collars who pretend to like blue collars.
How much further right do you even wanna go?
I read the title and thought to myself:
"Why would Reform join Labour to defeat Starmer...?"
Then remembered that people aren't ready for that hot take yet...
The national left is what the establishment truly fears.
The biggest issue with the thesis in this video is it is wrong. It calls the Tories "right".
- Labour are far left
- Tories are Centre left
- Reform are Centre.
The represent different things.
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Well said, I do think Reform can be fairly classed as centre right, but certainly not "far-right" as some pretend, but I agree the tories are more cnetre left than right these days, even though a few talk otherwise, the majority of the party and their actions prove them to be more left.
Nah by farage himself he said they are the center right of britan. Nothing wrong with it though
Ugh no. Labour is left, tories are very right wing, & reform are facists
@@Lando-kx6sonow you're just sucking labour off lol, corbyn days are over they can no longer be meaningfully be called leftvwing
Dont think so..Tories still want to keep income taxes high (at around 45%) while Reform wants to bring it down to 25%. Heck if I join reform I will totally abolish income tax so yeah we dont need CONS
Shows they are both the same party really
The best thing that could happen is that We could see some kind of coalition type government like in Australia with Nationals and Liberal Party
So Alienating a huge part of the conservative faction and defect?
Frankly I don't think they'll need to. Unless Starmer's ministry does a complete 180, the backlash against his ministry will be too strong for a Tory outright majority to not happen.
Labour's only been in for 5 months and to be quite honest, they've already made more progress and more concrete, actual plans for fixing this countries problems than the Conservatives did for the past 14 years. Labour still has 4 and a half years left to accomplish everything they need to.
Right-Wing voters honestly baffle me. Gives the Tory's 14 years to solve immigration while its been blatant since 2015 that mass immigration has been a tactic of the Tory's to make the economy grow marginally due to the influx of hundreds of thousands of people, so their destructive Austerity policies damage doesn't show up in data.
What have we got out of the past 14 years of the Right, may I ask you? All I see is a failed austerity programme, where 10 years of high taxes, low spendings effect on the debt to GDP ratio was wiped out in just two years (2020/2021). By the way, lockdown only occurred because the NHS was in such a poor state that it would have collapsed without it, and the NHS was in a poor state due to Tory austerity policies. Food banks up to 3,000,000 users in 2023 from under 100K in 2009. A failed Brexit that has cost the country nearly 800 billion pounds. Mass immigration at its highest point during the 14 years of Conservative rule than any other point in British history. Stagnant wages, runaway inflation, collapsed standard of living, 25% economic inactivity rate, the list goes on and on.
So why are you so harsh on Labour who has to contend with inheriting a country in its worst state since 1945 when you gave the Conservative's 14 years to completely ruin the country, all because they promised to "fix immigration" while they where the ones who opened the floodgates? Why do you think Tory policies turned to the extreme (Reform) would do anything other than put the final nail in the coffin for this country?
People in this country really do baffle me.
An alliance of both the Tories and Reform is rather unlikely, given how Farage is viewed as stubbornly arrogant by many the Tories themselves. If they were to form an alliance, however, they would likely still lose, because there would still be a bunch of infighting on which party should be leading. And besides, wouldn’t Labour do the same by forming an alliance with the Greens and Lib-Dems?
In all honesty, despite the hardships he is facing, I feel as though Starmer will continue to be Prime Minister for 5 years. That is unless he runs into a much bigger problem down the road.
1:01 stuck farmer doesn’t even make sense 💀
Given who the new Tory leader is (or rather, one very surface thing about her) I doubt Reform will openly align with them.
Honestly, Reform would only agree to an alliance if they were the major party. Farage wants to be PM, and the Conservatives don’t want that.
People wouldn't be happy, we need a change and that includes getting rid of the two partys that have ruined this country for years
If they are working for the country, they will fight together on this occasion. Starmer and his cronies need to go.
Only way to win is joining forces,don’t stand in either safe seats..
Idk why, but starmer and helping the poor has turned into the entire commons whipping the corpse of the poor
I can imagine the tories doing a cordon sanitaire around reform
Who would Reform want to join with a Party that sat on its hands for fourteen years?
Britain needs PR voting system and then it can think of having a more representative government. The 2 party system is a disaster.
Then you will always get coalitiions of parties who find it very difficult to work together and no one gets what they want and even more chaos.
@stevesmith3990 is it working now? The torries were one party yet had several factions in them. Most likely, Labour will have to deal with that too.
This would be a net postiive for our democracy. Our system is outdated by international standards. Luckily there's support in labour and also reform so you never know...
Doesn't even have to be PR, pretty much anything would be better than FPTP. Arrow's impossibility theorem may show that every voting system is flawed, but certainly not all equally so with the spoiler effect being one of the most egregious flaws there is. Voting reforms seem to be pretty much the only thing that gets consistent support across both sides of the aisle and the only reason we don't have a better system already is because of suppression by both conservatives and labour during the last referendum on it.