Where do you buy your instruments (specifically trombones) online, if you ever do? I'm quite young and don't really have the connections in my city to buy instruments second hand from people that I know. I already have a really nice, new bass trombone that will be my main horn for a very long time but there are some opportunities open for me that I would love to have a tenor trombone for. Because of this, I would be interested in something cheaper but still at an advanced/pro model standard. I'm assuming that this just means an older, second hand, pro model trombone like that Benge 190C you showed in a recent video. I'm sure you could provide tomes of advice so anything at all is much appreciated!
Certain vintage student models however are known to be equal to some professional models today. For example mid 20th century Boosey and Hawkes euphonium were made in the same factory as professional Besson. Similiar to how the Pontiac vibe used same engine as Toyota Carolla but was about $5,000 less.
yamaha serials often arent back to back sent into the world the same year or progressive years. I've dated 2 xenos with serial numbers 8 apart and yamaha got back to me dating them 5 years apart. so yamaha serial list is useless for the most part. You can email them and they get back to you with month and year of factory exit. and they get back actually fairly quickly. they have internal databases of when each serial left the factory, but the lists make no sense when you try to date them with x-y numbers are from z year because they dont line up. I think when a horn is made is not really relevant to people UNLESS you collect horns. I am a collector, so I do care about serials/age, but thats to the extent they matter. I do also care about how they play and sound so that makes a venn diagram of horns i want to own/collect. but that's really just a collector's problem. I can tell you that a Elkhart era Conn 4H is good and that a lot of the good ones tend to be the 40s-50s examples but that doesnt matter to anyone except a collector. like you said, a good horn is a good horn regardless of age or era and a bad horn is a bad horn regardless of age or era. when people ask me about horns and older horns vs newer horns i never bring up years/eras unless they are a collector. I just point out that older horns will usually have more wear and tear on them and may not look perfect but also emphasize that a good horn will play good no matter how old or new it is. then people usually care about if it's shiny or not and that's a whole different discussion. if you are a player of horns, find a horn that plays well. if you are a collector, well you have your own pit dug for ya.
I love my Bach Corp bass trumpet too :)
Where do you buy your instruments (specifically trombones) online, if you ever do?
I'm quite young and don't really have the connections in my city to buy instruments second hand from people that I know. I already have a really nice, new bass trombone that will be my main horn for a very long time but there are some opportunities open for me that I would love to have a tenor trombone for. Because of this, I would be interested in something cheaper but still at an advanced/pro model standard. I'm assuming that this just means an older, second hand, pro model trombone like that Benge 190C you showed in a recent video. I'm sure you could provide tomes of advice so anything at all is much appreciated!
All the internet spots. Facebook marketplace, craiglist, etc. Always looking!
You could always just buy a horn from me instead :)
Certain vintage student models however are known to be equal to some professional models today. For example mid 20th century Boosey and Hawkes euphonium were made in the same factory as professional Besson. Similiar to how the Pontiac vibe used same engine as Toyota Carolla but was about $5,000 less.
Those Booseys are not student horns, though. And they are still compensators!
The age really doesn't matter but there are specific specific vintages that are known to be particularly good trombones
Yup, I said that!
yamaha serials often arent back to back sent into the world the same year or progressive years. I've dated 2 xenos with serial numbers 8 apart and yamaha got back to me dating them 5 years apart. so yamaha serial list is useless for the most part. You can email them and they get back to you with month and year of factory exit. and they get back actually fairly quickly. they have internal databases of when each serial left the factory, but the lists make no sense when you try to date them with x-y numbers are from z year because they dont line up.
I think when a horn is made is not really relevant to people UNLESS you collect horns. I am a collector, so I do care about serials/age, but thats to the extent they matter. I do also care about how they play and sound so that makes a venn diagram of horns i want to own/collect. but that's really just a collector's problem. I can tell you that a Elkhart era Conn 4H is good and that a lot of the good ones tend to be the 40s-50s examples but that doesnt matter to anyone except a collector.
like you said, a good horn is a good horn regardless of age or era and a bad horn is a bad horn regardless of age or era. when people ask me about horns and older horns vs newer horns i never bring up years/eras unless they are a collector. I just point out that older horns will usually have more wear and tear on them and may not look perfect but also emphasize that a good horn will play good no matter how old or new it is. then people usually care about if it's shiny or not and that's a whole different discussion. if you are a player of horns, find a horn that plays well. if you are a collector, well you have your own pit dug for ya.
And people that really need to know the age will use their skills to find out.