Is Religion Dead? Sam Harris
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A Celebration of Science & Reason
Vancouver - November 2nd 2017
With Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins & Matt Dillahunty 
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(◕ᴗ◕✿) I still remain hopeful All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,+ for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17
The bible is useless other than reading it as a fictional writing for entertainment, There are much better modern books for all of that stuff that aren't full of scientific inaccuracies the the morals of primitive savages. The bible is 2000 years out of date and the morals that are decent in the bible are common sense. @@VestalNumbre
Wow! Thanks so much for that!
There is one missing person from-this wonderful session (Christopher Hitchens)❤
what an incredible loss for humanity.
These are devoutly religious men. The State is their Religion, the Government is their Church, Politicians are their Clergy, Law is their Bible, and they have lots and lots of Faith!
@@josephinetracy1485 What utter nonsense that is.
@@solasta You realize that I'm right, and that was your infantile response! ha ha ha
@@josephinetracy1485so tell me why you as a religious person, I assume, are using religion as something that’s derogatory? Do you even realize what you’re saying?
This event was special for me. Because these are the 3 most influential people in my de-conversion from religion. Dawkins started it when i watched the God Delusion many years ago. Followed shortly by me watching Sam Harris, which i believe is one of the best speakers I've ever seen. He can speak in a way that is easy to understand, and doesn't come off as conceded or pompous. And he has such great humor that he can get the whole stage to start laughing, including those he is debating against. And ending with Matt Dillahunty whom I've probably listened to more than any other atheists, because I was a regular viewer of the Atheist Experience show. Matt taught me how I should respond to theists, and what I should respond with, when in conversation/debate with theists. Seeing all 3 together on the same stage was incredible.
I'm sorry to hear that
@@b-sideplank Seeing how there was nothing negative or sad in my comment, then I can only assume that your comment was a lame attempt at throwing shade at my praise of these 3 speakers. Is that seriously what you're going with though? Maybe you want to reconsider that, and perhaps come up with something that won't make you look so pathetic. lol Put some real thought into it, and at least try to make it a challenge for me.
@@b-sideplankNo need to apologise
@@Jak-5 "And they have witnesses to it as well."
Wait.......What??? How exactly does that work? How exactly does someone bear witness to someone else's out of body experience while "dead"?
Now of course, what you're talking about are NDE's (near death experiences). The key word there being "NEAR". There's never been one case of anyone coming back to life after brain death. Once there is no brain activity, there's no coming back. As far as the cases of NDE's, where people make claims to witnessing things going on in the room, while being "dead", are sketchy at best.
They have most certainly waded into those waters already. There have been extensive studies and trials done, called AWARE, which stands for Awareness during resuscitation, the last one having been done in 2016. It was supposed to be a two-year multicenter observational study of 900-1500 patients experiencing cardiac arrest. However it was extended another couple of years. In 2019 they released a condensed version of the study, which included 465 patients. The study consisted of both auditory and visual test. They placed images on a shelf that could be seen from above. But not be seen by the medical staff. Of those 465, only one was able to recall some of the auditory occurrences, but none of the visuals.
And just because you may have experienced something that you have difficulty explaining, it doesn't make it something that exist in reality. People get things wrong all the time. Eyes can trick us, our brain can trick us. Personal experiences only count for so much. And that's not a whole lot.
If you want the full results of that long study, you can find it here.... www.resuscitationjournal.com/article/S0300-9572(23)00216-2/fulltext
@@Jak-5I believe the unexplained events are because there is a thin line, in my opinion, between life energy being in a live thing and released back into the pool.. how cohesive the print of a live thing .. person or anything else..exists after living I don't know.
I have seen what others might call ghosts - too long to go into a few of the examples.. but one saved my life, and another told me something that a live person phoned to tell me 6 hours later. I don't consider any of the experiences I've had like that odd, just that it's frustrating not be able to fully explain them. Another little one I had when sleeping in an old house I was visiting. I was woken by a little girl in an old fashioned pinafore peeping round the door asking me if I had seen her brother. I actually sat up and answered her ' No, sorry I haven't seen anyone' before realising what I was doing! She just left and shut the door. When I enquired about the history of the house there had been a little girl and a boy in the family who had lived there the century before but the little boy had died.. I can still picture the little girls face and her fair hair in ringlets in her white layered pinafore.
I have a friend who can know sometimes when something has happened, described a graveyard once she was going to for funeral in another country (before internet access) to the last detail - before she went. It was as she saw it when she got there..
How? I don't know.
I don't delve deep into the how or why of unusual experiences but my starting question was 'where is life when it's not in a live thing?' Can it exist independently? Why do some people see ghosts or know things they can't know.... I haven't an answer for myself for that except something to do with energy we call Life being kind of recycled or pooled and certain people are not well enough insulated from the general pool and have 'breakthrough' connecting moments they shouldn't have..
I reckon the phrase ' the sixth sense' didn't come into being without reason..
Books written by men supposedly from a God figure? No I can't take that seriously.
Not just the books but it wouldn't be logical for a God if it existed to have people fighting over which book and killing the other book believers...
Spirituality.. that I personally see as different entirely from religions and believing in a god..
I did have one of those tunnel experiences when I was asleep, in my 20s and healthy.. maybe I stopped breathing or something. It was like being dragged backwards at warp speed in a tunnel out the bedroom window. The force and weight was enormous and it was like I was also the tunnel as well as being pulled through it.. I knew it was pulling me from my bed and had to stop it. I woke with a jolt sweating and my heart beating fast and thought 'what the **** was that??' ..I moved my pillow down the other end of the bed so the window wasn't behind my head thinking to avoid a repeat of being dragged out it again.. !
It was terrifying to be honest.
What had happened? I don't know.
I'm not someone who stops breathing in my sleep and tg it never happened again😂
I was felt both anger and freedom when l realized the energy l spent throughout my life that the pursuit of religion was a complete waste of time and energy. The moment l woke up to the nonsense of all religion l felt a great weight lift off my shoulders and an overwhelming sense of freedom.
That's how a lot of people feel when they give up a sinful lifestyle as well.
@@theboombodyexplain your perspective.
@@bensonbrett30 Well, think of the young person that believes they have freedom whenever they can suddenly buy alcohol. A small percentage of them end up becoming alcoholics, and the drink turns them into monsters. They find out the thing they thought was freedom actually locked them in chains. When they finally shake that habit and stop drinking, they feel a much deeper sense of freedom than they felt when they were first allowed to buy alcohol.
Reading the Bible made me an atheist.
Amen! Reading the Bible, Koran, and several other religions texts also made me an atheist.
@@Andrea-zm1nl
How do creationists believe that bullshit is beyond me!!!!!
The Bible wasn't intended to convert or convince you or anyone that God exists. You can and millions of people can interpret it anyway they want to as being literally true or just a collection of parables.
The only reason I can see to read the bible or quran is to see what kind of ridiculous b.s. people actually are dim-witted enough to believe
@@Resmith18SR you are absolutely correct. It was written to scare the shit out of bronze aged peasants so that the church could easily manipulate the masses. My point is that actually reading the Bible cover to cover along with several other religious texts is exactly why I'm an atheist.
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When one watches these three gentlemen, you know you are listening to truth and reason. Sam Harris' intillegence produces his wit. I feel the world is again making sense whilst I watch people of this calibre and that I am in good company. Sanity is valuable. Insanity is religion.
Sam Harris only sounds intelligent because of the way he talks and his use of vocabulary. But he's actually an complete moron.
Insanity is you're default position of nonintelligence created the Universe !
@@davidjanbaz7728 Gosh talk about proving their point, you're not even being respectful about disagreeing with them, you see how these guys in the debate are respectful to each other, even when they disagree on the topic, please try to be more like that!
As an ex- Christian fundamentalist, I whole heartedly agree.
@@markusnixon3156that’s hypocrisy, the original comment literally call religious people insane sure his friendly alright.
Loved the question on Christopher Hitchens. A Phenomenal Orator.
You should watch Peter Hitchens, his brother, on Alex O'Connor. He acted like such a baby lol. It was uploaded a few days ago. If you didn't know, his brother is religious.
Christopher Hitchens was a phenomenal orator, an even better investigative journalist, an even better than that writer of books, and, I think, a lovely human being. I met him a few times, and he was very kind and willing to engage in conversation. I miss him terribly.
i wouldn't say that religion is dead, but it has definitely lost some of its influence and relevance in recent times. more and more people are becoming skeptical of religion, and many are turning away from it. this is partly due to the fact that people have access to more information and scientific knowledge than before, which has allowed them to better understand the world around them without relying on religious beliefs.
in addition, the prevalence of religious extremism and violence has also contributed to people's growing distrust in religion.
Name one religion that was not based on violence...the very beginning of man made religion is covered in blood and violence..its not the messenger its the message's ...each 4 books say to kill or, that killing is justified. Where was the rights of females in any of the books ? ITS MAN MADE
I'm sure that's true, and some of it is due to more people having access to education, some perhaps being less dependent on religious institutions (slightly more widespread material wealth), and perhaps, women having more independence. I'm largely just agreeing, I realize.
i think you are confusing its influence in your life with the greater world. If you add up just Muslims, Christians, and Hindus in the world, that accounts for about 72.5% of humanity. Worse still, religion (or its surrogates) at the top echelons of power in many countries is entrenched and insidious. Don't kid yourself, religion- even in the narrow deist sense, is far from dead. We are about to enter an age where we worship AI as magic, because we will have no choice, and that is no different than worshiping a god controlling the tides because we don't know how lunar gravity works.
Too bad science does nothing for morality. The religion scientism was invented to add morality into science, but real science doesn't do that.
This is one of the best conversations I have ever heard. What a delight.
Cringe world!
6:00 so so wise
These are devoutly religious men. The State is their Religion, the Government is their Church, Politicians are their Clergy, Law is their Bible, and they have lots and lots of Faith!
@@josephinetracy1485what a stupid comment...
You're a simpleton.
I like a lot of Sam's and Richard's works, but Dillahunty just wants to make a "lets all circle jerk and bash opinions of people not here to debate". Dillahunty isn't really very enlightening in his arguments, unlike Harris on philosophy and neuroscience, and Dawkins on evolution and science.
Sometimes I just wish I'd hit my head and wake up with that amazing ability to remember everything I have ever listened to... 😅😅
Some things are best forgotten.
@@kingwillie206best forgotten like the bible, right?
@@6UAXINIM9 - Especially that!
These are devoutly religious men. The State is their Religion, the Government is their Church, Politicians are their Clergy, Law is their Bible, and they have lots and lots of Faith!
@@josephinetracy1485 no, that is not how this works... State, law, government all lack a supernatural aspect. And while I admit I do not understand politics well, all of it can be proven and demonstrated.
Jordan Peterson believes god reveals himself when tripping on mushrooms. It only took him 2 hours to say it. Great debates. Love the platform.
Yeah he didn't say that.
I think personally JP has gone very much to the Christian side but due to his position as a psychologist cannot make that public.
It still amazes me that people don't realise why he phrases things so weirdly.
Taking a public stance on literally anything is the psychologist equivalent of insider trading.
When he actively decides to retire from psychology we might get his actual opinions.😂
He literally did say that along with many other word salads
@@adifferentangle7064 he's been "retired from psychology" for a while now
I’m guilty (or privileged, depending on how you look at it) of watching all of Petersons lectures, biblical series, daily wire content, reading his books and trying to understand his position. As well as the position of his influences like Dostoyevsky, Nietchze, Jung, Tolstoy, etc. I’ve gone down a rabbit hole of information the last few years and from my perspective - it seems that JP has actually thought seriously about the merit of Christianity, attempting to peel it up from all sides using the tools provided by the existentialists as well as various sources in psychology and philosophy.
Christianity is such a complex topic that to reduce it down to simple mythology containing a moral guide or alleviation from death anxiety is too simplistic of a description for a book that has outlasted stone kingdoms and helped form new societies.
So I think JPs relationship to Christianity is as complex as the phenomenon itself. Maybe it’s one of empathy and understanding, while still recognizing the obvious problems with it, but I wouldn’t say he’s jumped aboard, just sees the historical consequences of so called “godless” nations.
@@jacoblehrer4198 No, he retired from his position at the university and stopped publicly practising.
He hasn't stopped being a psychologist.
Love seeing Harris back in the public sphere.
This is old lol, re-uploaded with better audio.
@@cmpc724 We can be religious minded and re interpret it as this video being reuploaded is technically reintroducing it into the public sphere lol
Oh because of the 'corpses of children in his basement' remark? Yeah he has TDS
from 2017
@@colelewis9940That sounds like something Jordan Peterson would say. LOL
I look at Religion like Philosophy as a search for Ultimate Reality, and Ultimate Concern, no matter how you conceive it.
So not the word of a god then...thereby religion is nonsense.
@@jameswyatt1227 Einstein thought differently and I agree with him concerning Religion and Science. I think he may have been just a tad smarter than you James.
@Resmith18SR and yet...he is not...following a false idol and claiming to have access to another realm without submitting proof is a lie you tell yourselves to feel less pointless.
@@jameswyatt1227 You really don't know what the hell you're talking about. 🤣😂🤣
@@jameswyatt1227there is more to the world then material. If the material provides all answers, why do we have a brain to even think.
Those discussions are fantastic and very informative. I wish everybody would be as interested as I am in listening to this wonderful and intelligent people talking about such important subjects. I love to hear them talking and I miss Christopher Hitchens. What a great loss. Anyway, those 3 Gentlemen were a pleasure to listen to. Thank you so much.
These are devoutly religious men. The State is their Religion, the Government is their Church, Politicians are their Clergy, Law is their Bible, and they have lots and lots of Faith!
@@josephinetracy1485 Indeed.. the Godless love running around claiming there is no God but never try to understand why those who used to not believe in God , now believe in God. To believe in God goes beyond trying to understand God from a scientific perspective towards one on a spiritual level.
@@davidrexford586 If Atheists were honest at all, then they would admit that their do NOT love anyone in this world; not their parents, children, etc. According to their logical train of thought.... "Love" is merely a stupid brain function; a few neurons racing around the pleasure center of the brain. However, since they don't want to come off as complete s**theads, they maintain this "imaginary friend" (their own term) of theirs!
@davidrexford586 My atheism came when I was at Mass, praying. It occurred to me that a being that's powerful enough to create everything would hardly be concerned with the opinions of the puny beings he created. THAT idea seems like something humans might make up.
I was 14 then, in my 8th year of Catholic school.
It kind of makes me wonder why so many who believe in a god feel that they have to have churches, and all the judging, and denouncing etc.
As if you think god needs YOUR help, needs YOU to run the place for him.
I kind of remember a Bible story in which the disciples asked Jesus something about what are virtues, and he answered, "Faith, hope, and love, but the greatest of these is love".
@@AlicedeTocquevillethe reality is we all go through life by OURSELVES and die all by ourselves and take nothing with us. If I believe in God and you choose not to , how can your choice to not believe affect me in any way whatsoever??? You don’t die with me and I don’t die with you and you get to choose whatever you want and I can do likewise. I am not the keeper of your soul just like you are not the keeper of my soul. So many think they have more power over others than they actually do and I NEVER force anyone to believe what I believe versus what they believe. We all have free will just like we all can do whatever we choose to do. Does it make any sense what I am saying?
One of the foibles of human nature is the influence of beliefs where rationality is complexed with emotion. Plainly speaking all of us vary in times when thoughtful understanding of rationality influences how we feel vs. deeply felt emotional beliefs that seriously affect our rationality. In this situation use our minds not to seek the truth to rationalize how we feel and make it look logical. This is the reason why 90% or more of beginning traders lose in the futures market. Once you take a position you become very emotionally committed, defending the logic that initiated the position even when it's decimating your margin account. The evolutionists are caught in this trap
This is all true and yet reductionistic in regards to traders. The main reason why traders, regardless of experience level, lose in futures or any market is not just mentality. There are so many traders out there that cultivate the correct mentality and trade systematically, and yet still fail at their craft because they genuinely don't have a clue how price action works, and what a good trading strategy actually is. Yes maybe if you have the mentality of a monk, you can get away with using a very systematic VWAP or Ichimoku strategy profitably, eeking out a couple percentage a month. But the simple fact is you're going to feel lost at sea the whole time you're doing it, because the fact is you are lost at sea, because you don't know what order flow is, or how it works, or how liquidity is used to by liquidity creators, or how algorithms are coded, what fib box algorithms are, what swing points/trend starts are, how many closes above a certain swing constitutes as a gain/failure, and therefore what a trend reversal even looks like... there's a lot more going on under the hood than just mere mentality, because if it was just about mentality all the most calm people in the world would print money. Reality is there are kernels of knowledge which you are never going to know about because they're hidden behind life long NDAs in many cases. Why else do you think banks invest billions of dollars into black box algorithms, whose sequences are then subtly changed every couple months or so? It isn't for fun, it's because the whole stock market is a rat race where not so obvious principles are used to toy with people- even very smart, logical, sane, equanimous people. In other words, I just outright recommend to new traders to not even bother with trading unless you know someone who used to work for an investment firm or a bank, because that's what you're fighting against. Billion dollar bank algorithms and whales who can guess with a great deal of certainty the stop loss of everyone in the market using order flow, and therefore can move and manipulate price action in such a way which will run against the grain of human intuition, ad nauseum.
Something like poker on the other hand, is just a matter of getting a read on another silly peasant and calculating the probabilities in your favour again and again. There the analogy of just having the right mentality and not getting fully wedded to emotional biases is much more salient
An exact description of imaginary, superstitious, religious beliefs...
The undeniable proof an overwhelming evidence is contained in one very simple fact that any fool capable of breathing in and out could understand.
No people = No imagined gods. Indisputable proof ALL gods are imaginary...
SAM IS SPEAKING STRAIGHT FACTS! I understand 100%
Not gay facts? Bigot!
Sam Harris is a devoutly religious man. The State is his Religion, the Government is his Church, Politicians are his Clergy, Law is his Bible, and he has lots and lots of Faith!
the kid at 50:00 needs to read more. Free will is not even close to reality.
It’s humbling to hear these three incredibly intelligent gentlemen talk about how little we know about consciousness. It’s so refreshing to hear that type of discussion without a theist trying to shove “God” as an answer to that question.
These are devoutly religious men. The State is their Religion, the Government is their Church, Politicians are their Clergy, Law is their Bible, and they have lots and lots of Faith!
God is not an “answer” to that question. I think you’re aimple not understanding the Christian or theist in your hatred and bigotry against them
@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue Who are you addressing?
the original post. But youtube on mobile browser does not reply properly when you hit “reply.” youtubes browser mobile site is utter garbage
@ithurtsbecauseitstrue1922 I know all about it. My whole youth was religious training. But, in church, praying one day, it occurred to me that it's absurd to imagine that a being, powerful enough to create all that is, would be concerned with the petty things of tiny humans. It is absurd. I haven't ever seen or heard anything to counter that realization.
I am very lucky. I had the best parents of anyone I've ever known. They taught us, my 5 brothers and sisters, kindness, honesty and joy. No one could have had better parents. I won't go on about them now, but I will just say that my children, and my grandchildren are wonderful, honest people who are truly loved by everyone who knows them, including people in business.
We don't need religion to know what's right and what's wrong. We just have to care, and be honest.
Can someone please for the love of the flying spaghetti monster reply with the link of the video with matt and the priest at the highschool debate where the priest said scientists believe we can rub sticks and rocks and produce a puppy?
I can't speak for the USA, but in Western Europe religion is on its last legs. Church attendance in the UK has fallen off a cliff in recent decades; and is now confined largely to the elderly. On the latest census forms No Religion rated higher than any other belief ...or combination of beliefs. The many medieval cathedrals and churches are well worth preserving though, as works of art and monuments of our cultural heritage.
This is very true, i'm English and a lifelong atheist, from what i have seen most English people don't give a crap about religion, it's become a bit of a joke. But i agree that some cathedrals and medieval should be preserved. Most of the ones i know who go to church only go for weddings, funerals and christenings, what i call fairweather Christians.
I'm also English and, whilst it is true that religion is in decline, we still have religion tightly intertwined with government and the public realm. Bishops sit in our second government chamber, the House of Lords. Huge numbers of schools are tied to churches and it is a legal requirement for schools to hold assemblies which are "broadly Christian" . A large number of schools are allowed to discriminate in favour of children with church going parents. The Church of England features strongly in public events and our Members of Parliament reserve seats in the House of Commons each day by attending "prayers" in the morning. The state hasn't yet caught up with public opinion.
@@annegraham9339 I couldn't agree more. Way too much power and influence still held by the church...out of all proportion to the numbers sharing those beliefs. Church schools make a mockery of our education system, as parents cynically work the system, which in no way reflects their own belief. Still. At least a history of religious education in schools has done its job in turning the nation secular.
Islam is growing like crazy in Europe thanks to immigration and high birth rates of Muslims. In a few decades Europe will succumb to Shariah law. You atheists don’t stand a chance again at Muslims, they will conquer you so easily 😂
Religion is on the rise over there…esp in England
If it was dying, its not fast enough. That being said however it won't die, because most people like a nice simple story to explain things they don't want to devote any rational thought to, assuming they were capable of it in the first place. Even then they cherry pick just the myths they like. As far as talking to the religious, I treat them and all politicians the same..."If this is where you're going you can stop talking".
It won't die until our genetics change significantly enough to afford a far superior average brain.
Oh my science
Both Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are such men of integrity.
Sam has experienced something subjective that Richard has not.
Sam does not mind, rather has the courage, talking about it even if it may make him sound like a fool in front of his fellow scientists and rationalists.
Richard, also has the courage to say he understands nothing about it, though it may make him look like he has missed out on one aspect of life completely, in front of men like Sam.
Both need tremendous integrity - another reason to admire these two gentlemen.
These are devoutly religious men. The State is their Religion, the Government is their Church, Politicians are their Clergy, Law is their Bible, and they have lots and lots of Faith!
I agree with you. I can't really get behind Dillahunty because he's a bit of a self-aggrandizing arrogant a-hole. He says at 1:17 "don't pretend to read people's minds.." etc, when sam is trying to point to the problem of straw-manning peoples arguments in isolation, when that is PRECISELY what Dillahunty does with many religious arguments. I am 100% in the camp of arguing against religions, and think that Sam and Richard do an eloquent job of it, but Dillahunty just doesn't. He also does this again when he says things like "I think Sam thinks he is X, but I know he is Y"(earlier in the recording), which, again, isn't engaging with an argument. Dillahunty doesn't want to argue against arguments, he wants to argue against people. Matt would do well to learn from Sam's friend and peer, Majid Nawaz: "No idea is above scrutiny and no people are beneath dignity.".
@@bobf5360 yes he has people call in to argue
@@josephinetracy1485 what? Where was any of this mentioned?
I was brought up with religion but I was never all in. I never met anyone who could answer any of my ridiculous smartass questions. I was also fortunate to be in a long term relationship with someone who was deeply irreligious. Not anti religion but utterly clueless about it. And profoundly incurious. It opened my eyes. Over twenty years we never discussed it.
I think that sticks and rocks is actually a good analogy. Banging sticks and rocks together for a while gets you nothing, but do it with enough persistence and you get fire.
In the case of life of course there is a vast array of different chemical reactions going on for a billion years. To my mind the number of chances that creates for producing complex chemicals like proteins and rna vastly outweighs the small probability of producing these molecules by chance.
no fire would happen
To your mind? That’s not how quantitative science works. Let’s see some numbers.
Hi Pangburn, as usual I am responding primarily to the caption on this video, my simple answer to the question is that since all religions are based on cognitive delusions which are a natural human attribute that serves to reduce the amount of time and effort people have to spend thinking clearly and properly religion will die with humanity, given the distant possibility of a new sub-species of humans not so prone to delusion it is possible that humanity could survive religion but would they be the same humans?.
All of the perceived power of religions has always been embedded in the assumed authority of the priests and churches and as that authority dwindles it looks as if it is the religions that are weakening. One must reflect however that people will find substitutes for conventional religions, any sort of secular populist 'movement' shares the same fundamental characteristics of delusion.
All and any of them can be promulgated by those who see the opportunity presented to set themselves up as spokespersons or leaders of such sects and sub-cultures, thus delivering something that has all the same cultural identifiers. This is quite enough to produce everything that we now observe from vegans to democrats a little bit of simplistic mythology goes a very long way!.
Cheers, Richard.
Three of my all-time favorite people.
i'll go 2/3 with you. I can't really get behind Dillahunty because he's a bit of a self-aggrandizing arrogant a-hole. He says at 1:17 "don't pretend to read people's minds.." etc, when sam is trying to point to the problem of straw-manning peoples arguments in isolation, when that is PRECISELY what Dillahunty does with many religious arguments. I am 100% in the camp of arguing against religions, and think that Sam and Richard do an eloquent job of it, but Dillahunty just doesn't. He also does this again when he says things like "I think Sam thinks he is X, but I know he is Y"(earlier in the recording), which, again, isn't engaging with an argument. Dillahunty doesn't want to argue against arguments, he wants to argue against people. Matt would do well to learn from Sam's friend and peer, Majid Nawaz: "No idea is above scrutiny and no people are beneath dignity.".
Is easy to see religion through a scientific prism and I don't even have to talk about rituals or symbols or spirituality or anything in that kind. Patterns are everywhere, just depends on how curious your are to observe them.
Patterns are a observation, not evidence for or against something on themselves.
Dawkins is in good health. I missed this guy!
@siddharthsriram2685 maybe the smart aliens are joking about the possibility of dumb religious aliens lol.
I agree with Sam Harris that mystical experiences and the feeling that we are one with the natural universe are valid personal experiences that are also acknowledged and validated by scientific research. The illusion of "self" is the fact that we are given a name at birth and that our lives are in a real sense, a creation of the society we happen to have been born in and that we all have a story or sequence of events and experiences that make us a "self." Our selves are in part a human construct created by social interaction.
But still you are not explaining away the true scientific fact but a nicely constructed philosophical approach to the hard problem of consciousness by implying "illusion" of the self is some kind of a given fact but nobody is capable of defining the constructs, the building blocks, the particle of illusion, or the particle of the self, say, if illusion and self have an equal value, the mathematics should work out the coefficients ascribed to your own unique life experience aka illusion. Look, illusion and delusion go hand in hand
@@stefand5034 I really don't understand what the hell you're talking about. The human self in part is a construct of social interaction. That's a basic concept in Sociology 101.
i also agree with sam harris on this. it is true that the self is an illusion in the sense that is a social construct created and shaped by our experiences and interactions with others. we are all connected to one another, and we all share the same fundamental essence of consciousness and being. some may refer to this as "oneness" or "the singularity", and it can be a powerful and meaningful experience. in the end, we are all part of the same reality, and we ultimately come from the same source.
Every living thing is conscious but it’s the intelligence we evolved that gives us our sense of self awareness and understanding of what we are, correct❓
Would competition between early human groups create a situation of groups who only acted with reaction and instinct would eventually be dominated by the groups that were more self aware and could plan and organize? It seems it would have been a huge advantage.
Obviously there will never be full agreement on Religion, Theology, Politics, Philosophy, Science and all the questions of why we are here. And it really doesn't matter if we agree or are correct or not, because we can agree to disagree and still attempt to lead a happy, meaningful life here on Earth. Perhaps our actions and experiences here are more important than our beliefs and ideologies.
Yes, but our beliefs have direct impact on our actions. And if the beliefs are not based on rationality and our reality, but rather on some fantasy, and what certain individuals choose to believe for themselves, those actions (related to the belief) can only be pointless at best, and potentially be dangerous to the believer or others in his environment.
@@volker2714 There have been and will continue to be many so called rational people with rational beliefs who commit horrendous crimes and acts of violence. As long as your beliefs, rational or irrational don't cause any harm or injury to others, then that's fine.
@@Resmith18SR enter religion...for good people to do evil, religion is all you need.
@@MrBadintentionss And you seriously believe that non religious people don't ever commit horrendous evil acts?
@@Resmith18SR are you making excuses for those committed by people who let a book think for them?
i said it takes religion for good people to do evil. that is the naivety of people who believe.
Science is a hard way to think. It's mysterious to probably most people. Even to be an armchair scientist is challenging to me sometimes.
The modern rational approach is still very new, you could even call it unnatural. Heck, literacy wasnt common until perhaps 150 years ago.
This is why I think supernaturalism is going to be with us indefinitely. I just hope it will soften and reform as it has in recent centuries.
@@ManDuderGuy Who doesn't think they are a rational being?
@@opinion3742 I probably should have said "evidence-based/empirical".
Nearly everyone thinks of themselves as "the good guy" or "justified", but that doesn't make it so.
Similar situation here.
Science once said eugenics was fact. Nazis sciencetice said they had scientific facts to back up their calms to be true.
Really glad Richard Dawkins is debunking the gender theory wokeness BS. Hopefully, he isn't done. His voice is really needed in the world right now.
The gender sex cult, is beyond BS and has become like pedemimic.
No matter you believe stay away from Matt dillahunty and Aron ra. They are part of a religion basically.
Religion doesn't necessarily have to do with believing in God.
They admit they have ignorance but absolutey, omnisciently certain there is no God.
An hour and forty minutes of cordial discussion on many many topics and nuances and this is what you pull from it? Showcasing a perfect example of what they touched on during the Q and A: some people are only looking for something they can take out of context to mean something else in the context they create. Saying one type of vision of God is not possible is not the same as saying it is impossible for there to be a god period. If you think any of these men state that they are 100% certain no type of god could exist, you need to do more research.
There is so much diversity in religion as there are opinions, hypothesis or theories on any given scientific discoveries, the order of wording doesn't really matter, what matters is the scientific method doesn't care about anything related to religious doctrines, dogmas, etc but aims at predicting the best possible future outcomes based on what it's known or available as true facts that cannot be questioned nor can they be debated whereas religion aims at human values not related to the scientific method because in the world of religion the value of primordial matter is subordinate to the value of the human experiences that rises above and that can be extended over to the next level of life whatever that might be. Mostly these debates are being carried out for entertainment value to the listeners as well as perhaps monetary gain from participating in the event. Now that we know the world is driven by the emotions of the egocentric needs to prove something or cling to anything that makes your life important, but see, the scientific method doesn't care about anyone's needs but facts, religion goes the opposite way which states that the importance of the human experience outweighs the values of anything that we consider important in discoveries of facts because facts by itself doesn't bring any meaning to life since we don't even know what Life is per se unless we bring value to facts from our own interpretation of whichever intrinsic value we input to it based on the framework of our own making from religious, scientific, voodoo, witchcraft etc backgrounds. I think religion and science compliment each other but we must be wise to discern the objective from the subjective in terms of valuing anything that we postulate as true facts because truth has no absolute form. The only absolute form of truth in existence is the one that no one has ever seen nor experienced it, measured, detected, quantified nor qualified it, that has never been touched, felt, heard but it was there. It is never possible to prove or disprove absolutness in form, we can always approximate it.
We live under the tyranny of "Masonic science." An example of this is, when a fossil or artifact is discovered that does not fit current Masonic theories, it is packed away in cold storage and the archaeologist is informed that if they contest this that their career is over. No more tenure, no more grants, no more funding, etc. Even worse yet, you're the worst type of hypocrite, because Freemasonry is a religion! Atheists following a pos religion!!
Also, Sam did amazing in the Q and A. His observations on wealth inequality and society needing, more or less, a consciousness shift were astute.
Pretty basic stuff. You can find much better thoughts in the r/socialism subreddit.
@@510tuberwait. Reddit AND socialism? That combines two of the dumbest things known to Man.
@@DrDeuteron explain your position on socialism.
Religious people know where they came from. The rest of us are still searching!
Religious people have no idea. Usually they have a very poor understanding of their own religion. They say they know things, which they know they don’t know, which makes them liars and shills.
Dang, that's a good comment. I'm with u on that because I want the real truth whether we figure it out before I die or not. To me, religion seems to be too simple of an answer. It has to be way more deep than that
This debate ,made me hope society solves the global warming and income inequality questions because humanity has made so much progress despite the influences of religion.
"Climate change" is all about forcing all of the poor people of the world to pay a permanent WORLD TAX to institutions controlled by the wealthiest men in the world for the air that they breathe. People like you will fall for anything. You worship power and money. Does the phrase "conflict of interest" mean anything in your world!!?
Intuition is nice to find things or inconsistencies but has no application in confirming or proving things - interesting thought :)
wrong I'd say
@@-V-K- can you maybe elaborate why you seem to think you can confirm things using intuition? My thinking was that looking at ChatGPT the current version tends to invent things which will need some other software to detect those errors. Probably one that will use some very strict logic process on top of the language model that currently creates the response.
I will try , but you might not like it.
Intuition is knowing. It is on a higher level of consciousness than intellect (just as Instinct is on a lower)- we humans whose _seat of mind_ is as yet still on the level of Intellect , only receive occasional glimmerings of truth from. It is from where every advance has ever arrived. The impression it then makes will vary with each individual ... e.g. The truth of God may make a similar impression on many individuals, but how they interpret on the intellect that inner knowing account for the varieties of religions we have. Just as the analogue of _instinct_ makes an urge- say of hunger , yet the individual may choose a variety of foods , however bad some of the choices may be.
Your statement may be correct only in that none of us are that far advanced to be aware of our intuition .
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'The Infinite cannot be known to our reason (which can only distinguish & define) ; but we can always conceive the abstract idea thereof , thanks to that faculty higher than our reason - intuition (the spiritual instinct).'
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Nothing is definitely a simple beginning that produced complexity 😂
The more we understand about ourselves and reality the less we have to use “the god excuse”. Just think, people used to sacrifice children in the name of religion because they thought it would make it rain. I wonder if anyone still believes that.
Do you mean abort!on? Because that is a child's sacrifice too.
@@7uis7ara lmao no tf it's not 😂
@@SydBodekeryou've never read the satanist doctrines, right?
@@7uis7ara I do not mean abortion, but abortion is just as evil.
@@dark1021 Yes. I don't know if you've noticed this pattern.The sacrificial ritual always has meant for something bigger than the child, in the name of the "good" of the tribe, the family, the city, etc. The god-ification of the earth is also a justification for child sacrifice; we give it to earth what it belongs to her, for the earth's own "well being", because she needs or wants it. That's happening right now my friend, and it does not matter if you are theist or atheist, that pattern is still there, because that is their re-ligion, that's their re-linking to something greater than themselves, for the "Pachamama", you know. The way I understand it now, is that there is no way of escaping the re-ligion to something or the adoration to a god or multiple gods. Is a pattern, is a way of being. The ancient Greeks thought that angriness itself was a god that possessed you or a virtue like wisdom was a goddess that we were supposed to follow. In a sense, those things "live" outside our lives and are bigger than ourselves. I think that Truth itself is a God. Now, the question is: what is a God? What did the ancients mean when they talked about religion?
We have to go to the roots of every question with curiosity and humbleness. That's the way of life too.
My take on how we evolved consciousness. Mother ancestor pre-apes kept their protective traits going by protecting their babies. Thoe babies survived, while uncaring mothers' babies had a more difficult time surviving. Over time, protective mothers became the super majority.
First cause of consciousness
This protective inheritance could spill over into caring for babies of other species, perhaps pre-elephant species. That cared for baby elephant by mother ape, matured, saw the ape mother in peril and helped her out? Once this first trail starts, it may be taught, or inherited by descendants. ...
Are you insinuating that apes are the only conscious species?
@@kingwillie206 Not at all. I saw a video with a squirrel protecting its runover buddy from birds eating it.
My aunt told me she saw a cricket mourning another cricket.
My cousin living in Fla, has an aquarium, transferred two goldfish to a deep puddle. A few days later she brought them back in and those fish were happy to be back their swimming indicated that. Big rapid circle for example.
Atheism vs religion is the title in the thumbnail of the video. That would make it seem like a debate if you didn’t recognize these three individuals already. This is 3 atheists talking about religion
This is the only unbiased place I've found on the internet. Thank you @pangburn ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Atheists can't be unbiased.
Wouldn't really say atheism an unbiased stance though....
@@trustideaAtheism isn’t a stance though, it is a lack of a stance, these guys on stage might have stances like Secular Humanism, Moral Landscapes, but atheism is not a stance, we don’t believe in baseless trash evidence for any god whether it be spaghetti monster, Buddhism (most common gods) and Christianity(incredibly un.substantiated world view with hundreds of differing stances). Evolution is a proven fact, beyond any reasonable doubt, whether a god created it or not. So that is also not a “view” it is fact.
@@trustideaatheism is biased towards only accepting claims that have evidence. Atheism is the only objective stance that can be taken in investigating god claims; believers accept bad evidence based on "faith".
Theism has had many thousands of years to find anything to support their views, and they still have nothing. That alone should demonstrate just how dumb it is, to still be holding out that any human book actually refers to a god that has the ability to create this universe.
Religion haters always think their own opinions are unbiased, their own hate justified, their intolerance necessary, and their atrocities ignorable or excusable. Its almost like its not the self that is the illusion so much as it is the intellect that is the illusion.
The Real Three Wise men. 👍👍👍⚛️🇮🇪...
😂😂😂
Not wrong there 😅
Remember, don’t put anyone on a pedestal. You still have to question everything and consider every proposition with critical thinking. Smart guys but they are only men who think and speak well. Respectfully. I agree with most but not all. These men are good at what they do. I’m glad they are doing it.
"What I mind is his thinking we believe what he thinks we believe". I can sympathize with Dawkins' sentiment here, but I also find it bemusing that he does the same when it comes to Christian doctrine.
Its rationality embedded in a dream.
Westworld, we're in a dream
Richard Dawkins & Christopher Hitchens 👍👍👍
And you forgot SAM HARRIS, Who is wonderful too !!!
Very nice conversation. I wish more of the questions would've been directed at Matt and Dickie, because Sam Harris tends to dominate
every occasion he's invited to (including this one) but it was nevertheless interesting to hear what these gentlemen had to say.
Not to mention that it was rather moving to hear them reminisce about the late, great Christopher Hitchens.
I'm definitely a non-golfer! Hahaha, that was hilarious
This scientific discussion is very relgious.
fail
The cult of human intelligence 😂
27:03 love it. Sam is quick
Islam certainly isn't dying, Christianity is growing as well.
AKA Ignorance is growing.
Richard Dawkins is so funny.
Love these guys and this conversation! Grateful to have them as fellow humans. I always appreciate what they have to offer with their thoughts and perspectives. Thank you for your contributions to society gentlemen! 🫵🏻
Sam is hilariously funny😂
All the corporate shills and islamophobes are funny but freakout when they hear word "liberty" ..then they want censorship enforced by the government. He is just anti-muslim not an atheist. Pro-big pharma who got really exposed during covid shutdowns.
Meister Eckhart was threatened and broken by the Inquisition. He didn't avoid this evil. He never got over this experience and didn't live long afterwards.
I don’t understand.. my body is me…I think it might be because that i was never told that was an option
Richard Dawkins is a personal hero of mine. Sam Harris is amazing as well. And other than the fact that Matt thinks men masquerading as women are women, I have mad respect for what he says as well. Tyvvm for all of the amazing content you provide us!
I believe if you agree with everything someone says, you stopped thinking. Matt is a humanist. I understand why he has that particular stance. I like the fact Matt is consistent. 🙂
I don't understand transgender at all. But who cares. What a boring topic. You Wana wear a dress and change your name? Sounds good to me go for it. Matt's career has 99.99% nothing to do with trans issues. Weird hang up
@@davidspencer343 not a hang up. Just noting that it's the only thing I've ever heard Matt speak on where I completely disagree. I very much respect him and have enjoyed everything I've seen him speak in.
@@Chriscraft50 I too respect his consistent views and him as a person. I am very glad to not agree with everything anyone says. And appreciative of the people putting out content like this. 🙂
@@davidspencer343
I agree with Matt on most things as well. Even with the idea that transgender should have their rights and be called whatever makes them happy. I have no issue with any of it. With one glaring exception.
During his debate with Dinesh, Matt was attempting to make the point that transgender women should be able to use the womens restroom. As a single father to a 5 year old girl I couldn't disagree any more on a subject than I do with this.
These guys almost make me think they believe what their saying...
Curious as to what specifically makes you believe that they don't actually believe what they're saying?
This must be your first time hearing from these guys.
@@BennyTwennyGrand This is your first Rodeo isn't it Ben?
No, I've heard them before, but can only take small doses. @@BennyTwennyGrand
To far fetched. They do have good imaginations. @@Resmith18SR
"Politically on the Left"
As for all outside the US: "Extreme Centric"
Being European; I hear no claims demanding the production of goods and services being nationalized.
Whoever did the lighting, think about cameras 2, & 3 as well, next time. [cam 2,3 are too exposed. F stop them up a little. (is that a thing in video?
The three headless horsemen ride in their favorite death circle! Again!
Take it this was before Dillahunty decided Dawkins was no longer his "good friend" over the Prof's views on Trans issues and Dillahunty had got himself a new "girlfriend".
I was with a Muslim guy talking about how I don't believe in creation Adam and eve and I how we actually evolved..and he responded by saying that evolution has already been disproved by scientists in the west long time ago, and I just looked at him with a blank face and said "you just heard that didn't you and you didn't investigate it yourself?" but I was just told it's me who should investigate 😂. and we left it at that that we "both" should investigate whether it is disproved or not.🤦
It’s never been disproved
I BELIEVE EVERTYHING STARTED WITH A SIMPLE ENERGY WITH NO BEGINNING AND END...EVERYTHING IS JST A CYCLE...THAT NOTHING IS SOMETHING..THAT SOMETHING CONTAINS THIS SIMPLE ENERGY...RESULTING TO BIGBANG...EVOLUTION...DESTRUCTION...AND BIGBANG AGAIN...AND SO ON...NEVER ENDING CYYCLE..
Get better friends.
well did you investigate and find out what he was talking about?
@@conspiracy1914
I don't have to lol, I already knew that he gets his knowledge and ideas from Islamic forums and islamic propaganda videos made by ignorant sheikhs... I just couldn't continue argue with him otherwise my apostasy and hate for Islam will float to the surface and I will be exposed.. I am living in a Muslim country after all.. not very safe.
Quite often the Bible doesn't mean what it says.
Just like "How's your father" or "Bashing the bishop".
(Luke 17:6)
“The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'” (Psalm 14:1)
Ad hominem
God allegedly hates it when people think for themselves, wonder why?
My fairytale says that if you don't believe it then you are dumb!😂 Brilliant. How are you people not embarrassed by your own ignorance?
@@mtoshamtoshaI'm a Pantheist like Einstein and I think for myself just like he did.
@@Resmith18SR He meant the abrahamic god
The amount of smug bullshit coming out of Sam and Matt is actually quite staggering. At least Dawkins has the sense to be polite and diplomatic about it.
Sam Harris still hasn’t mastered the art of speaking succinctly. Takes him 15 minutes to explain something that could be put into a couple of sentences.
@@tournaline3448 You mean like Jordan Peterson?
@@epicofatrahasis3775 I don’t think Jordan Peterson made an appearance in this video.
I wish this went several orders of magnitude deeper. It could have but everything was at the very top and surface level.
As evolution has resulted in inconceivable complexity from simplicity, I wonder why in trillions upon trillions of cases including one's own life, it fails to maintain complexity in the organism and instead succumbs to decay and non-existence? What makes evolution a successful process? - perpetuation of a species where an individual of the species is fated to die? I cried when I cradled the lifeless body of my precious cat when he took his last breath.
Your premise is flawed. You think evolution exists for the good of the species or for any goal at all. Nature is not goal oriented. It created what it does. Natural Selection is not goal oriented. It selects what works, and anything that doesn't work dies off.
Your last sentence shows where your mind is more than anything. Nature doesn't care how you feel or what makes you sad. There is no basis for human morality outside of a human social system. If we were a minority on the planet, and there were a majority of non sapient predators that hunted us, we couldn't make RUclips and social media posts about how much of a meanie meanie poop head they all are.
The debate "atheism or religion", like "evolution or creation", is fallacious because the evolution of the species supports the idea that an eternal intelligence superior to oneself created the universe with a plan, order, design, organization. Atheists deceived you making you believe the idea of God is fantasy or dogma of faith that belongs to religion. Would you understand you are deceived if i explain a deception? The greatest knowledge of all time, that is going unnoticed, censored and not understood, is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. To understand atheism is a logical fallacy you have to understand why the most emblematic remark of atheism is "who created god?", with the intelligent creator of the universe written in lower case. To highlight how much atheists are interested in "evidence" i say atheists wouldn't be able to prove their own existence to themselves if the logical conclusion is that the creation needs the creator and lose their children believing without questions asked that gambling causes a brain disease, and when they are told they don't care. Would you memorize and understand the atheist logical fallacy to preserve knowledge useful for future generations that would understand I am a good person among bad people? I am a poet that writes prose to be understood better, all my work is poetry. To end the war in Ukraine the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. I can only speak in a human language to be understood.
Things don't become true by virtue of a religious nut having said them.
That's an impressively convoluted pile of nonsense that you wrote there! I'm not convinced that you know what fallacy means and if someone can't write a paragraph that others can easily understand then you probably shouldn't be writing at all until you learn. What a display of ignorance 😅
Come again?
@@donnyh3497 I am a psychologist and I would like you to participate in an experiment. I offer money for your collaboration. It is important that I am understood and replied to what I say, instead of saying whatever to have the last word. I want you to imagine you read this loving poem to a prisoner waiting on death row. I am a poet that writes prose to be understood better. All my work is poetry. I need to talk to you please, it is important and urgent because lives would be saved with my knowledge. What could you lose listening to new ideas or understandings of reality? I know how to save your life with knowledge and you only have to understand the atheist logical fallacy. The greatest information of all time is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. The atheist logical fallacy would test your IQ and honesty and the error in reasoning is easy to understand being honest and impossible lying to oneself. You may wonder what influence could possibly have the discovery that atheism and religion are lies and I promise you that the death penalty, that religious people are fond of, would end the moment humanity understand we are literally God, the metaphysical entity that the kalam cosmological argument talks about. If God is unarguably the most important and talked about idea that forms all our psychology, behavior and understanding of reality and after fortunes of public money squandered on education humanity don't know God is the intelligent creator of the universe and believe the idea of God is fantasy or dogma of faith that belongs to religion is because the cult deceived you manipulating the information with disastrous consequences. Would you memorize and understand the atheist logical fallacy to keep the knowledge safe? Would you help me? To rest in peace eternally I need future generations to know the atheist logical fallacy and they would understand. I hope for God's sake I am understood.
@@mtoshamtosha I am a psychologist and I would like you to participate in an experiment. I offer money for your collaboration. It is important that I am understood and replied to what I say, instead of saying whatever to have the last word. I want you to imagine you read this loving poem to a prisoner waiting on death row. I am a poet that writes prose to be understood better. All my work is poetry. I need to talk to you please, it is important and urgent because lives would be saved with my knowledge. What could you lose listening to new ideas or understandings of reality? I know how to save your life with knowledge and you only have to understand the atheist logical fallacy. The greatest information of all time is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. The atheist logical fallacy would test your IQ and honesty and the error in reasoning is easy to understand being honest and impossible lying to oneself. You may wonder what influence could possibly have the discovery that atheism and religion are lies and I promise you that the death penalty, that religious people are fond of, would end the moment humanity understand we are literally God, the metaphysical entity that the kalam cosmological argument talks about. If God is unarguably the most important and talked about idea that forms all our psychology, behavior and understanding of reality and after fortunes of public money squandered on education humanity don't know God is the intelligent creator of the universe and believe the idea of God is fantasy or dogma of faith that belongs to religion is because the cult deceived you manipulating the information with disastrous consequences. Would you memorize and understand the atheist logical fallacy to keep the knowledge safe? Would you help me? To rest in peace eternally I need future generations to know the atheist logical fallacy and they would understand. I hope for God's sake I am understood.
I get so tired of Sam Harris word salad.
Can you point to some specific word salad that you heard from Sam in the video? Curious.
You must not listen to Jordan Peterson? At least Harris makes a point, even if you think it's a bit "wordy." 🙂
@@Chriscraft50True. Peterson tosses a mean word salad but I always understand what Harris is saying. Maybe groot just has an elementary vocabulary 🤔
and i get tired of people like you who refuse to see the truth and just believe in some fairytale from the middle ages. you're right, sam harris can be tough on certain subjects, but at least he's not out there spreading lies and misinformation like theists are.
When a religious person uses the word GOD they automatically assume that every one knows exactly which god they are referring to. Given what we know about human history gods come and go
If we’re being fair then we have to admit that we can never truly know what someone means when they use the word GOD. We should not automatically assume that we understand what they mean.
46:30 what Sam Harris Said there is something a Muslim will never say to a non Muslim, that's what makes atheist good people.
There are good atheists and bad atheists and everything in between. The same can be said of people we call religious.
Why does everybody want to continue to talk about what people believe, and nobody wants to talk about what people actually do?
Because beleifs inform actions
And people vote. Religion in politics is a problem, and others' beliefs directly influence my life.
@@davidspencer343Religious beliefs and ideas are dangerous dogma like any ideas or beliefs that subscribe to the view that they possess the absolute, unchanging truth and that everyone else is either wrong, incorrect, or morally inferior.
Belief is the means of control whether it be religious or irreligious
Abracadabra, watch that white cloth
@@tuckerbugeater And everyone in the world has beliefs and certain beliefs so what's your point?
Dam that stimulates the noggin 😊 Awesome
i think conciousness is a by-product of high intelligence. and high intelligence is a by-product of being a social species. i dont think it arive because natural selection selects for it. but simply a product of evolving high intelligence giving us a sense of self awareness. wich is a huge part of conciousness
Humans are a unique species that create culture, language, morality, philosophy, science, religion and that differentiates us from other species on the planet. I'm not sure I would call it high intelligence because we still live with war, violence, genocide, etc.
Animals have consciousness.
You said “evolving high intelligence.” Natural selection is the mechanism of evolution.
I am completely mesmerized by intelligent people like these three men. I am still perplexed why they aren't vegan yet.😢
Because the lifestyle is a first world privileged pipe dream. Go to any village in Nigeria and tell them they are evil animal murderers for slaughtering a pig for food.
Start with a randomly shuffled deck of cards, introduce a selection factor of red and round, end up with 13 ❤. Then within your 13 cards, look for prime numbers, now you have 2,3,5,7, ace(11) . Then find the smallest , you have 2❤. Evolution in a card deck with a variety of selection of factors, starting with randomness.
increase the card deck by a factor of 20¹⁰⁰⁰ and then shuffle the cards once every 20 years and you start getting close.
@adifferentangle7064
Yes, my very oversimplified example was merely meant to show that it's no great intellectual leap to start with random genes and, over many generations, evolve complexity. The fundamentalists that Dawkins was talking about were making the erroneous assumption that it's a random selection at each bifurcation in the evolution of the organism.
@@aletheia161 Yes. My response was demonstrating the ridiculousness of your proposition.
The probability of 1/20¹⁰⁰⁰ is just a rough approximation of the probability of succesfully making one single change.
You have to repeat that again for every other single change necessary to go from one species to the next.
In terms of statistical probability, literally every "unworldly" event that occurs in the Bible is at least as likely or more likely than a species gradually evolving into the very next species it supposedly evolved into over the entire history of the solar system much less the 50 million years or so leeway you get in the timeline.
Virgin births alone are claimed by 0.5% of females, making it actually statistical significantly more likely that Jesus was born to an actual virgin than mammals evolving from therapsids, by an absolutely ridiculously mind blowing amount of factorials.
It is probably more likely that all of science is wrong and the world is only 6,000 years old, than the statistical probability of evolution between species occurring succesfully once, much less hundreds or thousands of times.
Heck, Flat Earth is statistically more likely.
Probability is to evolution believers what accountability is to women.
@adifferentangle7064
No rabbits in the precabrian. At least scientists bother to collect evidence rather than follow the bible as a textbook. Your arguementative technique is called Gish Galloping and is only to muddy the waters. Next you'll be telling me that humans lived with dinosaurs.
@@adifferentangle7064 Don't pretend to be an expert in evolution, champ. Leave it to the actual experts.
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Francisco Ayala, a renowned evolutionary biologist and recipient of the National Medal of Science and the 2010 Templeton Prize *(and a former Dominican priest),* recently stated the consensus of the field in these terms [Ayala2010, pg. 49-50]:
*The overwhelming majority of biologists accept evolution. Those who know professionally the evidence for evolution* ***cannot deny it.*** *Scientists agree that the evolutionary origin of animals and plants is a scientific conclusion* ***beyond reasonable doubt.*** *The evidence is compelling and all-encompassing because it comes from all biological disciplines including those that did not exist in Darwin's time.* In the second half of the nineteenth century, Darwin and other biologists obtained convincing evidence from a variety of disciplines, which had reached early maturity during the nineteenth century: *anatomy, embryology, biogeography, geology, and paleontology. Since Darwin's time, the evidence for evolution* ***has become much stronger and more comprehensive,*** coming not only from traditional sources but also from recent disciplines such as *genetics, biochemistry, ecology, ethology, neurobiology, and molecular biology.*
... ***Because the evidence is so overwhelming,*** ... evidence for evolution no longer engages the interest of biologists except when explaining evolution to the public or arguing with those who refuse to accept evolution. Although not sought and ***no longer needed,*** the evidence for the fact of evolution continues to accumulate.
*"How many scientists question evolution? - sciencemeetsreligion.org"*
"As someone who's had the privilege of leading the human genome project, I've had the opportunity to study our own DNA instruction book at a level of detail that was never really possible before. It's also now been possible to compare our DNA with that of many other species. ***The evidence supporting the idea that all living things are descended from a common ancestor is truly overwhelming.*** *I would not necessarily wish that to be so, as a Bible-believing Christian. But it is so. It does not serve faith well to try to deny that."*
***"Yes, evolution by descent from a common ancestor is clearly true.*** If there was any lingering doubt about the evidence from the fossil record, the study of DNA provides the strongest possible proof of our relatedness to all other living things."
- Dr Francis Collins. Former head of the Human Genome Project and a Christian.
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In addition, look up the below articles:
*"What is the evidence for evolution? - Common-questions - BioLogos"*
(A Christian organisation)
Watch *"DNA Evidence that Humans and Chimpanzees Share a Common Ancestor : Endogenous Retroviruses - Stated Clearly"*
(Look for Dr Francis Collins at the end of the video, who was the former head of The Human Genome Project and is a Christian)
*"Evolution: Library: Human Chromosome 2"*
Watch *"Ken Miller on Human Evolution" - Kurpalac*
(Kenneth Miller is a theist)
*"Why scientists dismiss 'intelligent design' - Science"*
*"15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense - Scientific American"*
*"Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions | New Scientist"*
*"What the Scientific Community Says about Evolution and Intelligent Design | American Civil Liberties Union"*
*"The intellectual vacuity of mathematical arguments against evolution - Why Evolution Is True"*
*"Once again: misguided calls for a thorough revamping of evolutionary biology - Why Evolution Is True"*
*"Confessions of a former creationist - Trees In Space"*
Now where have I heard of somebody refer to a specific religious group as dangerous before?....
Maybe they were referring to Branch Davidians? Peoples Temple?
a “debate” on atheism vs religion….with three atheist?
Religion and myth will certainly be reduce in OECD and Liberal Democratic nations. But the expansion of population of “global south” that is mostly authoritarian from Africa, Middle East and many part of Asia are 85 percent world population were brought with myth and religious construct along with authoritarian religious and toxic social conservative culture. It should be a concern but the UN have no power to interfere with their social construct. Is sad many member states in UN are made up of these nations. So how can western liberal democracy intervene and change this social construct to a social liberal pedagogy base on secularism & liberalism?
You don't think that the west has done enough damage already?
@@opinion3742 The wonderful oppressed “Global South”, they can’t be the oppressor nor racist. Their leaders are emancipator of the oppressed . LMAO.
Great Video!!
Daniel Dennet was right!! We are currently living in the information Era. The religion, which survives through this Era will be worthy of existing in the future.
Adwaita Vedanta and Tibetean Buddhism will survive this.
@@sumitdutta7043 Nah...
@@sumitdutta7043 not if the Muslims have anything to say about it
3 people who have a hatred of religion asking is religion dead?
Dang, I wonder what their conclusion will be??
Sam and Richard have probably felt frustration dealing with the indictrinated. Matt kinda has reason to have atronger feelings about it because of his upbringing, but he's smart enough not to be emotionally driven.
Hate? Of religion? Nah. Not seeing it.
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"not to be emotionally driven"
Matt explodes regularly and belittles / bullies people on his show.
I find him intolerable, regardless of his "smarts" ...
@@JB.zero.zero.1 His resistance to trolls does seem to have been worn down over the years. I'll concede that.
Tribalism, is entirely about protecting your own, the outsider has to prove they are worthy of inclusion.
One very interesting realization I've had is that Sam spends a lot of time talking about spirituality from the Buddhist perspective, and he talks about the illusion of the self and how you lose the ego and find oneness with the universe through meditation and mindfulness. He promotes this because of his experiences of it and all of the data that supports it. That said, a lot of his atheist friends see this all as more woo-woo and don't really believe it or believe in it. Because of that I have found he and Jordan Peterson aren't all that different. Peterson believes in the power of the stories and the lessons and the inherited knowledge behind religion which is what makes it true. I've listened to Sam try to lead Dawkins through a simple meditation practice but it didn't really move the needle for Richard. Sam and Peterson both promote worldviews that others consider too far outside of what is empreical to be true or believed. I find this to be very interesting. I'm not arguing for or against the validity of either, just something I've noticed that really made me stop and ponder.
They dont half drag out a simple answer
Preacher knows exactly how his bread is buttered 💰💰💰
Can religious individuals who have some or all false beliefs and still do good things and actually help people, morally wrong? I don't think they are.
As atheists, what do you mean by ‘evil’?
God of the bible.
Tribalism in peace is a need for cooperation and community with like minded people?
Science is losing its role of leadership in the eyes of many people, due to the fact that it is in the grips of profit and corporatism. Science should be working to create a world that is sustainable and livable for we, the people.
Who is this Science you speak of?
I don't think religion will ever be dead until someone comes up with a plausible natural explanation for life. Until someone comes up with some proof of how life began naturally or at the very least a plausible explanation for it, people will always look at life and think it didn't happen by chance but was created.
The plausible explanation already exists; Abiogenesis. The previous explanation, mysterious magic wizard sky-daddy, was never plausible.
@@6UAXINIM9 Do you have any evidence to suggest abiogenesis is plausible or are you just taking it on faith?
Not that I think there is anything the matter with faith, we take lots of things on faith after all.
@@houstandy1009 I personally don't have the evidence, SCIENCE does... and it's not taken "on faith", unless you're comparing faith in Science to your faith in magic.
@@6UAXINIM9 I wasn't expecting you to personally have the evidence, I'm not expecting you to have carried out the experiments and completed the research yourself, I would have thought that obvious.
I'm quite happy for you to base beliefs on knowledge gained by others e.g I believe in gravity, I'm quite happy to take Newton's word for it and all the scientists that followed after him.
With that in mind what evidence does the entire body of science have that indicates abiogenesis to be plausible? One piece of evidence will do, I don't expect you to list an abundance of it, any single piece does me.
Just so we are on the same page I don't consider I don't believe in God or Aliens so it must be true as evidence, hope you feel the same.
Religion will still remain even when we understand more and more about reality. People still need to cope with life and religion is often an effective way to do so. It’s utility doesn’t hinge on its reliance on truth.
and wine
How you start a sentence with "It's the one thing in the universe..." when the universe is 95% "dark matter", the name of which tells you all we don't know about it.
We know a little more about it.
Three men religiously devoted to reason.
Great video! Thank you very much!