The Four Horsemen HD: Hour 1 of 2 - Discussions with Richard Dawkins, Ep 1
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2024
- richarddawkins.net - On the 30th of September 2007, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens sat down for a first-of-its-kind, unmoderated 2-hour discussion, convened by RDFRS and filmed by Josh Timonen.
All four authors have recently received a large amount of media attention for their writings against religion - some positive, and some negative. In this conversation the group trades stories of the public's reaction to their recent books, their unexpected successes, criticisms and common misrepresentations. They discuss the tough questions about religion that face the world today, and propose new strategies for going forward.
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Books by these authors:
"The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins
"The End of Faith" by Sam Harris
"Letter to a Christian Nation" by Sam Harris
"God is Not Great" by Christopher Hitchens
"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon" by Daniel Dennett
Filmed and Edited by Josh Timonen
Dawkins must've been so happy to sit next to his idol, Charles darwin.
Hahaha wtf
For Union Forever Hurrah boys Hurrah ..... LMAO. 👏🏼👏🏼
Sprayed my soda on my laptop lmaooooo
Haha 😂
john connolly
God is a moron.
Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens exemplify the pinnacle of spoken language skills. I haven't encountered anyone else who speaks English more eloquently while maintaining utmost clarity of thought. They reminded me of the often-forgotten fact that words carry meaning.
Agreed. As a Brit I love the Hitch, but Sam Harris is equally eloquent. Harris is also able to criticise quite strongly without being nasty. Which is a very cool trait.
Absolutely right!
Lol
Not a Hitch fan but it's such an affront to him to be called an orator at the level of that soporific jabberer.
Dawkins is more eloquent than them all.
"Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens spend an afternoon with Charles Darwin and Ben Stiller"
Seriously LOL 🙂
🤣🤣🤣🤣 damn he does look like Ben Stiller here
Hee hee hee excellent
One direction after DMT
May as well.....these folk are as arrogant as it gets
With only two of these men left, it's an honor to have this open discussion here on youtube. Long live Daniel and Hitch.
Well said, stranger. Live long and prosper
In this decade many of those who constituted my culture of thinking will be aging out ;( Those 15 years from this discussion have gone blindingly fast. Every old videos from Peterson to Hitch from Ted to podcasts are like postcards from past like great books, a nice poem from the specific period of our lives. I was 25 when I did watch this, I will miss every person religious or not that was with us through those videos in that journey called life.
Noooo I wasn't even aware that professor Dennett passed away. Rest in piece.
Two of the four horsemen are now theists!
@@johnroemeeks But the question stands of which religion exactly? Spaghetti monster and the Holy Teapot I presume :)
Hitchens speaks so beautifully, never a word misplaced. A true joy and a pleasure to watch/listen.
He is the guy they will be quoting centuries from now. If religion lasts that long.
@@TonyEnglandUK unfortunately it will. Humans will never grow up and accept that death is apart of life
I always say to myself if I could have Hitchens’ words with Harris’s even tone and pace, I would be president of the world. Unachievable goals but worth wishing for.
Fo. Sho.
@@Shiggystardust
Sadly you are right and they will persecute or murder anyone who thinks for themselves if they can get away with it.
This is like a support group for educated rational people.
It's a damn shame that comment only has 30 likes
@@markbaker5599 but its having a good day, I nearly spit coffee when I read it.
You mean death and hopelessness
AProtoHuman and curious people.
@@gman4074 please live a long happy life a long way me and my rational friends.
We lost a great man 10 years ago today. You'll never be forgotten. RIP Hitch!
Indeed
@KEPLER - 666 his mind is not conscious , so he's resting , forever .
@KEPLER - 666 he is basically in a forever coma with zero consciousness,
Not so bad.
@@EpicLemonMusic But jesus christ became alive again after the 3 day of being dead.
@@lightbeing8174 Nope, Jesus as a historical person never even existed in the first place. Another Myth of the bibles. But even if there was a jew named Jesus, he was never dead. Coulda been a coma, unconscious, brain dead, etc and the dumb ignorant peasants of ancient desert would have been known to the wiser.
Even after all these years it still hurts so much every time I'm reminded that Christopher is no longer with us. We miss you Hitch ❤️
Hes in heaven as Kurt Vonnegut would say!
@@miguelruiz7 No
@@miguelruiz7 He's debating God rn and he's winning.
@@jesterc.6763 hahaha1
Hi 'Sok--01', I miss Hitchens too; but since I am both an Atheist as well as an Existential, I well understand that though he(The Master) is no longer 'with-us'; he gave us his whole Being while here. We alone realize he actually is 'NoWhere'(see the organic disperse-ment of our own atoms and elements)--when we 'die' and rot-away, but NoLonger here. Master-Beings such as Mister Hitchens is otherwise 'extended' in leaps-and-bounds by those of us who fondly followed and remember him.
Notice how they almost NEVER interrupt one another. Awesome to see 4 intellectuals have respect for each other
Market Hood called a conversation.
Actual adults,
conversing on You Tube! :o
@@techtipsuk rare nowadays ;)
It's much easier when you agree with people 😉
"Would you mind if I disagree with you for a second" ..haha I agree, Cooper, so pleasant to watch
Timestamps (Topics discussed):
00:00 Accusations of Arrogance
09:15 Spirituality and Numinosity
13:47 Perceived Arrogance of Science
14:59 Doubt
16:36 Tricks and Invalid Ways of Thinking
22:26 Good in Religion
23:58 Sophisticated Theologians
27:34 Bishops and Vicars
28:44 Moderation
31:19 Professionals and Amateurs
34:47 Authority
37:09 Mystery
45:04 The Faith Card
47:32 Scientific Disproof of God
48:33 Magic Books
50:56 Challenging Arguments Against Atheism
Thanks, Alice!
thank you very much!
Thank you @AliceAttentio…
Nice screen name. Here's a bag of attention for you --> 👜
Thanks ❤️
How I adore hearing hitch speak
We are the better men for having heard and understood. The world is less since he is gone, but infinitely more because of what he left for us to pick up, and carry on. Carry on his torch, proudly, unyielding, for the victory, however elusive, is always on the path of the righteous men.
Harris actually became more eloquent in the presence of Hitchens as opposed to his normally direct, blunt way of speaking. No offense at all meant to Harris. He's incredibly intelligent as well. However, Hitchens was in a league of his own.
SeriouslyKidding Beautifully put. He will never be replaced. Like Stephen Fry, John Cleese, Michael Buerk, David Attenborough.
trexfan2 ilovetoboogie
Thanks! :-D
+SeriouslyKidding bit gay
I admire the way Richard Dawkins absorbs information and his appetite for knowledge is unfathomable.
he doesnt know a lot
@@ovaismir6618 unlike you, he knows quite alot.
@@davidkariu you talk like his disciple.
@@ovaismir6618you are right, wise men know they know nothing but unfortunately fools think they know everything.
@@MagicMike-n6u I am glad you realised he is a fool
“What if I’m wrong?” (15:15)
I asked my (former) pastor, “What if you’re wrong?” His response: “I’m not.” My reply, “Not even a chance?” ...”None,” he asserted.
I was excused from his office and church shortly thereafter.
He will burn in hell. Just kidding he will only rot in the ground that’s all.
Oh how much I hope for the next generation of religious people to be less arrogant and more logical....
@@pranavlimaye Or no religion at all.
@@nomore5668 yup why not. We can hope
Well your pastor is subjectively right. He truly believes and taking that from him could potentially make him miserable. The problem comes when you impose your subjective truth to other people. Tolstoy was not a stupid person, in the essay "A Confession" in his late life after heavy suicidal depression he turns into religion, finding some meaning (He saw and experienced a lot in his life). Is this "self-illusion tale" bad ? Not necessarily.
Wish Hitchens would have put down the cigarettes. :( He would probably be here if he had. He is my one and only hero. He is sorely missed.
He died as he lived and in my eyes he brought more to the world than many people do in nearly twice his years. Rest easy Hitch
@Bloodraven Guess what Hitch would have said to you about the sig idea 😁
The brightest candles burn faster.
Just enjoy cancer
Fuck heroes
one of the better uses of the internet so far
I agree. I should probably spend less time looking at memes, and more time listening to awesome discussions like these....
Net teacher mean to tell sheep from the goat !
Manitou, they are just four fools.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
---"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”--- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the dumbass didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word farting to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Only fools follow dumbass Hitchens.
@@2fast2block um, ok.
Sorry but that last paragraph is just, wow.
The world takes all kinds, i guess, and we could not be more different.
"Real science says nothing does nothing" typed on an electronic computer, sent over the internet.
Dont mean to insult you, but your seeming understanding of what science even is, is deluded and tenuous at best.
Glad faith works for you, but it means absolutely nothing positive to me.
@@SCQT "Dont mean to insult you, but your seeming understanding of what science even is, is deluded and tenuous at best."
Let me know when you actually have some evidence against what I wrote besides your word farts to fill in space.
Still miss Hitch, but listening to these 4 is a breath of fresh air.
One of them turned out to be a joke. Guess which one? LOL
@Allan No they were not
Do you like stepping outside without a tyrant demanding you pay a toll soon as your foot touches that tyrants land ? Well none of us will for much longer. Once new atheism helped european churches fall & thus be looted by the european aristocracy they'd tasted blood. Then they decided they wanted more & that without any churches they could abolish the concept of common land as no moral judge now was in the way - particularly with an oil executive as archbishop.
Thats why DARTMOOR NATIONAL PARK belongs to aristocrats and now cannot be used by you without they permission ( if they wish it to be that way ) - and there has been problems.. Same with the LAKE DISTRICT though penning the public OUT is more of a challenge. And its ALL up for grabs so its all free game they say - along with their police and military etc so WE cannot stop them taking the environment away from us. They are also making it clear what they'll expect - TOLLS.
They designed the first wave of WOKE & probably all of them because actually they are a consultancy service specialising in radical marxism based psychological and sociological warfare on people by elites.
@@cnn8420I’m actually curious which one think that is? I disagree with you regardless because none of them turned out to be jokes but I’d like to know which one.
Me too!
I keep coming back to this every couple of years and I want to thank everybody involved in making this meet happen
Thank you for writing this comment and thanking them. I also find this a very beautiful part of not being religious anymore.
Instead of always thanking god for everything I actually spend time thinking about all the hard work of everyday people in making great things happen, and sometimes thanking them too.
It’s such a beautiful thing for another person to get acknowledgement, rather than a god
@@leonardburca1154 I'm not particularly religious, but I am spiritual and give thanks for the blessings of ambition which I did not choose to have, but was gifted with at birth.
The Greeks had a word, "hubris" which meant not just pride, but the prideful ignorance in thinking that one can accomplish anything without having been given the gift of ambition and other tools necessary for success (a teacher to show you how to apply yourself, the resources in your area that you can exploit, . They suggest "the gods" give these tools, but I prefer the term "higher power", whom I make no claims as to their characteristics other than as the original spark that got the whole thing moving.
Do you believe that you choose to push food through your digestive system? Are you responsible for every blink of your eye? Did you choose the conditions of your birth, including your parents and region you were born in? Do you leave no room in your world for a creator or even a narrator of sorts of the events in your life which you have no control over? Does the fact that this world was created imply a creator? Forget about all the fantastical abilities ascribed to such a creator being but various religions, but can we at least agree that the big bang occurred and that at least is worth giving thanks for? Imagine if it had not transpired.
I don't mind appreciating others for their accomplishments, but I also recognize everyone was given different life experiences that lead to their motivations and potentialities, and we should be thankful for the blessings we have no control over.
@@chrismullaney9042 that's silly you wouldn't be blessed or gifted with ambition, it's a sin, biblically speaking of course, or was before the awakening of religion.
@@andygirone7442 is this a joke? It's tough to tell on the emotionally flat platform of a RUclips comment section.
@@chrismullaney9042 is what a joke? Sin? Blessings? Gifts? Which one is a joke to you? Ambition possiblity? Do babies that fail to thrive fall under the gifted or blessed? Or did the "higher power" that shall not be named feel them unworthy of the sinful ambition? I wonder about adults who all of a sudden lose ambition, did the "higher power" take it away? How would you know?
You made the claim that ambition is a gift and or blessing. prove it's not a "sin" instead the burden is on you. Or what maybe ambition is a burden that you were cursed with? Does the "higher power" that shall not be named do curses?
15+ years, and this conversation becomes more relevant with each passing day.
Yes, I miss Hitch's contributions to public discourse.
On an even more positive note, it was this conversation that led me to Sam Harris.
Could you imagine Hitches reaction to this current state of affairs in America?
"That's offensive'' has only gotten worse
Excellent Discourse.
Rest easy Christopher
The dumbass is dead, not resting.
@@2fast2block oh waaait a minute.... Don't you sheep believe in souls? In an afterlife?
Don't you Christians say "rest in peace" to the dead? Boom, gotcha. You just contradicted your own faith and will therefore *BURN IN HELL!*
@@pranavlimaye "Boom, gotcha."
All you've got is a dumb ass syndrome.
"In an afterlife?"
Just as I said, the dumbass is dead. He's not anywhere. There is no conscience. Even Christians are DEAD.
Rather than explain anything to a bozo like you, show that you know what the bible is saying. For years I used to go through verses you dumbasses have no idea what you're talking about and clarify things in not only the context, but the whole picture. Then the dumbasses would just deny it all even though they had no proof why and go to anther bible subject they were dumbasses about.
The bible says the fools have no delight in understanding. This shows even with the beginning, creation. Fools set their pattern from the beginning that they don't care about being logical, honest and scientific in their approach to the evidence, they just want what they want and to hell with truth. So, show that you cherish a good pattern about creation and what follows.Show that you went through the bible and just didn't jump around but started with a logical process.
Did you ever read the first verse of the bible about the supernatural creation done by the supernatural creator, God? If you want to mock God, then you should have great evidence that creation happened all on its own. There is NO proof of that. Only a fool will even think that and accept it. Once that's accepted, then all the rest of foolish thoughts not caring about details will follow. Here is a great example of what a fool accepts. They started it by accepting a natural creation and is not embarrassed to show their ignorance from that point on.
So if you want to pretend you know what the bible says and took it in a sequential manner to understand it (which generally how books go), then show what a real bible expert you are and how much you love reasoning by giving evidence that creation happened differently from how the bible says it happened.
@@2fast2block Blah blah blah, you got nothing and are just deflecting from that. Go away.
@@chingoputoh7969 "Blah blah blah, you got nothing and are just deflecting from that. Go away."
How are you to understand what happens after life when you don't care to know about why we have this life? Anyone can say anything. There is a logical way to approach things besides your "Blah blah blah,".
We have life in this universe, a universe that got here somehow. Are you with me so far or is the hurting your brain capacity? Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust based on reasonable evidence. Faith (trust) comes by hearing the word of God. I don't trust God because I could disprove what He said in the bible.
You don't like me saying how the bible starts with a supernatural creation. You fart out, "you got nothing and are just deflecting from that. Go away."
I already said "So if you want to pretend you know what the bible says and took it in a sequential manner to understand it (which generally how books go), then show what a real bible expert you are and how much you love reasoning by giving evidence that creation happened differently from how the bible says it happened."
If I've "got nothing" and you have something, then give your version how we got the universe without God. Or, just keep rubbing your pussy acting as if you are smart.
I can listen to Christopher Hitchens all day...His way of speaking is ever so enchanting
I wasn't offended when we found out that all religion is rubbish. I was relieved to know the truth.
*****
Why yes, of course ;) Because mythical stories that originated out of Egypt are always true teehee!
*****
Mm hmm ;)
***** - Hell is the most disgusting belief a man can behold. Congrats.
I'd engage in a proper dialogue with you but I'm convinced you're trolling. Throughout life you'll meet a lot of really great people that are not religious. I hope you learn to be tolerant.
You come into this forum and say that hell is true? That is trolling. HOW DO YOU KNOW? YOU DO NOT. SO STOP SPEAKING LIKE YOU DO. /end of story. Learn to logic.
I've watched this before, and I'll tell you what; I'll watch it again.
If enough of us try to follow in the footsteps of these 4, one of us might actually succeed. To the next generation of anti-theists!
Y’all make me wonder if humans can’t help but have a god. Some of these commenters have definitely defied these men. I don’t mean this disrespectfully either. I genuinely wonder now if we can’t help it but make gods in our lives.
@@ryanspurlock9516 do you mean deified?
Pranav Limaye yes. I apologize for the mess up. My phone autocorrected the word.
@@ryanspurlock9516 alright.
Well, I would say that we humans have an intrinsic tendency to join like-minded communities built on the appreciation of common heroes.
But I believe that if we keep an open mind, and even criticize our idols (like these 4 gentlemen) on their shortcomings, we WILL have the right to confidently say, "No. I am not deifying this person. It's merely respect and appreciation, and this is very much unlike the deification of kings, popes, etc."
Whenever I grow weary of people's reaction to my atheism, even when I take pains to avoid starting an argument, I come here. It's nice to know that at some point in time, people as reasonable and composed as this have shared their ideas with the world. It gives me hope for the future.
@Hufflepunk I believe it is gullible, conspiracy theory-sharing cretins like this "All Seeing Eye of" whatever who make you feel weary. Do not worry, my friend. There are more of us than fanatical cultists like these in the world. :)
@AllSeeingEye ofGod It's almost cute how much effort you put in to sound mildly lucid on the internet.
Also, I would rather read the back of a dozen Kelloggs cornflakes packets than go through misinformed drivel from someone with a troll account online, mate, thanks.
3:20 Hitchens is all like, "We should use the outrage card when they criticize our positions, since they do it," and Harris is like "But do we really feel offended or is it just wrong?" Hitchens hmms and haws and Harris (wisely) takes a silent sip of his drink. Really a lovely moment, and it makes me think more highly of them both, one for their pure integrity, and the other for seeing an impure angle and pragmatic enough to possibly use it.
Rest in peace Christopher Hitchens.
12/15 2011
The world misses you.
I am curious to see whether the next generation (us) will produce an aggressive intellectual even CLOSE to Hitchens' level.
With the problem of climate change deniers, flat earthers, etc. only getting worse, we need a lot of people like him
I think you will find that his views and beliefs will become quickly irrelevant as science advances. I'm sure his family misses him though...
@@SavedbyHim to the contrary, i believe that people will find your views to be irrelevant as scientific literacy keeps increasing.
I've been reading your other comments on this video, and you have a VERY outdated (much like your religion) opinion about atheism.
Atheism has NOTHING to do with what we think about love. I guarantee you, most atheists believe that love is a beautiful (almost....sacred) emotion resulting from complex events in the brain and body. Love was never about logic or reason. So yes, it's "irrational" for robots maybe but we aren't robots so we don't care. Love is cool.
@@pranavlimaye so beautifully put
@@khumomatlakane2009 thank you :)
Still watching...2020 💙💙💙💙
It is even better now. Incredible conversation.
+
Yes never forget!
Same here
@Brad Watson grow up Brad.
Still watching 2024
“Confusion and suffering may be our birthright but wisdom and happiness are available”
Sam harris looks like he greenscreened himself into the living room
Underrated comment
Hilarious and accurate 😂
WOW!!!!! you can't unsee it
Shapeshifter
loooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Richard's mind is so amazing. That question about 55:30 around "if you decide that fooling people is better than harming them with facts, do you also apply that to yourself and fool yourself?" is exactly how to put a sharp point on this issue. If you would not fool yourself and still like to fool others, what does that say about your opinion of others? I think that Hitch really gets this, and that is why he was a no holds barred critic. That is the only respectful position to take, no matter how you cut it.
I am watching this delightful conversation and imagining that these men are conversing about theism and statism as if one were indistinguishable from the other. My problem with atheism.
Robert Johnson Amen! I had the same thought.. about 30 times ;) So glad at least one other person on this pretty blue ball thinks similar to me, Robert.
In any case, I kept thinking how to apply these same ideological arguments to statism. My thought, referring to the OP, was "now, do you apply this 'fooling yourself' argument to statist ideology?" Of course they don't. Most of them are funded by various states. Few bite the hand that feeds them.
In part 2, Hitch even specifically states that people have "confirmation bias" in how they might hate statism, but still cough up the rental fees. He even says that this is a way in which confirmation bias is useful!?
Kon Berner Which is more destructive?
Robert Johnson In my eyes, all ideologies are equally destructive (ala Richard's point that as soon as things are taken on faith, the game is already lost), but... I take your point... the primary injustices still emanate from the priests of the political variety. That said, one step at a time :) These gentlemen at least introduced reason into a low hanging fruit, and I am extremely grateful to them.
Richard has a 30-year history of not letting the facts stand in the way of his world view. He is great at changing the subject with a red-herring or two. He also has many incoherent logical dodges "Who created God? Missing the point that has been made by philosophers for 2600 years that there must be an uncaused cause to start off this whole Universe. But he feigns ignorance so well, you'd think the old boy had never had a philosophy class in his life. That's genius!
These four are so brilliant, sharing ideas and input... just a constant even flow of logic and listening. Proof reasonable people still exist. One of my favs to revisit often bc my roommates are bonkers.
@henryscots6615whoever you loaned your single brain cell please tell them you need it back!
Many of my wounds of my psyche got healed while listening to this conversation. I owe big to these four gentlemen after this conversation. I don't know much about these gentlemen, but what said (and the way they said it) won my heart over. Thank you whoever made this video available.
Strongly recommend you watch more of these vastly intelligent men or read some of their books. Dawkins on particular is one of my favourite authors, he is very articulate and his books very well written.
Imagine the linguistic and emotional intelligence of Christopher Hitchens
What a classy human. A true cigar wielding, tailored suited & booted, blunt individual who will not let anything sneak past him when it comes to truth.
He is a few threads short of a tailored suit this afternoon. What’s the deal with the multitool?
I am so sorry we lost Christopher Hitchens. He is one of the best debaters and most knowledgeable about his subject matter I have ever heard. I truly miss him.
This is absolutely brilliant.
I'm so grateful that this was captured on video.
These men are extraordinary.
You do know that Sam Harris has recently stated he has been contacted by high up bods in the US military to help get the information out that there are ‘unidentifiable craft’ in the airspace. There’s a good chance that these craft might have been around for decades and possibly thousands of years. He says ‘we may owe some people an apology’. Shame Hitch is no longer around to get the update on this. Ancient people might have been telling the truth all along….well I never !😃
@@MultiBikerboy1 Atheist do not rule out the existence of other intelligent life, quite the opposite; religion professes that humans are created and the only "creation" of meaningful life. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.
@James Evans my point James is that ancient people most likely saw these craft as well and treated the occupants as gods. The truth that they exist is now rolling out in the US after decades of denial, and they (wisely IMHO) have got thinkers like Sam Harris to help brief it out to the masses. If you are familiar with the Christmas song by Chris Deberg ‘A spaceman came travelling’ it spells it out exactly. How am I so sure these craft exist? Well I saw one albeit for only 4 secs one evening in the 70’s. I’ve been waiting for over 50 years for the great fess up to take place. Humanity needs to know at last.
Agreed. And also, yes, Black Sabbath does matter.
@@jamesevans909 imagine believing crazy aliens on the stars , but ridiculing others for reasonable thinking.
I often return to this video when I feel I need some rational conversation to ground me in reality.
Hitchens on the fly is so great - 33:45
"Public opinion is often wrong. Mob opinion is almost always wrong. Religious opinion is wrong BY DEFINITION."
Right, as he self destroys and sucks on a cigarette. But his opinion on life and value of human life matters....that's a joke
@@21divel So the only critic you have is his personality and not the facts or his ideas he is saying? tells more about you than him. :)
@@Robertoxy You guys call it natural selection. Lol nothing to do with personality. And he had fits when talking about circumcision. Thats the joke and all idiots cheered him on. Now they're sad because he smoked himself to death.
Religious opinion is merely an opinon based on a belief system.
An examined, nunaced opinion based on factual analysis could easily coincide with religious opinion.
In the grand scheme, how do we know what is wrong? We cannot see the eyes that veiw us in the far future.
@@NothingHumanisAlientoMe Religious opinion is merely an argument of ingorance.
The fact that this video has 1 million views brings a smile to my face and fills me with hope for humanity.
O.k🙄
@@johnmiltonkeynes by "species" do you mean animals or different types of humans
Considering Gangnam Style has over a billion views, I am much less filled with hope for humanity...
@@millardfilmore1403 Why'd you have to go and ruin it?? 😅
@@millardfilmore1403 mate Hope, faith and charity are not optional in any sense. They are a must. If my memory services these are Theological virtues which are superior to the Cardinal Virtues like courage, temperance, prudence etc.
These types of conversations really changed the way I see the world. True geniuses!
Learn the difference between intelligent, and genius.
There are NO geniuses on this panel; just very talented intellectuals. Hitchens was also a very gifted writer.
None of them -- not ONE of them! -- ever debated a religious intellectual on their level. And they are out there…just couldn’t be bothered.
@@dorothysay8327 what people didn't they debate? Hitchins, famously, clashed with anyone who wanted a piece of him. Please name an intelectual "on his level" that he feared?
@@dorothysay8327 I mean I'm probably being a little hyperbolic when I say genius but you know what I mean just very intelligent people having conversations about interesting things
@@dorothysay8327 Who couldn't be bothered? Them? Or the "Religious Intellectuals? And Hitchens HAS debated some very serious people. Rabbi David Wolpe is no intellectual lightweight. I don't subscribe to his views but he articulates them as well as anyone in the business. Not one of them ever "ducked" debating anyone of consequence. If the "Serious Theologians" you speak of were not debated...it was their choice. And probably because they knew the inevitable outcome.
@@dorothysay8327 There are no religious individuals who could match their intellect.
The brilliance these four men have is just awe inspiring.
I would have give anything to be a fly on the wall during this filming. 4 of the most brilliant minds on planet earth, living and deceased. My true heroes and inspiration!! I am a huge fan of all 4. Thank you for posting this, Richard Dawkins!!! Now go write a new book I can buy!!!!
Acey Hadrian we are flies on the wall :)
Flies on what? Bravo
You'd think by your words you veiw them 4 as gods themselves with that idolatry. The Irony is amazing (Dawkins is a pompous bitter man)
carpejkdiem By your logic, because I appreciate the work and intellect of someone, therefore I view them as a god??? Some logic, you must be a theist. Thats cool tho, you can be whatever you want to be.
But dont assume because it just makes you look stupid.
No I dont view any HUMAN as a god, I dont believe in god because god does not exist.....
Do you believe in Zeus, Apollo, Huitzilopotchli, Thor, Dionysus, Athena, Horus, Mithra, and Krishna????? DO you???
If you do not then you are an Atheist when it comes to those gods. Because you do not believe in them, therefore you are an atheist when it comes to them. You See I just go one god further.
Now please have a nice night and do not assume and make stupid statements because you just look dumb
Thanks
Acey Hadrian Don't get me started. Now you're just being foolish and speaking from plain ignorance. And it's definitely not bliss!- blessings2u
carpejkdiem ROFL haha speaking of ignorance, you sure are one to talk. You have to compartmentalize the juxtaposition of your faith and science, or you just dont believe in science at all, I dont know because I dont know you, so I dont know what you believe, and I dont care, because your beliefs are your own, and are not scientific facts.
You speak of nonsense, I am very well versed in religion, I have a degree in religious studies, and I just wrote my dissertation on the Second Great Awakening, where I argue that BECAUSE of the 2nd Great Awakening, is why we have all the Splinter Protestant Denominations today. Why Christianity is so wide spread and how Charles Finney changed Christianity forever, just like Martin Luther and John Calvin did during the Protestant Reformation. When the Original version (Catholicism) of Christianity split into two.
I know the Old Testament and New Testament extremely well, especially the History of Religion. So I hope I did get you started, because I think this conversation just got interesting. Please I would love to hear your input. You call me foolish for pointing out a VALID point. And you cant take it..... Bring it Buddy :)
But Please have a nice evening :) :) :)
even 11 years later this is still the greatest conversation ever recorded. The combined mental power in this room is staggering
I belong in that room. Those guys must have needed a coffee at some point.
@@TonyEnglandUK 😂😂
If you think this is one of the greatest conversations ever you really need to broaden your horizons
@@electricrice any on your horizons you might recommend?
This interview is brand new and I think it's a very good place to start ruclips.net/video/pqYjsLcfE1g/видео.html
Watching this again after some years is enriching.
People don't understand how important videos like these are, it's like watching Plato, Aristotle etc, having discussions.
I love these men so much, along with Shermer, Krauss, P&T and others, I enjoy and value life more now as a direct result of their wisdom
The 4 horsemen, Christopher Hitchens, Charles Darwin, Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins, my heroes!! Great video!
And they all have the IQ of a horse.
@@rasmith_99 How childish
@@r8revolver773 except for Harris. He’s got the IQ of a turnip.
@Jhulir Harris book is circular reasoning. It’s complete garbage. And been easily pointed out and debunked.
@Jhulir the scientific community; peer reviews.
What I personally love about this is when one happens to be speaking, you can see the others thinking. Their body language subtly portrays their own process of thought, their own shades of reason. And I must say, Hitchens looks serious :)
RIP Daniel Dennett
I can watch this every few months and actually feel satisfied and physically feel joy somehow by listening to them, especially with Hitch gone now. I am so sad, that I've only discovered him a few years ago when it was somehow too late. The whole thing is just amazing and the great part is that I still enjoy Sam's arguments almost on a daily basis with his podcast etc.
I also came here to see Hitch, and he is my favorite intellectual of all times, but please.. show some respect to Sam, Dawkins and Daniel... they are very brave, honest and educated as well. I truly believe that when Sam Harris grows up he will remind us alot of what the Hitch was before he died.
I've had this in my feed for two weeks now an have finally decided to give it a watch. Good call!
Abandoned faith i in high-school and have struggled with simple things like my dad saying grace and how to behave after a sneeze..... minor struggles, but still something I am conscious of. This conversation cleared things up for me nicely and I am grateful. I no longer need to worry about the simple courtesy of saying "amen " or "bless you ". This small thing makes me feel happy
I mean, I can say these things without being hypothetical
Hypocritical..... I promise I can read lol
The respect and admiration that these four individuals show for one another is as much endearing as it is exemplary.
So much brain power, knowledge and wonderful english (I'm not a native speaker and just enjoy their sophisticated way of speaking). I could watch this over and over again. Thanks so much for the upload!
The fact that they do not interrupt each other while one is talking proves that they are highly intelligent.
listening is a sign of intelligence thats why
I come back to this about once a month. Just a wonderful conversation. 3 of my heros at one table. Hitchens, Harris, and Dawkins helped me leave religion. Dennet is obviously amazing as well. I love this video💜
I have to thank Penn Jillette for opening my mind and then thank Dawkins and Hitchens for opening my eyes. I was raised Catholic but could never call myself devout but I still was a believer, now I am not. I used to post pretty ignorant things all over the internet and I look back in shame now.
Ryan Miles lmao nice
Shame is subjective..as are all morals..get over it.
Don't feel bad, you were lie to from young, thus it's not your fault
Welcome to the light, my friend. Do not feel ashamed for growing up. :)
It's ok👍.. thank you for Awakening
I will be in Glendale in November to see Sam and Richard, truly will be a highlight in my life. I cannot wait. I wish I was able to see HItchens and Dennett.
What an absolute delight it is to listen to Sam Harris’ arguments. He is a phenomenal thinker.
I loved what he had to say about _"being offended when a belief is challenged"_ - if a physicist's beliefs are challenged the challenge is welcomed because it may progress what is already known. With religion, such challenges are guillotined as dangerous.
Thnak you Daniel Dennett and Christopher Hitchens❤
25:22 - 25:41 Aah! What a lovely moment.. That very spontaneous unique English/Victorian respectful old chaps disagreement with a cheerful outburst of jolly laughter!
see, this is how a decent conversation looks like.
A decent conversation amongst dumbasses.
@@2fast2block ...and trolling is intelligent?
@@GuitarDog_atx oh, I didn't realize this was a public video. Evidently, it's a private video only to be watched and commented on by dumbasses who believe these dumbasses. If you're not, then you're called a troll.
They are a dumbass just as you are a dumbass who believes your god of nothing did miracles naturally with nothing as proof.
Shove this up your dumb ass and see if it reaches your head way up there:
The atheist/agnostic god. I HATE your god, the god of nothing. Your god claims to have given us the universe, fine-tuning of the universe for life, life from non-life, information for life before and after it began, the laws of nature, etc, etc, when we know that your god of nothing can do nothing. Your god of nothing has nothing to offer and its followers only offer nothing of evidence for their god of nothing. That makes them nothing of importance but the followers of the god of nothing are so delusional that they think they do have something to offer to defend their god of nothing.
www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html
The true God beats the crap out of the atheist/agnostic god of nothing.
It's the atheistic/agnostic types that supply the greatest comedy. They think the universe came about by natural means. There's NO science for it and ALL the science we know proves that creation had to be supernatural and done by a supernatural creator, but...., not to atheists/agnostics. Isn't that funny?!
You can't do it because you devoted your life to the god of nothing and love being a dumbass.
----Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.-----
Then the extreme order we have in our universe that defies all physics, but....., not to atheists/agnostics. It's just happened by mere chances even though we prove it can't happen by chance. Funny!
www.inplainsite.org/html/anthropic_principles.html
kgov.com/fine-tuning-of-the-universe
And life? Well, it just came from non-life. It's so absurd it's even hard to type that, but....., atheists/agnostics claim to believe it happened somehow by natural means. Again, funny!
Many have brought up such issues how funny it is, including James Tour.
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Ribosomes had to be there for life but ribosomes are far too sophisticated.
creation.com/media-center/youtube/ribosome-the-most-sophistcated-machine-ever-made?Ribosome%3A+the+%22most+sophistcated+machine+ever+made%22&.creation.com&Creation.com+Daily+-+US+-+Sun+09+Feb+2020+-+1009
Then, what this life did after it started by mere chance can't happen by science, but....., atheists/agnostics believe it did. Funny!
Life takes information to form and proceed on. But to atheists/agnostics, chaos through time gave us information. Although it's even hard to write such a ridiculous statement, they believe it. All one can do is laugh at such stupidity.
ruclips.net/video/aA-FcnLsF1g/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/7c9PaZzsqEg/видео.html
creation.com/laws-of-information-1
creation.com/laws-of-information-2
Only fools don't believe God was involved.
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I've kept this very basic and brief. I can provide much deeper, yet there's no need to since each point proves there is no explanation for such things to have happened naturally. This IS evidence against such things happening naturally. Lame excuses of why it can still have happened naturally with no science to support it are just that, lame excuses.
There's a ton more. If you want a laugh, see what atheists/agnostics believe.
@@2fast2block
Cool. Life and the Universe came from God if you say so.
Now DO tell me,
*Where did God come from?*
From nothing?
*Then why can't the universe come from nothing?*
Ever used your brain like that? Dipshit
@@2fast2block Sorry I would like to make a correction. You aren't a dipshit.
You're a thick-skinned dipshit. I hope you don't ever have kids. Not gonna waste more of my time, I'm out.
rest easy Daniel Dennet and Christopher Htichens both of you were sorely missed
18 years and so much of what they all say is relevant in 2022. Missing Hitchens x
It’s not 18 years later
This was recorded in 2007 IIRC.
@insight827 sorry I have PTSD after 28yrs of The Lawnmower of Death rolling along 28:43
I can't stop watching this in short blasts 29:33
Sam, great stuff 👏
29:57 😂
Kretin?
30:18 🎉great story 👌 30:36
🎉😂🎉😂 30:42
Stay Silly Stay Safe and Stay Free 🌐 No god's required
Hitchens had such a tremendous amount of inherent style. Not just in his discourse, but in his entire persona and the way in which he carried himself with confidence and respect when speaking with fellow intellectuals (who weren't representatives of religion). It's never come across as arrogance to me (note how softly and measured he addresses his colleagues when he doesn't have to combat an ideology) but a genuine knowledge of himself.
One of the finer examples of our contemporary critical thinkers in the public space. Their discourse is uniquely refreshing.The loss of Chris is deeply felt by those of us who couldn’t wait to hear or read whatever subject was occupying his mind next.
Don't let him hear you call him Chris though 😊
@@anthonycook8703 indeed.
I consider the analogy of a priest being like a shepherd and his congregation, his sheep, to be pretty accurate. The element of it which I wish wasn't ignored is that the shepherd doesn't do so for his love of the lives of the sheep, but rather so he can take their wool and eat their flesh. In the end, the key difference between shepherd and wolf is that the wolf never tries to convince the sheep they won't be eaten.
What a treat to have the greats together. I’m upset I’ve woken up and out of religions after hitchens has passed but grateful for all the incredible content on here!
Well done Seth.
Escaping the lying shackles of religion is a great achievement. 👍
There's something comforting about watching Hitch raise a tumbler and a cigarette to his mouth between his comments.
@@upturnedblousecollar5811 absolutely! His calm demeanor and cadence is just good for the soul.
RIP Christopher Hitchens, your work will always live on in the minds of others. May you fly high.
His work? He was literally just an articulate journalist. He didn’t do any great deeds, he lived poorly and killed himself with alcohol and other drugs. You only think him great because you agree with him
@@tsarnicholasii274 Sure he was a journalist by trade, but he was great due to his articulate speech and critical way of thinking, not his job.He made poor health choices but that is irrelevant to his reputation.
@@r8revolver773 Unless we're talking about his misogyny or his support of the iraq war. I just believe that there are far better debaters
Fly high where?
@@tsarnicholasii274 Hitchens was ranked as one of the top 100 intellectuals of our time. You’re nothing more than a contrarian.
:Listening to a discussion between these four is so therapeutic. Such rational thinking- it's just so incredibly refreshing, as well as reassuring - and I am so truly grateful for that.
Carl - this discussion gives far more to the human race than millennia of religious bollocks ever has.
Phil.
@@tinaa9231 If only enough of the human race was receptive to this sort of discourse. 🙍♂
one of the 4 rationalists killed himself through excess smoking and addiction ,pretty rational
"If you will claim it for one, you must accept it for the more" - Classic Hitch wisdom!
I thought he said "for them all." Regardless, great quote. Hitch truly had an incredible way with words.
Four highly intelligent individuals having a polite discussion and actually listening to each other, thank you for this video, enjoyed it very much.
Highly intelligent means shit all then. They all drink a known neurotoxins. Literally killing their intelligence. How smart can you be if you are willingly killing your intelligence like that? Not very smart I'd say ...
I liked Hitchens and I enjoy listening to Dawkins but their intelligence is overrated. Of course they are all intelligent but then again so are countless millions of others.
@@agnidas5816 says the twat on RUclips. With no vices?
@@firstaddz8100 where can I find your accolades from your peers? Where do people claim how intelligent you are? Where can I find the accolades of the millions you speak of? You make claims with no evidence and no way of proving such a claim. Must be religious?
Some people put themselves out there, and some people (you) hide behind and anonymity online, so no one will ever know you or your thoughts. Pathetic.
Thanks so much for the upload
One of the best
Still watch it at least once a year
logic and reason bless this holy meeting, in the name of intellect, science, and the free spirit :)
***** Amen! Hail Satan!
Amen! Hail Santa!
@@zetetick395 Hi! I have dailysex. I mean, dyslexia!
Nature is far from man’s conception of logic.
@@stuartherrmann228 what man? Speak for yourself, because you don't speak for me.
Found back to this video after rewatching some Hitchens videos. Oh how I miss him.
It is aparent to see the thoughtfulness and empathy these men have for the religious/non-religious, the self-righteous, and how we are all living a human experience. THE NUANCE! THE WILLINGNESS TO ENTERTAIN THE IDEA THAT THEY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING. I wish we all (religious and not) will follow their example. Thank you for the example!
It’s 2021, 10 years since hitch passed and boy would it be good to hear what he had to say right now...
The joy of hearing these guys speak passionate about something that’s so obviously harmed humanity throughout history….plus seeing Hitch enjoying a whiskey and a cigarette,his vices,while speaking so beautifully about a subject close to my heart is gorgeous
Relatively new fan here guys , thanks to the viewers , community , and these great men for showing me the truth ! ❤️ gained a lot of knowledge from these guys , thanks again 😊
Time for another visit with some of my favourite people - so refreshing to listen to intellectual discussions on this platform.
I remember watching this back when I was around 19 back in '07. I was an atheist (now a pantheist), and I could be flippant about God, death and the comfort faith gives people. I used to love Dawkins, which I now attribute to my Asperger's and brash, youthful attitude.
It's now October 20 2020. How the distance between two dates be so long and so short at the same time? 2007 and now are so close to each other, yet so far apart. Our intuitions aren't made to keep track of time, and it's scary to think how ridiculously short life is. Back in '07 it thought it would take an eternity for me to reach 30. Now I'm almost 32. Soon I'll be 42.
The older you get the faster it goes. I'm 68 now and remember 50 is was yesterday so he has it gets faster. In a satisfying way
@@howardhorn2719 Well. I hope you're enjoying yourself.
Fascinating stuff! and I find it remarkable that even in this distinguished company Hitchens' erudition and humour is exceptionally illuminating and amusing.
We are a minority in this comment section. Look at all the triggered religious proles, an infestation.
I LOVE this. I found my own way out of the dogma. To think there are so many more intellectuals that so vehemently think the same as me along these lines.
I'm so happy to have found this, I have so so much to learn and its great to have teachers like these four. I have been over much of Mr Hitchens works, same with Mr Dawkins, also I have known a great lot about Mr Harris but I haven't delved into his work until lately. But what a charm it is, to figure there is another man that was at close standings with the 3 I mentioned moments before, Daniel Dennett seems to be a whole new chapter in the book of theology, that I cannot wait to find out more information about! This is quite exciting.
I'm afraid to say this but I found out about Christopher Hitchens far too late, I don't know how I missed him. This is the first time I've heard him speak, he has that certain relaxing voice, tone that is easy to listen to.... Wow!! He just so reinforces my lifelong atheistic beliefs. I only came here because of Dawkins. Same with Daniel... *Hides face in shame**
I will defo watch more of Hitchens...
49:15 watching Hitchens snicker at Sam Harris saying that "wheel barrow as emergent technology" line is priceless. ... lol 🤣
This conversation frees my mind just to see and hear these intelligent people talk about Religion in such and open and honest way. Because of these people and their views on Religion - Its hard to describe but I feel more content, at ease with who I am and so much better able to understand how I co-exist with not just people of faith but people of non faith. A big Thank you to all four of you.
There is a lot to be learned by sharing in this discussion. I find it so illuminating to watch _how_ these great minds share the time and conversation when you *_know_* each one of them has books upon books of knowledge and insight to share on these topics. So rewarding to experience.
About 9:02, I think Sam's point is that we need to retake the language confiscated by religion and redefine it in a non-supernatural way. If we can do that, people will have a way to identify and share their experiences with a shared language that does not require a supernatural aspect. And I think that is important and practical in terms of reaching out to people.
Note for my future discussions: Take a drink when you are done with your point.
This is once of the most precious and amazing discussions in humanity
Dawkins has the (and I say this respectfully) the most mild and non threatening voice. It's amazing to hear him speak so softly vs. what his pen screams.
I didn't even know about this conversation. I'm glad I found out about it.
after having dabbled in meditation for the last few years, and teenage years marked by strong atheism, watching debates of these gents etc., i feel i'm right at the moment where i can appreciate this discussion from a more well rounded perspective.
it's not the same as just being a militant atheist. after seeing some of the spiritual path without any magic or metaphysics, i return to these guys as they talk about those who believe in the most irrational things. pretty encouraging.
"When you look at the books, and ask yourself, 'Is there the slightest shred of evidence that this is the product of omniscience? Is there a single sentence in here that could not have been uttered by a person for whom a wheelbarrow would've been emergent technology?' " 49:08
I wish they did a series of these.
How wonderful it is to know there are a few great people still left, though its sad we lost Hitch :(
It's so depressing to know that two of these four great men are no longer with us. RIP Hitch and Dennett ! Protect Harris and Dawkins !
I just discovered Hitchens, or should I say -he discovered me. It's a bit eerie, because he reminds me of myself, the demeanor, the smoking and drinking, the endless internal discourse. Im glad now.
I am religious and enjoy this conversation. I don’t understand how people are offended by opposing views. I think it is important to hear counter arguments from intellectuals that believe differently than I do.
This made me smile. Only if there were more people like you
We should try to learn.
The first picture I get: Hitchens smokes a cigar and right after takes a sip of alcohol. He should have taken his health more seriously, I really miss him.
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He continued doing it partly because of vanity I think. He liked the image it created.
Look at how he sits with his legs half-crossed the whole time. Can’t be comfy to continually maintain it, but it makes him look a bit more...intellectual?
It's not that he didn't take his health seriously. It's that he took the pleasures of things in life more seriously. He spoke many times why He continued to smoke and drink even after his health took a bad turn.
@@yington nothing to do with vanity. Everything to do with his mentality of, "I only live once, so I'm going to enjoy all of life's vices til they I'll me".
@@thedevil3890 This is promoting self damaging behaviour. Willingly hurting once body and spirit for the sake of pleasure is a truly degenerate behaviour and large part of why our modern society is how it is. He was an alcoholic and he couldn't quit it and the rest are excuses.
If he had put down the cigarettes and booze and women, his thinking, writing, and speaking would not have been infused with the rebellious and passionate streak that fuelled it.
So grateful for modern technology. Can sit and marvel at these brilliant minds whenever i choose. Miss the Hitch, we need him more than ever.