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Why are Babylon 5 ships bigger than other scifi vessels? | Babylon 5 Short
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Why are Babylon 5 ships bigger than other scifi vessels?
Babylon 5's ships often appear larger compared to other sci-fi series due to the show's emphasis on realism and practicality. The series focuses on world-building and attention to detail, including the design and functionality of its spacecraft. The larger size of Babylon 5 ships allows for more diverse roles and capabilities, reflecting the complexity of their missions within the show's narrative. Additionally, the majority of the space within the ship is taken up by the vessel's engine and weapons. Overall, the size of Babylon 5 ships serves both narrative and practical purposes which enrich the storytelling experience of the series.
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Dont forget, most of the ships dont have shields, so they use heavy armor, which requires larger engines.
You’re right. I recall reading that the ships would have armored hulls that were several meters thick. Meters!
Correct, as I recall most of these ships had meters thick armor to combat the giant guns that were carried by the capital ships since shields didn't exists in this universe.
Also, pretty much all of the warships carried fighters. That means that they were the equivalent to current day aircraft carriers with equipment and spaces to support flight operations.
@@longshot7601 but our aircraft carriers have screening vessels to protect them.
@@peachesrambo4037 In B5 the ships tend to provide much of their own screens. This means there is a need for more fighters which means more space for flight operations.
B5 was more 'real' Sci-Fi then most other settings.
B5 was great. Only The Expanse was better in that regard. Too bad it was cancelled.
@@NoWonderDragon "Too bad it was cancelled"
Luckily we have the books unlike Firefly.
Besides their large sizes, these ships are the most colorful too.
“Babylon 5” had the most cutting edge “CGI” at that time and even until now, besides its great scripts and excellent story and character developments.
the coloring was even done so that the often quite flat textures especially in the first two seasons were disguised better.
One of the reasons is also that the main capital ships and even escorts may be out and patroling or fighting for months on end.
Also the lack of much hand wavium means more space. Also a lot of them were designed to move people as well as patrol.
The jump gate drives of the younger races were large and required large ships. Sheridan made the point that the White Stars were exceptions when he said the Shadows would not expect such a small ship to be jump-capable. There were many smaller ships, but they were limited to using jump gates, or following the larger ships into battle.
There are several reasons for the size of ships is Babylon 5. 1) With some exceptions they have no shields so have to rely on armor to absorb attacks and armor tends to be massive. 2) It can take several weeks to months to reach some destinations so they have to devote a good portion of the mass of the ship to storing supplies. 3) The FTL drive they use is a very power intensive beast. It needs massive amounts of power to open a jump point so they either need VERY advanced reactors(and Capacitors to store the power until they can build up enough charge to actually activate the jump drive) or have absolutely massive reactors and capacitor banks tied into the jump drive to use it. It was a plot point that the White Star was the SMALLEST ship able to independently jump.(Which is a ship bigger than a Nimitz class Supercarrier)
@@mikefish8226 None of the onscreen ships had anything like Star Trek bubble shields. In the lore though some of the more obscure races did have them(I think one was the Abbai, but they were pacifistic and their weapons didn't really measure up) Also the Minbari and Centauri in lore could project weak gravity fields out from the hull to weaken weapons fire hitting their hull(as a secondary effect of their gravitic drives they use for sublight.) With the Vorlons or Shadows they really went all in on their bio armor.(The Vorlons learned from each hit and adapted to reduce damage, and the Shadows had armor that dispersed the energy of a hit over the entire hull, reducing the weapons effects)
@@mikefish8226 Most of it is from background lore that was used for officially approved games and books that JMS stated were canon, so it's not surprising that you might not be familiar with them. As for the Shadows and Vorlons it's a combination of capabilities stated in the show(Vorlons) and Observed from the show(When the Vorlons destroy a Shadow ship you can observe waves of energy passing over the hull until it finally fails.
I know for star trek ship size can effect warp speed. In voyager they fought this ship so big that 7 of 9 said it could probably only do warp 7, so they noped right out of that fight. Also replication tech helps keep the size down.
Borg cubes are massive and consistently faster than Starfleet vessels though.
@@tarvoc746 well the Borg are known to use highly modular technology and are known to equip gravity plating on every part of the ship to act as shielding and to also warp space.
Because the Babylonian 5 show creators liked big ships, that's why.😆
There were lots of smaller ships we just do not see most of them. The necessity to keep production on time and in budget would have forced the show makers to put in what was necessary and some eye candy to fill out the world. Bigger ships are just more important, that and fighters especially since Babylon 5 depended on them for defense, scouting, and other reasons. But ships like the White Stars were smaller ships, so were some of the Vorlon, earth, and Centari transports. Again, I think a lot had to do with time and budget, and also computer power which was stretched to it's limits at the time the space visuals were made for this show.
Good show as it was back then 😊
Because, Because, Because how wonderful they are!
Personally I've always liked the lore version, which states that ships are complete and utter madness to build so whole planet can hope to build one or two if they're lucky. So ships are large, because they need all the components and supplies and they're few and far between, because cost to build one is gigantic :D
One of my absolute favourite moments in B5 was when President Clarke tried coming after Babylon 5 & her senior staff after human forces went up against human forces & reinforcements jumped to support Clarke's forces then the Minbari & Da'lean jumped in & told them to withdraw Babylon 5 was under Minbari protection they tried to argue 'negative Babylon 5 is under our authority you withdraw or we will open' for one of the coldest replies in sci-fi 'Why? Only one human has ever survived battle with the Minbari he is behind me you are infront if you value your lives be somewhere else' que the clip of earth force ships doing tighter turns then ever seen in the show jumping straight away from the combat zone it was electric one of those epic moments others try to live up to probably 'on your right' in end game came close
I've always liked the design of the Narn heavy cruiser. So cool looking.
The funny part is, you don't even realize often how BIG these ships are - until you remind yourself, that even the small White Star ships are 500m in length...
The Expanse walks in...
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Other than The Expense, B5 always had the most realistic ship design.
Loved B5 but always thought the scale was off between the diff ships and the station
Laughs in Battle Fleet Gothic
What about G’Kar’s final ship? Personally I liked it, as I saw it shaped like a falcon in a dive.
Tech in B5 was kinda primitive in comparison to other universes - a good example were the rotating sections on human ships to name one such thing.
*Points finger at Warhammer 40K* - Nope, your ships in B5 be small! In Warhammer even an escort vessel (like say a Sword-Class Frigate!) is bigger than many ships in B5...sure the Omega-Class is longer (1700 meters compared to 1600 meters), but the Sword has a lot more mass and in 40K it's considered a "dinky little ship" (they use those to hunt pirates, escort convoys etc.)...while a cruiser? Yeah, those are BIG! Several kilometers in length and massive! Hell, if you want to go really large: Ark Mechanicus or Imperial Battleships! Those are larger than the Babylon Stations!
the writer was compensating
Babylon 5 ships are large because they are city ships not battleships or carriers
Hey, they do have Battleships and stuff in the Babylon 5 universe as well! But yeah, they're also pretty massive as well, so...
I really wish we would have seen the destroyers get into the fight we saw the Earth destroyers come into the station but we never saw them fight we saw the narn destroyer show up when they attacked roguish 3 but we never got to see them fight I'm not sure why
Are they bigger than other SF ships?
Star Wars, Star Trek, Firefly, The Expanse, Battle Star Galactica ... those all seem to have ships in the same ballpark as Babylon 5.
Star Trek most bigger Ships have 500 m length in comparisson to a Ship in Babylon 5 who is often 1 or 2 km long
Definitely not big as Star Wars ship since most of the ship at least 1km long like Imperial II Star Destroyer
And everything going of to ridiculous started with SSD class
Well, Star Wars is in the same ballpark, when it comes to the size. But Star Trek ships are SMALL. The White Star, a SMALL ship in comparison to an Omega Class destroyer, is over 500m long. That's the length of an Excelsior Class ship and only 130m shy of a Galacy Class
@@COMPLAINS_NOT_CHANGE_ANYTHING the ISD is one MILE so 1.6km
It was also very early CGI.
B5 ships are alot smaller than other scifi shows.
Larger? Are any of the Crusiers in B5 actually significantly bigger then In Star Trek? They don't feel that way but I don;ty buy the Blue Prinyts so I can't be sure. Battlestar is not a good comparison as Battlestars are Huge
Smallest B5 ship is bigger then Galaxy class
The Enterprise D in Star Trek is only 641m and while the Battlestar is huge with the size of 1498m, the Earth Alliance Omega Destroyer in B5 is 1745m.
You are aware that this is not accurate from the creators apparently the largest ships in their fleet are 6 km how would that even compared to the largest Star wars vessels which measure 60 km
A star destroyer is 1.6km, the executor 19km (wookipedia). So in average, the Babylon 5 ships are bigger, and there are exeptions.
Also, from another universe, a Galaxy class in star trek has a crew of 1000 folk, whereas a Star Destroyer's crew complement is just under 28k.
@@hendrikmoons8218 Also an Earth Alliance destroyer can host much more than 1000 people, they had a whole invasion group on board just one destroyer.
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That's a good video for talking about space ship scale. Gives a good feeling of their sizes. I can only imagine how cool that'd be in VR :)
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Because so many Sci Fi people seem love unrealistically large ships. One of the best things about the original Star Trek series is the ships had a more realistic size to them. More like what a real vessel would be like.
Start trek is the least realistic popular sci-fi setting. It’s full borderline ridiculous technologies that exist only to justify real world budget constraints. Like transporter or replicators, or shields and “structural integrity fields”. Or panels made from rocks and explodioum.
Any realistically feasible interstellar space ship will be just enormous, because energy requirements for interstellar travel are enormous. Funnies thing - trekies contatantly associates bigger ship size with better tech level, which is just plain stupid.
So... basically Babylon 5 has ships that are at about the same level of realism as Star Trek, Andromeda, Farscape, or Star Wars...
Yes, it's highly realistic that interstellar travelling species have BIG ships. Because they need them, for the energy production facilities, the crew that needs to be on board, for the fighter jets, for the hydroponic units etc. You can even see, that BIG means "not much evolved", as the ships get smaller, the more advanced they are (a shadow ship or a White Star are much smaller). And that's quite realistic, normally you first need to build big to achieve your goals and then you start to miniaturize. The first computers were big monsters, while needing seconds to multiply 2 times 2. Nowadays you have a computer in your pocket.
You are wrong. Out of universe reason is, that showrunners had small wieners so they were compensating. In-universe explanation is primitive technology of all major races, so they were bad in miniaturization. For example if you do not have artifical gravity generator, you need to have centrifugal force generator. And practical minimum diameter for such generator is half a kilometer.
And real explanation is simple insuficient VFX budget. Because of that, they rely on CGI. But CGI then was pathetic, so no details were possible. And when you have huge ships, details are somewhat blurry if you have in view whole ship.
YOU ARE TALKING BULLSHIT B
5 itself is 5 miles long A Star wars Destroyer is over 10 miles
A star destroyer is a mile long not including height. A super star destroyer is close to 5 miles or bigger. And the biggest ship in star wars is is 10 miles or more