THE SANDMAN 1x4 "A Hope in Hell" Reaction!
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- The Netflix adaptation of Neil Gaiman's epic "The Sandman" is finally here. Tom Sturridge plays the eponymous Sandman (aka Dream aka Morpheus) and is joined by a stellar cast to give life to the DC graphic novel. This episode also stars Gwendoline Christie (Game of Thrones), Patton Oswalt, Sarah Niles and David Thewlis (Harry Potter). What do you guys think of this episode and the show so far?
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The oldest game is like a rap battle. As Morpheus explains in the comics, you lose by losing the timing to answer, or not giving an answer creative enough to beat the other
we call it "playing the dozens
Rap battles are copied from this
Mire like a rpg
"The Endless are not to be seen as gods, for gods need to be believed in to exist, The Endless will continue existing whether we believe in them or not, for they are The Endless." Gaiman.
I love the fact that Lucifers wings are 100% practical when they're folded up on Gwendolines back. Also all her costumes were designed by her partner.
They are not. They have a practical version of the wings, but its animated with CG. Not 100% practical.
@@rahulahl Neil Gaiman broke down the trailer for Vanity Fair and said the wings were CGI augmented when moving but they are practical sitting on her back
They’re not 100% practical, there’s definitely some cgi touches. Neil Gaiman himself said that they were not 100% practical.
I love how everyone correct Jordan here is missing the "...when they're folded up on Gwendolines back."
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imagine how heavy they are tho lol
I don't think it's so much that nothing can kill hope, it's more than Lucifer hopes for freedom and wasn't willing to fathom losing hope
True. Lucifer still had hope of coming back to heaven. It made sense that Lucifer didn't know what could kill hope
And that's why it's unkillable , it's a paradox, if we think this way, The entity which is considered the culmination of darkness , end of anything positive or lively , stills keeps a small space inside as restore point called hope then who can kill the hope if lucifer couldn't.
You can see it in her face. So good!
The question was “What can survive anti-life?”. Morpheus won because he chose Superman.
My theory is that what kills hope is Despair, and Lucifer seems to know the answer while looking unable to reply, because becoming Despair would either make it a paradox or (since Lucifer biggest sin is known to be pride and vanity) making it unbeareable for the Lightbringer to become Despair, as Despair appears later to be the contrary of what Lucifer would call beautiful
“I thought he was gonna pull out something that would explode her face”
As did I. Cuz in the comics John actually shoots Rosemary after she drops him off so him giving her the amulet of protection was actually a neat twist for me. That’s something I’ve been enjoying about the show so far, even though it sticks pretty close to the source material there’s just enough differences to make the story new and engaging
Anti-life is always what Darkseid is after, and the Justice League and Superman are the hope. It's a running theme throughout DC :) ... I loved this episode
and superman ends up defeating darkseid that was using the anti life in final crisis because he would not give up hoping that he would save everyone
N they have it in games
I personally theorize that Lucifer conceded because we see that the contestants experience the attack as if it were actually happening. That was probably the first time Lucifer had experienced Hope in a long time and the thought of killing that hope was more than they could bear.
For the record, “I am Despair, the death of hope.”
Despair only equals hope, that move would have been a stalemate. There are many ways to lose the Oldest Game, and one of them is lack of imagination. But as you said, Lucifer was unwilling to counter hope in any event, and that's the real key to winning the game. Learning your opponent. Learning their limits. Lucifer is the most hopeful creature in all of creation.
Thanks for explaining. ♥️
Even if Lucifer can think of a move to kill hope, Lucifer dosnt want to do it because the hope that God, the imprisonment, fate can be beaten is what keeps Lucifer going, Lucifer wont be able to confidently and truly deny something so core to them, Morpheus essentially walks up to Lucifer's face and dares them to call hope bullshit and MEAN IT, and Lucifer knows they cant/wont do that
In comics Lucifer's hope is to be free from God's Plan and have true free will.
Lucifer doesn't want to destroy hope cause it would mean their efforts are pointless so they conceded.
@@JayStorm199 That motive comes from the Mike Carey Lucifer comic, which is a spin-off of Neil Gaiman's Sandman, but dramatically recharacterizes Lucifer himself in its run. Gaiman's Lucifer and Carey's Lucifer have very different demeanours and it's hard to say whether they have the same motivations as well.
David Thewlis gets like 5 minutes of screen time in The Big Lebowski and he’s one of the highlights of the film, for me. Dude is incredible.
If you haven't seen the Mike Leigh classic "Naked", you really should. He's absolutely charismatic and ruthless in it.
Referring to Thewlis as "Dude" with reference to The Big Lebowski is a bit a confusing :). That being said, dude did exude a strong John Waters sort of vibe. He's awesome. His run on season 3 of Fargo is brilliant and incredibly chilling.
He deserves emmy noms
I’ll also recommend looking for the short film ‘The Short and Curlies’ from Mike Leigh in which a very young David Thewlis tries to win over a girl using nothing but one-liners. You can find it here on RUclips.
@@thelastshogun3913 one of my favourite ever films. Rather funny seeing as I'm friends with a very close friend of David's and have been at certain places like film premieres and theatre parties with them both. One of the most friendly and interesting guys I've ever met.
Gwendoline Christie is amazing as Lucifer Morningstar. She gives Lucifer this sense of regality and supreme authority that sadly we didn’t get much of in the Lucifer show. And the fact that the walls of hell are made of damned souls is so creepy but awesome at the same time. Plus the “duel” between them was like nothing I’ve ever seen before.
I do wish we had gotten Tom Ellis and Lesley Anne-Brandt back as Lucifer and Mazikeen respectively because they were so perfectly cast before, and Neil Gaiman especially loved Tom as Lucifer, but I’m still happy we have who we have. It’s like exchanging a Lamborghini for a Ferrari.
If you liked the duel between Lucifer and Morpheus you should watch Legion. It has a lot of psychic battles like this, and its better imo.
Nah she didn't doa good job
Comic look is far more iconic
@@ethanchandler2390 yeah, Legion is extremely worth watching if you like Dream v Lucifer battle this episode
Someone said in the comment section of his videos that this writers version of hell has the walls and trees made up of people which show their Eternal suffering. Also, though I love Tom Ellis as lucifer, that show, was a let down to the comics and I hate how he was stupid in the series compared to his comic counterpart, weak, lack authority and a joke of a man child. Its unfair to compare the actors because what she did here, was better than the whole lucifer series
"“And what will you be then, Dreamlord?”
*“I am hope.”*
All at once, everything changed. The barroom that was the plains of hell fell dead silent, and wide eyes stared from every corner. From the lowliest imp to the demon kings, everyone was stunned and left staring at the man who’d brought *Hope* into *Hell."* - Fear by Ryuugi
In the comics Dream didn't fight any demons in the crowd, Dream just pulled the sand pouch and the sand led them through the crowd to Choronzon so I don't think it was a budget problem cuz I honestly was waiting for the epic poetry battle 😆
Instead of having to fight Choronzon Dream fought Lucifer which was an amazing choice
Next episode is gonna be insane
Can't wait till the next video✨
funny you say that he has a Robert Pattinson look because Robert is his best friend and even the godfather of his sister's kids. they went to school together. it's also funny how there are a lot of old Robert Pattinson photos throughout the year where we can see tom in the background
Oh wow! And I thought they had a similar vibe too!
and funnily enough they told him to stop sounding like Batman when filming which of course Robert played recently.
Tom and Rob were roommates before together with Eddie Redmayne, Jamie Dornan and Andrew Garfield.
@@kenjiegarbal2153 and Charlie Cox (Daredevil) too I think!
@@ayaehab Ah yes. Charlie Cox as well.
You should have added the field sequence where Dream and Mathew walking on the field with cross in it and fire on the sky. It's so beautiful ♥️
Lucifer's mythology is confusing but very interesting.
Originally, Satan, the Devil, the snake in the garden, and the first fallen angel, a Watcher called Azazel were all separate and very distinct entities. When Christianity became a thing, Azazel's mythology being very similar to that of the greek god Phosphorus was absorbed with it. Phosphorous was the morning star aka the light bringer. Phosphorus translated to Latin then to English, gives us “Lucifer”. as such phosphorus's mythology was absorbed into that of Azazel. the Azazel name got less popular and then all demon-like similar characters were also absorbed. so Satan=devil=scapegoat azazel=Lucifer.
Azazel was originally chained under the earth in Sheol. But later when he became Lucifer he isn't just imprisoned there he now rules Sheol, which was now called Hell after the Norse goddess of the underworld Hel. The Greek god of the underworld Hades was also used as the name for Hell from time to time.
What's interesting is that DC comics separated Lucifer and Azazel. Azazel became the first of the fallen (his name didn't transfer). which is historically true. and Lucifer became associated more with Samael. (only because he challenges god in the bible)
Edit: also Angels are supposed to be male like God is male. in Catholic mythology. They are however represented as androgynous in multiple fictional stories
Its interesting you say Angel's are always male, if you actually read the ancient biblical writings and read up on the Jewish theology which eventually made up the old testament and also the gnostic texts you would see that many Angel's are actually utterly bizarre creatures depicted as amalgamations of various animals birds and even some represented by inanimate objects such as burning wheels spitting fire and lightning.
Some Angel's are depicted as having up to four faces with limbs of metal and flesh and the visage of both humans and animals and some are strange fiery balls of eyes with multiple wings.
@@simonorourke4465 they are called by masculine name however.
And the names for the types of angels like Searphim is masculine form of the word.
@@simonorourke4465 but the hierarchy of angels exists in both Christianity and Judaism? The higher above, the more human they looked, and the lesser they were, the more they looked like the versions you’re saying…?
The origin of Lucifer in the christian tradition is not entirely clear though, the Morningstar is a babylonian and jewish concept originally where Helel (Babylon), the Morningstar, tries to outshine the sun (Israel) but is cast down for his hubris, every day. It's deeply connected to the relationship between Israel and Babylon who share a violent history. The concept of Lucifer wasn't evil in itself, there is even early christians that were baptized Lucifer until some interpreted the story of the King of Babylon in the bible as a fallen Angel and therefore as Satan, only then became Lucifer = devil.
It's all very confusing stuff and nothing is really clear because early christianity is an amalgamtion of Jewdom, mesopotamic paganism, greek/roman mythology and germanic mythology.
@@DieGoetterdaemmerung oh no it is very clear. The Babylonians (Babel, not Helel) were the first and best true astronomers in history. They were the first to noice the wandering stars, aka seven classical planets. These seven planets influenced the invention of the seven day week. They also noticed that one of those planets, Venus would rise before the sun sometimes of the year (morning star) or rise then set early in the night (evening star). As the morning star, it seemed like Venus was trying to take the place of the sun but was outshone by the sun. Then as the evening star it would only rise a third of the way up in the sky before setting prematurely. This influenced a Babylonian myth where one god tried to take the place of another before being cast out of heaven, sometimes with a 1/3 of the heavenly beings who helped him.
When the Israelites were enslaved by the Babylonians. They learned of and adopted not only the seven day week into their mythology they also learned the concept of the morning star. It also spread through other parts of the world including Greece. In Hebrew mythology the angel Azazel was created as a direct result of the Babylonian myth. In Greece the god Phosphorus was created. During Christianity the similarities between the too was too much to ignore and this the Greek god Phosphorus (Lucifer) was Syncretized with the watcher Angel morning star proxy in Hebrew mythology, Azazel.
Some time after the Babylonian captivity and before the invention of Lucifer, the Israelites did start referring to Babylon as a morning star in a sense. Because of how powerful it once was then collapsing, thus demonizing The entire culture till this day.
fun fact: rob pattinson and tom sturridge are actually best friends, and they both are now in the DC universe and both projects have been successful and i'm just so proud of them! this show is phenomenal, probably the most brilliant show ive watched in a very long time.
The Oldest Game is based on avatars of gods fighting in some mythologies. Can't say which though. Using Hope is such a good move though because even Lucifer has it. That Hell place is a Vatican City model, right? I loved whatever was shown but I understand what you mean. They have dialed down a lot of horror, grotesque and nihilistic aspects of the comics. A lot for censorship or whatever and perhaps, to give a different effect and I like to think, Mr. Gaiman wants to give a more hopeful story now.
no it isn't based on any such thing
Yes, it's a version of the Vatican.
is this game in anything else? i feel like ive seen it before
The "...I am hope" and "... What power does hell have..." were my favourite lines from the comics. The latter seems like an insult to Lucifer, and a reminder that he can't escape the influence of God or heaven, even in his own Kingdom. In a way Lucifer had no agency (or power) beyond what is allowed by God. No wonder he abandons hell.
When he said "I am a world" I actually thought he meant like the hierarchy / cycle of life when bacteria dies so other things can grow etc...
I love Gwendolin's Lucifer so much she is so good
Episode 5 is the hardest episode to watch. what a great show .
I screamed a couple of times. I loved it.
@@itss_nattyj why tho
In the show they don’t choose champions, both challengers fight. They changed things in the show to add tension between dream and lucifer.
"Man Jokes" Don't quit your day job Jaby because you might lose both with that bad "Man Joke"
Fan fact: The reason Morpheus chose 'hope' is because he knew that when Lucifer was an angel, he/she brought light and hope to the darkest of times, so Lucifer, The Devil, decided out of shear pride and vanity that nothing could kill hope.
That change of him sparing her and giving her the amulet was a deliberate change in the story because they wanted the viewers who'd read the comics to understand that the story in the show would be different and that you fundamentally could not rely on knowledge of the books to get you through it. I'm very happy with that particular change.
No, there is one thing that kills hope but Lucifer couldn't invoke it without opening a whole can of worms by pitting one of the Endless against another. Lucifer didn't want to have anything to do with something so potentially disastrous just to allow one of her demons to keep one of Dream's tools, which at the end of the day is rightfully his. As they said, there's rules and protocols to follow.
Are you talking about Dispair?
What would that one thing be?
@@scailliet despair, dream's younger sibling.
This story is one of my favorite ones in the Sandman. Even before studying Theology I was already familiar with the Theological virtues of Faith Hope and Charity as the only three things that will last in this world according to St. Paul. I appreciate Neil Geiman for portraying Hope through the conflict of the game. That Hope overcomes all, even death or anti-life. Hope by definition is the yearning or dreaming of heaven. God has given us the capacity to dream or Hope for what us good despite all odds, I believe history has shown that with Hope humanity can be restored, resurrected, renewed, grow and change for the Better and points to a life everlasting.
in the comics john actually killed her in stead of giving her the ammulet
It made a great twist for comics readers.
"Rosemary...Your husband, Harry. Is he really a mafia hitman?"
"Harry? God, no--- Harry's a High School teacher."
"Well, i dont suppose it would have made any difference either way."
*BAM*
One of most beautiful and Best episode in this series ♥️.
episodes 5 and 6 are better
The swedish actor Peter Stormare portrayed Lucifer in Constantine.
You've been impressed by Lucifer ?? Wait till you see Dreams' sibling Desire !! The whole casting of this show is bang on stunning !! ♥️🔥
dude, honestly... it's even a crime for people to compare tom ellis's lucifer and gwendoline's lucifer... what this woman did in 1 episode, was better than all seasons of tom ellis's lucifer..
Her Lucifer Morningstar became something much more serious, dark & you felt her authority not just through the major height deference and stature but her subtle performance of playfulness, intimidation, and regality. The other looks more like a Hollywood comedian( but, I do think that was the point, his lucifer is essentially a parody to the comics, I would've love to see his performancehad he been casted for the sandman, but after WATCHING the sandman, I can't imagine the role given to anyone else to play a comic accurate Lucifer Morningstar)
Seeing what the original Lucifer in DC/Vertigo looks like, Ellis would've looked entirely out of place.
@@ShadowyFox_86 right?!
The tone is also soo different and his version is a parody of the character tbh
Dire wolves were a real prehistoric wolf that modern wolves descend from actually.
not always about attacking/offense, its about defense as well. and its not about defeating lucifer but what she throws at you. so in the example you gave: the world. you are looking at that in a vacuum instead of taking in the context in which it was used and the words he said describing what a world is/does. before turning into a world, dream was struck with a bacteria aka dying bka poison. he became a world "all surrounding, healing, life giving" and healed himself of the bacteria. its not always about the sword jaby
Cringe “joke” guy. Grow up. She’s literally rolling her eyes at you due to embarrassment.
During the duel between them the morning star was more on the offence and the sandman was playing defence from half way through until the last play.
Tom and Robert are best friends. They also were in LA together with Eddie Redmayne, Jamie Dornan, Charlie Cox and Andrew Garfield. This was right around when Robert got Twilight.
Ahh, the gritted teeth of smiling next to someone, you're slowly starting to dislike.....
i dont understand lol
9:56 may not make sense, but I believe 'failure' kills hope, and Lucifer just don't wanna say 'I am a failure', cause him failing in his rebellion is what confided him to the hell...
Doubt kills hope…
No it doesn't. It may severely reduce it but it'd never be able to outright kill it.
Dungeons and Dragons of the Endless. btw ( if it wasn't clear for anyone) Lucifer has hope to go to the heaven one day, Lucifer dreams of heaven.
The interesting thing about giving her the protection amulet is that while it seems like a gift now it will be a curse later. What is she going to do when she sees her daughters getting old? Will she sacrifice herself for them? If she does she will have to choose which daughter to give it to knowing that the other will die.
You guys do understand that hope is Superman and why Superman is so powerful in DC universe.
My first thought seeing the dog was" they better not kill that dog"
OOOF THE WOMAN COMMENT.
awkwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard
As a Swede I feel compelled to relocate Peter Stormare who portray's the devil in Constantine.. though he has certainly played a Russian he is in fact Swedish.
What you have to remember, Achara is that you listened to an audio book and had certain pictures in your head but this was a Comic book/Graphic novel and those images exist. Mazikeen, the "pretty demon " looks almost identical to the comic version.
This isn't something they could just choose to interpret their own way when there were actual comic panels to recreate that fans have been dying to see for over 30 years.
They did tone her down a little bit but still very comic accurate. Some of the panels show really advanced decay that would be a bit gratuitous in a live action format.
they did a similar battle in the anime "no game no life" and i swear i saw it in a comic some where
The scenes in reality in the car were WAAAAY scarier than the scenes in literal Hell...
Another Lucifer you may like is from the Netflix series - Lucifer. It's an entirely different take, and Tom Ellis is spectacular as Lucifer.
It's funny because it's both an entirely different take, and also technically the exact same character - ie not just Lucifer but the actual same Lucifer Morningstar from DC Comics.
@@KillahMate Lucifer has the ability to shape shift he is beyond human beings and gods
Since I've seen lucifer starring tom ellis, and since both are DC, i was somewhere expecting a cameo...or at the least lucifer to be a male character, but i think what they did with the character was pretty good and works for the plot
Its interesting to me that the damned become part of Hell’s landscape and architecture - it’s literally made of them. As Sartre said, Hell is other people.
The duel reminds me of The Sword and the Stone cartoon.
I think it isn't that nothing kills hope but rather Lucifer couldn't bring herself to look for a way to kill hope.
Exactly my thoughts. When he asked, “What power would hell have if those here imprisoned were not able to dream of heaven?”, he was talking about her, because he knows a part of her longs to return home.
There are many theory regarding hope thing. Many believe that it's whether Lucifer can't bring themselve to kill it cuz, they still hope to be free from God influence and return. So to kill hope mean kill the very thing that keep them going. Some said to kill hope was despair and that is the domain of Dream sister, and we knew that dream stronger than her, or despair can only tie against hope so they can't beat it. And some like you said nothing can kill hope, or Lucifer can't really conjure any comcept that can kill hope and many more.
I'm pretty sure that if we get a second season, the imagery you're looking for would be explored in Season of Mists.
The fifth episode is my favourite one can't wait for you to see it.
Wow, Jaby.
I AM that I AM...in their battle, they spoke thee I Am into existence...
in the comics/audiobooks, Dream doesn't fight demons, he walks among them with his sand and the sand guides him to the demon! so the sand always played a role there
The writers did their research really well. In real life the only person to defeat Lucifer in hell and made a spectacle of him was Jesus, when he descended into hell to take the keys of permanent death. Very important messages in this and one thing for sure hell and heaven are real and death is not the end.
I love this episode, it is my favorite out of all episodes following episode 6 :)
I agree with @Cobbsta comment that the whole idea is not so much as just that you cannot kill hope, I believe there is a double meaning behind it all.
It is close to what @Charles Barrientos said in his comment about Lucifer holding onto hope of one day returning to heaven, but lets not forget that while they battle and transform/conjure they feel whatever the other conjures so when Dream said he is hope he made Lucifer feel that hope, making it so much harder to try and best Dream since you cannot kill hope nor Lucifer wanted to do it in that moment. Also that hope that Lucifer now felt even more feeds into the dream of returning to heaven, thus the sad and painful expression on Lucifers face later on. I would even go deeper to say that without the dream of heaven Lucifer would not have hope and vice versa without hope Lucifer would not dream of heaven. So in that moment I felt like Dream is slightly threatening Lucifer by saying he can take away that dream.
So the reason his only answer was Hope, was because Lucifer used the Anti-Life Equation. The ALE is something that in the DC universe can end beings like the Endless siblings and deities.
I love each and every episode. The next one is a changeup and I like that.
Every episode just keep getting better and better
Mazikean kind of looks sad. It's like she doesn't want to be in he'll doing what she has to do but at the same time she has to do what she has to do because it's her fate
Hope is very powerful…😎❤️
In my country we have a proverb wich says "hope its the last to die" and its true.
Thank you brother
The oldest game is just about one-upping your enemy. So for example his non threatening "I am a world. Space-floating, life-nurturing." That beats the butcher bacterium. Because the butcher bacterium cannot kill a world. Likewise "A Nova" can do little to a universe. Minor inconvenience, really.
Imagine if the casted the actual Lucifer actor to play the lucifer here!
Edit: Gwendolin is doing a great job, it's just that since I have seen the "Lucifer" it's a little harder to imagine someone else as him!
Tom Ellis was great but his character wasn't anything like the comic counterpart and Gwendoline's just fits better here
He was supposed to, even Matt Ryan's Constantine, which is why he had left Legends of Tomorrow, as that character, so that he could show up here but there were some issues, and Lucifer had just ended too, you know how DC is weird about their characters, the only exception they made was during Crisis on Infinite Earths
Would be awful, lucifer in the show its not even the same character anymore, too much change
I mean, Gwendoline Christie kicked the absolute crap out of him…?
Naaa she is better to play this version of luciferr
Sandman: "I'm Hope"
Me: I'm reality... bada boom, I win.
Again, like so many others, I was VERY skeptical of the casting choice of Gwendoline as Lucifer due to SO many male iterations over the years. But DAMN!!! She absolutely crushes it. Probably the most unique and memorable takes on Lucifer Morningstar
I'd check out the comics, since Gaiman is responsible for this version of Lucifer getting a spin off comic. Gaiman has also joked that they couldn't get the original inspiration for the character's look (David Bowie), so Gwendoline was always going to be their choice.
I vastly preferred Rosemary's fate here in the show compared to the comics, in the comics they chat and get along well just the same but he suddenly shoots her for senseless shock value. It was miserable.
You didnt expected jhon kindness and the reason his you didnt understand rose marys one , everyone assume she was crazy , if you think about it she had the most human reaction since she met jhon .
People dont trust because they have a flawed vision of life .
People usually are not good cause they are selfish , rosemary is not .
In the DC universe, at least two things can "kill" hope, one is The Creator (which is the equivalent of God) and Despair (which is Morpheus's sister). The thing is, and why she is so annoyed with it, is that Lucifer herself hopes to dethrone God from heaven, so her reaction is not about the bitter taste of having no answer for it, but the annoyance of not being able to say it since it would kill her own dream.
Jaby, the fact that you may win the battle was hilarious. Just hope you don't pay for that hypothetical win. (: )) Ballsy!
Dream realized he could never beat Lucifer by attacking, the opponent experiences the blow of whatever you come up with and Lucifer could basically survive anything. Plus Lucifer really is the Beast of Judgment in DC. Also taking the form of a supernova was a great nod to Lucifer's role as the Lightbringer.
Dream's whole plan was to bait Lucifer into that exact ending. Firstly, it makes Lucifer experience hope, but also having hope in the face of the worst Lucifer could bring means there are no more moves. The funny thing is, the easy answer is "I am despair" but when we meet Despair of the Endless later, she actually defines hope just as Death defines life and Dream defines reality. There was no move left, at least not one Lucifer could/would see.
Dude you completely missed the point of the battle between Lucifer and Dream!! It was a conceptual battle between entities/deities/immortals that are beyond the definition of being gods. As it was stated in the beginning of this series by Corinthian I think it was who said: *THE ENDLESS* are beyond gods, they are the very idea & embodiment of those aspects in which they portray. If you look at the DCU Multiverse Map, you'll see that *THE ENDLESS* are right in line with beings like Lucifer but that doesn't make entities like Lucifer superior. Because although Heaven, Hell, New Genesis, Apokolips are in the same realm, the lore of *THE ENDLESS* says they exist beyond time and space. Dream actually has two realms: _Dream & Nightmare_ and if you look at the very top of the map, the one who controls everything, who is everything, who has created everything, who knows everything, who is above everything and everyone is an *_ENDLESS:.....DESTINY!!_* This video on who *_THE ENDLESS_* are will help enlighten you: ruclips.net/video/5ATxT1MUZE8/видео.html
Think of it like this, even the gods like Zeus, Ra, Odin etc. all have dreams, all of them have desires & despair, even with their extended life span....eventually they die. *The Endless* are the very personification of those concepts, they are beyond anything that limits their abilities. They are all encompassing, they are the beginning but have no end. Now regarding Lucifer, this is where the show kind of gets it wrong, which Neil Gaiman should have stepped in and said "hold on, wait a minute that's not correct". In this episode the show writers have Dream tell us that Lucifer is far more powerful than he is, which is if *THE ENDLESS* are the personification of these concepts than they should be far more powerful than Lucifer, who was banished from Heaven by God who is far more powerful than Lucifer but in the DCU God is not the all powerful. So you see where I'm going with this? Can you imagine if these two beings actually fought a hand to hand battle with powers included? Just like Goku & Lord Beerus in *Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods* as they began to fight with all their power the entire universe begins to feel the effects of said fight. So as described by the demon Corazon at: 8:39 the battle in which they partake is the oldest of games/contests, it consist of: _skill, confidence & transformation_ I believe this contest was created eons & eons ago by *The Endless* and other deities so that if a battle did ensue, they wouldn't take the whole damn universe down with them. And you saw in this episode which is not depicted in this edited reaction, Lucifer sets the meter of the _game/contest/battle._ Meaning he/she tells his/her opponent what he/she is and gives two descriptions of what that thing is. For instance Lucifer says they are: *_A SERPANT: Horse-Biting, Poison-Toothed,_* then Lucifer retorts with: *_I AM A BIRD OF PREY: Snake-Devouring, Talons-Ripping!_* Get it? Lucifer could have started out given more than 2 descriptions, but I think the meter of 2 descriptions is just enough to keep us on the edge of our seats to try and guess what could have been added and also to see what can trump the others blow. This was by far my favorite episode.
So, please look at the video I shared in this comment regarding *THE ENDLESS* the guy in it does a wonderful job depicting who they are. ruclips.net/video/5ATxT1MUZE8/видео.html
The best way I've seen it described is that while Lucifer may be more powerful than Dream in a direct sense, Lucifer is lesser than the Endless in a "we exist as long as our concept exists" sense.
Loving the show rn. You're reactions are really fun to watch. Who's your favourite character so far? The actor in Constantine who played Satan was Peter Stormare
I love that there's calling Dream out for having Robert Pattinson hair, when it's really inspired by Robert Smith and Gaiman's own hair.
I suspect that the reason "Hope" defeated Lucifer is that Lucifer has nothing to exist for except hope... hope of somehow changing their state and regaining their position, or of moving on to something better than custodian of Hell. Lucifer didn't want to imagine something that could destroy hope.
What destroys hope? Hopelessness, fear, anxiety, depression.
You realise why Lucifer can't use those things right.
Not yet
hope is countering everything of those. the game is not looking for something that prevents the previous animal, thing or concept, it looks for something that counters them. If hope exists, then you can make it through everything of those.
You may be afraid, anxious and depressed., but you can still get by if you have hope.
What about suicide?
I was actually expecting Tom Ellis to return and play the Lucifer 😭
It's time for 24/7
When you guys finish reacting and uploading all the sandman eps, id love for you guys to react to neil gaiman's interview with netflix and his reaction/thoughts on the trailer, if you guys havent seen that interview yet
When i ´ve seen the scene where the old lady ask if he needs a second rides? I ask myself what if it was the ruby’s power 🤔🤔
10:33 Oh gotta love the casual misogyny under the disguise of "being funny". Do you see her laughing?
Next episode will blow ur minds
I think hope isnt most powerful but Lucifer has hope that one day he will take on heaven so thats why he is hesitant to defeat Morpheus
I’m sure Ted Lasso fans out there were on the edge of their seat during the Rosemary scenes. The entire time I was like “do not hurt Doctor Sharon!!”
EDIT: I just watched the next episode (24/7) and I can’t wait for Jaby and Achara’s reaction. Ooohhhweee! I felt like I was watching a completely different show and it was great.
There was a similar fight (even more spectacular) in "No Game No Life" the fight with librarian scene.
Why shouldn't he play to his strength? He only had the sandbag at that moment.
i could have sworn ive seen this game in media somewhere before, maybe inspired by the comics
It's also in Disney's Sword In the Stone.
I remember my first introduction to David Thewlis in 'Dragonheart', and I hated his character. The HP appearance was kind of a shock to me because I had liked Moony in the book. It took me a minute after his first scene to realize that in both cases I had straightaway looked at him as a character rather than as a real person... he is that good.
As others have commented here, I'd have preferred to see Tom Ellis back as Lucifer, but Gwendolyn Christie was a good alternative.
Also, Tom Sturridge does have that Robert Pattinson look from the Twilight series. He certainly seems to have the gravitas down pat.
Jaby showing his misogynistic side again, cringe af.
Achara is gonna punch him on-camera one of these days
This show just hooks you in.
This was nice true but it is the same DC Lucifer from Constantine although my favorite version was Tom Ellis in "Lucifer" which I recommend and would increase your fan base. Also hope didn't strike Lucifer down because it's unkillable, she set it up earlier when she said "he was nothing without his tools" so he asked her to kill her tool, hope is one hell of a torture device.
Well Robert and Tom are childhood friends, they both studied in same school.
20:21 - the single most consistent aspect of the Netflix Adaptation is that they've stripped basically 99% of the comics horror content out COMPLETELY; probably to ensure that the show has broader appeal.
A great deal of the comics original horror content DID survive into the audio play.
I don't think losing the horror content hurts the show, but it is definitely a missing component and that they've toned it all done to be something that's more in the vein of "dark fantasy" with splashes of violence certainly makes the show a very different beast.
Gaiman actually has addressed the reduction in graphic horror of the show. The short version is he felt he'd been heavy handed in the comics with it and had he written it now, a lot of the comics would be closer to this. There's still plenty of horror, just not as much gore (which gets gratuitous after a point).
Legend is one of my favorite movies! Lol so glad it was referenced.
I grew up loving that story, and then got into D&D/RPG type stories in media. Games for sure, and anime, cause it's easier to show fantasy like worlds in that medium. But some movies and shows do it good too. Cant wait for that new movie coming out ❤ also referenced an older one, that had a Wayans brother and that actress from Hocus Pocus grown up; the one that played the sister to the protag.
I think the oldest game is my favorite part of this whole season
He said world and there were only plants because Lucifer said butcher bacterium that'll kill anything warm blooded , there are not warm blooded animals but they just showed grass to show life
these voice wtf!?😲 very cool!🤯