Tupac Was Not A Good Rapper (?)
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Discussing T-Pain's recent stance on Tupac as a rapper.
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"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world."
-Tupac
*YAWN* 🥱 Did it work? NOPE
@@Iknowyoumadnow *yawn* it actually did. There were many works of art inspired by Tupac that made major impacts on our lyricists and music as a whole today. Not only that but it even goes as far as people switching up their views due to his storytellin.
@@bueflame360 To pimp a butterfly is one of them
@@Iknowyoumadnow It DID work.
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It was the total package, it was the sum of him that made Tupac so unique. His poetry, his message, his depth, his unique atmosphere creation ability, his Martin Luther King-esque delivery, his emotions, his charisma, his aura, his handsomeness, his attitude, his biography, family background and also his demise. All those factors made Pac not only a legendary rapper, but also a legendary person period. I'm not the biggest Pac fan in the world, but sometimes when I think of him, I got this weird image of him in my mind, envisioning him in a past time in Africa: dude would've been a warrior-king like shakazulu or some sht with that aura and self confidence. Might sound corny but that's how it is.
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@@smavi4133 bro i loved this comment and agree 100% haha. corny or not, you are bang on. it wasnt one thing about pac, it was everything. dude was genuinely a once in a life time sort of person, a true warrior and king
Cringe trying to compare him to MLK
Him as a character added to him being a legendary artist
If we're talking about pure technical lyricism, music aside... then sure I think there are rappers that would beat Pac in that aspect... but when it comes to the artistry, the story telling, the emotion, impact and everything else then that's a very different discussion
Thank u someone that can differentiate the two
Yup
I think only pac naz slick rick lil wayne and j cole would be in that kinda category theres a few more but the list is short
The two things definitely are mutually exclusive
Lyricism is the expression of emotion, technical ability is what people use to describe Eminem as a top lyricist.
But yeah, I’ve always said pac isn’t worth studying when it comes to technical ability.
Pac wasn't trying to be mister lyrical, he was rapping from the heart and oftentimes was rapping about real life situations (Brenda's Got A Baby was a real event that Pac read about in a newspaper for example). Pac is definitely a great rapper in my eyes
He freestyles most of his songs. He made his album "All eyez on me" in 2 weeks. I don't see any other rapper making an album like that in 2 weeks.
In his song Me against the world, he has pretty good lyricism in there too, you’re definitely right tho, if he tried to be a master lyricist, I think he could’ve been pretty good, I’ve heard a few verses from him where I was a little surprised at his versatility
@@classic-vw4ed Jay z, Lil Wayne.
Feeling and relatability has nothing to do with pure rapping skill
You can make some heartfelt shit but then get barred to death in a cypher
These 2Pac fanboys dont get that
These days youre not allowed to have a different viewpoint on him its toxic
@@allaboutthemurzic i agree with you homie
Tupac wrote songs that had true depth and meaning. His lyrics moved people. When you listen to "Dear Mama" that almost brings tears to people's eyes. I cannot think of any rapper who is capable of doing what Pac did.
Dmx has that effect too
xxxtentacion better
u must not never heard of Lil Xan, im crying only by looking at him...
kodak
😑😑😑😑 listen to more music mate
2pac spoke from heart that’s why people love him for being real.
Saying Tupac was real is like saying McDonald’s is gourmet
@@-whyquestion nah
@@Jaypc06 you a lil ash boy 😂😂
@@BeenALongWait you have poor grammar, and considering the way you type and think Tupac was real im pretty sure you weren’t even alive when he was around.
@@Jaypc06 he was 💀have u not seen him in a movie with MJ’s sister 🤦🏽♀️
Hip hop isn't all about lyricism. Its about passion, hype, vibe, flow, storytelling and plain old having fun. It's like saying singing is all about hitting perfect notes or boxing is all about punching hard. As a hip hop fan I've never seen Hip-Hop in such a shallow way.
I agree with you. For me, when you compare rap to boxing. The lyrically gifted of the rap world would fall under tecenically gifted fighters like mayweather or haney, lennox Lewis
And the ones who arent that lyrically talented but manage to move the crowd would be compared to wilder, or, goerge Foreman or Gatti. or Holyfeild.
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I agree but the problem with that argument? It's the fact that oldheads will act like all of that no longer matters when it's music their ears aren't tuned to hearing.
@@tiopornawt7266 the old heads take issue with this argument?
@@iluvyou210 Yes, they do when it's music they didn't grow up on. Ice cube, Eazy E and Mc Ren weren't lyrically but an oldhead would praise them. Same with snoop.
Pac is my favourite rapper of all time. I’m 19, I also like the new rappers. Why can’t people just appreciate old and new hip hop and stop hating on the other.
Both is good but some people just hate
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Fr bruh, I'm 17 and also enjoy old and new hip hop. Mfs always be shittin on old hip hop for no reason. I honestly think both generations of rap have their own distinct unique aspects.
because unfortunately some crackhead had his opinion on the internet on what "music" Or "Hip Hop" Should be like though I agree there are (sometimes literal garbage in name of music) but that doesn't equate to a whole new gen of music/Artist being trash and this hive mindset is what overshadowed a wide variety of artists because they all are busy on hating on those who don't provide quality music which ultimately blowing them up in charts (a thing to note is that music industry in this era doesn't cares about quality they are all about business and money they can even record a fart for 2 min straight and make it platinum lol and these trend consumers will literally consume anything put out to them) and even if those quality artist even make it there they would still get hate ex - j. Cole, kendrick Lamar, Logic, Russ I think everyone should enjoy music out of a bias spectrum you should check out artists that you never would've checked out who knows you may find some good stuff :/
@@Bruvwavy and also a lot of people underestimate variety. It’s okay to like snoop and Dre and dababy or nle when you ina different mood. Even more drum and bass tunes and music from other parts like the UK scene is fire. There is no wrong or right in music and people should stop focusing on the genre too much and just enjoy
I always found it interesting how Biggie and Tupac contrasted each other music wise. Tupac really spoke from the heart he had power in his words, and emotion you could just feel he was good lyrically too maybe not rhyming scheme wise though this could be because he really wanted to give out a message most of the time but he had other good areas technically. While Biggie IMO probably the best MC, bro was a real spitter his rhymes were smooth not forced he had some good emotional songs too, but maybe not as emotional as PAC in general though this could just be because he liked having more fun.
I agree on that
biggie just rhymes, rap is not only about rhymes...2pac had more songs with better flow, message than biggie, pac is way better than big and any rapper as a whole
They both good and timeless but in the end you did pac a lil dirty ... like idk kinda emotional pple sucks 😆 ! We all have emotionals it's nature ! Just diff pple diff expressions you know :)
@@david.v7605 bruh flow is not something Pac could beat Big in, he was a great poet and passionate rapper that had great influence and the mind to flex his ambition but cadence,delivery,bars,flows,storytelling,shock value?????
Big,Jay/Em,Nas,Andre 3000
@@kopanomoss5752 Biggie doesn't tell stories, he just rhymes... PAC tells a lot of stories but y'all don't pay attention...PAC had great flow, Biggie goes off beat at times, he just be rhyming without measuring the beat, the reason why y'all say big has better flow is because his top songs flow are top notch, like hypnotize, big poppa, part and bullshit, there aren't much, he has a lot of average songs that people don't notice cos of meaningless rhymes
One-liner rap has this generation in such a chokehold that they are calling Pac overrated💀
Feeling and relatability has nothing to do with pure rapping skill
You can make some heartfelt shit but then get barred to death in a cypher
These 2Pac fanboys dont get that
These days youre not allowed to have a different viewpoint on him its toxic
Tupac wasn’t great when it comes to rhyme schemes etc. What made Pac great was putting emotion into words. He could get you riled up, sad, angry, happy in a matter of seconds.
His tracks could inspire you or just make chill and relax. That is what made him great. That type of charisma and putting emotions into words is hard to find and hard to learn.
Listen to whenever u r with big daddy Kane he’s rhyming his ass off
@@dwaynejpeterkin rhymes doesn't automatically mean good rap my guy but I'll give it a listen
This is cap. Listen to "Me against the world" the single or Got my mind made up feat. the wu tang clan. People say he's only good at making you feel what he say and his character. A lot of people say he's not good at flow changes and rhyming, he has multiple flows.
exactly!
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Pac told stories with his music, thats what some rappers nowadays can’t do..
J Cole can but he is in this current generation.
Tee grizzly
J Cole tells amazing stories.
Still pac is one of the goats
Pac more lyrical than Biggie
There’s a lot of rappers out there that can do that, media doesn’t pushes it out cuz most of our attention spans been tampered with to get messages and consume actual knowledge that will stick
Tupac in my opinion is one of the best rappers but I really think some people should stop getting so worked up whenever someone comes along and says they don't like Tupac or Biggie.
Nah Pac did more for black people than any rapper did before we gone defend him NY defend biggie just cux they from NY
@@PFFRevolution It ain’t that serous though not everyone is going to like his music.
@@PeterGriffin11 it is that serious for black folks and the generation that saw him while he was alive Pac spoke about real issues actually shot at corrupt police a real black panther descendant and much more he had songs to uplift black folks for generations like thugs Mansion dear momma Brenda's got a baby Pac was a Real Rapper that's the problem yall listen to anything don't even matter what they saying just as long as the beat is cool and you can see how far behind we have fallen with these new rappers music it will take you some time to understand how influential something like music can be then you will understand now ima let you believe what you want cuz you prolly 15 years old and can't grasp it yet
No it's not about that if you like Tupac or not don't disrespect his fucking legacy. I can also say without autotune tpain is fucking irrelevant.
Tupac was one of the best story tellers in rap history and that's a fact.
I dont think its people getting worked up as it is a display of passionate emotions. People feel like it treatens their musical taste to call into question the music they love and relate to. Its a defense mechanism.
Ppl are going out of their way to discredit his legacy 26 years later speaks volumes about how great he is no debate is necessary at this point
Exactly
To be fair, he was a ballerina dancer before magically turning into a big bad gangsta rapper.... so of course I'm going to discredit him. Like come on.
Tupac had something to say when he rapped. Whether it was a message, a warning, social commentary, all of his lines meant something. T-Pain can't relate and neither can 95% of rappers today.
Pac was a revolutionary and used his words to reach the heart and minds of millions around the world. Whether on beat or off without his impact many rappers wouldn't even exist. And even when we talk about technical complex lyricss anyone over 25 can't even be in the conversation because Pac died at 25. And that was almost 30 years ago and ppl still talk about him almost on a daily basis.
Exactly, this kinda breaks my heart...You just had to be there for the impact that Pac had...Film and music wise...But I'm not here to argue...At the time it was groundbreaking...Just an honest take❤️💯
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@@stansmith5610 alright down
Can honestly see where y'all coming from II wasnt alive in the 90s but I still went back and fe music Wu Tang, Big L, Big Pun, Biggie, Nas and Pac. Favorite album by Pac is Me against the world... still I hold DMX over Pac anydat....
How dare T pain come for PAC. He open up doors for them so what’s his point!!
Everybody is sleeping on how Pacs songs were made. Pac made 3 songs a day and hardly had time to write due to his prophecy of his own death. When you look at songs like Me Against The World, If I Die 2nite, Got My Mind Made Up, etc. You can still see incredible rhyme schemes and those verses would've been written almost on the spot. If Pac was able to take his time on a verse, he could've put out a godly 16, there is 0 debate on that.
Thank you very much....let's archive this comment y'all 😭😭🤝❤🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Bullshit he had time and artist today make plenty of songs a day
@@ItsSKthestupidrapper yes, artists today who have the luxury of modern technology vs old samplers and only storing data on floppy disks, CDs or Vinyls, in addition to Pac expecting death literally any day, hence he wanted to make as many songs as humanly possible, with extended time only going into his singles or video shoots. Even then, he's got tracks lightyears better than modern artists on a technical basis. Show me the Kendrick track that beats Me Against the World for both message and technical skill simultaneously. Pac is leagues above modern artists
Facts even street fame 🔥
The title is misleading, T-Pain said he would get obliterated by today's standards of rap lyricism, that doesn't mean he wasn't a good rapper. He's not implying he's a bad rapper at all
T pain retarded it was way more “lyrical killers” out during Pac era …90’s is the golden age of rap so how tf Pac wouldn’t last In today’s age when it’s literally only 3 MAINSTREAM lyrical rappers today that sale records consistently Cole, Kendrick, Drake everybody else like say a future do vibe music. In the 90’s the most lyrical dudes are the once’s who sold the most records…
It’s marketing chill. Soft core clickbait. If you made videos yourself you would do it someday at some point
@@hxnnid probably...
@@hxnnid yeah so is the oil industry telling you to recycle, doesn't mean it's right. call out clickbait even if it's something you do, don't be the dope dealer justifying his trade, be the one being honest about it.
@@Number1FanProductions well shit he was kinda bitching about it so that’s why I said that . Can’t compare clickbait with being a dope dealer
The thing is just like with XXX, Peep and Jucwrld,we never got to see Pac and Biggie develope into their entirety. Kinda hard to judge when they clearly still had a lot of talent to give.
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juice and peeps stuff was fire from get go tho. Pacs shit was just a chore to listen to. i remember my older cousin used to force me to listen to pac but always prefered like dmx, snoop, dre, Wu-Tang etc. but I was young back then and didnt care about "the message" .. its still boring to me tho..
@@bubbeN999 nah, you talk about hard to listen to, i CANNOT get into lil peep at all. Im sorry but i just do not get it..
@@daymonharris8696 hehe yeah I totally understand what ure saying. 8/10 friends i introduce peep to dont feel his music at all. I guess its all about what u like and what uve been through in life. I can relate to like 99% of what peep is singing about. and its more than just relating its like i can feel the pain in his voice and it feels so similar to my pain and anxiety somehow. not only his music but intteviews, vlogs etc. I dunno man peep is like my favourite person that i never knew personally. Im sure people feel the same way about pac. btw, first time i heard/saw peep i thought "just another idiot face tatted mumble rapper but when i looked into him and his music when he was in schemaposse i realized what a legend he is ( to me )
I feel like when someone is on there way out of hip hop they always make a comment dissing Tupac. You can’t be mad at them it just means there career is beyond redemption.
That's called the Lil Xan category😭☠️
PAC’s “Lyrical” Records:
1. If I Die Tonight
2. 96 Troublesome
3. Catching Feelings
4. Bomb First
5. Hail Mary
6. Blasphemy (your favorite isn’t intelligent enough or well read enough to create this record)
7. Loyal 2 The Game
8. Words of Wisdom
9. White Manz World
10. 2 Live and Die in LA
11. Wonder if Heaven Got a Ghetto
12. Death Around the Corner
13. Got My Mind Made Up
14. Dyin to Live
15. The tunnel freestyle with Pac & Big
16. Watch Ya Mouth (Dre Diss)
17. Reincarnation (ethereal)
18. Drunken Freestyle (top 5 recorded ever)
19. Things Are Changing
20. Road to Glory (Mike Tyson Tribute)
21. Str8 Ballin
22. Nothing 2 Lose
23. Late Night (Dj Quick & AMG)
All these are his best lyrical songs
That’s way more than a lot of currently active rappers have.
Such a great list to support the argument! I named some the same top ones in my post
Those arent lyrical
Feeling and relatability has nothing to do with pure rapping skill
You can make some heartfelt shit but then get barred to death in a cypher
These 2Pac fanboys dont get that
These days youre not allowed to have a different viewpoint on him its toxic
@@allaboutthemurzic wtf are you smoking?
Pass it.
This is definitively some of the best lyricism in hip hop history.
You are literate. Cut it.
2pac was only 25 when he died . He didn’t even get a chance to reach his full potential sad 😢… he still great 💯👑
dying when you're popular is the oldest marketing trick in the book. Look at X, Juice WRLD, Pop Smoke. Hell even King von. made INFINITELY more popular after they died. Actually Juice WRLD was famous even before then so he was different. but X and Pop Smoke 10000% got more attention after death.
could throw Mac Miller in there as well
Pac would smoke most of the rappers, y’all must not of seen his cyphers… do y’all history, Pac was generational. Any timeline you put him in, I’m sure he will adapt.
PACs decaying meat in ya mouth rn
Naw, he's overrated af
No he wouldn’t
@@seoulsoul7446 Man U say dat cuz u listen to dem overrated wanna b gangbanging rappers😂😂😂😂
@@seoulsoul7446 yea you say that but he better then your favorite rapper
He was a published poet, trained in Shakesperian theaters, and studied jazz, he actually rapped from the bottom of his stomach to control his range like how Naz raps from the throat. He started as a poet first read a variety of books and needed only a pen and paper to make a hit of the century, Biggie had the technical rhyme schemes and flow and he also is still talked about, he practiced his flow by emulating a jazz musician and wrote stories off the dome and was a rapid freestyle, suicidal thoughts is just incredible and sad and he can jump through topics effortlessly and be entertaining. Pac’s strongest points in his emotional delivery, Shakesperian style ghetto dramas, and poetic lyrics to dig deep in the heart. They both have versatility but I believe Biggie was more better as the MC while Pac moved into acting and was a powerful poet, his music is like sending at a poetry slam and hearing him share his art.
Honestly stop blowing smoke up his ass, just cod he a poet don't mean he's a good lyricist, Tupac had a message, was consistent and said some real shit, that's why people fuckdd with him, all this other shit is completely irrelevant too the reasons why people liked Tupac, he couldn't be technical, if Tupac was a technical lyricist his effect wouldn't if been the same, cos its real...again all that other shit you're talking about is irrelevant because it was music that made him popular
We got people glorifying and glamorizing the street lifestyle, sex and drugs nowadays. They would never and probably could never relate to Tupac because he wanted to and DID help others and artists these days care about nothing other than themselves, their gigantic egos and money. They’re too selfish where Tupac was selfLESS and this is why a lotta people these days think hes whack: he rapped about real shit, not just “fuckin bitches” and “poppin percs”.
Artists these days glamorize the gangster/street lifestyle. DID WE LEARN NOTHING FROM GANGSTAS PARADISE BY COOLIO? This shit aint supposed to be glamorous cuz it isnt. Its awful. Its traumatizing to these kids. The gangster lifestyle they promote isnt a vibe like everyone wants, its a searing social statement of oppression and racially motivated targeted policing.
But idk if everyones ready for that conversation yet 🐸☕️
Biggie -Story Teller
JayZ - Rapper
Eminem - Lyricist
Nas - MC
Andre 3000 - Artist
2pac - Poet
Well said
No
Agreeeeeeeeeeeeeee
This dosent even make sense
@@HBG313 you probably too young
To be honest we haven't even seen the full potential of Pac to evolve if he was alive he would've adapted and destroyed the competition of today's music. The dude died at 25 in his prime imagine if he grace his 30s or so same for Biggie
Hell no, dude doesn't stand a chance against modern rappers like Drake...that old school shit just got old LMAO
@@seoulsoul7446 this has got to be the corniest comment ive ever read lmao drake literally doesnt write his own music bro what did you seriously mean by this?
If we're talking technical lyricism then of course 2Pac would get beat by a modern rapper. It's almost been 30 YEARS since 2Pac died and Hip Hop has evolved as a genre.
It's evolving, just backwards lol
@@kediruiujdi3120 You believe that you're not paying attention to the right thing. Stop looking at mumble and Tik Tok rappers and start looking at the modern lyrical rapper.
Lmao no he wouldn't. This is coming from a fan of modern rap. Go listen to Hit em up and come back with that statement please. I'd say he'd body most modern rappers.
And we are still talking about 2pac 30 years later... Lyrically it devolved. Production upped its game up.
@@kediruiujdi3120 corny
Nah Tupac would’ve just evolved as a rapper, he was only 25. I don’t Tpain was fully thinking at the time speaking on this. Everyone could evolve in music.
Tbh he’s right Tupac at the time was so big because he was one of the first to talk about actual issues that was and still is going on. Tupac in terms of lyricism he’s good but not the most lyrical at least in terms of word play and stuff like that. He was a great storyteller though and that’s why his impact was so great. I think there are way better rappers than Tupac but not a lot of them have the same type of mindset and spiritual growth as him
He known from movies and his voice was powerful but bar for bar against the next person it won’t hold he had his own thing goin on
what do you mean by lyricism then? He was great lyrically. He wasn’t a battle rapper and he wasn’t MF Doom but who is?
Thank you
@@bloodaonadeline8346 Lyricism is metaphors and wordplay which 2Pac lacked
@@bloodaonadeline8346 big facts RIP Tupac and MF DOOM rap legends
My thing is this, Pac had metaphors in his poems. The Rose That Grew From The Concrete is a prime example. Pac was an educator and teacher when it came to him rapping. He was socially aware and personally aware. Pac spoke from all facets of people. He told a broken man's story, thugs story, painful stories, heartfelt and sentimental stories. U name it. Pac was a leader who spoke for all that needed a message. The way he used his words on beats and made people gravitate towards is far better than the most lyrical rapper. Pac was lyrical. Listen to songs like If I Die 2Nite, All Out, First 2 Bomb, Scared Straight, Do For Love, u name it. Pac had a way of making u care about him and his life. I disagree when it was said that Pac wouldn't win against BIG in a rap battle. People forget that lyricism isn't just metaphors and punchlines. The substance is a huge part of that. And Pac had a lot of that. That could go against BIG. I luv Biggie too, don't get me wrong. But I'm just saying that this stuff gotta end wit people saying that Pac was not capable of spittin dope verses, when clearly he was. Listen to his verse on Got My Mind Made Up. Or Heartz of Men. Pac is one of my favorite rappers. He in my top 5. Biggie is in there as well like I said. I luv both rappers, honestly. That's my take on this contentious, ongoing, repetitive, perpetual thing that has been occurring for years. Some agree, some don't. It's whatever
Fax, thats why I dont really fw Eminem newer music. Its all style and no substance, he spitting his ass off and punchlines and wordplay galore but he saying a whole load of nothing, its just setups and punchlines. Pac verses had substance in them, and what made his verses even more palpable is the emotion u felt, when Pac was spitting u feel it in your gut. As you said, his lyrical ability is understated and lyricism is more than just rhymes and punchlines, its how u weave them together to craft a cohesive verse that gets something across to the listener and delivery is apart of that. If all the listener hearing is cool rhyme schemes but the verse is all over the place they got nothing to latch onto so they got no incentive to relisten to the track
@@Will-bn9km agreed brother.
@@Will-bn9km Those are the actual factuals that I been tryna tell people. Pac was a genius at making U feel enthralled by his music. He was never mendacious in his lyrics. Always honest and real. People think that he was so incompetent as far as the lyricism goes, they don't even understand the bottom root of what lyricism means. I luv Eminem as well too. Nas, Pac, BIG, DMX, J Cole, Kendrick, Logic, Kanye, and Joey BadA$$ and many others.
Exactly bro,t pain is zero boy
People sleep on Pac's use of alliteration as well.
The argument that Pac isn’t a technically great rapper is just stupid… nothing short of it.
It came during the stereotype East coast hip hop had toward the west and their “technical abilities”
Calling them basic rhyme reason.
Pac got looped into that with Cube, Snoop etc etc
That’s what made THE GAME unique.
Sound like west coast, rap like east coast.
Allah Kendrick...
The truth is that Pac, Snoop, Cube, Daz, Suga Free, 2Short, etc and most of the west best are all lyrical and the East coast use to hate on anyone who could threaten them (ie west, the south).
Most don’t know PAC’s discography out of “How do you want it”, “Cali Love”, “I Get Around”, “Dear Mama”, and “Hit Em Up”.
So they don’t even KNOW.
TPain has not listened to Pac extensively he’s sipping wine and have loose feminine conversations
This why west coast > east coast rap. Put drakeo the Ruler in that list too LLTR
@@Midnight_Ruby you ain’t lying a fucking terrible lost for hip hop. He was Cali’s slick Rick 💯
@@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154 ong RIP mr mosely Mr big bank uchies🤧🤧east coast gettin too repetitive with it ngl
Damn, solid argument!
When I hear 2pac in a track with ANYBODY and I’ve heard really well made tracks with some famous rappers ft. 2Pac. When its time for 2pac to lay his verse it just hits different than any other rapper. He didn’t have to be a Royce da 5 9” style rapper of super complex rhymes, rhyme screams, etc.
2pac was just something else. R.I.P. 2pac. Shouts out from 55th Sesame Street!
People tend to forget that he was able to keep up with all the more “lyrical” legends of that time. The man was dissing Biggie, Nas and Mobb Deep all at the same time. Not saying he’s the most technically gifted rapper of all time but Tupac would hold his own. He knows how to be more disrespectful than then the next rapper. And with his passionate delivery, idk 😬 stop sleeping
They really haven’t heard of his OG version of songs, they really just noobs and haven’t heard all his songs but the mainstream
This Pac "wasn't a great MC narrative" is so stupid. Pac was an amazing MC. He was a master of flow, his technique was imeccable, his timing, cadence, and sense of rhythm, we're all very on point. He could enunciate clearly and effectively, and was able to get his message and point across which made his rapping, and music as a whole very emotional. Pac is held and such a high regard and considered one of the greatest artists ever for good reason. He was really good at what he did.
Master of flow? Buddy his flow was average. Literally nothing special about his flow at all.
People think that lyricism is all rhymes nowadays
But something I value above that, is the ability to convey emotions, not just through his verses, but throughout his entire musical career.
For example, Me against the world was Pac at his lowest point, both physically and mentally due to his court case/shooting.
And despite not being around when any of it happened, I feel as if I can relate to the suffering he channeled into the album, and I fully sympathize with him as he just wishes to make his mama feel appreciated, or when he is shedding tears over homies he's lost, all the while he keeps his metaphorical middle finger pointed at the police, the justice system, and even parts of his own community if he felt it was negatively impacting the youth.
All in all, Pac was as real as one can get, and saldy, many people overlook his contributions to making rap more than just rhymeschemes and flows, in my humble opinion at least.
Well said💯
Boom! 💥💥💥
That's true, but pac was technically gifted too, they just don't go deep in his catalogue, they need to listen to songs like Changed man, if I die 2nite, Me against the world, I got my mind made up, Hearts of men , wherever u are... He was spitting his ass off on those songs
@@kayfor2351 can't forget about troublesome '96
I swear if he would've just rhymed just one more word with Hennessy than Enemy/penetentiary/etc, not nearly as many people would make this argument.
That's why I like some mumble rapper cuz it's how I feel it's not all the lyrics
Pac can go bar for bar with Biggie and Lupe in a rap battle, he already did with Biggie, if he was still living, he can wash Lupe too. As a guy who is a recording artist that does battle rap on the side, battle rappers thing recording diss tracks and actually battling someone is two different difficulty levels but in reality recording a diss in the studio is harder. Don't forget how he took down the entire Junior Mafia and Bad boy on Hit em up.
Let’s all pray for T-Pain guys he geeking right now let’s hope he back to his senses someday
It’s facts tho😂every rapper has their generational sound. Just like todays rappers might get ate tf up by the future rappers
@@JDMSwervo2001 yeah probably I’m pretty Tupac would be in features
Save your prayers for Lil Tjay who literally got shot recently. Not for T-Pain who’s willing to think for himself
Dawg nobody's bumping Pac because he's this crazy lyrical assassin on the mic, we bump him because of how passionate and relatable he is. He's either preaching, informing, or taking out his anger on a coast of rappers. That's the reason we are still talking about a dead man 20+ years later.
There are 2 kinds of teachers at school. The one who always using the technical terms and filling the board with notes to explain the concept and when class over you confused af and the relatable one who makes the complicated things seem super straight forward and can convey the same work in digestible bits. One may, to a casual listener, seem like they are better but I bet we all know which teacher has the better pass rate
This is a good comparison.
Gulley Boy has his stance that Pac was overrated not that he wasn’t a good rapper but lyrically and aesthetically there are better rappers since he looks into underground from many Eras. The only difference is Pac had more star power, controversy and his death that made him famous to this day.
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his death didn't make him famous thats ridiculous to say
Pac was already famous before his death, so that is a false claim.
@@iraford5788 exactly niggas acting like me against the world ain’t debut at number 1 when he was behind bars
tupac is good rapper but he is overrated to be honest. if he didnt die in his prime people would of got tired of him, like with all artist. when people die in their prime people always have the hypothetical " if he was alive excuse".
Tupac was overated af
@@seoulsoul7446 everyone is
Everything is overrated happened always ago BC
You’re so delusional
spot on
It's true that Tupac wasn't a lyrist but his passion and story telling was impeccable. Not many people could paint a picture with words like pac did. No question
How was he not a lyricist? What is your standard?
Well obviously you haven't listened to songs like die tonight, all out etc if you think pac wasn't lyrical.
2Pac was a poet first and foremost, his overall style reflected that. Also, I find people who make statements like this haven’t really dove into 2pacs discography like that.
Technical skills are weird to gauge, like what quantifies as “technical”? Is it rhyming more words together? Rapping faster? Having a certain cadence?
In which case many can say they are technically better but that’s just not how lyricism works in my mind.
Technical is rhyming. However rhyming words for no reason(Eminem) is dukey.
Pac had a passion and intensity you just don’t see anymore. T Pain is waaaaaaay out of line here w what he said.
Can we just say there’s no number 1 artist maybe top 20 but not everyone can be the greatest artist 🤷♂️ if your a legend there’s no need to compare
Thank you
Tupac will always be remembered as one of the greats. His style, his flow, his story telling abilities was top notch. He was just beginning. Just imagine what he could of done. He would of grew and continued to deliver us amazing music 💯🙏
RIP 2Pac
2pacs impact on hip hop is engraved thru his clever storytelling and his charisma. His lyrics could resonate within any generation.
If tupac blew up in this generation he would be called corny
Yeah because everyone would see that video where he was a ballerina right away due to social media and he'd be labeled a fraud as he should be.
@@Boston2BocaDude tried playing gangster with real gangsters and got taken care of.
If we're talking technical rhyme skills, then there are many better than Pac. However, if we're talking about intelligence, emotion and power in words. There has never been and there will never be a rapper, who can touch Pac in that regard. Only DMX had that type of passion and as much as I love DMX, he wasn't Pac.
As for T-Pain, it's obvious what he's doing. He hasn't had a hit in a decade and Usher made him cry into his pillow. So to avoid becoming irrelevant, he's jumping on platforms to give "controversial" takes. But he's not really saying anything of substance.
Couldn’t agree more
T pain just had a hit and Kendrick absolutely bodies Tupac and I love Tupac
I mean he wasnt entirely wrong Tupac vs a prime Joey badass in a rap battle yeah you tell me who would win?
@@rogue9230 tupac, I love joey but his music isn’t easy to digest
Thats exactly what hes doing bro. Great take man. And of course tpains take about a hip hop legend like pac ignites others to give their to cents on the matter thereby putting his name in their mouths.
He know what he is doing.
If you are or were raised by a single mother and grew up without a father or one barely there listen to "Dear Mama" it's him telling a story you can relate too about your mother if she was kind to you.
I feel like how it is in all honesty is you just can’t please everybody. Everybody craves a different thing when it comes to music. Some listen for a message, some are deeply analyzing lyricism, some focus more on the production side, some just focus on the overall mood and energy. So I feel like you’re always gonna get critics regardless of how talented you are, because everybody hears the music in a different sense.
He was a great rapper his mic presence was prolly the best I don't think he took away him being not a "good rapper" he just said he not Lyrical basically but tupac was poetic & made "good music" he had bars these rappers these rapper these days ain't saying nun original 😭😭😭😭 pac would of adapted tpain has terrible takes lyricism isn't just about bars its about diction wordplay rhyme schemes entendres.
you saying the rappers 2day aint saying nothing is bias... the lit popular rappers aint but there so many underground rappers that are lyrically super good and telling stories... like Pac if he was out now he would of been one of them not a mainstream rapper. At his time you could still shine being like that but it started dying off around the mid 2000s with Dipset and Lil Wayne more gang related music
@@tuelzalt never Said that did I tupac would of adapted like I Said getting ate up is a overstatement
How you gone say PAC wasn’t a lyricist, man?😭 Such words can only come from someone who hasn’t heard his music. You probably only heard 2 to 3 songs and came to a half-assed conclusion.
PAC’s music didn’t just make an impact, there was a whole lot of intellect and lyricism behind every bar. He was a musical genius - the very embodiment of Hip-Hip and music as a whole… To say that he wouldn’t have made it in this era is an ignorant and dumb statement.
Eminem’s from PAC’s generation and is still dropping hits now, to think PAC wouldn’t have done the same or even better is complete insanity.
The lot who say 2PAC was overrated and agree with what t-pain said are the ones who listen to trash like 6ix9ine and Lil pump and think that’s music.
Bruh those ppl never listened to me against the world PAC was a beast
THANK U
Tupac was not only a great lyricist, but a great storyteller, and a whole poet. He wasn't trying to spit a mafrillion words a nanosecond.
That's what everyone says lol yall talk like sheep
Facts
Man you can’t take someone who lived in another time and compare them to todays standards.
These people are legends because they were so advanced in skills for their time. They had it much harder to get big and get their skills advanced because they were like pioneers. And some saying is like: without competition you won’t evolve
Even so they got this far.
Another plumb example would be like taking Thomas Edison and say: huh for todays standards he would be nothing special because a lot of people know how electricity works even though Edison made this “platform”
Like Tupac was one big impact to built the fundament of todays hiphop platform.
That’s my take on this
You definitely can compare them lmao thats wierd as hell to say that you can't compare them, comparing music between now and 30 years ago is exactly how we understand the way that the industry is changing
@@TheBigboy453 That is contrast.
2pac was and will always be one of greatest rappers but I do firmly believe that people tend to overrate him a bit in a sense that he's praised as a god in hip-hop.
Lmao so Eminem is the “king of rap “ ???🥴 foh🖐🏿
@@jabaristandberry3437 I didn't even mention Eminem. What made you assume that I'd give that title to him?
Tpain disses pac: nothing happens
Xan doesn’t like pacs music: he gets death threats
Racism is crazy these days
The definition ACTUAL of lyrical, " Expressing the writer's EMOTIONS in an imaginitive and beautiful way ". By definition, Pac was VERY lyrical. Punchline rap ISN'T lyrical, it's just punchline rap. Before anybody gets disrespectful towards me, Google the definition for yourself.
In an audio interview from 1995 even 2Pac himself said he's not that good of a lyricist but not in those words.
But 2Pac's way of saying his words made you feel him and his voice was perfect for rap.
T-Pain is just jealous of Pac. 2Pac talked about jealous niggas a lot in his songs and T-Pain is one of them.
I hate how when rappers die you can't have an opinion on them anymore. It's either you like them or they're a legend you can't not like them or else you'll be frowned apon. And yes I like Tupac's music and understand what sort of impact he has had on the genre. But I'm talking more about artists like Juice Wrld he was good (especially at freestyling)
but not a legend and he didn't really do anything influential. I'm just sick of the word legend being overused.
Read this verse from PAC 👇👇and if you still think he wasn’t a great lyricist idk wtf to tell you.
“Though I walk through the valley of hell the shadow follows me
Wisdom hard to swallow tomorrow expect apologies
You probably panic, stranded in search of a better planet
Realism hard to understand, we stand slanted
And still stranded, merciless thieves stole the best of me
I pray to black Jesus to please take the rest of me
And still, the best of us build, and reach monetary gains
Some of us kill, but still, most of us can change”
@@rickyrichreacts9667 I didn't say he wasn't great but I'm saying there are other artist that haven't been near as influential as pac or biggie that just get called a legend just because they passed away. And if you dont like that artists music or have any opinion of them thatbis even slightly negative you'll get called out for it.
This narrative is old and tired. If the music’s not for you that’s one thing. But his classics (Me Against the World, All Eyez On Me) stand the test of time. One of the most influential artists of all time. We’ll never know what would’ve happened if he still lived, but he’s still one of the greats.
im not super big on Pac and i find his messages contradictory but i fw with delivery and tone. he was a beast with his baritone voice, emphasis on certain syllable and words, and vivid imagery; reminiscent of gospel preachers. it's like you can really feel what he was saying and it gave him personality, which I think is more important than just being a great technical lyricist. rap is supposed to be self expression
T pain fell off now he is trynna find relevancy by saying this! Pac literally inspired lot of rappers!
By telling the truth? He never said pac was a bad rapper he simply said he would get smoked lyrically by some of these new rappers which is a fucking fact
T-Pain must really be tired of being successful
T-Pain always having shitty viral moments. Bro says anything he thinks of.
Rip 2pac the Goat 🐐
Anybody that says tupac wasn't a good rapper I can't take serious and know they haven't listened to all of his music and probably don't even listen to a real rap just radio rap and whatever's trending
"im 12 and im different"
"real rap" 🤓🤓🤓
Pac still got one of the greatest diss songs of all time and is a legendary storytelller in a rap game that was based around storytelling. He is a poet on a beat any rapper can only dream of having a quarter of his staying power and replay value
Tupac had so much talent... There are not too many rappers who can be skilled in rap and then switch to something like acting and do it well.. Tupac could!
I’m still devastated I could never get a feature from Tupac, Bob Marley or Michael Jackson…
RIP Legends 🙏🏽🕊
I love T-Pain, one of my favorite artists actually but he is on some wack shit here. Tupac is one of the best to ever do it. You wanna see incredible lyricism? Listen to If I Die 2nite, and go nuts at the alliteration. You wanna see incredible storytelling? Pac has dozens of examples that I don’t even need to name, pick one. Pac was an incredible lyricist, and the idea that he wasn’t is just ridiculous.
nah he kind of overrated, if he didnt pass in his prime he would be overrated as he is
He’s not the best to do it you all are just hopping on a bandwagon cuz hes dead if he was alive y’all wouldn’t be praising him like this so stop the cap
Absolutely. Although there are those that rhyme at a higher technical level. They can't match the power of his words and the genius level of storytelling. He had a story for every part of the Black-American experience. No one has since come close to matching that.
@@tyrone1450 I said one of the best to ever do it. Not the best. Eminem is far above the rest but Pac is 2nd and it has nothing to do with his death. He has 6 arguable classic albums, 5 of which are undeniables, 2 of which are 100 out of 100 projects, and with All Eyez On Me being one of the best rap albums of all time. He also has one of the best deliveries ever, fantastic flow, all time storyteller, the list goes on. Nothing to do with his death
@@mrjarrel7477 ^
Death doesn’t mean good music and I’m not saying he’s trash I don’t even listen to him but I feel like since he’s passed the young gen just calls him a legend without doing research maybe the ogs know but I feel like we do that a lot
Lol go listen to
“Lil homies”
“Killilluminati”
“They don’t give a fuck about us”
Trust me lol pacs music 🎶 was a head of his time lmfao
Maybe that’s your case bud but there is a lot of us younger gens that love pac and appreciate his music. I’m 19 and he is my favourite rapper. I think the death doesn’t make good music isn’t valid for 2pac cause he was already a legend before his passing, his death didn’t make the public go wild for me like for example has happened with pop smoke and xxx (I like both these rappers, I’m not saying they are bad but they did reach their peak after dying)
If you haven't listen to him. Your opinion is worth less than a zero sum. Just as the youngsters calling him a legend, without having listened to him. It doesn't mean anything. There are millions if kids our here wearing Jordans. They probably think it's Michael B Jordan's shoes and not the OG, that is MJ.
The point is PAC is more of a message rapper because the message is deliver throughout his songs/his words when he talks still hits til this day…T Pain is right, this not to disrespect the great, but nowadays we will never know if 2Pac was alive. BUT the rap game still going to change NO MATTER WHAT at the end of the day..
I think part of what he means is that ppl don’t appreciate lyrical rappers as much today and they’re not as big. The majority of rappers today are not lyrical rappers which is why I think T- pain means that 2pac wouldn’t be as big today if he was coming up. That being said 2pac is my favorite rapper for certain so I’m not defending him saying that he’s bad
It’s the same thing for Kanye he has never been a crazy lyricist but the way he can construct a song makes him one of the greatest
Me Against The World and All Eyes On Me are the complete package. Lyrics, technical ability and passion. People hear Dear mama and California love and think they know Pac and can judge his ability. I don’t expect this generation to understand but y’all need to do the research before u say some dumb shit.
I mean T-Pain is right tho, 2pac was amazing during that time but seriously the lyricists we have today are just out of this world
This new generation of rappers, some of whome I do like need to learn some damn respect for what came before.
Pac would murder anybody lyrically today and in the process would have more content to talk about than just fucking, killing and doing drugs.
Infact he predicted that this "different type of rap" age would arrive.
Fuck anyone who disrespects the past.
I appreciate the past and enjoy the future of music but I would never go back and disrespect a legend.
Great lyrics to me aren’t about complicated words, it’s about choosing the right words that get your message across in the most impactful manner. 2Pac, I’m sure, could have written incredibly complex lyrics and rhyme schemes but would’ve diluted the message.
“I see no changes, wake up in the morning and I ask myself, is life worth living or should I blast myself?” Would people feel the same impact if he had said “I visualize the repetitious ad infinitum, rise at sunrise pondering my own existence, is it worth this curse ought I burst this sacred pouch, that holds the biologics capable of one’s own doubt?”
Sure it sounds cool, but it wouldn’t get the message across in the same way.
I would like listening second sentences more than first sentence, because it's more creative and advanced, simple sentences is boring
The same ppl that bash Eminem saying he's only good cuz he's a "technical" rapper are the same ppl who are bashing Tupac for NOT being one. Make up ur damn mind...
i think lyricism was of more importance during the older generation (80s, 90s) where as production is of more importance in the modern generation (00s, 10s). in both cases, one has the upper hand over the other
I’d argue that lyricism is still important today. Lyricism has just changed. But the punchlines these new rappers come up with are kinda insane lol
He still a legend , 2Pac impact is Musically timeless he changed hip-hop forever , his personality is still inspiring artists today
i don't know if he was charismatic or not but his notoriety is undeniable All Eyes Me is my fav song from him by the way
Rest in power Mr Shakur
Tupac told real life stories spoke from his heart with his music and is still listened to 25years later his music lives on forever now days all rappers rap about his drugs etc
Tupac is a better rapper because he understood it was always bigger then RAP. He understood the power he had and he understood how to use it!
All i know is that I've heard a lot of people say that they are Tupac fans and that I've NEVER heard noone say that they are Tpain fans
L take by L Pain
Me against the world, all eyez on me , Makaveli are some of the best albums I ever heard and still get listened to by me on the regular
There's a HUGE difference between being a good lyricist and a good rapper. Pac may not have been a great lyricist but DAM was he a good rapper. Being a rapper means having a good flow, delivery, lyrics, message, storytelling ability, emotion, charisma and character, delivery, image, creativity, awareness, production and more. Pac had pretty much all those things in spades except for high level lyricism but even then he had some dam good lyrics in a fair few of his songs. There are some mad ass lyricists like Hopsin, Logic, Token etc who are great in their own right but imo aren't known as great rappers becuz they don't have all have the tools in the toolbox. Besides its not always about what you say (lyrical ability) and how fast you can say it but the message behind it that matters. People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. And dam did Pac care, he spoke for the people on issues that needed to be spoken out and did so with all his might and ability. It's true, sometimes he can be very overrated when people say he was the best ever but when you look at it from every perspective you would be hard pressed to find anyone better imo. Love both Biggie and Pac, rip my brothers chilling in cuba
Tf are u talking about hahaha
@@gabryeI tf username??
@@matthewarendse1913 ?
@@gabryeI u disagree with something I said???
@@matthewarendse1913 my username offends you matthew
“people talk a lot of shit but thatd after im gone, cause they fear me in the physical form” -2pac 🐐
Damn if you think this is called talking 💩 then you’re softer than some tissue paper
Bruh lyrical rappers always have trouble catching mainstream appeal cause deeper songs ain't usually easy to dance to. I like t pains revival but this take is wack. Pac is and always will be an amazing blend of Thug and Dreamer. He was educated to see a better future. But also realistic about his situations and lifestyle. Relatable and easy to look up to while not judging anyone for doing what they did.
Truth is, Pac isn't as lyrical as rappers like Eminem or even the Wu Tang Clan, but it's the way in which he said things that made him hit just as hard, *if not harder* at times. Cadence in and of itself is important to have as a rapper, and Pac definitely had that down pat. His rhymes are actually still really good though. Man was even a literal poet, and I love that about him. Lol.
Read this verse from PAC 👇👇and if you still think he wasn’t a great lyricist idk wtf to tell you.
“Though I walk through the valley of hell the shadow follows me
Wisdom hard to swallow tomorrow expect apologies
You probably panic, stranded in search of a better planet
Realism hard to understand, we stand slanted
And still stranded, merciless thieves stole the best of me
I pray to black Jesus to please take the rest of me
And still, the best of us build, and reach monetary gains
Some of us kill, but still, most of us can change”
pac literally is as lyrical as both the ppl u named lmao yall needa actually listen to his albums
I personally believe who you consider a good musician or consider someone a legend is a personal choice some artist's effect some people differently than other people. Someone who I think is a good rapper or a legend someone else won't think the same bc they haven't effected me like someone else has have. That's my point of view about this topic
I think it all really boils down to what you prefer as a listener. Pac may not be super lyrical, but he had a lot of passion. Biggie may have not been as energetic and passionate as Pac, but he was way more lyrical. It honestly boils down to what you see as more important.
''had a lot of passion"
u can be passionate and still be a bad rapper
@@The.rapist911 do you think pac was a bad rapper?
@@The.rapist911 good pac was not a passionate bad rapper.
Hell nah that biggie not bein energetic is Soooooooo cap a lot of ready 2 die had hyped Songs for example Gimme the Loot
@@LosHomiesDre his party songs are energetic honestly
I think that Tupac lyrically would not beat someone like J.Cole or Kendrick, but his impactful delivery and the message of his songs would be on their level
Ppl judging purely on technical skills r the ones who say modern Eminem is good
2Pac held his own against Biggie who was lyrically superior to a lot of rappers today; to act like Pac would not be able to stand up to modern rappers is a huge cope. 2Pac had his lyrical moments, especially early in his career circa 2Pacalypse Now and near the end of his life with Makaveli; he compromised his lyrical ability for a large part of his career but to act like he was incapable of being lyrical just isn't true. Pac was more interested in writing good songs, not necessarily the best raps, but when he got passionate, he was capable of bars.
Now watch T-Pain go through the same hellstorm that Lil Xan did after he spoke on Pac lol Personally, aside from a few songs, I don’t listen to Tupac, but that’s only because I prefer underground artists.
I think 2 pac is a legend hall of fame best rapper god bless him
Amen
2 Pac actually had a lot of double and triple entredes in his lyrics as well, I mean he has so many it’s insane when you realize he was doing it at will 🎯 and what’s even more crazy is he was doing it with Real lyrics not just witty wordplay like most rappers during that era 💯