The survivors of the massacres' now live in Ontario near the site of the battle of the Thames's in 1813.They were relocated there in 1783 by the Butler's Rangers under Capt. Caldwell. I attended there pow wow in Sept. 2022.
What a totally sick story! Is this the USA "Oradour sur Glane". How perpetually embarrassing for the USA, to have no justice! Maybe give the entire valley and whatever other adjacent lands the tribe lived off, back to the tribe. Would that be some form of retribution? I say, let the present day tribal members decide.
This act was perpetrated by the Pennsylvania and Virginia militias. It wasn't at the behest of the federal government (in this case). The location is in Ohio, so I'm not sure what could be done for reparations at this point. Hopefully we can learn from this and help prevent such a thing from ever happening again.
@@MikeDoesHistory Thank you for adding to the picture. I can assure you, we will not learn from this. What can be learned, was already well known to the militias, because it was in their scriptures. They just did not consider other humans as human. They wanted to control and reap the virtues of the land. Very sinful. The distinction between "federal" and "state" was not very important to the native people, wherever, when they were murdered.
@@alwaysfourfun1671 I think you have it right when you say that they didn't want to think of them as other humans. That same scenario is still playing out today...
@@MikeDoesHistory Enjoy the holiday season. Let's hope for a more just world. By the way, I am from the Netherlands. No clean hands there. Our prime minister is in a process to apologize for the Dutch role in the slave trade, on behalf of the state. I say: stop slavery NOW.
@@corneliuswowbagger It was in 1782. The United States had already declared its independence, but the war wasn't over yet. The Pennsylvania militiamen acted of their own accord though, and not at the behest of the fledgling federal government.
@@MikeDoesHistory Mike, are you certain it was Pennsylvania Militia? I ask, because a 5x great uncle, John McColloch, was implicated and ultimately was refused burial in the Short Creek (now United Methodist Church) Cemetery because of the alleged involvement, but he was a Virginia Militia Man. We keep looking for his grave somewhere on the West Virginia Short Creek, but fear he was strip mined with the Waynesburg or Washington Coal. John was Major Samuel’s brother. There is a school of thought that Major Samuel’s ambush was actually intended for John, who accompanied him that day as retribution for John’s involvement. My immediate ancestor was younger brother Abraham BTW. I agree that Ganadenhutten, regardless of John’s involvement, was a bad move. I grew up in West Liberty, so am pretty familiar with both the geography and history.
@@corneliuswowbagger I've read differing accounts regarding that. The militia group responsible was based out of western Pennsylvania, but I believe they had Virginians in their ranks as well. The Indians had been raiding both Pennsylvania and Virginia, so it's not surprising that it was a mixture.
Excellent job! I loved the drone work. More videos please!
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The survivors of the massacres' now live in Ontario near the site of the battle of the Thames's in 1813.They were relocated there in 1783 by the Butler's Rangers under Capt. Caldwell. I attended there pow wow in Sept. 2022.
That's interesting! Do you know if they hold their pow wows every year?
What a totally sick story! Is this the USA "Oradour sur Glane". How perpetually embarrassing for the USA, to have no justice! Maybe give the entire valley and whatever other adjacent lands the tribe lived off, back to the tribe. Would that be some form of retribution? I say, let the present day tribal members decide.
This act was perpetrated by the Pennsylvania and Virginia militias. It wasn't at the behest of the federal government (in this case). The location is in Ohio, so I'm not sure what could be done for reparations at this point. Hopefully we can learn from this and help prevent such a thing from ever happening again.
@@MikeDoesHistory Thank you for adding to the picture. I can assure you, we will not learn from this. What can be learned, was already well known to the militias, because it was in their scriptures. They just did not consider other humans as human. They wanted to control and reap the virtues of the land. Very sinful. The distinction between "federal" and "state" was not very important to the native people, wherever, when they were murdered.
@@alwaysfourfun1671 I think you have it right when you say that they didn't want to think of them as other humans. That same scenario is still playing out today...
@@MikeDoesHistory Enjoy the holiday season. Let's hope for a more just world. By the way, I am from the Netherlands. No clean hands there. Our prime minister is in a process to apologize for the Dutch role in the slave trade, on behalf of the state. I say: stop slavery NOW.
For shame America.
Sad chapter for sure... Difficult to imagine.
It was not the United States of America then. Also there were militiamen from Virginia, who were accused, but apparently not even present.
@@corneliuswowbagger It was in 1782. The United States had already declared its independence, but the war wasn't over yet. The Pennsylvania militiamen acted of their own accord though, and not at the behest of the fledgling federal government.
@@MikeDoesHistory Mike, are you certain it was Pennsylvania Militia? I ask, because a 5x great uncle, John McColloch, was implicated and ultimately was refused burial in the Short Creek (now United Methodist Church) Cemetery because of the alleged involvement, but he was a Virginia Militia Man. We keep looking for his grave somewhere on the West Virginia Short Creek, but fear he was strip mined with the Waynesburg or Washington Coal. John was Major Samuel’s brother. There is a school of thought that Major Samuel’s ambush was actually intended for John, who accompanied him that day as retribution for John’s involvement. My immediate ancestor was younger brother Abraham BTW. I agree that Ganadenhutten, regardless of John’s involvement, was a bad move. I grew up in West Liberty, so am pretty familiar with both the geography and history.
@@corneliuswowbagger I've read differing accounts regarding that. The militia group responsible was based out of western Pennsylvania, but I believe they had Virginians in their ranks as well. The Indians had been raiding both Pennsylvania and Virginia, so it's not surprising that it was a mixture.
I wish you had some ground video but, other than that it’s a great video
I will have to visit again and break out the GoPro. Beautiful location!
I have a few pictures on my Instagram page, but I agree, a video from the ground would have been great!
The river in the video is the mighty Tuscarawas.
I think it looks so pretty in this video!
What cowards. Why scalp them too?
Just seems evil...
@@MikeDoesHistory That's the only way I wrap my mind around it
revenge for the settlers in PA who were scalped