38s with NO LIFT Jeep Wrangler TJ | DO They FIT?!
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2020
- We had this crazy idea to try to fit MASSIVE 38 inch tires on our STOCK Suspension Jeep TJ Rubicon! We also show off our new Rocktrix rims and explain why its ULTRA important to get larger tires balanced properly. If you are new to our channel, welcome! We bought this jeep wrangler TJ Rubicon about 2 months ago and we have been building it ever since. If you haven't seen the video series, be sure to check out our channel, here is the link to our official Price reveal ( • We Bought the CHEAPEST... )
We hear about many people trying to fit 35s on a stock height TJ. Well today we attempt to fit in 38s on the stock height! When choosing tires, we went with the Milestar Patagonia 38x13.50r17 tires and we decided to mount them on the amazing 17x9 Rocktrix rims. What a killer combo! These tires are known to be ultra quiet and they perform really well off road - we can't wait to take them out on the trails and see how they perform! In this video, we also explain the importance of a proper balancer, the road force balancer which we got done at America's Tire! On Next Week's episode, we will be installing a Skyjacker Suspensions 4 inch dual rate coil spring lift kit to help get this build along. Be sure to subscribe to our channel and check out our Instagram to join us along for this adventure. #Garagecouple
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Great video, I love the wheel, they are beautiful but in my opinion they will look better on a sport car, now the Patagonias are awesome, I had 38s and now 40s, Keep up the great videos 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you for the comment! That sounds amazing, 40s! Love your videos too! What an inspiration! Cheers and hope you and loved ones are safe!
Hi thanks for your response. I am in Connecticut. Love you guys. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the support! God bless
Awesome. First video i seen by you guys. What a lucky guy to have a significant other interested in this type of stuff. I wish!
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This is awesome, thank you for making the video. About to fit 38's to mine, how did the gearing handle the bigger tires?
Great Video, such a massive 38s , keep going on . Greeting from Panama country (Saludos desde Panamá)
Thank you! CHeers!
Love the video! Subscribed
Thanks for the support!
You guys are great. I love your content. My wife and I are new to the Jeep world. We have a 1979 cj7 and a 2021 sahara tj having a blast.
New subber here, love the channel.
I just got a 1988 yj. I am putting on the 38/38 weber . And getting it ready for spring adventure:).
That sounds awesome! Welcome!
awesome video. i would definitely do a suspension lift with maybe a small body lift for a tummy tuck. ready to see what happens!
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Love the vid subscribed
Love the content! I'm currently saving for a jeep jk which will be my first car purchase. Do you guys have any advice when searching?
Thats an amazing first car! Just be sure to do a thorough inspection when you go to buy and also shop around and try to find the best deal as possible! Check our our video on buying a used wrangler for our PDF checklist :)
Great video! Is this going to be a dedicated trail rig? I need new tires for my JK soon and I’m digging the Milestar Patagonia, but I am curious how much tread life to expect.
Hi! Thanks for the support! It will most likely be our weekend cruiser/ trail rig! I think they are pretty good tires and from what we hear they last a while if you rotate them every 3-5,000 miles! Small price to pay for the amazing tires + the bonus that they are SILENT
Love the video of the lift! 🤙🏻where in CA are you guys?
Are those Metalcloak fenders the base Arched tube fenders or did you add a 4" or 6" flare to them as well? Asking cuz they look freaking great!
They are the 4 inch arched..They are amazing, favorite part on the rubicon!
Best video yet!
Thank you for the support!
I’m looking to do a 2.5” lift and 35’s on my stock 2004 tj, any suggestions? Good idea? We will seeeee
You might need to trim the fenders or do a body lift but it can be done
I like that you guys do most of the work yourself and all the mods that you’ve done however why don’t we ever see you guys out on the trail and get to see your Jeep on some rocks
Nice video, so what are you going to do with the stock Rubicon wheels? giveaway?
Thats what we were thinking! We hear there is some value in the stock moab rims..any idea on the price? Makes the give away that much sweeter!
I run Dyna Beads in my mud tires and can’t speak highly enough about the way they perform. The problem with Road Force balancing is yes their balanced now while new but as tires wear or a lug gets ripped gravel mud etc gets hung in lugs now it’s out of balance that’s where the Beads shine. A lot of people put BBs or cheap beads in and have subpar results. But if a high quality bead is used the results are amazing. Just my experience on the subject. I enjoy your channel.
It's gonna get expensive....., put 35's and 2 1/2 lift and it will look nice! put the 38's on the JK...
Thanks for the feedback! We will build up this rubicon in future videos, but just because, we will also put the 38s on the JK to see how it looks!
How did you get those e8s to fit eithoyt a lift kit ???
Hello guys. Thanks for the vids. You always have awesome content. I am new to the Jeep scene. I bought a 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L (is that a TJ?). It's all stock so I want to lift it 4" and put 33's on it. It currently has 16" rims on it that look exactly like the ones you took off in this vid. I am trying to find a fifth one for the spare (anyone please help) but can't find one anywhere. What kind and size tire can I put on my stock 16" rim?
You can put up to 35s. Where are you located? Happy to give you our fifth! Thanks for your support!
@@Garagecouple If your the rims you took off are 16", I would happily pay for one - shipping and all.
Lol dude that looks awesome !!
It really does!
Can’t wait to see them on the JK
We are stoked! I think they will look amazing on the JK! It might not be a bad idea to keep it on the JK, but the MPG and regear will get expensive! Cheers and thanks for the support!
That is impressive! I recently went up to 35s on my TJ (I have been overbuilt on my 33s for a while!) and I can safely say that lifting 35's is no easy task. I do not want to go taller just because they are so heavy as is, haha! I'd never be able to put a spare on!
Amazing! We have 35s on our sahara..we love them! Cheers and enjoy!
Great vid! I have an ‘06 Jeep, red and reminds me of mine. I was on the same boat if 35s will fit w/out the lift. It worked perfectly, but I added a 2.5” lift, and it looks way better. Watching your vids gives me some good ideas. Thanks!
Amazing! Glad to hear it worked out! Cheers and stay safe!
Only 2.5” of lift on 35’s. Dam you must have a lot of bumpstop. You really need 4” and 1.25” body lift
I bet with true highline fenders, 1.25" body lift, and possibly a 3" suspension lift, and a really long bumpstop, you could run it. But then your axles are gonna say goodbye. I look forward to seeing your supporting mods!
Thanks for the comment! Stay tuned!
What video is the headlight restoration you did on that truck? Or still to come😅
Its in one of the follow up videos of the plastic restorer!
Can you road force ballance at any America's Tire?
I would call before and make sure they have the road force balancer! I don't think they all have it!
38's!! Woot!!
The best!
Adjustable control arms help fit larger tires, even without lift. Move the rear axle back a bit. Watch clearance between the axle and fuel tank. Trim the lips of the wheel wells and prime/paint.
Nice nice!
Those look amazing!! what is the biggest size that you would recommend for a 2000 TJ 2.4?
Thats tough, we have never owned a 2.4 tj.. so can't make any recommendations
@@Garagecouple did you all regear the Rubicon
@@joshgeiser1850 nope. Stock 4.10s
Being its a 2.4 it should have 4.10 gears in it. 4.10 are more than capable for 33 inch tires. However because it's a 2.4 you have a Dana 35. Wouldn't recommend anything bigger than a 33 unless you upgrade to chromoly shafts front and rear and even at that I wouldn't go bigger than a 35.
Kitten Manly thank you! I did replace it with a Dana 44
how’d you get the rims to fit since those rims come in a 5x127 bolt pattern ? i love the look and would love them on my tj
We used adapters from rocktrix rims!
Garage Couple sweet thanks for the help !
@@Garagecouple what offset the make +12 and - 12 on your wheel options .
I have a 1999 jeep tj what would I need for make these wheels work on my jeep.
Wheel adapter!
Jeep Wheels where there is a shortage of choices: Smooth old school, solid wheels, Boyd Coddington "flat top" wheels are perfect. Classic Jeeps need these in 17x 7' with 5 on 4.5 patterns
Nice tj. What fenders are those?
Metalcloak high rise
I love this channel !!! I just installed the motofab lift on my jk . Your video on it was incredible! Cheers 🍻
Thank you so much! Brought a smile to our face! Cheers
What else did you do to the tj to be able to handle those tires?
Spacers and fenders. Thats it for now. Will be doing much more over the coming weeks
Perhaps 5.13 regear and 6 inch long arm so you can get the tires out of the wheel wells and have a reasonable amount of articulation.
Didn't have to do that
Hey guys, how big are your wheels spacers?
2 inches
If you got fuel wheels you wouldn’t need spacers! Haha I have both patterns on mine. Cool vid though! Subscribed!
Not a big fan of fuel wheels, and there is nothing wrong with using spacers! Gives you more options down the line! Thank you for your support!
@@Garagecouple spacers suck. Proper offset ftw
A high quality set of spacers will last the vehicle a lifetime when properly installed. Have over 250k miles on jeeps cumulatively driven with 2.5 inch spacers. 0 issues
Random but may be highly significant: please look up using an impact gun on spacers on wheels- In my research the way to have issues with wheels coming off and damaging them is to use an impact gun instead of using a Torque Wrench set to the specific required torque so they aren't loose or too tight. Especially installing spacers. I may be wrong, but I have watched a LOT of videos that say that you shouldn't be using the gun because that increases the chances of damaging and adding dangerous stress to the spacers. Just wanted to have you look into it and be careful... Thanks
It looks amazing!
Just saw your edit! Will do! Have used an impact on spacers for hundreds of thousands of miles. Thanks for the heads up!
I have a body lift on my Jeep and From experience I’m saying just buy a big lift kit, I hate my body lift I wish I didn’t have it but I love my actual suspension lift I’d just get the suspension lift u won’t regret it
Thanks for the tip. We love our 1.25 inch body lift!
What axles do you have on there?
Rubicon 44s
Lift kit ✌
Check out our lift video
Looks good 👍
Thank you!
Thats just crazy guys.They may fit but man there is no room and you will have to change alot just to drive it.Question are my eyes deceiving me was ryan driving that pickup on the right hand side?
Thanks for the comment! For some reason our new camera gear is inverting the image! Greg was driving on the right side :)
Garage Couple lol ok just thought you had a truck from overseas..lol
Would be cool lol!
I wanna see you drive it around a corner, lol.
Stay tuned
Where did you find a $4k Rubi and how can I?
You have to look around for a while and negotiate when you find it!
Do you really believe that they got this TJ Rubicon for $4k? Whoever was the seller must have not known the current market value...
@@blueweb00 Lots of times you get clueless people that just daily it or whatever, and figure, "Well, a 15 year old car sells for around $4000, so I'll list my jeep at $5000."
It was listed for more than double what we purchased it for! Don't be afraid 5o bargain
@@Garagecouple that's awesome
can you drive it without the lift?
It rolled! Lol
Did I miss it or did you just not mention the metal cloak fenders? There is no way this would fit with no lift without the amazing after market fenders.
We mentioned it :)
That's funny 😁
Love the videos! For being the Garage Couple, y’all gotta work on updating your garage!
Thats funny! Thanks for the support! Any suggestions?!
Dunno what worms for y’all, I’ve been thinking of lighting and epoxy floor for mine.
Nice!
Good first car for a high school student?
Absolutely! Best one!
An oldman emu 2 inch lift kit will work fine
Stay tuned!
If you left those on torque down those spacers
Yep!
The fenders are pretty cut out already lol
Yes
I've got about $35k in parts on my TJ to run 37s even slightly correctly, and that's still on a short arm suspension and D44s! Best of luck
Thanks!
37s+ don't belong on stock tj axles at all. Its time for one tons.
Once these dana 44s break, you can rest assured we will drop in 1 tons (or more) lol!
Dana 44's will be fine with 37" tires! Sleeves and gussets all you need and regear to compensate for taller tire! One tons are for anything bigger than 37's!
@@dred5375 Not really. The axle tube isn't the issue so sleeves, gussets, trusses, don't do anything but add weight. The outers can't handle 37s because TJ 44s are hybrids with Dana 30 outers. 37s will tear apart ball joints, hubs, and outer Cs all day long
@@adamnichols7746 ok, I'll agree to disagree! I've personally had different experiences! Synergy makes a helluva good ball joint along with my teraflex high steer kit I've had great luck!
I guess we will find out wont we? Stay tuned!
Road force balancing doesn't take any weights? Your driverside rear tire has 3 and a half rows of weights.
Yup! Usually they don't take any weights is what we were told. They had to add some weights to give us a perfect balance. So far. So good.
Вы такие классные, позитивные,с удовольствием смотрю ваши фильмы, спасибо вам , счастья и успехов вам!!!
Thanks for the support
You remind me of a character name Dina from The Last Of Us 2.
Interesting
They fit but you cannot drive it and you needed wheel spacers? I think it's fair to say they didn't fit. Great video you guys, lots of fun, I enjoyed it! I was hoping she would fit inside the tire and he would roll her around the garage ha ha.
Spacers are benign. Have used them for half a million miles. They do fit though.
Sell tires on this video. Sell lifts on the next video. Brilliant
When you got truck stuff to do, look no further than the Tundra!!! 🙂
Hey instead of getting spacers, why not just buy a wider rim with the offset you're looking for?
There is no difference between running a spacer or finding the rim with the exact offset. It's very difficult to find rims with the exact offset. Spacers allow flexibility in choosing rims
@@Garagecouple yeah I get that. You might find a rim with the right offset, but an ugly design. I would just be scared of sawing off the original studs to put spacer on. I have 2" spacers on my duramax and running 20x12 with a -44 offset. So I'm not 100% against spacers, I just dont like the fact you have to cut the studs that you're mounting too.
Great videos btw. I'm buying a wrangler next week. Watching your vids help me decide on what mods I want and also where to get them.
Tires don’t cause death wobble. A shake or shimmy sure but don’t say death wobble.
Death wobble is a subjective word. Thus its appropriately used.
Then you have never experienced death wobble.
Video titled no lift kit with skyjacker boxes in the in the background of the garage .. it was all I could do to watch this couple without becoming so nauseous I had to take a break.. no drive footage meaning I can run 44's on my Honda Element with no mods ... Thanks for the worthless video 👍🏼
Appreciate the worthless comment 🙂 😌
time for a regear
Stay tuned!
Love your vids. Just a word of advice, you need to look down the barrell when you record yourself speaking. You're always looking off to the side and not into the camera. It's really off-putting. What is off to the side that you're always looking at?
Thanks for the tip
What a waste of time. I skipped to the end to see if you were going to try to drive it like that. I'll assume the 38's are for another Jeep since you can return tires once they're mounted.
Stay tuned!
Dropping to 30psi? 🤣🤣 on a tire that size on a TJ you should be running like 15-18psi street pressure max?
Ehh, the age old debate. I'll go with what the manufacturer recommends
Garage Couple The point is ride quality. You’re going to have one hell of a squirrely ride, and in turn bash on whoever gave you your shocks because your ride quality sucks from over inflating your tires.
Hell no, body lift is the worst thing you can do, makes it look like crap with a 3 inch gap between your frame and body and they are sketchy. 6inch Lift kit would be your best bet
1.25 inch body lift = gold
Those wheels need more back space
If they stick out any more I won't fit in a lane lol
@@Garagecouple I'm working on a tj on 37 had to get different wheels but I have 2 inch spacers
Great video but it’s “wheels” not rims
If you spent another $15,000 you could then drive it.
Thanks for the comment! Fortunately not!
@@Garagecouple 1 ton Axles, gears, brakes, hydro steering, suspension ... seems like 10-15K to me.
Guess you'll have to stay tuned to see the #garagecouple way!
Why the need for 1 tons? Build the stock D44s, don’t need a full hydro steering just a cheap budget hydro assist, do some diy 1 ton steering, and a 4” suspension lift 2” body lift I’d say $5000
Thanks for the suggestion! Stay tuned for that!
me gusta tu programa tienes una mujer muy hermosa
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4” TeraFlex lift kit
Close! You can see the kit in the background! Stay tuned!
I would say 6" would be better for 38s
Stay tuned!
Sorry but that was dumb. No tire larger than 35’s should go on ANY Jeep stock axles. You need One tons for any tire larger than 35”. Even for a 35” tire you really need 4” of lift and 1.25” body lift. I’d recommend a 4” Savvy or Currie lift with a savvy 1.25” body lift. Nothing but the best all other lift kits don’t compare and are trash. My Savvy lift is the best.
Also those metalcloak front fenders actually limit flex compared to other high line fenders.
Thank you for your opinion. Unfortunately, you missed the entire point of the video. The question is, do they fit? Not anything related to what you have projected above. Happy jeering.
You told your viewers 38’s are drivable with a little cutting. That is not true at all. Don’t give wrong information out.
It is drivable with cutting! I didn't say its off road capable or a rock crawler!
It is not drivable at all. Those Dana 44 axles will break and you will cost your viewers a ton of money.
38’s stock with no lift means you have stock gears and the jeep will be a dam turtle with a bunch of things rubbing. You need at least 5.25” of lift to even run 35’s correctly.
First and foremost tire balancing WILL NOT cause death wobble. Second those tires will fi and clear on the road with a proper highline fender up front and a good tub trim in the back this will never work offroad without some serious suspension mods like setting it up for a droop style suspension. Real highlines and 3.5” suspension lift and all will be well in the world.
Balancing is one of the culprits to death wobble. Ask us how we know! Lol. Anyways, stay along for the adventure, this is just the start of this build.
Furthermore a road force balance is a total waste of money on a Jeep. Balance beads and be done. I am running equal now and have run airsoft BB’s in the past and both don’t care if the tire spins in the bead on the trail they are always balanced. Your Road Force balancing will need redone the first time you spin a bead. 🤦🏼♂️
I followed the official recommendations of the manufacturer of the tire. Thats how we roll!
Death wobble is not caused by poorly balanced tires period. If you think it is you are extremely misinformed. The cause of death wobble is worn suspension components and the leading cause is improper Castor settings. If you thought it had something to do with balancing then you probably had a wheel not installed correctly and got it right after the balance job. I’ve been working on solid front axle vehicles for 25+ years and never once has tire balance caused death wobble. Mater of fact I’ve run numerous sets of tires that have never even been balanced and guess what no death wobble.
Death wobble is a subjective term. It is caused by a number of different issues. First thing to check is the low hanging fruit such as balance and alignment. We had an issue with death wobble that resolved with a re balance.
If you can’t drive it, then they don’t fit. I have 38s on my LJ. You won’t even be able to turn that Jeep as it sits.
Appreciate the comment..They fit physically, technically.
Good content but the video is waaayyy to long. maybe 10min should be good.
Appreciate your feedback!
Hey guys, so if they fit but you can't drive it that's called they don't f****** fit.
The question was simply do they fit, not do they work :)
If you want to grenade your driveline, this is how you do it.
Driveline upgrades as well as a full dual rate suspension kit will be installed in future videos! Stay tuned for the ride!
You should Join Wranglertjforum.com and do lots of research.
Responded to your other comment :thumbup:
Really...if you cant drive it they dont fit. Plus it needs te be regeared.
Doesn't *NEED* to be regeared! But depending on what its used for it might be important! You're correct 🍺
@@Garagecouple YES IT DOES NEED TO BE REGEARED. Based on people in the know if you go digger than 33 inch tires you NEED to regear or your shit wont last long.
I will agree to disagree with you. Our green TJ has 35s with the manual and 3.73s and it has over 260k miles driven with that setup. You don't need to regear. Anyways, we prefer the jeep without a regear anyway. To each their own. We love jeeps and respect the way everyone mods their jeeps, even if they put 30 inch rims etc.
@@cabinetmaster44 Regearing is a 'good' thing, but it can drive and do well without regearing. I personally wouldn't want to use them without regearing, but there is absolutely no 'need' to regear. If anything, regearing would do MORE damage, as the pinions get much smaller, things are spinning faster, etc. Taller gears (lower number) are actually stronger than lower gears (higher number).
Cheers!
And good bye stock differentials lol
Hopefully the dana 44s can hang!
Nice street princess rims .for the mall crawler
Nice
Misleading people who don't know how much you have to do to run 38's, ie gears, axles, lift, cutting, flashcal, etc. Just stop, you clearly know nothing about what your trying to do. People you can't run 38's on a stock jeep!
Lol! You're telling us (who have put 10k miles on our jeep tj with 38s) without half of those mods. 🍺
Let me save you 21 minutes, they don’t drive anything and there’s 4 ads.
Enjoy
Nice
Lol. You didn't drive it I hope. You'll never turn.
Well, now we know what this channel is about... this is a click bait video that could have been answered with a tiny amount of research of the TJ platform.
Running anything that sacrifices stock travel isn’t worth it for most scenarios.
We enjoyed making this video. 🙌
Those are wheels not rims!
Educate us
Actually the rubber thing is a TIRE!
It only fit Because of the aftermarket metal cloak fenders and fender flares pretty sure that wouldn’t work with factory
The question was, do 38s fit with the stock suspension..not do 38s fit on a stock tj. Youre correct, they don't fit stock flares.
The jeep wrangler is one of the most capable off-road vehicles on the planet and now you’re gonna rip the fenders off when you hit a speed bump🤦🏻♂️
Yup. But they fit! You missed the point :)
@@Garagecouple Actually, he's right and you're missing the point. "You can get them on there" and "they fit" are totally different sports. From a mechanical perspective, you're going about your build backwards.
We can agree to disagree :)
They fit, but you can't drive it. The answer is no.
The answer is its complicated haha
@@Garagecouple the answer is more tools required! Lol
Wrong wheel spacing.
Elaborate
I'm about to slap 37's.
They didn't have 38's
Nice how do you like them
@@Garagecouple I'm actually taking it slow.. right now im installing 4inch lift kit as we speak. Rough Country's cheapest item $545.. once I raise the jeep first then I'm going to install the 37s. I'm sure I will have to make some spacer adjustments etc.. will let u know the outcome!!!
Very nice! Sounds like a fun Friday project!
@@kkim1177 well how did it turn out?
@@JeepTrailsandBarbells welll.....I'm at the regearing phase right now. Just lifted the jeep 4 inches, bumpy as hell. Been diagnosing the problem for a bit. I think I figured it out. Got new ball joints, new front and rear driveshaft, etc. Regearing it right now.. once done with regearing, I have to weld the gusset and truss. Then I can slap the 37's on my TJ with a freaking dana 30 on the front.
I dont know why I do this to myself
stop it
Lol
Your gas millions sucked with stock tires now it will suck twice as bad.
Yeah we didn't buy this for our gas millions