The 2023 Pioneer Hour Reduction | When God Changes His Mind

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  • Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2024

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  • @madamecurious
    @madamecurious Год назад +48

    I remember when pioneers had to do 100 hours - it was grueling!!
    I never pioneered, I thought: “it’s too much for me, I can’t do it - Jehovah understands.”
    Phew, I’m so glad I didn’t waste my
    time … 😅

    • @kevink2593
      @kevink2593 Год назад +2

      Do be grateful that you're a young madame, in Judge Rutherford's time the minimum was 150! 😊(check out the 1940s vintage clips at about 2:45 and 7:50 of the video)

    • @madamecurious
      @madamecurious Год назад +3

      @@kevink2593 , I did not know that! It’s incredible how many burdens these unscrupulous
      men put on the shoulders of their followers!

    • @kevink2593
      @kevink2593 Год назад +9

      @@madamecurious ...and it wasn't Proclaiming the Kingdom that was uppermost on Rutherford's mind. When my dad pioneered in the 1940s, they called them "colporteurs". If you look up the word, it means book peddler. And that's just the business model the Judge had in mind: print tons of books with cheap volunteer Bethel labor, shame people into knocking on doors night and day to peddle them, make plenty of money, and build out from there. Only now the internet and modern life has blown that model up, and along with it, exposed WT for how it operates, and why..

    • @madamecurious
      @madamecurious Год назад +6

      @@kevink2593, thanks for sharing this!! it’s mind boggling how JWs in the Rutherford era could not see this! It was so obvious that he was a charlatan and conman.
      The 8 conceited men who are the leaders now contributed to me “waking up”. Phew! I’m glad I’m out and I am happy you are too :)

    • @thomash.schwed3662
      @thomash.schwed3662 Год назад +1

      @@kevink2593 That, to me, was the irony reading that page from the 1935 “Year Book”. Yes, I actually paused the video as Phil had the screenshot up. Rutherford had the gall to, not once, but twice on that page, say that Jehovah’s witnesses are not “book agents” or “booksellers”. Not too long before this, the term for “pioneer” was indeed “colporteur”, which comes from a French word the literal definition of which is “bookseller”. The Society, for many years, continued to actually refer to the placing of its publications as “selling books”. Prior to April 1, 1990, the suggested contribution was, in effect, a price tag. I remember that that catalogue the Society provided literature servants, magazine-territory servants and accounts servants was entitled the “Cost List”, and the Society instructed these servants to destroy it each year as the new edition was issued. (Talk about destruction of documents!) I also remember when the literature servant and the magazine-territory servant carried a till and, of course, the Society’s “Receipt” forms, to be filled out in triplicate, inside a file case. The Society is thoroughly a sales organization.

  • @lane6216
    @lane6216 Год назад +21

    “Company Publisher.” Man, they were really right out front with it back then!

  • @steann1
    @steann1 Год назад +15

    That Stephen Lett clip just gets better and better..
    In the 60’s they were saying it’s the end of the week.. the evening of the last day of the week..
    .. and now it’s..
    Shortly before the last day of the last days..
    It’s just like the ‘Free Beer Tomorrow’
    sign in Cheers….
    .it’s always the day before tomorrow.

  • @raysamuels9791
    @raysamuels9791 Год назад +14

    I remember several pioneers being upset when the hour requirement dropped to 70 because they thought we should be working harder in the ministry... I haven't heard that complaint from anyone this time. Deep down, everyone knows the ministry is completely pointless.

  • @israelcunningham9141
    @israelcunningham9141 Год назад +13

    I love your subtle sarcasm. Always appreciate your videos.

  • @markweatherill
    @markweatherill Год назад +19

    A brilliant presentation. But that 1943 article, written as if it's a lost chapter of Genesis, that is incredible!

  • @governingbodylanguage2025
    @governingbodylanguage2025 Год назад +21

    Thanks Phil!
    It hit me hard to think of my grandparents and the pressure they felt to go peddling when they had little children!
    It's no wonder the JWs create narcissists. Those children were abused thru neglect so badly by their parents ignoring them to preach Knorr's(Franz's) word! Arrrgh!!!

  • @haan3549
    @haan3549 Год назад +28

    I think they lowered the numbers because there was a rush of pioneers during COVID because you basically didn't have an hourly requirement and you could just sit home, dressed from the waist up, and pretend to letter write. Now that they have to actually do something, they know they will loose a lot so they wanted to make it as easy as possible and as you mentioned the cart and working at projects would fill that hourly requirement easily.

    • @kevink2593
      @kevink2593 Год назад

      It'll also work better for those who have seasonal jobs; work full-time during busy months, then put in up to 100 hours if you're used to that in slack months. That'll appeal to some JWs.

  • @annderby6295
    @annderby6295 Год назад +27

    It's admirable that you continue to post well researched videos after starting your channel some time ago.

  • @bygeorgehemayberite8385
    @bygeorgehemayberite8385 Год назад +3

    I’m literally shocked they used the terminology “company” vs. congregation. I find out something new about the history of this religion dang near every day.

  • @JS4192
    @JS4192 Год назад +14

    So informative and funny! Thank you Phil!

  • @haan3549
    @haan3549 Год назад +10

    Thanks for all your research!!!

  • @summerseverson1267
    @summerseverson1267 Год назад +6

    Brilliant ❤

  • @Former2freeExjw
    @Former2freeExjw Год назад +5

    I pioneered when it was 70 hours a month. That was back in 99-01

  • @canoenut
    @canoenut Год назад +6

    Amazing analysis Phil! Loved your non-sarcastic tone...

  • @Sn0wflake.1
    @Sn0wflake.1 Год назад +6

    Great video 👍

  • @haan3549
    @haan3549 Год назад +17

    When I pioneered it was 90 hours...I could do 50 hours with my eyes closed 😂. Good point, aren't we in the last last last days, yup, lower the hour requirement, that'll do it 👍

  • @M-n-K
    @M-n-K Год назад +7

    Great video Phil 👏

  • @pamelaruth7400
    @pamelaruth7400 Год назад +7

    Great video!

  • @steann1
    @steann1 Год назад +7

    When they heard the news I just bet that the pioneers were running along the beach in their suits and ties just jumping for joy..
    .. thank you god..
    They can always keep doing 70.. if they really want to show god they love him..
    .. just like the bank loans..
    CANCELLED, but keep sending..more
    HOURS REDUCED.. sign more up.. keep sending hours.. but more.

  • @lancerchoate3342
    @lancerchoate3342 Год назад +4

    Great video, love the research and mild sarcasm.

  • @haan3549
    @haan3549 Год назад +4

    Franchise location 🤣😂😄...nice!!!

  • @asapstan
    @asapstan Год назад +4

    I was a born in up until I left when I was 21.my average hours was about 5hours a month.and I only got 10 hours 1 time. I could not imagine doing that crap for 150 hours a month that's insane

  • @MoureeneTaylor
    @MoureeneTaylor Год назад +2

    Silly Philly!
    Seriously enjoyed this one. I've had to slow down on keeping up on the nonsense because it's all so nerve-wracking but I do like your intelligent humor. Thank you

  • @jamesgastaldo4710
    @jamesgastaldo4710 Год назад

    You're videos are great, and the research kills me . I hated even doing a 5 minute talk !!! Keep up exposing hypocrisy !

  • @michaelcampbell8382
    @michaelcampbell8382 Год назад +4

    Concise, factual and straightforward.
    Absolutely love your videos Phil.

  • @mrbizness1
    @mrbizness1 Год назад +6

    Great analysis. Love your videos.

  • @Digidab
    @Digidab Год назад +3

    Thank You interesting Stuff !

  • @toddhayes3506
    @toddhayes3506 Год назад +4

    Great Job Happy New Year

  • @ismaelamadot3893
    @ismaelamadot3893 Год назад +2

    Thank you brother. Well researched information and video. Continue in your efforts. Many blessings from Jehovah and Christ. Amador, Kingdom Christian from sunny Puerto Rico.

  • @robynbass9636
    @robynbass9636 Год назад +3

    Thanks Phil for all that OLD info. put nicely in order. Yeh, if the G\B really believed that the end was imminent as they keep telling their sheep, then they should be increasing the pioneer hours, not reducing them, & then relying on jeh. to help the pioneers attain their hours. After all, the need to find right hearted people is pressing, before the end comes & nobody wants to have blood on their hands, because they haven't done the most they possibly can to save these ones. CULT MUCH.

  • @jenniferbaglia
    @jenniferbaglia Год назад +12

    Hi Phil, Great content! I thoroughly enjoy your videos, they are very informative and very funny! I have watched many and I always learn something I never knew as an unbaptized JW(born in), I left many years ago in my late teens or early 20's. I knew many of the people you have spoken about in your previous videos. My family attended the Jamestown West congregation for many years and the Conewango congregation before that. I don't remember you or your family, but I didn't attend very regularly in the late 90's, so maybe we were there at different times or maybe I had completely stopped going by then, I can't remember. My maiden name was Carlson. My brother is still a witness and my parents both passed away as full believers. My sister and I are the only non witnesses in our immediate family. Just some background for you, not that you need to know, but I wanted you to know a bit. I appreciate your take on things. So many things you have said resonate with me. Keep up the great work, I will be watching!

    • @blitzblutz
      @blitzblutz Год назад +1

      Your not Randy's sister, are you?

    • @jenniferbaglia
      @jenniferbaglia Год назад +1

      @@blitzblutz No I'm not

    • @theblueenvelope
      @theblueenvelope  Год назад +3

      Cool! My roommate married Kelly Carlson. Can't quite remember her parents' names.

  • @aryastark1914
    @aryastark1914 Год назад +6

    I wonder if the decrease in 2004/5 had to do with a letter to elders addressing the PINO (pioneers in name only) phenomenon where some pioneers were getting all their hours in on RBC projects and even some signing up to pioneer only because of their RBC hours

  • @genewashington1502
    @genewashington1502 Год назад +22

    40 hours a month in the year 2040? Wait, won’t Armageddon be here by then? Aren’t we living “in the final part of the final part of the last days”? It is so obvious that Watchtower is just a corporation masquerading as a religion. It is all about numbers for them.

  • @finnguy9096
    @finnguy9096 Год назад +1

    Just one clarification: The non-preaching hours are kept separate from the preaching tally so they don't show up in the report. But they of course make up a big chunk of many pioneers requirement, especially males. So if there's increase in Bethel activity, it can distort the preaching numbers in a weird way. The org hopes to keep it at a minimum, but of course the brothers will usually be more than happy to do organizational work rather than just preach for hundreds of hours.
    When I was a Bethel commuter, I put my Bethel hours on the backside of the report slip and field hours to the front. Only those front hours get sent to the Branch. Then at the end of the year, your field hours are tallied with your Bethel hours to see if you made your requirement. Maybe that is forwarded to the branch, can't remember. But I think those numbers are never published. And non-pioneers can't even report those on their reports, so they are lost forever. And if I remember correctly, my year requirement was cut from 840 to 780 to allow me to have some holiday since you can't report over the monthly requirement if you have other assignments in the hours.

  • @Dalife
    @Dalife Год назад +16

    50? We had to do 100!

    • @freespirit3891
      @freespirit3891 Год назад

      Yep 60's and 70's, after that no idea when or why they reduced it.

    • @austinhowley3907
      @austinhowley3907 8 месяцев назад

      -wait, you guys are getting paid ?? lol

  • @jamireed2976
    @jamireed2976 Год назад +1

    Excellent review of information! 🥰😄

  • @laymanphil8513
    @laymanphil8513 Год назад +11

    The "end" is so imminent that instead of accelerating down the home stretch, the Watchtower god is only decreasing the number of hours to pioneer. This fundamentalist cult no longer resembles anything in the image of its absurd "elastic" generation. This cult is slowly dying before our eyes.

  • @ld87111
    @ld87111 Год назад +2

    Fantastic analysis!

  • @lonster3000
    @lonster3000 Год назад +1

    60 hours!?!! I can remember when auxiliary pioneers had to put in 60 hours. I wish I had all those hours I wasted back.

  • @sidvicious647
    @sidvicious647 Год назад +2

    It's like your boss telling you that your hours are reduced but you'll receive the same pay,of course the jdubs are gonna rejoice at this crumb they've been thrown !!!

  • @alphaspearl9728
    @alphaspearl9728 Год назад +5

    The sarcasm is killing me hahaha

  • @lady_wasser
    @lady_wasser Год назад +1

    Amazing video and research ! Thank u

  • @boadiceawarrior4897
    @boadiceawarrior4897 Год назад +2

    Slowing their roll in these final part of the last of the last of the last days on the toenails of Daniel’s image. LOL. Taking their time rescuing folks from a burning building eh?

  • @robertlutz5757
    @robertlutz5757 Год назад +2

    Sehr interessant.
    Ich bin gespannt, wie sich diese Religion nach Covid entwickelt.
    Viele Königreichssäle stehen zum Verkauf.

  • @katew.9402
    @katew.9402 Год назад

    Great video, thanks!

  • @kingofthedots3835
    @kingofthedots3835 Год назад +2

    Currently witnessess are in the process of calling faders telling them that the end is so near that they need to get back immediately ....fact ....in one case that I personally know about ,someone who I did shepherding calls on in the early 90s has retired and moved the Fort Meyers ,and now become active and zealous and calling people a thousand miles away ......can you tell how much I'm laughing at this shear stupidity .....I honestly don't know if I should be angry or pity him 😬😬😬😬

  • @AGoddess
    @AGoddess Год назад

    ty!!

  • @lh1673
    @lh1673 Год назад +5

    GB: Time is Money but we can’t win the rise of ages. Most pioneers are in their 60, 70, and 80s. Let’s see how they can continue, OH! Reduce the time, Jah, is it okay? Jah: yah, good idea cuz I’m planning to withhold Armageddon, let them still work(preach)😅

  • @rockpadstudios
    @rockpadstudios Год назад +3

    I tried to get 10 and that was painful.

  • @zemuellerz
    @zemuellerz Год назад

    Wow fantastic video. So much I didn’t know and when collated in this manner it’s even more of a joke.

  • @xxxxyz854
    @xxxxyz854 Год назад +1

    At Jerico the Jews were allowed to skip around the walls to relieve the boredom.
    Jehovah's hand is now a short hand.
    If you own a covered wagon or an old stereo amp you can be a pioneer.

  • @onsearchfocus
    @onsearchfocus Год назад

    James 1:27 "The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world."
    But you read closer, the subtext is 175 hrs/month placing magazines, I mean 50 hrs/month chatting with your mate around the cart.

  • @ticktock3526
    @ticktock3526 Год назад +1

    Well done video! Interesting the total hours in the ministry went from an average of 1.957 billion from 2012-2019 to an average of 1.531 billion over the last three service years. Also a thought about the decrease in pioneers in 2005 could it be that starting in the year the society started limiting the hours a pioneer could count in the building work? Also there seems to be a drop off in the amount of halls being built around that time. Just a thought. 👍🤔

  • @stefandavenport1588
    @stefandavenport1588 Год назад +2

    With the US economy doing well, and each of the last 12 months having the lowest jobless claims since 1970, "Pioneers" won't waste quite as much of their life by being as poor.
    •• they could really have a full time job.

  • @virginiagirl7014
    @virginiagirl7014 Год назад +3

    I pioneered when it was 90 hrs a month! What a joke pioneering is, it truly means nothing & has no value! I’m hoping this drop in hrs will be a wake up call for some to realize this!!!

  • @lesliethomas7234
    @lesliethomas7234 Год назад +10

    The 2005 marker may be due to Google coming of age. WT hysteria to this phenomenon may have scared its members off cyberspace, resulting in annual increases. This is hardly an educated guess, since it isn't based on much reflection on info during that period.

  • @paulieparty6069
    @paulieparty6069 Год назад

    Hey, the drop-off in 2005 happened because they started counting auxiliary pioneers separately that year.

  • @lh1673
    @lh1673 Год назад +2

    I thought it’s the last of last of last of final part, and WHAT! REDUCE!? No, No, they actually have to INCREASE! Isn’t people’s life at risk? Why reduce😅

  • @LewisC-t1f
    @LewisC-t1f Год назад

    50 hours a month door knocking! 😳 😳 life is already stressful enough working 50 hours a week, and imagine adding an extra 12.5 hours a week, to door knock! 🤦‍♂️

  • @stefandavenport1588
    @stefandavenport1588 Год назад

    Min 4:40 Another inconsistency:
    •• Malachi 3:6 " I am the LORD, I change not "
    •• Hebrews 13:8 " Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever "
    An all knowing deity doesn't change his mind.

  • @Inverted.surfer
    @Inverted.surfer Год назад +1

    Make mine a pie,n,beer !

    • @patriciapitt4228
      @patriciapitt4228 Год назад

      Sure will, would it be either Cold OR hot, can't make it Lukewarm, but You just have to Wait until the LAST OF THE LAST OF THE LAST DAY, all the best for that maybe or perhaps or probably be, tomorrow afternoon Cheers ×3 *.

  • @LoveProWrestling
    @LoveProWrestling Год назад

    God did not change his mind, he responded to the needs of his people under varying circumstances. Gods perfect plan, ran into some unexpected financial shortfalls in the third quarter and therefore unto himself he did make a new plan, more perfect than the first perfect plan. A perfection supercession intercession if you will.

  • @DarthMagog
    @DarthMagog Год назад

    "One of the Society's institutions?" My God, they just straight up admit that this is a cult don't they?

  • @alexanderv7702
    @alexanderv7702 Год назад

    This video is like watching paint dry!

  • @lindiasanders3948
    @lindiasanders3948 Год назад +4

    Pioneers best be trying to find another REAL job instead of SLAVEING for FREE with Watchtower.Watchtower ain't going to pay their rent or mortgage,light bill,water and gas,phone,or buy or give them food to eat.

    • @stefandavenport1588
      @stefandavenport1588 Год назад +2

      With the US economy doing so well, and each of the last 12 months having the lowest jobless claims since 1970, the " Pioneers " could actually, now, have a full time job, and not waste quite as much of their life by being as poor.

  • @kingofthedots3835
    @kingofthedots3835 Год назад

    I think it's highly possible that a perfectly wise God sometimes regrets how he deals with truly stupid imperfect people .....either or whatever he chose to do would be a pointless pursuit !....I am often shocked at how stupid people are ,and it becomes pointless to be angry ,although it is justified !......

  • @nataliegrandauthorofcultgi1231

    👍🏻

  • @amandabomination691
    @amandabomination691 Год назад +2

    Eeeeeek!!! It’s that demonized singing public witness cart!!!

  • @kingofthedots3835
    @kingofthedots3835 Год назад

    The reality is that most witnessess can't count anyway ,so it really doesn't make a twit of difference !.....I personally would take two handicapped people in service every single time .....I knew what they did ....it was definitely not more than me ,but suddenly one is on the Circuit Assembly program being lauded for the 700 tracts he placed in one month ....it didn't happen ....but guess what ?...in Watchtowers fantasy world ,They Don't Care !😂😂👍🥴

  • @lindiasanders3948
    @lindiasanders3948 Год назад

    Watchtower just grappling at things to do or not to do for their members.Watchtower going Crazy 😧 because attorney general in Philadelphia,CSA lawsuites,Members leaveing,And GREAT Pioneering from Utubers like you,Telling the TRUTH about PATHEOLOGICAL LIEING Watchtower.

  • @jerryjamify
    @jerryjamify Год назад +1

    Sounds like door to door life insurance salesman, only the payment is working g for salvation.

  • @peterbunyan3924
    @peterbunyan3924 Год назад

    lt is the cult leaders making it up nothing else.

  • @rois812
    @rois812 Год назад

    7:26 Thank you for reminding me why you're one of my favourite ExJW youtubers. You get an un-sarcastic chef's kiss from me. 😚🤌