Classical Singer First-time HEARING - Jinjer | Pisces (Live). I was not prepared for that!
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- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2020
- My name is Josh. Subtitles:16 languages. I was not prepared for what Tatiana can do. I've never seen a female vocalist do that with her voice. It was a powerful performance and the guitar part was awesome! I look forward to more Jinjer reactions. Thank you for your support.
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This was fantastic to see you running into Tatiana...
Some facts about this:
there is no processing to achieve this voice, there are only some doubles and some slight tuning for the overall sound. This video was meant to introduce the at this time relatively new drummer Vlad a little bit more and this version is a little bit revised in arrangement and style by him and they liked it so much that they made this video. Later they regret a little bit to call it "Live Session" because even its a live sung version in a studio there is some minor post-production what is now mentioned by a lot of reacting people.
Tatiana had never vocal lessons, only some when she was around 8 years old and she got bored by this.
She is able to switch between clear and extreme voice from one line to the next and back and can reach even a much deeper extreme voice than in this video.
Tatiana calls this one of her most personal songs, she is a Pisces and in this video she has even a plug in her right ear tunnel with a fish in it.
Tati said when she has problems with her voice it is easier for her to use the extreme voice than sing higher notes in her clear voice.
There are all 4 fantastic musicians, a fact that often missed because of Tatis voice.
In before corona times they made 150-200 live gigs per anno.
Live they are unbelievable, there energy on stage is beyond compare.
If you want to see more there are two primary suggestions:
"Perennial" live at Wacken 2019 (---> ruclips.net/video/bxi3i9wzQBk/видео.html ) and most recent a one take recording of "Judgement (and Punishment)" (-----> ruclips.net/video/Q5rg_63Shqg/видео.html ). The one take of "Judgement (and Punishment)" is perfect for reactors to see what shes really doing and how effortless and seamless she is able to switch.
Go on with your great work, I love the way you are also going into the vocals and I am always perplex how short your pretty long videos feel because there is never a boring part in it and your honest admiration for other singers makes them fun to look.
Stay safe and healty, best regards from Germany!
Great post.
Extremely interesting. Thank you so much for sharing that! I'm schooled in Megadeth and Pantera to that level LOL. It's called passion, and I appreciate yours. I'm sure a lot of us learned from this comment👍💪
Actually, the "she didn't get any vocal lessons" thing is a misconception spread for shock value. She is getting vocal lessons now before tours and she uploaded stories of it on her Instagram.
@@adecentdelinquent8986 Ohhhh, sorry, I did miss this, need to have a closer look to her Instagramm! Thx for the information/correction.
My last knowledge was from an interview she gave some years ago and said it like I mentioned it.
What that guy said!
That's all her voice, that pedal is just for the guitarist to switch from clean to distortion. You would be blown away if you listen to Who is going to be the one live (ruclips.net/video/U6rv5qi8-8s/видео.html), not just by her but the performance of the whole band
In an interview Eugene the bass player sayd that they put a little bit delay on Tatjanas microphone nothing else.
@@scout8112 Yes it makes it sound bit deeper - but stuff like that male growlers use too.
Female growlers are of course not that rare these days (Arch Enemy...). There are female singers who sound even more brutal (Som Pluijmers, former singer of Cerebral Bore is pretty famous of that) though Tatiana's overall talent level is unmatched by most.
Yes, the pedal is the Distortion from the guitar Player not for the Voice. She can growls from the Deep
Awesome. Thanks
8:37 Josh: She's not even testing her voice at this point, but she got a really good tone, I can tell already, just from these early notes, that she really got a lot of power behind her instrument.
All viewers: You have no idea yet
I've seen Jinjer around ten times live, I guess I have an idea. 😂
All her. Tatiana's a beast.
This never gets old🤣🤣🤣All her own voice👍🏻👍🏻You will see in her live concerts
Purely a guitar distortion pedal. Live concerts are great
This never gets old...🤘😁
You are going to get a lot of suggestions for live stuff. All of it is spectacular, but if you want to really dissect her mechanics you should look at the "Judgement and Punishment" One Take video. It's just her, a microphone and (briefly) a cat.
Great video
And just to clarify, the cat does not sing.
@@tribaltalker1608 Wait, you're telling me the cat doesn't sing? Every time I open that video, I always go to a new tab to continue what I was doing, so I just assumed the cat did the vocals.
@@xtravagentk1275 silly goose lol. The cat only does the intro but it's muted for some reason.
@@cuzidodgebullets6797 Lolol.
She is a master of false cord techniques, she's using her vocal cords very little during the harsh vocals
She's not using them at all; AFAIK, that's all glottal folds & not her vocal chords.
That's why there's no tension (...at all! 🤯) in the sides of her neck why she does that.
Also why she can go right back to her melodic right afterwards
This is quite possibly the most subdued "mind blown" moment I've ever seen.
Dang, it's impressive how quickly you were able to pinpoint her genre through the beginning of this song. Your experience doesn't give much room for surprise which is awesome of you lol
That is 100% Tatiana's voice, there is no processing at all. Her range is incredible. Watch Perennial live at Wacken to her really strut her stuff!!
The producer does double the voice on the track but it is not a mic processing. you can hear when listening with headphones.
The description states there is a bit of doubling etc
Everyone is so taken aback by Tatiana’s voice that people rarely take note of what a great band the rest of Jinjer is!
Thanks for the reaction , if you want to see her on a fairly clean mic watch judgement and punishment 1 take
This is actually a re-recording of an older song, specifically to show off their (at the time) new drummer. So this recording has proper post production polish done to it, like doubled vocal layers in some parts, but if you are asking if she is making the actual growling sound, then yes, yes she does - she's using her vestibular folds, aka false cords for that. Her throat is actually completely relaxed for this, Kardavox Academy has a video going through this song, explaining the technique in more detail with some live examples, but it is basically a completely separate vocal technique to learn and master, where you kinda let the vestibular folds flab around freely. I'd suggest you try Perennial Live at Wacken next, which is more true to a proper live performance with just subtle mixing, but I will also drop my usual starter recommendations in case you want to dive in deeper.
Official video suggestions:
Teacher, Teacher
Perennial
I Speak Astronomy
Pit Of Consciousness
Judgement & Punishment
Cloud Factory
Retrospection
Sit Stay Roll Over
Live suggestions:
Perennial live at Wacken
Who Is Gonna Be The One live
On The Top live in Kiev
Pit Of Consciousness live in Kiev
Judgement & Punishment live in Melbourne
Teacher, Teacher live in Melbourne
Sit Stay Roll Over live in Melbourne
I like this version of the ding better than the original album version. I'm not a fan of the drums and some of the production on the original.
Great post.
Fun reaction - subbed. I've been fortunate enough to see them twice and they are even better on stage. This is one of the few studio videos you'll get recommended for them. Like Nightwish, their concert performances are where it is at. And from what folks who are in the industry have said there isn't much that can be done to alter vocals like this live, especially when mixing them with cleans. Plenty of studio recordings of both male and female growlers have the growling vocals lowered in pitch, but Tatiana goes even lower in live performances of various songs, and sometimes in parts of Pisces as well since she does the growls differently in every performance. Perennial live at Wacken is of a similar level of heaviness to this and with lots of great clean vocal technique - though no belting in that, she switches even faster and there is an impressive held note sequence. Judgement & Punishment one-take vocal performance has great belting and is brand new, which is significant because Tatiana's technique is always growing both in cleans and growls - she does make a small error early in it, but it is still incredibly impressive.
Not an expert, but from what I understand there are two main ways that sounds like that are made. One is using extreme vocal fry, but she has said she's not doing fry screams and the way she describes it (that she feels like she has "two throats" one for cleans and one for growls) sounds like false cord growls. She is self-taught and says she doesn't really know how she does what she does, she just went with whatever worked that didn't hurt her voice, so until she has someone do endoscope video we won't really know for sure. The best way I can explain false cord growls is that the vestibular folds aka false vocal cords close the throat against exhalation. If you try to breathe out while releasing that closure, you'll make a bit of sound. It is a matter of spending months learning how to control that sound to produce words, and then years perfecting that control to be able to sing with it.
There are quite a few women using this technique, though Tatiana is imo the best. I'm not biased at all haha. Floor hasn't specialized as deeply into growls but does use the technique occasionally for example Yours Is An Empty Hope. Spiritbox's Rule Of Nines one-take vocal performance video is a good example of another band who does a great mix of cleans and growls. Otep Shamaya does both too and was one of the early adopters of the technique among female vocalists and inspired Tatiana to sing metal and learn to growl when she was 15 - I'd recommend Ghost Flowers off the Confrontation live DVD. Angela Gossow of Arch Enemy is an OG female growler with demos going back to 1991 and arguably even more beastly with her false cord growls than Tatiana though not as flexible with her growls but doesn't do cleans - We Will Rise live in Tokyo from 2008 is a good example. Alissa White-Gluz the current singer for AE doing Nemesis live at Wacken is a good example of fry screams. The band that paved the way for female growling was Kittie starting in 1996, don't know when their singer started though and haven't found anything by them that makes me feel like I have to recommend it specifically - I feel like the industry wasn't ready for it and their stuff is kinda toned down compared to Angela and Otep, and the later female growlers.
'Curious to know if she can high?' The E5 belt cometh!
there is some polishing.. but that is her voice
I dig this song. Her voice is amazing. Tatiana is beyond talented. But the musicians are PHENOMINAL! I would love to hear an instrumental version.
That voice is all her! She flawlessly and seemingly effortlessly pulls it off live.
I think she only uses some subtle effects like a short delay possibly but that's it.
8:45 "I can tell that she's got a lot of power behind her instrument." The understatement of the century. He has no idea what's in store.
Check out Perennial Live at Wacken or Judgement and Punishment One Take. Both are fairly straight mics. It’s all her. I think it’s a false chord tone she’s using. That’s why she can go from growl to clean with no problem... because she’s not really using the vocal chords for the screams.
How does she vocalize the words without using her vocal chords?
Hi, do reaction video to Perennial, live performance 🤘🖤
And yes, it's absolutely her voice btw
Absolutely loved this reaction even after watching tons of reactions to this video! It’s such an honest reaction and still has appreciation without judgement. I agree with others on here that “perennial” live at Wakken would be the perfect next video. Also love that you went over the lyrics separate from the video itself. Great job!!
This is a one-take live session. No effects apart from a slight doubling in the verses, but not the chorus. It's entirely natural. A few more fun facts - she's 100% untrained, she doesn't practice, she doesn't warm up, she drinks and smokes. Yet her technique is absolutely perfect. Tati is just an anomaly. They are from Ukraine, so Chernobyl may or may not have something to do with it...
false fold growl, she articulated the words with the real ones and yeah its all her own voice, hers truly
Another one bites Tatiana's dust...just cannot believe her growl..Lol!!...
All her. That's why she has such an intense fan base.
THE AGONIST - and Their Eulogies Sang Me to Sleep is another good example of a talented female singer who does clean & harsh vocals well.
That beautiful voice is all her
Yes...it's real. Great reaction. The next logical step to eliminate any doubts would probably be Perennial live @ Wacken 2019. Enjoy your jump down the Jinjer rabbit hole.
Did you guys notice what was automatically going to play next? We did it, boys and girls. The alliance between the Queen of Metal and the Crown Princess, The Nightwish Army and the Jinjerites... Have taught the algorithm that these two belong together.
Hey Josh, I'm not classically trained in singing, just a garage band in the 90s. Watch her head. She positions it well. You'll see she tilts her head forward to help open up the larynx to go deeper, and she probably squeezes her throat tighter for the higher notes. As for the growling, it's not as loud as it sounds. You'll notice she uses the mic very well, getting closer during the growls, so she's actually quieter. And yes, it's all vocal fry. They added a few effects post production and probably another guitar because the distortion fades while he's back to playing the clean - amazing guitar riffs, btw, especially the last one - added some flange or phase to parts of her vocals and some doubling, or just reverb. It's nothing too amazing she's doing, she simply does it very well, although I will say I think it IS in fact amazing that she doesn't wear out her voice - vocal fry can be done safely and I'm she's doing it, but after a full, long concert, I'm surprised she can still sound clean when she wants to. That part is amazing, but the rest is just years of practice.
The pedal you referred to was for the guitar and changes it from clean to distortion.
Scale armor BELIES, not blaze. It fits much better. Tatiana doesn't get enough recognition for her excellent song writing skills, especially since it's not in her native language. She's an extremely gifted lyricist but her incredible range often makes people overlook this side of her.
I think belies is the better lyric but it's kinda settled at this point lol
facebook.com/JinjerOfficial/posts/scale-armor-blaze-a-magnificent-piece-of-art-by-tiiuya-just-wow-and-the-season-o/2338912486133611/
I'd argue blaze is perfect. Because the armor you put up is just for show, it isn't real armor. And no matter how much you pretend to be tough the amor isn't really effective.
@@casonhuffman4466 Interesting. I saw several lyrics sites saying "belies". I'll have to reconsider the meaning of scale armor blaze. I hadn't seen this post by them, thanks for sharing. I still think she's a gifted lyricist especially when you consider English is a second language for her.
No voice changing effects on the microphone.
Her sound is real, no effects (except of layering two recordings at some moments, low and high pitch scream)
She is just using her false vocal cords.
The mic adds to it, because it gives a lot of amplification, so actually the scream does not have to be loud to bring the effect
Welcome to Tatiana's vocal ability. Some of their live pieces are just crazy: she can jump from that growl to full, beautiful alto in less than a second!
She said in a later interview there was only a slight delay on her microphone when they recorded Pisces. And that over her years of singing she has self taught on the guteral voice.
This is her voice 😁 listen more Taty , you opened more interesting about her voice ! Good wishes and respect from Russia ✌
No effects on the microphone watch her at a live concert to prove it.she has been doing this for ten years and uses her false chords.there is layering put on later in some sections but those layers or all her.haha the pedal is for the guitar 😀.it always makes me laugh when people doubt tatiana😀great reaction though👍🏻🤘🏻
That’s all her and she is amazing. Met her seen her live twice... it’s al real. She and they will continue to blow your mind. It’s a journey. I’m subscribing to see where this goes!
That's all her brother, and this is the a chill song for her. Tatiana showcases her talent in song like teacher teacher and perennial.
Really nice to take those lyrics and have a thought for them as well! And now.... back to the pit ;)
It's her voice, it's called the diaphragm technique, it's unique to metal as i understand it. Watch the video: best female vocalists in metal. There you'll see more of it.
OMG he just can’t understand how this is possible!! Lol these are my favorite!!
It's "Scale armor belies", not "blaze".
Tatiana has actually said it's blaze in a instagram stream they had earlier so you and me are both been proved wrong on this
@@helgehansen363 Which actually makes no sense but who am I to question the person who wrote the song
@@Sumoniggro I imagine it as the scale armour being the unskinned fish being cooked
@@politicalgamer9956 well if you break down the words scale armor belies virgin Innocence so the rough exterior is a facade for what truly lies underneath but blaze just grammatically makes no sense but once again she wrote the song and I am not one to question the author
It's blaze. Saw her say it in an interview not long ago.
Loved the lyrics review... and everything else ! Subbed
7 reaction videos deep. "It's almost like a personification of vocal fry." ❤
17:01 Jinjer performance ends. "Wow"
Welcome to the iceberg, me/you/me
welcome to JINJER!
many thanks for your intense REACTION TO THE SONG, and also for the lyrics, Tati all writes herself.
And besides all 4 musicians are world class.
I'm listening to music since about 50 years, and I myself be a musician in different genres, IMO this band is one of a kind!!!!!!!!
Maybe you can do next "JINJER - Perennial (Live at Wacken Open Air 2019) | Napalm Records" and a newer upload:
"JINJER - Judgement (& Punishment) - Tatiana Shmayluk - One Take Vocal Performance"
many greetings from germany and stay safe!
You've got Bob Ross level mellowness. Props.
Can't expect Tatiana. One of a kind.
Hey have been following you lately because of your Nightwish and Dimash reactions. I'm a huge JINJER fan lol and couldn't believe my eyes you did PISCES!! If you're interested in how she does that, I'd recommend her one take in studio "Judgement and Punishment" or the "who's gonna be the one" live. Also, seeing as how you're into analyzing lyrics, I'd recommend you to continue with Jinjer as their lyrics are written by Tatiana and they're all very symbolic. Try "ape", "dreadful moments", "perennial" or "i speak astronomy" for that.
That is her voice
So, that is her actual voice. It's done by growling using your false cords. To see how this is done, basically think of making the sound of a gorilla or a grunt. Your not using your vocal cords at all. If you do, you would damage them. So, basically imitate cookie monster. You form the sounds of the words with the placement of your tongue and the positioning of your soft palate. She is also probably the queen of this style. So, don't be too surprised by her skill at it. The only effects on her microphone by the way is a slight delay. Also, this 'Live' recording session is actually a re-recording of the song using a new drummer. So, you will hear post production vocal dubbing.
It's her. Tatiana is the real deal. Sometimes people forget how good the band is. The musicians are amazing
saw them live September of 2019 and she sounds like that live too
The playback sound you put up for us on our end is the best of all the reactors thank you
Very talented musicians too.
they have said in interviews that the vocals are pure with just a touch of echo
Having the lyrics read off like poetry. Niiice! For me, "Teacher Teacher" is always the next step.
There is a one take of their song Judgement and Punishment that was recently uploaded, if you are interested. 💚🙂
Seconding this recommendation. It's truly impressive.
There is some vocal layering happening in this performance, but all layers are coming from her.
For a demonstration, check out her one-take performance of Judgement (and Punishment). She is a beast of a performer.
This man's talking voice is so gentle... love it.
I laughed out loud he said lightly, “wow.”
This is absolutely all her own voice. She's a beast!
Tatiana is awesome!!
Besides her beatiful clean voice, her growling technic is amazing, i must say she growls even better than some male singers, and supported by a great guitar, amazing bass and powerful drummer, and of course the lyrics (Tatiana writes the lyrical part) you will find more great songs, example:
- judgement & punishment (live-one take)
-waltz (live beastiarium - on studio)
-cloud factory
-retrospection (official video)
-outlander
-on the top
Etc, etc.
Yes!!! You said growl not scream. You are spot on (it's my pet hate). Scream is what you do when Jason enters the room
Perennial live at wacken has interesting lyrics/symbolism as well as a great singing performance.
Saw them live. She is that good. Not to mention, an excellent band
There is some reverb used but that his her voice. If you watch her interviews she does explain how she trained alot to perfect that growl/scream once she figured out she could do it. But she does NOT warm up before shows....which is crazy but no there is no distortion on the mic. She does talk about it in some interviews
JINJER is Metalcore , death metal , progresive Metal !!! greeting from Aregentina !!!
I really enjoyed this reaction. That's all her man. It's amazing isn't it? But yeah, she's not being overloaded with effects or anything. The normal layering stuff but nothing that is changing her actual voice. Extremely talented and extremely beautiful. I'm a guitarist not a singer. But I seen a lot of vocal coaches react to this. They all comments on the way she stands. That she gets good grounding, and that the vocal fry seems to be very healthy, because most people would damage their vocals
I've watched hundreds of pisces reactions......and watching you try to figure out Tatiana's voice, was just entertaining as hell. Lol.
I haven't read the comments, but have fun going downt he Jinjer rabbit hole........you will be amazed with each new song.
It is her voice. The vocal lines are doubled in the clean parts and the growls, but she is still producing it that low without help.
The only effect on Tati's Voice is a slight delay when they perform live and on this session there's bit of layering in post production! That's IT!
Judgement and punishment one take really showcases her live well
Who's go a be the one live. A must watch
Me: oh no another reaction for Pisces. *immediately clicks it*
Nice reaction ! To read the lyrics before listening to the song is a very good idea when exploring the musical universe of Jinjer.
Usual stages of 'Pisces' reactions:
1. what a beautiful voice ... 2. [the face !] ... 3. didn't expect that (optionally: WTF, is that really her ?) ... 4. be fascinated and scared at the same time ... 5. wanting more !
On my first view on that video I guessed the pedal to switch her mic/voice effect too, but I quickly learned better. It's her actual voice - simply 'brutiful'.
Welcome to the Jinjer rabbit hole, no hope for seeing a sunbeam again once jumped in !
Now you are ready for the next steps (no specific order):
Teacher Teacher
Perennial (Live @ Wacken 2019)
Judgement (& Punishment) One Take Vocal Performance
I speak Astronomy
Who is gonna be the one (Live)
Pit of Conciousness (Live in Kiev)
Retrospection
Sit Stay Roll Over
The Prophecy
... and then all the amazing rest of them :D
If you can enjoy that style of art (I'm fully aware, that is not everyone's cup of tea), then there is no bad apple on the tree at all !
There's Judgement And Punishment with Tatiana's close up vocals throughout. 🔥
It’s real. They said they use a little overlay like everyone. But it’s genuinely her.
You can probably Google it to see what it is but there is a technique that allows men and women to use their throat and not there vocal cords to make that sound. That is why she is able to do that sound and not hurt her vocal cords and still sing great after.
We played with them, it's her voice
As probably previously stated yes that's all her own voice, no effects were used to achieve it, other than the usual stuff like delay, reverb etc. The way the sound is created is using what is known as the 'false vocal chords' it doesn't damage the vocal chords used for the clean singing as they're not used in the growling part.
The easiest way I can think of to describe how it's done is to think of the part of your larynx/throat that makes a noise when you burp loudly and you try to say a word at the same time, it's that area that is used or at least feels like that to me when I do it but instead of burping you just use normal breathing to make it vibrate and create the noise. When done correctly it can be performed for quite a long time without discomfort or damage being done but it does take practice.
That's all her. Wild isn't it? :-)
This one she wrote after she fought through depression. That’s what I saw someone say a while ago.
All her vocals are legit 😅
That`s her own voice. No effect... Have seen her live and it`s impressive!
ruclips.net/video/Q5rg_63Shqg/видео.html&ab_channel=JinjerMetalBand
"...you'd think other was a completely different vocalist." That's what I thought when I listened Jinjer from CD, and of course I didn't read the sleeve and honest to God, for days I thought that "oh, they have two or three different singers, like Amaranthe". Then I watched a video and my head exploded. And I am no stranger to bands like Amorphis or Opeth which have vocalists who transition between growl and clean, and also I like female growlers like Alissa White-Gluz so the concept was not alien to me...but the disconnect between her 'different voices' is just so extreme that it's almost unsettling even for someone who knows the genre.
I could've sworn that the lyric is "scale armor belies" not "scale armor blaze" but all the sites I go to have "blaze".
Apparently Tatiana confirmed in an interview that "blaze" is correct. I agree that "belies" fits better though.
I was on what I call "team belies" too. But they confirmed it is "scale armor blaze."
@@j.f.fisher5318 It seems like ablaze would be better than just blaze too.
BLAZE!
@@gtrsean2429 Yeah, we know.
The only effect on the growl may be a slight volume increase. Worked sound for a local venue and when it came to growling its better to bring the volume level up by ~8-12(depending on singer) to reduce strain. The sound itself is her, with a slight reverb for the ending of the chorus to make the transition clean.
That's all her. She doesn't strain or anything.
That is all her own voice - zero effects.
Perennial live at Wacken and also the "one take" video of Judgment and Punishment are great options to continue with the Jinjer journey
No, it's her own, real voice.
ALL HER. Listen to her live (Who is gonna be the one, or the one "one take live" of Judgement and Punishment) you can only hear reverb on her voice. She does some layering in post production, as you can hear in this live session, but nothing to change the timbre of her voice. She is amazing.
he pedal is for the guitar not her voice. The mics most likely have preamp/boostss but not to add distortion. The demonic sound is ALL her.
This is not 100% live, there's a bit of post-processing involved (you can hear some double-tracking here and there). She is not distorting her voice, though. When she sings live she does not perform the last belt, the high notes in the end, it's all growls.
Nobody is prepared for that and I am recently amusing myself to watching reactions right from the moment she begins screaming. :)
Judgement & Punishment song. One take with Jinjer.Tantiana will answer your questions.
It’s technical name is a vocal fry.
Look it up.
Tatiana has the voice of a thousand warriors 🤘
That is 100% Tatiana's voice, there is no processing at all. Her range is incredible. Watch Perennial live at Wacken to see her really strut her stuff!!
No effect, false Vocal cords she nails it live!