In wild, there's a card called "Bring it on!" which gives you 10 armor for 2 mana, and Frozen Buckler also gives you +10 armor for 2 mana. Make of that what you will.
In wild you can get 30 armor no problem with the pirate that deals damage once you play a minion, quilboar that gets extra armor and 1/4 smith. There's already a combo with Silas and that 1/4 demon but now you can just play the odyn and skip that combo completely
@@hollowlord8548that phrase needs to go away. You sound like an npc when you say that. There are many “do nothing” cards out there that consistently see play. It’s almost as if you think you can’t end your turn dominantly and the opponent can’t full ckear your board or does without developing
Not sure if enough value for that deck - are there enough mechs for the magnetize, or are there no better mechs and this is good enough just for another tribal tag? It seems pretty bad without magnetize since no rush
@@problempal5395 Sure it is something but it is not good enough to cut something from menagerie warrior, because there is no card that would be worse than that mech.
this is big warrior stuff. run chorus riffs to fetch out your odyn and big elementals, etc, then play out early game w control until you can drop odyn.
This year I have 2500 ranked wins with warrior. I am a warrior person. When I saw these cards I felt such overstimulation that I shed a few tears of joy (I am diagnosed with adhd and moments of overstimulation do happen)
I just realized something, If you can somehow have 2 Naga Giants at the bottom of your deck, then dredge them with Igneous Lavagourger. Isn’t that an OTK? Very Unlikely but could make a stupid clip.
Nah, it's not even otk and it requires a setup that's barely possible. A lot of people are seeing odyn as otk enabler but I think he's just good value that can potentially close out games
@@RenecromancerFinley is actually reverse dredge. Once you get Odin, this is more reliable than Shrivala since you have 2 nagas and 3 chances for it to be on the bottom. Beyond that, the Lavagorger is good even without the combo
@@Dani_el_Duckit’s not even a chance tho I don’t think. Doesn’t Finley put them in your deck in the order they are in your hand? You can realistically guarantee if left is the bottom card, but if the right card is the bottom it would almost never work unless you’re constantly playing top decks
Blizzard really said "Warrior has been garbage for the past two expansions, so let's help it just a little bit". Sometimes (most of the time) you think if Blizzard really think things through.
That’s how they’ve always balanced though. It’s why Shaman was hit or miss for so many years. And why we got raza priest with shadowreaper. They give the most underperforming classes insane cards that carry them for a couple sets until they drop off again
@@SaskeR11 For some reason I keep thinking of it as additive, like you have 20 armor and gain five then attack for 25. You're right, wouldn't be helpful with odyn.
The 8 drop for warrior is a huge win con but it's only playable against control decks which mean the chance of getting dirty rat/patchwerk is huge. Getting this bad boy to hit the board will be an adventure
This warr legendary might just work. The perk is you basically just build an entirely defensive deck, run Odyn, Azshara, Snapshot boi and you might just be able to get there.
Odyn is set at the perfect mana to make him strictly a control or combo card. If he was 5/6 mana he’d be broken and used by aggro/mid decks to close out with big armor gains.
There are two things that I think will Lead to Odyn being garbage. Obviously, he's an 8 mana do nothing. But also, to have survived to the point where you can play him you probably used most of your armor gaining cards. Maybe he will be insane, but I don't see it. Another thing is that he comes down around the same time as the titans, so he has to compete with them. I just don't see a world where he is good at all.
@@DinantZ do you understand how insane a free time warp is? That wasn’t even my biggest concern. My main concern is that you will have to use all you armor cards before postering him to survive long enough to play him
@@bnsz8704 I guess I need to add "/s". The problem is its only going to work against control and nothing else. We have Astalor, he does the job better.
Steam Guardian can make menagerie Warrior very strong if you just run Black Rock and Roll in your deck, sure you're giving up the best draw and one of the main reasons for playing menagerie Warrior but Warrior have other very good options for draw... but we'll see...
I see 4 pretty big problems with Odyn. 1. He is slow as hell. 8 Mana do nothing is not only bad, but in the upcoming hyper aggressive meta, it is giga slow. 2. It needs a ton of armor support cards, otherwise it does nothing. And most of these cards are not really good. Would they be good, there would be already a control warrior deck. 3. Because control warrior has not the problem, that it wouldn't have a finisher. You have Grommash, you have Trenchstalker and a ton of good neutral ones. Or buff your minions with black rock and roll. And so on. You never needed another win condition, you needed a good early game, good card draw and survivability. And I don't see enough of that. 4. Yes it sounds insane to play something like Heavy Plate after Odyn, but the thing is you can't store them. You need them to survive and play them before you have played Odyn. And also to get your Stonekin Armorer or your Weapon running. Or other cards if they are playable. And then you are actively reducing your own win condition and that is the problem with such a card. So I don't really see Odyn.
You win vs aggro by outlast them, so you don't really need Odyn but your armor cards does. In the end, 2 armor and 2 dmg every turn can seal the game. Vs Control, you do not need to use all your armor card early. And the dmg burst is very big. You can deal like 55+ dmg OTK . And you know what, since this is 1 card wincon, you can play it with Black rock and Roll.
@@phanhuyduc2395This. You never beat aggro by killing them as control. You beat them by them hitting the button in the bottom right on turn 6-7 because you're still alive.
@@amethonys2798 Plus, these new cards do seem pretty good for control, so yeah, some people just really think any card that costs 7+ is unplayable lol.
@@Noone-uw3mk I think there's a world where Warrior has enough survivability to fight off aggro (especially with real fire spells for thoribelore and such now) and naturally beats combo decks by having 60 health leaving this to be a control mirror card which aren't that bad to have around. Rarran is meme'ing on the weapon, but I think the card will drastically help against aggro because it is going to kill 3 minions and heal for 12. I'd much rather be alive against aggro than have 8 cards in hand and be dead like with Outrider's Axe.
i mean sure odyn is good,but think about it like this...why waste the time playing an 8 mana do nothing and then maybe kill your oponent over time by playing armor cards...when you can just play astalor and kill him instantly?
Khaz'goroth's stats are so low because of smelt, chorus riff, blackrock n roll, and lorthemar. Card is meh by itself, but an absolute house with any buffs.
@Noone-uw3mk it's more about how the titan has its power limited because of other cards, not that it is the best target. It does create a critical mass of cards that benefit greatly, if that's the direction you want.
@tank_dempsey you say that like warrior doesn't have massive amounts of armor cards and board clears to stall enough till turn 8. We'll see after release but already predicting a nerf of some kind.
@tank_dempsey I wouldn't be surprised if they had to go to that length to make it balanced. Currently, there are 5 cards or 10 copies of cards that generate 5+ armor at once. With 3 of the 5 being 8 armor and one is variable based on its attack stat being the minotuaren. That's 8 free attack from each card or more. Not counting any other generated armor cards from school teacher and copying them with the legendary from the previous set. I'm just calling it now that odyn is going to need a change, and I see them making it once per turn or bumping it to ten mana if left the same.
@@markos50100 You really think that you would have armor gain cards after surviving to turn 8, where you will have to give the opponent a conditional warp gate for 0 mana? Even after that its not a one turn lethal. Astalor does the same job but better. One turn lethal decks have existed for a long time and Odyn isn't even one.
In wild, there's a card called "Bring it on!" which gives you 10 armor for 2 mana, and Frozen Buckler also gives you +10 armor for 2 mana. Make of that what you will.
But you have to play a 8 mana 8/8 do nothing In wild which.... Is very slow
In wild you can get 30 armor no problem with the pirate that deals damage once you play a minion, quilboar that gets extra armor and 1/4 smith. There's already a combo with Silas and that 1/4 demon but now you can just play the odyn and skip that combo completely
@@hollowlord8548in wild you can stall with all the removals available to you and prior armor gain until that turn 8.
Odyn will get banned in Wild. Calling it now.
@@hollowlord8548that phrase needs to go away. You sound like an npc when you say that. There are many “do nothing” cards out there that consistently see play. It’s almost as if you think you can’t end your turn dominantly and the opponent can’t full ckear your board or does without developing
With the mech at the start, whilst there may not be a mech warrior, there is amalgam warrior
Not sure if enough value for that deck - are there enough mechs for the magnetize, or are there no better mechs and this is good enough just for another tribal tag? It seems pretty bad without magnetize since no rush
@@bluerendar2194 even if it's the only mech, it can still magnetize to amalgam minions. Might not be good enough regardless, but it's still something
@@problempal5395 Sure it is something but it is not good enough to cut something from menagerie warrior, because there is no card that would be worse than that mech.
Legendary amalgam with rush, lifesteal and this is a lot of health returned
@@YouCalledForTheDoc Sure but most of the time lifesteal and windfury are enough. That are already 12 health, sometimes because of buffs more.
Warrior was given a lot with this expansion, and it made older cards much better. I'm looking forward to next week!
this is big warrior stuff. run chorus riffs to fetch out your odyn and big elementals, etc, then play out early game w control until you can drop odyn.
Just a reminder all the spells titans offers warrior are fire and Thori'belore is in standard and was buffed to have infinite revives now...
Armorsmith+Skipper combos in Wild about to do 9 billion damage to the enemy's face.
Since Skipper was printed, it became Warrior's favorite card... I never liked Warrior, but when it came out it was soo good to play it against DH...
Craftsman hammer might not combo well with Odyn, but I definetly like it to keep aggro decks in line and to activate the armorers ability.
I say it's for the pre-Odyn turns. Armor gain to stay alive long enough.
This year I have 2500 ranked wins with warrior. I am a warrior person. When I saw these cards I felt such overstimulation that I shed a few tears of joy (I am diagnosed with adhd and moments of overstimulation do happen)
I just realized something, If you can somehow have 2 Naga Giants at the bottom of your deck, then dredge them with Igneous Lavagourger. Isn’t that an OTK? Very Unlikely but could make a stupid clip.
Reverse dredge when?
Nah, it's not even otk and it requires a setup that's barely possible. A lot of people are seeing odyn as otk enabler but I think he's just good value that can potentially close out games
@@projectx5154 paladin shirvallah was a tier 1 deck with the same kind of combo
@@RenecromancerFinley is actually reverse dredge.
Once you get Odin, this is more reliable than Shrivala since you have 2 nagas and 3 chances for it to be on the bottom. Beyond that, the Lavagorger is good even without the combo
@@Dani_el_Duckit’s not even a chance tho I don’t think. Doesn’t Finley put them in your deck in the order they are in your hand? You can realistically guarantee if left is the bottom card, but if the right card is the bottom it would almost never work unless you’re constantly playing top decks
Blizzard really said "Warrior has been garbage for the past two expansions, so let's help it just a little bit". Sometimes (most of the time) you think if Blizzard really think things through.
That’s how they’ve always balanced though. It’s why Shaman was hit or miss for so many years. And why we got raza priest with shadowreaper. They give the most underperforming classes insane cards that carry them for a couple sets until they drop off again
I wonder if platebreaker is suddenly gonna start appearing in ETC selections.
It doesn't really stop odyn tho ?
@@SaskeR11 For some reason I keep thinking of it as additive, like you have 20 armor and gain five then attack for 25. You're right, wouldn't be helpful with odyn.
@@YoungClarke that would've been so op lol
legit excited for warrior this expansion.
The 8 drop for warrior is a huge win con but it's only playable against control decks which mean the chance of getting dirty rat/patchwerk is huge. Getting this bad boy to hit the board will be an adventure
This warr legendary might just work. The perk is you basically just build an entirely defensive deck, run Odyn, Azshara, Snapshot boi and you might just be able to get there.
The elemental and esp stoneskin armorer are so good they will likely be a staple in majority of Wild decks moving forward.
Some of the best card draw warrior's had in awhile.
Warrior finally getting the love they deserve lol
For Wild Odyn > doctor boom hero gains like 5 attack and hero power.
Odyn is set at the perfect mana to make him strictly a control or combo card. If he was 5/6 mana he’d be broken and used by aggro/mid decks to close out with big armor gains.
I’m already foreseeing a wild OTK with desígnate and Dr.boom scheme shenanigans
Who's the they in the Warrior legendary?
My favorite warrior card, "Through the fire and the flames"
Turn 1 Armor Vendor, Turn 2 Smelt
I’m going to lava gorger into naga giant for 20 attack.
Take in with Odyn and Justicar Trueheart, every turn is an 8 health swing minimum. Talk about a clock lol.
I really wish it was an odd card, even if it was 9 mana. Odd warrior would be EATING in wild
i could be overestimating odyn but this feels like it could save control warrior
My furious furnace is my love for Control Warrior! (For the Horde)
There are two things that I think will Lead to Odyn being garbage. Obviously, he's an 8 mana do nothing. But also, to have survived to the point where you can play him you probably used most of your armor gaining cards. Maybe he will be insane, but I don't see it. Another thing is that he comes down around the same time as the titans, so he has to compete with them. I just don't see a world where he is good at all.
You only have to skip a turn, what's the worst that can happen? you only are giving them a time warp that costs 0.
@@DinantZ do you understand how insane a free time warp is? That wasn’t even my biggest concern. My main concern is that you will have to use all you armor cards before postering him to survive long enough to play him
@@bnsz8704 I guess I need to add "/s". The problem is its only going to work against control and nothing else. We have Astalor, he does the job better.
Well prepare to see Odyn for the next two years
Steam Guardian can make menagerie Warrior very strong if you just run Black Rock and Roll in your deck, sure you're giving up the best draw and one of the main reasons for playing menagerie Warrior but Warrior have other very good options for draw... but we'll see...
The elemental only says draw a spell, not draw a fire spell
Control Aggro Warrior??
Prolly something like armor combo warrior
I see 4 pretty big problems with Odyn.
1. He is slow as hell. 8 Mana do nothing is not only bad, but in the upcoming hyper aggressive meta, it is giga slow.
2. It needs a ton of armor support cards, otherwise it does nothing. And most of these cards are not really good. Would they be good, there would be already a control warrior deck.
3. Because control warrior has not the problem, that it wouldn't have a finisher. You have Grommash, you have Trenchstalker and a ton of good neutral ones. Or buff your minions with black rock and roll. And so on. You never needed another win condition, you needed a good early game, good card draw and survivability. And I don't see enough of that.
4. Yes it sounds insane to play something like Heavy Plate after Odyn, but the thing is you can't store them. You need them to survive and play them before you have played Odyn. And also to get your Stonekin Armorer or your Weapon running. Or other cards if they are playable. And then you are actively reducing your own win condition and that is the problem with such a card.
So I don't really see Odyn.
You win vs aggro by outlast them, so you don't really need Odyn but your armor cards does. In the end, 2 armor and 2 dmg every turn can seal the game. Vs Control, you do not need to use all your armor card early. And the dmg burst is very big. You can deal like 55+ dmg OTK . And you know what, since this is 1 card wincon, you can play it with Black rock and Roll.
It's a better wincon than Mograine in triple blood which DID see play in an arguably more aggressive format with shadow priest and such.
@@phanhuyduc2395This. You never beat aggro by killing them as control. You beat them by them hitting the button in the bottom right on turn 6-7 because you're still alive.
@@amethonys2798 Plus, these new cards do seem pretty good for control, so yeah, some people just really think any card that costs 7+ is unplayable lol.
@@Noone-uw3mk I think there's a world where Warrior has enough survivability to fight off aggro (especially with real fire spells for thoribelore and such now) and naturally beats combo decks by having 60 health leaving this to be a control mirror card which aren't that bad to have around.
Rarran is meme'ing on the weapon, but I think the card will drastically help against aggro because it is going to kill 3 minions and heal for 12. I'd much rather be alive against aggro than have 8 cards in hand and be dead like with Outrider's Axe.
Do you guys remember when warrior gets like 200 armor? And now they just play smelt and Olgra or trench hydra.
Now druide can have 30 armor for a single HP
Armor Vendor stocks are through the roof rn
If only high priest thekal was a warrior card.
Smelt reads as if you can lose 9 armor to do it 4 times
i mean sure odyn is good,but think about it like this...why waste the time playing an 8 mana do nothing and then maybe kill your oponent over time by playing armor cards...when you can just play astalor and kill him instantly?
ITS WARRIOR COMEBACK SEASON
You'd think a card named "Smelt" would have Forge, absolute flavour fail.
inb4 Control/OTK warrior
Bring it on! card. 2 mana gain 10 armor reduce enemy minions in hand by 2 is now broken?
This and the other card that gains 10 armor then you lose 5 next turn is 30 damage for 6 mana lmao
Sure... after turn 8...
The card reactions are very fun, and I bet they would do much better with better thumbnails/titles honestly.
WARRIOR REDEMPTION LETS GO
8 mana 8/8 battlecry: beat other control decks, priest is crying on the corner
so warrior is gonna need to rushed by agro or you get destroyed
Warrior about to be teir -1 because teir 0 is not enough to describe odyn.
Looking like they crippled warrior for a year just to be able to print odyn
Khaz'goroth's stats are so low because of smelt, chorus riff, blackrock n roll, and lorthemar. Card is meh by itself, but an absolute house with any buffs.
Wouldn't you rather buff something else tho? Like Olgra, Grom, Remornia, are all way better targets for you to buff than him, in my opinion.
@Noone-uw3mk it's more about how the titan has its power limited because of other cards, not that it is the best target. It does create a critical mass of cards that benefit greatly, if that's the direction you want.
@@Heidar08 Guess you're right, but I am more worried about whether or not he's gonna make the cut.
I think warrior had a bad last season because these cards were already made and the bad cards it has now were made after.
Bring it on! wild OTK LETS GOOO
Odynis the most broken card ever made. Has to be nerfed to the first rime you gain armor.
That would be unplayable. Wait until it comes out to see if it’s actually even a card you can play and get to without dying first
@tank_dempsey you say that like warrior doesn't have massive amounts of armor cards and board clears to stall enough till turn 8. We'll see after release but already predicting a nerf of some kind.
@@markos50100 I’m not saying it won’t get nerfed but it being the first time you gain armor would make it absolute dumpster tier
@tank_dempsey I wouldn't be surprised if they had to go to that length to make it balanced. Currently, there are 5 cards or 10 copies of cards that generate 5+ armor at once. With 3 of the 5 being 8 armor and one is variable based on its attack stat being the minotuaren. That's 8 free attack from each card or more. Not counting any other generated armor cards from school teacher and copying them with the legendary from the previous set. I'm just calling it now that odyn is going to need a change, and I see them making it once per turn or bumping it to ten mana if left the same.
@@markos50100 You really think that you would have armor gain cards after surviving to turn 8, where you will have to give the opponent a conditional warp gate for 0 mana? Even after that its not a one turn lethal. Astalor does the same job but better. One turn lethal decks have existed for a long time and Odyn isn't even one.
Naaaa bro, the Legendary is busted enough if you can actually Brann it that would be extremely bad for the game
This card should be banned in wild
Card's way too slow for wild
It's a Dane meme at best in Wild