7 WORSE Things To Do After A Gig
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- The 7 Worse Things To Do After A Gig That Ruin Your Success
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1. Not correct mistakes.
2. Not rest your ears (loud gigs).
3. Not follow up (with the people who hired you). "Thanks for hiring us"
4. Not make connections. (use band breaks)
5. Handle band issues. (fights)
6. Not make sure you have all your equipment. (double check)
7. Drive under influence. (Self and others)
Oh, that’s why it always cost us money, we weren’t serious!
I'm guilty of not getting everything. One time, we did a show in Harrisburg, Pa (about an hour and a half from home) and I left my pedal board in the case sitting by the side of the stage. We had a show about 2 hours away from there the next day.
I had to leave work early, haul ass to Harrisburg, grab my gear, jump in the car and "Warp Speed, Mr. Sulu" my ass to Scranton.
I NEVER left my gear again
Perhaps a better title for this video, considering the double negatives, would be ‘7 Things Not To Do After A Gig’.
Good tips. I’m glad you hit on resting your ears. I’ve been playing for 45 years, using IEMs the last 10 but hearing damage was already done by then. I avoid doing gigs without at least a day or so break in between.
The idiot check is one of the most important things ever. I always do a quick sweep of the place before we leave.
Lost a crash cymbal this way.
even for rehearsals.
We always do an idiot check.
I know exactly what gear I take and it always leaves with me too.
I'll add another. Don't dump on your bandmates if you are the one that made trouble. I did a gig with an alt-country trio. I play bass. We'd decided the set list and practiced it for months, all originals. The singer/rhythm guitarist/songwriter decided to throw out the set list just before we started. Then he called out a song we'd rehearsed once like 6 months earlier, never really perfected, and never really got a sound we liked to make it worthy to put into our set list. I made a joke I didn't remember the chords, but let's have some fun. (I ended up remembering them, but the lead guitarist had no clue, and I had to verbally tell him when to take a solo. While the singer forgot his own lyrics at one point! The song went over great, and we were even shocked. Even the frontman said that was fun. Well, immediately after the gig I got my ass reamed, and told that if I didn't want to learn the songs I could have sheet music, and I ruined the whole song. What? I played everything, but was blamed for the singer forgetting or the guitarist not knowing when to play? Are you kidding me? This is why we had a set list. There were other issues between us, so I left the band.
Yeah that really sucks. Egos are a major obstacle to harmony.
Egos and attitudes kill music and the fun we all love
Jee the Grateful Dead never had a predetermined set list. Jerry always forgot the words. If the Dead were in town for a 3 night run. Ya got a different show each night, they didn't play the same song twice in that run! Garcia died in 95 & there still the biggest cult band in America. d&c has taken residency at the Sphere! Look up the Garcia band playing Werewolves of London in 90 on Halloween. After the song started Jerry had to tell John Kahn to turn on his bass, It was kinda funny! They just went on stage, kept there mouth shut, tuned up & played!
I hate last minute set list changes. Our band doesn't get enough practice in as it is, but when there's a change, it throws things off and among other things lowers the quality of our product. We're just starting off in our life as a band, so in my eyes it's imperative we stay tight and everyone knows their cues. As a member (not the leader) of the band I've made my feelings known about this, but it falls on deaf ears. I guess all I can do is practice beyond the set list to include any other possible songs, so I'm not caught flatfooted.
Yep it sounds like leaving that band was a sensible and inevitable decision.
After the gig. Help everyone pack up; guitars , pedals, mikes , drums, etc. You're in a group!
yes, but also sometimes people want to pack up their own gear because they have their own logic (and pack your own stuff before helping others!)
As an audiologist playing in bands: thanks for bringing up the resting your ears! Very solid advice! I can't count the number of times that there is a DJ after our set and it's even louder than the band is, sometimes playing while we are breaking up the stage... Put your earplugs in when that happens!
that is very annoying to pack up the gear while the ultra loud DJ is blasting music!
Got done with a gig and went home! The next day discovered I left my pedal board with the effects pedals and my stage attire!! Luckily there are still some awesome people in the world that kept my stiff and I got it back in tact!!
You stopped playing, set yout guitar down and went to your car and drove home?? And you "didcovered" that you left it at the venue??
@raidone7413 ...what I left behind as I said was my pedal board and stage attire. I had both my guitars.
Connecting with the audience has made the difference for me. After a three hour set, when all I want to do is go home, I step off stage and visit with folks. Thank them for investing their time to listen and watch. They have a million things they could be doing, and they chose to hang out with me. WOW, how cool of them! I am grateful. In addition, I also like to get to know my audience, so there's an added benefit. It does allow me to know who my audience is, which is telling in getting feedback, and helpful for future shows. And club managers and owners DEFINITELY notice my care for THEIR customers, too. Yes, I am there to play and sing. But I am also there to help the bottom line of the venue by giving the listeners a great and genuine experience. Amazing how far we go when we make this our goal...performer or otherwise. Thanks for serving us up great tips, @Terence Fisher!
Fans are recurring revenue.
Hang around and support the band or bands playing after you!!! Don’t just grab your crowd and leave…
If the bands who play after me have not already been there to hear my gig then they can never expect me to listen to their gig.
@@Raphaelmusicofficial I didn’t think I had to say this but yes watch the band .or 2 before you play. My point was support the other bands. Great attitude there…
What if you are in the only band? I never made a nickel on those 3 or 4 bands the same night gigs.
@@TaterwheelOk then ya leave.
I left a proprietary power supply for my mixer once... had to order a new one which took a while. So like you said always check your equipment.
Also back in the day I did a few DJ gigs when they were just becoming popular and a box full of records disappeared while I was loading up gear. They just walked away and no one saw a thing.
Always have one person out at the vehicles and another at the stage while loading. Microphones disappear, even snare drums.
Thank you for making these videos! I am a professional musician (it's how I make the majority of my living), and even someone like me needs to be reminded of these things from time to time (especially points 3 and 4). So yes, very grateful for your channel and content; I've learned a lot from your videos!
I practice for 2 hours after gigs. You are warmed up, you played your set, your in the zone to process a lot of learning.
I left a banjo at a venue once, and when I got back there were two banjos! Just kidding. This is a great series of tips. I wish I’d known some of these tips 50 years ago.
Great video, You play better when you're sober. I prefer to play with musicians that don't drink during the gig. Pretty much all of them aren't as fun to play with after they've had a few beers.
Also, chairs are for sitting. Not storing your gear. How many times have you gone to sit down in the green room and all the chairs are taken with everyone's crap.
Thanks for establishing this channel. A class act channel and ethical sound advice. I'm not perfect, and have screwed up alot of potential with future gigs over the years. Some of your advice seems common sense, tho as musicians we often get tangled up in the rhetoric and don't even think about what could open up new opportunity. Appreciate you posting these vids and giving some insight of your experiences
Don't PERFORM under(too much of) the influence, either, let alone driving home in that kinda shape.
Can't stress this one enough. So irresponsible and short-sighted. I had gear stolen because of this, and though not the night of the gig, but next evening party, got a DUI on the way home. Play sober, then party at home or wherever you're staying for the night.
A dude from my local Punk scene died on a car crash 5 yrs ago. He was just 23 and had his whole life ahead. He got on the car (pressumably) drunk and/or tired from the concert and he fell off the side of a bridge in a river.
@@donnienarco144 Condolences. Very unfortunate.
Pfft.
Thank you for all of your great nuggets. I have really grown by listening to your videos
Also, immediately after don't bitch out your band members and then wonder why a venue doesn't want you back ... and then go to the venue trying to tell them a long sad sob story about how you are a victim. They don't want drama. They have enough.
Seven - Do not drive under the influence. Gig or not, don't ever drive under the influence. It can ruin your life in a split second. But at a gig, it's a social courtesy not to be under the influence at all. I have a two-beer limit with lots of water in-between at gigs. You really have to see it as "you are at work". People love to chat with the band so be sober and be polite. Again, you're at work and like the reality of it or not, those people listening or dancing ultimately are your boss.
It's a hard way to make a few bucks but your advice is well taken.
You’re correct about the ears. I personally try to get outside between every set.(after talking to a few people on the way out ) It’s one way to keep guitarist from getting louder through the night. The ears actually start swelling to protect themselves , after a few mins outside focusing on a soft distant sound (like a cricket) will open them back up. 53+ years pro touring engineer FOH and performing musician.
On resting your ears: some good musician's earplugs are well worth the investment. They make things quieter without sounding muffled like regular hearing protection.
We’ve played a gig at a casino. Our guitarist lost all of his pay at the roulette table.
This is super helpful, esp for people starting out. I’m a vinyl DJ and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve lost records (some of which are not replaceable) because I left a couple propped up behind the booth. Cords, headphones, needles… this stuff is expensive. Don’t leave your gear, have a checklist!
Yeah, you just got a new subscriber here. I love your posts! 🤘🤘🤘
Glad I found your channel
I played for 25 years from local gigs to touring with Hall of Fame artists and this stuff is just good, practical advice. Spot on man.
There's actually a whole lot of common sense going on here...."don't drive under the influence" well if you do that, and you get caught, your drivers license will get suspended, effectively inhibiting you from driving to your next gig...
Thank you so much for your videos. We are older musicians who recently formed a band and are playing small venues (now for fun and experience as a group). Your advice is spot on and we will definitely be discussing before our next performance.
Okay, I'm sold. I'm subscribing.
Solid points, all. Good vid.
Some good reminders and good for thought, thanks.
One of the things that drive me up the wall is when people insist on blasting loud music after the gig is finished instead of having a bit of peace and quiet.
Glad I found this site. Great tips, very thoughtful stuff.
Seems there's always that one dude on stage who can not stop complaining about the monitor situation?
Can you discuss how bands will pack up up after they have played while the next band is playing? I don't play gigs anymore but I see this happen and it drives me nuts.
I left a brand new K&M utility stand at a Friday night gig that was an hour and a half away.
Couldn’t reach anyone on the phone all day Saturday, but new that there was a show there that night, so drove there around what I thought would be Soynd Check time, and sure enough, my (expensive!) K&M stand was right where I’d left it.
Well worth the minor road trip!
If you are opening up for a band, get your gear off the stage as fast as you possibly can. Don't go talk to your friends, get your stuff off quickly then get your taps on the head.
Thank God I don't do any of these things. I guess that why I am working. Great advice. Thanks
The ear rest is a great advice. I always put in a set of foam earplugs for the gear packing time, that's usually when dj comes blasting it twice as loud as we did.
I had to learn over 40 songs in 35 days when I joined my current band. I had to play with my computer on stage like an amateur for notes and progressions. But I pulled it off. My fretting hand was fish hooks by the end of that month.
Excellent videos, Terence. Please add chapter markers to your videos.
ALWAYS do the dummy check
Great advice man!
that's some very good advice!
Very Insightful Information, Thank you.
I really like your video's, I think its pretty much all solid advice, I break some of the rules, but I bet we all have one or two things we know we shouldn't do that just... ya know.... meh, lol..... I play in a bunch of cover bands and get pretty drunk on stage,... not so much that my playing suffers but I have a good time. I'm 40 and the idea that I'm still gonna build a bigger career, specially now that most of the live music venues are gone, is kinda funny talk I guess, I just wanna have fun now.
Good points. The last band I was in imploded after a gig because a conflict escalated and got physical.
DONT FORGET YOUR STUFF!!! 🤣🤣🤣 oh man, I think my first band left something at every gig we played lol
Very helpful tips. Thanks for the insight!
Great advice, not just the expected ones :)
sub'd and many thanks!
lol i've seen some venues have a room in the basement or something that's just filled with stuff that musicians have left behind.
so far I will add one more thing to this: if you are having issues with hearing than you are playing toud ..simple as that
I guess I need to start a channel for all original bands cause we break every single rule this guy puts out ! And we should
Directly after or even pre-gig I encourage my band mates to not drink more than 1-2 drinks even if they are comped . The venue has eyes and ears everywhere , and fans have phones and may even be streaming . I can't tell you how many times I have seen a band put on a great set , then turn around and get sloppy drunk, make fools of themselves in front of staff and attendees and even shout over the acts following as they party . Several have even been blackballed from the venue .
Band break had always been a great time to meet others. A lot of the stuff we done were parties and we were expected to party too. It didn't often lead to something new, but people do remember us better when friendships are made. Even though it was parties with drinks, I never drank, still don't, 57 now, and never once been intoxicated. But for me, though, I get a high just from the music. Still do, it's what keeps me sane. I don't gig anymore, but I do go to gaming parties once a week, with drinks available for free. I don't even have to drive as it's walking distance away. Oh, we performed original music, if mistakes were make, nobody other than us knew about it. We did stick to music that kept the feet moving. So beat was important. Band keeping a solid beat and sticking to chord prograssions other than that we were rather open. Sometimes going into unexpected solos. We were in tune mentally for that so when someone hits upon something catchy, we'll let them take over, harmonize too if we're all in the groove. Rarely had vocals, but we've been asked to play along vocalists a few times, where we did have to prepare for.
6:54 "Leave your equipment". I know a guy touring with a fairly successful starting-to-ascend band and he had $10K+ worth of software that required an iLok USB "key". He lost the key, and the software maker _would not_ work with him. The guy could produce receipts and everything. He was just "out" of use of that software.
A few things I'd like to add that could help a lot if people did them:
- Don't just rely on your memory, make a checklist of things you brought to the gig, and check everything that you put back into the car and than into the rehearsal room.
- If you borrow equipment, be aware that you are responsible for it and make sure you bring it back, pay for necessary repair in case of defects that come from you using the equipment. Also make notes in case the owner tells you to leave that thing, he'll take care of it and will take it with him. Ask on the day after the gig if he didn't forget it. If he did, it's hopefully still possible to contact someone there and get it back. Better: Don't borrow equipment. Don't lend equipment unless you are part of the gig and can take care of it yourselves right after the gig.
- Be awake and check if your colleagues pack all the things they brought. Ask if you're not sure who owns things. That way everyone helps everyone and prevents equipment loss.
- Watch out for souvenir hunters that do not belong on the stage.
- Make your attitude clear to colleagues and ask them if you can expect the same from them. Take care of things yourselves regardless of their answers.
Absolute truth!
Great advice! In case you can change the title, it’s “Worst”.
Unless you plan to only be a writer or studio musician, you have to be a people person. As much as I loved music, I found that I am far too private and introverted for being a musician. Even pouring my soul into a song and then selling it felt like selling my soul. You have to truly believe in what you are doing and understand the consequences of your actions. Bands are like marriages and songs are like children. There are also many dirty things that go on in the music business. The internet is a great way to create a poor man's copyright. There is a date that the content was uploaded. However, an old friend of mine recommended that if you write something, do it both in musical notes as sheet music/ tablature and a recording, then mail it to yourself and never open it. If you find yourself in court one day, fighting over your music and the rights to it, having that evidence can be crucial. It is considered admissible in court, bearing a seal from a federal agency, as long as it is unopened.
Or ya could just do live shows & let the heads record the show. They paid for the music, they should be able to keep it!
Making money in the biz is never easy.
I’ve watched part of three of these videos and would say that most of the advice is obvious and the preferred way of doing things. I see some of the other titles specifically reference worship/church music, so I’m assuming that the creator (content creator, I mean, not THE creator..) is involved in these gigs. I’ve been a professional musician for 30 years but the etiquette learning started long before the first $ came in. All the years of being in school choir, concert band, show pit orchestras, accompanying classmate’s in talent quests etc helped prepare me for what has been an interesting career.
I endeavour to communicate clearly and respectfully; learn (well certainly chart) music in advance of rehearsal; be on time; treat bar staff and band members as my “bosses”; engage with friendly punters, etc. But there are times when I’ve dealt assertively with drunken/arrogant punters; venue managers etc who’ve overstepped the mark; band members/leaders who’ve been unreasonable.
Regarding the drink/toke comment: that’s great, however sometimes it’s quite nice to have a few drinks in the early part of the evening, so you can safely drive home later. TBH having an afternoon nap and being generally healthy is a more effective way of being alert on the road later on. And as for the sweet leaf, well, it’d be hypocritical of musicians to play songs which were composed by people who partook, e.g. Louis Armstrong, Willie Nelson, etc, and then go on to damn your bandmates. I get it, if someone can’t play, fair enough. But in my experience the best way to prepare for playing under the influence is to practise under the influence. There’s a time and a place, for sure, but having a toot before learning songs, doing charts, doing metronome work etc can sometimes focus your attention on the music task at hand, and it has the added advantage of preparing you for a gig where the audience is wild.
Kinda aggravates me local musicians don't have a single recording on RUclips. The first thing I do when I see a band name I haven't heard of before is check YT.
Well spoken.
Excellent info..!!💯
This excellent Godmy advise❤I have made all these mistakes
I have tremendous anxiety during and after a performance. I have to acknowledge the idea that the anxiety probably comes from not really knowing the material, to varying degrees. It's so easy to get caught up in the excitement of the performance, at the expense of my knowledge of the material.
I think its 2 kind of anxiety. You can be prepared but have the anxiety to fail. And you can have the anxiety to fail because you know you didnt practice enough.
Whatever your level of anxiety, being prepared is better no matter what. A teacher once said that you can always see the preparation, even if the performance is not "wow".
@@ÉdouardBrasseur Nice, thank you!
One more thing... Don't leave your empties and trash on stage! Someone has to deal with that -- be a decent person and pick up after yourself.
My son played a battle of the bands years ago - he went to pack up his gear and someone had pinched his cymbal vault (a nice high end vault I got him for Christmas). I thought that was about as low as it goes.
I would add to your list, don't party at the venue after your show. If you are going to party after, do it somewhere else. Ive seen it happen many times: the band has a good or even great show, the crowd loved it and there is a good rapport with the staff and whoever booked/hired the band. Then sfterwards one or more of the band members get wasted and draws negative attention to themselves and by extension, the band itself. All of the goodwill that was created earlier can be completely wiped out by this, destroying the relationship between the band and the venue. Thank everyone, pack up your stuff, and leave on good terms.
P.s. do not get wasted before or during your show. Its a really bad look.
For those befuddled as to what the thumbnail for this video attempts to convey (as was I), I have attempted to provide a helpful explanation for it:
The red arrow is pointing at the line of separation between the cloth of that person's shirt and the skin of their shoulder. What he is trying to say is that one's shirt should stay pulled _over_ their shoulder, whether it be before, during, or (most importantly) after a gig. He is merely looking out for others, encouraging that they maintain orderliness in their attire, so as to prevent an awakening of ill-feeling among onlookers.
I have one: if you’re in a band where your lead singer is talking about you behind your back, and the people you trust are trying to tell you, don’t wait to leave. I once played with a guy who would always talk about me behind my back and I never wanted to believe the people who were telling me what was going on, especially my brother. Anyway, we recorded an album and played a few times together until for some reason, he just stopped talking to me, and of course playing with me. I have autism, and for me, it’s hard to make lasting friendships with people. And then I saw something on Facebook that he posted that really pissed me off: he wrote “Should we go back to bullying people with glasses?” I was appalled!!!! And I wrote something on it that I don’t really want to mention. Suffice it to say we’re not friends anymore and we will never play together again.
well...glasses are pretty dorky. a mean look or a friendly boot to the arse could do a four eyed poindexter some good. just sayin
Really good advice
I've got one. Right after you're done with your set move all your gear off the stage as fast as you can for the next act. So many times things have gotten pushed back because a drummer is talking to someone in the crowd and the whole drum set is just sitting there. Then the next band is forced to move your gear off the stage. I used to be pretty chill about it when I was younger but these if I see that stuff going on I run up on stage and start being a dick about it. You have the whole damn night to talk and get wasted. Just get your sh*t off the stage in a timely manner.
the band i played in for most of my life broke up in public. we were fighting over who was pocketing the cash after the gig. It was in the parking lot and there were at least 50 people watching as we fought. Some of the onlookers had been coming to our shows for over 10 years. The bass player and I had been partners in the band since we were teenagers. Several tips on this list could have saved us some trouble. We still dont speak. the little things matter. oh....and no farting in the other dudes face while he is crashed in the van. it builds stinky resentment.
My guitar instructor long ago played a gig where they got rained on. They put all the gear in a trailer wet and it sat in the sun for several days, maybe a week. He said the strings on his 72 strat rusted onto the frets.
Marching band is fun.I have had to abandon the aonf and run for cover with my saxophone when the rain suddenly pours down!!!
I’m not a musician but it’s obvious these practices should be done in all walks of life, great job!!!
excelent video!!!!
Good advice!
My #1 rule after playing is gtf off stage and out of the way so the next band can get up and play.
Valuable advice
If you dont want to do everything Said Here you dont have to to become a paid musician
You can Just be how youfeel and WHO you are
But dont be violent
What they all dont Tell you IS dont Take drugs because some things IS very welcome
And the bigger your success IS the less of These Rules IS reality
You make a lot of sense.
Great vid
My pet peeves
Bands who leave the stage a mess!!
Bands that don't remove every scrap of tape, set lists etc.
Bands that break stuff on stage but don't tell management and so I discover that they broke the drum riser, snake, a few outlets, light trusses etc
Kids: be professional: when your bass player pukes on the stage, please clean up after him.
Don't steal the in- house lighting gear and the house microphones.
Leave it how you found it.
.....and try not to shoot and/or stab the front man in the parking lot after the gig. Especially if you have another booking the next day. 🤔
Why is it the bass player that pukes? Lol
@@bove2k918 It is a hard job.
A guitar player can literally stop for a split second maybe a measure and it doesn't matter. So he can drank party liquor at his own convenience.
But that poor bass player!
If he stops for one note the band gives him a nasty look so he chugs every shot someone has sent up all at once. Its scientific.
I once had a kleptomaniac in my band. It never crossed my mind that someone would steal from band mates, venues or even clients, until one of the other band members pointed it out to me. Inexplicable losses came to an immediate halt when he “left”.
@@rustyshackleford9557Bass players should utilise open strings and break downs/drops in order to regulate their alohol intake.
Don't forget to shout out your sound guy..
Yes he's grumpy old fart but he appreciates it..
Remember after a fantastic gig and I was really happy then I got fired 😮.
Did you show up a diva?
Divas hate being outclassed..
All I usually did after a gig was pack up ASAP and get the hell outta there lol, musicians no thanks not really!
The Band should split the following:
- Tips
- Drink tab
- Pay
A band mate of mine has had financial issues for years and owes me around $2000, he’s our friend so we let it slide plus we don’t play for the money, but I could use a couple of pieces of new gear, now he’s quitting the band.
#6 and #7 are critical, yes....the others? I dunno, I guess. Kinda unrealistic. You cant harp on mistakes and chances are you missed something you've practiced more than enough. The mindset of letting mistakes
own your brain is self defeating.
Worse thing to do? Trying to move two Acoustic 360 bass amps into he back of a Pinto hatch back . . . . . . . . by yourself.
Your last (#7) point should not ever be an issue!
Musicians are the ONLY "profession" that there's even a chance of drinking while working.
Maybe that's why we're not taken seriously?? Maybe that's why they call it "playing"? Maybe that's why many work for $50 a NIGHT, not even being paid for loading or travel??? (much less, the many hours we spend practicing and rehearsing??)
Drinking on ANY job is seriously unprofessional!! Sorry to have to break it to y'all, but THAT's a big reason why musicians are so poorly paid!!!
Can't wait to see how many whiners this brings out!!
What is a hire fee for a band ?
I don't agree with making connections. This is my gig. You don't try to filch out other work for yourself while under my employ. If you want to go back the next day to hustle a gig for yoursrlf, that's fine, but not during the time you're supposed to be representing me. That is one sure way to never get hiired again.
Remember that comedians are the shit now and will take your job anytime xd
good stuff
Thanks for featuring some females in your supplemental photos
Rest your ears? Those hairs you break off during loud music die, ka put! There is no resting to undo damage. In ears done right shouldn’t be blasted. There’s no reason for the excessive noise at many gigs.
Take super long breaks so people can chat
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