As a little boy and a diehard Bulls fan I bought some Shaq Magic gear right after he was drafted. It's totally insane. The dude was so much fun instantly.
Lol. He had a video game. A couple movies. A top selling rap record. Top selling shoes. Riiighhhttt he didn't catch on at first. Everyone was wearing an Orlando magic starter coat.
For someone who is not american (brazilian) that loves America and the NBA, and actually lived in the US for a while, I still don't quite understand why you guys need an american super star playing in the league do draw interest from the audience. Look at the real football (not soccer) all around the world! People in Spain don't care if Messi is argentinian or english people don't care if CR7 is portuguese... it doesn't matter where you're from! What matters is the shirt's collor you are representing! You guys just won another gold medal, you're the best in basketball... why is it so hard to give some love to foreign players that not in their wildest dreams really thought they could play in the NBA? And yet here they are... guys like Giannis or Jokic or Luka, I don't care if they are greek, serbian, or eslovenian! I just love to see them play the game of basketball! In fact, I love it when guys show up in the big stage coming from all parts of the world. Makes me want to know more about them and their countries, and culture. For your own America's sake, when you're gonna learn that you're not alone in this world? That would make life funnier and happier for yourselves...
There is actual a ton of bias in football as well. The same reason Americans want an American superstar is why English people are biased to their players, and they get sold for far more than they’re worth. They also force them to play in England, and as a result, miss out on the great football being played in Italy, Germany, etc. since all they care about is watching their guys. As someone who consistently follows those leagues it is so hard to find media in English where they know a thing about those leagues outside of UCL. It’s this foolish sense of “nationalism” that I will never understand because they just miss out on great futty just like I don’t understand it in the NBA. I’m American and stay on top of so many football leagues around Europe and it’s awesome. I also love the flavor Wemby, Jokic, Sochan, Doncic, etc have brought to the NBA. That mixed with Anthony Edward’s, KAT, etc has created such a good product. However, sadly I don’t think the overall stigma will ever leave, and really nationalism just grows right now :(. So Americans feel almost fear at the fact these Europeans are better than their players instead of just enjoying the awesome and unique way they play. Media plays a huge part in this as well. Hopefully as wemby gets older we get to know a bit more about him I will say that is one issue with how unique the current best player in the world is, jokic. He’s this mystery and not relatable, which I find super captivating in itself but we’re just so ingrained in seeing these athletic stars who dunk crazy and cheat on their baby mamas lol. I have so many thoughts on this in football and NBA if you couldn’t tell lol 😅
@@Labtiger69 I completly agree with you when you say that what many people find strange in Jokic, is exactly what draws me. It is super funny that a guy that plays in the biggest league in the world and makes tons of money cares more about his horses! 😆 I guess some sort of nationalism will always be there like you mention in England and the premier league. Even here in Brazil, despite the fact that it is clear that we don't have good coaches anymore, the confederation and the media still resist in hiring a foreign coach for the national team. Ok... I understand that. But this shouldn't be enough or be the reason why people in America don't care about the NBA anymore. Why? Because there are no great americans? So what? You still have the teams and the games and a lot of great players. Maybe I'm saying this because I don't care. In fact foreign players make the league even more interesting for me. But I'd love even if there weren't foreign players, cause I just love the game.
nobody who cares about the nba cares, but that won't make you a household name, middle america hasnt shown its ready to identify with a superstar who isn't american for the time being
Dirk is probably the foreign star that resonated most with the American public. Felt like everyone loved the guy and he beat the heat that first year when it felt like the hatred for them was at its peak.
Thats a good shout. I think its either Dirk or Yao, I lean Yao because he lead the basketball craze for the entire continent of Asia which still exists today. Worth noting, most megastar athletes have shorter, simpler to remember names. Yao Ming, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Steph Curry, Ronaldo, Tiger Woods, Tom Brady etc. Hard to market a dude like Giannis when half the world cant even say his name lol
Dirk was also drafted at 19 so NBA fans literally got to see him grow up. Good point about beating Lebron, ppl liked Dirk, but when he beat the Heatles ppl Loved him. He delivered the Justice we needed from the basketball gods. He was anointed, you have to love it. Also he was seemingly past his prime (definitely past his era) and he got one because he was that good that season. Dirk earned his admiration, why Giannis, Jokic & Luka don’t get the same love is beyond me. Maybe after Luka wins one.
“No major surprises this year in the NBA” The Cavs are 26-4 ffs, how is that not surprising and not at least worth mentioning!? I hope they win it all because then the National will have to talk about them.
@@charlesmcgovern2395 The small market is part of it, but as good as Mitchell, Garland, Mobley and the rest of the team are - they don’t have any sexy players to capture the general public’s imagination. I think Grizz-Cavs would be a really good Finals, but it would be terrible for ratings.
Wemby in the last 10 games: 28.5 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 4.5 apg, 4.9 bpg with 3.7 made 3’s per game on 47/37/92 shooting splits. This has the makings of 50/40/90 potential… this could be a 7’3” Kevin Durant on offense and the best player in the league on defense. The first player to lead the league in blocks and three-pointers made… multiple career quadruple-doubles… scoring titles and DPOYs - a lot is on the table with Wemby.
Wemby is more boring than Tim Duncan. I get the fantasizing about his upside but I don't get it. He's soft and I'd rather watch Zach Edey body his lanky ass.
@@abuyusufabdulhakim952 Unfortunately, I agree with you. If Americans didn’t care about top 15-20-ish all-time guys like Jokic and Giannis, I doubt they’ll care much about Wemby. What he may have going for him is a shoe line if Nike markets him properly and a more fan-friendly perimeter-oriented game. He can hit logo threes and there are elements of KD in his game. I do think the more he plays on national TV, the more he’ll grow on fans as they see the unprecedented variety of things he’s able to do well. Though I could be wrong. There’s no accounting for taste.
@@ivanirizarry9421 not really they’ve won the most and been around the longest so it would only make sense. At least until other players become champions.
@@simplyjamarr Exactly. They have the most name recognition, move the most units, attract the most eyes, and they're still having great battles/performances! That Olympics run was must-see tv, and that Gold Medal game was one for the ages! As long as they're still in the NBA, they're always gonna be a draw..........
I’d argue they aren’t. I’d say they’re apart of the problem of there being no face right now. I’m a huge NBA fan, I’m friends with a bunch of die hard NBA fans, I don’t know a single person right now who is like “Lebron is on, we gotta turn this game on!!!” I think fans who watch 1 basketball game every month like LeBron and Curry. I think real nba fans without league pass sit and home and wait for real teams to play.
@@eliyarrows2456The rebuttal to your argument is evident in the ratings of nationally televised games. The Lakers, Warriors and Celtics have had the highest rated regular season games over the last two seasons regardless of who they play. The Nuggets and Bucks are among the lowest rated nationally televised games despite having the two best players in the league on their respective teams. As great as Jokic and Giannis are, no one is tuning in to watch them play in the regular season. Lebron and Curry, regardless of how good their teams are or are not, are the marquee draws.
I love the podcast, but the negativity over the league and this obsession with stars needing to be American does get a bit tiring. The next Lebron/Jordan/Kobe will come if they haven’t already, we are having a fantastic regular season so far, let’s enjoy it
Sometimes it feels like we just say “oh it has to be an American” and I don’t understand that at all when they literally made a full-out Disney movie about Giannis’s life story
@@prod.snqwfall1347 Bill doesn't even address the negativity in the NBA, he dances around it. My guess is youre both too young to know what you're missing. Bill does and he's full of it with his faux positivity. I care about the NBA which is WHY I trash it for being a trash product currently. And I won't stop until it improves because I have a memory.
@ totally agree. I’m from the UK but it amazes me he isn’t pushed as an American success story. Obviously he’s Greek, but he came from poverty, barely getting by with his family. He gets to the US, he’s a ‘project’ draft pick and works so hard that he becomes an unstoppable star. He’s got a great winners mentality too. Isn’t that sort of thing supposed to typify America?
@@charlesmcgovern2395 it’s not a trash product because your stars aren’t American. It’s a trash product because the promotion and tv presentation (outside of TNT) is a disaster. Hell, the league can’t even start the games on time.
Number one, he's a podcaster. He needs things to talk and debate about. Two, most of the foreign players do as little press as possible and usually aren't charismatic on or off the court. It's marketability. No one denies his great Jokic is, but the guy clearly wants to stay out of the spotlight.
@@jhank0cean I agree, Christmas Day should be the first Celtics Knicks game next season. I anticipate both teams meeting in the postseason this season. The next meeting after should be built up.
@dearmas9068 idk He will 1000% be a star maybe even an all-star but I haven't seen anything YET to make me believe he will be him. If anything Ja or Ant fit that mold better.
@dearmas9068 The players didn't say anything I haven't heard regurgitated over top prospects in the media over the last decade. I'm not convinced he's HIM YET relax. Stop glazing.
@@aczeos people who say "glaze" disqualify themselves from having an opinion. You should consider paying attention and maybe even learn a bit about the sport. Flagg has the gift and its not hard to see.
@@Shortballa11 are you sure you understand how the salary cap works? Unless you mean Butler leaves and gets nothing, which is what would happen. Unless he wants to go to a bottom feeder team no contender has cap space to sign him for as much as the contract he'll be opting out of.
@@Wilcoranking team can always make cap space when they need to. If Miami doesnt trade Jimmy, he signs else where for 3 years 100mil, and Miami heat get zero assets back. Simple as that
Why doesn’t bill even mention the Knicks. They literally have the most talented starting line up in the whole nba. Meantime they’re talking about sixers and Bucs as true contenders LOL
The #1 place I go for NBA analysis. Great job as usual Bill. Great job as usual House. Great job as usual Wildes. Go get that half marathon. I take that back immediately. Do some sprints. Then have a cigar. Stay gold Ponyboy.
The answer to 'why is this generational transition not as good as the ones before?' is much simpler and really obvious if you ask me: Steph and Lebron haven't declined as much as you would expect at their age, especially with Lebron who is 40. Two decades ago, you would have naturally passed the torch by retiring or accepting a more symbolic role on a team. This is clearly not the case and so our minds are still set on these two great legends. Fans are still wondering if they have another chapter to write (and better squad building would have definitely allowed that for them both). There is no actual vacuum for someone to step into. It takes a monumental american talent (I mean Jordan-esque) to rise and snatch the spotlight away from these types of generational, league-defining superstars - and I'm not sure even this does the trick. Perhaps if Ant was having an unequivocal MVP year after what we've seen from him last season - things would have felt a tad differently.
Wemby, as a player, is the future of the league. However, as far as being a star, 7 footers aren't usually embraced by the masses. And Derozan's problem is Mike Brown's offense, not his game -- he's averaging 20 a game on 48% shooting as the 3rd option on a team that doesn't prioritize what he does best which is score off iso's from 20 feet and in.
I agree with a caveat. Although Shaq was awesome, more people imitated Penny. Most 7 footers don't play a style people can or want to imitate as kids. Dirk was the only 7 footer who resonated to some degree because 1) the NBA's jobbing him in 06, 2) him taking down the Heatles in 2011, and, most importantly 3) he played like a guard. People and loved Dirk's shooting. He played an outside style. The inside game doesn't get people excited for the most part. Kids on the playground don't imitate players who's game is exclusively inside.
I dont think celtics are repeating anyway. For the amount of talent they have they should be winning more regular season games. They live and die by the 3 and turn on and off their intensity. Cant count on porzingis either
OKC isn’t going to the Finals…Chet Holmgren won’t survive the post-season. His current injury was caused by contesting a layup from Andrew Wiggins, who plays the 3.
Fox has never made an all star team but is a top 15 guy?? How? And no, injured reserves for all star games do not count in my book. What if all 12 or 13 guys nominated for all star game on both sides were all injured? So we would then allow 50 guys in one season to be dubbed "all stars"!?!?!? 🤣🤣🤣
Injury reserve definitely counts. Because it’s pretty guaranteed every year and at the end of the day it’s on your record. Plenty of young guys like Paolo were injury replacements
Why do people act like these media/fan created awards actually matter. His numbers and on court play shows hes an extremely impactful player. Lebron and Curry are gonna be in all star games until they are 55 lol its not a true metric of the best players
Wemby has more shooting / perimeter ball skills than any of those previous great bigs that didn't resonate with casual fans. There's an argument to be made that he can overcome the 7' stigma
Jimmy Butler is the most important trade piece this trade deadline. Miami will trade Jimmy if these other teams get serious with their offers. I can see 5 or 6 teams jumping into the championship picture if they grab Jimmy before the deadline.
Bill doubting the clippers again smh. After going through one of the tougher schedules so far to start without kawhi and a handful of games without N.Powell & T. Mann. And kawhi should return early next year with a softer schedule going forward
Whoever is going to be the face of the league is going to have to go and take it. The NBA can’t just give it to you. One of these young guys is going to have an MVP season and make a legendary playoff run.
Wemby is under contract for the next 2 and a half seasons at about $15mil annually. Hes already putting up first team all NBA stats and impact - so, if not already, he's going to be a "first-option on a title team" talent for the 2026 and 2027 playoffs, while being 40-50mil cheaper than his peers. The spurs need to act now to build a contender for those 2 seasons, because that type of luxury is an absolute godsend for building a roster in the new CBA era. Year 3 or 4 Wemby with avengers >>> Slightly superior Wemby with god-knows-what of a roster
@@thewalruswasjason101 Hes 2nd only to Jokic in net rating on/off swing, more than Shai, Luka, Giannis. That team is objectively Dallas-level when hes on the floor and objectively Blazers-level when hes off. And hes shown a pretty clear positive trajectory so if hes not 3rd best player itw rn, in a year he will be. Then you have two whole years of an extra all-star slot on the salary cap?
Bam Adebayo tonight 2 of 10 4points 9 boards 5 blocks getting around 35 million this year, and is due 48,52, and 56 million in 2026, 2027, and 2028. This is a future problem down the line for Miami. The ownership of their draft picks from 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 are all tricky because of protections and when things are conveyable and how some roll over into the next year. Miami headed for the play-in hamster wheel
The fact that someone (wink, wink, Jimmy and Bernie Lee) had to leak the trade rumors to none other than Shams Charania showed how impossible it was to move Jimmy. The only team that allowed Jimmy be Jimmy and had success with him was the Heat and when they're not interested in extending him, I don't know who would. I guess, like Bill said, trades are hard to come by in today's NBA, so if we had to be worked up about something, it's Jimmy.
Listen man, Pat ain't playing around these kids. I don't think this is gonna change much around the NBA as much as I wish it would. Miami is a very unique situation though. Riley is THE BOSS. All the other owners need to take notice.
So Bill not “all in” anymore on “Wemby’s stock” after one and a half season, just as he’s starting to kick ass all over the NBA, 6th in MVP ladder, guaranteed future DPOY… What’s going on here? I don’t get it. So all that hype was somewhat calculated? ESPN type of S***? I put you as high as I can just so that I can see you fall dramatically? Jesus… Even Bill… Farewell 👋🏻
They did not like the possible offers out there so they backed out for now. And made the statement they aren't trading him. I do not believe them one ioda.
One of the reasons the early 90s transition felt organic is that the stars of the late 70s and 80s were totally washed in a way that is not at all analogous to how Steph and LeBron are still top 5-10 players in the league
So the old man(Pat Riley) makes a “Old Man” decision and that’s a good thing?? So he decides NOT to trade Jimmy only to lose him for nothing in a few months?? He has a PLAYERS OPTION for next year. So JB is in TOTAL CONTROL. Not Pat Riley and the Heat. Not to mention Jimmy Butler is probably the most STUBBORN player in the NBA today!!
I had a discussion with an Englander on NYE here in Nevada County about The New England Revolution. At times, sierras SEEMS quite similar to Boston. Realistically, basketball is not getting less important here. Also, many here DO follow one, sometimes two soccer leagues. That might be because sierras often sends significant athletes out on loan. However, I have seen little Multiplayer here in the sierras. The Bay Area servers do at times, get extremely HARDCORE, for Multiplayer. However, pro basketball does not seem likely to neglect Multiplayer anytime soon, from what I've seen, NBA is doubling down on Multiplayer.
All of these stars can be had FOR THE RIGHT PRICE it’s also crucial to trade a guy a year before they’re going to ask for a trade to maximize your return You can trade a player who goes on to win a championship like AD with the Pelicans and STILL be the best move for your franchise Kings need to trade Fox if they can get a big return
How about the games going back to 2 hours? How about less tv timeouts? How about letting the poor of the World being able to access the NBA? NAH it's definitely just coz American Stars. SMH!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, the future face of the nba "issue" is like 11th on the list of biggest problems the league has. And internationally, its not actually a problem. The biggest problem in the league is the most exciting part of a game (the last 2 minutes of a close game) being completely unwatchable.
@@Weaponator18Teams fouling at the end of games when up 3 is legitimately game ruining in some instances and the league needs to find a solution immediately.
Wemby was on free over the air ABC. also want the players to get paid? need the TV Contracts, with the contracts comes needing to pay for it. hence commercials
Joe House says “where do you get this/next season if fox goes to san antonio?” Then 1 minute later says “fox should stay with Sacramento bc they are the thick of it, playoffs wise” Sir, sacramento is 13-18 and below san Antonio in the standings lol So ill answer your question, they get further to contending for top seeds/ championships if he goes to san antonio as he is entering his prime while sacramento is flailing downward
dirk had to be the most popular foreign player. we used to do chappelle show style race redrafts and as niggas we always picked dirk. the one legged fade was a signature as todays step back
Better matchups next season when the NBA is back on NBC. San Antonio vs New York - alien visits the Mecca Boston vs Milwaukee - top 2 teams in the east
"The Kings have a DeRozen problem" is as true today as it was when the Spurs were robbed of Kawhi and were given a DeRozen problem as consolation. As a Spurs fan, I can confirm that he has not been a helpful player to an NBA team since he left Toronto. Don't tell me Chicago, because I'd ask how many playoff games they won with him.
If the nba needs a mew erican star its just dumb because my grandfather who isnt a huge basketball fan watched the wemby game and he loved watching wemby and sochan play together
Shaq was the man in school and on the playground from like 93 on. Everyone was in Orlando Magic clothes. Everyone was either a Magic or Bulls fan in NY. That was because of Shaq. I had his shoes and his posters.
I think the noon game had the second best ratings of all the Christmas games after Steph LeBron. Don’t really consider Wemby buried at that time. It’s before the nfl games, right after presents, and on before you need to travel somewhere.
I don't know if it's so much that the best players are foreign born as much as most are in smaller markets so less media coverage and smaller team fan bases? If Jokic or Giannis were on a teams like the Lakers or Knicks, won championships on them, they'd probably be all over national advertisements if they wanted that.
The reason teams don’t make statements like that is because it’s bad for business. Anyone can get traded. Classic out of touch old guy move by Pat Riley
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It should be Tatum and Jokic with Ant coming up right behind them for face of the league, but Tatum just isn’t that popular. Jokic is foreign, a big man, and private. And then there’s Ant who isn’t consistent and hasn’t accomplished a whole lot yet. It’s a transition period. It’ll get sorted out.
Agreed. But I think people loved the Magic generally as the up and comers and loved Penny just as much because we thought he would be the next guy. I had a ton of Orlando gear and Penny's shoes while even loving Shaq. More kids on the street imitated Penny than Shaq because no one could imitate him. So although a star, more people were looking for that next wing.
@catman-du8927 You keep thinking that way and watch what happens to you after life on earth. Lol. You probably think volunteering in war and killing, is not murder either. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kings fan. I don't want to trade Fox, but House questioning why the Spurs might want him?? Um, 27 year all star guard. I don't know if he''s a top 20 player as Bill suggested, but certainly top 30
Why does the “face of the league” need to be American and a perimeter player for the league to be successful? I am American and Wemby, Giannis, and Jokic are three of my four favorite players to watch and follow (Dame being the fourth) - all foreign bigs.
Why doesn’t bill even mention the Knicks. They literally have the most talented starting line up in the whole nba. Meantime they’re talking about sixers and Bucs as true contenders LOL
Riley is saving face,if they could get any kind of postive trade asset for an expensive 35 year old player who wants an extension that goes until he is 39-40 they would trade him in a heartbeat. However because of the NBA's complicated cap apron rules he is harder to move then a comparable player of the same talent/age/value would be even 2 years ago.
He was a fun experience, and for a while it felt like it could be amazing, but you're right! Really good player, cool story, but never lifted off to greatness.
Jokic i think is the best player in the league, but dude doesn't seem to even like basketball (at least doesn't like talking about it)... that's not your "face of the league". Have to be charismatic 🤷 Also, Bill's revisionist history of Shaq is insane. Dude walked onto the NBA court as the second most popular player behind Mike (unless you were already in your old-man-yells-at-cloud era).
I may be in the minority but I dont care if A good player is not from America. I like to see his mad skillz yo. I like the pick and roll, the give and go. I like the way they dribble up and down the court. I really dont care if they are from Europe or Argentina or wherever. I also dont care if a good team is from LA or from OKC or Utah or Atlanta. I just want to watch good teams.
It's hilarious and unsurprising that old Billy.thinks a checkmate is not trading a player that has carried a franchise for 5 years, while not adding a single All Star caliber player to the roster.....
It’s a testament to American xenophobia that the NBA has been gifted Wemby and Americans are kinda tuning out purely bc he was born and grew up in a different place to them. Obvs there’s more reasons why the NBA is seen as declining but the fact this is even accepted as part of it is crazy to me as someone from England lol
The NBA will fuck up and continue to promote old terrible teams instead of the younger better squads and I’m all for it. The nba deserves this criticism. No originality. No creativity. Banking on has-been stars to carry a league full of hungry talented ballers. Can’t wait until the collective panic when Lebron, KD, and Steph retire. The nba will be better for it.
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bill saying shaq wasnt popular and took awhile to catch on in the 90s is insane
As a little boy and a diehard Bulls fan I bought some Shaq Magic gear right after he was drafted. It's totally insane. The dude was so much fun instantly.
Lol. He had a video game. A couple movies. A top selling rap record. Top selling shoes. Riiighhhttt he didn't catch on at first. Everyone was wearing an Orlando magic starter coat.
Shaq was that guy from day 1. He’s being selective with his memory.
Shaq craze was massive in orlando
He was a really popular player even in college
Im glad the videos are coming out more frequently now
For someone who is not american (brazilian) that loves America and the NBA, and actually lived in the US for a while, I still don't quite understand why you guys need an american super star playing in the league do draw interest from the audience. Look at the real football (not soccer) all around the world! People in Spain don't care if Messi is argentinian or english people don't care if CR7 is portuguese... it doesn't matter where you're from! What matters is the shirt's collor you are representing! You guys just won another gold medal, you're the best in basketball... why is it so hard to give some love to foreign players that not in their wildest dreams really thought they could play in the NBA? And yet here they are... guys like Giannis or Jokic or Luka, I don't care if they are greek, serbian, or eslovenian! I just love to see them play the game of basketball! In fact, I love it when guys show up in the big stage coming from all parts of the world. Makes me want to know more about them and their countries, and culture. For your own America's sake, when you're gonna learn that you're not alone in this world? That would make life funnier and happier for yourselves...
There is actual a ton of bias in football as well. The same reason Americans want an American superstar is why English people are biased to their players, and they get sold for far more than they’re worth. They also force them to play in England, and as a result, miss out on the great football being played in Italy, Germany, etc. since all they care about is watching their guys. As someone who consistently follows those leagues it is so hard to find media in English where they know a thing about those leagues outside of UCL. It’s this foolish sense of “nationalism” that I will never understand because they just miss out on great futty just like I don’t understand it in the NBA. I’m American and stay on top of so many football leagues around Europe and it’s awesome. I also love the flavor Wemby, Jokic, Sochan, Doncic, etc have brought to the NBA. That mixed with Anthony Edward’s, KAT, etc has created such a good product. However, sadly I don’t think the overall stigma will ever leave, and really nationalism just grows right now :(. So Americans feel almost fear at the fact these Europeans are better than their players instead of just enjoying the awesome and unique way they play. Media plays a huge part in this as well. Hopefully as wemby gets older we get to know a bit more about him I will say that is one issue with how unique the current best player in the world is, jokic. He’s this mystery and not relatable, which I find super captivating in itself but we’re just so ingrained in seeing these athletic stars who dunk crazy and cheat on their baby mamas lol. I have so many thoughts on this in football and NBA if you couldn’t tell lol 😅
@@Labtiger69 I completly agree with you when you say that what many people find strange in Jokic, is exactly what draws me. It is super funny that a guy that plays in the biggest league in the world and makes tons of money cares more about his horses! 😆
I guess some sort of nationalism will always be there like you mention in England and the premier league. Even here in Brazil, despite the fact that it is clear that we don't have good coaches anymore, the confederation and the media still resist in hiring a foreign coach for the national team. Ok... I understand that. But this shouldn't be enough or be the reason why people in America don't care about the NBA anymore. Why? Because there are no great americans? So what? You still have the teams and the games and a lot of great players. Maybe I'm saying this because I don't care. In fact foreign players make the league even more interesting for me. But I'd love even if there weren't foreign players, cause I just love the game.
nobody who cares about the nba cares, but that won't make you a household name, middle america hasnt shown its ready to identify with a superstar who isn't american for the time being
@@annie420xx guess that's true too.
The foreign players generally shun the media and usually aren't charismatic on or off the court.
Dirk is probably the foreign star that resonated most with the American public. Felt like everyone loved the guy and he beat the heat that first year when it felt like the hatred for them was at its peak.
Thats a good shout. I think its either Dirk or Yao, I lean Yao because he lead the basketball craze for the entire continent of Asia which still exists today. Worth noting, most megastar athletes have shorter, simpler to remember names. Yao Ming, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Steph Curry, Ronaldo, Tiger Woods, Tom Brady etc. Hard to market a dude like Giannis when half the world cant even say his name lol
Americans liked foreign players more when the best players were still Americans mostly. Today the top 5 guys basically are foriegners
Dirk was also drafted at 19 so NBA fans literally got to see him grow up. Good point about beating Lebron, ppl liked Dirk, but when he beat the Heatles ppl Loved him. He delivered the Justice we needed from the basketball gods. He was anointed, you have to love it. Also he was seemingly past his prime (definitely past his era) and he got one because he was that good that season. Dirk earned his admiration, why Giannis, Jokic & Luka don’t get the same love is beyond me. Maybe after Luka wins one.
Dirks beloved since his title
He really wasnt before
In my eyes Giannis was and is the foreigner with the biggest hype
@@poorchris I mean, Duncan is the 7th greatest player of all-time;
1 - He *is* better, it's not even close
2 - There's no shame in being worse than TD
“No major surprises this year in the NBA”
The Cavs are 26-4 ffs, how is that not surprising and not at least worth mentioning!? I hope they win it all because then the National will have to talk about them.
And when they dont win it all, nobody will bat an eye.
And if they do win it all, they will be ignored like the Spurs and Raptors were.
@@jdankerdake The small market curse.
The cavs are boring to watch. Same with the celtics.
@@charlesmcgovern2395 The small market is part of it, but as good as Mitchell, Garland, Mobley and the rest of the team are - they don’t have any sexy players to capture the general public’s imagination. I think Grizz-Cavs would be a really good Finals, but it would be terrible for ratings.
Wemby in the last 10 games: 28.5 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 4.5 apg, 4.9 bpg with 3.7 made 3’s per game on 47/37/92 shooting splits.
This has the makings of 50/40/90 potential… this could be a 7’3” Kevin Durant on offense and the best player in the league on defense. The first player to lead the league in blocks and three-pointers made… multiple career quadruple-doubles… scoring titles and DPOYs - a lot is on the table with Wemby.
Nahhh 😂
Wembys soft
Wemby is more boring than Tim Duncan. I get the fantasizing about his upside but I don't get it. He's soft and I'd rather watch Zach Edey body his lanky ass.
But he's not American, so Americans will not care 😂😂😂
@@abuyusufabdulhakim952 Unfortunately, I agree with you. If Americans didn’t care about top 15-20-ish all-time guys like Jokic and Giannis, I doubt they’ll care much about Wemby. What he may have going for him is a shoe line if Nike markets him properly and a more fan-friendly perimeter-oriented game. He can hit logo threes and there are elements of KD in his game.
I do think the more he plays on national TV, the more he’ll grow on fans as they see the unprecedented variety of things he’s able to do well. Though I could be wrong. There’s no accounting for taste.
Lebron and Curry being the face of the league atp is crazy
@@ivanirizarry9421 not really they’ve won the most and been around the longest so it would only make sense. At least until other players become champions.
@@simplyjamarr Exactly. They have the most name recognition, move the most units, attract the most eyes, and they're still having great battles/performances! That Olympics run was must-see tv, and that Gold Medal game was one for the ages! As long as they're still in the NBA, they're always gonna be a draw..........
yup, ant is overrated and everyone else is boring, no aura
I’d argue they aren’t. I’d say they’re apart of the problem of there being no face right now.
I’m a huge NBA fan, I’m friends with a bunch of die hard NBA fans, I don’t know a single person right now who is like “Lebron is on, we gotta turn this game on!!!”
I think fans who watch 1 basketball game every month like LeBron and Curry. I think real nba fans without league pass sit and home and wait for real teams to play.
@@eliyarrows2456The rebuttal to your argument is evident in the ratings of nationally televised games. The Lakers, Warriors and Celtics have had the highest rated regular season games over the last two seasons regardless of who they play. The Nuggets and Bucks are among the lowest rated nationally televised games despite having the two best players in the league on their respective teams. As great as Jokic and Giannis are, no one is tuning in to watch them play in the regular season. Lebron and Curry, regardless of how good their teams are or are not, are the marquee draws.
I love the podcast, but the negativity over the league and this obsession with stars needing to be American does get a bit tiring. The next Lebron/Jordan/Kobe will come if they haven’t already, we are having a fantastic regular season so far, let’s enjoy it
Sometimes it feels like we just say “oh it has to be an American” and I don’t understand that at all when they literally made a full-out Disney movie about Giannis’s life story
@@prod.snqwfall1347 Bill doesn't even address the negativity in the NBA, he dances around it. My guess is youre both too young to know what you're missing. Bill does and he's full of it with his faux positivity. I care about the NBA which is WHY I trash it for being a trash product currently. And I won't stop until it improves because I have a memory.
@ totally agree. I’m from the UK but it amazes me he isn’t pushed as an American success story. Obviously he’s Greek, but he came from poverty, barely getting by with his family. He gets to the US, he’s a ‘project’ draft pick and works so hard that he becomes an unstoppable star. He’s got a great winners mentality too. Isn’t that sort of thing supposed to typify America?
@@charlesmcgovern2395 it’s not a trash product because your stars aren’t American. It’s a trash product because the promotion and tv presentation (outside of TNT) is a disaster. Hell, the league can’t even start the games on time.
Number one, he's a podcaster. He needs things to talk and debate about. Two, most of the foreign players do as little press as possible and usually aren't charismatic on or off the court. It's marketability. No one denies his great Jokic is, but the guy clearly wants to stay out of the spotlight.
Bill's worst nightmare is seeing #22 in the playoffs for the Miami Heat
A half-decade ago, sure.
@@claydouglas2526 a year and a half ago lol
@@claydouglas2526 2023 ECF was a half decade ago?
@@jareddickerson5127 damn bros living in 2028 💀
@@jareddickerson5127 shit since you there how was trumps 2nd term?
"Wemby in the Garden, the Alien visiting Mecca" should be one of the Christmas games for the foreseeable future.
Wemby vs chet shpuld be for sure as well same for wemby vs giannis
Celtics @ Knicks next year would be a better show
Thunder @ Spurs would be an awesome watch with a healthy Chet
I want spurs v bucks, that’s a superhero movie
@@jhank0cean I agree, Christmas Day should be the first Celtics Knicks game next season. I anticipate both teams meeting in the postseason this season. The next meeting after should be built up.
@@ollytropics1735Oohh… another Wemby vs. Giannis matchup would be great. That was one of the best games last season.
I think Zion’s fall plays a bigger part than folks admit. He was the force the league needed, and its been a mad scramble since he fizzled out
Agreed. Flagg might be that guy though
@dearmas9068 idk He will 1000% be a star maybe even an all-star but I haven't seen anything YET to make me believe he will be him. If anything Ja or Ant fit that mold better.
@@aczeos you mean besides the fact that he impressed the hell out of Bron and KD as a 17 year old practicing with team USA?
Stop...
@dearmas9068 The players didn't say anything I haven't heard regurgitated over top prospects in the media over the last decade. I'm not convinced he's HIM YET relax. Stop glazing.
@@aczeos people who say "glaze" disqualify themselves from having an opinion.
You should consider paying attention and maybe even learn a bit about the sport. Flagg has the gift and its not hard to see.
All gms say they arent trading players now Riley is some genius for saying it 😂
@@mattwhitely1067 it’s weird considering Jimmy can leave for nothing in the off season
@@Shortballa11 are you sure you understand how the salary cap works?
Unless you mean Butler leaves and gets nothing, which is what would happen. Unless he wants to go to a bottom feeder team no contender has cap space to sign him for as much as the contract he'll be opting out of.
@@Wilcoranking team can always make cap space when they need to. If Miami doesnt trade Jimmy, he signs else where for 3 years 100mil, and Miami heat get zero assets back. Simple as that
@@Shortballa11 No one in signing a 36 years old small (injury prone player) to a multi 33 mil per year contract.
@@costasheat nobody is signing butler to a 50mil/year contract. He will definitely get 30mil/year. Absolutely no doubt. The whole issue is 50 not 30
Love you guys .... great stuff. Love you're takes on all things sports!!!
Bill is spot on with everything said about butler n i like this apron business everybody gotta make smarter moves now
Wemby didn’t flop got his foot stepped on
ll they literally rescinded the technical on Wemby cause they said "oh see his foot was stepped on" yet were still doing the "he flopped" crap
Excellent recap between Bill and Joe. Love the deep discussions on these teams
I will watch Bill bring the same 6 lenses to NBA stories for the rest of my life and enjoy it. 😂
I am easily satisfied.
Why doesn’t bill even mention the Knicks. They literally have the most talented starting line up in the whole nba. Meantime they’re talking about sixers and Bucs as true contenders LOL
@@smartyjonez5470the "most talented starting lineup" has a 20-10 record.. they're nice, but they'd be 4th in the west.
I'm loving this argument. Sure Wemby shows promise but he's French. Therefore, there's a problem we must talk about. LOL!!!!
The #1 place I go for NBA analysis. Great job as usual Bill. Great job as usual House. Great job as usual Wildes. Go get that half marathon. I take that back immediately. Do some sprints. Then have a cigar. Stay gold Ponyboy.
The answer to 'why is this generational transition not as good as the ones before?'
is much simpler and really obvious if you ask me: Steph and Lebron haven't declined as much as you would expect at their age, especially with Lebron who is 40.
Two decades ago, you would have naturally passed the torch by retiring or accepting a more symbolic role on a team.
This is clearly not the case and so our minds are still set on these two great legends. Fans are still wondering if they have another chapter to write (and better squad building would have definitely allowed that for them both). There is no actual vacuum for someone to step into.
It takes a monumental american talent (I mean Jordan-esque) to rise and snatch the spotlight away from these types of generational, league-defining superstars - and I'm not sure even this does the trick. Perhaps if Ant was having an unequivocal MVP year after what we've seen from him last season - things would have felt a tad differently.
Wemby, as a player, is the future of the league. However, as far as being a star, 7 footers aren't usually embraced by the masses.
And Derozan's problem is Mike Brown's offense, not his game -- he's averaging 20 a game on 48% shooting as the 3rd option on a team that doesn't prioritize what he does best which is score off iso's from 20 feet and in.
I agree with a caveat. Although Shaq was awesome, more people imitated Penny. Most 7 footers don't play a style people can or want to imitate as kids. Dirk was the only 7 footer who resonated to some degree because 1) the NBA's jobbing him in 06, 2) him taking down the Heatles in 2011, and, most importantly 3) he played like a guard. People and loved Dirk's shooting. He played an outside style. The inside game doesn't get people excited for the most part. Kids on the playground don't imitate players who's game is exclusively inside.
Bill is afraid that Jimmy would get traded to a contender and make it harder for the Celtics to repeat.
I dont think celtics are repeating anyway. For the amount of talent they have they should be winning more regular season games. They live and die by the 3 and turn on and off their intensity. Cant count on porzingis either
OKC isn’t going to the Finals…Chet Holmgren won’t survive the post-season. His current injury was caused by contesting a layup from Andrew Wiggins, who plays the 3.
Fox has never made an all star team but is a top 15 guy?? How? And no, injured reserves for all star games do not count in my book. What if all 12 or 13 guys nominated for all star game on both sides were all injured? So we would then allow 50 guys in one season to be dubbed "all stars"!?!?!? 🤣🤣🤣
Injury reserve definitely counts. Because it’s pretty guaranteed every year and at the end of the day it’s on your record. Plenty of young guys like Paolo were injury replacements
Why do people act like these media/fan created awards actually matter. His numbers and on court play shows hes an extremely impactful player. Lebron and Curry are gonna be in all star games until they are 55 lol its not a true metric of the best players
@@Bobbleheads56 because they do. Your resume determines whether or not you make the HOF
@@Shortballa11 which shows how phoney and media driven this league is…..again why should a fan vote determine your skill on the court?
@@Bobbleheads56 agreed, but its just reality
Bradley Beal: “Phew”
Wemby has more shooting / perimeter ball skills than any of those previous great bigs that didn't resonate with casual fans. There's an argument to be made that he can overcome the 7' stigma
Jimmy Butler is the most important trade piece this trade deadline. Miami will trade Jimmy if these other teams get serious with their offers. I can see 5 or 6 teams jumping into the championship picture if they grab Jimmy before the deadline.
2nd apron fucks over good trades. You can't make a good trade with the restrictions.
Matching his money, staying a complete team, and enticing Miami enough to make them want to do a deal is looking impossible
@@gators9570anything should entice Miami considering they can lose him for nothing this summer
Which team will have $60M in capspace next summer? @@Shortballa11
Bill doubting the clippers again smh. After going through one of the tougher schedules so far to start without kawhi and a handful of games without N.Powell & T. Mann. And kawhi should return early next year with a softer schedule going forward
Clips have always been a "if this happens" team. It never happens
lol "Kawhi returning" thats funny
Whoever is going to be the face of the league is going to have to go and take it. The NBA can’t just give it to you. One of these young guys is going to have an MVP season and make a legendary playoff run.
Wemby is under contract for the next 2 and a half seasons at about $15mil annually. Hes already putting up first team all NBA stats and impact - so, if not already, he's going to be a "first-option on a title team" talent for the 2026 and 2027 playoffs, while being 40-50mil cheaper than his peers. The spurs need to act now to build a contender for those 2 seasons, because that type of luxury is an absolute godsend for building a roster in the new CBA era. Year 3 or 4 Wemby with avengers >>> Slightly superior Wemby with god-knows-what of a roster
Impact?!😂😂 the team sucks. Great players make their teams better. He’s a really tall guy. Whoopee
@@thewalruswasjason101 Hes 2nd only to Jokic in net rating on/off swing, more than Shai, Luka, Giannis. That team is objectively Dallas-level when hes on the floor and objectively Blazers-level when hes off. And hes shown a pretty clear positive trajectory so if hes not 3rd best player itw rn, in a year he will be. Then you have two whole years of an extra all-star slot on the salary cap?
@@CountFiscoI wouldn't bother responding to someone that posted a comment as dumb as he did
Wemby is good-looking and charismatic. It’s him.
Bam Adebayo tonight 2 of 10 4points 9 boards 5 blocks getting around 35 million this year, and is due 48,52, and 56 million in 2026, 2027, and 2028. This is a future problem down the line for Miami. The ownership of their draft picks from 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 are all tricky because of protections and when things are conveyable and how some roll over into the next year. Miami headed for the play-in hamster wheel
Love Pat Riley.
The fact that someone (wink, wink, Jimmy and Bernie Lee) had to leak the trade rumors to none other than Shams Charania showed how impossible it was to move Jimmy. The only team that allowed Jimmy be Jimmy and had success with him was the Heat and when they're not interested in extending him, I don't know who would. I guess, like Bill said, trades are hard to come by in today's NBA, so if we had to be worked up about something, it's Jimmy.
The driveway analogy is nasty work. 😂
Listen man, Pat ain't playing around these kids.
I don't think this is gonna change much around the NBA as much as I wish it would. Miami is a very unique situation though. Riley is THE BOSS. All the other owners need to take notice.
We Don’t Believe you PAT u need more people 😂😂😂😂😂
So Bill not “all in” anymore on “Wemby’s stock” after one and a half season, just as he’s starting to kick ass all over the NBA, 6th in MVP ladder, guaranteed future DPOY… What’s going on here? I don’t get it. So all that hype was somewhat calculated? ESPN type of S***? I put you as high as I can just so that I can see you fall dramatically? Jesus… Even Bill… Farewell 👋🏻
I love Castle too.
"we didn't sign Odell beckham to trade him "
Gets traded two weeks later
He is french 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣
They did not like the possible offers out there so they backed out for now. And made the statement they aren't trading him. I do not believe them one ioda.
One of the reasons the early 90s transition felt organic is that the stars of the late 70s and 80s were totally washed in a way that is not at all analogous to how Steph and LeBron are still top 5-10 players in the league
So the old man(Pat Riley) makes a “Old Man” decision and that’s a good thing?? So he decides NOT to trade Jimmy only to lose him for nothing in a few months?? He has a PLAYERS OPTION for next year. So JB is in TOTAL CONTROL. Not Pat Riley and the Heat. Not to mention Jimmy Butler is probably the most STUBBORN player in the NBA today!!
I had a discussion with an Englander on NYE here in Nevada County about The New England Revolution.
At times, sierras SEEMS quite similar to Boston.
Realistically, basketball is not getting less important here.
Also, many here DO follow one, sometimes two soccer leagues. That might be because sierras often sends significant athletes out on loan.
However, I have seen little Multiplayer here in the sierras.
The Bay Area servers do at times, get extremely HARDCORE, for Multiplayer. However, pro basketball does not seem likely to neglect Multiplayer anytime soon, from what I've seen, NBA is doubling down on Multiplayer.
All of these stars can be had FOR THE RIGHT PRICE
it’s also crucial to trade a guy a year before they’re going to ask for a trade to maximize your return
You can trade a player who goes on to win a championship like AD with the Pelicans and STILL be the best move for your franchise
Kings need to trade Fox if they can get a big return
How about the games going back to 2 hours? How about less tv timeouts? How about letting the poor of the World being able to access the NBA? NAH it's definitely just coz American Stars. SMH!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, the future face of the nba "issue" is like 11th on the list of biggest problems the league has. And internationally, its not actually a problem.
The biggest problem in the league is the most exciting part of a game (the last 2 minutes of a close game) being completely unwatchable.
@@Weaponator18 Completely agree
@@Weaponator18Teams fouling at the end of games when up 3 is legitimately game ruining in some instances and the league needs to find a solution immediately.
Wemby was on free over the air ABC. also want the players to get paid? need the TV Contracts, with the contracts comes needing to pay for it. hence commercials
Wemby is already captivating the world. He is big but he has perimeter player
Joe House says “where do you get this/next season if fox goes to san antonio?”
Then 1 minute later says “fox should stay with Sacramento bc they are the thick of it, playoffs wise”
Sir, sacramento is 13-18 and below san Antonio in the standings lol
So ill answer your question, they get further to contending for top seeds/ championships if he goes to san antonio as he is entering his prime while sacramento is flailing downward
you put Fox in SA's starting lineup with Vassal Sochan Wemby and Barnes. whew.... it opens up so much stuff.
dirk had to be the most popular foreign player. we used to do chappelle show style race redrafts and as niggas we always picked dirk. the one legged fade was a signature as todays step back
How do you see cp3 on a team and go under 🤷🏽♂️ he has improved every team he’s started on. Facts!
NBA actually got their under 30 superstar. She plays for the Indiana Fever.
Nobody knows about her...Whole world knows about Jokic Giannis and Doncic.
NBA teams need to do what the Miami heat just did.
Damn straight so they can shut the media up
Giannis and Tatum are legitimate next faces of the league.
Everyone trying to crown a non -champion so quick 😢
Better matchups next season when the NBA is back on NBC.
San Antonio vs New York - alien visits the Mecca
Boston vs Milwaukee - top 2 teams in the east
"Well he is french"😂😂😂😂 awesome
What a damn shame about Butler, couldn’t be happening to a better guy.
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"The Kings have a DeRozen problem" is as true today as it was when the Spurs were robbed of Kawhi and were given a DeRozen problem as consolation. As a Spurs fan, I can confirm that he has not been a helpful player to an NBA team since he left Toronto. Don't tell me Chicago, because I'd ask how many playoff games they won with him.
If the nba needs a mew erican star its just dumb because my grandfather who isnt a huge basketball fan watched the wemby game and he loved watching wemby and sochan play together
Shaq was the man in school and on the playground from like 93 on. Everyone was in Orlando Magic clothes. Everyone was either a Magic or Bulls fan in NY. That was because of Shaq. I had his shoes and his posters.
I think the noon game had the second best ratings of all the Christmas games after Steph LeBron. Don’t really consider Wemby buried at that time. It’s before the nfl games, right after presents, and on before you need to travel somewhere.
9 am west coast is pretty damn early
Shaq was huge in the 90s!! Look at all the people born in the 90s whose name is Shaquille 😂
I don't know if it's so much that the best players are foreign born as much as most are in smaller markets so less media coverage and smaller team fan bases? If Jokic or Giannis were on a teams like the Lakers or Knicks, won championships on them, they'd probably be all over national advertisements if they wanted that.
@@stampscapes This is a good point. Giannis or SGA would likely be a bigger stars if in LA or NY.
Give Zach and some picks for Foxx.
Why would the Kings be so stupid as to recreate the very thing that failed in Chicago?
Trades are getting harder because of the new CBA thanks to the entitled ass players
House that JD5 jersey hanging nice
No idea why no christmas eve games its crazy.. Its actual christmas day some places sp internationally its good for games scheduled too
The reason teams don’t make statements like that is because it’s bad for business. Anyone can get traded. Classic out of touch old guy move by Pat Riley
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It should be Tatum and Jokic with Ant coming up right behind them for face of the league, but Tatum just isn’t that popular. Jokic is foreign, a big man, and private. And then there’s Ant who isn’t consistent and hasn’t accomplished a whole lot yet. It’s a transition period. It’ll get sorted out.
Giannis?
I believe that is negotiating strategy for Miami, if Butler wants to be traded, he will be traded.
Shaq was a huge lovable star from day 1.
Agreed. But I think people loved the Magic generally as the up and comers and loved Penny just as much because we thought he would be the next guy. I had a ton of Orlando gear and Penny's shoes while even loving Shaq. More kids on the street imitated Penny than Shaq because no one could imitate him. So although a star, more people were looking for that next wing.
if you loved watching a 300lbs lummox get away with offensive fouls, sure
Players lie. Teams lie. Agents lie.
Nothing but sinners in this league.
Lying like they might be doing isn't a sin. It's only a sin if you "bear false witness" against someone. They aren't doing that so they aren't sinning
@catman-du8927 You keep thinking that way and watch what happens to you after life on earth. Lol. You probably think volunteering in war and killing, is not murder either. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
just like the nets were saying they weren’t trading Kevin Durant?
well he is french 😂☠️
Best player in the world in the night cap
I love pat
He's trying to get more for Butler. It's all about making teams pay more for Butler.
Kings fan. I don't want to trade Fox, but House questioning why the Spurs might want him?? Um, 27 year all star guard. I don't know if he''s a top 20 player as Bill suggested, but certainly top 30
Why does the “face of the league” need to be American and a perimeter player for the league to be successful? I am American and Wemby, Giannis, and Jokic are three of my four favorite players to watch and follow (Dame being the fourth) - all foreign bigs.
The Bucks are 0-6 against the Celtics and Cavs. They’ll be in the mix but hard to call them contenders as of today.
Why doesn’t bill even mention the Knicks. They literally have the most talented starting line up in the whole nba. Meantime they’re talking about sixers and Bucs as true contenders LOL
You're insane
@ on paper other than OKC , who has a better starting line up in the nba. I’ll wait …
@@smartyjonez5470 - You already lost your original argument. Now changing it to "Other than OKC". Stand on business little bro.
The Knicks has a better starting lineup than Boston.. 🤔.. Fascinating concept 😮
Celtics have the most talented starting 5 what crack are you on..
Based Pat Riley
Riley is saving face,if they could get any kind of postive trade asset for an expensive 35 year old player who wants an extension that goes until he is 39-40 they would trade him in a heartbeat. However because of the NBA's complicated cap apron rules he is harder to move then a comparable player of the same talent/age/value would be even 2 years ago.
@GroverJ83 I doubt another gm would have the balls to say "no we aren't trading him" with so much time before the deadline
@@GroverJ83saving face from what... Rumors?
my favorite thing about the BS Pod is the predictions are always small market teams outside of Boston lol
Yao was NOT amazing. Really good player but that's where it stops lol
He was a fun experience, and for a while it felt like it could be amazing, but you're right! Really good player, cool story, but never lifted off to greatness.
Jimmy for Wiggins, Moody and Payton.
“Why did the Knicks give up all those picks for mikal to average 15 and stand in the corner?”
CC is the only American player we care about
House was kinda boring this time. Wasn't paying attention half the time
House always sucks. Idk why he’s on the pod so much besides being bills childhood friend.
9:14 he wanted to say Cooper Flagg but he doesn't want to come off racist.
Jokic i think is the best player in the league, but dude doesn't seem to even like basketball (at least doesn't like talking about it)... that's not your "face of the league". Have to be charismatic 🤷
Also, Bill's revisionist history of Shaq is insane. Dude walked onto the NBA court as the second most popular player behind Mike (unless you were already in your old-man-yells-at-cloud era).
If no one watched the NBA on Christmas, did it happen? NFL is so cruel and genius.
I may be in the minority but I dont care if A good player is not from America. I like to see his mad skillz yo. I like the pick and roll, the give and go. I like the way they dribble up and down the court. I really dont care if they are from Europe or Argentina or wherever. I also dont care if a good team is from LA or from OKC or Utah or Atlanta. I just want to watch good teams.
Guys like Demar Derozan hold the ball too long and slow the game down. He can score 30 any night but it makes very little impact on winning
It's hilarious and unsurprising that old Billy.thinks a checkmate is not trading a player that has carried a franchise for 5 years, while not adding a single All Star caliber player to the roster.....
It’s a testament to American xenophobia that the NBA has been gifted Wemby and Americans are kinda tuning out purely bc he was born and grew up in a different place to them.
Obvs there’s more reasons why the NBA is seen as declining but the fact this is even accepted as part of it is crazy to me as someone from England lol
American Xenophobia... lol. We're by far the most open and welcoming country on earth.
@@charlesmcgovern2395Yes, president-elect Trump’s immigration policy will be the most open and welcoming on earth.
Reminds me of the WNBA looking a gift horse in the mouth and shooting themselves in the foot with a once-in-a-lifetime talent like Caitlin Clark.
@@jdankerdake I hope not. I voted for him to STOP immigration. That still doesn't make what I said incorrect.
@@jdankerdake Wemby isn't a fun player to watch, imho. I would rather watch Edey who actually plays with an ounce of physicality. He's soft.
The NBA will fuck up and continue to promote old terrible teams instead of the younger better squads and I’m all for it. The nba deserves this criticism. No originality. No creativity. Banking on has-been stars to carry a league full of hungry talented ballers. Can’t wait until the collective panic when Lebron, KD, and Steph retire. The nba will be better for it.
bill talk more hoops please!!!
House nation 🏡
Kebron on an 8 day sebatical 😆 🤣 😂
It was already leaked by Perk in their podcast. Jimmy's gonna end up with the Suns by the Summer
Yeah if he signs for the veteran's minimum