Pretty sure Daima is not connected to Super. Basically, Dragon Ball franchise doesn't give a F about canon or continuity. They very much make things up on the fly.
I believe the whole goku “wishing for buu to become a good guy and stay on earth” is just the wish to make people forget he was a bad guy. By no longer being remembered as a bad guy, he in a way becomes a good guy, at least in the eyes of most people. And then he is able to stay on earth because people no longer fear him. This might also be a case of slight mistranslation, or confusing translations quirks on the translators part
@@thekraken6309 you are wrong, the translation is correct, Goku did indeed ask that buu become nice and that makes no sense, back then it was about forgetting what buu looked like to leave him on earth and now they made him become nice???? as usual dragon ball is incoherent, it is a work which should have remained a parody.
@@SaiyanScholar Goku really wanted Kid Buu to come back as a good guy one day, so why not guarantee that by using the dragon balls to make him specifically reincarnate on earth?
I mean that's the only way this will ever make any sense whatsoever tho 🤷🏻♂️ if not then the writers were definitely on something when they were writing this 😂 @@SaiyanScholar
People on the copium with the "but it was about Uub you guys". No. No it wasn't. Nobody wished for Kid Buu to be a good guy via Shenron. Goku made a statement that he would like if Kid Buu could come back to fight him again, and while Uub is Kid Buu's reincarnation, NO ACTUAL WISH WAS MADE. Besides, that's probably beyond Shenron's power, even when powered up. If you want who did it, it was Enma. The only way this could ever work as stated is if somebody got confused and thought the wish to erase memories somehow made Fat Buu a good guy, which is also wrong. Fat Buu was good because of Dai Kaioshin.
@@SaiyanScholarit's just a very abridged dialogue of Krillin saying "You asked shenron to make Buu a good guy in """"""Everyone's eyes"""""" remember the evil was already sepereted from Buu alr
Buu can’t die. He will always be reborn in some other form, i’m pretty sure that is memtioned in Z. In the end of Z, when killing kid buu, goku says they will meet again. So kid buu gets reborn as Uub.
@@7hello Jesus Christ you people are so dumb. Buu can die and he’s *NOT* stuck in perpetual reincarnation Buu was reincarnate *BECAUSE OF GOKU’s REQUEST TO KING YEMMA/ENMA*
Maybe the retcon isn't for Buu, but for Uub. Goku would put his wishful thinking in the DBZ finale into action by requesting that Shenron make the change to Kid Buu's soul and allow him to be reincarnated on Earth instead of being sent to hell, ergo, "remain on Earth" wouldn't be referring to "Good Buu", but would be referring more to Uub's soul.
@@Merjedmediaat least in the English dub I don’t remember goku ever referring to a particular person when hoping buu will come back as uub, just kinda talking to himself while killing kid buu lmao
Well this was a pretty laid back and mellow review lol I liked it but I agree - the potara retcon isn't something I saw coming because im not a fan of retconning retcons ... just seems forced? or lost in presentation ... just STOP RETCONNING and messing with the damn potaras ... I don't get why they always have to change the potaras ORIGINAL lore ...and with Buu, that still boggles me lmao because they NEVER mentioned ANYTHING of the sorts to WISH BUU TO BE A GOOD GUY ... maybe they mean AFTER he killed Kid Buu? (Setting up for Uub or whatever) but ... its sooo bizarre
I hope we get more answers later! It's always risky making a story before other landmarks because tying it up gets extra tricky! Yeah, Potara lore is more unstable than Vegito Blue's fusion 🤣
Well cause potara is a last minute idea they had no 😅 idea of potara before that. And the new info kinda match daizenshu stuff. (This is one said by someone )
@rom58499 regarding the potara.. since by this time they dont know about the 1 hour restrictions of the mortal fusing by the potara, it can be concluded that The potara indeed have 1 hour limitation for mortals but also Majin Buu does possess something that undone the potara fusion..meaning Goku and Vegeta still have more time during their fight against Majin Buu even until they were absorbed. While in Black Saga, the fusion was undone due to the limitations of the 1 hour for mortals fusing
Dragon Ball is so back. Between this show straight up ignoring Super canon in favor of its own like with the earrings, and Goku seemingly being clever again like with how he sucker punched Vegeta, it feels like OG DBZ again. Rest easy Toriyama, you did it. Edit: you losers can cope and seethe in the replies all you want, argue with the wall, Dragon Ball is back and the real fans are ecstatic
@TheHaddonfieldRegistry yeah its easy to brag on it when its all flashbacks ... people lack any critical eye with this ... once they are children it will go right down the hole ... Give me the moro and granola arc
for those who haven't read the manga goku simply makes a wish that earthlings forget boo so he can live on this earth because he is kind. we know since the end of the buu arc that he made this wish. he didn't make a wish for uub
"You actually asked King Yemma to make Buu a good guy and let him remain here on Earth." It makes the most sense to me that they are talking about Kid Buu/Uub but mixed up Yemma with Shenron. The only other thing I could think of, wasn't there a wish at the end of the Buu Saga to make people forget about Buu, because Hercule had to keep Good Buu hidden for a while right? So unless they are talking about that. But it sounds more like they are talking about Kid Buu.
Gt is part of the original canon and timeline. Ball Z Gt Minus super daima. They can’t coexist super didn’t even respect the original manga enough to go past it
@@OrangeStarHighSchool no GT is garbage with more children ... This is gonna fail the second they show them as kids. Id rather watch more crap animation super story . Than see some corny ass show about children with amazing animation. 😂😅
@@OrangeStarHighSchool GT isn't part of the original canon. its literally only OG, and Z if you want to really diclude Super and Daima. i don't even understand why you'd think GT is canon when Akira said it was a side story in another world. its a different timeline.
Regarding Gomah's wish, him giving Goku and company a reason to enter the Demon Realm, and him not turning all of them into babies... well, Gomah looks like a clown, so... he's doing his part. I like that his plans and attempting to wish his fears away are what will lead to his downfall. Maybe that is what the writers intended from the context of the real world, and maybe that's what Doctor Arinsu intended from the context of the fictional world.
I didn't understand why he had to turn the children into babies....why didn't he just tell sheeran, "they're already kids, so leave them be." But no. He had to turn them into babies so obviously we won't get to see gotenks in this one.
Yea gotenks was one of the strongest characters in the series at the time of the buu Saga. If they remained the same age, they'd probably be able to solo the villians of the arc
Toriyama said in an interview that his ending to the manga where Goku flies off with Uub is the ending. He didn't want to write past that and didn't want to deal with an old-man Goku. Thus why he keeps going back and retconning stuff to shoehorn in these stories during what was supposed to be an extended peacetime according to the original manga.
In terms of animation and overall quality absolutely amazing. Dragon Ball Super is now an even uglier joke than it was before. Incredible. Story-wise...Nah. This ain't it for me chief.
I'm guessing they mixed up the time Goku personally wished for Kid Buu to come back as a good guy, with the time when they made a wish with the dragon balls for everyone to forget about Majin Buu.
"You asked Shenron to make buu good and let him remain on earth " in the official french translation he says "You asked Shenron to let Buu remain on earth after explaining that he was good now", so maybe it's a misstranslation?
Good episode but it seems like a lot of things pertaining to the buu arc these days tend to get retconned which i don’t understand why.. 1. Potara rules 2. kid buu implied to be the strongest which isn’t in the og manga 3. Goku implied to be stronger than ultimate gohan 4. They wished Mr buu to be a good guy when he already was
1.potaro rules was not retcon. 2.that was never shown just ur headcanon 3.just ur headcanon again 4.buu was killing people don't u think the people remember buu face?
1. the potala rule was changed only in dbs so only if a kaioshin partains in the fusion the fusion is permanent, in the other case it only lasts 1 hour 2. kid buu was implied to be the strongest in the anime through fillers and weird statemements that didn't corellate what was shown on screen, basically toriyama intended pure majin buu to be the most imprevisible and destructive buu, a mindless and relentless evil, in the anime fillers tells us he's the strongest buu but since it still adapts the manga it just creates incoherences. 3. goku SSJ3 is waaaaay weaker than awakened potential gohan, if you look at the story, buu noticed gohan coming toward him from outside of the universe and took direct interest in gohan despite having fought goku ssj3 prior, he had no interest in goku, only in gohan. 4. they didn't, it's a misstranslation, goku made the wish that buu can remain on earth without people remembering his face. let me explain because the anime contradicted itself with fillers, in the manga goku stated in ssj3 he could in full power one shot kid buu, the issue is he never was able to reach his full power because he was losing ki faster than he gathered it, when him and vegeta snatched gohan, goten, trunks and piccolo from his body he reverted to super buu and goku said to vegeta super buu would destroy both of them in a 1v1. Goku ssj3 was scared when confronting buutenks and fled when buuhan appeared, he stated their only chance to defeat buuhan was fusion, when goku was in the kaioshin kai, the rodai kaioshin told him even if he allied himself with gohan, they couldn't beat buutenks and goku agreed, only then the potala fusion was suggested, goku and vegeta when getting out of buu's body after ripping mr buu out of his cocoon were scared of super buu then of kaioshin super buu, after that, goku and vegeta were confident they could take buu, in reality the scaling of this arc is goten
@@AbyssalBlue24you are wrong, the translation is correct, Goku did indeed ask that buu become nice and that makes no sense, back then it was about forgetting what buu looked like to leave him on earth and now they made him become nice???? as usual dragon ball is incoherent, it is a work which should have remained a parody.
Trunks says androids will invade on May 12, 3 years from age 764. He says he will be born 2.5 years from when he warns them. This should be roughly November 12, 766. Chozenshu says he was born in agen766. He is 8 years old in Boo arc. Chozenshu also says that on May 7, 774 Budokai takes place. March 28 is the earliest listed date in 774 from Chozenshu. It says Gohan enrolled in Orange County High. Since Trunks is 8 in Boo arc, he was born before March 28, 766 but after January 1, 766. Yamucha wished for all the people who died that day (except bad ones) be revived. Dende then says save the other 2 wishes and the balls will only be stone for 4 months. Chozenshu says September 7, 774 is when Shenlong erases memories of Boo. The second wish is to make Boo good as there would be 2 wishes left since Yamucha only used 1. Dragon Balls would be stone at least 8 months. Meaning they would be stone until May 7 of 775. So Daima episode 1 takes place after January 1, 775 but before March 28 775. Boo did expell the evil within him. However he still killed a bunch of people. So perhaps that's what the wish for Boo to be good refers too. It was weird though.
7:38 I brought this point up once, too, but I have a few ideas about it, now 1. Toriyama just kind of forgot. He does that, sometimes 2. The line was written wrong, and it's actually supposed to be about Goku wishing to erase people's memories of Buu (Thus. . . Well, it doesn't exactly make him a "good guy" in people's eyes, it just makes him not a bad guy. . So. . . Not the best explanation, but it's what I came up with) I thought I had a third idea but I lost it Edit: 3. It may be Krillin mis-quoting Goku, mixing up his request to Kid Buu to come back as a good guy in the mix. And maybe Goku just doesn't correct him to be coy. But Daima doesn't hint at that at all, so probably not.
Also, I'm sure that Vegeta wanted to stay on Namek to get his revenge on Frieza after being wished back to life, yet he was teleported to earth with everyone else. Edit: He was charging energy to blast Frieza, then, POOF
@@herkadoo5519 yes and no. To begin the end, Super was based off the continuation of movies Toriyama was not originally involved in (Battle of Gods was in well into pre-production before Toriyama stepped in to rewrite it, and RoF is a sequel to that, completely written by Toriyama). Super is a sequel rushed to air in order to capitalize on Dragon Ball’s return, with minimal Toriyama involvement as far as the anime. All he provided was plot outlines for major plot progression and character designs. No script by him at all. That’s why the manga and anime differ so much, since they operate on the same outline and major plot progression, but leave it up to interpretation to fill in the blanks on how to get there. It’s too early to say if this completely retcons Super, but it already is changing things established in Super. Toriyama was so involved in the process compared to Super that it is essentially his baby. I’d watch and wait to see before deciding it retcons Super or Battle of Gods, but it’s looking like some things are already on the chopping block.
I’ll be Daimas biggest hater till the end I don’t care. Bad idea, bad execution, bad story, lame character design. Super was already shit enough we don’t need rug rats z
Fuck everything we learned I guess. Shenron can just make wishes against beings more powerful than him now. Also the fact Dende didn't just telepathically talk to Goku and get him to instant transmission is insane. Lets just stand here and let it happen because plot I guess. Lazy ass writing.
What about the "white magic" the dragon balls on Earth use, that they mentioned in Demon Realm. use ur head Saiyan Scholar. Black Star Dragonballs in GT are hidden in the look out. Do they use Black Magic?
I wish the old dude actually becomes a threat at some point like he was a rival to Demon King Piccolo and is the actual main villian. Maybe I just want another strong Namekian character in the game
my theory is that goku lied to the z fighters and told them that he maked a wish to turn buu into a good guy just to let them feel safe because they will not swallow that buu turned a good guy by the power of freindship after evrything he done i mean come on and it's a possible theory because we saw that goku does lie sometimes so please like this comment so that saiyan scholar can see it
It doesn't work since they know that buu had split into 2, so the one they encountered was different, so lying to them would make no sense, dende was also there, you just have to stop defending anything, dragon ball has always been inconsistent why always looking has justified all their retcons?
@@EndoScorpion it’s not like any criticism could change anything now. Toriyama wrote the story and already passed away. Daima won’t be a long series and this is all we’ve got left. If you want anything to change, direct it towards Super instead.
@@gerrycrisandy2425 As if anything we say will change anything at all. That's not the point. Point is we can still consume, or even like, something while openly discussing it's flaws. This whole "well don't watch it then" is just daft. Oh and this isn't the last thing Toriyama worked on either. He was working on multiple projects.
My question is why didn’t he just turn all of them into babies if he was trying to actually stop them from entering the demon realm? Why make that distinction between the adults and children? Does shenron have a limit on how much younger you can make someone?
I'm sorry but I watched the first episode..I can already tell it sucks. First off it's not cannon. And didn't wis tell the Supreme ki that all he needs to do was take off the ear rings and he will split back into two? Not here. Yeah and They trying to redo gt
The wish power was discussed multiple other times and if you even consider GT it took the black star Dragon Balls to turn goku into a child and they were much more powerful but at a higher cost.
The Buu wish is so simple 😭 Beforehand we know there was a wish made that made everyone forget about the mass murdering Buu did with Babidi That’s the wish the Supreme Kai is talking about 🤦♂️ The dragon balls didn’t have anything to do with Uub or letting Buu stay on earth, that’s just the decision everyone made after Buu’s evil actions were cleared
This actually makes sense tbh. But it's Krillin saying it, not Supreme Kai. Basically, the wish was for Buu to be made good in the eyes of the populus and allowed to remain. I like it
I think the Buu retcon is referring to Kid Buu/Uub not Majin Buu. I don’t think that’s much of an improvement, but that’s my take. I didn’t watch the episode though, so I could be missing some context.
2:03 perfect analogy. I think the offical word for that is preemptive military action. Taking action against another military because you fear what they MAY do, when in reality they havent done anything yet. In this case, all it does is set up Gomah's eventual downfall, because now that Goku and co are coming to the demon realm, they will likely ruin things for him.
I liked it a lot, but I think Goku and the gang being transformed was a bit contrived. I didn’t understand why the villain dude wanted to turn them just into first graders, why not turn them into fetus’s? Embryos? That would make things much easier for them. I think how Goku became a kid in GT was a lot more coherent.
Honestly I adored this opening episode 😢 I'm happy to have some new DB anime content and I'm glad that the demon realm is going to be explored as this is something I've always wanted to see
The Kaiju Tree and Shin's "Siblings" Make No Sense In Dragon Ball lore, Supreme Kais are born from the Kaiju Tree, which produces them one at a time from fruit. So, how does Shin suddenly have siblings? The idea of him having a sister, let alone multiple siblings, contradicts how Kais are created. Kais aren’t born having families. This raises the question of whether the kaiju tree is fully retconned or even exists. Shenron's Wish Contradiction The villain wishes to turn everyone who fought Majin Buu and their friends into children with one wish. This creates two major problems: Shenron can't affect beings stronger than himself. This was established in Dragon Ball Z when he couldn't erase Vegeta, Napa, or other powerful warriors stronger than Shenron and his current set handler. Turning all the strongest characters into children in one wish would mean affecting not just in-universe seven but also fighters from the afterlife, and as shown by Kais in the attempt to depower, which again, Shenron cant cast in any from a depower on beings stronger than him and his set handler. as this was shown multiple times in the game's and dbz In Buu, Dende’s upgrade to Shenron only increased the number of wishes and can channel all wishes to grant a stronger wish and revive large groups. Still, he didn’t alter the rule that he couldn’t affect beings stronger than him and Shenron combined even if having these no foes take over, their not powerful enough to force everyone that was involved with buu to turn the kais Goku etc, into kids their to weak as the point of them doing this again their not strong enough to fight everyone. This means the base plot of Daima shouldn’t even be possible. For example, if Shenron had the power to alter things on those stronger than him. Now if the wishes effected being stronger then Shenron and his handler, we would have Goku alive at the end of Cell Saga while Goku wouldn't have his training on Yardrat as he would of been forced teleported to earth. As for other media dragon ball ultimate tenkaichi black star shenron couldn't undo the negativity wish on earth as again it surpassed him and his handlers power as black star shenron is stronger then base Shenron buu saga.
@@Yan23459no it doesnt as it contradicts some of super’s lore. The most noteable example is that in super, kibitoshin defused with the dragonballs, whereas in daima, he got buu to defuse him.
7:30 I highly doubt he means this literally. I think he means he wished for everyone to forget Buu was a bad guy, so in the eyes of the people, he’s a good guy. That would explain the “let him remain on Earth” part. After all, why would it be up to Shenron if he could remain on Earth? He’s referring to the memory erasure wish.
Only wish I remember them making about buu was to make everyone forget about buu. The good part of buu is all that's left of the original buu so that dialogue doesn't make sense
Thanks for pointing that out, I think it's Toriyama's forgetfulness happening again. Overall, I feel the the trigger for the plot kinda artificial, like turning them into kids (why not attempt to wish them die?) and not try to turn all into an infant where there's a chance. Maybe since they are more comical villains, they are prone to make idiotic decisions? Either way, it seems they also retcon the Kibito Shin situation and confirm the theory that Buu's inside cancelled the fusions. I interpret that despite Buu's inside did cancel Vegito's fusion, the 1 hr rule still there and only the Kibito Shin situation was retcon.
Dbs and Daima are not related in any way. The design of the Bardock is like in Dragonball Minus. We already see vivid contradictions between Dbs and Daima, because in it the Potars work in a different way. The Dbz databooks said that the merging of the potar is eternal and multiplies the power of the heroes - A*B. This suggests that the fusion of the Potaras is MUCH stronger than the Dance.
Databooks are non canon and never will be canon. They are official - sure. But they are official corporate fan fic. As others mentioned, the potara retcon doesn't really contradict the other, both can be true at the same though we can assume it only exists because Toriyama saw that people didn't like the previous retcon - for some reason, so he went with the explanation the fans wanted (although I much preffered supers explanation) - still both can be true. Potara may still not be intended to be used by mortals, and Buu's magic may weaken them at the same time. Especially since now we have a much clearer explanation of the difference between dark and light magic. Potras would clearly be light, while Majin without any doubt is dark
Also, the making buu a good guy, I thought they were referring too the reincarnation of uub? When goku wishes he would come back a good person? Maybe the translations are a bit rough about it, but that's what I assumed
I guess maybe he was referring to uub? I was wondering that exact same thing when I watched it. Of course, it isn't dubbed yet so I also wondered if maybe it was just a translation issue. From what I remember, fat but turned good due to Mr. Satan's kind treatment towards him. And buu's puppy. Because then they split into kid but and father buu...or am I remembering wrong?
The powers of the dragon always seem to be subject to the demands of the plot/story. Porunga was able to teleport all namekians, Bulma, Gohan, & Vegeta to earth and didn’t have to request permission from Vegeta, Gohan, or Piccolo(unconscious). Yet he needed to ask Goku permission if he could teleport him to earth. Shenron can’t change Android 17 & 18 back into normal humans against their will because they are more powerful than him and have strange abilities(part machine). Yet Shenron has no issues with turning Goku and his friends into children/babies. When Cheelai made her wish to Shenron he teleported Broly back to Vampa. Broly appeared on Vampa with a confused expression.
@DragonBallGOAT using a piece of terminology does not automatically make Super canon. But you can go about it however you want. So far as I am concerned they are all a part of different timelines (non canon) since just like Super and GT you can remove them and nothing changes in the OG story.
@@zedorian6547 daima and super is literally canon to z like it are not,daima is literally going to be canon to super.just because u hate something doesn't mean u right
lmao the goku wishing to shenron for buu to become good is a misstranslation, kuririn actually says that goku made a wish so buu can remain on earth without people remembering his face and no he's not talking about uub, uub was a wish to king yenma
I think it was pretty good i love the fact that we got new lore and they even referenced the old its because of buu that we defused with the potara and i like that they precised that its true for the kai they need some sort of buu magic to defuse
I’m pretty sure the Krillin quote is referring to kid buu being reincarnated instead of having his soul sent to hell at least it makes more sense that way
Whats funny is Team Four Star in DBZA has Shenron ask why they didnt just wish for him to destroy Nappa and Vegetas spacepods but Roshi then says they will just be fine with having Goku revived.
"You actually ask Shenron to make Buu a good guy and let him remain on earth". That could be a mistranslation of Goku "wish" that results in Uub. Annoying, since Uub is a dumb character that should be the first to be retconned out and forgotten about. But since they went out of their way to keep his origin in Super, it makes sense to include here. The translator could have just gotten context confused when it was mention, thinking any wish is talking about a wish to Shenron, since Fat Buu is on the screen at the time. When in reality its Kid Buu thats the topic of that line. Anyway. There is a odd inconsistency with that new Namekian too. He made guardians for his Dragon Balls, but is not only completely fine but willing to help subvert using his to make a wish by using hacks to facilitate usage of another set? WTF? Thats like making a nuke and putting it behind extremely tight security, then someone comes along and asks if they will help them access, arm and program the guidance for someone else's nuke. "Nukes are dangerous! I must protect this. What? Oh! Sure! You want my help with another nuke? Who do you want to blow up? I don't mind at all! Sounds fun!".
At this stage i find it minor. Cause buu and shenron both use magic so makes sense and Supreme Kai doesnt know about the time limit until Gowasu tells him so atm ill take it as an inconsistance but will hold judgement until we get all 15 episodes of Daima. As far as the quote about Buu being good it can either be refering to Uub or a mistranslation about the people forgetting about Buu. However i would of perfered if they just put resources into animating Super tbh instead of Daima
This entire show is about the comedic side of Dragon balls. The Kabitoshin thing is probably a separate continuity. I don't think this is supposed to lead up to super.
I don't know if it has been stated anywhere or not officially, but my impression is that Daima is it's own separate timeline or it is a non-canon side story.
No actually, that’s not what it is, These guys have never watched the events that happened in the living world or outside world before the Buu saga, they had no to reason to wish for anything prior Debura’s death, they never know that they were gonna succeed the throne. They viewed the fight between Babidi forces vs saiyans as the battle of supremacy not as a villain vs hero type of battle. They knew Babidi’s goal was to rule over all worlds, they were scared of that. They thought nothing could stop the Z warriors (who just defeated Babidi forces whose goal was rule over the worlds) from coming and conquering their world since again they viewed the battle as a battle of supremacy. That’s why they decided to strike preemptively.
He asked Sheron in Z to make the earthlings forget about the destruction Buu caused. That was supposed to be the meaning behind that line. Also Crunchyroll's subs for DB are very prone. Even with Super they weren't. There's always corrections going in Twitter after every episode
Hopefully they’re not wording it this way to throw us off and they’re just going based off fan theories with uub or something, like when when people thought Goku wishing buu to “come back as a good guy” somehow tied in with that moment with supreme Kai and shenron, or maybe because of his pure heart but honestly I just call plot bs at this point.
Maybe it's a bit deeper and he's talking about when Kid Buu is reincarnated that he becomes good and comes back to earth rather than hell? Idk just spitballing
Krillin's referring to the wish that erased people's memories of Buu. "You asked Shenron for Buu to become a good guy [as far as anyone remembers] and stay on earth [without people being scared of him]."
They're remaking all the older series. Super was Z and now this is GT. All they're doing is amplifying each of them, instead of Goku being a kid, it's every fighter and the kids babies...this is dumb.
They kinda fixed the vegito issue tho bc it’s still unknown about the mortal time limit factor until super. Which kinda ties in bc they still think it’s only buu that can defuse them
And the fact is, they were still fused. In Dragon ball super until. Universe 6 Tournament However, it is possible that I might be able to explain why this has happened. Apparently it was stated in the universe 6 Tournament Supreme kai stated they meaning kibito Kai and Supreme Kai couldn't handle it anymore. That's why I think they use see namekian dragon balls to diffuse permanently Meaning for it is possible. They did attempt to try to unfuse multiple different times and ways, but failed miserably, so they might refuse back once again at the end of dragon ball, diama to make it consistent with the cannon
Pretty sure Daima is not connected to Super. Basically, Dragon Ball franchise doesn't give a F about canon or continuity. They very much make things up on the fly.
I believe the whole goku “wishing for buu to become a good guy and stay on earth” is just the wish to make people forget he was a bad guy. By no longer being remembered as a bad guy, he in a way becomes a good guy, at least in the eyes of most people. And then he is able to stay on earth because people no longer fear him. This might also be a case of slight mistranslation, or confusing translations quirks on the translators part
@@thekraken6309 you are wrong, the translation is correct, Goku did indeed ask that buu become nice and that makes no sense, back then it was about forgetting what buu looked like to leave him on earth and now they made him become nice???? as usual dragon ball is incoherent, it is a work which should have remained a parody.
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Actually it is a wrong translation. He is right@@benimpanu4405
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"You asked Shenron to make buu good and let him remain on earth " is referring to UUB probably.
Huh? How though?
@@SaiyanScholar Goku really wanted Kid Buu to come back as a good guy one day, so why not guarantee that by using the dragon balls to make him specifically reincarnate on earth?
@@FluppietheRockruffFanAs the camera is panning on the good Majin Buu and Uub is an earthling child born on an island somewhere?
I mean that's the only way this will ever make any sense whatsoever tho 🤷🏻♂️ if not then the writers were definitely on something when they were writing this 😂 @@SaiyanScholar
@@SaiyanScholarare we sure the dialogue was translated 100% accurately? Is it not possible that details got muddied by the language barrier?
People on the copium with the "but it was about Uub you guys".
No. No it wasn't. Nobody wished for Kid Buu to be a good guy via Shenron. Goku made a statement that he would like if Kid Buu could come back to fight him again, and while Uub is Kid Buu's reincarnation, NO ACTUAL WISH WAS MADE. Besides, that's probably beyond Shenron's power, even when powered up.
If you want who did it, it was Enma.
The only way this could ever work as stated is if somebody got confused and thought the wish to erase memories somehow made Fat Buu a good guy, which is also wrong. Fat Buu was good because of Dai Kaioshin.
Yup.
@@SaiyanScholarit's just a very abridged dialogue of Krillin saying
"You asked shenron to make Buu a good guy in """"""Everyone's eyes"""""" remember the evil was already sepereted from Buu alr
Buu can’t die. He will always be reborn in some other form, i’m pretty sure that is memtioned in Z. In the end of Z, when killing kid buu, goku says they will meet again. So kid buu gets reborn as Uub.
@@7hello Jesus Christ you people are so dumb.
Buu can die and he’s *NOT* stuck in perpetual reincarnation
Buu was reincarnate *BECAUSE OF GOKU’s REQUEST TO KING YEMMA/ENMA*
Maybe the retcon isn't for Buu, but for Uub. Goku would put his wishful thinking in the DBZ finale into action by requesting that Shenron make the change to Kid Buu's soul and allow him to be reincarnated on Earth instead of being sent to hell, ergo, "remain on Earth" wouldn't be referring to "Good Buu", but would be referring more to Uub's soul.
I feel like this was obvious. He was for sure talking about Uub
But did goku ask shenron or king yemma
It was king Yemma
@@forrestdudley8424 yes i think its about kid buu & uub aswell
@@Merjedmediaat least in the English dub I don’t remember goku ever referring to a particular person when hoping buu will come back as uub, just kinda talking to himself while killing kid buu lmao
Well this was a pretty laid back and mellow review lol I liked it but I agree - the potara retcon isn't something I saw coming because im not a fan of retconning retcons ... just seems forced? or lost in presentation ... just STOP RETCONNING and messing with the damn potaras ... I don't get why they always have to change the potaras ORIGINAL lore ...and with Buu, that still boggles me lmao because they NEVER mentioned ANYTHING of the sorts to WISH BUU TO BE A GOOD GUY ... maybe they mean AFTER he killed Kid Buu? (Setting up for Uub or whatever) but ... its sooo bizarre
I hope we get more answers later! It's always risky making a story before other landmarks because tying it up gets extra tricky! Yeah, Potara lore is more unstable than Vegito Blue's fusion 🤣
I can only guess it's just a different time line. Can't wait to watch it soon. Have a great day guys. Peace!!!!
Well cause potara is a last minute idea they had no 😅 idea of potara before that.
And the new info kinda match daizenshu stuff. (This is one said by someone )
Yeah i like when the potara were permanent and there could just ask buu to sallow them or get the dragon balls to undo it
@rom58499 regarding the potara.. since by this time they dont know about the 1 hour restrictions of the mortal fusing by the potara, it can be concluded that The potara indeed have 1 hour limitation for mortals but also Majin Buu does possess something that undone the potara fusion..meaning Goku and Vegeta still have more time during their fight against Majin Buu even until they were absorbed. While in Black Saga, the fusion was undone due to the limitations of the 1 hour for mortals fusing
In DBZ, they used the balls to wish the people to forget buu so he can walk among them without fearing him.
Right 😂
Yes, but not to make him Good.
Super seemed to forget that as well in their first episode were Mr. Satan gets money for beating Buu, even though their memories were erased.
@@GeteMachine Thats the problem with "Drake on Ball".
They forgor!
@@GeteMachine they knew that mr satan saved them from “something” just not buu in particular
Super made no error
Dragon Ball is so back. Between this show straight up ignoring Super canon in favor of its own like with the earrings, and Goku seemingly being clever again like with how he sucker punched Vegeta, it feels like OG DBZ again.
Rest easy Toriyama, you did it.
Edit: you losers can cope and seethe in the replies all you want, argue with the wall, Dragon Ball is back and the real fans are ecstatic
Well this is right after buu saga so the earrings thing ofc doesn’t matter here and why are we pretending like goku wasn’t clever in super 😭
dragon ball is dead sorry
yeah man what we really needed is dragon ball babies
@@Exhiidevoid Give me 2 examples of Goku having an IQ above 69 in Super
@TheHaddonfieldRegistry yeah its easy to brag on it when its all flashbacks ... people lack any critical eye with this ... once they are children it will go right down the hole ...
Give me the moro and granola arc
for those who haven't read the manga goku simply makes a wish that earthlings forget boo so he can live on this earth because he is kind. we know since the end of the buu arc that he made this wish. he didn't make a wish for uub
@@ClaclaT it doesn’t even take a manga reader to figure out this 💩
It happened clearly in the anime too these people are just slow
"You actually asked King Yemma to make Buu a good guy and let him remain here on Earth."
It makes the most sense to me that they are talking about Kid Buu/Uub but mixed up Yemma with Shenron.
The only other thing I could think of, wasn't there a wish at the end of the Buu Saga to make people forget about Buu, because Hercule had to keep Good Buu hidden for a while right? So unless they are talking about that.
But it sounds more like they are talking about Kid Buu.
Different Timeline Again?
Now we'll have Super vs GT vs Daima online saying who's better lol
Gt is part of the original canon and timeline. Ball Z Gt
Minus super daima. They can’t coexist super didn’t even respect the original manga enough to go past it
@@OrangeStarHighSchool no GT is garbage with more children ...
This is gonna fail the second they show them as kids.
Id rather watch more crap animation super story .
Than see some corny ass show about children with amazing animation. 😂😅
@@Bidenmytime db og >>>>>>>>>>> super
@@OrangeStarHighSchool GT isn't part of the original canon.
its literally only OG, and Z if you want to really diclude Super and Daima.
i don't even understand why you'd think GT is canon when Akira said it was a side story in another world. its a different timeline.
@@OrangeStarHighSchool GT is NOT the original canon bro its tied to the movies that are non canon made by Toei
Regarding Gomah's wish, him giving Goku and company a reason to enter the Demon Realm, and him not turning all of them into babies... well, Gomah looks like a clown, so... he's doing his part. I like that his plans and attempting to wish his fears away are what will lead to his downfall. Maybe that is what the writers intended from the context of the real world, and maybe that's what Doctor Arinsu intended from the context of the fictional world.
I didn't understand why he had to turn the children into babies....why didn't he just tell sheeran, "they're already kids, so leave them be." But no. He had to turn them into babies so obviously we won't get to see gotenks in this one.
Because Goten and Trunks are way stronger than Goku and Vegeta were at that age. The cast is being aged down to make them weaker.
Yea gotenks was one of the strongest characters in the series at the time of the buu Saga. If they remained the same age, they'd probably be able to solo the villians of the arc
@@patrickherschberger6728 I'd love to see that tbh
@@RenegadeStriker7 if ever the Superhero arc gets animated you'll see them in action anyways. Let's cross fingers for that tho
Ion think Ed Sheeran would know what to do if asked such a wish
Shin and Kibito will accidentally fuse again at the end of DB Daima a joke to tie it to DBS, it's pretty Toriyama to do that.
Yeah that’s probably it lol
Why the f couldn't they have just set it after super.? These stories are pointless.
Toriyama said in an interview that his ending to the manga where Goku flies off with Uub is the ending. He didn't want to write past that and didn't want to deal with an old-man Goku. Thus why he keeps going back and retconning stuff to shoehorn in these stories during what was supposed to be an extended peacetime according to the original manga.
He never wrote Super and wanted to scale Goku down. Even from Bog he wanted Goku to just have Super Saiyan.
it's easier to assume daima is non-canon and that nothing in it matters
In terms of animation and overall quality absolutely amazing. Dragon Ball Super is now an even uglier joke than it was before. Incredible.
Story-wise...Nah. This ain't it for me chief.
we must accept that peak story has passed
I'm guessing they mixed up the time Goku personally wished for Kid Buu to come back as a good guy, with the time when they made a wish with the dragon balls for everyone to forget about Majin Buu.
another retcon for potara fusion. it's either toriyama forgot the existing lore or he got senile.
bro he is dead
"You asked Shenron to make buu good and let him remain on earth " in the official french translation he says "You asked Shenron to let Buu remain on earth after explaining that he was good now", so maybe it's a misstranslation?
Maybe he's referring to the wish they made to erase people's memory of Buu? Like making everyone on earth believe that Buu is good and not bad?
Good episode but it seems like a lot of things pertaining to the buu arc these days tend to get retconned which i don’t understand why..
1. Potara rules
2. kid buu implied to be the strongest which isn’t in the og manga
3. Goku implied to be stronger than ultimate gohan
4. They wished Mr buu to be a good guy when he already was
1.potaro rules was not retcon.
2.that was never shown just ur headcanon
3.just ur headcanon again
4.buu was killing people don't u think the people remember buu face?
1. the potala rule was changed only in dbs so only if a kaioshin partains in the fusion the fusion is permanent, in the other case it only lasts 1 hour
2. kid buu was implied to be the strongest in the anime through fillers and weird statemements that didn't corellate what was shown on screen, basically toriyama intended pure majin buu to be the most imprevisible and destructive buu, a mindless and relentless evil, in the anime fillers tells us he's the strongest buu but since it still adapts the manga it just creates incoherences.
3. goku SSJ3 is waaaaay weaker than awakened potential gohan, if you look at the story, buu noticed gohan coming toward him from outside of the universe and took direct interest in gohan despite having fought goku ssj3 prior, he had no interest in goku, only in gohan.
4. they didn't, it's a misstranslation, goku made the wish that buu can remain on earth without people remembering his face.
let me explain because the anime contradicted itself with fillers, in the manga goku stated in ssj3 he could in full power one shot kid buu, the issue is he never was able to reach his full power because he was losing ki faster than he gathered it, when him and vegeta snatched gohan, goten, trunks and piccolo from his body he reverted to super buu and goku said to vegeta super buu would destroy both of them in a 1v1.
Goku ssj3 was scared when confronting buutenks and fled when buuhan appeared, he stated their only chance to defeat buuhan was fusion, when goku was in the kaioshin kai, the rodai kaioshin told him even if he allied himself with gohan, they couldn't beat buutenks and goku agreed, only then the potala fusion was suggested, goku and vegeta when getting out of buu's body after ripping mr buu out of his cocoon were scared of super buu then of kaioshin super buu, after that, goku and vegeta were confident they could take buu, in reality the scaling of this arc is
goten
Ultimate Gohan was far stronger than SS3 Goku.
Toriyama has said many times that Gohan was the strongest non fusion character
I really don't know where did you get 2 and 3 from. How did anything shown in the episode imply ANY of that?
@@AbyssalBlue24you are wrong, the translation is correct, Goku did indeed ask that buu become nice and that makes no sense, back then it was about forgetting what buu looked like to leave him on earth and now they made him become nice???? as usual dragon ball is incoherent, it is a work which should have remained a parody.
Trunks says androids will invade on May 12, 3 years from age 764.
He says he will be born 2.5 years from when he warns them. This should be roughly November 12, 766.
Chozenshu says he was born in agen766. He is 8 years old in Boo arc. Chozenshu also says that on May 7, 774 Budokai takes place.
March 28 is the earliest listed date in 774 from Chozenshu. It says Gohan enrolled in Orange County High. Since Trunks is 8 in Boo arc, he was born before March 28, 766 but after January 1, 766.
Yamucha wished for all the people who died that day (except bad ones) be revived. Dende then says save the other 2 wishes and the balls will only be stone for 4 months.
Chozenshu says September 7, 774 is when Shenlong erases memories of Boo. The second wish is to make Boo good as there would be 2 wishes left since Yamucha only used 1.
Dragon Balls would be stone at least 8 months. Meaning they would be stone until May 7 of 775.
So Daima episode 1 takes place after January 1, 775 but before March 28 775.
Boo did expell the evil within him. However he still killed a bunch of people. So perhaps that's what the wish for Boo to be good refers too. It was weird though.
Still seems weird they would go through the whole "Buu splits up the Fusion." theory, when in the DBS manga they just wish to defuse.
7:38
I brought this point up once, too, but I have a few ideas about it, now
1. Toriyama just kind of forgot. He does that, sometimes
2. The line was written wrong, and it's actually supposed to be about Goku wishing to erase people's memories of Buu (Thus. . . Well, it doesn't exactly make him a "good guy" in people's eyes, it just makes him not a bad guy. . So. . . Not the best explanation, but it's what I came up with)
I thought I had a third idea but I lost it
Edit:
3. It may be Krillin mis-quoting Goku, mixing up his request to Kid Buu to come back as a good guy in the mix. And maybe Goku just doesn't correct him to be coy. But Daima doesn't hint at that at all, so probably not.
We officially have a way for black frieza to travel universes
How long did he train in the chamber?
@@jacobc8019 10 years /3 days real time I I believe 🤔
@@hoopbaby07 damn I mean they only trained for like a year during cell saga?
@@hoopbaby07 oh not hyperbolic time????
@@jacobc8019 yes and no , it was similar realm i believe that he found on a planet he took control of
Also, I'm sure that Vegeta wanted to stay on Namek to get his revenge on Frieza after being wished back to life, yet he was teleported to earth with everyone else.
Edit: He was charging energy to blast Frieza, then, POOF
Knowing Toriyama sensei's comedy style, someone like Goku may see Krillin and think that he wasn't affected by this "wish" lol
So can someone clarify for me? Is this what Toriyama truly would've wanted to take place after Buu Saga instead of DBS?
@@herkadoo5519 yes and no. To begin the end, Super was based off the continuation of movies Toriyama was not originally involved in (Battle of Gods was in well into pre-production before Toriyama stepped in to rewrite it, and RoF is a sequel to that, completely written by Toriyama).
Super is a sequel rushed to air in order to capitalize on Dragon Ball’s return, with minimal Toriyama involvement as far as the anime. All he provided was plot outlines for major plot progression and character designs. No script by him at all. That’s why the manga and anime differ so much, since they operate on the same outline and major plot progression, but leave it up to interpretation to fill in the blanks on how to get there.
It’s too early to say if this completely retcons Super, but it already is changing things established in Super. Toriyama was so involved in the process compared to Super that it is essentially his baby. I’d watch and wait to see before deciding it retcons Super or Battle of Gods, but it’s looking like some things are already on the chopping block.
@@_mango_ and I couldn't be happier.
@@_mango_ Damn, I really liked Super to be honest.
Toriyama didn't write daima💀
@@FrancisL4D bro he wrote absolutely all of it... its his final project
I’ll be Daimas biggest hater till the end I don’t care. Bad idea, bad execution, bad story, lame character design. Super was already shit enough we don’t need rug rats z
Best thing so far is the flashbacks and the art style and I bet that wont last past a few episodes
Holy crap some of these comments im scrolling thru is legit Insanity :0
Maybe take a good show as a show and not an health risk to your eyes or brain
@@Rayquaza-Really Pattern recognition
@@Rayquaza-Really Also it’s the furthest thing from a good show it’s literally brain rot dragon ball
Rugrats z 😂😂😂 👏👏
Fuck everything we learned I guess. Shenron can just make wishes against beings more powerful than him now. Also the fact Dende didn't just telepathically talk to Goku and get him to instant transmission is insane. Lets just stand here and let it happen because plot I guess. Lazy ass writing.
What about the "white magic" the dragon balls on Earth use, that they mentioned in Demon Realm. use ur head Saiyan Scholar.
Black Star Dragonballs in GT are hidden in the look out. Do they use Black Magic?
Majshin = Evil Supreme Kai
Tell me if I'm right or wrong, I'm not watching Daima
It looks so great, the visuals the colours but plot is so lazy as if they didn't care.
I wish the old dude actually becomes a threat at some point like he was a rival to Demon King Piccolo and is the actual main villian. Maybe I just want another strong Namekian character in the game
We’ll have to see. It’s only been one episode.
Namekians being demons now makes me wonder was King Piccolo the actual king of the demon realm or simoly called himself that.
That’s a pretty awesome idea! Maybe Namekians used to be part of the ruling class and were overthrown thousands of years ago, hence why they all left.
Piccolo technically would be the Demon King of earth at that time. He was the strongest demon.
my theory is that goku lied to the z fighters and told them that he maked a wish to turn buu into a good guy just to let them feel safe because they will not swallow that buu turned a good guy by the power of freindship after evrything he done i mean come on and it's a possible theory because we saw that goku does lie sometimes so please like this comment so that saiyan scholar can see it
It doesn't work since they know that buu had split into 2, so the one they encountered was different, so lying to them would make no sense, dende was also there, you just have to stop defending anything, dragon ball has always been inconsistent why always looking has justified all their retcons?
@@benimpanu4405nobody is forcing you to watch the anime. It is Toriyama’s story and he could do anything he wanted with it.
@@gerrycrisandy2425 We can watch it, like it, and still criticise it. They're our opinions and we can express them how we like.
@@EndoScorpion it’s not like any criticism could change anything now. Toriyama wrote the story and already passed away. Daima won’t be a long series and this is all we’ve got left. If you want anything to change, direct it towards Super instead.
@@gerrycrisandy2425 As if anything we say will change anything at all. That's not the point.
Point is we can still consume, or even like, something while openly discussing it's flaws. This whole "well don't watch it then" is just daft.
Oh and this isn't the last thing Toriyama worked on either. He was working on multiple projects.
With Sparking Zero and Daima, Dragon Ball seems to be one of the few franchises that’s actually holding up well and strong
My question is why didn’t he just turn all of them into babies if he was trying to actually stop them from entering the demon realm? Why make that distinction between the adults and children? Does shenron have a limit on how much younger you can make someone?
I'm sorry but I watched the first episode..I can already tell it sucks.
First off it's not cannon.
And didn't wis tell the Supreme ki that all he needs to do was take off the ear rings and he will split back into two?
Not here.
Yeah and
They trying to redo gt
The wish power was discussed multiple other times and if you even consider GT it took the black star Dragon Balls to turn goku into a child and they were much more powerful but at a higher cost.
the truth is that placing Daima between Z and S was very stupid idea
The Buu wish is so simple 😭
Beforehand we know there was a wish made that made everyone forget about the mass murdering Buu did with Babidi
That’s the wish the Supreme Kai is talking about 🤦♂️
The dragon balls didn’t have anything to do with Uub or letting Buu stay on earth, that’s just the decision everyone made after Buu’s evil actions were cleared
This actually makes sense tbh. But it's Krillin saying it, not Supreme Kai. Basically, the wish was for Buu to be made good in the eyes of the populus and allowed to remain. I like it
@@Revster eh no in the ep Krillin have his eye set on Fat Buu so it's still him being good by shenron and not Satan retcon for that still.....
I think the Buu retcon is referring to Kid Buu/Uub not Majin Buu. I don’t think that’s much of an improvement, but that’s my take. I didn’t watch the episode though, so I could be missing some context.
Defintely missing context
2:03 perfect analogy. I think the offical word for that is preemptive military action. Taking action against another military because you fear what they MAY do, when in reality they havent done anything yet. In this case, all it does is set up Gomah's eventual downfall, because now that Goku and co are coming to the demon realm, they will likely ruin things for him.
I liked it a lot, but I think Goku and the gang being transformed was a bit contrived. I didn’t understand why the villain dude wanted to turn them just into first graders, why not turn them into fetus’s? Embryos? That would make things much easier for them. I think how Goku became a kid in GT was a lot more coherent.
@@jonathangetachew5705 did you watch it? Ghamo wanted to but shenron wouldn’t let him
Yeah, now that you mentioned it, those were inconsistencies. But I still loved that episode. 🔥
Honestly I adored this opening episode 😢 I'm happy to have some new DB anime content and I'm glad that the demon realm is going to be explored as this is something I've always wanted to see
The Kaiju Tree and Shin's "Siblings" Make No Sense
In Dragon Ball lore, Supreme Kais are born from the Kaiju Tree, which produces them one at a time from fruit. So, how does Shin suddenly have siblings? The idea of him having a sister, let alone multiple siblings, contradicts how Kais are created. Kais aren’t born having families. This raises the question of whether the kaiju tree is fully retconned or even exists.
Shenron's Wish Contradiction
The villain wishes to turn everyone who fought Majin Buu and their friends into children with one wish. This creates two major problems:
Shenron can't affect beings stronger than himself. This was established in Dragon Ball Z when he couldn't erase Vegeta, Napa, or other powerful warriors stronger than Shenron and his current set handler.
Turning all the strongest characters into children in one wish would mean affecting not just in-universe seven but also fighters from
the afterlife, and as shown by Kais in the attempt to depower, which again, Shenron cant cast in any from a depower on beings stronger than him and his set handler. as this was shown multiple times in the game's and dbz
In Buu, Dende’s upgrade to Shenron only increased the number of wishes and can channel all wishes to grant a stronger wish and revive large groups. Still, he didn’t alter the rule that he couldn’t affect beings stronger than him and Shenron combined even if having these no foes take over, their not powerful enough to force everyone that was involved with buu to turn the kais Goku etc, into kids their to weak as the point of them doing this again their not strong enough to fight everyone. This means the base plot of Daima shouldn’t even be possible. For example, if Shenron had the power to alter things on those stronger than him. Now if the wishes effected being stronger then Shenron and his handler, we would have Goku alive at the end of Cell Saga while Goku wouldn't have his training on Yardrat as he would of been forced teleported to earth. As for other media dragon ball ultimate tenkaichi black star shenron couldn't undo the negativity wish on earth as again it surpassed him and his handlers power as black star shenron is stronger then base Shenron buu saga.
This show was made to sell merch.
im jsut happy that the main continuty is going something wiht the demon realm
I could've sworn that Daima is a side story like GT was stated to be. Am i mistaken?
Nope, it’s canon and happens before super
@@Yan23459 You got proof? Cause I remember the original article saying otherwise.
@@Yan23459no it doesnt as it contradicts some of super’s lore. The most noteable example is that in super, kibitoshin defused with the dragonballs, whereas in daima, he got buu to defuse him.
@@Nice_Person7379So? They could just re-fuse.
7:30 I highly doubt he means this literally. I think he means he wished for everyone to forget Buu was a bad guy, so in the eyes of the people, he’s a good guy. That would explain the “let him remain on Earth” part. After all, why would it be up to Shenron if he could remain on Earth? He’s referring to the memory erasure wish.
Yeah turning Goku into a kid is a great idea. Nobody's ever done that before, and I'm sure it'll work out just swell. .....
@@Decay0 i bet it is gonna work out
I bet it is gonna work out
Only wish I remember them making about buu was to make everyone forget about buu. The good part of buu is all that's left of the original buu so that dialogue doesn't make sense
Am I the only one who hates this new series? I consider it non canon
3:57 I'm glad this panel pretty much gives the pass for Shin and Kibito being seperated in Daima, by mentioning "we asked to be separated again."
I'm going with that it's a translation error. Let's hope.
It’s probably it’s own continuity.
Though I don’t know if this will be confirmed.
I find it weird how a random namekian can take control over someone else set of dragon balls
They need to give us Moro and Granolah arcs in this animation. Honestly. Cause those are the two best arcs in DBS. By far.
Thanks for pointing that out, I think it's Toriyama's forgetfulness happening again. Overall, I feel the the trigger for the plot kinda artificial, like turning them into kids (why not attempt to wish them die?) and not try to turn all into an infant where there's a chance. Maybe since they are more comical villains, they are prone to make idiotic decisions? Either way, it seems they also retcon the Kibito Shin situation and confirm the theory that Buu's inside cancelled the fusions. I interpret that despite Buu's inside did cancel Vegito's fusion, the 1 hr rule still there and only the Kibito Shin situation was retcon.
4:24 here comes another timeline
Dbs and Daima are not related in any way. The design of the Bardock is like in Dragonball Minus. We already see vivid contradictions between Dbs and Daima, because in it the Potars work in a different way. The Dbz databooks said that the merging of the potar is eternal and multiplies the power of the heroes - A*B. This suggests that the fusion of the Potaras is MUCH stronger than the Dance.
Databooks are non canon and never will be canon. They are official - sure. But they are official corporate fan fic. As others mentioned, the potara retcon doesn't really contradict the other, both can be true at the same though we can assume it only exists because Toriyama saw that people didn't like the previous retcon - for some reason, so he went with the explanation the fans wanted (although I much preffered supers explanation) - still both can be true. Potara may still not be intended to be used by mortals, and Buu's magic may weaken them at the same time. Especially since now we have a much clearer explanation of the difference between dark and light magic. Potras would clearly be light, while Majin without any doubt is dark
Also, the making buu a good guy, I thought they were referring too the reincarnation of uub? When goku wishes he would come back a good person? Maybe the translations are a bit rough about it, but that's what I assumed
I guess maybe he was referring to uub? I was wondering that exact same thing when I watched it. Of course, it isn't dubbed yet so I also wondered if maybe it was just a translation issue. From what I remember, fat but turned good due to Mr. Satan's kind treatment towards him. And buu's puppy. Because then they split into kid but and father buu...or am I remembering wrong?
Causing premature issues is a villain staple lol
Krillin is talking about Kid Buu.
Translation mistake maybe? But I thought oob was supposed to be a big secret though. Everyone was surprised in the tournament
Exactly. Only Dende knew in DBS.
When I first seen this dialogue, I immediately thought of ubb. Not sure how that is even confusing for some people lol
The powers of the dragon always seem to be subject to the demands of the plot/story. Porunga was able to teleport all namekians, Bulma, Gohan, & Vegeta to earth and didn’t have to request permission from Vegeta, Gohan, or Piccolo(unconscious). Yet he needed to ask Goku permission if he could teleport him to earth.
Shenron can’t change Android 17 & 18 back into normal humans against their will because they are more powerful than him and have strange abilities(part machine). Yet Shenron has no issues with turning Goku and his friends into children/babies.
When Cheelai made her wish to Shenron he teleported Broly back to Vampa. Broly appeared on Vampa with a confused expression.
The Potara thing almost makes me think that Daima is set in another continuity. One where Super won't happen. (Like GT). But why would they do that?
@@Apotheosis1113 Where did you get this info from?
Never liked the Super retcon of the earrings.
@DragonBallGOAT using a piece of terminology does not automatically make Super canon. But you can go about it however you want. So far as I am concerned they are all a part of different timelines (non canon) since just like Super and GT you can remove them and nothing changes in the OG story.
@@zedorian6547 daima and super is literally canon to z like it are not,daima is literally going to be canon to super.just because u hate something doesn't mean u right
@@Joy_Boy77733 his uncle works at toei
Next thing we know its gonna be another Fate Series issue continuity, and people say GT story was bad ?!
lmao the goku wishing to shenron for buu to become good is a misstranslation, kuririn actually says that goku made a wish so buu can remain on earth without people remembering his face and no he's not talking about uub, uub was a wish to king yenma
Daima is 10/10 purely because Kuririn has white eyes
I think it was pretty good i love the fact that we got new lore and they even referenced the old its because of buu that we defused with the potara and i like that they precised that its true for the kai they need some sort of buu magic to defuse
Not only it feels like old dragonball not super cause it is and mini goku looks more like is db era not Gt altough gt was still mini ripped goku
Not only that maybe daima isnt related to the super timeline and more close to the manga
@@Mania70no and no
11:19 idk if I’m misunderstanding but cheelai literally wished broly off earth to save him from gogeta
I’m pretty sure the Krillin quote is referring to kid buu being reincarnated instead of having his soul sent to hell at least it makes more sense that way
Whats funny is Team Four Star in DBZA has Shenron ask why they didnt just wish for him to destroy Nappa and Vegetas spacepods but Roshi then says they will just be fine with having Goku revived.
"You actually ask Shenron to make Buu a good guy and let him remain on earth". That could be a mistranslation of Goku "wish" that results in Uub. Annoying, since Uub is a dumb character that should be the first to be retconned out and forgotten about. But since they went out of their way to keep his origin in Super, it makes sense to include here. The translator could have just gotten context confused when it was mention, thinking any wish is talking about a wish to Shenron, since Fat Buu is on the screen at the time. When in reality its Kid Buu thats the topic of that line.
Anyway. There is a odd inconsistency with that new Namekian too. He made guardians for his Dragon Balls, but is not only completely fine but willing to help subvert using his to make a wish by using hacks to facilitate usage of another set? WTF? Thats like making a nuke and putting it behind extremely tight security, then someone comes along and asks if they will help them access, arm and program the guidance for someone else's nuke. "Nukes are dangerous! I must protect this. What? Oh! Sure! You want my help with another nuke? Who do you want to blow up? I don't mind at all! Sounds fun!".
At this stage i find it minor. Cause buu and shenron both use magic so makes sense and Supreme Kai doesnt know about the time limit until Gowasu tells him so atm ill take it as an inconsistance but will hold judgement until we get all 15 episodes of Daima. As far as the quote about Buu being good it can either be refering to Uub or a mistranslation about the people forgetting about Buu. However i would of perfered if they just put resources into animating Super tbh instead of Daima
This entire show is about the comedic side of Dragon balls. The Kabitoshin thing is probably a separate continuity. I don't think this is supposed to lead up to super.
I don't know if it has been stated anywhere or not officially, but my impression is that Daima is it's own separate timeline or it is a non-canon side story.
But we saw a picture of Super Bardock and they named Goku's Universe Universe 7, which is established Super Lore
@@lordarhima3615It's all a retconned mess. Z Bardock was originally canon but the trash super cpunterpart replaced him.
No actually, that’s not what it is, These guys have never watched the events that happened in the living world or outside world before the Buu saga, they had no to reason to wish for anything prior Debura’s death, they never know that they were gonna succeed the throne. They viewed the fight between Babidi forces vs saiyans as the battle of supremacy not as a villain vs hero type of battle. They knew Babidi’s goal was to rule over all worlds, they were scared of that. They thought nothing could stop the Z warriors (who just defeated Babidi forces whose goal was rule over the worlds) from coming and conquering their world since again they viewed the battle as a battle of supremacy. That’s why they decided to strike preemptively.
"You asked Shenron to make buu good and let him remain on earth " if it's referring to UUB, wasn't it King Yemma who did it?
He asked Sheron in Z to make the earthlings forget about the destruction Buu caused. That was supposed to be the meaning behind that line.
Also Crunchyroll's subs for DB are very prone. Even with Super they weren't. There's always corrections going in Twitter after every episode
It’s like the goku black story, beerus creates the problem by going to meet zamazu
7:20 must be a misstranslation refering to Uub somehow? Afterall that is still part of Buu too...
Buu turn good thanks to Mr Saturn not the dragon balls the dragon balls were use to erase people memories of Buu cause of what buu did.
Mr Saturn is my favorite DBZ character! :D
Pepsi Man is my favourite from Super
**Mr.Zlatan*
Hopefully they’re not wording it this way to throw us off and they’re just going based off fan theories with uub or something, like when when people thought Goku wishing buu to “come back as a good guy” somehow tied in with that moment with supreme Kai and shenron, or maybe because of his pure heart but honestly I just call plot bs at this point.
Maybe it's a bit deeper and he's talking about when Kid Buu is reincarnated that he becomes good and comes back to earth rather than hell? Idk just spitballing
Krillin's referring to the wish that erased people's memories of Buu.
"You asked Shenron for Buu to become a good guy [as far as anyone remembers] and stay on earth [without people being scared of him]."
But when did he ask shenron to do that?
They're remaking all the older series. Super was Z and now this is GT. All they're doing is amplifying each of them, instead of Goku being a kid, it's every fighter and the kids babies...this is dumb.
Wait it dropped today?
Yeah it’s on Crunchyroll
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I and many other think it might just be a miss translation from ‘Wishing everyone to think Buu is a good person’
They kinda fixed the vegito issue tho bc it’s still unknown about the mortal time limit factor until super. Which kinda ties in bc they still think it’s only buu that can defuse them
This new demon king dug his own grave. The Z fighters were never planning on attacking the demon realm but now they probably will.
And the fact is, they were still fused. In Dragon ball super until. Universe 6 Tournament
However, it is possible that I might be able to explain why this has happened. Apparently it was stated in the universe 6 Tournament
Supreme kai stated they meaning kibito Kai and Supreme Kai couldn't handle it anymore.
That's why I think they use see namekian dragon balls to diffuse permanently
Meaning for it is possible. They did attempt to try to unfuse multiple different times and ways, but failed miserably, so they might refuse back once again at the end of dragon ball, diama to make it consistent with the cannon
I thought it was fascinating how they built up the lore of the Demon Realm. Like, Namekians CAME FROM THERE?