It’s not an issue for most other players tho. Southgate has his limitations but the main issue here is Foden’s ability to play outside of the Manchester City ecosystem which seems to be a trend for a lot of their players from the academy
@@stealthiscooli mean, Foden is probably the most shifted around player in that side. He literally have ZERO continuity. To be fair to him, he's a Pep player through and through. A player that loves a passing game. Opposite of Southgate. If Iniesta or Xavi was born English, England too would struggle to accommodate them as they are not how England used to play
It’s not that Foden only works in Pep’s system. It’s that he doesn’t work in Southgate’s system. Remember at the U17 World Cup he got Player of the Tournament
I swear Phil Foden is the only player in the world that you’ll see blokes bring up U17 performances in an attempt to defend him having a stinker. Most spoiled player in the world
@@kirker87exactly, Eddie nketiah has the record of the highest goal scorer in England youth setup, you won't see people making raves about that, but with foden...
why switch from a system that has worked well for us and a lot of our players bar kane, foden and taa are technically amazing it wouldn't work with england
@esseffsee Because evolving is a part of sports and those who don't fail. You don't have to throw the system out, but you should always tune your game plan to the best players. If the players don't work together, don't select the ones who you can't work with for the national side. This is not complicated.
Can't comment much on Foden, but as a portuguese, I wanna also point out that the same has been said about Bernardo Silva, also from ManCity. Honestly, it's getting frustrating how much he has been criticized over and over by portuguese pundits (and people in general) about how he plays for the National Team. It's like they forgot how impactful he was in the 2019 Nations League or even in the qualifiers. Maybe I'm a bit biased because I've been following him since he was 19, but I think people don't understand what a versatile player is, a player that can play in many positions and will do it even in the same one match. People are used to watch players play checkers, while people like these guys play chess and are versatile AF. People only pay attention to the guy that assists, but never notice the guy that assisted the one that assists (or even the one that starts the setplay). And people never pay attention on how much these guys work off the ball: distracting opposition purposely, pressing all the time, track-back and defend when others don't, get the ball from the back when the defenders can't start the play, etc.
Couldn’t have said it better! As a City fan, I’ve noticed quite a few of the City players that struggle at international level for similar reasons to Foden and Bernardo. The thing about City players is they are super intelligent and versatile. The problem is in international football, games are more often won by individual players grabbing a game by the scruff of the neck a la Jude. The systems in international football have been much simpler which probably makes it harder on players who are used to looking at the game on a deeper level. It’s like hiring an astrophysicist to drive a forklift. They can do it, but are they really gonna stand out? Are you really getting the best out of them? To bring it back to Bernardo, I’ve always been frustrated at how little Portugal utilize his unique attributes. He often is just seen as a ball retainer and progressor. There’s a similar issue where he can’t impose himself on the game because players like Bruno Fernandes are more focused on spamming big chances and not retaining the ball the same way City do. Now, I will say that managers like Nagelsmann at Germany are starting to get international teams to play more like a club team. If England can find a successor to Southgate that can use these more intelligent players better, you will get more out of them. Otherwise, players that are versatile like Foden and Bernardo will never be appreciated at the international level unfortunately.
@@mayujamir6027 For sure. I don't think he's the best winger for Portugal, but I do think he's a better player (overall) than the others. IMO he should play beside Bruno and Vitinha, like he plays beside KDB and Foden in a high midfield, and not really as a pure winger.
Also the reason Bernardo’s Portugal form has dipped is because they have a clown in management called Roberto Martinez, the guy who wasted Belgium’s golden generation
Ah yes, the Nations League and qualifiers. Exactly the sort of game you want your talent to be thriving. Seriously, Silva is 30 and his legacy with Portugal is weaker than that of Eder, André Gomes or José Fonte. It's beyond embarrassing.
I do agree with all ur points here viz and I believe he has the ability to be the same player he is for city for England but he just needs more confidence because when he wears that England shirt, you can see that he doesn’t feel comfortable in Gareth’s system but he has to learn to adapt which is the key skill he needs to possess rn
I agree, it’s just a concern that the same conversation for the last 3 years has been said now with Foden, we still have no idea the best place to play him which is mental
@@Vizeh I think he just needs more confidence and maybe try start to mould into that left wing position a bit more otherwise it’s sad to say but he’s going to have to be a super sub for that 10 spot but even then we have the likes of eze and palmer for that too so it is a really hard decision to deal with
Phil Foden is such a talented player who gets the most excuses for consistently dropping a stinker every time he plays for his country and he has never truly been able to replicate his club form at international level. I don’t think I’ve seen a massive drop off in performances from a player for club and country where they play so well at club level week in week out, but when they play for the national team, it’s a different story. He’s coming off a season where he was the best player in the premier league and won the title for Manchester City a couple of weeks ago, but we have yet to see the best version of him in an England shirt and he produced another poor performance for them in their opening game against Serbia. He started on the left wing and he had a couple of touches and was involved in the game without truly making an impact as he left Harry Kane isolated and their attack wasn’t fluid simply because he tried to get on the ball when he drifted centrally leaving a massive void on the left. Whenever he had the ball, he lost possession and was always playing passes sideways and backwards and his performances for England raises the question mark about whether or not he’s a world class player systems merchant who looks good because of Pep Guardiola and Manchester City. It’s obvious to many people that he’s not a left winger and he’s being used out of position and everyone knows that he’s at his best when he’s playing as a number 10 in a more central role, but he’ll have to play as a winger as long as Jude Bellingham is in that team. He doesn’t want to play him as a number 10 because he doesn’t want to be too attacking and I agree with that, some of his conservative is their biggest problem. His overall fit in the team is a massive problem for England because he’s the most talented player in the squad and they don’t know what to do with him. What they need to do is play a left winger and play him as a midfielder next to Bellingham and if Gareth Southgate isn’t willing to do that, he has no choice but to drop him because if England want to win the EUROs, you can’t be carrying passengers and Foden won’t be a difference maker for the team if he’s regularly playing as a left winger. They don’t utilize him properly I can understand that since Bellingham is their number 10 and Saka is an out and out right winger and those are roles where Foden does best at, we also have to acknowledge that very soon he has to be held more accountable for his performances for England because these are problems that can no longer be ignored and while Man City are a good team, at club level he’s been about to have excellent output while playing out of position and a player of his quality can’t be impactful because they don’t use him in the right position and that I understand because players who have a lot of ability you have to play to their strengths as there are some players who don’t rely on certain system to perform. No matter how good you are as a player at the highest level of football, whatever position you play for club and country, you have to adapt and find ways to impact the game. I don’t think he’s an overrated player who’s only good because of Pep and Manchester City, he plays under a manager who isn’t the best when it comes to bringing out the best in talented players like Foden and Gareth Southgate needs to find a way to fit him in the same team as Harry Kane Jude Bellingham and Bukayo Saka.
Jesus Christ mate! I am so happy that a video I’ve made will make someone go through so much detail in a comment, best part is this words my thoughts perfectly It’s so odd that for 3/4 years we still don’t know where or how to play our literal best player, it’s crazy man
You don't remember a player dropping so bad compared to his club level? Do you know a player by the name of messi? Have you watched his national team performances prior to 2019? He was just awful, which didn't help that his entire team was also awful I'm sorry but a lot of "great players" are like that
@@Ananas-280 Awful is crazy, made it to 3 finals in 3 years in which he only lost on pens or in extra time. He had his share of meh tournaments (Russia 2018 comes to mind) but calling him awful is a stretch imo. Agree with your overall point though.
Southgate must make a decision. If Foden doesn't work in his system then just drop him. It doesn't mean Foden is a bad player by any means. And I don't take the "media pressure" excuse. If benching him means better results then nobody's gonna bat an eye. PL player of the year or not international football is just a different beast.
Yep, 3rd class. He is a number 10/winger but he isn't the best winger Saka/Gordon etc. do a lot better job than him on the wings. He is a 10 but a number 8 Jude plays better than him at 10. That says a lot about Phil.
@@pbsuiteno… Bellingham isn’t our best 10, Foden is. The reason Bellingham scored so much for Madrid was because he was the sole central player behind two inverted wingers. More recently, he dropped more deep and shifting to the left. He’s class in midfield and is definitely our best 8, should be played alongside Rice where Jude can advance forward as a ball carrier and occasionally box-crashing. Foden is a proper 10, he can dribble, carry the ball up pitch, create chances, work in tight spaces. Against Denmark he was our best player when he moved centrally and to the right side of the pitch. It’s best if we play him as the 10 and Bellingham more deeper and have a winger like Gordon on the left.
he's a talented player, but really has played in a pep team basically all of his career. so the transition from that to southgate ball which is much different, will have its impacts
Foden could play as a LW that moves centrally as a second 10 alongside Bellingham, similar to what he does for City, but you can only do that with a left footed LB to overlap, and the only one of those we called up is injured
Honestly Foden may just have the same legacy as Paul Scholes when it comes to the National team. The issue here is that, a certain Spaniard called Iniesta, played in the wing many times for Spain specially in the World Cup and he SHINED, so it’s not even a Southgate problem at this point, it’s just Foden being bad for the national team, even Fábregas pointed that out
@@oldskoolmusicnostalgiathe system played to their tikka tikka needs and hence it worked for them. If the same was applied to Foden, he would shine too.
@@uzairhussain4788why does system need to change for Foden to play well? Other players in the team play possession football and still play well for England.
i mean half of the spanish national team at that time were barca players so its not a fair comparison, the natural chemistry between the players will contribute a lot. and while england do seem to have a lot of chemistry its nothing compared to having players that literally played for the same club. i do think foden should be better, however playing him in every position under the sun definitely doesnt help in making him comfortable with his role in the team. foden just needs to get used to playing in a certain position for england
In International Football , player with a direct playstyle normally perform better , since there's less time needed to develop the chemistry between them . Foden plays 100 times better than Rashford this season , but Rashford might still play better than him in a National Team .
Honestly, I beleive Foden should be played as an attacking midfielder. Bellingham did well as a attacking midfielder/false nine in Real Madrid, but England isn't Real Madrid. England has Kane and doesn't need Belingham to play the position he played in Real. It would be much better for England if they played Bellingham as a box to box midfielder while playing Foden as an attacking midfielder and freeing up the left wing position for a true winger like gordon. Btw, this isn't about who is a better player between bellingham and foden but rather what fits the team better.
Phil thrives in a team that controls the game and dominates possession. He’s always played under Guardiola, and no other coach. The issue with England is that Southgate is not interested in dominating possession and allows the opposition to control the game in the midfield. Southgate coaches not only different to Pep, but in the complete opposite way. Phil will always be uncomfortable playing in a team without control and possession - like most forwards and midfielders. When he has the ball the other players are not looking for it or moving for him because they are all in position where they are eager to recover quickly if needed
Every single player is a system player technically. Put messi under a defensive manager he becomes in effective. Its all in the coaching because football is a team game at the end of the day. This is what makes Ancelotti the perfect manager, he knows how to fit players in any team any system and gets them to perform.
As a Madrid fan, I’ve been seeing English people shitting on Jude consistently the past 4 months, saying he ghosts, and saying Foden’s clear. Saying foden deserves balon d’or shouts more than him. For me, it’s good to see the narrative shift.
I think that’s why fans need to grow up and just admit that Bellingham and Foden are both fantastic players that each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Foden was terrific against Madrid in the Champions League while Jude struggled a little bit more. Now, on the international stage, Foden is struggling much more. If people looked at these players more objectively instead of emotionally, we wouldn’t have to have half of these stupid conversations lol
@@ManchesterCitySupremacy Bellingham has played with a seriously injured shoulder (injured in November) and ankle (injured February vs Girona), hence his drop in form the second half of the season. He will be getting surgery on his shoulder, asap after the Euros. The kid is a true athlete, still pushing the limits and through the pain.
@@mcfc101this whole left wing stuff is bollocks 😂 he broke into the city team as a left winger and until this season he’d spent the majority of the time on the left and put in good performances. In the last England match he was actually given similar freedom to what he gets at city allowing him to drift infield and find pockets of space between the lines but the problem lies within the fact that the England players fail to pick him out time and time again meaning he drops deeper and deeper to receive the balls in areas he can’t effect the game 👍
If you watch City regularly you know thay Foden is pure class. I think it's more the pressure of playing for England. Throughout sports there are always certain teams that rise and fall under pressure. Unfortunately England is the latter
What pressure is there playing against Iceland in a friendly?R u telling me there’s more pressure playing the likes of Bosnia and Iceland then there is playing United.I can’t remember him having a good game even in pointless friendlies.Drop him and give Gordon or palmer a try
I kinda put it on Southgate. It is tough, you can’t take bellingham or Rice out of their positions, they are just too good at what they do, you need them there. I don’t have the answer for Foden, however Southgate should, as that is his job as the manager of England, and having spent so much time with this squad/Foden. There should be something figured out for him so that he has more than one touch in the box against a not even top 10 team in the Euro’s
I agree bro, to have him in so many different positions 4 years on is just not good enough really, he still has no real idea how to get best out of him
Thats what i was saying but southgate just throws everyone on the pitch caring less about fluidity why is it difficult to bench trent and use him later to rest kyle walker, i'm a liverpool and putting the boy up against those germany,spain,france,and portugal midfields is basically setting him up for failure@@nassahrakim8136
As a City fan, I hope Foden do a Ben White and just ditch England until they have a coach that didnt play dinosaur football in the modern era. At this point, playing for England clearly stunt his development more than it help him. Being shoehorned into a side lacking tactics, played out of position and different position each time, while also taking all the flak from media and rival fans, it cant be good for development. He should've just go on vacation with his family, get some rest physically and mentally, and come back fresh for the new season, ready to learn and improve from the best coach in football history.
Scottish and 100% agree. No reason why a player of his calibre should be stuck with a man who looks like he still eats like the Germans are flying overhead with how dated his non-existent tactics are. Makes Neil Warnock look like Ange Postecoglou in comparison, at least he had a likeable personality. What's likeable about Southgate? Type of bloke to eat unseasoned raw chicken and consider it a gourmet meal. No passion, no fight, no direction. And this is with objectively one of the best current teams in the world right now. Players are the peak of their careers being wasted and looking like shells of themselves. Foden deserves to be sitting in Benidorm munching a chippy and enjoying the high-life instead of this rubbish.
System player is just a buzzword football fans use to downplay a players accomplishments. Haaland…. Trent…. The list goes on and on. I’ve seen few cases where a player is good based only because the system they play in.
Actually Haaland is the farthest thing I’ve seen from a system player. He would bang in Sunday league and every football fan knows this. He would score in every level of football. They just use the system football talks because they think he lacks in technical ability. Lazy analysis tbh. Haaland scores at the same rate for Salzburg, Dortmund, City and Norway of close enough atleast. All this yapping to say yes it’s just a buzzword
@@paulokogbenin8470True but Haaland looks so one dimensional in Man city unlike his Dortmund days like as if he sacrificed all his footballing abilities for goals. Can't really blame many English casual fans for it.
This is gonna sound ridiculous but what if we swapped him and saka on the wings? As an arsenal fan it would pain me to see as saka is quality on the right especially for England, however with the lack of a natural left footed overlap on englands left hand side makes me think this could solve it, Southgate will not do it but just imagine this lineup as a bit of fun. Kane Saka Bellingham Foden Rice Trent Gomez Guehi Stones Walker Pickford However in possession stones could step into midfield like he does for city giving us more of a playmaker from deep, Trent can move wide where his crosses can be more effective allowing Jude and foden to play in the middle, creating a 3241 formation that would look something like this. Walker can also overlap if we are seriously chasing a game. Kane Saka Bellingham Foden Trent Rice Stones Gomez Guehi Walker Pickford Then when defending it would look something like this: Kane Foden Saka Bellingham Rice Trent Gomez Guehi Stones Walker Pickford Get this sounds absolutely mental and would never happen but just something to think about.
Would be better cause Saka started his career as a left back then as a left mid. There are truly no good left wingers for England, Rashford and Sterling are past their prime and I think England have to play with Kane, Saka, Foden and Bellingham in the same team. If Foden plays bad can get Palmer on
@@Vizeh The jams are jamming so far. Do you usually go with a specific copyright-free playlist when you're editing it or do you plug it in via the stuff RUclips itself offers for copyright-free music?
@@ps5andstuffhere You could say the same about Henderson being reliant on the overpowered gegenpressing Klopp system, because his greatest ability was his work rate, stamina and leadership. Whilst being a decent/good player
The thing about Messi is no Bellingham could exist that would make Messi need to play a different position, Messi is a player where if you have him, the rest of the team falls into place around him. If you’re not that 1 of 1, you need to be a bit more flexible
True, as evident by Lionel Scaloni's team selection for the World Cup, with pressing machines like Julian Alvarez and Rodrigo De Paul, who help the team regain the ball and then just lay it off to Messi to create. Honestly though, I don't know how to best deploy Foden in this case, because England's playstyle is not very entertaining and there are too many talented players the coach can utilize as alternatives. Maybe he should be benched honestly.
@@da_gang4life thats what I'm saying bro don't force things just use him as a sub for jude or use a 3 center back system don't use a cdm pivot and play 2 tens adds a whole knew dimension of creativity
I love Phil foden I think he’s a complete baller. I truly believe he’s amongst the best in the world rn. With all that said I can’t lie Phil completely disappears when he plays for England. I watch England play all the time and I can’t tell you what he does. I hope he can find his stride in the tournament.
Gareth Southgate plays in such a way that we can’t play with freedom or flair and I think Foden suffers from that massive, imagine if ange or ancelotti had this squad. Cannot wait to get a new manager so we can play the football the whole country knows we’re capable of playing
@@esseffsee capello was about freedom and flair was he 😂😂 do me a favour , capello is the opposite of freedom and flair 😂 refused to play anything other than a rigid 4-4-2 and if his wide mids dare cut inside he’d lose his mind so not sure what you’re on about fella 🫣
England should play 3 cbs and use two tens and I think they needed a Henderson for this tournament someone who can sit back and is matured enough to dictate the tempo sot of like kroos d For Germany or a rodri for Spain
I don’t think people ever genuinely believed Messi was going to struggle against stoke, or any team in particular, the argument was more that the Barca system favoured him greatly, it was a valid statement to make that the bayern munich of the time would have never changed up their system to accommodate messi he would still bag goals but the system wouldn’t have utilised or favoured him to the fullest, essentially he wasn’t going to get 90 calendar year goals in anything but a barca system.
Phil Foden is a superb footballer. If you don’t see it then you don’t understand football very well. I think any footballer that works week in week out with the best coach to grace the game is gonna look worse when they go to the England setup and play under Southgate, a far inferior coach to Guardiola in every single aspect. Southgate doesn’t know how to utilise his best players, he doesn’t even know his best starting XI. He is the common denominator. Look at other players, Trent, superb for Liverpool, average at best for England. Saka, superb for Arsenal, half decent for England. Harry Kane, goals & assists galore last season for Bayern, hardly got on the ball vs Serbia. England’s issues reach far beyond Phil Foden and his recent underwhelming performances. Gareth Southgate has consistently failed to deliver in his time as head coach. If you want our elite players to shine, hire an elite coach. It’s that simple.
Because everyone in the UK is inherently miserable it's a part of our personality.... Constantly frustrated and fickle when it comes to supporting England.... It's something that unfortunately won't change bud
Y would u praise a player consistently performing poorly even though he’s the player of the year in the prem.Saka is the one that unjustly gets criticised.Foden deserves to be dropped and give someone else a chance to step up.Foden has had many chances
@@uzaidgurjee4798 nah the problem is Southgate, you could see his fingerprints all over that game, the lack of organization, players in each others positions, and terrible possession keeping. I mean every time the ball was played back to Pickford he would immediately blast it across the pitch and lose possession and he did it so many times that I'm sure those were the instructions he received from Southgate. Foden doesn't need to go, its Southgate.
People say that he was playing out of position but he wasn’t: he played at 10 in possession like he always does. He had the freedom and the license to go anywhere. He just was not able to demand the ball and get on it enough to make the difference. It’s not about the system. He just had an off game. He played well in the first 15 minutes before England scored. After we scored, we dropped off and didn’t have the ball, meaning that none of our attackers to get on it.
Play Saka on the left, he can and has played there, keep Jude in the 10 and stick Foden in down the right. He can play so much better when his strong foot can send passes and shots inwards. He isnt a crosser, and he doesnt hug the touchline. He will not work down the left as a left footer, especially with a right-footed left back. Stick him down the right, and at least he'll be able to get some of those curling shots away that he scores so many times for City.
Germany have two incredible, young number 10s and have built their whole team around fitting them both in the team in their preferred positions. England have a similar situation with Foden and Bellingham and Southgate is playing Foden at left wing with an overlapping fullback. That’s the difference between a tactically inept manager in Southgate and a world class one in Nagelsmann.
It’s not just Foden, Bernardo Silva also doesn’t perform at his absolute best with Portugal. There’s quite a few examples of modern players that are system players and once taken out of that environment where they were trained day in and day out to do a specific job and certain patterns engrained in their play, they look like a shell of a player they are.
People after Messi broke the goal record for Argentina in 2016: "He is a system player" People after Foden delivers zero performances consistently for years at England: "It's not Foden's fault. Southgate doesn't know how to use him he should be played in the exact same manner at City under Pep"
I agree with some of your points, but you cannot compare fodens performances with the national team to Lionel Messi’s before 2020… Messi put in countless great performances for Argentina in the past, the question was when would he stop choking. Foden has been consistently poor for England which is an entirely different situation
This is a recurring problem with England. They think that certain players are too talented to be left out so they shoe horn them into the team. This is not only happening with Foden but Alexander-Arnold as well. They are not the best players in their positions, but they are put in anyway because the are "world-class players"
Exactly. I’m shocked more people aren’t talking about how much of a waste it is to put Trent in midfield the way that Southgate is. You could tell it affected his confidence as well as the confidence of his teammates around him like Rice, who was solid against Serbia but nowhere near the levels he was hitting at Arsenal this season. Southgate needs to be brave enough to bench one of the stars and use more role players who are comfortable in the system that you are playing in. As soon as I saw the England lineup against Serbia, I knew they were gonna struggle with that terrible team balance lol
Phil foden I seen him play live against Newcastle this season(fa cup quarter final) and holy shit like how can you be that agile and silky with the left foot that he can just release whenever he pleases. what a player man coming from a man utd fan who's Irish I can admit he's one fresh lil guy but honestly I hope England get to the final and loose again HAHAHAHHA
I think this depends on how much England's manager (can't fucking believe that's still Southgate) rates Foden. Bellingham, excluding last season, played most of his career as a CDM/CM, I think a trio of Rice-Bellingham-Foden is very much a valid and balanced option. But that hinges on how well you think Foden can perform as a 10. And Southgate clearly thinks Bellingham is better at it, which creates quite the issue.
Would be interesting to see (in a friendly game): Kane being dropped, Jude playing false 9 (as he does in Madrid), Foden could then take AM and stay on the edge of the box while Saka and other winger (Gordon or lets say Grealish) could touch lines to force width and separate for 1 on 1s. Not saying it would work, not saying dropping Kane to accommodate for Foden is a way to go, but it would be interesting to see.
Southgate is to blame for setting the team up the way he does, but Foden should be ashamed with performance. He should of been subbed off. Southgate is squandering the best group of players England has ever had.
To be honest, it all depends on what players you want to focus on, and apparently players like Saka and Bellingham are seen to be more valuable/more needed to be in their best role
It’s still crazy to me that people think he CAN’T play well as a winger, considering he’s played very well as a winger for City on multiple occasions. He scored a hat trick against United as a winger.
because hes not being played as an out and out winger. He can play as rw false 9 10 etc but only outside peps systems and for pep he can play lw because hes either on touchline duty or he plays purely centrally and on paper hes just tlw
This isn't 1994 anymore pal. Position don't mean sh*t anymore in football. Roles matter. When Saka plays RW he plays in a different way staying wide going 1v1 but when Foden plays he drifts inside freely everywhere between the lines.
@@fishyfish6510exactly, I can't believe noone else has this. Foden can play well for England even as a LW bc when he comes central, we saw saka find him in those pockets of space that he's really effective in (in the Denmark game). Those were the moments where he took shots with his left foot on the edge of the box that we see him take for city. If saka and foden build up a bit more chemistry I guarantee foden will start to perform for england
The difference is Messi was never just under one manager at Barca and performed for lots of different ones and even had arguably his best season in 18/19 with a poor Barca team. Also, if managers tried to accommodate Messi, you could understand it given who he is. 😂
tbh i think this is more so on sg not having a proper 11 or system down yet dudes only job is to figure out a way to get the best out of his talents look at a guy like nagelsmann and how he's fit gundo, writz, muisala all into one starting eleven and how each is thriving but thats the difference between a proper manager and southgate. However shouldn't excuse foden for not thriving as well he looks often times scared in a england shirt he needs to find that confidence himself and play at the level we've seen him play at with city
Sterling looked very good as well i think its style and midfield creativity because imo foden is good but like i get good on great team average when he doesn't have a world starting team for behind
Its down to Gareth Southgate really. Lets be honest as good as he might be at be at motivating players and keeping a good squad morale, he isnt a tactically astute coach. Look at Germany with Musiala and Wirtz, everyone thought they will have the same issue as bellingham and foden but naggelsmann being an excellent coach created a system for both of them to thrive in, without dropping other key players and having a good balance.
England fans would casually throw every player under the bus to protect Southgate and it is pathetic. This coach can never win anything, his side almost always lose when facing a top side
There's a video on the stat map from Englands game which shows Foden isn't receiving ball, he has no back up from Trippier if he does get it and Trippier only made one forward pass in the attacking zone all game. On top of that Jude is constantly in the left central spaces that Phil wants to be in if he's playing on the left. His movement off the ball was good but he wasn't being found. I don't see the perspective of Phil being this all around player that can do everything, he'll execute a give and go rather than dribble 95% of the time. I think you could actually make the argument that Jude is more well rounded than Phil which is why you can also argue that Jude should be positioned beside Rice with Phil in the number 10 role. I don't think it will happen but if they gave it a go at the Euros then you would probably see Foden shine, or if they gave the lad a pass or two with a qualified left back supporting. Bellingham has always been central, he can make a strong tackle, I don't think his output would be dampened in the same way Foden's is when his position is changed.
This is just a case of too much options at the buffet. Remember when england were forcing gerrard, lampard and scholes. They were shoving lampard on the left, putting scholes deep and it just backfired. Gareth southgate is just shoving him in the squad because he is exceptional. But he’s not good on the left, he needs to be in the middle. Its just unfortunate that foden and jude are the two most important players on the team and they play in the same position But hey, this is just my years of playing football manager speaking
In the Belgium friendly he wasn't as bad, he also played on the left but had Chilwell as the left back and I remember him having good interchanges with Maino. But the problem is, most fans are more interested in seeing their favourite players than England having a balanced team.
Foden is like Scholes - in that he’ll never be good for England because he honestly doesn’t care enough to try for us, he loves City far more than he likes us Time for Gareth to do a Sven and drop him, I’d rather Gordon and I’m a Liverpool supporter…
It’s funny cuz I read it the opposite way. I think he cares too much about performing for England because he knows he’s the one with a target on his back. That’s why he can look good until he makes a mistake and then his confidence is shot and he gets worse and worse. I agree that dropping him could be a good solution if Southgate can’t find a way to incorporate him. But to say he doesn’t care about England is a bit unfair and disrespectful, don’t you think?
The same Scholes that was also shoehorned onto the left which isn’t the favoured position? Biggest is your boy Trent who can’t press, leaves his midfield man with 10 yards of space with no awareness. Should be nowhere near the squad
England need to find him in the half spaces and pick out those passes that will allow him to use his agility and balance to turn and move forwards in areas he can actually make a difference, but the midfield behind him makes that difficult as rice doesn’t see those passes which is fair enough as that isn’t his game, whilst whoever plays next to him whether usually doesn’t which is why I’d play Adam Wharton next to rice as he’s probably the perfect technically gifted deep playmaker that England need to help progress the ball better and I guarentee he’ll be the one to pick those passes out to foden.
The problem with Foden is, he doesnt make enough runs, meaning he is better suited to being a CAM, but for England, Bellingham goes there, and does an outstanding job Meaning Foden is shoved onto the wing's, and isnt as effective as Saka, coz he doesn't make those runs down the wing, trying to beat the offside trap, like Saka does
With Southgate’s system you need players who can run in behind once they park the bus. Kane, Foden and Saka (even though he has the pace) don’t play that way. Which is why, for all his shortcomings, Rashford is still the best fit at LW for this team. Bc Gareth likes to do the one thing he is best at
The issue is Pep Guardiola developed him into the pefect Pep Guardiola 10, not the perfect footballer. With England he struggles. There's also that issue where he isn't Messi, he's not the best player in the world, that's Jude Bellingham who also plays for England. You then have Saka who is 2 age groups behind Foden already with 10+ goals for England making his debut just shortly after Foden and also hitting similar numbers every season. You then also look at Trent, just a little older than Foden another world class player who's been one of the best right backs itw since his breakthrough season. England have so much world class talent so trying to build around a player that hasn't performed consistently in any position for England is just stupid. You focus on those other world class young talents (+Kane and Rice) who have proven it consistently. Some players are better for their nation than club and some are better for club than nation. It's always more about the setup and this setup doesn't fit Phil Foden and Southgate shouldn't be bullied into doing it. I'm also not having it from City fans that Foden's best position is 10, it's Pep Guardiola's 10 position he's best in. He's never performed in midfield
System players don't do well at international level where flexibility matters more. Nearly all of the City players that have been programmed by Guardiola are struggling at the Euros.
I don't see why England couldn't just use Arsenal's system. Bellingham can play the false 9 role that Havertz plays, Foden can do the Odegaard role and link up with Walker and Saka, Rice at the base... Like how doesn't that just work really well?
Foden is really good playing b/w the lines can turn effectively..the things hes not good at is getting in behind runs which England need from the left winger
In my country (Netherlands), we have a football journalist calling Southgate a swindler, or faker. It is a jokey comment, but what he means is that Southgate doesn't make choices to actually improve England's squad, but just picks all the star players to make the media and squad happy. It is stuff like Foden on LW or TAA on CDM. Both won't work. But then Southgate has to bench Foden or Saka, and bench TAA, etc. I mean, the Netherlands has a similar problem with defenders. We practically have the two best right wing-backs in the world. And so, Koeman improvised with Frimpong on a Right-Winger position... but he practically has the same role.
He literally compared him to messi and how messi was called a system player back in the day so I don’t think he’s arguing the fact he’s the best English football player itw rn but he’s arguing about how he’s being called a system player right now for certain reasons.
Love the videos you and HITC have the best takes, it's unpopular but I would start Gordon next game ahead of Foden. I feel this is Paul Scholes all over again just play a less gifted player who actually plays that position. When England has done that in the past and it often works Maquire great example and Heskey often did a great job for England over flashier more talented CF. Even Vassel often shined under Sven the odd chances he got to play for England.
bro just literally described a system player and said i dont think he is a system player, foden can only work in extremely possession based systems, and thats it.
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Genius that👏
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It’s not an issue for most other players tho. Southgate has his limitations but the main issue here is Foden’s ability to play outside of the Manchester City ecosystem which seems to be a trend for a lot of their players from the academy
I knew it'd somehow be southgate's fault that foden disappears for England 😂
@@stealthiscooli mean, Foden is probably the most shifted around player in that side. He literally have ZERO continuity. To be fair to him, he's a Pep player through and through. A player that loves a passing game. Opposite of Southgate. If Iniesta or Xavi was born English, England too would struggle to accommodate them as they are not how England used to play
I am equally bad in every system I played in. Take that Phil.
😂😂 me too
He just doesnt have that versatility we do.
It’s not that Foden only works in Pep’s system. It’s that he doesn’t work in Southgate’s system. Remember at the U17 World Cup he got Player of the Tournament
yup
I swear Phil Foden is the only player in the world that you’ll see blokes bring up U17 performances in an attempt to defend him having a stinker. Most spoiled player in the world
@@kirker87he was kind of the best player in england this past season…
@@kirker87exactly, Eddie nketiah has the record of the highest goal scorer in England youth setup, you won't see people making raves about that, but with foden...
@@victormartinez4381never shows up for England tho
Foden excels at short passing in midfield and the ability to operate in tight spaces,which is like the opposite of southgate ball unfortunately.
It’s so frustrating ain’t it mate
Another tekky player gone to waste. He should switch to Spain
why switch from a system that has worked well for us and a lot of our players bar kane, foden and taa are technically amazing it wouldn't work with england
@@esseffseeLiterally almost all the english players come from a possession based side even madrid is a possession based team most of the time
@esseffsee Because evolving is a part of sports and those who don't fail. You don't have to throw the system out, but you should always tune your game plan to the best players. If the players don't work together, don't select the ones who you can't work with for the national side. This is not complicated.
As an Irish city fan him being shite for England gives me even more reason to love him
Fair😂
As a German man city fan
I have no idea what to do 😂
Half the fan base in this chat
@@Ananas-280gundogan captaining Germany to the euro final
@@MikeyDaRed cant even write a comment without the other side getting offended lol
Can't comment much on Foden, but as a portuguese, I wanna also point out that the same has been said about Bernardo Silva, also from ManCity. Honestly, it's getting frustrating how much he has been criticized over and over by portuguese pundits (and people in general) about how he plays for the National Team. It's like they forgot how impactful he was in the 2019 Nations League or even in the qualifiers. Maybe I'm a bit biased because I've been following him since he was 19, but I think people don't understand what a versatile player is, a player that can play in many positions and will do it even in the same one match. People are used to watch players play checkers, while people like these guys play chess and are versatile AF. People only pay attention to the guy that assists, but never notice the guy that assisted the one that assists (or even the one that starts the setplay). And people never pay attention on how much these guys work off the ball: distracting opposition purposely, pressing all the time, track-back and defend when others don't, get the ball from the back when the defenders can't start the play, etc.
Couldn’t have said it better! As a City fan, I’ve noticed quite a few of the City players that struggle at international level for similar reasons to Foden and Bernardo. The thing about City players is they are super intelligent and versatile. The problem is in international football, games are more often won by individual players grabbing a game by the scruff of the neck a la Jude. The systems in international football have been much simpler which probably makes it harder on players who are used to looking at the game on a deeper level. It’s like hiring an astrophysicist to drive a forklift. They can do it, but are they really gonna stand out? Are you really getting the best out of them?
To bring it back to Bernardo, I’ve always been frustrated at how little Portugal utilize his unique attributes. He often is just seen as a ball retainer and progressor. There’s a similar issue where he can’t impose himself on the game because players like Bruno Fernandes are more focused on spamming big chances and not retaining the ball the same way City do.
Now, I will say that managers like Nagelsmann at Germany are starting to get international teams to play more like a club team. If England can find a successor to Southgate that can use these more intelligent players better, you will get more out of them. Otherwise, players that are versatile like Foden and Bernardo will never be appreciated at the international level unfortunately.
0 goal contributions in all his world cups and euros tho... doesn't help him.
@@mayujamir6027 For sure. I don't think he's the best winger for Portugal, but I do think he's a better player (overall) than the others. IMO he should play beside Bruno and Vitinha, like he plays beside KDB and Foden in a high midfield, and not really as a pure winger.
Also the reason Bernardo’s Portugal form has dipped is because they have a clown in management called Roberto Martinez, the guy who wasted Belgium’s golden generation
Ah yes, the Nations League and qualifiers. Exactly the sort of game you want your talent to be thriving.
Seriously, Silva is 30 and his legacy with Portugal is weaker than that of Eder, André Gomes or José Fonte. It's beyond embarrassing.
I do agree with all ur points here viz and I believe he has the ability to be the same player he is for city for England but he just needs more confidence because when he wears that England shirt, you can see that he doesn’t feel comfortable in Gareth’s system but he has to learn to adapt which is the key skill he needs to possess rn
I agree, it’s just a concern that the same conversation for the last 3 years has been said now with Foden, we still have no idea the best place to play him which is mental
So you agree that he is a system player
@@abioticflyer63 I agree that Southgate doesn’t know his best position with the players we have at all
@@Vizeh I think he just needs more confidence and maybe try start to mould into that left wing position a bit more otherwise it’s sad to say but he’s going to have to be a super sub for that 10 spot but even then we have the likes of eze and palmer for that too so it is a really hard decision to deal with
@@globglogabgalab2531but foden’s game is not one of a LW holding width tho…
Phil Foden is such a talented player who gets the most excuses for consistently dropping a stinker every time he plays for his country and he has never truly been able to replicate his club form at international level. I don’t think I’ve seen a massive drop off in performances from a player for club and country where they play so well at club level week in week out, but when they play for the national team, it’s a different story. He’s coming off a season where he was the best player in the premier league and won the title for Manchester City a couple of weeks ago, but we have yet to see the best version of him in an England shirt and he produced another poor performance for them in their opening game against Serbia. He started on the left wing and he had a couple of touches and was involved in the game without truly making an impact as he left Harry Kane isolated and their attack wasn’t fluid simply because he tried to get on the ball when he drifted centrally leaving a massive void on the left. Whenever he had the ball, he lost possession and was always playing passes sideways and backwards and his performances for England raises the question mark about whether or not he’s a world class player systems merchant who looks good because of Pep Guardiola and Manchester City.
It’s obvious to many people that he’s not a left winger and he’s being used out of position and everyone knows that he’s at his best when he’s playing as a number 10 in a more central role, but he’ll have to play as a winger as long as Jude Bellingham is in that team. He doesn’t want to play him as a number 10 because he doesn’t want to be too attacking and I agree with that, some of his conservative is their biggest problem. His overall fit in the team is a massive problem for England because he’s the most talented player in the squad and they don’t know what to do with him. What they need to do is play a left winger and play him as a midfielder next to Bellingham and if Gareth Southgate isn’t willing to do that, he has no choice but to drop him because if England want to win the EUROs, you can’t be carrying passengers and Foden won’t be a difference maker for the team if he’s regularly playing as a left winger. They don’t utilize him properly I can understand that since Bellingham is their number 10 and Saka is an out and out right winger and those are roles where Foden does best at, we also have to acknowledge that very soon he has to be held more accountable for his performances for England because these are problems that can no longer be ignored and while Man City are a good team, at club level he’s been about to have excellent output while playing out of position and a player of his quality can’t be impactful because they don’t use him in the right position and that I understand because players who have a lot of ability you have to play to their strengths as there are some players who don’t rely on certain system to perform. No matter how good you are as a player at the highest level of football, whatever position you play for club and country, you have to adapt and find ways to impact the game. I don’t think he’s an overrated player who’s only good because of Pep and Manchester City, he plays under a manager who isn’t the best when it comes to bringing out the best in talented players like Foden and Gareth Southgate needs to find a way to fit him in the same team as Harry Kane Jude Bellingham and Bukayo Saka.
Jesus Christ mate! I am so happy that a video I’ve made will make someone go through so much detail in a comment, best part is this words my thoughts perfectly
It’s so odd that for 3/4 years we still don’t know where or how to play our literal best player, it’s crazy man
You don't remember a player dropping so bad compared to his club level?
Do you know a player by the name of messi? Have you watched his national team performances prior to 2019? He was just awful, which didn't help that his entire team was also awful
I'm sorry but a lot of "great players" are like that
I aint reading allat
@@Ananas-280 Awful is crazy, made it to 3 finals in 3 years in which he only lost on pens or in extra time. He had his share of meh tournaments (Russia 2018 comes to mind) but calling him awful is a stretch imo.
Agree with your overall point though.
@@modestpelican9209 Idgaf
As an American football guy, it’s nice to see the system player term used abroad
Southgate must make a decision. If Foden doesn't work in his system then just drop him. It doesn't mean Foden is a bad player by any means. And I don't take the "media pressure" excuse. If benching him means better results then nobody's gonna bat an eye. PL player of the year or not international football is just a different beast.
I personally think Foden is a fabulous player with a lot of class.
Yep, 3rd class. He is a number 10/winger but he isn't the best winger Saka/Gordon etc. do a lot better job than him on the wings. He is a 10 but a number 8 Jude plays better than him at 10.
That says a lot about Phil.
He's a number 10 , but he's not the best 10 in the team. Jude is the best number 10
playing him as a false 9 or a 10 is the best way to utilise him
@@DamianKnox11he is better than any of your penited players
@@pbsuiteno… Bellingham isn’t our best 10, Foden is. The reason Bellingham scored so much for Madrid was because he was the sole central player behind two inverted wingers. More recently, he dropped more deep and shifting to the left. He’s class in midfield and is definitely our best 8, should be played alongside Rice where Jude can advance forward as a ball carrier and occasionally box-crashing.
Foden is a proper 10, he can dribble, carry the ball up pitch, create chances, work in tight spaces. Against Denmark he was our best player when he moved centrally and to the right side of the pitch. It’s best if we play him as the 10 and Bellingham more deeper and have a winger like Gordon on the left.
@@Duddy8822 I think belligham can play deaper to accomodate foden as 10
he's a talented player, but really has played in a pep team basically all of his career. so the transition from that to southgate ball which is much different, will have its impacts
I just feel like southgate isn't the best tactician and its englands fault for not sacking him
we all know England ain't winning the euros
im still waiting for the 'tragic tale of belgium' 🙄
It will come bro
Lakaka.
Like clockwork it must come😂😂😂
@@Vizeh yooo lets goo
@@mitr0785 lukaku has 500 goals so calm down, he is literally their most goalscorer
Foden could play as a LW that moves centrally as a second 10 alongside Bellingham, similar to what he does for City, but you can only do that with a left footed LB to overlap, and the only one of those we called up is injured
@wmyates17 Foden is better on the right
Honestly Foden may just have the same legacy as Paul Scholes when it comes to the National team. The issue here is that, a certain Spaniard called Iniesta, played in the wing many times for Spain specially in the World Cup and he SHINED, so it’s not even a Southgate problem at this point, it’s just Foden being bad for the national team, even Fábregas pointed that out
Nowhere the same system you can't compare a long ball system to a possession system
Exactly. One dimensional Foden against flexible Iniesta. David Silva was another who slotted into various roles for Spain.
@@oldskoolmusicnostalgiathe system played to their tikka tikka needs and hence it worked for them. If the same was applied to Foden, he would shine too.
@@uzairhussain4788why does system need to change for Foden to play well? Other players in the team play possession football and still play well for England.
i mean half of the spanish national team at that time were barca players so its not a fair comparison, the natural chemistry between the players will contribute a lot. and while england do seem to have a lot of chemistry its nothing compared to having players that literally played for the same club. i do think foden should be better, however playing him in every position under the sun definitely doesnt help in making him comfortable with his role in the team. foden just needs to get used to playing in a certain position for england
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In International Football , player with a direct playstyle normally perform better , since there's less time needed to develop the chemistry between them . Foden plays 100 times better than Rashford this season , but Rashford might still play better than him in a National Team .
Yeh i think this is accuate which is why Bellingham peforms the same for England. A lot or Fodens game is a dance with his teammates.
Honestly, I beleive Foden should be played as an attacking midfielder. Bellingham did well as a attacking midfielder/false nine in Real Madrid, but England isn't Real Madrid. England has Kane and doesn't need Belingham to play the position he played in Real. It would be much better for England if they played Bellingham as a box to box midfielder while playing Foden as an attacking midfielder and freeing up the left wing position for a true winger like gordon.
Btw, this isn't about who is a better player between bellingham and foden but rather what fits the team better.
Phil thrives in a team that controls the game and dominates possession. He’s always played under Guardiola, and no other coach. The issue with England is that Southgate is not interested in dominating possession and allows the opposition to control the game in the midfield. Southgate coaches not only different to Pep, but in the complete opposite way. Phil will always be uncomfortable playing in a team without control and possession - like most forwards and midfielders. When he has the ball the other players are not looking for it or moving for him because they are all in position where they are eager to recover quickly if needed
Every single player is a system player technically. Put messi under a defensive manager he becomes in effective. Its all in the coaching because football is a team game at the end of the day. This is what makes Ancelotti the perfect manager, he knows how to fit players in any team any system and gets them to perform.
As a Madrid fan, I’ve been seeing English people shitting on Jude consistently the past 4 months, saying he ghosts, and saying Foden’s clear. Saying foden deserves balon d’or shouts more than him. For me, it’s good to see the narrative shift.
Jude has dropped off a bit and over the last 4 months Foden has been better
@@ManchesterCitySupremacyno he hasn’t, that’s my point. His role changed. His performances have only gotten better. He’s said it himself.
I think that’s why fans need to grow up and just admit that Bellingham and Foden are both fantastic players that each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Foden was terrific against Madrid in the Champions League while Jude struggled a little bit more. Now, on the international stage, Foden is struggling much more. If people looked at these players more objectively instead of emotionally, we wouldn’t have to have half of these stupid conversations lol
@@ManchesterCitySupremacy Bellingham has played with a seriously injured shoulder (injured in November) and ankle (injured February vs Girona), hence his drop in form the second half of the season. He will be getting surgery on his shoulder, asap after the Euros. The kid is a true athlete, still pushing the limits and through the pain.
@@sneakytacos773foden role didn't change? 😂 He's a CAM. Tell me you didn't watch him last season without telling me you didn't watch him 😂
Honestly the Foden situation is so crazy to me. He plays great with City but is absolutely awful for England. Gordon must start tomorrow
Foden will start tomorrow and he should
because he got start at LW… when he should start in the middle
he’s barely played LW in his life..
@@mcfc101this whole left wing stuff is bollocks 😂 he broke into the city team as a left winger and until this season he’d spent the majority of the time on the left and put in good performances. In the last England match he was actually given similar freedom to what he gets at city allowing him to drift infield and find pockets of space between the lines but the problem lies within the fact that the England players fail to pick him out time and time again meaning he drops deeper and deeper to receive the balls in areas he can’t effect the game 👍
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@@Hellothere-ok4pkand now he’s not on the left and much better
If you watch City regularly you know thay Foden is pure class. I think it's more the pressure of playing for England. Throughout sports there are always certain teams that rise and fall under pressure. Unfortunately England is the latter
What pressure is there playing against Iceland in a friendly?R u telling me there’s more pressure playing the likes of Bosnia and Iceland then there is playing United.I can’t remember him having a good game even in pointless friendlies.Drop him and give Gordon or palmer a try
I kinda put it on Southgate. It is tough, you can’t take bellingham or Rice out of their positions, they are just too good at what they do, you need them there. I don’t have the answer for Foden, however Southgate should, as that is his job as the manager of England, and having spent so much time with this squad/Foden. There should be something figured out for him so that he has more than one touch in the box against a not even top 10 team in the Euro’s
I agree bro, to have him in so many different positions 4 years on is just not good enough really, he still has no real idea how to get best out of him
but the thing is mate his job is to get the best out of england not foden - if foden doesn't turn up for england we have many other players who will
@@esseffsee or maybe just make him as a sub for Bellingham? Wouldn't that work as well?
Thats what i was saying but southgate just throws everyone on the pitch caring less about fluidity why is it difficult to bench trent and use him later to rest kyle walker, i'm a liverpool and putting the boy up against those germany,spain,france,and portugal midfields is basically setting him up for failure@@nassahrakim8136
As a City fan, I hope Foden do a Ben White and just ditch England until they have a coach that didnt play dinosaur football in the modern era. At this point, playing for England clearly stunt his development more than it help him. Being shoehorned into a side lacking tactics, played out of position and different position each time, while also taking all the flak from media and rival fans, it cant be good for development. He should've just go on vacation with his family, get some rest physically and mentally, and come back fresh for the new season, ready to learn and improve from the best coach in football history.
Scottish and 100% agree. No reason why a player of his calibre should be stuck with a man who looks like he still eats like the Germans are flying overhead with how dated his non-existent tactics are. Makes Neil Warnock look like Ange Postecoglou in comparison, at least he had a likeable personality. What's likeable about Southgate? Type of bloke to eat unseasoned raw chicken and consider it a gourmet meal. No passion, no fight, no direction. And this is with objectively one of the best current teams in the world right now. Players are the peak of their careers being wasted and looking like shells of themselves. Foden deserves to be sitting in Benidorm munching a chippy and enjoying the high-life instead of this rubbish.
System player is just a buzzword football fans use to downplay a players accomplishments. Haaland…. Trent…. The list goes on and on. I’ve seen few cases where a player is good based only because the system they play in.
It’s always been the case in fairness, I don’t think there is really such thing as a “system player” as in theory any good player is a “system player”
Actually Haaland is the farthest thing I’ve seen from a system player. He would bang in Sunday league and every football fan knows this. He would score in every level of football. They just use the system football talks because they think he lacks in technical ability. Lazy analysis tbh. Haaland scores at the same rate for Salzburg, Dortmund, City and Norway of close enough atleast. All this yapping to say yes it’s just a buzzword
@@paulokogbenin8470True but Haaland looks so one dimensional in Man city unlike his Dortmund days like as if he sacrificed all his footballing abilities for goals.
Can't really blame many English casual fans for it.
Because it's an actual term. Foden drop off Makes ZERO SENSE
honestly sounds ridiculous in a way but i feel like foden should be a super sub for england
This is gonna sound ridiculous but what if we swapped him and saka on the wings? As an arsenal fan it would pain me to see as saka is quality on the right especially for England, however with the lack of a natural left footed overlap on englands left hand side makes me think this could solve it, Southgate will not do it but just imagine this lineup as a bit of fun.
Kane
Saka Bellingham Foden
Rice Trent
Gomez Guehi Stones Walker
Pickford
However in possession stones could step into midfield like he does for city giving us more of a playmaker from deep, Trent can move wide where his crosses can be more effective allowing Jude and foden to play in the middle, creating a 3241 formation that would look something like this. Walker can also overlap if we are seriously chasing a game.
Kane
Saka Bellingham Foden Trent
Rice Stones
Gomez Guehi Walker
Pickford
Then when defending it would look something like this:
Kane Foden
Saka Bellingham Rice Trent
Gomez Guehi Stones Walker
Pickford
Get this sounds absolutely mental and would never happen but just something to think about.
W Gomez shout, Trippier is going to single handily cause some goals I just know it.
@@sneakytacos773 yeah but Walker and Gomez fullback duo is too defensive but since it’s Southgate it will be defensive anyway
Would be better cause Saka started his career as a left back then as a left mid. There are truly no good left wingers for England, Rashford and Sterling are past their prime and I think England have to play with Kane, Saka, Foden and Bellingham in the same team. If Foden plays bad can get Palmer on
Get Trent out of that midfield and put in a proper midfielder than we might have a chance this euros
Sorry mate u gave good tactical insight and a viable solution, means Southgate will never use this. Hala Brexit Ball.
Much love from Africa Viz❤🐐
I think the jury is still out on Foden and whether he's a system player or not. That said, I already know this is going to be a Vizeh banger!
The music choice in this video I LOVEEEE❤
@@Vizeh The jams are jamming so far. Do you usually go with a specific copyright-free playlist when you're editing it or do you plug it in via the stuff RUclips itself offers for copyright-free music?
Every player is a system player, with their own roles that help the team win and play how the manager wants them to
Foden is a extreme example and very reliant on the Guardiola overpowered team and system
@@ps5andstuffhere You could say the same about Henderson being reliant on the overpowered gegenpressing Klopp system, because his greatest ability was his work rate, stamina and leadership. Whilst being a decent/good player
The thing about Messi is no Bellingham could exist that would make Messi need to play a different position, Messi is a player where if you have him, the rest of the team falls into place around him. If you’re not that 1 of 1, you need to be a bit more flexible
True, as evident by Lionel Scaloni's team selection for the World Cup, with pressing machines like Julian Alvarez and Rodrigo De Paul, who help the team regain the ball and then just lay it off to Messi to create.
Honestly though, I don't know how to best deploy Foden in this case, because England's playstyle is not very entertaining and there are too many talented players the coach can utilize as alternatives. Maybe he should be benched honestly.
@@da_gang4life thats what I'm saying bro don't force things just use him as a sub for jude or use a 3 center back system don't use a cdm pivot and play 2 tens adds a whole knew dimension of creativity
Foden's best game for England isnt for the senior team, its his performance in the U17 tournament win
I love Phil foden I think he’s a complete baller. I truly believe he’s amongst the best in the world rn. With all that said I can’t lie Phil completely disappears when he plays for England. I watch England play all the time and I can’t tell you what he does. I hope he can find his stride in the tournament.
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@@Vizeh I hope you get promoted again.
Gareth Southgate plays in such a way that we can’t play with freedom or flair and I think Foden suffers from that massive, imagine if ange or ancelotti had this squad. Cannot wait to get a new manager so we can play the football the whole country knows we’re capable of playing
Ange with this current England squad would be a sight to behold mate!
doesn't always work like that unfortunately hence why capello was so bad for england
@@esseffsee capello was about freedom and flair was he 😂😂 do me a favour , capello is the opposite of freedom and flair 😂 refused to play anything other than a rigid 4-4-2 and if his wide mids dare cut inside he’d lose his mind so not sure what you’re on about fella 🫣
England should play 3 cbs and use two tens and I think they needed a Henderson for this tournament someone who can sit back and is matured enough to dictate the tempo sot of like kroos d
For Germany or a rodri for Spain
@@firstgenerationbillionaire you’re worse than Southgate 😂two 10s and Henderson 🤮🤕🫣
I don’t think people ever genuinely believed Messi was going to struggle against stoke, or any team in particular, the argument was more that the Barca system favoured him greatly, it was a valid statement to make that the bayern munich of the time would have never changed up their system to accommodate messi he would still bag goals but the system wouldn’t have utilised or favoured him to the fullest, essentially he wasn’t going to get 90 calendar year goals in anything but a barca system.
Yeah the thing is, the first time he left Barca heavy possession style system he scored 6 league goals in 34 games for PSG.
Phil Foden is a superb footballer. If you don’t see it then you don’t understand football very well. I think any footballer that works week in week out with the best coach to grace the game is gonna look worse when they go to the England setup and play under Southgate, a far inferior coach to Guardiola in every single aspect. Southgate doesn’t know how to utilise his best players, he doesn’t even know his best starting XI. He is the common denominator. Look at other players, Trent, superb for Liverpool, average at best for England. Saka, superb for Arsenal, half decent for England. Harry Kane, goals & assists galore last season for Bayern, hardly got on the ball vs Serbia. England’s issues reach far beyond Phil Foden and his recent underwhelming performances. Gareth Southgate has consistently failed to deliver in his time as head coach. If you want our elite players to shine, hire an elite coach. It’s that simple.
Vizeh = the Burnley system killer😂
The Brazil Scout clips make me proud
He’s a real Legend
Bro why do England fans love criticizing players when they should be supporting them, that's the only way its gonna come home.
Because everyone in the UK is inherently miserable it's a part of our personality.... Constantly frustrated and fickle when it comes to supporting England.... It's something that unfortunately won't change bud
Fans have nothing to do with whether the team wins, it's such a cope.
Y would u praise a player consistently performing poorly even though he’s the player of the year in the prem.Saka is the one that unjustly gets criticised.Foden deserves to be dropped and give someone else a chance to step up.Foden has had many chances
@@uzaidgurjee4798 nah the problem is Southgate, you could see his fingerprints all over that game, the lack of organization, players in each others positions, and terrible possession keeping. I mean every time the ball was played back to Pickford he would immediately blast it across the pitch and lose possession and he did it so many times that I'm sure those were the instructions he received from Southgate. Foden doesn't need to go, its Southgate.
Come back to this comment after a world class performance from our Stockport Iniesta tomorrow.
Great vid btw love the content.
I hope so too bro, thank you!
People say that he was playing out of position but he wasn’t: he played at 10 in possession like he always does. He had the freedom and the license to go anywhere. He just was not able to demand the ball and get on it enough to make the difference. It’s not about the system. He just had an off game. He played well in the first 15 minutes before England scored. After we scored, we dropped off and didn’t have the ball, meaning that none of our attackers to get on it.
Play Saka on the left, he can and has played there, keep Jude in the 10 and stick Foden in down the right. He can play so much better when his strong foot can send passes and shots inwards. He isnt a crosser, and he doesnt hug the touchline. He will not work down the left as a left footer, especially with a right-footed left back. Stick him down the right, and at least he'll be able to get some of those curling shots away that he scores so many times for City.
who watching after sakas goal against switzerland
Germany have two incredible, young number 10s and have built their whole team around fitting them both in the team in their preferred positions. England have a similar situation with Foden and Bellingham and Southgate is playing Foden at left wing with an overlapping fullback. That’s the difference between a tactically inept manager in Southgate and a world class one in Nagelsmann.
It’s not just Foden, Bernardo Silva also doesn’t perform at his absolute best with Portugal. There’s quite a few examples of modern players that are system players and once taken out of that environment where they were trained day in and day out to do a specific job and certain patterns engrained in their play, they look like a shell of a player they are.
Not his absolute best, he's atrocious.
I've seen almost all of Portugal's games since 2018, he's absolutely atrocious for Portugal
People after Messi broke the goal record for Argentina in 2016:
"He is a system player"
People after Foden delivers zero performances consistently for years at England:
"It's not Foden's fault. Southgate doesn't know how to use him he should be played in the exact same manner at City under Pep"
I am so sick of seeing everyone saying “He can’t play on the left wing”. He absolutely can. Thats not the issue
The qoute is "a jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one". Phil will deliver.
I agree with some of your points, but you cannot compare fodens performances with the national team to Lionel Messi’s before 2020… Messi put in countless great performances for Argentina in the past, the question was when would he stop choking. Foden has been consistently poor for England which is an entirely different situation
Messi didn't score a single goal in 2011 copa. Plus messi is a system player too
@@Miuranger1 Messi has had good and bad tournaments under the same and different managers… foden has literally never had a good tournament for England
This is a recurring problem with England. They think that certain players are too talented to be left out so they shoe horn them into the team. This is not only happening with Foden but Alexander-Arnold as well. They are not the best players in their positions, but they are put in anyway because the are "world-class players"
Exactly. I’m shocked more people aren’t talking about how much of a waste it is to put Trent in midfield the way that Southgate is. You could tell it affected his confidence as well as the confidence of his teammates around him like Rice, who was solid against Serbia but nowhere near the levels he was hitting at Arsenal this season. Southgate needs to be brave enough to bench one of the stars and use more role players who are comfortable in the system that you are playing in. As soon as I saw the England lineup against Serbia, I knew they were gonna struggle with that terrible team balance lol
Same problem with Xavi Simons for the Netherlands but they both have massive potential, that's for sure!
Heyyyyyy I was enjoying the Messi vs Ronaldo part😂
I don't think the take that Messi is a system player is completely unfounded. Definitely not a bad thing. I think his season at PSG shows it.
Phil foden I seen him play live against Newcastle this season(fa cup quarter final)
and holy shit like how can you be that agile and silky with the left foot that he can just release whenever he pleases.
what a player man coming from a man utd fan who's Irish I can admit he's one fresh lil guy
but honestly I hope England get to the final and loose again HAHAHAHHA
England fans don't deserve Phil Foden.
Yeah that fraud should go home 😂😂😂
Watching this video makes me feel I didn’t enjoy Messi’s World Cup win enough
I think this depends on how much England's manager (can't fucking believe that's still Southgate) rates Foden. Bellingham, excluding last season, played most of his career as a CDM/CM, I think a trio of Rice-Bellingham-Foden is very much a valid and balanced option. But that hinges on how well you think Foden can perform as a 10.
And Southgate clearly thinks Bellingham is better at it, which creates quite the issue.
Jack of all trades master of none when he’s a number 10 and master of that 😂😂
Would be interesting to see (in a friendly game): Kane being dropped, Jude playing false 9 (as he does in Madrid), Foden could then take AM and stay on the edge of the box while Saka and other winger (Gordon or lets say Grealish) could touch lines to force width and separate for 1 on 1s. Not saying it would work, not saying dropping Kane to accommodate for Foden is a way to go, but it would be interesting to see.
I’m boutta start calling Foden this generations raumdeuter
Phil Foden is not a system player, he IS the system!
Southgate is to blame for setting the team up the way he does, but Foden should be ashamed with performance. He should of been subbed off. Southgate is squandering the best group of players England has ever had.
To be honest, it all depends on what players you want to focus on, and apparently players like Saka and Bellingham are seen to be more valuable/more needed to be in their best role
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What’s good bro!
It’s still crazy to me that people think he CAN’T play well as a winger, considering he’s played very well as a winger for City on multiple occasions. He scored a hat trick against United as a winger.
because hes not being played as an out and out winger. He can play as rw false 9 10 etc but only outside peps systems and for pep he can play lw because hes either on touchline duty or he plays purely centrally and on paper hes just tlw
This isn't 1994 anymore pal. Position don't mean sh*t anymore in football. Roles matter. When Saka plays RW he plays in a different way staying wide going 1v1 but when Foden plays he drifts inside freely everywhere between the lines.
@@fishyfish6510exactly, I can't believe noone else has this. Foden can play well for England even as a LW bc when he comes central, we saw saka find him in those pockets of space that he's really effective in (in the Denmark game). Those were the moments where he took shots with his left foot on the edge of the box that we see him take for city. If saka and foden build up a bit more chemistry I guarantee foden will start to perform for england
The difference is Messi was never just under one manager at Barca and performed for lots of different ones and even had arguably his best season in 18/19 with a poor Barca team. Also, if managers tried to accommodate Messi, you could understand it given who he is. 😂
tbh i think this is more so on sg not having a proper 11 or system down yet dudes only job is to figure out a way to get the best out of his talents look at a guy like nagelsmann and how he's fit gundo, writz, muisala all into one starting eleven and how each is thriving but thats the difference between a proper manager and southgate. However shouldn't excuse foden for not thriving as well he looks often times scared in a england shirt he needs to find that confidence himself and play at the level we've seen him play at with city
Sterling looked very good as well i think its style and midfield creativity because imo foden is good but like i get good on great team average when he doesn't have a world starting team for behind
Its down to Gareth Southgate really. Lets be honest as good as he might be at be at motivating players and keeping a good squad morale, he isnt a tactically astute coach. Look at Germany with Musiala and Wirtz, everyone thought they will have the same issue as bellingham and foden but naggelsmann being an excellent coach created a system for both of them to thrive in, without dropping other key players and having a good balance.
He has no tactical awareness. He’s only got the job because he’s mates with the LMA
England fans would casually throw every player under the bus to protect Southgate and it is pathetic. This coach can never win anything, his side almost always lose when facing a top side
@@ammarbaagu really? I’m an England fan and every bad performance I blame on Southgate
There's a video on the stat map from Englands game which shows Foden isn't receiving ball, he has no back up from Trippier if he does get it and Trippier only made one forward pass in the attacking zone all game. On top of that Jude is constantly in the left central spaces that Phil wants to be in if he's playing on the left. His movement off the ball was good but he wasn't being found. I don't see the perspective of Phil being this all around player that can do everything, he'll execute a give and go rather than dribble 95% of the time. I think you could actually make the argument that Jude is more well rounded than Phil which is why you can also argue that Jude should be positioned beside Rice with Phil in the number 10 role. I don't think it will happen but if they gave it a go at the Euros then you would probably see Foden shine, or if they gave the lad a pass or two with a qualified left back supporting. Bellingham has always been central, he can make a strong tackle, I don't think his output would be dampened in the same way Foden's is when his position is changed.
Chippies, soups and cakes are all nice; but a dense chef will just squash them all together and goes: “It must be very nice!”
Ironically Foden has become good enough that systems will have to be built around him
awesome video lad
Cheers mate!
Foden is a good player in the middle, not on the left
Thats why he was so good for City in the run in.
This is just a case of too much options at the buffet. Remember when england were forcing gerrard, lampard and scholes. They were shoving lampard on the left, putting scholes deep and it just backfired. Gareth southgate is just shoving him in the squad because he is exceptional. But he’s not good on the left, he needs to be in the middle. Its just unfortunate that foden and jude are the two most important players on the team and they play in the same position
But hey, this is just my years of playing football manager speaking
The main problem for Foden is Southgate is a championship manager
Foden, the prime example of Guardiola's modern football terrorism.
In the Belgium friendly he wasn't as bad, he also played on the left but had Chilwell as the left back and I remember him having good interchanges with Maino. But the problem is, most fans are more interested in seeing their favourite players than England having a balanced team.
Foden is like Scholes - in that he’ll never be good for England because he honestly doesn’t care enough to try for us, he loves City far more than he likes us
Time for Gareth to do a Sven and drop him, I’d rather Gordon and I’m a Liverpool supporter…
It’s funny cuz I read it the opposite way. I think he cares too much about performing for England because he knows he’s the one with a target on his back. That’s why he can look good until he makes a mistake and then his confidence is shot and he gets worse and worse.
I agree that dropping him could be a good solution if Southgate can’t find a way to incorporate him. But to say he doesn’t care about England is a bit unfair and disrespectful, don’t you think?
The same Scholes that was also shoehorned onto the left which isn’t the favoured position? Biggest is your boy Trent who can’t press, leaves his midfield man with 10 yards of space with no awareness. Should be nowhere near the squad
Foden and Bellingham is the modern day Gerrard and Lampard England conundrum
Don’t forget Scholes! He was put as a LM for England
England need to make players fight for their place like prime Spain or the players gotta learn to adapt
not really. Foden is a 10 bellingham is a 10 on paper but plays like an 8 and people think hes this creative genius.
Add in Palmer and so it was the battle of number 8s (Scholes Gerrard Lampard) and now it's the battle of number 10s (Foden Bellingham Palmer) 😂
@@gr3saeyend the similarity is not necessarily position but how England try to fit in every star player at the cost of team balance
England need to find him in the half spaces and pick out those passes that will allow him to use his agility and balance to turn and move forwards in areas he can actually make a difference, but the midfield behind him makes that difficult as rice doesn’t see those passes which is fair enough as that isn’t his game, whilst whoever plays next to him whether usually doesn’t which is why I’d play Adam Wharton next to rice as he’s probably the perfect technically gifted deep playmaker that England need to help progress the ball better and I guarentee he’ll be the one to pick those passes out to foden.
Rice made 1 progressive pass the whole game and it was a misplaced pass. All sideways pass from a pivot is pathetic tbh. literally taking zero risk
The problem with Foden is, he doesnt make enough runs, meaning he is better suited to being a CAM, but for England, Bellingham goes there, and does an outstanding job
Meaning Foden is shoved onto the wing's, and isnt as effective as Saka, coz he doesn't make those runs down the wing, trying to beat the offside trap, like Saka does
With Southgate’s system you need players who can run in behind once they park the bus. Kane, Foden and Saka (even though he has the pace) don’t play that way. Which is why, for all his shortcomings, Rashford is still the best fit at LW for this team. Bc Gareth likes to do the one thing he is best at
it might be dumb to say england could play 4-5-1 where he play cam alongside jude kane as striker sakas as rm and gordon as lm and rice in cm .
They should do a Wildcard system for Foden to play his original position in the game!!
The issue is Pep Guardiola developed him into the pefect Pep Guardiola 10, not the perfect footballer. With England he struggles. There's also that issue where he isn't Messi, he's not the best player in the world, that's Jude Bellingham who also plays for England. You then have Saka who is 2 age groups behind Foden already with 10+ goals for England making his debut just shortly after Foden and also hitting similar numbers every season. You then also look at Trent, just a little older than Foden another world class player who's been one of the best right backs itw since his breakthrough season. England have so much world class talent so trying to build around a player that hasn't performed consistently in any position for England is just stupid. You focus on those other world class young talents (+Kane and Rice) who have proven it consistently. Some players are better for their nation than club and some are better for club than nation. It's always more about the setup and this setup doesn't fit Phil Foden and Southgate shouldn't be bullied into doing it.
I'm also not having it from City fans that Foden's best position is 10, it's Pep Guardiola's 10 position he's best in. He's never performed in midfield
Trent has the same problem as Foden. He’s being played out of position by Southgate
@@ManchesterCitySupremacy but he plays well "out of position". He plays CM because his best attributes fit that position more than a right back.
System players don't do well at international level where flexibility matters more. Nearly all of the City players that have been programmed by Guardiola are struggling at the Euros.
I don't see why England couldn't just use Arsenal's system. Bellingham can play the false 9 role that Havertz plays, Foden can do the Odegaard role and link up with Walker and Saka, Rice at the base... Like how doesn't that just work really well?
Foden is really good playing b/w the lines can turn effectively..the things hes not good at is getting in behind runs which England need from the left winger
I’m sure Foden will do fine at the EUROS, everyone has some quiet games
I hope he starts tomorrow bro!
@@VizehSame but only because I want England to lose.
Haish, I bet he does poorly.
I strongly belive Foden would be in a top 3 ballondor debate if he played for Liverpool instead of City .
In my country (Netherlands), we have a football journalist calling Southgate a swindler, or faker.
It is a jokey comment, but what he means is that Southgate doesn't make choices to actually improve England's squad, but just picks all the star players to make the media and squad happy.
It is stuff like Foden on LW or TAA on CDM. Both won't work.
But then Southgate has to bench Foden or Saka, and bench TAA, etc.
I mean, the Netherlands has a similar problem with defenders.
We practically have the two best right wing-backs in the world.
And so, Koeman improvised with Frimpong on a Right-Winger position... but he practically has the same role.
he is the 3rd best english RW in the prem
System player is crazy he is the most talented English football player itw.
Thata debatable
Watch the whole video before u start commenting about a clearly rage bait title 🤣🤣🤣
We don’t know YET what he can do besides under Guardiola for club football. Country he’s 35 games 4 goal contributions. Just saying
He is, which makes it so frustrating
He literally compared him to messi and how messi was called a system player back in the day so I don’t think he’s arguing the fact he’s the best English football player itw rn but he’s arguing about how he’s being called a system player right now for certain reasons.
The Stockport Messi, only City player I really respect
Nice one Nonce!
@@VizehI see you finally got used to my name😂
@@Vizeh wait what 😂
Love the videos you and HITC have the best takes, it's unpopular but I would start Gordon next game ahead of Foden. I feel this is Paul Scholes all over again just play a less gifted player who actually plays that position. When England has done that in the past and it often works Maquire great example and Heskey often did a great job for England over flashier more talented CF. Even Vassel often shined under Sven the odd chances he got to play for England.
bro just literally described a system player and said i dont think he is a system player, foden can only work in extremely possession based systems, and thats it.
I have seen many English players not performing for their country. Foden is just one player in the long line of England's underachievers