Why The Gold Cloaks Will Never Betray Daemon Targaryen
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2023
- Did you know in the books the Gold Cloaks of King's Landing will always be loyal to Daemon Targaryen? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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Daemon got major street cred. He truly was lord of Fleebottom.
Yup. Prince Of The City. Sure wish Daemon and his Gold Cloaks would clean up a few cities here, like Chicago, San Francisco, LA, NYC, St Louis, Portland, etc.
@@nathannguyen5063it has nothing to do with race, it’s a class issue. I grew up in Mississippi where everyone is poor, black and white.
@@tay6900 I specifically never said it was abt race.
@@nathannguyen5063bro, you named 3 races and one racialized nationality. You cant be like 'spaghetti ravioli fettuccine' and someone says its not just pasta and then you say i specifically never said it was about pasta.
@@zachshack9690😂
Loyalty is not bought, it's earned
Janos Slynt: *its free real estate*
Pretorian Guards would disagree
@@13141Scottnot much of a point coming from literal worse bodyguards in history.
Better example is Varengian guard. You paid them, they were always loyal to you until the contact expired.
Prince Daemon nurtured his investment over many years. Ser Otto attempted to pay a single bribe to steal that investment and it blew up in his face.
@@michasalamon8315 The Varengian Guard was very loyal for the duration tho, said to die for their Emperor.
Before Daemon was in charge, being a member of the city watch was seen as as bad as joining the Night's Watch, but with worse weapons and army. Daemon gave them pride, armed them like soldiers, and gave them their own uniforms. Even Daemon's detractors claim he's probably the best Lord Commander they ever had.
Taking the black and joining the wall was a respectable honor amongst 2nd sons. The 1st son was the heir and held the highest of honor amongst their house. The 2nd son was just as honorable and would show it buy protecting the people of Westeros. It’s why Jon Snow chose the black.
@pvthurley Actually, I believe that would be 3rd sons because 2nd sons still have a chance to inherit if the firstborn dies, thus making them more valuable in marriage alliances.
@@benhouston5975 only if the 1st son had no children. 2nd sons where treated differently. Northerners were different. Southerners 2nd sons were often treated as cup bearers and a squire.
At the time of the dance, the nights watch was still considered honourable.
Basically Daemon would make a better king than his brother
"When I first took command of the city watch you were stray mongrels, starving and undisciplined, now look at you, A PACK OF HOUNDS!!!"
"Sated, honed for the hunt!!!"
AOOOHH!!!
Ok fine I rewatch house of the dragon
My brother’s city has fallen into squalor. Crime of every breed has been allowed to thrive. No longer, beginning tonight Kingslanding will learn to fear the colour gold
RRRRAAAAHHHH
Luthor said that no matter how you turn them the cloak is still gold
My man said my honor isn't for sale, it's already paid for in gold...
@@hokagedlo6133bars
Lex is truly smart
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@@BeardedWolfKingyea😂😂
So basically, power of friendship and being a good boss
Loyalty earned
Treat your men like men, fight beside them, and take risks with them, and they'll stick with you. Helped that he made them very much able at their jobs as the city's police force with personal loyalty to him alone.
basically, soldiers loyalty belong no one but their commander
Bosses tell people what to do from the comfort of their offices
Leaders get their hands dirty along with their underlings
Sounds like alexender the great
Otto is lucky they didn’t kill him.
Well they tried to, remember Aegon's coronation? They intentionally close the door 😂
@@hasyrilnurzahra3161 love them for that 😆
Holy shit😂
@@hasyrilnurzahra3161I enjoyed that immensely 😂😂
@@hasyrilnurzahra3161 No I think they did that to intimidate the peasants.
They aren’t turncloaks because they are gold either way you turn them.
Well...
I think Ned Stark would disagree
@@SantomPhthe gold cloaks never betrayed Ned. The Gold Cloaks where loyal to Littlefinger. No Littlefinger did betray Ned but the City watch where just doing what they were paid to do.
@@BrawnyStreamNo they were loyal to the highest bidder and the side they thought was going to win. Like any standing army in a medieval setting they basically functioned like a mercenary company. It's easy to see the winner of the battle when it's 6 dragons to 0. The City watch is supposed to keep the king's peace and they blatantly disregarded the king's command and his protector of the realm Ned Stark.
@@BrawnyStreamDude that posted just before ke has the way of it, the king's, Robert Baratheon, decree was that Ned Stark would ascend from Hand of the King to Regent. He wasbto rule the realm until his son became and could take the throne, which was still years away. The King/King's Regent nominates and selects the Commander of the City Watch. A placeholder of sorts, or ,more accurately, a representation of the King's will and desires, acting on the King's commands while holding the everyday task of maintaining peace in the city.
Littlefinger and the City Watch were all aware of the letter from the king, the king's desire for Ned to take the throne, and the fact that turning on Ned was synonymous with treason to crown and king. If they had any doubt, when Barristan Selmy announced the letter was amidst the King's letterhead, in the King's hand, and completed with the King's seal. Coming from Barristan Selmy, the greatest sword for generations, the Lord Commander of the King's Guard, and known to be one of the most noble and honest men in the Seven Kingdoms, this fact is beyond reproach.
The Gold Cloaks were treasonous, backstabbing, treacherous traitors.
Daemon literally cleaned the city overnight by cutting off the hands of thieves, beheading the murderers and castrating the rapists.
But just like today, elected leaders don't want the problems to get solved. It just exposes that there are problems, and that the leaders don't solve them.. They'd rather cover up the issues and address the symptoms than to just get it over with and fix the problem.
@@ShorlanTanzolmao elected leaders can’t sanction shit like that
@@Theeeabstractcan and wouldve gotten the support of the people arround. Problem is, elected clowns are getting the support of wealthy clowns. It is essentially an agreement, I give you millions for your campaign and you let me fuck the country youll be ruling. If a clown is elected solely because of the money of another clown, sure thing he wouldnt even try to change anything because he's covered in shit from the very start of his political career.
@@ShorlanTanzobecause the elected leaders commit even worse crimes daily 😂
I loved that episode and people were saying he was doing a bad thing I would disagree with how bad crime in fleabottom was at that time at all time high
Daemon could ever not stop being cool
He did in my book when he killed his wife.
@@m.williams4971 as a lawyer I say that you have no proof against my client
@@m.williams4971A wife he was forced to marry. A wife he wad not allowed to divorce. She was horrible to him and so were her people. They disrespected him and looked down on him just like all the other high lords. You can't blame him for what he did. You are too simple minded.
George just loves him man 😆😆😆
@@zub41r75ah yes, so that justifies murdering your wife.
Makes sense Daemon made them what they were. Trained them, gave them a chance.
Even though he was a prince, which was a higher power than any lord, fought with them, drank with with them, laughed with them and always helped them. Daemon became one of them and they took him as one of their own.
Tonight, King's Landing will learn to fear the color gold."
Now whole Westeros fears Daemon's smirk
One cannot simply bribe the employees of a good boss who paid well and treated them with respect.
Daemon was a prince who enjoyed hanging out with Westeros peasants like the people of flea bottom. So it makes sense the gold cloaks that are all former peasants and now well paid, respectable and feared throughout Kings Landing are all extremely loyal to Daemon.
Yeah, people seem to ignore this. Daemon was never one of those "eww-icky" noblemen. He gets a long with common people.
Not really related, but it's a bit weird and funny that he really looks like a Slytherin from Harry Potter
@@VitchAndVortywhich is why we see so many libs hating on him
@@Hell_O7I think you mean a Malfoy. Cause there are Slytherins who didn't have this silvery blond hair like Lucius and Draco Malfoy have.
"In the books" which books, I do not remember this?
"Daemon gave us these cloaks, and they're gold no matter how you turn them"
Otto was really an asshole, ha? He looked down on these knights yet he advised that they should put Daemon in command. No wonder Daemon hated him so much, the man tried to humiliate him with this position. This is how highly Otto take himself compared to Daemon who was that time the ‘rightful heir of the throne’. Arrogant as hell. I bet he regreted this later 😂
to be fair to Otto, Daemon was a force of chaos who used his status like a club. Even if it was for political reasons and for selfish reasons ,Otto sending him away to the Vale and then the Watch kept him away from his impressionable brother Viserys and out of trouble. Daemon could have been the first Daemon Blackfyre (who is named after him) despite his protestations of loyalty. He also sired two sons to Viserys' three so a parallel branch of the line would have been a threat to Otto's ambitions.
@SantomPh Otto was afraid of D as Otto wanted the throne D would have stopped him had V actually been a better brother and not so easily swayed by Ottos opinions / self interest.
@@SantomPh to Otto, Daemon was someone he knew he could never control. That was his only problem with him.
I hope the show gives Daemon the chance to excute him .
For all his grandstanding he just wanted power for himself too. His worries about Daemon definitely had merits but he was little better.
I cant disconnect Matt Smith from The Doctor. Which says a lot more about me than about his great acting chops.
Same and Graham McTavish will always be that guy from Outlander
For me is the opposite, I can only see Matt Smith as Daemon Targaryen.
@@lesedavina1067 guess it depends on which show you watched first?
@@johanna6924McTavish will always be Dwalin for me hahah
@@retro.raider omg o.o I completly forgot He was Dwalin... 🤌 This man.
Damon never forgot the men who served him, and appreciate their sacrifice and loyalty whereas some other high lord would expect sacrifice and loyalty due to their birth
A man who makes you worth something will always have your loyalty respect gratitude and love
I kinda hate how they portrayed Daemon in the show as more of a Villain, in the books his straight up an Anti-Hero, his Morality is Gray while Rhaenyra turns into more of a monster in the books.
The book is ritten by a maester from 3 unreliable narrators.
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Good point tho.
Daemon's actions are far from heroic at times, though his valor in combat is not to be questioned. He was also an excellent commander of the Goldcloaks, despite the rise in executions and amputations under his watch.
Daemon is an agent of chaos , hence his name Rogue Prince. He loves his family but cannot settle, even with Rhaeneyra ,and has several affairs. If Viserys had no sign of the madness of the Targaryens Daemon was lurching that way. Rhaeneyra ,without Daemon becomes a ruler without a conscience or good advice and ultimately creates chaos herself by inaction.
❤❤❤
True , he was a hero to some and a villain to others
No matter how much they try to portray Daemon as a mad man in the show, he has some serious abilities in the books.
Agreed top 10 best characters in GOT universe.
I think being a little crazy is how he gets stuff done.
Oh, he is certainly a dangerous man who can lose it, but he's not "mad" like so many other targaryens. He knows exactly what he is doing. He just goes overboard sometimes from excitement and bloodlust.
@@brandocalrissian3294 Sounds _tentively_ close to madness, but I guess he's not delusional at least. *What Aerys Targaryen became later in life...*
"Daemon gave us these cloaks, and they're gold whichever way you turn them." - Ser Luthor Largent
House of the Dragon had better include that legendary line...
Theres so many bad ass lines during the dance, i hope we get all of em.
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@@videobooks3 Much appreciated 🙏🏼
Otto got a brutal lesson in respect and loyalty, never underestimate or write off the love and loyalty that is inspired in men, when you give them a purpose that they can be proud of for the rest of their lives.
Daemon Targaryen was such an enormous character in the books. Very calculating and slow to strike but makes a major impact when he does.
He never looked down on them and raised them to a position of respect, ppl don't forget something like that.
Daemon is actually a real bleeding heart and the way he interacted with the gold cloaks is one great example. I think people will really overlook this quality because of how roguish he can be and how in certain situations he seems to be willing to do anything - but nuance IS there and I think that’s part of what makes his character so exciting for me.
George just couldn't make Daemon any cooler lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Dude got the streets as well
Can't wait to see Daemon on Caraxes and Rhaenyra on Syrax when they take King's Landing.
Daemon had them disciplined , the attitude of Sir Harrold shows their loyalty in episode nine
Daemon the man that keeps his promises
Prince of the City for a reason
Very smart on Daemon’s part. Keep 5000 warriors on your side so that all you need do is arrive and they turn back to him, after being sleepers and spies for him in his absence. Reward a man who doesn’t expect it, and he’s yours through respect.
During the Dance of the Dragons, the Goldcloaks are the 501st of King's Landing and Daemon Targaryen was their Darth Vader. They were his armored fist.
_Beautiful analogy._ 👌
I don't think it's a matter of the Lords looking down on them, rather that they weren't impressed with their work, considering the rate of crime was still high. Even Corlys, a VERY high Lord himself, gives them credit when due, after they've scared the criminal element.
Corlys's appreciation was after Daemon's involvement dude. Before Daemon, the Gold Cloaks didn't have enough power to do stuffs like that to begin with lol... Hence why...
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Yes, after they were reformed and properly engaging crime. He didn't necessarily look down on them, he just noted their new tactics were sound
Say what you want about daemon, he takes care of his men.
All hail the Prince Daemon
And we went from Daemon to Janos Slynt. Things really went down the drain after a while, uh
That kind of loyalty is almost impossible to come by these days
Well shit daemon is even more of a badass than i previous thought which he was already a badass in my eyes. So this is the history of the rise of the gold cloaks. You see them in GoT, and ser barristan when he was forcibly and humiliatingly laughed at for him to retire.
Most militia or mercenaries starts as good guys and ends up corrupted after they tasted power.
Barristan was a white cloak/kings guard
@@NotHere07Lannisters had at least 20 years to twist them into whom they became, not hard after so long.
those were the Kingsguard who laughed at him, the goldcloaks are in the city.
@@SantomPhthey were there in the scene too, next to Janos slynt when he laughs at barristan
If I was a in A Song of Ice and Fire's world the last familes I would make a deal with would be literally any family from the Reach, maybe the Tarlys at a stretch but the entire kingdom is covered in beautiful flowers covered in deadly thorns.
the Reach have both the strongest single army of knights and men at arms , a navy to rival the royal fleet and the wealth to provide for them. It would be folly to ignore them.
it's worth noting that several Reach houses actually sided against the greens, including House Tarly and House Beesbury, while House Peake kept on sponsoring rebellions well into Maekar's reign (three generations after HoTD).
Oddly enough, apart from Blackwater Bay anyone who sides with the Reach tends to lose.
Daemon is an oddly good leader let's be honest.
Deamon is a good general. However good generals are not always good kings. We saw this with Robert
I suppose that's the greatest strength and weakness of the Gold Cloaks
Some cases, they're loyal no matter what, which may or may not be the best for the city (or the Realm) in some cases.
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Alright then, u can Tell me here now, Did u understood the Valyrian Dragonlord concept or not??.
Tell me whether or not, my patience and effor has gone in vain or not???
the goldcloaks are supposed to be the law enforcement of King's Landing and obeying only the king and his Master of Laws. It always depends on who the ruler is, and who their Hand is. Tyrion led them in the defense of King's Landing during Blackwater and by all accounts they did well. Janos Slynt however allowed them to rot from the inside due to his own corruption.
@@dineshbalu6107it’s always in vain dude. This is a RUclips shorts comment section you think anyone actually cares ?!
@@BrawnyStream I get u bro. But this is complicated, we have history for the last 6 months. We've already had more than 10 conversations before...
@@dineshbalu6107 lmao
Something about this is so heartwarming! Loyalty is awesome.
"A man without friends is a man without power."
- Renly Baratheon
In the book it’s so much cooler because Ser Luther gets called a turn cloak and he says “Daemon gave us these cloaks and they’re gold no matter which way you turn it.”
I've been meaning to rewatch season one of House of the Dragon, this is a sign I should.
This is another reason why Daemon is the best
Are people like you are into Ted Bundy too?
@@LSG101097Is equating someone who enjoys a superbly written character for the purposes of entertainment -- to that of someone worshipping a real life serial killer with real victims -- really a statement to be proud of?
A genuine, if somewhat rhetorical, question. Because to me it reads as little more than performative high-horsing and an inflated sense of superiority.
First Episopde with Daemon: Man, fuck this guy...
Season Finale with Daemon: ROD MF!!!
rod?
@@GhANeC Ride or die
Man was always my favourite character start to finish
@@michaelrooney3133 cheers
Daemon is the best character in asoiaf George said so himself, from his first minute on screen to his last he was perfect, I seriously would of liked to see him and Tywin Lannister have a conversation
Daemon is the reason that the greens are even trying to bribe them in the first place because he made them a force that need to be loyal.
He gave them what they wanted the most.....respect
Just like a space marine sees his primark as his father so the Gold cloaks see him as their father.
Daemon riding a big ass dragon over kings landing
Goldcloacks: yeah, loyalty, cloacks, Daemon is GOAT.
‘Daemon gave us these cloaks, and they’re gold no matter how you turn them’
Loyalty is its own reward
I don't care what universe I'm in, loyalty is always the greatest and most hard earned treasure to be had.
As seen many times throughout history such as Rome, soldiers aren’t loyal to politicians or “high borns”. They’re loyal to their general and commanders.
It’s kind of hard to call someone traitor when they we’re never on your side to begin with
I cant wait for season 2. I thought seasone one last episode would include what i want to see but i have to wait for season two. You book readers know what im talking about
B and C
It has to happen s2 ep 1 or 2.
U mean blood and cheese?
@@grandmabecky7984 yes. But that would be a spoiler because the moment nonbook readers hear the name before anything happens they will guess that the plan will succeed
@@FormerGovernmentHuman hopefully ep one
He earned loyalty through his men
Matt Smith CRUSHED this role.
I just want season 2 already!!!! I wanna watch dragons fighting!!! And I wanna watch deamon be a beast!!!!
The "So" at the end of this Video made Me think, "So go take a long hike off a short Pier there Loyalty CAN'T be bought". 😂😋
Our Daemo is a MuthaFuckin' G!!!!
Deamon was truly worthy of his name.
Joffrey wanted a proffessional standing army.
He should've realized all he had to do was behead Janos Slynt and knock the rust off his city guard.
cant wait to see this unfold next season
Daemon is the dude from the hood who makes it big & comes back & buys everyone Uzis 😂
I hope season 2 shows some reflection of this
I love when loyalty shines thru.
Cant buy loyalty. You earn it. Lets go team black!
there a military saying treat your soldiers like your own sons and they will follow you anywhere.
Daemon gaved them purpose and pride, no money can buy that
Daemon, despite his dark demeanor at times, really uphold the word Honor
The Hightowers had money but Deamon had the medieval equivalent of a tactical nuke.
”Daemon gave us these cloaks,” he said, “and they’re gold no matter how you turn them.”
''he gave us these cloaks and they've not forgotten''
Unllike one single person whose loyalty's disappeared into the wind and hold a grudge on the one who gave him his cloak and make her life hard out of jealousy and hypocrisy.
Coulda used these guys when Stannis came across the Blackwater lol.
I really hope that they keep this in the series, because that would be brilliant to see!! they do mention the city watch when discussing aegons traitorous succession to the throne. I think Otto mentioned that they replaced the captains that were still loyal to daemon. So it’ll be interesting to see if they take it out or not 🤔
Daemon is the younger brother you need to have to run a kingdom
Their cloaks are already gold, they don’t want anymore
Never underestimate the power of loyalty.
I see Daemon short.
I click Daemon short.
In the book SOON AS the blacks pulled up on kings landing the Gold cloaks IMMEDIATELY started killing greens!!😂😂😂😂
I love daemon ❤
Cesar would aprove this
“The Based Prince.”
I once had a good boss like this.. it's hard to forgot what he did for me.. I was so young.. n he helped me a lot
The north should learn.. how to actually "remember"...😂
I would love to see a moment in the show that mirrors the Gold Cloaks scene in season 01 of GoT, except reversed. They build it up that it seems like the Gold Cloaks have been bought and paid for, only for that last minute swerve to show it was loyalty this time around that wins the day. It’d be a cool parallel.
Daemon really deserved be all the time near his brother. Not that snake Otto.
I mean if they betrayed the greens when Daemon arrived on a dragon, that doesn't prove their loyalty. They could be sympathetic towards him, but I guess any man would switch sides when there is a dragon present. It would be better if in the books or show, they resisted the coronation of Aegon or at least desert their posts when coronation started.
They did - at the Coronation, they tried to close the doors and trap the Greens in the dragon pit with the mob of smallfolk, Meleys and Rhaenys. Let the chaos do the killing
Promises are worthless. Only actions matter.
Turncloaks!
Prince Daemon gave us these cloaks. And they're gold no matter how you turn them.
Daemon knew how to treat his loyal soldiers.
I love When says “YOU ARE A PACK OF HOUNDs”!
Daemon would have been such a successful king. Rules by fear but not sadistic, good to the ones serving him and with loyal followers
That’s definitely not true he was violent, undiplomatic, perverse and had little to no self control these are horrible traits for a king to have.
@@jaijoerik6233 True. But unlike a certain golden haired child king, Daemon had at least some redeeming qualities. 😅
That kind of loyalty is so rare in real life, whether back when it was medieval times like house of dragons is all the way up to the modern times we live in.
You can say a lot about daemon. But that first scene with him and his gold cloaks is utterly incredible and I love watching it.