Sovereign Cornet Comparison - BE921 vs BE928
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
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I like it ! A thing that I like a lot about your channel is the varied content!
Intrested so keep on rocking💪
“It has L-B on it for lightbulb ... or large bore.”
Thanks, Professor Hamilton. Here in the USA the cornet has all but died, it seems to me. But I love it. Your playing of these Sovereigns reminds me of how beautiful the cornet can sound. Bravo.
I have the Newer Sovereign cornet and I love it. I used to play an old Boosey and hawks Sovereign and my Besson I feel is such a step up for me as a player. The valves feel so smooth and very rarely require lubrication just a great all round instrument. Also Trent I do really enjoy this style of video.
I scored a round stamp on ebay from England about 5 years ago - like new. - best cornet I've every had - still use it. I believe it has a "rose brass" bell? Certainly has a deep dark sound.
This was excellent. I still have a Sov i bought in 1985. It appears to be a hybrid between the 921 and 928. It has the 921 water keys exactly as you showed. It also has the 921 valves. However it has the centrally located first slide trigger. But it has text as you describe for the 928 (Besson) and doesn't have the round stamp. It also has the pinky hook instead of a ring. And to further add to the mystery, it has 921 in front of the serial number. I checked the SN and found it was indeed manufactured as a 921 in 1985 (the year i bought it from a company in Houston, Texas). So there seems to be some mystery as to why it has characteristics of both the older 921 and newer 928. Anyway thanks much for you terrific videos. Please keep them coming.
I think we need to see the new improved 6 valve trumpet.
I would like to see more Cornet compare and contrast videos.
I bought a Sov 921 in 1985 which was when B & H brand was morphing into Besson. So mine is probably something of a hybrid. It doesn't have the round stamp but has the same logo your 928 has on the bell. But mine has 921 stamped on it after the serial number. Some other differences too like it has the pinky hook instead of the ring. Was a great cornet during the years I played it. Keep your excellent videos coming please
HI Trent, I have owned and played all over the world, one of the original medium bore Sovereign Cornets since March 1973. It is in as good a condition as when I bought it in Aldershot as a military bandsman for 173.75 Pounds Sterling. Oh that was a lot of money when you were only paid 5 Pounds a week. The unique selling point B&H quoted was the valves are Monel. ( Copper Nickel alloy for those who don't know). Its a wonderful cornet and I'm still sentimentally attached after playing it for nearly 50 years. The triggers are not quite the same as you have shown on your earlier Boosey Sovereign. But no doubt they were improving designs all the time. Don Barker Whangarei
I highly encourage you to try to get your hands on a Kanstul 3-valve G soprano bugle and see how it plays. I know you’ve reviewed the 2-valve Dynasty in a past video, but I’d love to see a review of the Kanstul 3-valve, as they’ve historically made much higher quality G bugles than other makers (and in fact they’re the only company still producing them at present, so you could probably get one brand new if you have ~$1100 USD.)
At 0:27, On the one hand, ... On the two hand! Hilarious. I'll use this from now on.
Love the Video mate, I would love to see you do a comparison between the round stamp and modern Sov Eb or BBb tubas.
I used to play a modern Sov Eb tuba then switched to the older round stamp Sov Eb which i find better all round than the modern Sov's.
Would be great to see your take on it ;)
Good stuff Trent keep em coming, can you compare various euphoniums I think that would be interesting as there are so many variations, good to see you're fit enough to upload as well
Loved this vid, would like it if you could continue this as a series :D
NICE PLAYING TRENT. SOUNDS LIKE YOURE AN OLD SCHOOL BRASS BANDER. I WISH WE HAD MORE OF THEM HERE ACROSS THE POND
Used to play a sov928 cornet (40 years old) and then moved to a sov928gt (new) yet preferred the older one. Would love a comparison!
Once again a nice video ! keep up the good work !
I’ve actually played both variants of the Besson Sovereign. My daily driver is the newer sovereign and I absolutely love it but I have to sag the old one was very nice to play but didn’t have the same kind of resonance and tone of the older one isn’t as good as the newer one but I adore both
Good video. I'd be interested to hear the years of manufacture in a comparison. (The newer horn seemed more focused maybe less texture to its sound.) Your face seemed more relaxed. I hope this is a sign you're healing and more comfortable.
Good video Trent!
I liked the video very much! Definitely do more of them
Perhaps one day I'll finally treat myself to a Sovereign. If that ever happens, it would be invaluable to have comparisons such as this. I have a bit of a love for vintage instruments so it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility that I'd actively seek out old-guard models in preference to contemporary instruments. First though, I need to develop enough talent to be able to do either choice justice, as you clearly do.
Trent. Liam. Big Liam. You know the one. I watched this. Thanks.
Love the content! Keep it up!
comparison of sound would be useful too. Note that the plating quality was far superior on the early model. The early model is usually called the "globe stamped" model in the UK rather than "round stamped". Thank you for sharing :)
Not in all of the uk. We would know it as a 'round stamp'.
Ah, the barber shop tag but instead of trombones in A flat it is cornets in E flat. I love it
Interesting video, always fun comparing old to new. They sound pretty much the same, but I think I hear them project the sound slightly differently. Any difference in the dimensions of the bell? Or maybe it's just due to aging?
Absolutely interested, and if possible, do a similar video with Euphoniums! keep up the good work!!
The older model seems to also have a rounder tone. But that could be cause by the increased resistance
Your tonguing is so good
Trent gave you ever experimented changing the mouthpiece receiver to a trumpet receiver and utilize various depth of cups. Just curious as I am not finding a cornet mouthpiece I am happy with using.
Can you do a comparison on the 920 vs 923 medium bore cornets. I have what I believe is a 920 in immaculate condition that I bought in around 1977 from the SA trade shop in Manchester UK
You should do a video where you explain every instrument in your collection
I agree keep the vids coming !!!!
Good stuff! More would be great!
This was an excellent video. As for me, I could have had more detail about what made them different. On the chat boards the newer Besson is not always thought of well. Not having contact with these instruments, I can't say why that is. I'm interested in what you think. Also, when you played them, it wasn't possible to tell which was which, so maybe something like an on screen note about which on is being played or a bit of colored tape on the bell... whatever. Thanks.
Very interesting. I played on a sovereign as a kid and when I came back to banding 20 years later, I went back to what I knew, and bought another sovereign. I am wondering whether I should diversify and go for something else. What else could you recommend? I was told that Yamaha do a lovely instrument that would be good for a fair novice like myself
the older valves are nickel silver the newer valves are monel coated brass. the monel deadens the timber or tone and makes them play stuffy with more resistance.
I'm getting a Euphonium in December, can anyone recommend a good, preferably 3-valve, Model?
thanks
depends on how much you want to spend, Yamaha is nice but if you want to save some money a John Packer or Wessex will be fine for a starter
Michael Kirby - Brass, I have no previous experience with brass instrument and to be honest I'm most likely going to get a beaten up one from eBay from a stock model
Thanks for the recommendations
@@mjkiii9603 THO$E are cheap? Must be all b-dup and full of holes and leaks.
Always enjoy ur reviews ,For a beginner cornet mouth piece should it be a 7c,5c,3c, currently using a 4b that came with the second hand cornet ,main interest down the track is try some jazz.
The new song intro is pretty neat.
It's not new...
He changes the intro quite often and this one has been used in other videos.
Alex Paulsen I don’t really binge watch all of his videos, because there's other stuff I'm busy about. I am very sorry that I don't understand it.
This style suits you quite well. Could you do a tuba comparison between e flat and b flat or somthing of that sort?
I would like to hear the comparison earlier in the video.
I wouldn't mind seeing a comparison between euphoniums. I currently have a Boosey and Hawkes Imperial and am wondering what the modern equivalent is.
Do you find the high c on the 928 to be sharp?
How's it going Trent, greetings from the UK. Love the channel. Do you reckon you'll ever do a video on the Spanish Corneta? I've recently became really interested in them, having seen one on an Anthony Bourdain docco. Keep it up, big man.
Hi James, thanks for your comment. I don't imagine I will do a video on the corneta, but who knows what the future holds.
What's the outro piece called?
Is there a big difference between cornets and trumpets?
Sorry for the sillines, but can you do Gabriel's Oboe on Contrabass Trombone (Bass Trombone)
This one wasn't recorded before the surgery, right?
Yes, it was.
Does anyone know the name of the piece at 7:30? I’m thinking of doing it with a few of my buddies for solo and ensemble
I would suggest to keep making sovereign vs sovereign
Do a review on the cool Wind F attachment Trombone!
I have a newer model cornet but it doesn't have any levers!?
Some of the non- sovereign models don’t have triggers.
Hello Mr. Trent Hamilton. I have recently gotten a flugelhorn solo in our school band. Our school doesn't have a flugelhorn and since I am a trumpet player, I'm playing trumpet for it until our band director is able to get one. I was just wondering if you had any tips or important things I should do while I'm waiting to practice on a flugelhorn. I really want to prove myself to the upperclassmen and new director so I really don't want to butcher it. Thank you for your time and any advice you have will be appreciated. 🎺🎺🎺
Use the deepest mouthpiece you have (or a traditional cornet mouthpiece with an adaptor) - basically whatever takes the most edge off the trumpet sound.
And relax.
Don't play any louder than you can with a round and warm sound, the moment any edge get's into the mix back off (and hope the director shushes the rest of the band to your vollume).
@@EnglishTMTB thanks so much!🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺
Anytime - best of luck :)
You will reveal that the sousaphone that has an air leak is a euphonium?
Any tips on playing with braces?
DONT FORGET ABOUT THE PRESTIGE CORNET. I LOVE THE CORNET.
On the 2 hand?
I tend to find older model instruments warmer in tone
Awesome
hy ! really interesting ! the more i learn about other's instruments, the more i learn about mines !
I don't want to borrow you, but i have a question, and maybe you can help me : i've found in a garage sale a very old cornet : it's a model made for the "exposition universelle de paris 1900", so a one hundred yers old instrument, and i think he's punctured.
I'm french, and not sure about this last word : i've seen a little crack on a side of the body, just before the valves, and i don't know how it affects the instrument.
Of course, that means that i need to blow more air into the trumpet, but does this crack cause a flat or a sharp, or something ? is there something i can do, like melting stain in the crack, or did i need to seek for a luthier ?
anyway, your channel is really usefull, and your skills are really impressive for a beeginner like me ^^
thank you for your work, may the force be with you !
A crack in the horn could give you two problems. First you will probably get a breathy sound as if there was an air leak. You can get the same sound from a loose mouth piece or spit valve( water key ). If the crack is big enough it could potentially make your horn flat. Typically a simple crack is a very easy fix though. you should be able to take it to any store that sells wind instruments and they will probably have someone qualified to fix it. ( I had a a cracked brace on my trombone that i had fixed ) This is usually a relatively cheap fix as well. it cost me 45 USD which is about 38-39 euros i think. One thing to keep in mind is the finish around the crack will be changed when you have it fixed. I wouldn't recommend playing your horn with the crack until it is fixed, especially considering how old it is. The metal could become, or may already be brittle, meaning it could become worse quite easily. As I am American, I don't speak french. I took a year in high school but that wasn't quite enough to get this message across. I hope i have been helpful.
Do one with trombones
yeah it's cool.
How many brass instruments do you have?
Enough
The main difference between the 921's and the 928's is consistency.
A 921 is pretty much a 921 (unless it's been messed with by a tech that doesn't know their trade very well).
A 928 from the very early days is significantly better than a 921... A "lottery" era 928 is very often nowhere near the 921. The French and German production 928's are better than the lottery ones but the design has changed slightly over the years (according to Richard Smith, and it's noticeable in the playing IMHO).
A good early 928 is very, very difficult to beat (if it's not been played to death by now), a 921 is still a great cornet, but some of the models currently on the market are noticeably better.
I think I liked the older one better.
The newer model has a slightly rounder sound
Can’t tell the difference in sound
Interested
Hello
Hey, Trent! I highly recommend you try a tornister tuba or euphonium. You can get a cheaper one at wessex-tubas.com if you would ever want to do a video on them. I definitely recommend!
Hlo
dont sound different to me lmao