Bullying Star Wars Ships I Hate (...Part One?)
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2022
- On today's Star Wars video, I take a look at a bunch of Star Wars ships that I really don't like and throw some shade at them, from both Star Wars Legends and Canon. If you enjoy this video, drop a like and leave a ship that you really dislike!
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Good, good. Let the hate FLOW through you!
Yes, ever since I got into Star Wars in 2014, I have despised the AT-PT with all my heart.
It is the way to the dark side
@@lanceknowlton1871 Yes
I actually hate the A5 Juggernaut because they neglected the A6 Juggernaut (the one on Kashyyk)
Your new name is... Darth Corgi.
Before watching this video: Twin Ion Engine series are awesome, how possibly can they screw it up.
After watching: Oh.
He only scratches the surface on terrible and terrible looking TIE variants.
"The Ball of Death"🎱
Tie mauler...
@@lordzykron5518
A tie fighter with the ball cockpit painted like Darth Maul's head... would you really want a flying Maul head coming at you?
@@bluehero-96 how about a tie defender with extention struts allowing it to have 99 wings on each cluster. Also it's painted yellow and pink. How would you like that coming at you....
I love how this video ain’t even “why these ships are objectively bad”, it’s straight up dunking on ships for being goofy. I’m all for it.
4:49 I love the idea of having just a TIE-Ball. Because it lacks wings, the tie ball has god-awful maneuverability, so it just drifts around and slams into everything
Would be neat kinda for something like a prototype of Rogue One’s atmospheric TIEs.
Uber reinforced droid deployment vessel.
And with no wings and a very low moment of inertia, it just spins around wildly with the slightest touch of the flight stick.
Its in space, wings dont matter
Pilots just cursing, firing wildly, and hurling the entire time until they eventually explode.
Getting acknowledged in this video for my Rogue Shadow take has to be the highest honor I've ever received.
That's good. You've taken your first step into a larger world.
King
I tried to include your tweet, but couldn't find it!
@@EckhartsLadder I'm slightly disappointed that you didn't cover the out of nowhere redesign it got in The Force Unleashed 2.
It's hard to imagine that both versions are supposed to be the exact same ship.
@@26th_Primarch I'd argue it looks way better, at least, minus the cockpit, it's even worse, I think.
Hey let's be fair to the "Victory Frigate," the Arquitens didn't exist yet.
How could anyone hate the Assault Gunboat though, that just ain't right.
Though since you mentioned it, if you remember the Escort Shuttle, that kinda counted as a "Attack Lambda Shuttle" I think. Sure the thing barely showed up through the games but it was there. Looked damn awesome too.
When it comes to hating the assault gunboat. I don't think it looks imperial! Other than that I like it.
The original design for the Escort Shuttle didn't have folding wings, so I hated it because it looked like it couldn't possibly land in a shuttle bay.
The Victory 2 class frigate was built for Darth Jar-Jar. You can tell, because it looks somewhat like his head.
He is such a powerful Sith that he influenced ship design LONG before his existence was even hinted at.
It's sort of surprising how popular Battlefront 2 was given how games made only one or two years after the original usually turn out (Star Wars examples being KOTOR2 and TFU2).
that shuttel was a pain in the ass, firepower like a corvett "agile" like a bomber and armor twice a bwing AND IT SHOOTS BACKWARDS, had them much more common in TIE than it shoud be i gues but if i could choose i would fly in them^^
I feel click-baited. The TIE Experimental M1 was in the thumbnail, but not the video, and it really deserves a good roasting for how monumentally stupid it looks.
Eck should be excommunicated by the Prophets of the Dark Side for not liking the Assault Gunboat.
RIGHT!!!!
I kinda agree with him though, had it been more of an actual gunboat, bigger with a like 3-4 man crew like a Skipray, and modeled off of the Lambda, it'd have looked way cooler.
It deserves zero additional attention. It's basically an inverse TIE Bomber and it should feel bad.
Well it's an experimental tie did you expect it to look normal?
I love that TIE Experimental M1. It has a kit-bash vibe, although it would be even better if it just had two cockpits rather than a big turbolaser and one cockpit. Also, I want a TIE Interceptor sort of variant, with the panels straightened up vertical, between the two cockpits.
The Carrack cruiser deserves a spot. It is 350 meters long and I am convinced that that was a typo everyone ran with.
Because that means it has a front window two YT1300s could land on.
I'm like 75% sure they mixed up it's design with another ship's design.
With the whole wings thing, typically a good Sci fi way to write them off is as radiators. In space, unless you keep spewing out some coolant the only way to get rid of heat generated from systems is by having it radiate off the ships surface. As such having something large and flat like a wing is a good way to do that, even on the IRL ISS you can see some white panels that are doing just that. So on the lambda for example, having the wings deploy out so no surface is facing another, and thus not just radiating heat back at itself, makes some sense; as does having a ship need more radiators for something intensive like combat, like the s foils going to attack mode on an X-wing. Mind you IRL radiators wouldn't look much like wings but it's a good enough explanation for star wars I think.
Yup, getting rid of excess heat in space is actually a major problem.
i think someone did some math on the xwing and found out it would need like 2.5km long wings to radiate all the heat generated from its weapons, engines, and the nuclear reactor in the back
@@tacticalchicken7395 Star Wars physics basically involve a lot of stuff not melting or catching fire. I mean, they had to spark up a whole Star Destroyer engine to give that Bad Batch sniper a bad day. Note the lack of incineration. :)
@@tacticalchicken7395 Yeah, the math is definitely not exact, and inconsistent with giant capital ships usually ignoring radiators. But for a world where spaceships fight like its a WWII dogfight I think it's enough.
@@basabromander2778 at least the space dicks on the star destroyers in the last movie look cool
Love the idea of this series. I read the NEG to Vehicles countless times as a kid and I always hated some of them. Can’t wait to see the next entry.
He should do one on that one NR ship that i can never remember the name of, the modified Dreadnaught heavy cruiser in the Thrawn trilogy
@@kingkempf2540 the cruiser with the crew complement almost equal to a full on ISD?
@@kingkempf2540 Rebel Assault Frigate. I actually like that one.
As a kid I read the Jedi Academy trilogy and I thought the Sun Crusher was pretty cool, so I drew it. Spike shaped with laser turrets and a torpedo launcher on the bottom, sounds good to me. But I must have misread a few of the descriptive details because I ended up with something that looked a bit like an X-15 with bigger engine nacelles. A while later I was looking at my sister's Vehicles and Vessels book when I saw the Sun Crusher page. I stared at that thing for a while in disbelief, disgust, disappointment, and betrayal before turning the page and trying to forget what I saw.
Eck: (Includes Rogue Shadow)
"It is... Acceptable"
Also Eck: (Includes XG-1 Star Wing)
**"HANS! GET ZE FLAMMENWERFER!"**
How does the refit Rogue Shadow (Force Unleashed 2) compare?
It might be personal bias, but the missions where you have to be the XG-1 in the old tie fighter games were a lot harder than the first few training and combat missions lol.
The assault gunboat I have to disagree with you on. To me it looks like someone said "okay, we have the Lambda Shuttle, what if we replaced all that person capacity with missiles?" The ship looks like a derivative of the Lambda, and it fits the Star Wars general aesthetics of "can it be made by flat pieces, curved pieces, or vacuuform shells?"
Yeah it's one of the very best. Letting Cygnus get at least ONE fighter contract is cool.
I agree, the star wing is a great design and underrated IMO
I think that's fair.
It was always my favorite in TIE Fighter. It had the Jack of all trades feel of the Defender (it has shields, and lasers, and ion cannons, and ordinance, AND hyperdrive), but without being better than every other fighter out there. It gives up superiority in one field to be able to act in others.
The TIE Defender, on the other hand, just seems like an uninspired Mary Sue of a starfighter (and I’ll bet it speaks every language and can talk to animals, too).
yeah the tie defender is unreasonable overpowered and despite having so many weapons and shields its somehow faster than everyone
in defence of the gunboat, the X Wing was supposed to be and Imperial ship (in lore) so now picture X wings Flying next to the gunboat, that wouldn't look too out of Place
even next to the z95 head hunter it would look good but i agree that it does look a bit out of Place of you only see it next to ties and start destroyers
About the assault gunboat. My headcanon for it was that its what happens if you take a Lambda shuttle and put weapons on it and later on refine it a bit. But to me it was allways an armed shuttle.
Also the image you use, that looks a lot more advanced and at the same time more like a SG1 ship then what I remember from the old TieFighter game. On the other hand that could just be bad memories.
Anyway I see a design language taken over from the shuttle. So for me it fits.
Fore it looks too much like a Battlestar Galactica ship to belong in Star Wars.
@@tracyacquard7945 Yah, it almost is looks like an F-89 Scorpion from the late 40s and a YF-23 had a baby
I can see Eck's point but I disagree. It shared design lineage with the Lambda, perhaps it would have been better if the wings were angled like the Lambda but I can easily see it as someone seeing the early Lambda combat tests and saying, "what if we strip out all the passenger stuff, reduce the crew and shrink it as far as possible. Only to realize it needed more teeth so they loaded it to what for Star Wars is an obscene number of missiles.
What? You had me up until you dunked on the Alpha-class XG-1 Starwing. That has got to be one of the coolest, most under-appreciated fighters in all of Star Wars.
"What? You mean to tell me all this time the Empire had a hyperspace-capable space superiority fighter and all we ever see are fucking TIEs?!"
And it's rightfully rendered obsolete by its younger sibling, the Missile Boat. The problem with the "it doesn't look like it belongs in Star Wars" argument is that the argument acts like there are no other Starfighter manufacturers in the Star Wars universe, besides Seinar and Incom.
@@andrewrichards312 It still has the missile boat beat in energy weapons versatility. Laser cannons and ion cannons where as the missile boat just has a single laser cannon.
But I agree. If we're going to judge the XG-1 on whether or not it looks Star Wars enough (which is silly considering the Lambda is a thing) then a lot of fighters are called into question under the same argument. R-41? IRD? Literally tons. It's silly. It's like saying the F-22 doesnt look airplane enough despite being an airplane.
@@wun1gee Energy weapons are irrelevant though, because the smart Missile Boat Pilot will never get into a close range dogfight where they're even useful. The Missile Boat is essentially the ultimate sniper of all starfighters. A smart pilot will never use their laser cannon as it directly powers the SLAM system. Instead, they'll get close enough to target a ship, launch missiles and then SLAM back to a safe distance. With one missile launcher always carrying 40 concussion missiles, you've got a fair amount of liberty to spam enemies with. The Missile Boat can even outrun missiles with the SLAM system engaged, so short of someone getting very skilled and very cute with a hyperdrive, or being unlucky and having enemies drop out of hyperspace right on top of you while your SLAM system has its energy depleted, the only thing that poses a legitimate threat to the Missile Boat, is another Missile Boat. (Yes this was my favourite starfighter in Star Wars: Tie Fighter :-P )
Don't get me wrong, the only thing I rate higher than an XG-1 Starwing at close range dogfighting is a TIE Defender (yes, I'd take an XG-1 over a TIE Avenger any day of the week and twice on Sunday). However I rate a missile boat as being superior to both when you understand what I guess you'd call "dog-sniping" tactics.
@@andrewrichards312 That's the same argument they used when they designed the F-4 Phantom. The gun is irrelevant. Who would ever need a gun on something as fast as the Phantom when everyone's just slinging missiles at each other?
Then Phantoms started getting shot down by MiGs with guns.
But yeah I do agree the two serve different roles. The XG-1's a space superiority fighter and the XM-1's a strike craft. As such their mission profiles don't really overlap.
They're both exceptionally cool and I hope one day we'll get to see one in canon.
@@wun1gee The argument about the F-4 is a false equivalency, as you're essentially equating an F4 with a what would effectively be a Harrier with hypersonic capabilities. The F4 simply isn't capable of hovering in place to snipe enemies with missiles, turning on a dime and then going hypersonic. The XM-1 is due to both the nature of the SLAM and space combat. It's entirely possible to drift into gun range in an F-4 because of the nature of both Air Combat and its lack of hover capabilities unless you're really careful as a pilot. With the XM-1 however you've got to be very careless, oblivious (ignoring a missile lock) and have a deathwish, in order to become an easy target.
That said, I do think the ideal squadron formation for the Empire would have been 1 or 2 XG-1s and the rest of the squadron being made up of XM-1s. The XG-1s can keep the enemy occupied, while the 1 or 2 XM-1's can pick off any enemy fighters attacking the XG-1s, while taking out any capital ships - all from long distance.
Oh man, the Experimental TIEs 🤣
I hated the first level you had to fight them, they look dumb but the fact it had a turbo laser instead of normal laser canons meant it could make Swiss cheese out of the convey you had to protect. Dumb looking fighter, but pretty dangerous
But Experimential ties have at least justification of being experimental.
Unlike the Porsche Triwing
Oh yea, I really enjoyed that campaign as a whole, just loathe that first level.
The level where all five different models attack the Liberty is a blast...though designing an entire starfighter around being a flying bomb was a bit extra, even for Zaarin 😅
@@michaelandreipalon359 yea, even had a few prototypes up and running if I remember right. Only time in Alliance's campaign you can fight them
@@michaelandreipalon359 In multiplayer and sim missions the Avenger and Defender are both massively nerfed compared to TIE Fighter/
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Finally it's here.
Me when I actually like the ship design that Eck doesn't like:
"You're garbage... but not to me..."
You’re feelings for it are not real
@@CelloMaster2000 they were real to ME!!!
Laughter isn’t something one considers when watching an EckhartsLadder video, but this does put a smile on my face
One of my least favorite recent designs: Han's freighter from TFA. I know it's based on an NES game system, but that doesn't make it a visually interesting design.
Actually the sequel trilogy had a LOT of meh designs. I don't think they pushed the creativity nearly far enough in general, especially with the palette swap starfighters and the "bigger meaner" walkers. The speeders on Crait & the bombers at the beginning of TLJ were pretty striking designs though.
The problem I have with the sequel designs is that imo they look good, you can see where they were coming from with the redesigned star destroyers, AT-ATs and the stormtroopers to an extent that seem like visually they're saying "they didn't fix what wasn't broken, they improved on it" but like you said they didn't push farther past that. They still look cool, but I see so much untouched potential and the concept art just proves that further
@@maximumbraps6769 absolutely, the mammoth "strandbeest" walker designs for 8 & and alternate Kylo flagships & world devastators for 9 were MUCH more interesting and creative than final designs
Honestly I really liked the meaner looking walkers design but honestly it’s not very creative
@@maximumbraps6769 I am with you. Also, many designs, like the AT-M6 i.e. pushed their design too much into that generic fantasy-look.
The design was lackluster, but I liked the name, _Eravana._
I don't know, it just sounds like a pretty name. It's a shame the ship is so lame.
Someone needs to do a fan film interior mock ups of the Xyston. With FO crew having to deal with the bathroom being twice the size.
"Now I know how a jawa feels on a standard ship".
Where did they even get the crew from, if they’re cloned they’re probably just the right size for the ship
All I can think of is the scene in Zootopia.
"Fell into the toilet? You're dead bunny!"
I reckon the loos would be the right size, being bought in a bulk sale from Lando Sky Palace Bathroom fittings Inc but plumbing them would be a nightmare.
Plus maybe they'd have American style toilet doors. They're ridiculous enough in real life but double sized you wouldn't even have to open them to walk into the cubicle :p
@@pocketmarcy6990 They're "sith cultists who lived on Exegol" or something.
Bro everything is normal on the inside. Like idk what Eck is talking about we see the bridge of the Xyston and everything is normal size.
"An Imperial-I class hanging dong"
[wheeze]
That diss was so succinct it caught me off-guard.
The Rogue Shadow was actually designed so it would have a recognizable silhouette, with the intention that it could easily be ignored as just a Freighter instead of a Fighter, which when you think about it having a chunk of you vision cut out does make it look like less of a fighter lol
With your buddy up north, I'm feeling alot of anger and frustration...as the legend says "it's impossible for a Canidian jedi to turn to the darkside, they have too much empathy." So while I'd like to agree, I'm sorry that you feel that way and feeling some dark vibes. Great content as always Eck! Props from northern Canada mate!
You're on to something with the TIE Raptor, remove the wings. Its the 'absolute minimum starfighter'. It has only what you need for combat in the least expensive package possible; no sensors to be jammed, no complex shield generators, no hyperdrives that can fail. If it wasn't for the dangers of micrometeors I'd suggest removing the hull and just having the spaceframe.
The wings mount the lasers IIRC the normal laser nubs are now the conc missiles.
Okay, so we take the twin ion engines, weld some lasers to the front of the power plant, tape a computer to the bottom (to run the HUD and such) and bolt a seat on top with a transparisteel 'windscreen'. Attach your rebreather machinery to the back of the seat, weld some landing struts to the bottom of the engine, and you can rack more of these fighters than you can feed pilots!
Add the TIE fighter to the list of vehicles Pierre Sprey "designed". I wonder when we'll get a Lazerpig video on it
@@joannsmith8034 still gotta get them to combat somehow
@@paulableman2663 amen let's see it
What have these ships ever done to you, to deserve this?
Existing
They’re just bad, stupid, inferior
They existed. Nuff said.
Exist
Your mom (Jk bro)
I'm already loving this series. "It looks like a harmonica" lmao
I really hope there’s more than one part! I love all your Star Wars videos, but especially these ones!
4:25 I think the canonical reason is for cooling and solar power. Old legends wise though, they were also for steering using "aetherial rutters" as mentioned in Heir To The Empire.
I actually really like the Victory Frigate. It looks like someone took a Vindicator cruiser and a Pelta frigate together. I’d like it even more if the wings could fold backwards like the Pelta.
Honestly the Victory II is low-key one of my favorite Imperial ships. I like the sleek design, how it almost looks like a gun platform, and that bridge design you rarely ever see on imperial ships.
Aesthetically folding wings look cool, but in practice they drastically increase the risk of mechanical failure, which is detrimental for something designed to operate in space. The additional costs that come with increased maintenance requirements aren't suitable for a cost cutting faction like the Empire that's diverting so much funds and resources into super weapons.
always so eloquent, but here completely unleashed, love it XD would watch more of these
hahaha oh my gosh I was not expecting to laugh so much during this! Also, when you were talking about the TIE raptor and how it should've just ditched the wings and be a flying ball of death, which made me realize that I think I need to see a mod for that in Empire at War now as that would be hilarious to overrun the Rebels with that lmao!
Please do more!
can you imagine being an imperial commander expecting a shipment of new fighters and instead of getting new interceptors or something you get stuck with tie raptors
now this can become a series:
"star wars slander"!
I’m glad El Weewee made an appearance Eck! (The TIE Raptor)
I love this! I would love to see more of this from you. Maybe a "roasting ships you love" would be a cool spinoff of this!
I appreciate this version of Eck, a series where he can let loose and be a bit more unscripted and off the cuff. That alternate design for the Rogue Shadow looked frikin awesome
The Rogue Shadow looked more symmetrical in The Force Unleashed II so it looks a little better. Still has the cockpit problem in its design though. The more Sith Infiltrator-like design, with the blade-shaped bow, with the cockpit in front, is what the game designers should have gone with.
NGL the Victory II Frigate is one of my favorite imperial ship designs. The design of it looks really sleek, I actually kind of like those gun towers, kind of makes it look like it packs a bit more of a punch. Something I think goes underlooked is the bridge design, and how (aside from the cool factor) it doesn't stick out much like 90% of other 'star destroyer'-like designs.
it looks like a vessel they might print out a ton of for lesser roles in the empire
not as easy to hit from the front
Eck, your rants about ship designs are absolutely beautiful. Few people go out of their way to challenge how stupid some things in sci-fi end up looking and Star Wars has become very susceptible to this in recent years. The dinky little TIE Raptor had me dying; nobody ever mentions what use wings have
I love this series already! 😍
Even if it has ships that I personally like, (assault gunboat was my childhood) I was totally entertained by your valid opinions😆
*In defence of the Tie Raptor and Scythe*
The Scythe could be fixed by just having all the guns _be in turrets_ on either side of the blade, so they have 180° coverage. And that means with them side mounted with clear line of sight, _all_ the main firepower can hit equally front and rear arcs, with ½ the guns hitting on broadsides or above or below (assuming staggered layout).
Then it becomes far more effective than standard hull layouts.
And as for the Tie Raptor, that's actually a better design for the wings/panels than other Ties (including the Defender 😱) as it solves the biggest issue most Ties have … the panels blocking line of sight of the pilot.
Even the Defender had a lot of blind spots from it's panels…
It just looks wrong due to proportioning, the panels seem to small and stubby. If they were a bit bigger (each half the size of a standard Ties, so that with twice the panels it's the same surface area) and there was a bit of body work on the ball for anchor points, then it would look formidable.
But if you assume that they somehow shrunk down the needed surface area of the panels without sacrificing performance, then this thing would be lethal… hard to hit due to small target profile, even side on, and the panels being perpendicular to the pilot allow unobstructed viewing out of the tiny little front only facing cockpit window …
…
_I think I've spotted a flaw?_
*nods* yeah TIE Raptors do admittedly look off but their combat effectiveness is scary with heir large missile load out.
To be fair, the Tie Raptor just looks dumb. It's rule of cool in action. Don't matter how good it is if it looks like baby's first Tie Fighter.
@@TheSuperRatt true true
I mean a TIE series cockpit is always gonna be kinda shitty with zero peripheral, but at least the Raptor doesn't exacerbate the issue with it's panel design.
I thought the Sythe's guns _were_ in turrets with something like 90+ degrees traverse off-axis. Certainly looks like it has turrets on the sides of the fin.
So yeah, it's optimized for forward firing but it can still cover its flanks (just not its rear) with half its arsenal per side unless I'm greatly mistaken.
Ekhart claiming the ship could only fire straight ahead seems a terrible misread to me.
I have maybe left like 3 comments in 10 years. This series needs more parts.
I loved the XG-1 Assault Gunboat. It debuted in the DOS X-Wing series and probably took some inspiration from a Colonial Viper from the old 70s BSG. I think maybe you confused it wit the later Missile Boat from the TIE Fighter game which was like using cheat codes for unlimited ammo and double speed. Looked even stranger and more delicate.
Please, make a series of this my man, I love everything about this
Some aspects of these sort of ships are pretty reasonable to get angry or disappointed at. Plus with little comedy put into this video makes this much more entertaining to watch. Thus far, a great video explaining the downsides to these ships.
So, I'll going to give.this series a sort of challenge. Certainly giving you a ship that'll be especially tough to give your own hate to belonging in the star wars universe. Basically. . .
Dark Empire's World Devastators
Tough to hate? I remember them from rogue squadron. And I never was a big fan of the design, but honestly idk what would be better for their function. It's not tough to hate but it's tough to criticize fairly.
The D-5 is from SWTOR, the bounty hunter class ship I believe.
Yes and it's lovely
Better than the BT-7 Thunderclap.
I liked the rogue shadow :(
Great vid! Love the laid back tone it's super funny
haha good video keep up the good work man been here since 2018 and makes me happy to see you still going strong
I can't wait for more of this
I literally thought by the title this was in reference to like, Rey + Kylo or something along the lines of "shipping"
Also a good video idea
Luke and Leia would be number 1 in that video
Dude the Rogue Shadow is one of my all time favorite Star Wars ships. It might not make sense but art style wise it’s seriously awesome. I love the messy scrap metal look to it.
I have it as a Lego set so I felt unsatisfied while watching that part 😂
I liked this!! I would love to see a lot more of this.
Felt weirdly rushed and overly fast for a ten minute video, though. Must be a balance between this fun energy and something a bit more controlled.
By ships I didn’t know you meant actual ships, I thought you were talking about ones like Finn and Poe, Rey and Kylo, or din djarin and Cara dune lmao
@@michaelandreipalon359
Out of those choices, for me, Kim Possible and the Owl House has some OK shipping.
Man hates the ATPT
Man, i love the energy of this video. THIS is the content i love seeing!
I think this is great, and I'd love to see it expanded to other IPs as well!
I think the best looking ship in all of science fiction in my opinion is the Destiny Ascension from Mass Effect. It is such a sweet design. Still don’t know why their bridges are called cockpits though because… Well Mass Effect fans will get that.
I think my favorite ships were the Cerberus Cruisers, like an angrier alliance vessel but not where it screams "Look at how evil I am!"
The Cerberus cruisers are nice. It’s a shame they are only briefly shown in the third game. Mass Effect has some good ship designs though all around.
I really wish we actually got see that ship do something, just one ship getting absolutely annihilated by it would have made me so happy.
I would love to see a part 2 of this on Star Wars or other sci-fi ship or one on walker and vehicle
2:32 It’s a simple ship. Just like a claymore, “front towards enemy” It’s almost like people forget Star Wars is a magical universe that doesn’t require ships to move forward to turn.
I think Eck is undergoing a mood swing.
Imagine falling in a Xyston’s huge toilet. 😢
After hearing you destroy the Mantis I'd love to hear your opinion on the rest of the SWTOR ships and vehicles.
The Mantis has to be the worst of the SWTOR ships. The Phantom being the best looking, but the Mantis is just terrible with moving parts for the sake of "cool moving parts". Who thought having one of the main engines swing down like that was a great idea?
@@sailingspark9748 Because they were trying to be as 'Slave-1'-like as possible although not with common sense built into it.
so glad that sun crusher already made it this early into this video series. Bulling Star Wars ground vehicles next?
I love these videos because I'm not super big into star wars lore, and I just like the way the ships look. So hearing insight and lore about them is cool
I've come to really like the scythe.
It's fair to say the concentrated firepower is a weakness but that could also be due to doctrine. The mc 140 has massive engines too so I assume it functions kind of like an eldar ship from battlefleet gothic, doing boom and zoom attacks concentrating all fire power on key points of the enemy.
Wookie also mentions a cross of fire mode that MetaNerdz assumed it ment a component beam laser like the on the blade wing in rebels. If that's the case it could be a justification for the configuration in order to fire in such a way.
The scythe was also standardised and mass produced, and it's weaponry is ratted as batteries, not individual turrets. This could mean each battery is itself a module that either allows some degree of customization or helps streamline construction.
So the way I see the ship working considering its hyperdrive us that it'd pop into a system in a battle group of 3 with some escorts. The main ships make their run on the target and the escorts engage the scattered enemy while the other ships reposition for another pass and then pop out of need be. Alternatively they could also be used as long range "sniper vessels" leaving most of the brawling to the small ships and fighter wings.
Good, Good. You have done well Darth Ladder
Oh man, I haven't laughed this hard in a long long time! Keep letting the hate flow through you for each faction Eck, this is fantastic!
I like the Tie Raptor. Feels like a parasite fighter, carried by small Imperial ships without any hangars to give them just a little bit of anti-starfighter defense. Like maybe it slots into escape pod berths. But the Imps never considered starfighters to be a serious threat, which cost them an SSD, numerous ISDs, both Death Stars, and eventually the whole Empire
That was really fun! I also appreciate your outro because it lets me pause the video after the doggo scene before the RUclips ad starts :D
Also doggo XD
Hey Eck, you should discuss the horrors of the Dark Side. Or you can discuss the horrors of time travel.
>the horrors of the dark side
you're going to need to be WAY more specific
@@dsdy1205 there are Dark Side entities that were either created by the Sith or they are an embodiment of the Dark Side.
@@joannsmith8034 😑
Your extra helping of sass in this form of video is nice!
When I read the Jedi Academy series the Sun Crusher was from, I was a little annoyed at it, but I had this really wrong idea of it as this long, sleek little shard of a ship because of the crystalline armor. I've never been more disappointed with a rendering of something from a book.
Yeah that totally isn't what my mind pictured. Now i hate it for more than just being an "I win" button. The point isn't the nose? Dafuq?
Love these recent vids of yours. Letting the hate flow through you while knowing it isnt mean spirited and all in good fun. More of these!
2:20 The Scythe-class ships looks really cool and badass to be honest
I think the scythe would have been great with regular guns on it's flanks and some very heavy weapons that take some time to recharge on the front.
It does look cool, but the gun setup is absurd
Really wouldn't mind seeing someone like EC-Henry's own personal take on that Victory-II frigate. Like trying to give an explanation on why it looks like that compared to other Imperial vessels with a cool headcanon behind it.
Not EC-Henry, but I wouldn't mind giving my own spin on it! I personally see it as kind of an imperial weapon platform, meant to shoot as many guns at once as it can. This is why it's got a more flat design, as well as the towered guns, allowing all of them to have a much wider arc of fire. I also imagine it's more speedy than the standard imperial ship, which is why it's overall sleeker, has a large number of engines, as well as those 'wings' it has (which I know probably provide very minimal advantage in space). Something also to note is that the command bridge is much smaller than most 'star destroyer' like ships, making the entire ship less of a target.
@@justice9539 If this came out long after the Clone Wars show I'd say it could be a replacement to the Arquitens class.
Now that's the kind of videos that made me watch Eckharts Ladder in the firsr place. Sends me back to the factions compared and stuff.
Not necessarily a "bad" ship (I have no idea what you think about it) but I'd be curious about your thoughts about the VT49 decimator).
I love this video, I wonder your honest thoughts on most of the legends republic fighters, I always didn't mind the K or E wing...I also don't remember alot of star wars ships so I'm just curious what other ships will pop up
I hate how the cockpit officially opens on the E-wing, it opens like an X-wing canopy requiring the partial disassembly of the top blaster instead of the much simpler design of opening like the canopy of an N-1 Naboo starfighter.
I'm kinda curious as to if the Ebon Hawk is gonna show up in this series.
Ah yes, the discount Millenium Falcon
If you look at every single small craft/fighter in Star Wars, you’ll notice almost all of them have some form of wing. Like the star viper, it has the main engine, but in order to be able to rapidly turn it needs the s-foils/wings, to make up for the fact that in only has one thruster. Whereas bigger ships like a mon-calamari cruiser will simply boost or lower power to a couple thrusters. Maybe small crafts/fighters have the engines, but for them to be fast moving and maneuverable like the tie, they need a balancing factor like the wings to be able to make turns and quick maneuvers.
That’s how I always liked to look at it anyways
I seem to remember the assault gunboat being described in the EGtVV as a product of the Empires military industrial complex, and Cygnus trying to come up with something to lure profits away from Sienar and their TIE line.
Yep you irritated me by mentioning the Cygnus Spaceworks XG1 Starwing...Cygnus Spaceworks was renowned for producing the Lamda class shuttle so I could see where the design flow went but yes it does not look very Star Warsy... better than its daughter- the Missile boat which I just hate for its OVERPOWERED capital ship killing ability. One vs an ISD - unlikely... in fact anything above a Neb B subsystems killer is ludicrous
Only the cockpit looks arguably unstarwarsy and only because it's a bit too X-Wing when it should look more Lambda.
Love the idea of this series! More plz! And Justin…you hit it right on the head. The sun crusher… 🤢 Terrible design, terrible concept. Even as a kid reading the books for the first time, I absolutely hated the sun crusher.
Agreed, not in my head canon
Please, were gonna need 10+ parts of this series, roasting ships (and other things)
8:10
The theta class shuttle was basically this in original star wars battlefront 2. It had these missile bays that could oneshot anything that was starfighter or bomber scale whilst also having an instant kill burst cannon. The missile bays were so oppressive that I won several space battles against my friends just by hard locking them into oblivion every time they left the hangar. It had absolutely zero counters. Honestly, I think I would become a major fan of the Xg-1 if the wings tilted down.
I had alot of laughs watching this video. Keep it up. Part 2 when?
Dont touch my boy the B-wing
I've bene watching this channel for years and enjoyed a lot of the videos. So, I have to say, new snarky-hot-take-Eck is pretty funny. Don't have him in every video, but definitely bring him out more often
Venting video? Surprisingly good. Everyone needs to have a chance to vent every once in a while :)
I'd be quite interested in seeing a video that you devote entirely to the various Uglies. X-Tie, Y-Tie, Z-Ceptor, etc etc, and critiquing/analyzing/mocking them in the same way you did here. Mind you they all did have a purpose, but...some of them just LOOK like really bad asset-smashes that someone did without thinking about how it'd actually work.
I love the Uglies. Perhaps not every combo, but the concept itself falls right in line w/ George's concept of a "lived in world" as well as his well known love of the custom car culture. When SW was introduced in the late 70's it was common to see custom car "blends" such as throwing a Rolls grille on a VW, a pickup bed on a 'Vette, or a Chevy small block in a Ford roadster... real world Uglies (depending on taste, of course)
One thing that ALWAYS bothers me about space fighters, especially ones that are unusual in shape, size, configuration, or have to do some kind of weird origami just to land... Those things would be an absolute bitch to try to land in ANY bay. Bays are supposed to be general sized, and able to accomodate ships of 'any' design. But looking at that stupid Resistance lander harmonica, I keep thinking "This thing takes up the space of like, 3 small star fighters. If they just rotated the entire body and cockpit so it was a flying TUBE, maybe it could land normally like the First Order drop ships (honestly I love that design) instead of taking up three parking spaces."
My concern also extends to TIE fighters. Those solar wing things, unless they condense and collapse when not in use so the thing can deploy landing struts, they either need to land ON the edges of the wings (which would have to support all that weight, and the cockpit could be 20 feet off the ground at that point), or they'd need a special armature/docking clamp just to hold the bloody things, like a B5 Starfury. And you would HAVE to have those clamps to land it. They take up space that could be better used to say, have smaller bays that hold fighters that can sit on their own struts and aren't 80 feet tall from base-of-sail to tip.
Some designs I like. Others I condemn so fast. Especially when it's a design thrown together to fill a hole in 'we need a new looking ship'. or 'we want to market a new toy, and this is the design we came up with'.
See, I like fighter designs that fold up for a smaller landing profile, and this is a big reason. Like, the B-wing's foils folding in, makes it a little easier for it to fit in a crowded or narrow bay.
I never really thought about it, but I can see your point. The assault gunboat really COULD be at home in many other shows. I'm still a fan, since it was the first ship you got in Tie Fighter that natively got shields, but I can agree to disagree. :)
Thoroughly enjoyed the vid! I hope you continue this as a series!
Fun video! 😁 In the same family as the Rogue Shadow or IG-2000 I'd also like to distinguish the Sith Fury-class Interceptor from Star Wars The Old Republic. Same no visibility central cockpit, and I always thought its Interceptor designation curious. It's a huge ship designed for long trips, not a fighter designed around speed and fire power.
I get that Assault Gunboats don't fit the Imperial aesthetic, but to me they're indelibly linked to the Empire because I played X Wing Alliance obsessively back in the day. The Empire would definitely be much more dangerous if they'd invested more in them and their advanced next-gen TIE programmes. Luckily for the Rebellion, the Empire was run by cheapskates.
EDIT: Oh, you noted the Gunboats looked similar to the Lambda shuttles? It's 'cause they're made by the same company. So really, they aren't such an aesthetic deviation.
I feel like they were added to X-Wing/Tie Fighter so the Empire could have star fighters that had Ion cannons so they could write campaigns where both sides could disable capital ships lol. It does feel somewhat out of place amongst TIE fighters though.
Love the TIE Advanced X1 in X Wing Vs Tie Fighter though, most lethal fighter in the game IMHO.
Can you please do the mg-100 starfortress sf-17 next? I know you've made fun of it before but I haven't seen those videos and it's always a fun ship to make fun off. Also can you talk about how ridiculous it is that it's the most overpowered ship in Lego Star Wars the Skywalker Saga? It has the highest damage per shot and fire rate on its cannons out of any ship and has infinite torpedoes.
Oh this was gold, I've not laughed so hard at a utube vid in goddamn ages! I'll def be looking out for the next entries. I don't even care what ships you tear apart, it's great material. Just... not the avenger, ok? :P
The video was great Eck! Please make more :)
I actually agree with you on everything except the XG-1. Which is canon BTW, though only in name. It hasn’t visually shown up or described in text, only mentioned
The hey is the “XG-1???”
XG-1 always felt like it was supposed to be somewhat outside of the Imperial design philosophy, even in-universe.
@@nickter745thebold8 The Cyngus Spaceworks Alpha-class Xg-1 Star Wing Assault Gunboat.
@@DIEGhostfish "Alpha-class" "xg-1" "star wing" why does this thing have 3 different names lmao
@@DIEGhostfish in the TIE fighter game lore it was supposed to be a relatively new design at the time of the Battle of Yavin but I think it works better as an older design, an attempt to replace the Y-wing and ARC-170 that somehow kept its utility well into the TIE series domination of Imperial star fighter doctrine. It outclassed the Bomber but was itself outclassed by the Avenger and Defender.
I love the Gunboat, it was so fun trying to squeeze enough speed out if it in order to stay relevant in the later missions.
needed something like this after the bullshit that happened here in the US today. Thanks Eck.
Samesies
Scythe, Crossfire and that ice-cream cone ship are all just *blech*, the raptor is simply adorable
I just about never comment on videos, but this one is perhaps my favorite RUclips video I have ever watched. I couldn’t stop laughing