5 Absolutely Useless Imperial Vehicles -- Star Wars Legends

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    Today we talk about five absolutely awful Star Wars walkers, vehicles and more used by the Galactic Empire during the Galactic Civil War and beyond
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  • @EckhartsLadder
    @EckhartsLadder  2 года назад +75

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    • @michaelwerkov3438
      @michaelwerkov3438 2 года назад +1

      i love the rogue squadron footage... its been too long since i replayed them all, from n64 and the secret naboo fighter, to the later ones

    • @michaelwerkov3438
      @michaelwerkov3438 2 года назад +1

      the search for the nonnah lol... so many memorable levels

    • @jackstecker5796
      @jackstecker5796 2 года назад

      I could actually see some use for the TIE tanks and AT-TP. With the proper tactics, that is. And, to be honest, if you're fielding vehicles like this, you're probably up the creek without a paddle.
      Think echelon formation. Basically a flying "V". The 3 vehicles in the center, go straight, and the other vehicles on either side alternate inboard and outboard turns to provide interlocking fields of fire. Kinda like a Thatch weave, but backward.

    • @IansMentalOmega
      @IansMentalOmega 2 года назад

      A lot of Scifi Nations that are "evil" have a bad habit of going all-in on the "we have an iconic thing, let's make everything have that iconic thing in it somewhere"

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro 2 года назад +2

      I sort of could buy TIE Mauler as exotic anti-personel TIE variant used occasionally, because it didn't take much space if you already have TIE infrastructure. But TIE Tank is just plain dumb.

  • @mattador55
    @mattador55 2 года назад +1120

    "How about an AT-AT but it's a submarine?"
    "Why not make an actual submarine?"
    "BUT THEN HOW WILL THEY KNOW IT'S US?!"

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 2 года назад +93

      This logic pattern seemed repeatedly to be followed by EU writers, and to some extent by fans even now.

    • @michaelwerkov3438
      @michaelwerkov3438 2 года назад +39

      @@absalomdraconisall over the eu, but these days, definitely by fans. but usually at first it seems by not particularly creative or out of the box fan fics types who get way too into the tropes. i appreciate more and more when people think through what theyre adding. luckily a lot that went into the prequels tried to consider function... nooooot the sequels though

    • @rmcgowa1987
      @rmcgowa1987 2 года назад +32

      @@michaelwerkov3438 The sequels tried to pretend the original trilogy didn't exist ignoring established rules for hyper spacing ww2 bombers in space?They must be joking you can't just drop bombs in space there is no gravity it needs to be propelled somehow changing Luke Skywalker's personality completely if they had used the original Luke Ben Solo wouldn't have turned to the dark side because Luke would never even attempt to kill someone he cared about just because he sensed the dark side in them he would first talk to them try to bring them over to the light side killing would be a completely last resort

    • @neillindgren8992
      @neillindgren8992 2 года назад +8

      @@rmcgowa1987 You’re confusing “prequel” with “sequel”.

    • @rmcgowa1987
      @rmcgowa1987 2 года назад +2

      @@neillindgren8992 yeah my bad typo I meant sequel I will fix it thanks for telling me

  • @Silverfishv9
    @Silverfishv9 2 года назад +966

    I see you used footage of the TIE MAULER from Empire at War, but neglect its true utility in that game: Running over swarms of infantry or civilian partisans with its treads. The guns are pretty much just there to fire at light buildings and rush artillery.

    • @juanglebronmedina3957
      @juanglebronmedina3957 2 года назад +120

      TIE MAULER SPAM WORKS FOR EVERYTHING!!!!

    • @danshakuimo
      @danshakuimo 2 года назад +112

      I don't think the Empire was really thinking about fighting conventional wars (like against the CIS) so didn't care about practical vehicles as long as they were aesthetically intimidating and symbolic of the empire. So using the mauler to run over enemies makes sense as opposed to actually using it to fight other tanks.

    • @Orthus100
      @Orthus100 2 года назад +19

      How does that even work? You'd have to intentionally run at the treads to get run over, the rest of the vehicle has enough clearance to just drop prone.

    • @Gothic7876
      @Gothic7876 2 года назад +12

      @@Orthus100 gameplay thing.

    • @Orthus100
      @Orthus100 2 года назад +3

      @@Gothic7876 Oh, I understand that. I was referring to the imaginary real application of the vehicle.

  • @Eatmydbzballs
    @Eatmydbzballs 2 года назад +879

    TIE Mauler is good
    At running over Rebel missile troops.

    • @josephpayne113
      @josephpayne113 2 года назад +43

      Your pauses like this
      Are very poetic

    • @grantbarday5760
      @grantbarday5760 2 года назад +105

      And then self destructing in the middle of the rebel formation

    • @Esvald
      @Esvald 2 года назад +27

      dunno man, when I tried to use them the rebels always blew them up in seconds. Without shields these things just don't last.

    • @Eatmydbzballs
      @Eatmydbzballs 2 года назад +44

      There main ability is to kamikaze,
      If you don't loose at least one Mauler Squadron taking a planet your not using them properly.
      In vanilla EAW and FOC Maulers are the Empires only infantry counter on assualt.

    • @bsquaredbundles
      @bsquaredbundles 2 года назад +39

      Yeah TIE Maulers are great at just running over groups of infantry. Don't even use the guns. Just drive really fast back and forth until they are all dead.

  • @harrisonlee9585
    @harrisonlee9585 2 года назад +311

    This makes me want a miniseries about an Imperial alligned defense contractor that has to build all these insane contraptions.

    • @zebjensen4251
      @zebjensen4251 2 года назад +14

      that sounds like it is in the nehoborhood of are you being surved, just with more building and less men's and lady's cloths.

    • @kabob0077
      @kabob0077 2 года назад +22

      Make it in the style of Pentagon Wars.

    • @zebjensen4251
      @zebjensen4251 2 года назад +23

      @@kabob0077 should still be a comedy where not much gets done and everyone tries to take credit or shift blame. Maybe with a bumbling leader at the head of it

    • @youmukonpaku3168
      @youmukonpaku3168 2 года назад +27

      The Office, but for Kuat Drive Yards or Sienar Fleet Systems

    • @shaneshackleford6960
      @shaneshackleford6960 2 года назад +12

      I always thought that JarJar became Grand Moff, and he was using Gungun military doctrine for the Empire.

  • @killerkobi
    @killerkobi 2 года назад +117

    Bruh that Tie Mauler saved my Imperial ass so many times by running over those waves of Rebel infantry then exploding in the name of the Emperor.

    • @taylorzn2
      @taylorzn2 2 года назад

      My favorite comment ever...

  • @coltnichols4502
    @coltnichols4502 2 года назад +267

    Honestly the better use for leftover tie cockpits would be a literal ball turret. Just allow the thing to rotate maybe stick on another gun and you've got a super cheap turret or drop in from Gozanti and you have quick deploy fire support

    • @o00nemesis00o
      @o00nemesis00o 2 года назад +6

      Super expensive turret more like, comes with sublight engines

    • @coltnichols4502
      @coltnichols4502 2 года назад +29

      Well I figure you rip that out and put in a sick music system

    • @joshuahadams
      @joshuahadams 2 года назад +10

      Or use that cockpit to build a Striker. Even if they’re carrying dumb bombs, they’ll probably do better than the tank.

    • @emberfist8347
      @emberfist8347 2 года назад +1

      Nah that is the best use as it reduces the cost of the vehicle.

    • @mylesbarrett2031
      @mylesbarrett2031 2 года назад +11

      Yeah, i can see it, Rip out the reactor and Ion engines and use that as the attachment point, and attach some cannons where the wings would be, and you have a solid ball turrett. Maybe if you put about a dozen of those per Imperial II, they might not get blasted by rebel fighters quite so often.

  • @kabob0077
    @kabob0077 2 года назад +353

    The AT-PT is something in a niche between the AT-RT and the AT-DP and largely redundant in its role, it's completely understandable why it would be on this list as it's really not filling a role that can't be taken by another vehicle.

    • @woofwoof6419
      @woofwoof6419 2 года назад +28

      I can't help but think it would still be a decent replacement for the AT-RT. It's a lot shorter and possibly has an extra weapon or two. Not to mention the cockpit isn't open, compare that to the AT-RT which was basically giving a free kill to snipers.
      I feel like it could work in an Urban setting, at least more than it's more open-topped cousin.

    • @kabob0077
      @kabob0077 2 года назад +5

      @@woofwoof6419 Except it doesn't have the maneuverability of the AT-RT and it doesn't give the pilot a big enough field of vision for them to properly look around. Not to mention the cockpit looks like a sideways fridge making its silhouette stand out THAT much more against the background on top of the possiblity of it being easily outmaneuvered by Infantry in an urban setting if the streets are tight enough.

    • @cooper10182
      @cooper10182 2 года назад +7

      @@kabob0077 from what I understood, the AT-PT was used in the dark force fleet. So I think it was intended for on ship use and CnC ground support.

    • @Ushio01
      @Ushio01 2 года назад +14

      @@kabob0077 Being exposed is a huge weakness not just because of snipers but shrapnel increased agility is not a bonus. Also using your own eyes or binoculars in a AT-RT should be vastly inferior to the AT-PT's sensors and optics from an enclosed cockpit for detecting the enemy.

    • @rmcgowa1987
      @rmcgowa1987 2 года назад +6

      The AT-PT is supposed to have a point defense system it protects other vehicles from missiles,rockets and proton torpedos it also assists against infantry fire the problem is though in empire at war and aotr that point defense system doesn't last that long so they lose a lot of their usefulness

  • @imanoobhunter
    @imanoobhunter 2 года назад +108

    Eckhart and his hate of the at-pt 😂 that rogue squadron mission sticks with you

    • @bloq6758
      @bloq6758 2 года назад +1

      In star wars commander it was somewhat effective and was good against most type of fortifications

    • @randomstormtrooper3345
      @randomstormtrooper3345 2 года назад +4

      @@michaelandreipalon359 Nah, just fly low and be patient. Now on the at-pt mission it's completely luck-based, since your allies are dumb

    • @randomstormtrooper3345
      @randomstormtrooper3345 2 года назад +2

      @@bloq6758 I'm pretty sure SWC used the at-DP instead of PT

    • @genxtinct6207
      @genxtinct6207 2 года назад +8

      Of all of the levels on Rogue Squadron, especially first playthrough, Fest just loves to hand-out PTSD and Depression.

    • @KamenRiderGumo
      @KamenRiderGumo 2 года назад +6

      It really does......to this day it's the only one I have trouble getting a gold medal on.

  • @grantbarday5760
    @grantbarday5760 2 года назад +257

    At first I got angry when you talked about the AT-PT, but it’s only because I misheard the name. I thought you were trying to talk smack about the AT-DP

    • @Attaxalotl
      @Attaxalotl 2 года назад +11

      The AT-DP is the chad version of the AT-PT

    • @Wulfeylol
      @Wulfeylol Год назад +5

      And the AT-AP is the gigachad version of the AT-DP

    • @robertharris6092
      @robertharris6092 Год назад +3

      The AT-XT puts all of the 2 legged walkers to shame.

    • @basteala525
      @basteala525 Год назад +1

      AT-DP feels like a similar concept to the AT-PT, but with a turreted body, and used in an urban police environment where small arms fire, anti infantry weapons, and small size for a walker would be far more useful.

  • @TheOtherGuys2
    @TheOtherGuys2 2 года назад +249

    A dedicated gaming phone? Okay, there's just one feature I'd like it to add. A 17" display so that I can see what I'm doing without squinting, and my fingers don't cover three buttons at a time.

    • @slowazzd2165
      @slowazzd2165 2 года назад +19

      I think you're looking for a tablet 🤣

    • @MonkeyJedi99
      @MonkeyJedi99 2 года назад +29

      @@slowazzd2165 Exactly the point, I believe.

    • @Lee_Enfield95
      @Lee_Enfield95 2 года назад +10

      Sponser matched video content

    • @HGShurtugal
      @HGShurtugal 2 года назад +3

      I have a LG Wing and it would be amazing for gaming Its almost like a DS

    • @GeorgeBPryor
      @GeorgeBPryor 2 года назад +8

      It needs a cup holder on the back, so I can drink my mountain dew without having take my fingers off the buttons.

  • @benjaminhenegar291
    @benjaminhenegar291 2 года назад +182

    The crawler and mauler must be for failed pilots, they already invested the money in the training give them a slower one on ground that they can use, may get a few kills instead if killing Friendly's out of ineptitude

    • @rmcgowa1987
      @rmcgowa1987 2 года назад +13

      Being a tie pilot is not much of a promotion you are unshielded your basically flying your own coffin even the lowest ranking x wing pilot can destroy you

    • @jacobparslow8723
      @jacobparslow8723 2 года назад +23

      @@rmcgowa1987 Not really, sure it's still a flying coffin but a good TIE pilot can scrap a low ranking X-Wing pilot. Going a bit into the EU Wedge himself even admits to getting a bit to reliant on his shields and wonders if that's making him a worse pilot (I think it's Wedge anyway) But while the TIE fighter is a death trap it's also at the same time a crucible. If you live, if you get good at flying a TIE fighter you might just find yourself in an Interceptor or commanding your own ship. In their perverse resource wasting way the Empire was trying to find the best of the best.

    • @DracoStarcloud
      @DracoStarcloud 2 года назад +27

      It's been awhile since I read it, but I think the Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels (the one Eck is grabbing a TIE Crawler picture from) describes that the Empire was in fact using TIE Fighter washouts to drive TIE Crawlers.

    • @nolanturner5607
      @nolanturner5607 2 года назад +4

      @@DracoStarcloud Yes, it did. Was looking for someone to have said it already, if not then do it myself.

    • @emberfist8347
      @emberfist8347 2 года назад +2

      No they were made as a cost-cutting measure for the latter and the former was when the Empire and the manufacturer were low resources and funds.

  • @spad7477
    @spad7477 2 года назад +76

    That dislike is from the Sienar Fleet Systems CEO just trying to make some money to feed his family by throwing random things onto a TIE cockpit.

    • @pot_of_greed2414
      @pot_of_greed2414 2 года назад +5

      Well you'll want to reconsider recounting the dislike ratio.
      your comment had me laughing

    • @emberfist8347
      @emberfist8347 2 года назад +1

      Well the TIE Crawler and TIE Mauler weren't by SFS but Santhe/Sinear Technologies their parent company.

  • @CaptainVandus
    @CaptainVandus 2 года назад +72

    I actually like the wave skimmer, I feel like it serves the purpose of a fast, easy to maintain scout on planets where the highest ranking Imperial Officer doesn't have the materials or manpower requisition for the more sought after equipment. They have to make due with B and C tier equipment and poor supply lines, so lower tech machinery would make more sense. I really wish they would go more into the Imperial Maritime Division. They apparently also have aircraft carriers. First time I believe I had ever seen a Maritime craft in Star Wars was probably the landing craft in Rogue Squadron during Defection at Corellia where they drop stormtroopers on the beach to invade the city. Always thought it was really cool.

    • @emberfist8347
      @emberfist8347 2 года назад +10

      Plus the Waveskimmer was made in the lore because there was a garrison on an ocean world that didn't have proper submarines so they had to modify the craft the Empire gave them to fill the roll.

    • @bigroaststyrone8135
      @bigroaststyrone8135 10 месяцев назад +1

      The problem is instead of using it for coastal or river based patrol they use it out in deep seas where it just can’t handle the choppy waters out there. It would be the equivalent of the US using PBRs to fight a Russian Fleet in the Atlantic

    • @andrewbloom7694
      @andrewbloom7694 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@bigroaststyrone8135 I mean, my money might be on the US PBR at this point lol

    • @bigroaststyrone8135
      @bigroaststyrone8135 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@andrewbloom7694 yea u rite lmao

  • @hetzer5926
    @hetzer5926 2 года назад +35

    The Engineer who made the Tie-tank
    Designer: “okay you see those unused Tie fighter cockpits?”
    Engineer: “Yes.”
    Designer: “Put a turret on the bottom of it.”
    Engineer: “That actually sounds lik-“
    Designer: “Then instead of wings put treads on both sides.”
    Engineer: “………..how much have you had to drink today?”

  • @Nidhoggrr
    @Nidhoggrr 2 года назад +84

    It's pretty insane that a universe that uses repulser tech in literally everything would consider a mech and all the complications that are inherent in that design to be more reliable than something that is so common it is used in kids toys.
    Reliable is WHEELS not legged mechs. Besides being mechanically simple for this advanced universe they would be infinitely more reliable to run and work on than legged mechs.

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish 2 года назад +30

      Repulsors have massive weaknesses to theater shields and specialized jammers.

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 2 года назад +18

      In addition to what everyone else said, I vaguely recall that there were mines that specifically targeted repulsor tech.
      In essence, walkers were less an alternative to repulsor vehicles, and more a rough-terrain equivalent to wheeled vehicles. Hence the use of AT-ATs on Hoth: you don't need to take out or chase down the entire enemy force, you just need to get close enough that you can take out their shields/anti-aircraft guns, so that you can land the repulsorlift vehicles somewhere too big to mine.

    • @youmukonpaku3168
      @youmukonpaku3168 2 года назад +14

      "the walker advantages include [...] reliability"
      every engineer in the entire galaxy: "you have heard of wheels right?"

    • @Nidhoggrr
      @Nidhoggrr 2 года назад +1

      @@DIEGhostfish That has nothing to do with my point about the "reliability of walking mechs"
      Nothing you point out was in my comment. My comment is CLEARLY about just the complicated nature of vehicles with legs would make them less reliable than something with repulsors.

    • @Nidhoggrr
      @Nidhoggrr 2 года назад

      @Alexander Perkins Has nothing to do with my point on "reliability of walking mechs"
      None of your points have anything to do with my comment which was CLEARLY only about how the complicated nature of a walking mech would be less mechanically reliable than a repulsor.

  • @alexdivision4320
    @alexdivision4320 2 года назад +35

    I'm pretty sure the massive tracks aren't going to impact the field of view that the TIE pilot gets considering they can't see out to their sides anyways both due to the solar panels the cockpit normally would have and the lack of a window anywhere but front

    • @Ushio01
      @Ushio01 2 года назад +7

      Sensors, scanners and advanced optics should give a fine field of view.
      Look at the modern tank the field of view of the driver is just a letterbox sized window directly in-front while the commander gets a periscope called an Independent Thermal Viewer.

    • @basicallyarobloxian4533
      @basicallyarobloxian4533 Год назад +1

      @@Ushio01 the thing with Imperial Ties is there isn't a commander.

  • @kz270392
    @kz270392 2 года назад +30

    Curious enough, a bunch of " every X vehicle" videos were recommended to me like an hour ago. But it's still impresive.

  • @ariktaranis8855
    @ariktaranis8855 2 года назад +20

    to be fair to the AT-PT its twin blaster cannon is on a ball mount so it can take precision shots anywhere in its front arc and potentially hit low flighting air targets

    • @emberfist8347
      @emberfist8347 2 года назад +5

      And it tackles slopes better than an AT-ST.

  • @perciusmandate
    @perciusmandate 2 года назад +33

    The thing about the AT-PT is that it doesn't seem to be a frontline fighting vehicle. I think it's better suited as a light patrol or police/riot control vehicle. It's what you give to the units that aren't facing enough resistance to qualify issuing AT-STs.

    • @yagdtigercommander
      @yagdtigercommander 2 года назад +8

      Yah I see the AT-PT is more your back water everyday kind of policing vehicle that is the area for the empire. That may not always be in use or in combat but on stand by kind of deal. maybe not as well suited as an AT -ST for doing with full on rebel/ terrorist threats. But maybe to ensure that civil un rest just stays to peaceful protest demonstrations and don't turn into rioting and looting.
      Or any crazed sports fans getting too excited by their teams victory or outage due their team losing the play offs or something of popular sport in star wars. so I am thinking AT-PT pilots don't get to do a whole lot lol and may even be part time operators as well.
      It might be a little more interesting to be an AT-ST and AT-DP crew but I suspect they require a bit more experience to operate than an AT-PT so probably an AT- PT could be seen as starter vehicle for Empires mechanized forces or at least one of several options possible. As I have heard that AT-ATs require highly skilled members from the Storm Trooper core to operate or storm troopers that make up the mechanized branch of the imperial military. Even though it is one of the largest and slowest of the Empires Walkers it is considered a coveted position or Its like being apart of an elite tank crew or battalion that going to dominate the enemy on the battlefield at least propaganda wise.
      Where as AT -PT might be considered something lowly imperial conscripts would operate. I am not saying one is better than other at least not every aspect. But AT-PTs kind of come across just your normal ever day imperial walker for policing duties. Like Imperial citizens might look out their windows and be like I guess they had to call in the AT-PT or PT's again to sub do the local gang fights at such and such district 3rd time this week. Where as AT-STs and AT -DPs get involved ands it like okay this seem be escalating rather quickly right now or well that escalated quickly.
      AT-ATs show up and its like someone done fucked up and pissed off the Empire Royally looks like shits about about to get real ugly fast. lol XD.

    • @emberfist8347
      @emberfist8347 2 года назад +3

      The AT-PT was actually built specifically more for scouting than anything else. It wasn't meant for frontline combat.

  • @dynomite101
    @dynomite101 2 года назад +17

    Is the AT-PT the thing that Han, Luke and Lando fight on the Katana dreadnaught in Dark Force Rising?

  • @danielbeshers1689
    @danielbeshers1689 2 года назад +101

    I think all of these make complete sense within the context of the Tarkin Doctrine. The are instantly recognizable as Imperial war machines, and support the goal of using fear to suppress dissent.

    • @OrDuneStudios
      @OrDuneStudios 2 года назад +25

      The proplem with that is the moment they are proven ineffective they are useless as fear making tools.

    • @grazskull8828
      @grazskull8828 2 года назад +14

      @@OrDuneStudios for sure most fear comes from effectiveness not just visable intimidation.

    • @valtersplume3726
      @valtersplume3726 2 года назад +7

      Tarkin Doctrine sucks ass.

    • @FernandoHernandez-jw4yy
      @FernandoHernandez-jw4yy 2 года назад +12

      Having completely ineffective weapons will not intimidate your enemies for long, it will make you a joke and thus have the exact opposite effect.
      The Tarkin Doctrine by itself makes sense, but to intimidate your weapons, ships and vehicles must still be at least reasonable effective in combat while looking intidimating. If they don't, it's not going to work.
      The way you apply that idea here is simply an attempt to retroactively justify bad vehicle desgin by the writers because you don't want anything in SW to be bad. Classic fanboy move.

    • @abraham2172
      @abraham2172 2 года назад +4

      You mean Tarkin ordered ineffective vehicles for the Imperial military on purpose becauss he was a dirty traitor? Yeah, makes sence. The evidence is overwhelming if you think about it.

  • @I_Love_Quokkas
    @I_Love_Quokkas 2 года назад +14

    Almost all of these, except the mini walker, look like something pirates would have put together. Think the starships made by them out of random parts were called Uglies? Can imagine some pirates scavenging a battlefield or abandoned base and putting all of these together to intimidate locals.

  • @tayeevee
    @tayeevee 2 года назад +4

    "We have a fun lighthearted video today", Justin says as a clip from The Empire Strikes Back is played of the Rebels being slaughtered is played

  • @owenparris7490
    @owenparris7490 2 года назад +6

    Man's out here disrespecting my TIE Tank lol. Great video, as always!

  • @CommissarTommy22
    @CommissarTommy22 2 года назад +8

    Veers's hover wheelchair has more tactical applications than a TIE Tank.

    • @emberfist8347
      @emberfist8347 2 года назад +1

      No the TIE Crawler has a very good application. send them in large numbers to overwhelm the enemy.

  • @mbrsart
    @mbrsart 2 года назад +11

    I used to call the AT-PT the AT-TP, because it was about as strong as wet toilet paper in that mission in Rogue Squadron. I haaaaaaaaaaaaated that mission.

  • @DIEGhostfish
    @DIEGhostfish 2 года назад +13

    8:17 Those are called Hydrofoils, they're a thing in real life. And they can work even if repulsor unfriendly areas. also repulsors are hard to build and maybe the World Devastators couldn't make too many just using what they sucked up.

    • @MonkeyJedi99
      @MonkeyJedi99 2 года назад +4

      But these imperial version are WAY to tall. Hit a wave wrong and the thing slams its face into the water at high speed. That'll leave a mark.

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 2 года назад +2

      @@MonkeyJedi99 : Too short and it _still_ smacks a wave face-first, waves can sometimes get 25 ft tall.

  • @rascoehunter3608
    @rascoehunter3608 2 года назад +28

    Maybe if the Tie tank was a mortar tank than it would be more effective.

    • @twotailedavenger
      @twotailedavenger 2 года назад +5

      Like the Wraith in Halo?

    • @rascoehunter3608
      @rascoehunter3608 2 года назад

      @@twotailedavenger yeah kinda.

    • @VorpalDerringer
      @VorpalDerringer 2 года назад +1

      Yeah, extend a platform behind the ball and put some high angle missiles or a mortar there. That mean the lasers are self defense weapons.

    • @rascoehunter3608
      @rascoehunter3608 2 года назад

      @@VorpalDerringer is there any mortar style tanks in Star Wars?

    • @vaelophisnyx9873
      @vaelophisnyx9873 2 года назад +1

      @@rascoehunter3608 artillery does exist but mortars tend to be man-portable version only iirc

  • @jame3shook
    @jame3shook 2 года назад +3

    As I recall from SW lore,
    ...the TIE tank was to employ the "legions" of TIE pilot trainees that washed out. IE, create a vehicle that these failed trainees can pilot with the training already invested....
    The AT-PT was supposedly a hold over from the GAR/Republic AND an armored transport for a unit commander. The AT-PT was doctrinally not to be issued to troops for normal combat as commanders do not normally participate in combat, but rather direct combat.

  • @kabob0077
    @kabob0077 2 года назад +5

    9:51 Don't forget, guns on the sides like a Homeworld ship because I feel only top and bottom would be too limited in their range and targeting.

    • @quox3987
      @quox3987 2 года назад +2

      Or take a note from Somtaaw and use missiles (or in this case torpedoes) to fire in every direction and actively chase enemies rather than miss or be dodged and forgotten.

  • @kabob0077
    @kabob0077 2 года назад +25

    Why do the TIE Crawlers and Maulers exist? Who THOUGHT those were good designs? Sammy may have been right about why they exist but why the hell didn't someone above the designers stop them from making one of the stupidest tank designs ever?

    • @siegel947
      @siegel947 2 года назад +5

      Why the illustrator and author visualize the abominations instead of an futuristic vehicles ahead of it's time...they should have taken notes from the year 1943-1945...👓😶

    • @manticorephoenix
      @manticorephoenix 2 года назад +2

      @@siegel947 touché

    • @manticorephoenix
      @manticorephoenix 2 года назад +4

      Dark Empire was not a good era for design

    • @Smelly556
      @Smelly556 2 года назад +3

      Ok but in action for EAW. The enemy would lose so many infantry units and so many light tanks due to mauler swarm

    • @goodmind4940
      @goodmind4940 2 года назад +2

      @@manticorephoenix you're saying this, but we got Eclipse, Sovereign and other great capital ships out of it

  • @mikd157
    @mikd157 2 года назад +14

    I think the AT-IC would be better if it could actually rotate the turret a full 360

    • @robertharris6092
      @robertharris6092 Год назад

      Yeah... its basically the archer tank destroyer.

  • @blazesapphire58
    @blazesapphire58 2 года назад +8

    At the end of the day, the empire had to save on credits somewhere. Even if they where infinity rich, it was much easier to just reuse some things I guess.

    • @NG-lq8lc
      @NG-lq8lc 2 года назад +5

      But it's a hell of a lot cheaper just to make repulsor technology than to buy the extra materials and high torque motors, not to mention a lot more useful.

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 2 года назад +2

      @@NG-lq8lc : There are anti-repulsor technologies in the EU/Legends, which are also the only place that several of these exist.

    • @stunner9005
      @stunner9005 2 года назад

      They saved money by making cheap technology and saving ammo.

  • @thedragondemands5186
    @thedragondemands5186 2 года назад +6

    The TIE Crawler wasn't supposed to be good, it was supposed to be cheap.

    • @windoverwaves6781
      @windoverwaves6781 2 года назад

      But even if it is supposed to be cheap, it can do much better. Like, even a techie would be better at its job than the AT-PT

  • @DIEGhostfish
    @DIEGhostfish 2 года назад +3

    3:57 TIEs and other ships fire their weapons off-axis all the time in space battles, they don't need to aim the whole vehicle like a real world fixed hull machinegun.

  • @Temerald51
    @Temerald51 2 года назад +18

    Loving these lore videos recently. Keep up the great work Eck! #askeck = Aside from the U-Wing and other well known gunships,was there any Rebel vehicle that was used for military transport/troop insertions? Something along the lines of a real-world C130J or A400M Atlas?

  • @Jo_Mama710
    @Jo_Mama710 2 года назад +14

    It’s like Eck already had these videos premade for uploading and just went with whatever people voted for Lol

  • @markmulder9845
    @markmulder9845 2 года назад +4

    Tie tank: Tie fighter, but tonk
    Tie mauler: Tier fighter, but more tonk
    Skimmer: Could've been better, could've been worse
    ATPT: At-St, but useless
    AT-AT swimmer: wha... why? Just why?

    • @emberfist8347
      @emberfist8347 2 года назад

      The AT-PT is actually useful he ignore that the AT-PT came first and it can tackle slopes better than AT-ST could. Plus it is a scout above all.
      The AT-AT Skimmer isn't a bad design either.

  • @andrewp6387
    @andrewp6387 2 года назад +2

    The word you were looking for on the skimmer is "hydrofoil", I believe

  • @deandies8250
    @deandies8250 2 года назад +1

    "At-pt moving out" has been stuck in my head ever since i heard it.

  • @thomasjenkins5727
    @thomasjenkins5727 2 года назад +3

    "I don't see why you wouldn't just use a repulser-lift vehicle."
    That goes for the walkers too.

    • @emberfist8347
      @emberfist8347 2 года назад +1

      Because Repulsors can't go through shields and some planets give trouble to repulsors like Jabim's electrical fields and planets with non-standard gravity.

  • @TheGelatinousSnake
    @TheGelatinousSnake 2 года назад +6

    The point of all the useless vehicles is that they are cheap and barely effective. The structures of the Empire were almost inteded to encourage infighting. Far better to let underlimgs slug it out with disposable weapons. Less waste and lets you weed out weak commanders.

  • @casbot71
    @casbot71 2 года назад +1

    The Tie Tank and Tie Mauler have a long design linage back to WW2.
    We all remember that Sherman tank treads were strapped to the side of P-51 Mustang fuselages to create ground combat vehicles.

  • @FireFox64000000
    @FireFox64000000 Год назад +2

    The AT-AT swimmer looks like what would happen if say a small rebel group station on a water planet got the wrong order and needed to make do.

  • @rayanderson5797
    @rayanderson5797 2 года назад +3

    I can see one benefit to the TIE Mauler, although a different design would probably be better.
    They could essentially be shock troops. A tiny, cheap tank that you can field a bunch of. They're not that sturdy, but they can shrug off small arms fire and just plow over infantry. For a faction like the empire, seems like it'd have its uses, though a turret that isn't obstructed by the treads would be a big improvement.

  • @nei1mchugh
    @nei1mchugh 2 года назад +6

    I thought for sure the speeder bikes from rise of Skywalker would be in this video. The speeder bikes from return of the Jedi are clearly better in every way

    • @sillerbarly4927
      @sillerbarly4927 2 года назад +3

      Yea the bikes that go 310 mph (500 km/h). And require Jedi like reflexes to not crash into anything that is standing off of the ground.

    • @geraldpfeffer
      @geraldpfeffer 2 года назад +2

      @@sillerbarly4927 I feel like that is more of a top speed than the speed they are typically used at. I think they would be better for more barren environments though.

    • @emberfist8347
      @emberfist8347 2 года назад

      Well they aren't even speeder bikes as they don't use repulsors.

  • @deadtomatoe8949
    @deadtomatoe8949 2 года назад +2

    I can imagine that the TIE Tank is actually based on very first tank concepts here in our reality. If we take a look at for example the british Mark I-IV tanks or the german WW1 tanks it kinda reasembles the big sidetrakcs and the very but angles guns. moving forward in time, I can see non-turreted tank destroyers like a StuG, a Churchill Gun Carriage or the french AMX AC tanks along with the American M6 Heavy tank and the T28/T95 kinda reassembling that look

  • @epicassassin8502
    @epicassassin8502 2 года назад +1

    The sea skimmer thing is probably a hydrofoil, which would come in handy in some scenarios

  • @nikolajsteffensen6578
    @nikolajsteffensen6578 2 года назад +3

    you know. i kind of like the tie mauler and tie crawler (the tie tanks) not because they are good designs. they are pretty bad designs XD but because they show that the empire considered tracked vehicles as something worth investing in. and i love tracked vehicles for sci-fi.

    • @sillerbarly4927
      @sillerbarly4927 2 года назад +1

      I agree with this. Although I am glad we at least have the Occupier tank and it's duel medium laser cannons

  • @BigPo945
    @BigPo945 2 года назад +3

    Love the videos man!

  • @jephthaholt
    @jephthaholt 4 месяца назад

    I love seeing all these old clips of Rouge Squadron. Played that a lot at my friends house when I was a kid.

  • @hallamhal
    @hallamhal 2 года назад +1

    I remember playing the AT PT heist mission on Rogue Squadron and thinking "we're risking our lives to capture those??"

  • @seansmyth6247
    @seansmyth6247 2 года назад +3

    Can we get a video on what if the empire won the battle of jakku? It would be fun to see if the empire could regroup and fight back.

    • @siegel947
      @siegel947 2 года назад

      Good idea...

    • @codename1176
      @codename1176 2 года назад

      or better yet a draw both sides are so badly mauled that both retreat. Then bam a proper imperial remnant that regroups

    • @seansmyth6247
      @seansmyth6247 2 года назад

      Probably wouldn’t use the TIE tank though

  • @gratuitouslurking8610
    @gratuitouslurking8610 2 года назад +4

    The AT-PT is just a Sentinel that forgot leg day and crossfit.

  • @davefrost1724
    @davefrost1724 2 года назад

    Dude, the beginning of your outro is hilarious when causing a play fight with a dog like that

  • @mr.viewer3906
    @mr.viewer3906 2 года назад +2

    8:14 *hydrofoils, I guess? Though, they're possibly more like the hulls on a catamaran.

  • @ErokLobotomist
    @ErokLobotomist 2 года назад +3

    I feel like the TIE tank would be more useful than it gets credit for. Especially if the Empire had made them Modular, so you could swap the wings out for tank treds, repulsors, or even interceptor wings. I used to have a TIE fighter toy as a kid where the wings popped off, I used to think it was an actual feature of TIEs lol

  • @krbacon
    @krbacon 2 года назад +3

    AT-PT was fun in Zahn's series for serving as an anti-boarding craft in that story but certainly beyond that in the Star Wars universe that poor dated design was not much use. The TIE Tank though was a fun one to let players steal in the old WEG D6 game as it made for zany escapes.

  • @CantankerousDave
    @CantankerousDave 2 года назад +1

    My memories of the TIE tank as a 70s kid was that it was from a modular toy concept that other toy lines had - pop the panels off, pop the treads on. The Viper toys from the original Battlestar Galactica did the same thing.

  • @blackc1479
    @blackc1479 2 года назад

    Gotta say man, havent watched any of your vids in a long time, and the quality has improved immeasurably👍

  • @andrewreynolds1864
    @andrewreynolds1864 2 года назад +12

    that AT-AT Ion cannon could indirect fire while advancing. And it still has its forward weapons. Its kinda like the old priest assault gun from ww2.

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 2 года назад +4

      I'm not sure about the cannonicity of _indirect fire_ with an _ion cannon._ I suspect both those and turbolasers were direct-fire only.

    • @Kolonol1
      @Kolonol1 2 года назад

      @@absalomdraconis idk...try standing next to where a turbolasers blast hits...EVERYTHING has some manner of splash...turbolasers were powerful and could leave pretty big craters

    • @patricktinkl4996
      @patricktinkl4996 2 года назад +1

      @@Kolonol1 that's...not how indirect fire works. An area of effect is nice and all but indirect fire really requires a ballistic curve which you by definition can't have with directed energy weapons

    • @Kolonol1
      @Kolonol1 2 года назад

      @@patricktinkl4996 so physics isn't real? XD it just goes into the ground and turns the ground slightly black maybe? Come on man...you gotta be smarter than that...lasers can rip holes through multiple decks of starships and sling people around...didn't you watch the opening battle in ROTS? Venators gets hot by a laser blast and clones/guns and equipment go flying...

    • @patricktinkl4996
      @patricktinkl4996 2 года назад

      @@Kolonol1 how destructive a weapon is doesn't determine if it fires directly or indirectly, so i'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Energy moves in a straight line. It can possibly get to a target behind a wall by punching through or some kind of splash effect but that is still direct fire.

  • @ponyperson7513
    @ponyperson7513 2 года назад +10

    If you do the TIE-Mauler dirty, I'm nuking you from orbit!!

  • @kumardias9348
    @kumardias9348 2 года назад

    I always enjoy seeing Eck analyze star wars unit designs

  • @JMAN-pg4tg
    @JMAN-pg4tg 2 года назад +2

    From what I understand the AT-PT was specifically designed for high gravity environments, planets with gravity so heigh it grounds repulsor lift craft and hampers regular walkers. The bulkier, less articulate design is probably due to that specialization

  • @jaredlasseter7364
    @jaredlasseter7364 2 года назад +4

    The wave skimmer, "prongs/wings" are call hydrofoils & are based on really world tech that's never really taken off

  • @akumaking1
    @akumaking1 2 года назад +3

    Now make a useless Disney canon vehicles video

  • @jdanson4371
    @jdanson4371 2 года назад +1

    After this, I would honestly like to see more useless vehicles from Star Wars. Period. I think it'd be cool to look at any & all of the dumb ships/vehicles from the Republic, CIS, Rebel Alliance, and other factions in star wars.

  • @pablochavez8190
    @pablochavez8190 5 месяцев назад

    i feel like the AT-IC is one of those cases where the "is it practical?" question gets instantly thrown out the window because of how cool it looks

  • @markr.7835
    @markr.7835 2 года назад +6

    Starting to think the front facing laser design is purposeful to keep Imperials from using retreat tactics. If you always have to face your enemy to shoot, it makes retreating a lot less viable if you want to survive.

    • @joaogomes9405
      @joaogomes9405 Год назад

      I'm guessing if you're trying to retreat you're not exactly worrying about firing back, you're just running the opposite way

  • @goroakechi6126
    @goroakechi6126 2 года назад +3

    The TIE is number one.

  • @fefarri1073
    @fefarri1073 2 года назад +1

    i really love the at/pt and its twin blasters are at least very obviously gimballed

  • @nateosborne7361
    @nateosborne7361 Год назад

    Thanks for showing the amazing Animated Dark Empire.

  • @williamnelson5549
    @williamnelson5549 2 года назад +3

    I didn’t even know those phones existed

  • @republicempire446
    @republicempire446 2 года назад +3

    The walkers should have anti-air, engineering, and artillery roles

    • @Basspounder5
      @Basspounder5 2 года назад +1

      The AT-AT does. I know that much.

    • @CoolMyron
      @CoolMyron 2 года назад +1

      Most walkers can change there weapons. So I do know that those things are possible. Like I remember seeing a AT-TE with a AA gun on top and even one with a fully closed caben.

    • @republicempire446
      @republicempire446 2 года назад +1

      @@CoolMyron they can sit behind as artillery role but can build bridges as well

    • @emberfist8347
      @emberfist8347 2 года назад

      @@republicempire446 That is what the UT-AT is for. But it isn't a walker because walkers on bridges are a generally bad idea.

    • @republicempire446
      @republicempire446 2 года назад

      @@emberfist8347 it is unless tall enough to make into a makeshift bridge

  • @lordhosk
    @lordhosk 2 года назад +1

    Wasn't the AT-PT a pre-clone wars republic vehicle? So the only reason the empire used any of them was just on some backwater worlds as a force multiplier while waiting for production to ramp up. This was pre-clone wars TV show so they didn't have the info that the war would create massive amounts of better newer equipment, so this was it.

  • @ultrabrian8151
    @ultrabrian8151 2 года назад +1

    Hey, I remember having a Lego version of the Tie Tread in my childhood.

  • @theemperorcat9832
    @theemperorcat9832 2 года назад +6

    The empire were running out of ideas.... if only they had Jar Jar Binks to help out with the designs 😞

  • @gradenlongan4755
    @gradenlongan4755 2 года назад

    Yes, please do another vid on all type of vehicles

  • @roshango125ab
    @roshango125ab 2 года назад

    I have funny the image in my head of elephant roar of the twin ion engine of the TIE Tank, roaring fiercely as the treads slowly and awkwardly into battle

  • @DGBAntho
    @DGBAntho 2 года назад +3

    E

  • @galeanart7209
    @galeanart7209 2 года назад

    I just cant get bored of the outro

  • @Henskelion
    @Henskelion 2 года назад +1

    The AT-PT is actually a pretty fun weapon to use in the EAW mod Awakening of the Rebellion. It gets smoked by anti-tank weapons super easily, but if you're facing huge mobs of infantry it just mows them down with rapid fire lasers super quickly. Plus, in that mod they gave it a super fast run speed to make it more viable, so it has this funny sprinting animation that looks sort of like a sandpiper, which is cute.

  • @krinkrin5982
    @krinkrin5982 Год назад

    According to the Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, the TIE Tank (or TIE Century as it was officially named) was made after the death of Grand Admiral Thrawn, which would suggest it was thought of as a sort of Volkspanzer of the imperial remnant, the last ditch effort to defend planets against the New Republic's rising power. It was explicitly designed to be cheap and easy to mass-produce, easy to repair, and quick to train the operators for. The book mentions that most of the on-board electronics were the same as in a bog standard TIE fighter, allowing flight school cadets to operate the thing with minimum preparation.

  • @johnmccarron7066
    @johnmccarron7066 2 года назад +1

    I really like the design of the TIE Crawler, specifically because it is so in character for Imperial design philosophy; it's cheap, likely designed by a bureaucratic climber, and could easily overshadow all of its flaws by simply swarming a target (indicating 'success' despite clear drawbacks and disadvantages). It's the kind of hot mess the Empire would brute-force into effectiveness, whether it truly is or not.

  • @leandersearle5094
    @leandersearle5094 2 года назад

    Ek: "It seems like you could design anything as a better sub."
    The SS Turtle, of all things in the universe: "Finally, my time has come."

  • @EclecticBuddha
    @EclecticBuddha Год назад

    As a wrestling fan and former Star wars fan I admire how this channel attempts to Kayfabe writer choices into the universe. It's genuinely entertaining.

  • @nomar5spaulding
    @nomar5spaulding 2 года назад

    Love the footage from Star Wars: Rogue Squadron. Escape from Fest was a fun mission.

  • @unsaved013
    @unsaved013 2 года назад

    EckhartsLadder: Tie Tank and Mauler are useless because the guns only face forward
    StuG: and i took that personally

  • @TheKingofbrooklin
    @TheKingofbrooklin 2 года назад +1

    The TIE-Mauler unlike the Crawler seems to be usefull in its designed role of a fast and manuverable scout vehicle which isnt supposed to attack other vehicle and would only engage soft targets.

  • @juanmc5731
    @juanmc5731 2 года назад +1

    One explanation for all the lousy designs could be Imperial corruption and favoritism.
    A Star Wars short similar to Pentagon Wars would be amazing.

  • @brendanblack7659
    @brendanblack7659 2 года назад +1

    10:10 other reasons the AT-IC is somewhat useful, is that its rear mounted ion canon allows it to go full speed on a retreat, however rare that might be and still fire at the enemy efectively slowing them down and preventing them from chasing u on the retreat

  • @ThreeProphets
    @ThreeProphets 2 года назад +1

    The AT-PT had a very modular weapons platform, capable of mounting a wide variety of direct or support weapons. Instead of needing a bunch of variants, a troop carrier can retrofit their AT-PTs for any mission profile they need

  • @KertaDrake
    @KertaDrake 2 года назад +2

    The TIE Mauler might have actually been a good tank if they had only swapped the top hatch for a turret thanks to having a field of view and looking to be agile enough that having the sides to the rear somewhat obstructed wouldn't matter much. A tank that's built with windows like that obviously isn't built for shooting outside the field of view anyway and there's a reason real life tanks have crews! Having someone both handle the driving AND the gun requires you to change tactics somewhat. A driver trying to drive forward and shoot backward at the same time is a recipe for getting stuck in a building or crashing into another tank!

  • @bobobo2224
    @bobobo2224 2 года назад

    I love the at PT. I even made a model out of scratch of it.

  • @SnepBlepVR
    @SnepBlepVR 2 года назад

    The ATPT in rogue squadron was supposed to also appear on hoth in Battlefront 2(classic) it was scrapped because the map had issues with the mechanic of a vehicle crouching. The ATSTs in that map addressed this because they where smaller size wise

  • @nolanturner5607
    @nolanturner5607 2 года назад +1

    In a pre-Disney Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, the description section of the entry where Eck got the diagram, it said the TIE tank was actually an attempt to make use of fighter corp training washouts. If you're going to sink that much time and effort in a pilot, have to use him somewhere. Thanks @DracoStarcloud for reminding me.

    • @nolanturner5607
      @nolanturner5607 2 года назад

      I know we're talking about Legends, but the aquatic vehicles only appeared in the comics, and the writers and artists took a lot of liberties in story plots and designs.

  • @Yuuzer_
    @Yuuzer_ 2 года назад +1

    the Tie Tank is the greatest feat of engineering in Star Wars though!

  • @mrstabtoxic
    @mrstabtoxic 2 года назад +2

    The tie mauler is fun in empire at war at running over civilians

  • @LickMyRainbow77
    @LickMyRainbow77 2 года назад

    Oh boy, the All Terrain Ion Cannon stirring up all those memories of Kenner’s The Epic Continues proposed toyline. The Epic Continues could make for a neat video (or series of videos depending on how deep you want to go on some of the things). The internet must know of Mongo Beefhead