Okay so apparently Luna's Howl is a precision frame but it's also a 140RPM... meaning that it's EVEN WORSE than I calculated for in the video for LP damage...
@@frogonsizeablelog is this actually real and im just dumb. Recently all my sheets i start by selecting a huge chunk and making it black and then making coloured cells because id rather keep my eyes
Random note for Midnight Coup: The roll I want to chase is firefly/one for all. Precision kill 1 thing, it explodes, gives you 35% damage buff for 10 (enhanced 11) seconds. Seems fun as hell.
@@atheontimesconflux1067 AFAIK one for all just triggers on weapon damage; firefly counts as weapon damage I'm pretty sure, so hitting 2 other targets with the explosion from the 3rd seems like a super easy way to proc it. Excited to try it out next week when midnight coup drops
Great work, Aegis. Few minor errors like the Lunas RPM that people have already pointed out, but that's just the cost of getting such in depth weapon reviews before they release tbf - the alternative is blindly farming for a few days before people have labbed stuff out fully
Even though no one has Mountaintop yet, I think it's pretty safe to say that bottom of S is a good spot for it. Considering it has a great perk pool and received a whopping 21% damage buff... At most I see it maybe moving to high A
Just watched the part about Luna's Howl and I noticed you were counting it as a 180 rpm hand cannon but the brave version is a 140rpm meaning it could end up being alot more viable depending on its stats. Great video either way
i personally don't recommended onslaught on hammerhead. as a heavy weapon it has limited ammo and onslaught increases the rpm per kill and will burn your mag and reserves and not increasing the dmg per bullet. vs killing tally increases the your dmg per bullet for kills for the whole mag.
I know you said Falling Guillotine with double damage perks doesn't beat out Bequest, but what if Vortex frames got a straight damage buff? How much is it lacking to make up the difference?
Honestly, I'd rather vortex swords get a different buff. Give them at least double the range on the heavy attack so it's actually decent for taking out crowds. Make adaptives the choice for single target DPS since the heavy attack is single target Make vortex frames the best for ad clear Make caster frames... uh... cast stuff I guess 🤷♂️
@@TheAegisRelic hi it's me I did the math in the sheet right now because I wanted for DPS, the best Bequest rotation is 138676, and the Falling Guillotine light attacks rotation (best I could find, you don't have one with the heavy because I know it's barely a DPS bump) is 118365. Divide those out and Bequest is 17% better. If Bequest doesn't use heavies it's more like 6% better. IMO it makes more sense to buff the vortex heavy damage, make it huge burst so it has more of a niche versus Bequest. Assuming 2L1H rotation (which is what most of the sword rotations use, including the Death's Razor one), you'd need a third of your attacks to cover a 17% gap, so 42% more damage on the heavy attack. So, with some allowances for things I don't know precisely (like the difference between light attacks and 1H2L on vortexes), you'd need about a 40% buff to heavy attack damage to have Falling Guillotine catch up to Bequest given the optimal situation for both. Realistically I don't think you want it to be as good as Bequest, though, since that's a raid weapon that is unique specifically because it just has an intrinsic damage buff, fwiw. Maybe more like 30% would be more appropriate.
@@jonahbrown5669 the caster frame niche is that unlike other swords, they're not helpless at range. the problem, of course, is that every other weapon in this game is a gun. bows are guns don't at me
Clean analysis, always fun to hear your thoughts on things. I didn't realize that forbearance could get demo now, hype for that. It's such a shame they took osmosis away from succession. Demo + Osmosis + Indomnability would have been hype for Death Throes stacks. Great stuff as always, keep up the good work homie
These are some jaw-dropping spreadsheets! I had a question: in Endgame Analysis, under the Reference tab, it says “(outdated).” What is missing from it? I have a hard time finding objective data on things like damage testing, because a lot of sources tend to offer conflicting results, so I’m always trying to find better info. Huge fan of your work. I’ve watched your 2+ hour video on perk rankings at least twice.
Instant subscribe, like and comment for access to personally view, save, have open the google doc with all this wonderful information. As a returning player and wanting to get ready for multiple playstyles/sets ups for each Aspect this is exactly what I've been looking for. Thank y ou.
Would you ever consider doing complete tier listings for all the primary weapon types? It would be great to see your insight on ALL primaries rather than a small selection. Would be quite the undertaking, but it'd make for plenty of content.
Banger vid as always. I managed to get an EA+BnS/EL Edge Transit early, so I wasn't planning on grinding Onslaught till mountaintop dropped, but I may have to get a Falling Guillotine. I don't gave a good movement sword for like Crota Abyss
I've always been confused looking at this, is the one at the top of each list an actual weapon? If so, what are they since there's no name or picture just 'ideal' or is that just the perfect roll if you could pick and chose from any?
I would LOVE to see magnificent howl on a slug shotgun. essentially a weaker reconstruction that I can maintain for killing medium sized targets. Or on a 72 rpm sniper, that would also probably be good
Is a reconstruction/firing line succession worth using? I dont use snipers basically at all but i got one of these rolls to drop and decided to hold it in case it was usable
Have u ever tried no back up plans with titan for the double shotgun/tractor rotation. Curious if it'll be worth using over a warlock or hunter since it gets a 35% dmg buff
are there any bosses that sticky grenades edge transit would be good to prep or do they all enter with a shield, I am unsure if grasp final boss benefits from sticky
Will there be an update to the BRAVE arsenal weapons in the tier list now that we've gotten to use more of them? I.e. Mountaintop for ad clear (probably not) etc
Great video as usual 2 notes 📝 Dares Weapons did not have all removed perks replaced. Battler for example didn't get adrenaline junkie back to pair with demo. Lunas should not have been brought back with the change they made, as it's just not the same gun. 😢 Same with recluse only working for first 10 rounds😢
Wastelander getting enhanced dual loader made me very happy when I found out. I definitely prefer that over subsistence. (For use with Trench Barrel specifically)
Hey Aegis your content is really dope could you consider zooming in on the spreadsheet for these videos? im sure Im not alone in liking to read all the numbers and even on desktop its pretty hard to do so
@TheAegisRelic can you explain why shoot to loot on retraced is so good? I don't fully understand but what I think is because its a trace and the fact its a special weapon. Please and thank you.
do I still need to grind bequest now that I can get the other half with relentless strikes and enhanced surrounded? It apparently has 10 less impact damage but does that make that big of a difference in damage?
what do you think about new recluse? I am torn between enlightened action desperate measure vs enlightened master of arms. DM is very good when you get it going but MoA feels really consistent and very easy to proc.
Does magnificent howl have a cap? Or is that 10 a guess? Cause if it’s infinite you can just slideshot a bunch of kills then manually reload to have like 20-30+ rounds
To what end? It’s a 140 RPM with no passive damage perks except kinetic tremors, which isn’t buffed by LP. It’s just as bad as any other basic 140. There’s a reason Warden’s Law is superior.
Now that they showed the perks for the exotic class items for all classes and the prismatic showcase from a few weeks ago, are there any combinations for any classes paired with prismatic that you’re excited to test when it releases?
@Aegis can you please give us an update on what perks combinations are you farming or saved for each weapon ? Got even more confuse after watching a video made by fallout where he says that the more blast radius the mountaintop has the less damage it deals, is it the same for the edge transit too? pleaaase make us a guide if you can.
Why is the BRAVE Succession an upgrade to the craftable one? Bray Inheritance is better than Indomitability and the best rolls are the same for both. What am I missing?
Why is Basso Ostinato slept on? Assassin, 1-2 punch literally gets you your entire reserves in 1 mag allowing for infinite 1-2 punch. Hammerhead will also be goated and take the top slot. Not only does Rampage/Killing Tally already blow Commemoration out of the water but if you get the brave version of Hammerhead you can potentially get Rampage/Envious assassin on the same gun allowing you to fill your mag to like 300 shots a clip and then hotswap the perk to rampage/killing tally with an almost endless mag.
circling back to this video, because i like to review older videos to see what i have now… my brave forbearance with demo + wellspring with sunbracers exotic is just unfair. literally insane uptime, infinite grenades.
Ageis when you get a cascade deconstruct edge transit can you test it with stasis malf luckypants?. Put on augmented drum and the magazine will be 7 so 4 mag dumps till its outta ammo, run this with deconstruct and it will shoot 10 shots every burst which is also perfect with cadcade point and stasis hunter as stasis hunter has 3 auto reloads which is whats needed. Then just use the rotation as ult, 17 malf shots, 10 gl, stasis melee, 2 nessas shots, 10gl, dodge, 2 nessas shots, 10gl, 17malf shots, stasis melee, 10gl shots. I rmthink this is very good for 30sec dps phases
@TheAegisRelic how so. 28 shots 26 buffed by bns. That's around a 28% total dmg buff, deconstruct roll is around a 42% total dmg buff. Both require 4 mag dumps, cascade bns should take 8.4 seconds of shooting whilst deconstruct roll should take around 12. 3.6 seconds diff for that much larger of a total dmg bump sounds very worth it. Unless u know something I don't about deconstruct as I still don't fully understand it but 7 rounds in the mag should mean 40 ammo total right?
Are you making a video about which loadouts your team is bringing into Pantheon for each encounter when it drops? I think people would be interested to see what you're looking at using.
Glad the dares weapons got their perks back, wish it happened sooner, my 2 fav weapons were my snapshot kill clip bxr, and the shotty with dual loader and one 2 punch. They lost snapshot and dual loader when they became craftable so i never bothered grinding out the red borders, might now tho
I hope they let envious/cascade keep some portion of the increased mag. Like, even just 1-2 extra shots would be that boost over other options while not being mandatory
good of place as any for letting you know or at least discussing that deconstruct has been fixed on tusk, it can now reproc. I'm wondering if you would change your rating or at least put it in the s tier.
For Hammerhead, I think whilst rampage might be a bit the more obvious pick in the third column, destabilising rounds is a great pick for bonus AOE add clear. Typically destabilising rounds wouldn’t be the play in most high end content, but that’s because you trade of a potential damage perk for other weapons and it’s a bit of an effort to get that initial kill. But Hammerhead as an lmg doesn’t have issue getting that initial kill and has a high tier damage perk in Killing tally.
I’m not sure where you got that number from (no shade thrown btw, I love your content), the non enhanced ICD I’ve seen from personal usage using hero’s burden for ~4K kills is about 3 seconds give or take and the enhanced is around 2 seconds which is what I’ve found while using Age-old bond and Word of Crota. It’s not as good as incandescent or voltshot, but for elemental synergy it’s the best you can get for a void centred perk, but I find that running a damage perk on void primaries outpaces it unless your running dragonfly alongside it for its self detonation of destabilising rounds. Even then, unless you like grape explosions, it’s a better choice to run a damage perk and repulsor brace unless you are very comfortable with only getting headshot kills. But having destabilising with a damage perk, plus adding on its future capability of being enhanceable, I think it’s a viable option which adds something that Commemoration doesn’t have access to. Sorry for the long reply.
@@Seven-Lights so I remember it being an obnoxiously long cooldown when the perk came out, but testing it now, yeah, it's much shorter than I remember. Weird. Do you know if there was a change at some point?
I’ve done some searching and I couldn’t find anything. I had a similar experience when I was using Hero’s burden with destabilising rounds, I didn’t use it for long and swapped back to solar as my main. I can back to void when the last wish weapon reset happened and I used a craft Age-old bond for like 14k kills. I always thought it was the enhanced destabilising that makes the perk feel good, but after using a Title and Recluse with just the normal destabilising, it does seem better, so I’m not sure.
Handling, Reload Speed (if you plan on manually reloading) and reduced Blast Radius all increase your DPS. But it's such a small benefit that it comes down to personal preference. Handling feels better tho, while BR also (very slightly) affects total damage instead of just DPS. I'd say Hard/Quick Launch + Handling MW is optimal, but as long as it feels good to you, it's optimal.
@@krusel1454 thank you. I thought higher blast radius lowered damage, but every light gg grenade launcher has the high blast radius barrel as the most used so I didn’t know who was right.
@@TheAegisRelic Yes, damn man, you got my hopes up lol. I mean It still sounds like a roll I wanna try, but it does suck that its not actually 15% with indomitability with something like Vortex nades.
W video, I hate that this reminded me of the state of kinetic slot legendary traces. I can’t believe we got 2 this season and they’re basically completely inferior to the energy options we have
I thought they fixed decon on the wave frame so now there is no cooldown for the ammo gen? Was just using it in onslaught the other day with infinite ammo working as described.
Currently you can get the ammo refund once using it normally, but after that you need to hit a direct impact and at least one explosion hit to get the refund.
@@life-destiny1196 this was the case before the ITL update. I have sent Aegis a clip of deconstruct refunding ammo infinitely as the description states.
Can someone explain to me the appeal of shoot to loot. I assume that it’s good for speed runners so they don’t have to run around for ammo, but is it good for non speed runners?
Shooting an orb with shoot to loot will also proc any mods on your armour (surges). Triple Cenotaph Warlocks can mark enemies with their traces and all get heavy. Then easily pick up heavy and just run through everything. Shooting ammo automatically loads it into your weapon.
21:30 I’m pretty sure lunas howl is a 140 now, even it’s damage profile. It says 76.74 on D2Foundry per headshot in PvP, which is the same as other 140s on foundry. Might be wrong info though because this website isn’t fully up to date.
Im so mad that explosive payload doesnt halve the shots to activate kinetic tremors. Mag howl needs to refund the shot on precision hits against majors, minibosses, and bosses.
would love to get your thoughts on why posterity isn't in the top primaries/hand cannons section. i know 180s aren't the greatest archetype, but frenzy+voltshot and one of the best origin traits in the game is really special. personally i think it's infinitely better than nation of beasts
last thing- idk if you've covered in in any videos, but the dual loader buff certainly has a place on a few weapons- enhanced version loads 3, and previously this was only ragnhild, but it just got added back to wastelander in the dares weapon perk re-add, where i think its a lot more viable
Posterity was mentioned a lot in that discussion - it was a solid third place, but I'm willing to retry it out at some point to see if I like it more, definitely good overall. Thanks for pointing out the error on Multimach, I think I accidentally copied the Heliocentric trait over. I've talked about Dual Loader buff and moved it up in the tier list semi-recently :)
Okay so apparently Luna's Howl is a precision frame but it's also a 140RPM... meaning that it's EVEN WORSE than I calculated for in the video for LP damage...
"Oh wait, Luna's being serious? Let me laugh even harder!"
I was about to comment about this but you got to it first lol.
iirc it does the same damage as an adaptive though.
It deals the same damage as a 140, just has the manageable recoil (and I believe airborne effectiveness) of a 180
Lunas howl has the same impact as fate bringer tho.
as a fellow spreadsheet user i wish someone at google would understand how cripplingly bright google sheets is
i would love to read this comment but i have gone blind from google sheets
there are definitely extensions for this
Excel clear
@@frogonsizeablelog is this actually real and im just dumb. Recently all my sheets i start by selecting a huge chunk and making it black and then making coloured cells because id rather keep my eyes
@@MrAhdsDark Reader
Random note for Midnight Coup: The roll I want to chase is firefly/one for all. Precision kill 1 thing, it explodes, gives you 35% damage buff for 10 (enhanced 11) seconds. Seems fun as hell.
Wait, if it works like that I might actually use OFA more often
@@atheontimesconflux1067 AFAIK one for all just triggers on weapon damage; firefly counts as weapon damage I'm pretty sure, so hitting 2 other targets with the explosion from the 3rd seems like a super easy way to proc it. Excited to try it out next week when midnight coup drops
iirc this was the preferred roll on Doom of Chelchis and was nerfed so Firefly/EP didn't instantly proc OFA
@@v.s.3196 Just tried it out yesterday. It works the way bbaggins said
@@rileywelch2004 it might have just been for EP then, that's good to know
Edging to this rn
Same bro. On my second playthrough now
Brave edging or standard edge?
Same
Lmfao 😂
Bro???
Really do appreciate these videos. I’ve taken large breaks on and off from D2, so having these videos really help with getting back into the game :)
I didn't watch the whole video, however I liked the video because you put so much effort in the excel. Thank you.
Great work, Aegis. Few minor errors like the Lunas RPM that people have already pointed out, but that's just the cost of getting such in depth weapon reviews before they release tbf - the alternative is blindly farming for a few days before people have labbed stuff out fully
Yeah I'm a Y4 player so I never played with old Luna's lol
Even though no one has Mountaintop yet, I think it's pretty safe to say that bottom of S is a good spot for it. Considering it has a great perk pool and received a whopping 21% damage buff... At most I see it maybe moving to high A
Just watched the part about Luna's Howl and I noticed you were counting it as a 180 rpm hand cannon but the brave version is a 140rpm meaning it could end up being alot more viable depending on its stats. Great video either way
140 would make it worse for LP
I like the Tusk of the Boar for slicing in GMs when I run with randoms
Slice + Decon goes crazy with weavers trance active
@@cobefriend7797 I prefer hatchling with slice but they are all really good.
I love these videos so much, keep up the consistency.
i personally don't recommended onslaught on hammerhead. as a heavy weapon it has limited ammo and onslaught increases the rpm per kill and will burn your mag and reserves and not increasing the dmg per bullet. vs killing tally increases the your dmg per bullet for kills for the whole mag.
Honestly ammo econ is not really a big deal these days but yes it doesn't increase your total damage like a traditional perk
Luna is a 140
That's how you know Aegis didn't test shit
It hasnt been a 180 RPM since Season of Opulence...
@@EricPimpihe doesn’t need to lol
@@EricPimpithe gun isn’t out yet he can’t test it lol
Yeah pinned comment mb
I know you said Falling Guillotine with double damage perks doesn't beat out Bequest, but what if Vortex frames got a straight damage buff? How much is it lacking to make up the difference?
We'll talk then :P but you can do the math in the sheet right now if you want
Honestly, I'd rather vortex swords get a different buff. Give them at least double the range on the heavy attack so it's actually decent for taking out crowds.
Make adaptives the choice for single target DPS since the heavy attack is single target
Make vortex frames the best for ad clear
Make caster frames... uh... cast stuff I guess 🤷♂️
@@TheAegisRelic hi it's me I did the math in the sheet right now because I wanted
for DPS, the best Bequest rotation is 138676, and the Falling Guillotine light attacks rotation (best I could find, you don't have one with the heavy because I know it's barely a DPS bump) is 118365. Divide those out and Bequest is 17% better. If Bequest doesn't use heavies it's more like 6% better.
IMO it makes more sense to buff the vortex heavy damage, make it huge burst so it has more of a niche versus Bequest. Assuming 2L1H rotation (which is what most of the sword rotations use, including the Death's Razor one), you'd need a third of your attacks to cover a 17% gap, so 42% more damage on the heavy attack.
So, with some allowances for things I don't know precisely (like the difference between light attacks and 1H2L on vortexes), you'd need about a 40% buff to heavy attack damage to have Falling Guillotine catch up to Bequest given the optimal situation for both.
Realistically I don't think you want it to be as good as Bequest, though, since that's a raid weapon that is unique specifically because it just has an intrinsic damage buff, fwiw. Maybe more like 30% would be more appropriate.
Oh, and Bequest obviously would still have a massive total damage lead due to Relentless Strikes.
@@jonahbrown5669 the caster frame niche is that unlike other swords, they're not helpless at range. the problem, of course, is that every other weapon in this game is a gun.
bows are guns don't at me
Also, special ammo weapons with demo get 20% per kill so with Indomibility, it's exceeding that. Great vid!
Not all specials, only some
Clean analysis, always fun to hear your thoughts on things.
I didn't realize that forbearance could get demo now, hype for that.
It's such a shame they took osmosis away from succession. Demo + Osmosis + Indomnability would have been hype for Death Throes stacks.
Great stuff as always, keep up the good work homie
Ive never busted my pants so hard watching a video. Instant subscribe! Keep up the por... Content.. content
Cleanup on aisle my pants
Love your work! Keep it up!
even with the additional slot expansion in the vault coming out, it ain't enough! so many good weapons combos coming out!
These are some jaw-dropping spreadsheets! I had a question: in Endgame Analysis, under the Reference tab, it says “(outdated).” What is missing from it? I have a hard time finding objective data on things like damage testing, because a lot of sources tend to offer conflicting results, so I’m always trying to find better info.
Huge fan of your work. I’ve watched your 2+ hour video on perk rankings at least twice.
I haven't updated some of the damage values lol that was for when I was looking at primary range values to hash out archetype evaluation
Instant subscribe, like and comment for access to personally view, save, have open the google doc with all this wonderful information.
As a returning player and wanting to get ready for multiple playstyles/sets ups for each Aspect this is exactly what I've been looking for. Thank y ou.
Glad to hear it
Would you ever consider doing complete tier listings for all the primary weapon types? It would be great to see your insight on ALL primaries rather than a small selection. Would be quite the undertaking, but it'd make for plenty of content.
There are far too many old irrelevant primaries unfortunately
Banger vid as always. I managed to get an EA+BnS/EL Edge Transit early, so I wasn't planning on grinding Onslaught till mountaintop dropped, but I may have to get a Falling Guillotine. I don't gave a good movement sword for like Crota Abyss
Ikelos smg isnt worth using anymore or trying to get a crafted one?
There are similar SMGs that are easier to get
Subjunctive is easier to get imo and it has stats for all which is amazing and I like the recoil of 900’s more
hey aegis did you see retraced path got shoot to loot back?
It's in the thumbnail
@@Y.o.s.hhe’s joking because aegis made a joke specifically about people saying this exact thing in comments, literally word for word
Maybe I missed it, was master of arms addressed? Basically a PvP perk at this point right? Instant activation but no handling/reload buffs
Oh crap I forgot to add that, it's in D
I've always been confused looking at this, is the one at the top of each list an actual weapon? If so, what are they since there's no name or picture just 'ideal' or is that just the perfect roll if you could pick and chose from any?
Yeah theoretical perfect
@@TheAegisRelic righttt, makes much more sense now. Think i just had a bot moment when trying to look at it lmao. Appreciate the work you do, thanks
I would LOVE to see magnificent howl on a slug shotgun. essentially a weaker reconstruction that I can maintain for killing medium sized targets. Or on a 72 rpm sniper, that would also probably be good
Seeing Truthteller at D hurt, thats my go to on any super hard solo activities: disorienting nades, ALH, quickdraw
Blinding GLs are all pretty decent with ALH, don't feel too bad
Been waiting for this video thank you brother 😁🙌🏿!!!
Is a reconstruction/firing line succession worth using? I dont use snipers basically at all but i got one of these rolls to drop and decided to hold it in case it was usable
It's alright as a stand-in but other snipers are better (specifically Supremacy)
Have u ever tried no back up plans with titan for the double shotgun/tractor rotation. Curious if it'll be worth using over a warlock or hunter since it gets a 35% dmg buff
Yeah but usually not worth given Lumina
are there any bosses that sticky grenades edge transit would be good to prep or do they all enter with a shield, I am unsure if grasp final boss benefits from sticky
Not really sure, I haven't tested Sticky Edge yet
Will there be an update to the BRAVE arsenal weapons in the tier list now that we've gotten to use more of them? I.e. Mountaintop for ad clear (probably not) etc
Not yet
Thank you for covering all dares weapons and tier list stuff because no one noticed until like 1 hour ago today
Before u posted the video
Great video as usual 2 notes 📝
Dares Weapons did not have all removed perks replaced. Battler for example didn't get adrenaline junkie back to pair with demo.
Lunas should not have been brought back with the change they made, as it's just not the same gun. 😢 Same with recluse only working for first 10 rounds😢
Wastelander getting enhanced dual loader made me very happy when I found out. I definitely prefer that over subsistence. (For use with Trench Barrel specifically)
Hey Aegis your content is really dope could you consider zooming in on the spreadsheet for these videos? im sure Im not alone in liking to read all the numbers and even on desktop its pretty hard to do so
Yeah I'm not gonna lie I realized that after uploading the video like "hey this table only covers a third of the screen"
@TheAegisRelic can you explain why shoot to loot on retraced is so good? I don't fully understand but what I think is because its a trace and the fact its a special weapon. Please and thank you.
It's a quality of life thing, I suggest trying it out in your day to day and you might find yourself liking it
do I still need to grind bequest now that I can get the other half with relentless strikes and enhanced surrounded? It apparently has 10 less impact damage but does that make that big of a difference in damage?
Yes, unfortunately other half does do considerably less DPS and total damage than bequest.
Just finished, thanks👍🍒
what do you think about new recluse? I am torn between enlightened action desperate measure vs enlightened master of arms. DM is very good when you get it going but MoA feels really consistent and very easy to proc.
DM is way better than MoA imo
Does magnificent howl have a cap? Or is that 10 a guess? Cause if it’s infinite you can just slideshot a bunch of kills then manually reload to have like 20-30+ rounds
10 is the cap
How well does Midnight Coup compare to Warden's Law with Lucky Pants against bosses (assuming non-taken, so no malfeasance)?
To what end? It’s a 140 RPM with no passive damage perks except kinetic tremors, which isn’t buffed by LP. It’s just as bad as any other basic 140. There’s a reason Warden’s Law is superior.
is the other half relentless / surrounded enhanced the same as bequest or is bequest still the better dps option (crota)?
Bequest higher impact
wouldn't kinetic tremors/one for all be a notable combo for the new hung jury?
Meh I don't really like One for All too much but yeah it's usable
For a voidlock build recluse with repulsor brace and destab rounds, or just slot desperate measures in?
I would do Repulsor Frenzy personally because stats
Now that they showed the perks for the exotic class items for all classes and the prismatic showcase from a few weeks ago, are there any combinations for any classes paired with prismatic that you’re excited to test when it releases?
Hunter with Combination Blow, grapple, and Syntho+Cowl
@@TheAegisRelic that was the one I was most excited to try out too actually! Hunters might be able to outdo BoW wormgod titans we shall see.
@Aegis can you please give us an update on what perks combinations are you farming or saved for each weapon ? Got even more confuse after watching a video made by fallout where he says that the more blast radius the mountaintop has the less damage it deals, is it the same for the edge transit too? pleaaase make us a guide if you can.
Check spreadsheet for current rolls
i think the god roll for midnight coup is explo desperate measures over frenzy considering how easy it is to prock and keep up
OfA > DM
Do you plan on keeping multiple retraced paths or just one for demo?
One I already got rid of the rest
Ohhh yes! An Excel chart of data! I love it ❤
Why is the BRAVE Succession an upgrade to the craftable one? Bray Inheritance is better than Indomitability and the best rolls are the same for both. What am I missing?
Slightly better perks and low fire rate Succession Bray is meh
Why is Basso Ostinato slept on? Assassin, 1-2 punch literally gets you your entire reserves in 1 mag allowing for infinite 1-2 punch.
Hammerhead will also be goated and take the top slot. Not only does Rampage/Killing Tally already blow Commemoration out of the water but if you get the brave version of Hammerhead you can potentially get Rampage/Envious assassin on the same gun allowing you to fill your mag to like 300 shots a clip and then hotswap the perk to rampage/killing tally with an almost endless mag.
Basso is fine, LFG over Envious imo
The Envious swap is a pretty cool idea, honestly not something I thought about
what about Hung Jury with shoot to loot in 3 and kinetic tremors in 4, adept version? Is it better than shoot to loot + explosive payload?
Situational
circling back to this video, because i like to review older videos to see what i have now… my brave forbearance with demo + wellspring with sunbracers exotic is just unfair. literally insane uptime, infinite grenades.
Ageis when you get a cascade deconstruct edge transit can you test it with stasis malf luckypants?. Put on augmented drum and the magazine will be 7 so 4 mag dumps till its outta ammo, run this with deconstruct and it will shoot 10 shots every burst which is also perfect with cadcade point and stasis hunter as stasis hunter has 3 auto reloads which is whats needed. Then just use the rotation as ult, 17 malf shots, 10 gl, stasis melee, 2 nessas shots, 10gl, dodge, 2 nessas shots, 10gl, 17malf shots, stasis melee, 10gl shots.
I rmthink this is very good for 30sec dps phases
If anything you would do Cascade BnS not Decon
@TheAegisRelic how so. 28 shots
26 buffed by bns. That's around a 28% total dmg buff, deconstruct roll is around a 42% total dmg buff. Both require 4 mag dumps, cascade bns should take 8.4 seconds of shooting whilst deconstruct roll should take around 12. 3.6 seconds diff for that much larger of a total dmg bump sounds very worth it. Unless u know something I don't about deconstruct as I still don't fully understand it but 7 rounds in the mag should mean 40 ammo total right?
Total damage is largely irrelevant but with Cascade included it's not that bad, I'm doing some testing so you'll get word from me soon
@TheAegisRelic thx man.
Do you have a wish list for DIM that we could import?
I think there's one in my Discord but I'll make one at some point
Just came back to Destiny 2 after leaving shortly after Lightfall.... what weapons and other things should I prioritize getting for "meta" loadouts?
I'll make another video about this soon
@@TheAegisRelic wooooooot can’t wait!
Are you making a video about which loadouts your team is bringing into Pantheon for each encounter when it drops? I think people would be interested to see what you're looking at using.
Probably just our day 1 loadouts, similar to Crota
Bungie patch Tusk of the boar, deconstruct now works as intended. Does that changes anything?
Yeah list got updated
I like that Desperate Measures serves as a Killing Tally alternate for primaries/specials.
Very good perk in my opinion.
Can someone explain the Shoot to Loot meta? I feel like I'm missing something. Is it the free reloads?
Yeah it's a really good quality of life perk for people that like to play fast
Great video, is there any chance I could get my hands on this spreadsheet?
It’s in the comments👍
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Glad the dares weapons got their perks back, wish it happened sooner, my 2 fav weapons were my snapshot kill clip bxr, and the shotty with dual loader and one 2 punch. They lost snapshot and dual loader when they became craftable so i never bothered grinding out the red borders, might now tho
Ah, my opinion ha arrived, splendid!
For the ideal trace, would a solar shoot to loot+adaptive munitions not be up there? That would be perfect for cenos
Adaptive is fine but not super necessary I think Shoot/LFG would be insane
Guys are you able to Switch mags and barrel on edge transit in the final shape?
I think so? Not MW tho iirc
@@TheAegisRelic They said no to this; that's staying a raid adept exclusive
I hope they let envious/cascade keep some portion of the increased mag. Like, even just 1-2 extra shots would be that boost over other options while not being mandatory
does explosive payload make kinect tremors activate earlier? that would make midnight coup broken
Apparently not
Genuine question - why is shoot to loot so valuable on trace rifles? :)
Very good QoL perk, but if it's not your thing, I get it
I live and breathe aegis videos
Hi im not really into speedrunning at all, why is recombination so good?
get a bunch of kills with forbearance or whatever -> double damage sniper shot on some distant target that needs taken out quickly
@@life-destiny1196 oh ok that makes sense
good of place as any for letting you know or at least discussing that deconstruct has been fixed on tusk, it can now reproc. I'm wondering if you would change your rating or at least put it in the s tier.
I've been informed, tier list has been updated :P
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Me: Yeah , they're the new meta. 😂
For Hammerhead, I think whilst rampage might be a bit the more obvious pick in the third column, destabilising rounds is a great pick for bonus AOE add clear. Typically destabilising rounds wouldn’t be the play in most high end content, but that’s because you trade of a potential damage perk for other weapons and it’s a bit of an effort to get that initial kill. But Hammerhead as an lmg doesn’t have issue getting that initial kill and has a high tier damage perk in Killing tally.
Destabilising has a 7s(?) ICD which makes it much less spammable than I'd like
I’m not sure where you got that number from (no shade thrown btw, I love your content), the non enhanced ICD I’ve seen from personal usage using hero’s burden for ~4K kills is about 3 seconds give or take and the enhanced is around 2 seconds which is what I’ve found while using Age-old bond and Word of Crota. It’s not as good as incandescent or voltshot, but for elemental synergy it’s the best you can get for a void centred perk, but I find that running a damage perk on void primaries outpaces it unless your running dragonfly alongside it for its self detonation of destabilising rounds. Even then, unless you like grape explosions, it’s a better choice to run a damage perk and repulsor brace unless you are very comfortable with only getting headshot kills. But having destabilising with a damage perk, plus adding on its future capability of being enhanceable, I think it’s a viable option which adds something that Commemoration doesn’t have access to. Sorry for the long reply.
@@Seven-Lights so I remember it being an obnoxiously long cooldown when the perk came out, but testing it now, yeah, it's much shorter than I remember. Weird. Do you know if there was a change at some point?
I’ve done some searching and I couldn’t find anything. I had a similar experience when I was using Hero’s burden with destabilising rounds, I didn’t use it for long and swapped back to solar as my main. I can back to void when the last wish weapon reset happened and I used a craft Age-old bond for like 14k kills. I always thought it was the enhanced destabilising that makes the perk feel good, but after using a Title and Recluse with just the normal destabilising, it does seem better, so I’m not sure.
If it has a lower ICD now I'd definitely be willing to reevaluate because it'd be a great perk then
Just the other day I was looking the Endgame chart looking for the Trace Rifles section, and I didnt saw it. Thanks Aegis for hear me
I’ve heard conflicting answers all over the place. What is best barrel and masterwork for a heavy GL like edge transit?
Handling, Reload Speed (if you plan on manually reloading) and reduced Blast Radius all increase your DPS. But it's such a small benefit that it comes down to personal preference. Handling feels better tho, while BR also (very slightly) affects total damage instead of just DPS. I'd say Hard/Quick Launch + Handling MW is optimal, but as long as it feels good to you, it's optimal.
@@krusel1454 thank you. I thought higher blast radius lowered damage, but every light gg grenade launcher has the high blast radius barrel as the most used so I didn’t know who was right.
@@michaelferrarini1463 it's because high blast radius is great for PvP. That probably skewed the data since GLs are still popular there too
Quick + Spike + Aug/Mini (oh yeah and handling)
What tier would indomitability move to if Prismatic triggers both parts of the effect?
Still same, melee energy not that valuable
I'm feeling Luna's with MH tbh considering it's a 140 with that damage profile. Just gotta wait and see when we have it
Isn't demolitionist nerfed though ? Its not actually 10% if you use different grenades.
Oh yeah I forgot they changed how ability scaling works, depends on your nade type then
@@TheAegisRelic Yes, damn man, you got my hopes up lol. I mean It still sounds like a roll I wanna try, but it does suck that its not actually 15% with indomitability with something like Vortex nades.
Ok so what does a deconstruct edge transit total dammage look like just out of curiosity
About double vs. no perk
W video, I hate that this reminded me of the state of kinetic slot legendary traces. I can’t believe we got 2 this season and they’re basically completely inferior to the energy options we have
do you still want low blast radius with spike nades?
Yeah but the diff is not much
Wait wouldnt the other half do as much damage as the bequest now since we can craft it with relentles and surrounded.
Bequest has higher impact
Have you considered adding an enhanceable column to be able to mark weapons that aren't craftable but are enhanceable in TFS?
Yeah maybe worth
One thing to note. Lunas Howl (Brave Version) should be 140 rpm as mentioned in the stream and in the database. I believe that this may change things
Makes it worse for LP damage but yeah
Should I go for firefly or explosive on midnight coup
Both have their moments I would say, try both
I thought they fixed decon on the wave frame so now there is no cooldown for the ammo gen? Was just using it in onslaught the other day with infinite ammo working as described.
I don't believe they did?
Currently you can get the ammo refund once using it normally, but after that you need to hit a direct impact and at least one explosion hit to get the refund.
@@life-destiny1196 this was the case before the ITL update. I have sent Aegis a clip of deconstruct refunding ammo infinitely as the description states.
@@AsianSadge That is how the gun has been behaving for me in Onslaught, so idk what's up.
Yeah, it's working in Grasp now. Maybe stuff was dying to other things I wasn't realizing?
if you could only pick 2 brave weapons to grind which ones would they be
Mountaintop and Edge Transit not even close
So for edge transit deconstruct is not dps meta right?
No lol
Can someone explain to me the appeal of shoot to loot. I assume that it’s good for speed runners so they don’t have to run around for ammo, but is it good for non speed runners?
Try it! You might get hooked :P
Shooting an orb with shoot to loot will also proc any mods on your armour (surges). Triple Cenotaph Warlocks can mark enemies with their traces and all get heavy. Then easily pick up heavy and just run through everything. Shooting ammo automatically loads it into your weapon.
another theAegisRelic tierlist video letsgo
21:30 I’m pretty sure lunas howl is a 140 now, even it’s damage profile. It says 76.74 on D2Foundry per headshot in PvP, which is the same as other 140s on foundry.
Might be wrong info though because this website isn’t fully up to date.
Yeah it is, see pinned comment
@@TheAegisRelic ahh ok cool
Eager edging to this rn
Can someone link the spreadheet? The project link just tells me to update my browser.
It's a drive link
Im so mad that explosive payload doesnt halve the shots to activate kinetic tremors.
Mag howl needs to refund the shot on precision hits against majors, minibosses, and bosses.
why are some of the "ideal" weapons on the spreadsheet stasis what advantage does that have
For Ballidorse - this has since changed and I haven't updated some of them
watching videos like this makes me so sad that i never got good enough to do non-trivial missions in D2 :(
would love to get your thoughts on why posterity isn't in the top primaries/hand cannons section. i know 180s aren't the greatest archetype, but frenzy+voltshot and one of the best origin traits in the game is really special. personally i think it's infinitely better than nation of beasts
also you have the wrong origin trait on multimach
last thing- idk if you've covered in in any videos, but the dual loader buff certainly has a place on a few weapons- enhanced version loads 3, and previously this was only ragnhild, but it just got added back to wastelander in the dares weapon perk re-add, where i think its a lot more viable
Posterity was mentioned a lot in that discussion - it was a solid third place, but I'm willing to retry it out at some point to see if I like it more, definitely good overall. Thanks for pointing out the error on Multimach, I think I accidentally copied the Heliocentric trait over. I've talked about Dual Loader buff and moved it up in the tier list semi-recently :)