How Much Did My Lumber Kiln Cost? You Might Be Surprised $

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  • @OutoftheWoods0623
    @OutoftheWoods0623  Год назад +6

    Moisture meter used in video amzn.to/46XEJO3

  • @bobwollard9105
    @bobwollard9105 Год назад +21

    Nathan, I really enjoy watching as you work on the mill or just around your land. But, I really do appreciate it when you stop and share all of the information concerning the kiln and air drying operations. I own a couple of hundred acres in the forest lands of east Texas. My goal is to start harvesting, milling and drying lumber for my woodworking operations. Thank you so much for sharing the incredibly useful information about these operations. Have a great one, friend.

  • @snobear41
    @snobear41 Год назад +19

    Well Nathan, the good news about having the black snake is you won't have any copperheads around and that my friend is a GOOD thing!- Tyler

  • @skyhawksailor8736
    @skyhawksailor8736 Год назад +6

    Nathan, I really love listening to you talk about the drying charts. As a Senior in High School in 1976 I worked for Wells Fargo as a guard at Memphis Hardwood, the makers of Chickasaw Hardwood flooring. The building the security guards used during the off hours was where the plant manager's office was, along with other offices and work rooms. This is also where the persons who calculated the drying charts worked from. As the lumber was loaded onto the all steel dollies on rails, the person in charge of checking the moisture level would cut samples, as the workers were stacking the lumber onto two sets of four wheel dollies. As the dollies got full they would push it onto the transfer table. The transfer table could hold about four stacks. The transfer table had about 300 feet of travel to be able to store the stacks in the storage area, and move them from the storage area to the staging area in front of the doors of the short kilns. For the long kilns, they did not have a staging area, and had to stage these kiln loads in the storage area. From the stacking shack they would move the stacks to a storage area on the highway side of the transfer table. I looked on Google Earth Pro and was able to measure the kilns and the storage yard for the rail dollies with lumber ready for the kilns. I used the 2003 satellite picture to measure the kilns, transfer table and the storage area. I measured the stacks in the storage area to be eight feet wide by as long as 12 feet long. I do not remember the actual number of kilns they had, but they had two lengths of kilns, and I think each kiln was 10-12 feet wide. The short kilns were 148 feet long and there was 200 feet width worth of kilns, so as many as 20 short kilns. The long kilns were 225 feet long and they are 80 feet wide.
    After the stack was ready to leave the stacking shed the man would mark the stack and the bag of samples. He would take them to the office where there were some small steam kilns, heated from the same boiler which drove the production kilns. The fuel for the boiler was all the scrap cuttings and sawdust from the plant. Besides the security guard on the second and third shift, there was also a boiler fireman. The man would take the samples to the office and using the small band saw, cut slots in them all the way across the sample. He would weigh them and put them in the little kiln in the office. The next morning he would weigh them to get the moisture content and calculate how slow to bring the kiln to temperature, how long to keep at temperature and the cool down time and speed. He also told me I could use one of the small kilns to heat my lunch. One day I took a can of ready to eat soup to eat and put it in the kiln, but did not know to cut a slot in the lid. The can was bulging when I went to eat it. The next time I punched the top with the can opener before I put it in the kiln.
    The man who calculated the drying time would then have stacks with the same moisture content then staged in front of the kiln they would be pushed into. Once the kiln was cooled down the the dried stacks were ready to be pushed out, they used an old surplus Naval Air tow tractor, to push the new stack into the kiln. As he was pushing the stacks into the kiln the green lumber stacks were pushing the dry stacks out of the kiln to the transfer table on the other side of the kiln, which was inside the plant. As the transfer table got full they stopped and moved the stacks to the area in the plant to put each board onto the conveyor belt to start being processed. As these stacks were being moved the man pushing the green stacks would get more green stacks to keep pushing into the kiln. They kept repeating till all the dry wood was removed and the kiln was full of green wood. They then closed both ends of the kiln and the man would start the slow rise of the kiln temperature. if you look there are two control buildings on top of the kilns where they controlled and monitored all the kilns.
    To find the old Memphis Hardwood location go to Google Earth Pro and set the Historical Imagery to 2/2003. Find where highway 51 crosses over the Wolf River. About two blocks South of the Wolf river on the West side of Highway 51, is a curved warehouse with half of the roof is white the other half is brown. It is labeled "Hhh Distribution", Memphis Hardwood is the next property South of the white section of the roof ends.

  • @texasjetman
    @texasjetman Год назад +11

    That’s some good information Nathan. I am hearing Whiskey Barrel makers are running short on white oak. So premium prices on the way. No I could not handle the snake at my feet and remain as calm as you did well done.

  • @olleroma
    @olleroma Год назад +4

    Great info on air drying, thanks Nathan.

  • @texasjetman
    @texasjetman Год назад +2

    By golly I watched again with adds because you are 100% worth my time Nathan Elliott. Not because we share ancestors on my grandmother side but because you are awesome 🤠🇺🇸✝️

    • @OutoftheWoods0623
      @OutoftheWoods0623  Год назад +2

      I appreciate it👍👍

    • @texasjetman
      @texasjetman Год назад +1

      @@OutoftheWoods0623 hands Down 100% you are my favorite creator. Your so real and I can wait to meet you in person someday ❤️🤠🇺🇸🙏

    • @OutoftheWoods0623
      @OutoftheWoods0623  Год назад

      I am more anxious than you buddy

  • @gruntqueen
    @gruntqueen Год назад +1

    I learn something new every time you post. I may never use what I learn, but then again, I might.

  • @slonefactor
    @slonefactor Год назад +5

    Very informative and well spoken advise on drying wood...excellent video Nathan.

  • @daviddifonzo7938
    @daviddifonzo7938 Год назад +1

    Thanks. I appreciate when you talk dollar numbers.

  • @steveshoemaker6347
    @steveshoemaker6347 Год назад +1

    Thanks Nathan for the $$$$$$$$ break down on cost 👍

  • @lordkanti8260
    @lordkanti8260 Месяц назад

    I’ve never been impressed by classic cars or expensive watches but machines like this is what it’s all about. 😍

  • @johnwinsemius4423
    @johnwinsemius4423 Год назад +3

    Thank you very much for this video. You basically answered my questions.Again you explain things for a simple minded old timer. Fancy words don't cut it with me, I work with the method of K.I.S.S.

  • @justjane2070
    @justjane2070 Год назад +1

    Thank you Nathan. That was very interesting 🌲🌳🌲🌳

  • @MyDogmatix
    @MyDogmatix Год назад +4

    Ever get dead snakes when you crack open the kiln?
    (Edit addition). Btw! These long videos, explaining what you do, are some of the best videos! I’m just a city craftsman carpenter and I love this stuff and live vicariously with these vid’s.

  • @juliehenry5353
    @juliehenry5353 Год назад +2

    I was an incoming material inspector for the cabinetry company I worked for - I would have to go to the Demension Mills ( we had 2 ) when we were having problems - boy did I learn a lot - ialso spread my new knowledge to other Co workers so the would understand the difference between a Finish Mill and a Rough Mill.😊

  • @allanb9360
    @allanb9360 Год назад +3

    That was very informative. And, snakes on the plain as well👍🇨🇦

  • @refurbansuburban
    @refurbansuburban Год назад +1

    Excellent demonstration and information. I thank you kindly.

  • @jeffpeters1014
    @jeffpeters1014 Год назад +1

    Very informative, most folks have no idea what it takes to produce quality dried lumber.

    • @texasjetman
      @texasjetman Год назад

      He sure takes his time explaining every detail that truly helps us that have zero experience in the sawyer lumber business. Truly have learned a lot from him over the years watching his channel.

  • @DavidMoonWainwright
    @DavidMoonWainwright Год назад

    Nathan, 20 years ago when we lived in Missouri, we had some kitchen cabinets made by a local cabinetmaker. Just as he was finishing them up, he came across some termite runs through the ash. Now, I don't know if he got the lumber from a yard or a small mill, but he came to us very upset. He was going to burn all the cabinets! We ended up installing them in the mudroom instead and he remade the kitchen cabinets. Not sure, but I believe wherever he got the lumber from made it right. Got to be careful! Use the kilns!

  • @jormbell3
    @jormbell3 Год назад +1

    Thank you for your explanation of the kiln and wood. I appreciate all your videos even though I’m not a sawyer. Enjoy the process.

  • @helenjohnson7583
    @helenjohnson7583 Год назад

    Your vocation is no easy job! Thanks for explaining so much to us!

  • @donaldadams5342
    @donaldadams5342 10 месяцев назад

    I'm glad I don't saw lumber Nathan & have to work all that out but still it was very interesting to here you go through what is involved, & it's a lot. Cheers mate, Don from South Australia.

  • @johnhamilton1098
    @johnhamilton1098 3 месяца назад

    So impressed with your knowledge.... You continue to be my very favorite channel, EVER! Thank you for sharing!

  • @davewilliams639
    @davewilliams639 Год назад +2

    I got an education on Kiln drying...Thank You!

  • @rickweissmann7101
    @rickweissmann7101 Год назад

    Thanks again Nathan for the Outstanding video. God bless you and your family 🙏

  • @markrothenberg9867
    @markrothenberg9867 Год назад

    Enjoyed watching this video and hearing all the information about the right things to do to prepare wood for furniture making.

  • @larrypalmer2415
    @larrypalmer2415 Год назад

    I see you found your long lost Go Pro camera when you opened the doors to your kiln!! Good find!!........🤣🤣🤣

  • @Kebmoz
    @Kebmoz Год назад

    Learned a lot from this video! Would have liked to hear an example or two of what poor sawing techniques would show themselves when drying in the kiln.
    And I ran one of those KATO machines as a rental a few months ago. Crazy large cockpit, very slow travel.

  • @evankibbe590
    @evankibbe590 Год назад

    Great explanation Nathan 😊😊😊😊👍👍

  • @richardcorwin1828
    @richardcorwin1828 Год назад

    To make it you have to spend it. Thank you for sharing Nathan.

  • @JM-sz4oi
    @JM-sz4oi Год назад

    I never sawed my own wood and don’t build furniture (non-professional) any more. This was really informative and interesting. Thanks!!

  • @Phipps-
    @Phipps- Год назад

    You just answered both my questions from the live that ya just refused to answer...I appreciate that, big help when u factor in all the pennies involved

  • @scottmedori1437
    @scottmedori1437 Год назад +1

    The local tree removal company put a series of C-cans together for their kiln. He uses a wood burning setup to run the kilns, and heat his building. Far cheaper than electric heat

  • @dmorgan28
    @dmorgan28 Год назад

    Great video Nathan. That was a lot of good information. 👍❤️

  • @jnich17
    @jnich17 Год назад

    Thanks for the educational on wood drying. I learned some things. Keep them coming.

  • @tyettu
    @tyettu Год назад +1

    Out of The Woods drinking game, everytime Nathan says dry take a drink!🎉

  • @zapa1pnt
    @zapa1pnt Год назад

    Baldor motors have been, pretty much, the gold standard of industrial motors, since they began in 1920. 😁✌🖖

  • @Iamkcs2c
    @Iamkcs2c Год назад +1

    I like all your content, but i particularly like your more technical videos.

  • @JGrabo2271
    @JGrabo2271 Год назад

    Mr. Elliot another interesting video. Thank you for sharing.
    ..

  • @matthewhaaland4004
    @matthewhaaland4004 Год назад

    Great video Nathan! Always a pleasure watching you.

  • @johngagne986
    @johngagne986 Год назад +6

    Boy, that was a fire-hose of information. Learning a lot from you Mr Elliot and thankful for it.

  • @warthogA10
    @warthogA10 Год назад +1

    All the ash in my area are gone, dying due to bugs,
    Its very sad, and a massive impact to the environment.
    They make up a lot of the trees here.
    Personally i think some of the eco damage in my region is the mosquito spraying goong on for years too...

  • @1striperon
    @1striperon Год назад

    Thank you, Nathan, for your explanation of drying oak lumber. I love quartersawn white oak to make furniture. Wish I were closer to buy from you. 😄

    • @AndirHon
      @AndirHon Год назад +2

      He sells wholesale, not direct to consumer

    • @1striperon
      @1striperon Год назад

      I understand.

    • @tonygrimes13
      @tonygrimes13 Год назад

      @@AndirHon Not so, he also has online sales.

  • @TripleLRusticDesigns
    @TripleLRusticDesigns Год назад +1

    Great video!

  • @joebufford2972
    @joebufford2972 Год назад

    I've been wondering about your kill and I think you just answered about all the questions I had sure it takes money to make money but there's no excuse for a quality piece of equipment

  • @deladally1286
    @deladally1286 Год назад

    Oh my Nathan, you sure did keep your cool about that snake!

  • @byronc8986
    @byronc8986 Год назад

    Very informative video, Nathan. Enjoyed it.

  • @gslope1
    @gslope1 Год назад +2

    Lots of questions, but the main ones...If you kiln dry and then store it in an unconditioned place I assume the moister content will then go back up? Once it is sterilized can bugs become a problem again. I would think they can. Powder post are what we seem most concerned with here.

    • @johncollins719
      @johncollins719 Год назад +1

      The wood will gain back a percent or two. Once kiln dried the cell walls in the wood become harder and less permeable to moisture.

  • @loadmastergod1961
    @loadmastergod1961 21 день назад +1

    Doesn't apply to me, but great video! I'm just trying to build a firewood finishing kiln.

  • @floydbrennan9300
    @floydbrennan9300 Год назад

    Thank you, sir. A lot of valuable information.

  • @geraldschrader8511
    @geraldschrader8511 Год назад +3

    Where do you store your lumber after taking it out of the kiln? If you stored it outdoors, wouldn't it start absorbing moisture again?

    • @OutoftheWoods0623
      @OutoftheWoods0623  Год назад +3

      It usually gets sold right out of the kiln

    • @tonygrimes13
      @tonygrimes13 Год назад

      @@OutoftheWoods0623 Called *"Just in time for customer"* - as all manufactures do!!!!

  • @michaelwilson4132
    @michaelwilson4132 Месяц назад

    I was doing that 50 years ago little brother!

  • @randydobson1863
    @randydobson1863 Год назад +1

    hello nathan it's is randy and i like yours video is cool thanks friends randy

  • @andysmith8544
    @andysmith8544 Год назад

    Great info Mr. Elliott

  • @hingstonia
    @hingstonia Год назад

    Did you ever look at using the slab wood in an outdoor boiler as a heat source for the kiln? Would use up the scrap wood productively.

  • @r0addoctor
    @r0addoctor Год назад

    Nathan, your kiln is a perfect candidate for solar and possibly wind power to help offset the cost of electric. Those systems are getting cheaper and yes, it would take awhile before you break even, but then you'd be home free. You have the room for whatever you'd need and it just may be something worth looking into. Just a thought. Love your videos. We're coming down there next week, to Nashville to take in some of your fine state. Looking forward to that. Take care.

    • @CraigGrant-sh3in
      @CraigGrant-sh3in Год назад

      A local school system near me is the first school district to go 100% solar in the country. They have four school complexes plus a bus garage , stadium lighting ..... Their electric bill is $00.00

  • @Smithsgold
    @Smithsgold Год назад +1

    Well done

  • @billrichardsjr
    @billrichardsjr 3 месяца назад +1

    So what is your ROI? Love your channel!

  • @kitb9948
    @kitb9948 Год назад

    Thanks for a great video. I've got a solar kiln but am looking to eventually upgrade to a dehumidification kiln like yours. This info is very helpful.

  • @andrewchild1592
    @andrewchild1592 Год назад +1

    Hi Nathan.... excellent content as usual 👍👍 just a quick question if you don't mind be asking.
    I'm in London UK and if it's not confusing enough, some wood supplies deal in Imperial measurements and some in metric.
    When you refer to say 4 quarter, is that 1" full imperial size, if so, why don't you call it 1"🤔🤔

    • @OutoftheWoods0623
      @OutoftheWoods0623  Год назад

      Yes 4/4 is 1in

    • @asbrand
      @asbrand Год назад

      As Nathan said, yes, 4/4 is 1" in Imperial. And it is measured "by the quarter inch" because that's how it is sold. So, 6/4 would be an inch and a half.

  • @rs2024-s4u
    @rs2024-s4u Год назад

    To use a container it's best to get a freezer container or you heating and operating costs will skyrocket and shipping containers are limited to end loading which meant a rail loading unloading system thats not remotely as efficient as side loading.
    Your advice to purchase the system with side loading and insullated is very sound and cost effective in the long run. What is cost of your remote moisture content measuring system. Thanks for a informative video. Ray Stormont

    • @tonygrimes13
      @tonygrimes13 Год назад

      I think you made this comment on wrong video!!!!!!!!!!

  • @richardthornhill4630
    @richardthornhill4630 Год назад

    Good recommendations. A word for the wise.

  • @olddawgdreaming5715
    @olddawgdreaming5715 Год назад +2

    Thanks for sharing with us Nathan, Stay safe around there, Fred

  • @zacharyperry1254
    @zacharyperry1254 Год назад

    Hi Nathan, I love your videos.
    I have some large slabs from a neighbor's tree that are full of larva. I've almost finished my solar kiln. Do you know how hot I need to keep this wood for how long to kill the larva, so then I can finish air drying on my garage. I live in Utah and I looked up my EMC (thanks for teaching me about that btw) and it gets down to 6-7% EMC, so I'll finish it inside. I just wanna kill all the grubs before bringing it in. Thanks again

  • @DocktorHoop
    @DocktorHoop Год назад +1

    NATHAN! You closed up the kiln with the camera inside! You're gonna dry it out!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @ascottpatterson
    @ascottpatterson Год назад

    I may have asked b4 , but... wondering if you ever get or saw any Bird's eye maple?
    My G.G.Grand Father made 2 picture frames that my family still has both frame and W.C. Setches of my G.G.G. Grand parents. So was just wondering as the Frames are made from Bird's eye Maple

  • @1954JDR
    @1954JDR Год назад

    Thanks for the information.👍👍

  • @joeysweet9045
    @joeysweet9045 Год назад

    Can you get a kiln that is deeper it seems like yours isn't that deep if you could put more wood in it it seems like it would be more efficient, maybe 5' deeper or so?

  • @fondadeen1164
    @fondadeen1164 Год назад

    Thanks Nathan great Info

  • @michaelwilson4132
    @michaelwilson4132 Месяц назад

    thanks for the content.

  • @TheZambie1
    @TheZambie1 Год назад

    That was a very informative video. I am building myself a new home and I just sent some Cherry from my land to the mill for a few interior projects. My plan was to air dry it in my climate controlled basement but now I'm nervous about the bugs you mentioned. Can I spray it with a water based insecticide such as Cyzmic CS? I don't see why not. I use it every year around my home & shop and it doesn't stain.

    • @OutoftheWoods0623
      @OutoftheWoods0623  Год назад +1

      nope has to be heat treated to kill the bugs, spraying on outside of the board will not penetrate the ones in the wood,

  • @lounar482
    @lounar482 Год назад

    Certainly wasn't aware of how much cost is involved in bringing lumber to market. Now we know why lumber ain't cheap!

  • @michelem9341
    @michelem9341 Год назад

    Excellent video

  • @wedgesfirewood5294
    @wedgesfirewood5294 Год назад

    Thank you!

  • @shannondavis9020
    @shannondavis9020 7 месяцев назад

    Very cool, very good info

  • @donniebrown4368
    @donniebrown4368 Год назад +1

    That's a down payment on a house. Wow nice buddy 👍

  • @09FLTRMM77
    @09FLTRMM77 Год назад

    MM77 Approved 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @BriyonH
    @BriyonH Год назад

    Nathan, Thanks for the informative video. So does this mean if you removed that wood from the kiln and let it sit, stacked outside, for another year that it would return to the 15% to 17% of your environment? In other words does kiln dried wood need to be stored inside after it is removed from the kiln?

  • @jimhume4581
    @jimhume4581 Год назад

    Great info. I do appreciate it.

  • @paulheffron3951
    @paulheffron3951 Год назад +1

    Hi Nathan, Have you considered using a few buckets of silica gel inside your kiln to speed up drying? It is not new, and you find small packets of it in optical equipment an pharmaceuticals. It turns color when its saturated. You refresh it just by heating it up. It's cheap too. You might look at some websites of companies that sell the stuff.

  • @rjtumble
    @rjtumble Год назад

    Great stuff, thanks for the info!

  • @gregtaylor3432
    @gregtaylor3432 Год назад +1

    Nice mallet!!

  • @earlhunt8271
    @earlhunt8271 Год назад +1

    I notice on the last batch of timber placed in the kiln was warped. What caused that?

  • @kenashton32
    @kenashton32 3 месяца назад

    Today the chamber starts at $50K and the dehumidifier at $15K. Crazy!!!

  • @mbaker825
    @mbaker825 Год назад

    Any future plans for some solar panels to help offset the cost of running the kiln?

    • @MrDmorgan52
      @MrDmorgan52 Год назад +2

      I was going to ask the same thing!

  • @gojoe36
    @gojoe36 Год назад

    I am guessing you dry the lumber AFTER you have a buy contract....would that be correct? Otherwise where would you store it.

  • @jamesvanpelt-nk7by
    @jamesvanpelt-nk7by Год назад

    Thank you for the information

  • @RickyWilson-t5e
    @RickyWilson-t5e Год назад

    I have some pine logs with bugs Boreing down in the logs I ordered a lt 35 woodmizer won't b here till March 2024 when I cut the logs what do I sterilize the wood with thanks my name is Ricky Wilson from Cleveland Tennessee I mention your name at woodmizer thay New who you was

    • @OutoftheWoods0623
      @OutoftheWoods0623  Год назад +1

      I’d bet those pine might be too far gone by then. Lt35 great mill!

  • @keen1957
    @keen1957 Год назад +1

    Have you ever sawed a log that has been under water for years?

  • @BullfrogKid1234
    @BullfrogKid1234 Год назад

    Where can I find an EMC chart for my local area. I looked online and couldn't find anything.

  • @James.......
    @James....... Год назад

    I need to get some 4/4 white oak for when I remodel my kitchen

  • @johnsouza4391
    @johnsouza4391 Год назад

    So what do you get for rough sawn red oak? $6? Maybe more? 2k bd ft is 12k$ 4 or 5 loads and the kiln just paid for itself.

  • @TheKevinlamarr
    @TheKevinlamarr 8 месяцев назад

    I am curious if you or anyone here would know if using logs that came out of the kiln with 10% or less MC could be used for building a cabin

  • @wunstop6026
    @wunstop6026 2 месяца назад

    Pink panther..I saw him

  • @Outdoorsinthecarolinas
    @Outdoorsinthecarolinas Год назад

    How would this kiln work with ibc cages of mixed hardwoods like oak, ash, hickory for firewood , is drying firewood different than boards, what is your opinion on this and suggestions

    • @OutoftheWoods0623
      @OutoftheWoods0623  Год назад +1

      that is a good question for NYLE, I am not sure on what you asked, good question though

    • @Outdoorsinthecarolinas
      @Outdoorsinthecarolinas Год назад

      @@OutoftheWoods0623 thanks brother, good content!!

  • @asbrand
    @asbrand Год назад

    Nathan, approximately how long did it take to pay off that $50,000 kiln? Or how long will it take, assuming it isn't paid off yet. Thanks!

  • @donblaise
    @donblaise 2 месяца назад

    Nathan, where geographically do you live?

  • @liquidrockaquatics3900
    @liquidrockaquatics3900 Год назад

    I used the same advice in college.. always sterilize your wood

  • @anthonythompson4110
    @anthonythompson4110 10 месяцев назад

    That old saying rings true today more than ever. It takes money to make money