HorizonHobby.com How-To: Understanding RC Motor Technology

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  • Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2024

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  • @danseto1745
    @danseto1745 3 года назад

    Horizon as a company has been a pleasure to deal with. Bought Axial Jeep JLU in late Nov 2020 and it had a faulty servo on the DIG function. I live in Canada and Horizon warranty the servo on my word telling them. Shipped prepaid and arrived in less than two weeks. This video is very helpful when being bombarded with what's available to buy for aftermarket motors. So Thanks for making these videos.

  • @dylanwhite6539
    @dylanwhite6539 5 лет назад +5

    I felt the need to put this out there, the reason for 3 wires vs 2 wires on BL vs B is more so due to the commutation. A brushless esc needs to have an electronic commutator inside rather than the physical of the brushed.

  • @LazerLord10
    @LazerLord10 10 лет назад +9

    Thank you. I was always wondering why brushless motors needed a special ESC.

  • @surprisepowertv9915
    @surprisepowertv9915 3 года назад +1

    Very awesome - even 12 years later! I watched it all and took notes!

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  11 лет назад +3

    It is specific to each motor honestly. Most high-performance brushed motors aren't being produced any longer as most of these manufacturers have moved to brushless technology.

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  11 лет назад

    I understand what you are saying. With any "sealed endbell" motor there is the opportunity to "pop" the endbell off by applying enough pressure to the tabs to make them spread. This motor is not designed to have the timing adjusted once it has been assembled.

  • @SenorBolsa
    @SenorBolsa 9 лет назад +1

    I think a better way to explain brushless vs brushed is that a brushed motor uses a mechanical switch to change polarity and a brushless motor uses a computer and solid state electronics to do it. It's like mechanical fuel injection vs electronic fuel injection, the real benefit comes from being able to adjust timings without physical changes to the motor and having less resistance from mechanical parts.

  • @aperaturesciences5466
    @aperaturesciences5466 9 лет назад +3

    Brushless motors do NOT run on AC, they are DC that is pulsed to different sets of coils. They basically replace the commutator. The basics are the same, Electricity runs through the coil's creating a magnetic field and repel or attract to the permanent magnet that is part of the rotor. The coils are labeled A,B,C and the electricity gets flowed from A-B, then B-C, then C-A and repeat in a circle . Sensored brushless motors have Hall Effect sensors (usually 3) that tell the Electronic speed controller (esc) what the orientation of the rotor is currently in so the ESC knows which set of coils to apply current to.

    • @purrup1
      @purrup1 8 лет назад +3

      if you listened he said they basically work on AC, which is true. even though it is technically DC, a waveform that is basically a modified sine wave with a bunch of PWM is what an ESC sends a brushless motor.

  • @pirhala
    @pirhala 6 лет назад +2

    Very well spoken!!! We need more info about RC from this guy here. 👏🏻

  • @chunkynugget
    @chunkynugget 10 лет назад +23

    Sir, you explain like a Boss! Thank you!

  • @cm6gaming259
    @cm6gaming259 5 лет назад +1

    Best video ever made on RUclips. THANK YOU!!!

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  11 лет назад +1

    Kv-A rating of performance for brushless motors. While Kv ratings are occasionally applied to sensored motors, sensorless brushless motors are almost always rated by Kv. The higher the Kv rating of a motor the faster it will be. Kv refers to the number of RPM a motor will produce for each volt of power input to it For example a 1,000Kv motor would produce roughly 7,400 RPM at 7.4 volts.

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  11 лет назад

    All depends on if you want to go brushed or brushless. I've heard very good things about systems from Novak and Tekin in both brushed and brushless. The Timbuk2 from Novak is quite popular for an ESC along with their 21.5T or 18.5T motors.

  • @asfbi
    @asfbi 4 года назад +1

    Went from nitro to electric and was clueless thank you so much

  • @MrWorkerDude
    @MrWorkerDude 11 лет назад +12

    Let us make this even more clear:
    A brushed motor runs the current though the armature making it electromagnetic that interacts with the permanent magnets in the shell of the motor.
    A brushless motor has a rotor with permanent magnets and runs the current in the shell making it electromagnetic that interacts with the rotor.

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  11 лет назад

    Depends on the size of the motor quite honestly. There are brushless motors for 1/5-scale vehicles that will blow away the power of those for 1/10-scales. Generally the fastest I've seen for 1/10-scale are the 2-4T motors. Crazy fast!

  • @costaricaflyer1532
    @costaricaflyer1532 8 лет назад +1

    OUTSTANDING video! Very informative. I fly quads and am moving up to brushless motors so even tho you were talking about RC vehicles, it still translated well into how it would apply to quad multi-rotors. Many thanks for a great video.

  • @financialloser
    @financialloser 5 лет назад

    Your knowledge on this topic is awesome. Really appreciate you taking the late nights opening and playing with different motors. Takes a lot of patience, and a very cool wife if u know what I mean. I have to sneak my RC time in. And everyone knows that once u sit down and Start dissecting for hours without noticing

  • @JMOSORT
    @JMOSORT 4 года назад

    And tonight i have learned the difference between 550 and 540 thank you so much

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  11 лет назад

    Anything besides a 27T brushed motor is considered "Modified". It refers to the racing class the motor is legal to race in. A 13-double is going to push the limits on that ESC but you should be ok.

  • @michaelsmitten302
    @michaelsmitten302 9 лет назад

    Almost all electric motors are ac (stepper motors excluded) - in other words the current must somehow be switched in direction every half cycle if dc is applied. In the so-called dc motor this is achieved by the commutator, which reverses the current flow. A brushed ac supplied motor uses slip rings to get the current to the armature. Great channel, thanks

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  12 лет назад

    No argument there, however in terms of RC getting a working and reliable brushless system was a pretty big breakthrough and advancement. You can go back to the days after Nikola Tesla and see the groundwork laid there.

  • @MattPym
    @MattPym 10 лет назад

    That was an excellent video, it really cleared up the whole Brushless motor technology for me.... Now, to learn about lithium batteries and esc for brushless. This is what I get for 3 years out of the hobby haha

  • @vumixHD
    @vumixHD 10 лет назад

    Very informative video for someone like myself who just decided a few days ago to buy a car after about 1 day of research. I'm a beginner and I want my son to enjoy it with me but dont want a car going too fast but I also want to know how to upgrade when time comes.

  • @centersnare32
    @centersnare32 9 лет назад +4

    Extremely well made, informative video. I definitely learned a lot as a new comer to the RC car hobby!

  • @TheZiggyman01
    @TheZiggyman01 8 лет назад

    motors are a fun hobby in themselves. the sealed 540 motors can be safely opened and if you know what you're doing you can easily change the windings with bigger gauge laminated wire without soldering and have some cheap fun. if you can find small bearings with the right I.D/O.D diameters then you fit them on the front and end race. got 15t and 10t motors in sealed cans with a double 10t in the making all running off a tekin G9. mabuchi and johnson motors can easily be found next to nothing for rebuild or spare bushes. have fun :)

  • @JH-xy2ng
    @JH-xy2ng 4 года назад +1

    He got me pump about building my brushless motor in my 1/10 scale 💪🏿🔥🔥🔥👌🏿💯

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  11 лет назад

    It would be better, yes. It just gives you a larger margin for error in case something happens.
    Thanks for the compliment!

  • @matthewprior3762
    @matthewprior3762 6 лет назад

    I love these videos with this guy. 😎 i always think of him as an RC professor. Hes taught me ALOT as a young RC wannabe.

    • @RoXolid
      @RoXolid 3 года назад

      I'm a little late to see this comment but thank you for the kind words - Gary

  • @kattmat28
    @kattmat28 2 года назад +1

    How does one get that kind of shine on ones head? Love it.

  • @XPureOutdoorsX
    @XPureOutdoorsX 11 лет назад

    thanks for the help. I am running a brushed system now and was wondering what i should use.

  • @JustAnotherOldMan
    @JustAnotherOldMan Год назад

    Thanks for the great instructional intro to these motors !
    Great work and easily understood

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  11 лет назад

    Yes and no. A 550 Motor is a slightly longer version of the 540 motor, capable of delivering more torque and power without suffering from power loss. 550 motors tend to be less susceptible to damage from heat, overgearing or other similar issues. Now there are 540 motors that can be used in 4WD SCTs that have the best of both worlds, less weight and exceptional torque.

  • @RCcentral2013
    @RCcentral2013 11 лет назад

    thank you I was wondering weather the "closed end bell" had to be treated the same as an "open end bell" and now I know thank you

  • @pedrolahoz
    @pedrolahoz 2 года назад

    You are an excellent teacher!!

  • @ShogunGlock
    @ShogunGlock 7 лет назад

    Awesome vid! Helped me understand electric motors a bit more. I'm a nitro guy, but i'm willing to try to understand the other side of rc. Lol, good job sir!

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  11 лет назад

    The fastest that we're going to have is the Formula Pro BB Modified 12T,Double by Team Orion USA (ORI22035). Unfortunately just about all high-performance motor developers have abandoned brushed technology for brushless.

  • @chromezeta
    @chromezeta 11 лет назад

    Great! Thanks for all the help.
    I sincerely appreciate the responses as some people wont even reply.
    Thanks again.

  • @dylanlong1887
    @dylanlong1887 10 лет назад

    Thanks I'm a big fan! Thanks for the help. Your one of the best rc channels!!!!!

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  11 лет назад

    Charlie is one of the best!

  • @BSpenceTravels
    @BSpenceTravels 11 лет назад

    Great video, it really helped me understand how the brushless systems work. Thumbs up.

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  12 лет назад

    27T Stock motors were not allowed to have bearings per ROAR Rules.

  • @emmanuelmeyermeyer1083
    @emmanuelmeyermeyer1083 3 года назад

    Very good video. Very informative. I learned alot since I took my team Losi buggy and my Traxus truck out of the closet after years of storage. I have watched alot of your videos and learned what's in and what's out. Thank You.

  • @Greywolf74
    @Greywolf74 11 лет назад

    That is a very informative and nicely explained video. I attempted to do a video not to dissimilar to this a little while back and while I did have a lot of the basic right I wasnt able to go nearly as in depth as you guys did here mostly because I have very little experience with brushed motors.

  • @mattsmith010171
    @mattsmith010171 10 лет назад

    Thank you, this video was very helpful in knowing the difference between brush and brushless motors. Plus I couldn't remember if more or less turns on a brush motor made it faster or slower. Very good info for RC car motors.

  • @dgs27mich
    @dgs27mich 11 лет назад

    Thank you, that will help me a lot when it comes time to up grade my old Slash to brushless.

  • @Spacesprocketz
    @Spacesprocketz 8 лет назад +3

    Thanks bro, I needed this!

  • @ToneGallis
    @ToneGallis 7 лет назад

    good video for breaking down the basics

  • @anthonyhammond6926
    @anthonyhammond6926 2 года назад

    Hi um Anthony I have 3 brushless rc traxxas 110 th scale vehicles myself this video is very enteresting too 👀 watch. I learned alot from this.

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  12 лет назад

    In very simplistic terms, yes.

  • @humlakullen
    @humlakullen 3 года назад

    Awesome review... Thanks a bunch!

  • @WouterTomme
    @WouterTomme 11 лет назад

    Thanks for an excellent explanation ! This is what i was looking for.Thanks again.

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  12 лет назад

    Reducing the timing will reduce the RPM and increase the torque of the motor

  • @iwadrian
    @iwadrian 11 лет назад

    Get closer look in to the endbell above negative lead. There is teeth on the can and three holes in the plastic below that teeth.

  • @EETechs
    @EETechs 12 лет назад

    What is actually happening is a voltage change by reducing turns. Makes sense to go this route rather than add more batteries which would weight down the R/C car more to get more speed and power.

  • @626micah
    @626micah 8 лет назад

    maybe I missed it but I didn't see anything in this video about using brushed motors for RC crawling. Censored brushless motors do have use in crawling but top competitors still use brushed for lower end torque and slow speed control.

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  12 лет назад

    Its not better as much as its just different. A smaller pinion will give you less top speed but better acceleration. A bigger pinion will give you more top speed but cost you acceleration. For running on a track going to a smaller pinion could make you "faster" as the motor may not have to work as hard to clear obstacles or to get out of a corner. For just running in a driveway, open lot or parking lot a bigger pinion will yield higher top speeds.

  • @johnconrad5487
    @johnconrad5487 8 лет назад

    very good. thanks a lot! enjoyed all three of your videos

  • @JMiller
    @JMiller Год назад

    Thanks. Too informative. This video should have been 10 minutes long.

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  11 лет назад

    There really isn't unless you open it up and unwind the armature.

  • @jameslinden6304
    @jameslinden6304 8 лет назад +6

    Whoever decided to introduce "brushed" motors to the RC industry was a genius. Being that "brushless" motors have been around for years and don't require any maintenance, they chose brushed to be able to sell parts and perform repairs.
    The greatest difference between these two types wasn't mentioned in the video. A brushed motor spins the electronic circuit inside a permanent magnet, whereas a brushless one spins a permanent magnet inside an electronic circuit, improving the efficiency tremendously. PEACE

    • @playerDJFL
      @playerDJFL 8 лет назад +1

      James Linden the video footage was a bit self explanatory but thank you for the extended description.

    • @HondoTrailside
      @HondoTrailside 7 лет назад +1

      That was explained.

    • @dragan3290
      @dragan3290 6 лет назад

      Nikola tesla

    • @kreynolds1123
      @kreynolds1123 5 лет назад

      Actually brushed motors was the preferred option because they were the cheapest option for a long time because of the cost of bldc controls. Even now that bldc controller cost have come down brushed motors are still cheaper.
      But now with the reduced cist of BLDC controlers. The maintenance-less advantage of bldc motors brings more "value" that makes up for the additional cost.
      In other words, it wasn't a marketing gimmick to sell maintenance. Rather, the choices were/are comsumer market forces, cost, and application need driven.

    • @kreynolds1123
      @kreynolds1123 5 лет назад

      Anotjer and maybe better description then you gave is that brushed dc motors have perminate magnets in their stator, and their rotors have armatures with winding that take in DC currents through the brushes that contact the commutater that when rotating switches currents in the windings. BLDC motors have perminate magnets in their rotor and take DC current to the motor's controller that in turn electrically switches currents in field windings.

  • @playerDJFL
    @playerDJFL 8 лет назад +2

    Very detailed video, thank you for your knowledge!

  • @horizonhobby
    @horizonhobby  12 лет назад

    It's an epoxy that the windings are dipped in. I don't know where to purchase this however, I am sorry.

  • @iwadrian
    @iwadrian 11 лет назад

    In dynamite 20t shown in 2:11 same as saturn 20t we can change timming settings by turning the endbell. But there are only thre position of that setting, you can see it above negative lead connection to the motor 1:02.

  • @haraldpettersen3649
    @haraldpettersen3649 6 лет назад

    Should you teach your viewers how to keep the brushes apart so they get their engines together again (needle , tread or hoop) . Good video 👍

  • @SophiFike
    @SophiFike 10 лет назад

    Thanks for the help! Motor specs have confused me for a while.

  • @kreynolds1123
    @kreynolds1123 5 лет назад

    I've built my own bldc motor and am trying to figure out what bldc speed controller would be appropriate.
    First thing, the motor is axial flux. The rotor has 12 poles (6 pole pairs). The stator has three coils wound with 16 gauge wire. The winding are a falharbor type winding with 4 turns (roughly 76 inches of wire in total per coil) adapted to an axial flux design. The stator has a slotless iron backing made from coiled steel banding to reduce the magnetic reluctance.
    Most radial flux bldc designs use 3 coils and two poles. I wonder if 12 pole 4 falharbor serpentine like turns would be roughly equlivent to 24 turns or something else on some of the more standard motors.
    I tried to run it on a cheap bldc controller. The bldc controllers lowest setting drew .6 amp from a 13.4v lead acid battery. That's about 8 watts. At that lowest setting the controller supplied 1.49vac, and if we assumed 100% efficent transfer of 8 watts 100% meant the coils were pulling 5.37 amps. When the motor was turned by a by a drill at 211 rpms, it generated 0.126vac. During testing the cheap chinese controller blew a couple mosfets. But ill try to answer any other questions.
    I might redo the stator with 5 turns on each coil. But there is not much hope for more turns..

  • @losiboy454
    @losiboy454 12 лет назад +1

    This Is why I like nitro, it is simpler. I think tuning and caring for an engine is much easier, plus I always damage any electric vehicles I touch sooner or later...

  • @rodcognito002
    @rodcognito002 9 лет назад

    THANK YOU. So many questions answered that I didn't even know I had. LOL

  • @SokhannPha
    @SokhannPha 7 лет назад

    THANK YOU for video.. now I know what type of motor I need to replace for my car..

  • @chromezeta
    @chromezeta 11 лет назад +1

    Thank you very much for the info!!!
    Would a 10T ESC been better for this 13-double?
    I wouldn't want the ESC to fry.....
    BTW, I absolutely love your videos!

  • @RCTrailblazr
    @RCTrailblazr 7 лет назад

    Thank you for sharing guys!!👍👍

  • @TheFluffyVanquisher
    @TheFluffyVanquisher 12 лет назад

    Thanks a lot! I've learned a lot about motors now :)

  • @RobertNES816
    @RobertNES816 5 лет назад

    Tried a few of the Dynamite 540 15 turn motors. They don't like being run on 8.4 volts. They don't run hot but the commutator burns up and turns blue. Meanwhile the Traxxas Stinger runs twice as hot (stingers always run hot) but they don't burn up on 8.4 volts.
    I think Dynamite should go with Johnson or Mabuchi instead of whatever off brand they're using.

  • @MCm0u5e
    @MCm0u5e 11 лет назад

    Thanks a lot for the all the info , Great vid !

  • @davidraymondsmit
    @davidraymondsmit 10 лет назад

    thank you for your vide.,it is very informative.I use to race rc 10s with my dad back in the mid 80s I am thinking of getting back into the game.and thgis video is very helpful as far as info on dif motors..thank you again.very nice video.keep up the good work.

  • @JuanPierreOosthuizen
    @JuanPierreOosthuizen 11 лет назад

    Kick ass vid, now that I know the motors inside out, am I still struggling to identify what the 540 and 550 refer to.

  • @qwiggy888
    @qwiggy888 5 лет назад

    Thanks for the crash course

  • @jynx-vu2zc
    @jynx-vu2zc 4 года назад

    This was so helpful . Thank you !!

  • @timglass6041
    @timglass6041 4 года назад

    Thank you Sir, Good presentation, Now I know what I didn't know before.

  • @russellcupples2170
    @russellcupples2170 7 лет назад

    Thank you so very much for the tutorial . It helped a lot.

  • @Cus2omBuilds
    @Cus2omBuilds 9 лет назад

    Very good video, very informative, thankyou for sharing!

  • @TheKenwiesner
    @TheKenwiesner 11 лет назад

    I have used a giant brush less motor for giant scale rc planes One of them would cut out at high throttle and let out a terrible squeal when it did But throttle back and it reset and goes again. There was no over draw in amps and was using the correct voltage The lipos can deliver more then twice what the amp meter showed as being used. My question for you is How important is switching frequency and how likely is that to have been the cause of this?

  • @pvantuel
    @pvantuel 8 лет назад

    Fantastic tutorial. Thanks

  • @theirishaxe9405
    @theirishaxe9405 7 лет назад

    Cool thanks! also I bought a new summit from you guys! I also got a dhk shogun 1/8 scale I'm going to rebuild myself ! thanks guy

  • @iwadrian
    @iwadrian 11 лет назад

    You dont need to open the endbell. Just try to turn it. The tabs just prevent the endbell to come off but you can easy turn it. That is difrent design than mabuchi or johnson motor.

  • @TndPnyRCofficial
    @TndPnyRCofficial 7 лет назад +1

    Helped me for my motor needs

  • @nmadsenID
    @nmadsenID 7 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the info! This is great.

  • @JohnM-sz2vh
    @JohnM-sz2vh 10 лет назад

    Great explanation, thanks!

  • @simbak619
    @simbak619 9 лет назад

    Thanks for the great vid! Learnt heaps!!!

  • @NeutralGenericUser
    @NeutralGenericUser 11 лет назад

    Great video! Thank you so much!

  • @yvesdelorme7828
    @yvesdelorme7828 5 лет назад

    this info is our work together with FORD ENGINE. if you change the crank shaft to diamond witch you can melt at super high octane like rocket fuel but it wont melt at 89 octane so if you build a mold for a diamond crank shaft or machine the diamond with laser to make the crank shaft that you just gave me as an idea witch will not tiwist the shaft and throw it off ballance then you don't need to add oil to the motor for the shaft won't twist with out oil now if you want precise mesurement for the piston borring use a 5/12 circomfrance angle around the piston

  • @ianonymous8549
    @ianonymous8549 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the info! I needed to know how fast in terms of mph speed w 20 turn and under to say a 10 turn brushed motor and 3400kv -7500kv bless in turns of mph? For example getting 40mph you’d need or equals to a 15turn motor etc... thanks!

    • @RC-ty5ym
      @RC-ty5ym 4 года назад

      You need the gear ratio to calculate the speed.

  • @mendozagilberto268
    @mendozagilberto268 8 лет назад

    What are some of the fastest motors out there? I'm new to this and just trying to learn your video helped me a lot

  • @arangovelascojorge
    @arangovelascojorge 12 лет назад

    Thanks for the explanation, very clear!!!

  • @connorw.h7549
    @connorw.h7549 7 лет назад

    i learnt alot more from this

  • @AdrianWilliams-h6o
    @AdrianWilliams-h6o 9 месяцев назад

    Top video very useful

  • @1peanut
    @1peanut 6 лет назад

    Holmes Hobby Brushed Motors are the best imo. they have Bearings in them. most brushed motors just have a brass bushing.

  • @XPureOutdoorsX
    @XPureOutdoorsX 11 лет назад

    What kind of motor do you think would be the best for the Losi night crawler? I was trying to give it a little more speed but also try to make it keep its torque. so if you can could you please suggest a type of motor or a certain turn for it? Thanks for the help.

  • @cracker0190
    @cracker0190 8 лет назад +1

    Do lower turn motors have better speed but less torque or something? Why would you opt for a higher turn motor? Sorry I'm way new to this stuff