Why Room Clearing is a BAD IDEA
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- In this video, former Army Ranger John Lovell discusses with a class 'why room clearing is a bad idea'.
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Tell me about it man. once i casually entered the kitchen, my mom was at such a tactical advantage that I couldnt defend myself when she asked me to do the dishes.
😂😂😂
Never rush it bro. Remember that mothers are a highly trained threat.
Excellent comment, the come back for that is, now you know what a drone with a wi-fi signal is for, to peer through the kitchen window first.
This is one of the few situations this applies to
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I have a 10 year old son, no intruder will ever make it past the Legos on the floor. I know I never do.
I believe those violate the Geneva Convention
A home security plan that includes floors strewn with Legos ensures the bad buy is quickly de-feet'd.
Phil Peterson I see what you did there lol
Ha ha ha ha ha ha................. very true :D
I don't see why intruders would be walking barefoot in a house
Jordan Peterson doesn't agree. Clean your room now.
Lmao, vastly underrated comment xD
😂🤣😭😭👍🏿
Still good one year later.
My ribs got hit by a meteor just now. Well done.
😐
Always let your friend go first. Grenade is your friend
And when he’s not once you pulled the pin, sometimes you just gotta let him go.
Tragicide once that pin has been pulled.
The grenade is nobodies friend.
ishimaru masato I know right? He always had such an "explosive" personality.
now count the casualties and the innocent ones.. oh your batchmate in the academy there? why?
"This looks like a job for Ambassador Pineapple! You'll be representing me on the floor."
That's why I always carry a pocket full of grenades, before I enter my home I always chuck a few in just in case.
Mike Hunt nothing like a good old fashioned self defense grenade XP
*hAD to Do iT tO Em*
A little white phosphorus never hurt anyone
@@signs80 tell that to those people you butcher in Spec Ops: The Line.
Don't know what I'm talking about? Look it up.
lol
The very first time I learned how to clear a room with a team years ago i thought.....#1 guy entering the room is getting shot because the bad guy has the tactical advantage....the rest of the team is basically there to avenge him lol. Modern and current ALERRT techniques changed that!!!
Luckily, most criminals are not prepared. They haven't setup the ambush. They are typically not setup for resupply or reinforcements. Their comms are typically pretty primitive as well.
Robert Amy thank God criminals dont invest in training.
@@mixflip Exactly, they're used to preying on civilians and never expect to actually be caught.
This is why you never go first
That's exactly my thought process. Never want to be the point man in any situation.
clint smith said the ideal room clearing involves artillery and/or air support.
My Self I'd go with the thousand pounder.
lol
With experience in room clearing and artillery, I can totally agree with that. Pull your men and let the arty party begin.
My Self one JDAM to come please
I have a coworker who was a Fallujah vet Marine, he said that they would precede any breach or room clearing by using breaching charges or tossing a frag grenade in the room first.
My dad was the best room clearer that I know. He was lactose intolerant.
Underrated
Ah yes, the classic method of gassing the room
get back to me when he clears an outdoor public pool
@@killer13324 🤣 You win.
Tactical poop
There’s a reason traditional army thought from centuries ago believed you needed a 3 to 1 advantage if your enemy was in a defensive position and you were attacking it. You learn real quick that dynamic entry, even with a high level team, will get mowed down if the enemy has any semblance of an idea that your coming... in force on force training that is.
In today's CQB, it's 6 to 1 compared to a traditional "open" area like a forest where it's still 3 to 1. This applies when the enemy is equally trained and equipped and knows that you're coming.
Bad ATT1TUDE 98 The 3 to 1 ratio is what we were taught by combat vets in basic training.
But then you learn that even if u have a 5 to one....one guy with an ak can cut down a quarter of your platoon because all he has exposed is his weapon
you're
@@Ashorsax Oh Jesus another limited penetration genius. Stop watching cherry tactical or whatever the fuck he's called. Can't believe he's taught this to actual police departments. Limited penetration will get you Merced and anyone with any experience knows it's a bad fucking idea. Its called the fatal funnel for a reason. You don't sit in it and play fucking peekaboo with the enemy.
I guess this is why police and swat use flash bangs and robotic cameras.
There's a lot of useful equalizers yes.
J J yes especially on little babies at 4am.... oops wrong house
@@hiclink6318 Convict spotted.
Is this right after using families as cover? Hahaha
@@ShooterMedic1818 Bootlicker spotted
In “room clearing” there is a substantial difference between military, police, and civilian tactics.
Makes sense Everyone has different equipment
And specifically one man, two man and many man tactics
Very true. There are common principles that carry over for all three, but different tactics and tools because of the different settings and goals you're dealing with.
Firearms ✔️
Security Cameras ✔️
Tactical gear ✔️
Baby gate that takes months to master and will most likely foil any attempt to invade ✔️
Wait, you're tellin me that I cant just kick a door open Rambo style and start spraying bullets to clear the room? I feel my whole life has been a lie.
I usually just send in an RPG for room clearing. No biggie.
Don't forget the key to Rambo's success: firing exclusively from the hip.
Oh no, you can totally do that. At least once, anyway.
Don't kick the door
Shoot thru the door
Is that really Rambo style though? In the first movie he was all sneaky, set up traps and disabled most of his opponents with stealth and carefully planned ambushes . Walking in to a hail of gunfire and mowing everyone down by shooting from the hip was more of an Arnold movie thing.
I prefer using bears. Send a couple in, room cleared or snack time. Either way, win-win.
Oregon Outback : That is freaking brilliant!!!!! I never thought of bears. See, options.
Oregon Outback Ban tactical assault bears!
tactical assault bears...god, I'm imagining bears clad in kevlar and AR 500 plate armor, with floodlights on their backs to blind whoever they're charging.
I did the same but sometimes i run out of bait
bear in mind now there's bearly anything left on the room when you enter.
John Lovellson: "Clear your room."
That's how you become the archetypal warrior poet eh?
fsmoura roughly speaking. And that’s that.
Best comment
sort your life out.
10/10 reference
I have this same common sense...Criminals are ALWAYS at a tactical advantage in most scenarios, because they already know their intent and you have to develop intent based on surroundings....they don't. Great topic once again John.
Also they have no concern about collateral damage and don't have to worry about what's behind their target
Minus the training, team structure, support infrastructure, government intelligence services and the gear. I don't think regular criminals just lay in ambush in their house for some stupid reason.
And if you raid a drug den you know what to expect.
quicker to act based on the assumption of intent. That's why shoot-first is justified in home invasion scenarios. You don't know their intent, armaments, or numbers. best to shoot on sight and ask questions later.
@@killer13324 First step... avoid contact if you can. Second step... engage first if you can't. For the same reasons you listed.
Initiative deficit is a b*tch
Back in my USN days, 80s and 90s, we had to go to a 'school' once a year taught by USMC on how to clear a vessel. Holy Hades! Hard cover everywhere. Narrow passages and 48" to 60" tall doorways 12" above the deck. Nightmare scenarios!
my front door was open once when I came home... SO I just moved away and left everything there. I wonder how my 6month old son is doing now -- it's been 5 years
As a citizen, I tell everyone who inquires about reacting to danger that their first responsibility is to remove themselves and those for whom they are responsible from the danger area. There are few circumstances under which I will attempt to clear a room, and those involve rescuing a family member from a threat. Not the kind of scenario I look forward to.
@Haris Inam You probably ignored the section where I stated I would clear a room to rescue family. I never said I would vacate my home. Tell me, how are things in primary school?
@Haris Inam Thanks.
Kevin, luckily in rescuing a family member the bad guys tactical advantage is compromised, therefore leveling the playing field a bit. That is, if there's only one...
Clearing a room is better if it's just a known enemy. They don't have to survive. Rescue attempts are much more dangerous. You might kill a friend/relative. Put them under seige. Let them starve. They'll come out when they get hungry.
No wait - I've seen this on a million times on TV. All the dudes in tac gear go into a dark room with closets and hallways and cabinets and IMMEDIATELY shout "CLEAR!" to each other. 😂😂😂
If a badguy is in your house and you have a gun, UNLESS you have something super important somewhere else in the house (Kids, Loved One, ect.) ... YOU STAY PUT!
Be the Camper! Get your gun, be safe, hunker down and wait for reinforcements to arrive! And if someone comes in the room, Positively Identify the person before you blast holes in them!
If you want to be effective at room clearing, eat Taco Bell the night before. 😛
*Most underrated comment award!*
Nah man chemical warfare is a war crime
Eat taco Bell the hour before. Those tacos blow out my assh*le in 60 min or less 😔😔
Caution: may result in unintended divorce.
223 likes, i'm not ruining that number
I remember watching a study that was done where they took a bunch of random Americans with no gun training, gave them a couple hours of instruction at the range, then told them to defend themselves from a "gunman" in a controlled situation. Literally none of them could do anything to stop the gunman before people "died". The point being you're never at an advantage when there's bad guys waiting to attack.
I’m not a tactical expert. But I feel like the only way to safely clear a room would be to wear juggernaut style armor with a riot shield rated to stop anything up to 5.56. And a .410 Governor.
So safe from ars but aks got ya dead
that's because he dont talk about how you clearn a room. you dont enter a room and analyse like he said. You check the room from the outside, and of course there is non lethal grenade too etc.
"Juggernaut" style armor is mostly for EOD, it really doesn't work that well against bullets. It'll just make you a big clunky target indoors.
@@TomQuoVadis We need one of the big youtube gun channels to make a video testing bullets on EOD suits
nah. flashbang
Room clearing looks cool, but what you don't get told as much is that people still get shot when room clearing and doing everything right. Glad John brings it up.
*Right on John, I carry a grenade in case I get upset*
Rich U. The grenade is what puts you above the bad guy. Tactically.
James Saviskas That's accurate brother, I'd toss one. I don't particularly like being interrupted while making pancakes.
It's even worse to be interrupted while eating pancakes you just made.
After all that hard work and you need to relax.... and enjoy your pancakes.
I bet you toss salads too.
pinkeye00 But ofcourse my friend.
That's why you should just exit a window and call in an air strike when you hear that bump in the night
It's the only way to be sure.
@@necrofuryan5899 my thoughts exactly
This is why when we deal with things like Fallujah in terms of door breaching and clearing. It would be really nice to have a heavy duty shield that is heavy enough to be moved in to absorb the bullets of any potential combatant inside. While it still is mobile enough to be used in that limited roll. Once you're done using it for the building. You can just strap it to the side of a Bradley or Humvee for ease of transport. It's save a lot of Marines lives but I can see where it'd be a little bit impractical as well. I just think a good old fashioned heavy piece of metal with a spalliner Could do wonders for taking those first couple of bullets.
Pretty much why the FSB trains with the Vant.
This is how badass Leon ruined the day for quite a few unwelcome visitors.
...for Matilda 💥
read it wrong in my notifications, though it said CLEANING not clearing.
Jordan Peterson BTFO
you got to do that sometimes also, or both cleaning and clearing depending...lol
Room cleaning is a bad idea. If your house is disgusting maybe the bad guy will to be disgusted to come in.
TRIGGERED BUCKO
César Alves what are you talking about..
The urban environment is no joke. Can't remember the statistics of fatality rate but it was pretty high.
My grandfather in WWII said room clearing was tossing in a grenade first and then spraying the room with automatic weapons fire. When I got to do force on force, it was doorways where things usually went south. First two guys got hit, blocked the doorway, the guys behind them hesitated long enough to pretty much turn the entry into chaos. We also find some interesting ways to defeat entry teams which I won't share here for OPSEC reasons. If you recall the Oakland incident, 1 perp killed 4 cops , including two SWAT team members with an SKS. The perp didn't respond in the fashion the team had trained for.
It comes wth the job...
I hate having to clear closets, rooms, garages, attics, houses, Etc.
That feeling when I have to slide clothes back in a closet hoping i don't hear that loud bang 💥🔫
county sheepdog check for feet first
akshooter271
Absolutely! Sometimes the clothes hangs to the ground.
So... it coms with the job, but you hate clearing just about anything? And if you don't hate clearing it... then you don't know enough about it.
cavscout888
You're asking a question & making a statement??
Both. The first part was a question. It was marked with a question mark. The second part was a statement, marked by the period. It wasn't a total diss, like you may expect from youtube.
This always got me in movies, where the good guy would follow the perp into a building without backup. Re damn diculous. Its point and click for bad guy.
It's not Hollywood people do this with great success. Just look at the SAS lad that went and took care of the terrorists the other day. Went in alone. Merced them all. But then we were always better soldiers than the yanks.
@@pictishbynature1522 Keep telling yourself that mate, maybe hell will freeze over one day and it'll be true.
@@Soulslayer612
It IS true. The US infantry is average in skill, which is all that's needed
@@pictishbynature1522 that's why you won the revolutionary war against the USA. Redcoat SAS annihilated us backwater hicks.
@@pictishbynature1522 you lost a 13 colony lead 😂
You're absolutely right..the bad guy is at a huge advantage because he doesn't have to care about who is in the room..he just shoots..whereas we have to be sure of who we may hit in the process.
Bullshit. What if the criminal has his family with him? Or crime friends? Crime friends don't care for each other?
9 times out of 10 police has the advantage, because who the fuck lays an ambush when they could just run away from the police unless the police already know you are there, which makes you a trapped animal. Body armor, support, information all on the side of cops.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 I believe the first guy was talking about from the point of view of a civilian with a criminal in his house.
@@stevenbobbybills what kind of special situation is that. Where the cop doesn't know there is a criminal in the house. Why is he going to that house in the first place?
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 c i v i l i a n .
"You come into the room and then it has to be a fast decision that you're gonna have to live with the rest of your life.." wow!! Take that and think about it both ways. Hi from Turkey.
be like russian, Room clearing with BTR.
No room clearing needed if there is no room, blyat!
5 gunmen, 47 hostages, 52 body bags= mission success!
RiscoDisco there won't be any bodies to bag when we're done
They become blins! Smooshed blins, mmmm.
Chechens do not take hostage anymore. For Russians, it only means 1 more kill to the weakling(s) caught. Hostages will learn to fight and kill their takers or die trying or be killed for their shamefur dispray!
So I'm sitting in my man-space, filling my brain with one John Lovell video after another. My wife walks in and says, "Who's this guy? What great hair." And it occurs to me... I'm thinking the same thing about his hair.
That black squirrel makes some good points.
Yet again, I find myself baffled by the amazing lesson(s) this channel teaches us, at no cost. Amazing work by dedicated individuals, driven to share knowledge, concepts, and ideas with everyone. Truly informative! Thank you.
You can clear 90% of a room without ever breaking the threshold.
wItH yOuR mInD
@@tyjohnston5889 we used to practice the "Die Hard" era room clearing tactics until those crafty Israelis came with a smarter system. 👍
@@ericjanssen6265 limited penetration works FOR THEM against singular aggressors with knives/melee weapons or limited/few aggressors (say 2 max) with guns in scenarios such as a hut in Afghanistan. But it not a one-size-fits-all scenario. Once you use limited penetration but you need to take the room for whatever reason, and they have more than 1 guy with firepower, you're effectively screwed fighting from the doorway.
Best choice as a civilian alone--exfiltrate as quickly and as safely as possible, being ready for the fight...once clear, call the cops and let THEM clear rooms. :) Just my opinion.
I'll just respawn if the room clearing doesnt go my way.
I've been trying to pick up airsoft and learning tactics that might help me out. I've watched several excellent training videos and practiced around the house and all that but this one caught me off guard. Obviously, it's airsoft, I don't have to think about getting killed. However, the more I play the more appreciation I have for the people who do have to put their lives on the line and this video was just another sobering reminder.
What is the best way to clear a room???
A. Flamethrower
B. Flashbang
C. Fragmentation grenade
D. Smoke grenade
E. Gas
F. All of the above
The only time you should even be in a room clearing situations is when your exiting a building because you have no safe place to hold up. And John is 100% correct a active shooter is always going to have the edge because they don't really care who they shoot.
I cleared my house once after an attempted home invasion on my house. Long story short is after scared off most of the invaders with my pistol, i was not sure if someone was hiding in my house and had to go room to room and check. I almost browned my pants and bought a shotgun the next day.
Probably should've called the cops and have them clear your house?
@@cwheels01 100% Get daughter into room with me and wife, and sit with rifle propped on bed aimed at door, wait for red and blue lights. Fuck clearing the house, ain't shit in the house I need bad enough for that.
Sounds like you have a deathwish doing that shit yourself.
Finally, somebody who dosent talk shit about being a hero. Rusty AK could simply kill a fully geared night vision extreme brutal operator whose gear worths more than the entire country that they are invading.
World war 2 had a solution.
1. Draw a figure 8 with bullets from any firearm, preferrably a BAR on to intended room.
2. Frag the room.
3. Enter the room.
4. Shoot any hostiles left. (They're probably shocked and awed already).
... Yeah, but there's a reason why we dont do it anymore.
Edit: to guys seeing this, i just read this somewhere the internet sometime ago during my own research for home defense, please do use common sense. Stay safe.
There was one interview clip in a documentary where the guy said the Anglo-American (or maybe he was Canadian I can't remember) forces used Bofors anti aircraft guns to shoot houses and barns in France and that at least once it was enough to get germans they shot at to immediately lay down arms. I don't think those gun crews ever had to risk their necks with room clearing.
these guys wanna retrieve bad guys alive and not shoot cilvilans
Actually the tactics of old made a resurgence in Iraq. Instead if stacking up they reverted to the old bunker clearing methods of ww2. Secured the surroundings then entered. If it's a completely hostile landscape with no enemies there is no reason not to do this.
During WW2 it was very uncommon that there would be civilians present in an urban area during the fighting, and even farmers would leave upon the arrival of the danger. If they didn't leave on their own they were sometimes ran out by the troops, for their safety. Of course these weren't combatants disguising themselves as civvies and attempting to blend in with the town folk. It was a very different mentality at the time. They were soldiers proudly wearing a uniform with a conscious that would want to avoid getting civilians killed, even on the other side. When the enemy was headed for a town they would clear out the civilians ahead of time and take up defensive positions as well as perhaps set up ambushes up the road.
These days it would appear most of these low life's couldn't care less about the lives of innocents around them and won't hesitate to hide among them.
@@pictishbynature1522 I know you meant to say "no friendlies" in that last sentence, but just to clarify for others. Agree with this approach too. Just stock up on more flash bangs and frags.
Just finished an individual CQB class. It was great training and one of the things I came away with is if you don’t absolutely have to clear don’t.
Ive done cqb in the army. My whole platoon got wiped out 3 times over fighting against 10 guys in a hellova killhouse.
Theres a reason we have artillery
I remember playing enemy force during one exercise, I took a crate of t-Flashes and ammo and went to a roof. The guys that tried to enter from below kept getting wiped out by me as they didnt know I was there when they rolled up to clear the building. I threw a T-flash and just opened fire from above while they were distracted with the Flash.. then my C7 had a NASTY stoppage, and while I was clearing it, one of the guys from below opened the hatch to the roof I was on and got the drop on me
@@TheMoose126 Petawawa?
This helped me play Tarkov, thank you.
Yep. Rats always gonna have their guns trained on the opening. Grenades are your friend
Clear the room Russian style............. A frag or thermo-baric grenade through every window....................................... non-combatants = S.O.L.
AKlover Serious thou???
In the absence of hostages the way our military clears rooms is stupid. It risks our shooters unnecessarily, if you you do not have offensive (Low Frag) grenades and will not give your soldiers the option to frag and clear from the outset you shouldn't be in that country in the first place. Like most everywhere we have been for the last 16+ years. Civilians and cops are an entirely different and separate issue, i'd err on the side of keeping cops as hamstrung and disarmed as possible given their eagerness to use violence and tendency to use a SWAT teams to brake up poker games, child support warrants, or any time someone calls the cops on their neighbor because he is growing marijuana in his garden.
Our military doesn't typically clear like that unless there is the possibility of friendlies or noncombatants present. Guaranteed no friendlies/noncombatants? F$%# that room and everything in it.
AKlover Fuze the hostage?
Nah... Just BTR the entire room to smithereens... XD
In my old job working for an international security agency, I cleared a large building a few times each month with only one other officer, yet for reasons John explains in this video, I still always felt vulnerable, even though we, of course, had our guns drawn and were wearing 3A body armor.
Room clearing has always been a fear of mine for these very reasons. I never saw how it could possibly be done safely and efficiently and conventionally without a flash grenades in every room or a room clearing drone of some kind. If it were optional, I would love to be able to see through walls by drilling holes and sticking cameras in them or giving good guys X-ray goggles of some kind to use.
Thermal vision could possibly be used? Or cut power to the building and use nightvision. ANYTHING MAN! I HATE THE IDEA OF A FAIR FIGHT WITH A BAD GUY. I WANT 100% ADVANTAGE SO I CAN KEEP FIGHTING AND KILLING FOREVER.
Art Of Warring Dude look up limited penetration room entry.
Thats because it cannot be done safely. Theres a reason the title says its a bad idea, and the door is called the fatal funnel. Unless you have trained enough to be able to do it completely from muscle memory, please dont even attempt it. Thermals cannot see through glass, wood or metal, and it can be hard to distinguish obstacles if they are the same temp as the surroundings. Night vision gives an advantage in the dark, but you sacrifice your field of view and depth perception.
Ashor Yakhnis limited penetration may be better for 1-2 person clearing and better target acquisition/more precise shots. Or if the squad is less experienced or unfamiliar with each other. Not recommended if the enemy has automatic weapons, explosives, or there are a lot of them. The best you can do is have a strong pointman that will make the decision of how far to go in, and everyone who follows keeps up and doesnt go past.
@@Ashorsax limited penetration is laughable. Only cherry tactical teaches this bunk. By all means look it up for a good laugh.
That's why during the city battles on the eastern front, Red Army troops would throw in a couple grenades, after they exploded, starts shooting with submachine guns & move in to the room.
Don’t clear the room of enemies, clear the room of heartbeats.
“Daddy what are you doing!!!!???”
“Clearing the room of heartbeats sweetheart” *flicks weapon off safe*
“AHHHH!”
"Well, this is why i hide behind my expandable shield all fucking match" -Montagne
I would never try to room clear in a home invasion.
My plan is to get low behind my bed with the blankets over me, just the muzzle of my AR-15 poking out, and wait for the jackass to get silhouetted by the light at the end of the hallway (room has a corridor that leads to hall, creating a bottleneck). Since nobody is supposed to be in my place at night but me, I'mma light their ass up. Last thing they'll see is a blinding flash.
I can't imagine how stupid you'd have to be to willingly break into someone's home in the US. On average, 2 out of every 5 homes in America has at least one gun owner, and out here in the country, it's probably more like 2 of every 3 homes. Imagine how difficult it is to professionally clear rooms while wearing protective armor, then imagine trying to search rooms while shaking and sweating from hard drug withdrawl, looking to score some cash and valuables, and then you have some yee-haw like me laying in wait with an AR and a 12ga to turn your torso into a convertible.
You couldn't pay me enough to do room clearing.
would having a flash bang equalize the tactical disadvantage?
14 rooms in the building you are breaching that's 14 flash bangs. First one goes off notifies the threat in the other rooms they get the jump on you while you are still clearing room 1.
It’s true +Zeberdee
But there is also a first element of surprise and a second element. Loss of the first does not mean complete loss of the second. They know you are coming, but not exactly when or from where. This 2nd element isn’t even close to as good as the 1st element, but it’s enough to appreciate the value and capitalize on what can be gained
Just set the place on fire
"hey guys, heres something that is a bad idea"... gives no alternative to clearing the room. tells us what not to do, not what to do. good grief.
He has videos posted on how to clear a room alone, the premise of the video is to consider the downsides of clearing a room if there are other alternatives.
oh he said "tactical advantage" he must be right! he is right about it however sometimes a bad idea is the only idea.
I dont listen to any neckbeard who holds a pistol with 1 hand.
My mother always tells me to clear my room, I'll show her this video now.
I'm a professional door kicker. I now help instruct tactical teams on room clearing and hallway movements. Trust me when I say thier is no perfect technique or tricks you can learn to prevent death or physical harm. This is why tactical teams wear heavy body armor and way many SWAT teams use a body bunker (shield). With constant practice and training all we can do is minimize our risk. Example wearing a bullet resistant vest increases your survival rate 40%. Pying from outside a doorway from one side of the door frame to the other side of the door frame decreases casualties 40%. The FBI reports that 40% of the time a perpetrator is usually hiding in one of far corners of the room waiting to ambush you. Get the picture? All you can do is increase your chances of survival. It's a numbers game.
Clearing a house is easy. Try clearing a ship..that's a nightmare pucker factor of 10. Lol
Forvitnir Other than the amount of time spent clearing, What's the Difference... ? A closed door is a closed door....
XᴛʀᴀDᴇᴘʟᴏʀᴀʙʟᴇ same concepts minus steel bulkheads and lots of threats. Multiple ladder wells with many openings, scuttles, hatches, doors. Even running a 5 man stack was a pain. We had a team with double that and so many levels that a person can get around you and come up behind everything you just cleared. Its doable. It's just a pain
Forvitnir shit.... Hatch doors would be a fuking Nightmare...Didn't think about those... I would just weld that thing shut and sink the ship... the pirates can keep that room..
Forvitnir by hatch door you mean up a ladder, through a "hatch" door head first....? Similar to the exit hatch on a sub...?
XᴛʀᴀDᴇᴘʟᴏʀᴀʙʟᴇ yeah those little fuckers too where you can barely fit with full kit lol. I'll secure those shut if i can but sometimes you just have to go through. You can pop but let's be real lol. I picture wack a mole everytime i go through those
Never been a fan of this incessant step off line talk. Most bullets will not exit the body in the same direction they entered, which completely invalidates that mind set. And your not really making yourself a harder target either, put that energy and brain power into putting accurate rounds on target, not trying to walk backwards at an angle, which isn’t making you as hard of a target as most would think. Not saying not to move in the direction of cover if it’s within a couple of steps, but the off line garbage is ridiculous. If your receiving accurate fire then the fastest way to make yourself a hard target is get smaller(take a knee or hit the deck) and return fire. If there is a piece of cover a step or two away go for it, but that’s not stepping off line, it’s just taking cover. It’s a misunderstood idea that stems from getting out of a kill zone. Just because someone starts shooting at you, doesn’t make it a kill zone and doesn’t mean you need to start skipping and frolicking to an angle away from the threat. Your going to walk off line backwards right into his buddies muzzle. Dumbest tactic I see guys teaching these days, well between that and the idea you need to tea bag your buddies shoulder when he yells reloading. It’s a toss up. As for clearing a room, there is a more aggressive version typically associated with an assault element. From a military perspective there can be time constraints,which will have you moving from room to room very quickly. You are correct, as an individual unless a time constraint is presented, it might not be the best to just go storming room to room. Doesn’t mean however that you can’t clear the room or shouldn’t, just apply different tactics. You will typically be able to clear 95% + of any given room before committing to that room. Begin clearing the room from outside peing off those corners. You will then clear that last small section as you begin committing to that room. This method can and should be used going in and out of any unknowns if there is a probable threat regardless, unless time constraints are present, even then just do what I said but faster. You can use this same method leaving the building, if needed. Unless the time bomb you planted is going off bringing the building down and Tom Cruz is right behind you. In this case just bolt through that door with aggressive abandonment.
Hi, John. In your classes...do you sometimes get "those guys" that will not necessarily argue but reason of "How we did it at Batt"...."How we did it in Group"......."How we did it in Team"......."In Basic, my D.S. taught us"? Thanks for helping in making the World safer for us....and more daring for 'them'.
Andy Prariedog What John said is how Marine Officers are taught at The Basic School. We also talk about OODA Loop and that the enemy has a tactical advantage. First guy through the door very likely will be shot and number 2 man needs to use number 1 as a human shield by grabbing the back of his plate carrier and holding him up while firing M4 with the other hand (hopefully all hits going to the plate armor).
They say that because if they were in team, group most likely they will prevail. Room clearing does work. If you are taught to the highest levels. Certainly did for us and certainly did for the lone SAS lad that wiped out the terrorists at the health resort a couple of days ago when he heard the gunshots grabbed his kit and went it.
Granted if they are strong pointing a room your going to have casualties but as previous guy said we are trained for that too.
Makes me think maybe we need a technological tool to fill the gap, room maybe cameras designed for room clearing.
Thank you so much for making this clear!!
I tell people all the time they are dumb when they talk about "clearing" their house at night, or "clearing the location" in any situation, just because they go to the range and shoot a few mags here and there... It is pathetic how many people think they are some sort of "John Wick" just because they own a pistol and an AR that they will MABEY shoot 1,000 rounds through ever. And not even while moving, not even while in shoot houses, not even under stress... Just flat range, shooting at targets and they think they are going to "clear a building"... It just makes me shake my head and laugh to the point where i can't even bother correcting them anymore because it happens just too often. People watch too many Hollywood movies, and think they could just roll on in and take over a building with their "tactics"... 95% of people who shoot do NOT have what it takes to even remotely even the odds.. And most of them would just get smoked, or become so scared in the moment they would just wait in their bedroom and call 911 anyways... Which is what i advocate... Unless you have children on the other end of the house to protect, then stay in your damn room and wait to ambush the intruder... Don't walk out and let him do the same to you just because you think you can... Stupid people man... Stupid people...
Mr. Dark ive put around 2200 rounds through one of mine for the last year and i still wouldnt want to clear rooms with it
I know this is just some game but in airsoft as well, everyone is all tactical and kept saying stuff about clearing rooms but its easier said than done.. the one defending always has upper advantage. Thats why swat or military use heavy body protection, shields, different types of nades or even a drone and 90% of the time they come in to clear” rooms they fail lol, imagine irl
as silly as it sounds, have those people buy gas blow back airsoft pistols and go head to head with them. it aint real, but it sure as hell will open your eyes when you can barely hit your target from 15 feet away without the actual chance of dying, all the noise, ect ect.
"It is pathetic how many people think they are some sort of "John Wick" just because they own a pistol and an AR that they will MABEY!"
Who is this "Mabey" and how do they stack up against John Wick!?
To be fair, in many/most room-clearing scenarios that any civilian might conceivably actually be engaged in, the target will almost certainly be equally ignorant and fearful and probably not waiting to ambush you. But then again...you can't know that for sure until you clear the room...
Can’t we just send in cybernetic organisms armed with phased plasma rifles in the 40-watt range?
Great video...you know. I knew all of that information but in the subconscious it would seem. Hearing all of that revived that information and I really appreciate that. Good on ya John!
This was why flash-bangs were invented. Granted, in a split second situation you might not have time to light the fuse.
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Pezz Pezzer I wish I were either a next door neighbor or a paid spokesperson. Unfortunately I am niether. I do live somewhat near him but I don't know how close. I live west of Atlanta and I think he now lives just south of Atlanta
Emmanuel Goldstein yes but it is a secret so...... Shhhhhhh.
No I do not know him personally nor have I ever met him
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Once I heard the scenario, all I could think of were all those times I was holed up in a shitshack in PUBG with a gun pointed at the door and the thoughts of “how pissed os the guy that I just killed?”.
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This is really good information for someone in home defense, dont go looking for trouble let it come to you and keep the advantage.
When I was Infantry trained to do this, the bosses expected 80% casualties .... speaks for itself .. :-/
Not being in the military myself I would assume you are trained to avoid bottleneck situations in the first place. Really mitigates the strength in numbers thing. I would think that even if you had 30 guys and there was just one jerk with a machine gun you are essentially forming an orderly line to get shot until he jams, misses or runs out of ammo.
The ability to process so much in so little time.... Stay vigilant....
I use incendiary rounds for home defense because according to democrats, these are heat seeking rounds so when I hear a "bump" in the night I just fire off a round and don't even have to get out of bed. I know it will reach it's target with its thermal tracking sensor.
Lol, nice man!
Well this is news to this Democrat!
Kinda dumb title. He never said what a good idea would be. Clickbait af.
man. that's depressing. Yeah, going to stay away from room clearing.
Train but avoid
Sometimes you have no choice. Sometimes it’s your job.
I understand the philosophy but I don't quite agree.
Have anything to add?
Me neither. John is the WORST ;)
Samuel B and what the fuck do you know about me?
It wasn't a personal attack haha
Looks like everyone is thinking to much into it just because the title John. He was only making the point unless you have time to increase your odds it's gonna take some good karma for you to succeed without negative outcome.
Id only use room clearing to get myself out of a bad area, not to clear a structure, my goal is purely to get out alive.
So what is the alternative? It makes no sense to say rom clearing is bad, when sometimes it is necessary, without offering alternatives.
I can't believe how many people missed the point. The alternative is to know you are at the disadvantage. That's it.
During my last SWAT training before promotion I was the bad guy in the shoot house. Using simunitions I was able to shoot each one of the entry team on their first attempt. OODA loop completion was my advantage. At the end of the day they got to shoot me bloody (fair payback), those rounds found bare skin. Ouch. Flash bang or surprise multiple entries with distraction, works well.
What about threshold clearing?
Is this Dynamic entries or Slice based entries? Because there's data to prove your point either way depending on which technique you use. UFPro has amazing videos on Single person and team Slice based entries and FoF data to prove it can be done relatively "Safely"
What data is there on dynamic entries to prove they're good against resistance?
I always wondered why after the breach the lead man doesn’t have a shield with a sidearm port????
like Rainbow Six Siege?
In some countries they do.
Instructions unclear: shot through walls to ‘clear’ room 😵
i think the french are smarter about room clearing. theyre all carrying level III shields and use pistols instead.
when you enter the roomwith just a rifle it's pretyt much 80% probability you die. its extremely risky.
This is not true. Weapon manipulation is a thing.
I prefer when it is a kill everything that moves type of clearing if its in there and moves it dies much better scenario where I dont get shot as easliy cause that sucks having holes punched in you
man I remember my first clearing. It made me have to shit so bad. Seriously.
Do like russian police, you dont need to clear room if theres no house.
Hi John, I find there are few if any reason for non-law enforcement to clear a room. I have also seen law enforcement (especially federal level) clear a structure they don't need to. If there are innocent people trapped in the building that's totally different. But just bad guy or mutiple bad guys containment works fine. Then you have the advantage. You have options. I also do not understand why the families of debilitating gasses are not used more. Quick, and clean. Yes some risks to the bad guy but you are going to shoot him/them anyway. I guess I must be in a minority there. As for the feds. Well they like headlines. Have to justify their existence I suppose, or they really are in it for the kill. Sorry this is so long
Hamm 603 it's not just the feds. Cops like to be cool guys too. In 5 years they'll be serving no knock warrants well for parking tickets. N
I've always thought that the point man going through a death funnel first was a death sentence, especially if someone knows you're going to be coming through said death funnel
The point man just prays that the guy behind him can yank his ass into cover at the first gun shot
Forget clearing the room, ask for air support, send JDAM and level the house down with all the bad insurgents in it.
He is absolutely correct, that is why the Military Operations in Urban Terrain has a 80% casualty expectancy. We were taught that if the enemy is in the room and wiring for you, the first two people in the room are dead. That is why the SAW gunner is the third person in a stack. If the first two die the SAW Gunner dumps 200 rounds into the room. I was in the infantry and took part in the invasion force into Iraq.
Where did the 80% statistic come from? Do you know the source?
The 80% number comes from the Infantry Bible FM 7-8. They got those numbers from WW2.
However, you can read books like “thank you for my service” and see the numbers are pretty accurate.
@@weathered19 Thank you so much. Been searching for the source for a while.
R S no problem. Playing the Bad guy (OP 4) in MOUT operations is almost better training than doing the MOUT operation. In the military my company played OP 4 against my brigade and inflicted so many casualties our Brigade Commander told us to stop. I learned so much more about my job during mission,
@@weathered19 Would you say Force-on-Force demonstrated errors in our ways and problems with our tactics? Did you see human behaviours that were different to fighting paper?
Man I'd like to see the top of the chart
So do what then? Just bring boards and nails and just cancel that room from the house? Bring the family back in, tell them they lost a room.
Good. Starts very taken-out-of-context but then the point is made quite well