Richter choosing to play the ossia after performing the original shows his musical knowledge and understanding of theme and variation. Brilliant recording!
You're not familiar with his oratorio "Christus" or his choral motets, are you? "Christus" ranks up there with the very best Romantic oratorios (including Brahms' German Requiem and Beethoven's Ninth Symphony), and his motets are some of the best to come out of the Romantic tradition (along with those of Bruckner). Maybe ten percent of Liszt's output is well-known. He definitely over-composed, and he would have benefitted by being more self-critical; but his best works are really outstanding.
@sirshitsalot007 This piece was written late in the composer's life, a time when he was experimenting with many new harmonies. Liszt actually was the first major composer to seriously advocate the abandonment of traditional tonaity. The F at the end was probably a diversion from the f-sharp tonic of the rest of the piece to "create" a new tone center unrelated to the previous tonic. Atonality is really just an extension of this concept to a whole work.
Does anybody know what on Earth the purpose of the F at the end is? My friend and I think it is the strangest thing. It's possibly the strangest ending of a piece by a major composer I know.
I bet there's either an entire story or musical joke behind that final F, it could have been left as a transition to another piece, or it's a misprint that has miraculously stood the test of time. It's moments like that where you wish the composer was still alive so you could ask them. ❤️
It's Mephistopheles' sardonic grin, what aims at knocking sideways all the earthbound mortals. In other words, it's a joke, just like the terminating bronx cheer chord in Ives' 2nd Symphony.
@@pianobern69 He did indeed, he just mentioned in an interview that looking at the past three hundred years of music, except for a couple of composers, everyone of them wrote a few pieces that can be categorized as “weaker” compositions. This was just an example
@@MrTizenhatkarakter Who would assess this piece as the greatness of Liszt in the first place though? There are a multitude of pieces people would consider before this one so where is the value in that statement exactly besides this isn’t his greatest work ? Or was that the point exactly
@@Ace-dv5ce it was simply a “fact” stated by Kocsis that this isn’t the piece to asses the greatness of Liszt. It was, i bet, a kind of hint for those who don’t know which pieces to consider first if it comes to learn about the greatness of Liszt.
That F at the end makes me feel... perturbed...
F in the chat
I mean... F on the score
F
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F for forever
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Richter choosing to play the ossia after performing the original shows his musical knowledge and understanding of theme and variation. Brilliant recording!
6:25 Play F to pay respect
Lol
@@Andrew-mz9rd what
I hate you you were here first
@@milkywaes7058 what
@@carlopedulla874 who
Lizst: _composing an intelligible piece of music_
Me: hmm, that's ok, nice
Lizst: _putting random F at the end of the piece_
Me: nic... *wait what*
Bruh wdym _intelligible piece of music_ 🗿
Liszt's melodies are one of the bests I've ever heard
Btw I think that final F should be eerie and off-putting (which kinda is haha)
You're not familiar with his oratorio "Christus" or his choral motets, are you?
"Christus" ranks up there with the very best Romantic oratorios (including Brahms' German Requiem and Beethoven's Ninth Symphony), and his motets are some of the best to come out of the Romantic tradition (along with those of Bruckner).
Maybe ten percent of Liszt's output is well-known. He definitely over-composed, and he would have benefitted by being more self-critical; but his best works are really outstanding.
I know it's just a coincidence but that f at the end is the perfect transition for his second mephisto waltz S.515
Is it a coincidence though...
It's an F because Liszt was thinking: F*** tonality!
Dear Bach,
Regards Contrapuctus XIV: I couldn't think of an ending either.
Sincerely, "F" Liszt.
@sirshitsalot007 This piece was written late in the composer's life, a time when he was experimenting with many new harmonies. Liszt actually was the first major composer to seriously advocate the abandonment of traditional tonaity. The F at the end was probably a diversion from the f-sharp tonic of the rest of the piece to "create" a new tone center unrelated to the previous tonic. Atonality is really just an extension of this concept to a whole work.
What you mean by "late in the composer's life" is basically his last day alive. This was written on the day he died.
@@quazyk5320 As far as I know, from what I have studied, it was written a few years before his death?
Quazy K:
This piece was composed in 1883 and Liszt died in 1886. All it takes is a little bit of googling
Andrei Anghel opines that it's the mediant of C#, and therefore an imperfect cadence to the dominant.
Does anybody know what on Earth the purpose of the F at the end is? My friend and I think it is the strangest thing. It's possibly the strangest ending of a piece by a major composer I know.
He was probably having a bit of fun
press F
It probably signifies death of some sort
Also Liszt has done this before (Czardas 1, Czardas Obstine, Valse Oubilee 4, probably more)
@@CalamityInAction It signifies "waking up".
Lizst was paying respects, of course
I bet there's either an entire story or musical joke behind that final F, it could have been left as a transition to another piece, or it's a misprint that has miraculously stood the test of time. It's moments like that where you wish the composer was still alive so you could ask them. ❤️
This actually is the second version of the piece, in which the F has been added (compare Liszthesis's video on the first version).
That "f", i'm feeling sad
Key isn’t even in f major. Decided to end on an f. Interestin
I love the F at the end
Press F to pay respects.
F
F
Those chromatic scales are amazing
Anyone here from r/lingling40hrs?
Right here
Yup
F
Hallo.
Yupp
Am i the only one who loves this F in the end?
I love it. It's nice to see a recent comment here...
NO, I love it too!
It's Mephistopheles' sardonic grin, what aims at knocking sideways all the earthbound mortals.
In other words, it's a joke, just like the terminating bronx cheer chord in Ives' 2nd Symphony.
haha random F at the end
Really good piece
But really? A natural F alone?
That F... make me feel alone, and F to respect...
The F at the end isn't that awkward actually..!
Lewis Bae well it was at the beginning, maybe that's why 😬
Plus the tonality is between f# major and minor . So the e# is an f . Maybe that's why too
The F would be the third of the dominant of F# minor: C# major.
This piece is in F# minor with the middle section in major, but not once is there a section with either chord in root position… 🤔
Zoltan Kocsis once said he didnt think this is the right piece to assess the greatness of Liszt
I thought Kocsis liked late Liszt
Still this is legendary
@@pianobern69 He did indeed, he just mentioned in an interview that looking at the past three hundred years of music, except for a couple of composers, everyone of them wrote a few pieces that can be categorized as “weaker” compositions. This was just an example
@@MrTizenhatkarakter Who would assess this piece as the greatness of Liszt in the first place though? There are a multitude of pieces people would consider before this one so where is the value in that statement exactly besides this isn’t his greatest work ? Or was that the point exactly
@@Ace-dv5ce it was simply a “fact” stated by Kocsis that this isn’t the piece to asses the greatness of Liszt. It was, i bet, a kind of hint for those who don’t know which pieces to consider first if it comes to learn about the greatness of Liszt.
1882-83.
@HerrMichaelKohlhaas Actually, my previous comment was for you.
I can't believe Richter drags the tempo in some places! Interesting...
faktablad it's called taking a deep breath 😛
Boris lo it's called rubato
PRESS F TO PAY RESPECTS
What an ending
Coda's at 5:58
Play F for respect
F
No.
Final F is for F Liszt…
F
…a bit like Carmen…
That F makes me feel so weird...
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