I actually like the M3 as the whole body has sharp lines which kind of fits with the grille, but on the M4 it has a round body and then just boom a very angular and weird front.
@@0xESK1MO well it is, but the 4 series looks a lot different from the 3 now compared to f82 m4 and f80 M3. And I think the ugliest of them all is the normal 4 series as it has the grille in Chrome
Yeah the M3 is much better. This feels boring but that is kinda cool. I'm still not a fan of the grille. It's best in black because it hides it somewhat
To be honest, I kinda like the new M4's looks. The non M and M Sport looks meh due to the chrome highlight grille. The yellow and green make them pop. At first didn't like the new look, but it kinda grew on me.
Yeah, I kinda hate the non M looks, but the M4 grew on me a lot and I think it looks very good. The new M2 on the other hand.. I am sure I will always hate it
I mean Theo I don't think BMW can do far worse with M4 , its just the front grill looks bizzare to me , just why change it ? Also I prefer BMW M1 E26 !
@@noland5345 Sorry I'm not a big fan a pig nose like grill , in fact M4 is not even better than previous M3 , which M3 E46 was better , you should grow up 🤣
@@noland5345 It looks so sick that you are sick and can't talk. Only 20% people like that and that aligns more with the percentage of kids rather than adult, kid.
Theo - to answer the main question, over the last decade and a half, BMW has been changing their lineup to accommodate the even-starting models as “coupes.” e.g., 1, 3, 5, 7 series are all sedans, 2, 4, 6 and 8 series are all coupes. Although it doesn’t make much sense anymore when they make four-door versions of said coupes.
I quite that I seen this M4 Competition on RUclips called slowspeed. And it looks okay but this grill is a weird design from bmw factory than our 2022 M340i Xdrive.
Series 4 in BMW's lineup is an direct answer to Audi's A5. Audi A4's are a sedan version of the car and A5 are just coupe. Same with BMW where Series 3 is a sedan and Series 4 is a coupe.
to your comment about the chassis types of BMW - the 1, 3, and 5 were always classic sedans, meanwhile the 2, 4 and 6 were coupés. for example take a look at the X-lineup with the X3M being the sporty six cylinder SUV meanwhile the X4M is literally the same car except it has the coupéish design. same with the sedans and M3/M4 series.
I think BMW went from exclusively making performance vehicles to more "family" oriented ideally with little performance added within the last few years.
I like the BMW i8 to the extent beyond by own imagination, especially given that I don't quite like both BMW and plug-in hybrid cars at first hand. But I guess the design and flow she gives me catches my soul.
@@Ren_1106 Even if BMW just tuned the 4 cylinder to some decent power, it would be much better(still prefer a German delicately tuned v8 or v8tt). The i series depends on the electric part too much, due to its "eco" purpose, which ruin the performance of normal engine. I still like its look tho, especially front and side.
I love my f30 328i and owned e36 and e92. For a daily it is just perfect and still has the dynamics of the previous cars. It doesn’t have that analog feeling but it’s a trade off for everything else. But I also plan to get m2 for a weekend fun car
The germans fell out of love with the cars, especially BMW. The M5 CS only exists to chase lap times and that shitty 0-60 number. Aaaaand then the Plaid beats it in both aspects. So if performance isn't the best, the experience should be, but because BMW chases lap times, that ruined the experience. Sadly it's not just BMW, it's the whole industry, maybe except the Miata and the Toyobaru
I mean.. it's like the mk5 supra or the new Z, people don't like "a new version" of their fav Cars.. You get used to it, just like with the new M4 Btw, I go with an e24 or e28. These beauties are amazing
The only BMW i'd actually go out of my way to buy it's the M3 GTR, then mod the hell out of it and make it my childhood dream car, with Theo is also making, but as Mad Max also said in his game "It's gotta be V8!"
My most favorite is the BMW M3 e46 GTR Street version my 2nd favorite would have to be the BMW M3/M3 GTS e92. I like the normal M3 e46 but for me the V8 just takes the cake
@BlackPanthaa I don't agree with you, and I will argue why, E90 M3 V8 S65, S63 BMW engines has terrible reliability rod bearings and blow up really quickly i'm saw how much racers replace that engine in race. I'm glad they still doing Inline 6 it's much more reliable, less fuel consumtion, lighter, faster. BMW inline 6 it's a tradition for 3 series and 4 series cars, so i hope they never change that tradition. BMW E39 last reliable V8
The numbers at BMW indicate the class not the size, the 4 series is a higher class of vehicle cause it’s classified as a sports car, the 3 series is classified as a sedan
Well personally ya right Theo about the ability to change or switch the drivechain like NFSPB like with BMW M5 F90. But tbh I like the OG BMW M3 E46 GTR AND the BMW M750i E30 3.0 Homage CSL. M4.
2 doors has never been better in any case. Aesthetics are better, making a car more beautiful and even then it depends on a person. But 4 doors is more practical and most of the time more comfortable for passengers to sit
If you, in most cases drive in the car on your own having 2 doors is so much nicer. You get a way bigger entrance so you can seat way more comfortably instead of wrapping yourself around the B-pillar. If you carry people of then yea its not a good idea. Apart from when you have a family, a lot of car the cars on the road you go past have just one or 2 persons in them.
New BMWs look so hideous, if you're wondering why they changed their whole philosophy and made those abysmal designs with huge grilles, it's because they want to cater to Chinese market who likes those kind of "rich" designs.
@@dybixs1400 again, tell the engineers that. The people that studied how to make cars for decades, and literally get paid to make these things work without flaws. Could the car work with a smaller grill? Probably, but it's always better to have something important (like cooling) be oversized, so the car doesn't overheat and fuck up the engine
BMW made that grille because Chinese buyers see a large grille as a status symbol. Aston Martin on the other hand have promised they will never make a large grille, lol.
The electric M4 looks very similar to the normal one. Honestly I'm a big fan of that. Much better than the ugly "ooh look at me I'm an ev" styling (and wheels) of stuff like the mini electric.
My favourite BMW at this moment and time, and wish i could change to one as well.. BMW 335d M-Sport Touring.. 313hp & 630Nm from factory, and able to push circa 400hp & 750Nm with a decent remap
5:14 Even numbers in the BMW Series have always represented the coupe version of the Odd numbered saloon/hatchback variant For example the 2 series is the coupe version of the 1 series, 4 series of the 3, 6 of the 5 and so on!
I literally had to jolt myself off from sleeping when i looked at this car in the garage '_' and no its not theo speaking, this car actually puts me to sleep i dont know what it is
"2 doors are better than 4" actually it's 3 doors and 5 doors ... but i know what you meant "surely the m4 should be a 4 door" that's not how the world works buddy
I have to disagree with Theo because the G80 M3 is a not bad looking car if you compare it to the G82 M4. My favorite BMW M cars based on looks are: E46 M3, E36 M3, E39 M5, E60 M5, F80 M3/F82 M4, G80 M3, E90/E92/E93 M3. I’m sorry, the E9X is good looking but looks way too fat for me…
I actually like the M3 as the whole body has sharp lines which kind of fits with the grille, but on the M4 it has a round body and then just boom a very angular and weird front.
so M4 actually a renamed M3 Coupe
That's what i've been saying, people be hating on the new grille too much but it actually fits the M3
@@0xESK1MO well it is, but the 4 series looks a lot different from the 3 now compared to f82 m4 and f80 M3. And I think the ugliest of them all is the normal 4 series as it has the grille in Chrome
@@dawnbreaker8288 yes it does in black
Yeah the M3 is much better. This feels boring but that is kinda cool. I'm still not a fan of the grille. It's best in black because it hides it somewhat
Just a reminder that the front grille still has a massive horizontal beam stretching across it, so it's not even bigger for airflow.
It’s bigger for the oink oink power
@@wzeng6043 ah, of course, that must be it.
To be honest, I kinda like the new M4's looks. The non M and M Sport looks meh due to the chrome highlight grille.
The yellow and green make them pop.
At first didn't like the new look, but it kinda grew on me.
Yeah, I kinda hate the non M looks, but the M4 grew on me a lot and I think it looks very good. The new M2 on the other hand.. I am sure I will always hate it
why is the new m angry lookin the 2014 ones looked polite and this shit looking fierce
i like the m4 and the m3 overall look is cool the nose meh but yknow it doesnt look all to bad
I mean, it grows on you, until you remember how much better older cars looked. E92, F80, etc
No, you grow numb to it because you realize there's nothing you can do.
I mean Theo I don't think BMW can do far worse with M4 , its just the front grill looks bizzare to me , just why change it ? Also I prefer BMW M1 E26 !
Nah it looks sick grow up😂
@@noland5345 me when i lie
@@noland5345 Sorry I'm not a big fan a pig nose like grill , in fact M4 is not even better than previous M3 , which M3 E46 was better , you should grow up 🤣
@@noland5345 Nah you should grow up 🤣
@@noland5345 It looks so sick that you are sick and can't talk. Only 20% people like that and that aligns more with the percentage of kids rather than adult, kid.
Theo - to answer the main question, over the last decade and a half, BMW has been changing their lineup to accommodate the even-starting models as “coupes.” e.g., 1, 3, 5, 7 series are all sedans, 2, 4, 6 and 8 series are all coupes.
Although it doesn’t make much sense anymore when they make four-door versions of said coupes.
My favorite is the E92 M3, but the dream would be the E90 M3 in Interlagos Blue with an E92 tailight swap.
I prefer F80 M3’s. Has the perfect balance between looks and equipment. Plus they’re heavily modifiable.
+, Too bad it's not in racing games(
Yes
I agree they are getting worse and worse. I always love 90's and 00's cars more then todays cars.
The thing that ruins the car for me is: 1, the badge, 2, the rabbit teeth grille.
the badge? what kind of if i may ask?
I quite that I seen this M4 Competition on RUclips called slowspeed. And it looks okay but this grill is a weird design from bmw factory than our 2022 M340i Xdrive.
My Favorite will always be the E39 M5! Beautiful looking, and a sexy sounding V8.
Yeah,E39 is beautiful. As well as E38 M7
@@sk1dzzz608 lol M7 doesn’t exist
Series 4 in BMW's lineup is an direct answer to Audi's A5. Audi A4's are a sedan version of the car and A5 are just coupe. Same with BMW where Series 3 is a sedan and Series 4 is a coupe.
I used to hate that grill but after seeing it so much and in person I got used to it and it’s kinda badass, still wish they changed it tho
Pants: something about the white, me like
Me *looks at his wife *: ahh I see
to your comment about the chassis types of BMW - the 1, 3, and 5 were always classic sedans, meanwhile the 2, 4 and 6 were coupés. for example take a look at the X-lineup with the X3M being the sporty six cylinder SUV meanwhile the X4M is literally the same car except it has the coupéish design. same with the sedans and M3/M4 series.
I think BMW went from exclusively making performance vehicles to more "family" oriented ideally with little performance added within the last few years.
1000%
I like the BMW i8 to the extent beyond by own imagination, especially given that I don't quite like both BMW and plug-in hybrid cars at first hand. But I guess the design and flow she gives me catches my soul.
Rear looks like it's pooping out a 911 but got half stuck.
@@jkliao6486 yeah, thats why id get a black one or have that part of the car black and tint the lights so it doesnt look like a 911 haha
I wish BMW i8 has bigger engine than stupid 4 cylinder engine with electric.
@@Ren_1106 Even if BMW just tuned the 4 cylinder to some decent power, it would be much better(still prefer a German delicately tuned v8 or v8tt). The i series depends on the electric part too much, due to its "eco" purpose, which ruin the performance of normal engine. I still like its look tho, especially front and side.
@@justicedeath4035 Agree.
I love my f30 328i and owned e36 and e92. For a daily it is just perfect and still has the dynamics of the previous cars. It doesn’t have that analog feeling but it’s a trade off for everything else. But I also plan to get m2 for a weekend fun car
I understand your thoughts about the names of compared to the size of the cars. Great video mate.
Seasonal depression thats a better name :D From now on this is
Considering that a electric Dodge Charger is coming...yes, new cars are getting worse
They have been getting worse for quite some time
I actually... Kind of like the grill
Fav BMW is probably the E39 540i Touring. V8 and cool body style
The only part of the new M4 I hate is the grille.
I agree. It looks so hideous.
Agreed
*On a technical level: No*
*On ”soul” level: Yes*
The germans fell out of love with the cars, especially BMW. The M5 CS only exists to chase lap times and that shitty 0-60 number. Aaaaand then the Plaid beats it in both aspects. So if performance isn't the best, the experience should be, but because BMW chases lap times, that ruined the experience.
Sadly it's not just BMW, it's the whole industry, maybe except the Miata and the Toyobaru
I mean.. it's like the mk5 supra or the new Z, people don't like "a new version" of their fav Cars..
You get used to it, just like with the new M4
Btw, I go with an e24 or e28. These beauties are amazing
I mean this isn't just a new version of their car, bmw threw has thrown the most iconic and recognizable part of their design in the trash
@@usrnewxnew5227 2jz is 20 year old tech that with a tune and downpipe isn't gonna make the power and torque the b58 does with the same
@@stylepoints.180 what did I ever say about that
E92 M3 GTS👌🏼
Perfect machine!
W comment.
Ah yes, a BMW with the ugly front of Dodge Super 8 Hemi. Who asked for this?
The M3 GTS was peak automobile for me.
The e92?
@@spookyreaper1702 - what other M3 GTS there?
@@MaximusOverdrive didn’t know they didn’t come out with a f80 gts. So only the e92 sorry 😅
The only BMW i'd actually go out of my way to buy it's the M3 GTR, then mod the hell out of it and make it my childhood dream car, with Theo is also making, but as Mad Max also said in his game "It's gotta be V8!"
i love your forza and nfs videos i am so happy this video of forza just came out love it keep it up pants man! 👌👌
My favourite BMW is the E39 M5 and the touring big V8 noise's
Hence why more 90s and 2000s daily drivers need to be there in Forza!!
Any M4 : * fine *
This one : *" ASPIRATUS MEGANOSE "*
I quite like the new m3/4. Irl it looks a lot nicer
I'd have to agree, I legit had a nightmare about the Lavoiture Noire once lol.
What? Bro I gotta know how it went if you don't mind
I think the grilles look good but it’s very spec dependant
I also think tjat
No
i personally love the BMW M1. just the retro styling of the car, pop ups ,the aerodynamic shape,the engine is just a chef's kiss
My most favorite is the BMW M3 e46 GTR Street version my 2nd favorite would have to be the BMW M3/M3 GTS e92.
I like the normal M3 e46 but for me the V8 just takes the cake
Theo is an Automotive Oldhead
These cars in person look amazing. Wait till you drive them as well
I recently got a V8 BMW, a' 98 540i, and it sounds glorious just with a muffler delete!
Pushrod V8 or overhead cam V8 which sound do you guys prefer more
i think the bmw m4 looks nice and its parts stock like the car fully stock makes the physics look realistic
E92 M3 6speed Manual!
I wonder what it would look like with a rocket bunny kit or liberty walk
Aftermarket companies are already making bumpers to fix the ugly grill in the BMW M4
unpopular opinion: The M3 G80 is the best M3 of all time.
The E46 Convertible Is The Best End Of Conversation...
@BlackPanthaa I don't agree with you, and I will argue why, E90 M3 V8 S65, S63 BMW engines has terrible reliability rod bearings and blow up really quickly i'm saw how much racers replace that engine in race. I'm glad they still doing Inline 6 it's much more reliable, less fuel consumtion, lighter, faster. BMW inline 6 it's a tradition for 3 series and 4 series cars, so i hope they never change that tradition. BMW E39 last reliable V8
haha 5:26 missed flag :D this is just nightmare for me . that looks still ok
The numbers at BMW indicate the class not the size, the 4 series is a higher class of vehicle cause it’s classified as a sports car, the 3 series is classified as a sedan
Well personally ya right Theo about the ability to change or switch the drivechain like NFSPB like with BMW M5 F90. But tbh I like the OG BMW M3 E46 GTR AND the BMW M750i E30 3.0 Homage CSL. M4.
2 doors has never been better in any case. Aesthetics are better, making a car more beautiful and even then it depends on a person. But 4 doors is more practical and most of the time more comfortable for passengers to sit
If you, in most cases drive in the car on your own having 2 doors is so much nicer. You get a way bigger entrance so you can seat way more comfortably instead of wrapping yourself around the B-pillar. If you carry people of then yea its not a good idea. Apart from when you have a family, a lot of car the cars on the road you go past have just one or 2 persons in them.
If I could change one thing about it, it would be the grill.
New BMWs look so hideous, if you're wondering why they changed their whole philosophy and made those abysmal designs with huge grilles, it's because they want to cater to Chinese market who likes those kind of "rich" designs.
Cooling. This and the G20 3 series has I think 2 more radiators then the previous gen, so they needed the extra cooling of this grill
@@istvanlorinczi2817 they needed extra but not that much 💀
@@dybixs1400 i'm sure you know it better then the engineers making it
@@istvanlorinczi2817 I mean, it's pretty obvious that the grill didn't needed to be THAT big and hideous
@@dybixs1400 again, tell the engineers that. The people that studied how to make cars for decades, and literally get paid to make these things work without flaws. Could the car work with a smaller grill? Probably, but it's always better to have something important (like cooling) be oversized, so the car doesn't overheat and fuck up the engine
BMW made that grille because Chinese buyers see a large grille as a status symbol.
Aston Martin on the other hand have promised they will never make a large grille, lol.
The electric M4 looks very similar to the normal one. Honestly I'm a big fan of that. Much better than the ugly "ooh look at me I'm an ev" styling (and wheels) of stuff like the mini electric.
“Seasonal Depression” 😂
Weird, I hated it with a passion but it grew on me in the end.
Still very nice BMW M4 tuned, Theo!!
Don’t care if the heritage of M3 is 2 door coupes, the 4 door M3s look so much better than the M4s because of the wide rear arches
I do like the vertical grill change up but it's a to tall
The alliance that Britain and Germany have always needed since 1945, a German car with Bri - ish "teeth"
My favourite BMW at this moment and time, and wish i could change to one as well..
BMW 335d M-Sport Touring.. 313hp & 630Nm from factory, and able to push circa 400hp & 750Nm with a decent remap
I have a e90 328i manual so I guess I'd have to say that because it's the only one I've driven or even been in.
5:14 Even numbers in the BMW Series have always represented the coupe version of the Odd numbered saloon/hatchback variant
For example the 2 series is the coupe version of the 1 series, 4 series of the 3, 6 of the 5 and so on!
The Alfa Romeo M4 Q60 jokes aside I like the way that car looks despite the giant split grills
The rear looks like a Lexus LC F to me
Absolute favorite would have to be the E12, second favorite the E31.
The new BMW look like a Transformer trying to be a beaver...
You must play the mode of most-wanted Wanted 2012
Looking at getting a z4 35is tbh
I literally had to jolt myself off from sleeping when i looked at this car in the garage '_' and no its not theo speaking, this car actually puts me to sleep i dont know what it is
I dont get the dislike behind the new BMW designs the cars look so aggressive and something out of cyberpunk.
Did i just delete forza then this gets added?
The bmw m4 is not a bad car it's good actually
I love it when you say the grill is a pig nose🐽🐽😂😂😂
I really like the M4 '14 and the M2. Both are really great cars.
The 4 Series being the 4dr version wouldn't make sense
I hated the grills at first but I grew too them
I actually love how this car looks.
Where's Chris Bangle When You Need Him...
I like the bmw e30 as it’s very light and fast Wich makes it perfect for drag race’s
I thought there was going to be an M3 GTR video today.
Would have preferred the estate version. But that front grill is horrific.
I think the m4 looks really good 👌🏼
This New BMW M4 Is Not Good Looking
I Prefer The Old One Before This
NO! Supra needs the 1uz. It fits the car perfectly
my two favourites are probabky the e60 m5 and the e30 m3
"2 doors are better than 4"
actually it's 3 doors and 5 doors ...
but i know what you meant
"surely the m4 should be a 4 door"
that's not how the world works buddy
This game is so nice but you get less customization then NFA heat
BMW M4 new look is amazing
I have to disagree with Theo because the G80 M3 is a not bad looking car if you compare it to the G82 M4. My favorite BMW M cars based on looks are: E46 M3, E36 M3, E39 M5, E60 M5, F80 M3/F82 M4, G80 M3, E90/E92/E93 M3. I’m sorry, the E9X is good looking but looks way too fat for me…
How do u get this car???
New merch when
You're opinion about the car is correct.
Guys anyone know how i can fix draw distance? Plzzz help
They acting like we won’t engine swap electric cars 😂😂😂
Why do these people hate the car so much? I mean you its ugly but for me it's beautiful!
I don't see many on the road.. but amazing review!
Theo the new bmws are getting worse but my favourite bmw got to be an m2 competition with the manual box
I’ve liked the G8X front end since the beginning, and I do prefer the m3 over the m4, I like the hips