What's My Line? - Tony Randall; Chris Noel; PANEL: Phyllis Newman, Allen Ludden (Feb 5, 1967)
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- MYSTERY GUEST: Tony Randall; Chris Noel
PANEL: Phyllis Newman, Arlene Francis, Allen Ludden, Bennett Cerf
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Chris Noel is 81 now and has achieved a lot in her life - a great person and a hell of a beauty
Tony Randall is hilarious as a mystery guest. The best we have ever seen. SOOO FUNNNY.
He performed similarly in an earlier MG appearance, so check it out!
A perfect gentleman in every Way PERIOD!
It's evident that there really was a great deal of Felix Unger inside of Tony Randall. He was BORN for that role.
I think the same could be said for Jack Klugman playing Oscar Madison. All the roles I saw him play were very relaxed.
My older brothers served, but I barely missed Vietnam. So I had to check on Chris Noel and found she was shot down TWICE in helicopters! What a lady!
I just want to thank you again for these wonderful, light-hearted diversions.
Me too!
Tony Randall appeared on WML three times, and Bennett Cerf guessed his identity each time. Cerf did it each time with few clues, suggesting that he identified his voice patterns. Cerf appears to have been very good at identifying mystery guests based on their speech patterns.
think it was mostly because of his work via which he had firsthand knowledge of who was in town & who wasn't.
@@sagarsaxena6318 His work, as an executive of the publisher Random House, did not necessarily give him first-hand knowledge of who was in town. He knew who was in town because he read or scanned Variety, Motion Picture Daily, and the Hollywood Reporter, and because he got the bulldog edition of the New York Daily News, which allowed him to read about what had happened as late as Sunday morning. Nevertheless, it was Cerf who complained when he couldn't hear a guest answer a question, so we have to assume that hearing the guests was important to him.
Chris Noel was a stunner.
Aww I love Tony Randall!
Bennett’s comment was the best. “what do you mean you know her, you didn’t even recognize her.” lol (the comment could’ve been directed to Allen as well) 😂
Tony Randal had the best voice I've ever heard on this show!
*Randall
Tony did GREAT with his voice - the best ever!
Tony Randall was so good at the mystery guest. What a talent he was. Miss him very much.
The last mystery guest appearance of Tony Randall, who started showing up on WML around 1956. He was quite young then and in a Broadway musical.
His first appearance on WHAT'S MY LINE? was as a guest panelist on 9 September 1956, during which time he was playing E.K. Hornbeck in the original Broadway production of Jerome Lawrence and Robert E. Lee's INHERIT THE WIND. He was one year removed from the end of MR. PEEPERS (in which he played Harvey Weskit) on TV. He had been one of the stars of the musical OH, MEN! OH, WOMEN! a couple of years before, and he would star in OH, CAPTAIN! a year and a half after this initial appearance (and made his next two guest panelist appearances during that show's 5 1/2 month run on Broadway).
Wonderful entertainment!!!❤
I listened to 4 selections from Tony's LP and all I can say is, you have to be a real fan of Tony and 1920s music to get this.
You can tell the years have passed, as they do to all. John and Bennett are showing their age here.
What’s funny is that Daly was only in his early 50s here and already looks as old as Cerf. Meanwhile, Miss Francis who was also older than Daly remains looking quite young. JCD aged so quickly by the time he had hit his mid 30s.
You can listen to Tony sing "Winchester Cathedral" on youtube where he finishes with "vo oh de oh do." The song was a novelty item as orignally released anyway and was covered by others. Tony's version is not bad, not great. Must not have sold too well because he didn't make too many other recordings.
I didn't know Tony Randall was that much of a singer, although he did appear briefly doing that on a special primetime episode of "The Gong Show" in 1977.
After hearing that Phyllis Newman was only playing two matinees a week in The Apple Tree, I had to go to ibdb.com to find out who played her role in the evenings. It was Barbara Harris.
Chris Noel's helicopter was shot down twice in Vietnam, but she fortunately survived to tell the tale.
Good voice disguise by Tony Randall.
If only we could see this in its colour broadcast form. Those closeups are lovely.
I notice WML had some go-to subjects. Flag poles. Bull Fighters. Private Detectives. Massage Therapists. Unusual makeup products.
Lady barbers for men!
Arlene was so smart at this game.
In 1980, Chris Noel starred with O.J. Simpson in a TV film produced by his production company, Orenthal Productions, called "Detour to Terror", which his wife, Nicole Brown, was an uncredited extra.
I really wish I was making all of this up. But I'm not.
Glad she survived her OJ encounter.
Phyllis. You'd think she was getting gambits in game two. Never thought flagpoles could be so funny.
Yes, mm, hmm, yes I have. Tony Randall is so different from those who come on the show and give the same boring squeak answer every single time. Tony, you were so funny and a cutie besides.
Chris Noel's other game show credit was on a Special Armed Forces week of "Password" (March 27-31, 1967), with Roger Smith (Ann-Margret's husband).
Love Tony Randall! 🌼
Chris Noel's side business in Vietnam makes me think of the Robin Williams character in "Good Morning Vietnam".
While Adrian Cronauer was a non-commissioned officer in the U.S. Air Force who was stationed in South Vietnam when he was on the air there for Armed Forces Radio, Chris Noel was a civilian who mostly recorded her one hour show in Los Angeles. But that makes her willingness to go to Vietnam and expose herself directly to danger that much more brave.
Perhaps the most famous DJ to have a show on Armed Forces Radio in Vietnam was Pat Sajak.
Interesting question asked: "What do the boys most want to hear?" Since 1967, we're not talking just "boys" in the military any more.
Brilliant !!!
Speaking of Barry Goldwater, he had a flagpole that rose and descended with the sunrise and sunset at his Arizona estate.
Joe Postove
...Or speaking of flagpoles....
I saw Bennett Cerf looking at that blonde as she was walking off the stage. LOL
Tony was the best
I first became aware of Tony Randall when he played Felix Unger on The Odd Couple. Apparently it wasn't that big a stretch for him to play the role, as he was a lot like Felix in real life.
c. 2:25 > > Bennett's timing of that joke is horrible. It is chilling to hear Bennett talking about John keeping his job on WML when within a few weeks CBS dropped the ax on the enterprise.
I think Alan Ludden looked somewhat embarrassed when Bennett told national television regarding Chris Noel - "Know her? You didn't even recognize her!". Everyone laughed if course, but I don't think Alan found it that funny
Actually, I think Allen has the look of someone who is about to explain but was cut off by a combination of Bennett and John.
A few weeks ago I watched a few episodes of "Password" that aired in the last week of March 1967. It was a salute to the Armed Forces week and all of the non-celebrity contestants were active military personnel. Their celebrity partners were Roger Smith and Chris Noel. Considering that "Password" episodes were pre-recorded, the taping of those episodes had to be forthcoming very soon. In fact that may be why Miss Noel was in NYC because she normally recorded her shows in Los Angeles.
Most likely Allen was cut off from explaining that he had heard about Miss Noel because of the upcoming episodes of "Password" that she would grace with her presence but hadn't actually met her yet. It was a shame because if Allen hadn't been interrupted, it would have provided the opportunity for a nice plug of another Goodson-Todman show, for Miss Noel and for a number of U.S. servicemen and servicewomen.
PS - A big deal was also made about Miss Noel's miniskirts on "Password".
Tony Randall's first claim to fame was in radio, most notably on the beloved series "I Love a Mystery". He mentioned something about he and Arlene being on radio together and I wonder if was ILAM?
Unfortunately, he dissed radio as a medium - and his experiences on radio - in his interview with Chuck Schaden years ago. (I think that the interview appears in Chuck's book SPEAKING OF RADIO. His interview was the only one in the book that took that tone or perspective.)
Tony Randall was also on a TV show called..Mister Peepers ..starring Wally Cox.. in the very early 1950"s..
Bennett acts like he'd never seen a miniskirt before. It had been introduced at least two years previous to this episode's air date!
Thus John Daly's comment in response that Bennett is often a few years behind but eventually gets it.
Most people Bennett's age are a few years behind. Even more so in those days. Meanwhile I'm 54 and in today's superficial, gadget-obsessed, phone-gazing, "holes-in-the-knee" jeans wearing, junk-filled young person's world I feel like an utter dinosaur.
@@davidsanderson5918 I whole-heartedly agree!
The mini skirt came out in 1964.
I know Gary said that the show was repeating lines more often in this last year, but haven't we had a number of female DJ's and at least one other armed forces broadcaster?
Somehow the producers of "Password" managed to save some color videotapes of "Password" 1966-67.
Tony asks who originated oh-vo-de-o-do, I would hazard to guess Rudy Vallee.
An interesting discussion about the term at this web page:
rec.antiques.radio-phono.narkive.com/NRC5A0oz/oh-vo-de-oh-do-history
Surely goes back to the 1920s?
Vietnam was a tragic abomination. A nationalistic war we had no business in. Great What's My Line. Tony Randall was one of a kind.
I like Phyllis Newman as the replacement for Dorothy spot.
Why did Phyllis get a "no" when she guessed that the woman played records?? Like isn't that what a disc jockey does?
After the demise of "What's My Line?" where he became one of the significant guest panelists, Tony Randall became significant on "The Hollywood Square" where I remember him dressing very well and sometimes wearing sunglasses because each square had an intense light for television camera purposes. Hollywood Square did admit to providing panelists with joke answers. One time when Paul Lynde and Tony Randall appeared on the same episode, Peter Marshall asked Paul Lynde: "Tony Randall knows 7 of these completely. What are they?" Lynde replied without missing a beat: "Commandments." The real answer was indeed -- operas. And I do remember him on the Metropolitan Opera broadcast intermission panels.
I had no idea that Tony Randall was so interested and knowledgeable in opera.
But Mr Randall wouldnt be on HS for two years (69-80, 42 appearances). He starred in the Odd Couple for 5 years starting in 1970. He was perfect for the Felix role.
Interesting. In my memory it seems like he appeared more often than 42.
soulierinvestments
I thought so too. But thats according to IMDB. Maybe its because we enjoyed him so much on the program.
druidbros I doubt that the imdb listings on a show like Hollywood Squares are complete. It's user-created information, and most of the series is lost-- that makes gathering this sort of information impossible unless the person doing it has access to production records.
Arlene should have been hoisted to the post of head of "Keep America Beautify", a Johnson program that he kicked back to Lady Bird during his term. Sadly, Lady Bird was forced to flee the country to make the program work.
This would have been the 17th anniversary show, had they noticed it.
Almost, Loop...Thursday February 2, 1950 at 8:00 p.m. ET was the start date. But I get what you mean.
Good observation, loopshackr.
Kind of sad that they didn't mention that -- especially considering that it turned out to be their last season. I'm not sure that they mentioned it *every* other year, but I certainly remember several anniversary episodes in which they made a bit of a fuss over the fact, or at least mentioned it.
Had they perhaps already been given the word, privately, by CBS that the show was going to be cancelled? Perhaps that's why they didn't mention the anniversary on the air.
Does anyone mention the 17th anniversary of anything?
@@davidsanderson5918 Clearly you’ve never been married - for longer than one year!
"Tiger in his tank": for those who are young -- it was an oil company slogan. I forget which one.
It was one of the oil/gas companies. Perhaps Texaco or Mobil.
Mobil, I wager.
soulierinvestments
ESSO.
LOA1955
Yes, Esso, maybe also Humble or Enco and others. Due to a snarl of territorial trademarks, Standard Oil of New Jersey (S-O, get it?) had to use different brands in different areas. By 1972 they rolled it all up (including the tiger) under "Exxon," a made-up brand name designed to have no meaning or reference to anything else. (Thanks, Wiki.)
Esso & Enco before they were unified with the single name EXXON
SORRY, THIS SHOW IS NOT THE SAME WITHOUT DOROTHY KILGALLEN.
He does
All 3 times Tony Randal is MG Bennett asks if he has been on the panel before. Then...he guesses right.
The way the men on the panel talk to Miss X almost makes me embarrassed to be male. "Did you, um, did you start training for this, uh... when you were, uh... a very young girl?" Creepy as hell.
Steve27775 their thinking was she was either a singer or gymnast so not so creepy
Or possibly ballet ... also not creepy.
What's with Phyllis's deliberate "looking away" when Arlene takes her place at the panel? 1:45
Yeah I saw that Arlene belongs there not her, and Bennett that joke, what the hell was he talking about 🤔. The show was never the same without Dorothy. RIP
I don't think it was anything personal. I suspect she didn't know she was in the shot and was just having a look at the audience. At this point of the introductions they usually have a closer shot of the "introducer" and then the "introducee" but occasionally they go to that wide shot. I've seen Arlene and Dorothy do it in previous episodes when they've come out first.
Was Password still in black and white during the day?
I remember when there was no football on, CBS programmed much of the day on Sunday (or at least mornings and late afternoons). Wikipedia does not have Sunday network scheds, but does anyone else know what would have been on CBS Sundays before primetime at about this time?
I recall Ted Mack's The Original Amateur Hour, College Bowl (quiz), and The 20th Century w/ Walter Cronkite.
loopshackr I would like to see a Sunday network schedule for all three networks. It would be interesting what they did between seasons, and those that had less sports programming. I recall all of those programs, which if they were on at the same time (including Password) would have edged into mid afternoon.
loopshackr I remember at some point "The 20th Century" became "The 21st Century". Also between 1961 and 1966, "Mr. Ed" was usually seen at 6:30 ET. I wonder why he was never shoved into primetime somewhere?
Joe Postove "Mr Ed" wasn't aired in prime time? Really???
What's My Line? The first year was in syndication (which was rare for either first run or rerun sitcoms) it ran wherever the station wanted to run it. When CBS picked it up in 1961, it is my memory (willing to be corrected by you marvelous TV mavens) that it ran until 1966 in the 6:30 to 7:00 PM slot on Sundays. And then there was Lassie. I remember being upset with my brother in the 60's for watching Bonanza at 9 on Sunday Night (thus exiling me to my 12 inch in my room when I finally got it for my Bar Mitzvah). My thinking was that Sunday Night was CBS night EVEN after the demise of our beloved WML.
Phyllis got a new haircut, hasen't she? Looks like Marlo Thomas.
Johan Bengtsson
I've noticed that Marlo Thomas hairdo on her before.
Johan Bengtsson which girl? oh that girl.......
+orgonko the wildly untamed
Yes, that girl. Which girl in the late 1960's was Elizabeth Montgomery.
Can't say I blame the panel for not knowing who Chris Noel is. She was best-known for starring in two low-budget "Beach Party" movies, that not very many people have heard of (well, maybe the latter): "Get Yourself a College Girl", and "Girl Happy"; the latter was an Elvis Presley movie.
Tony did a good fake voice; wonder if he did Dr Lao's if the panel would have guessed as quickly?
Where is Chris Noel?
It was said that the flagpole doesn't hold anything. Well, it holds a flag. Or would that be to literal?
+dylan plantenga And this is exactly where we would see Dorothy K's razor sharp mind slice to the quick!
I would say yes. Rather than the pole holding the flag, the flag is tied to the pole.
When one says that an object holds something, usually the convention is that it functions as a container.
I've seen some odd dresses worn by the female panel members but Arlene's toothpaste design on this episode is bizarre. It reflects the studio lights as if it is made from a vinyl or plastic material and the horizontal stripes are surprising. On a positive note, it's good to see a more respectful, democratic treatment of the non-famous contestants who exit after shaking hands with the panel just like the mystery guests do. In earlier shows they went off to the right behind John Daly without a goodbye to the panel. People say game shows are trivial kitsch but if you compare What's My Line in the 1950s to WML in the 1960s - this episode for example - you may agree that earlier shows were a little patronising to the contestants who had to do 'the walk of shame' and suffer with good grace free guesses which were often meant to be funny but were rather clumsy. Perhaps John Daly's formal use of language was outdated by 1967, so the show was ended for that reason. Bennett Cerf's excitement when he saw the mini-skirt was certainly from an earlier time and a bit creepy. The mention of Vietnam cements this episode to its time, and better to leave that time in the past.
Funny that Tony "smoked" the chalk. he had a reputation in Hollywood and NYC as one of the most rabid anti-smoking naz...persons. I think he made Felix Unger look like second hand smoke!
I am a rabid anti-smoking person myself. I like the smell of cigars and pipes but absolutely detest cigarettes.
Johan Bengtsson I smoked for 10 years and I miss it. But I ain't going back.
Tony Randall was right to speak out against cigarettes. I smoked for seven years but quit years ago. My father died because of cigarette smoking. Good for Tony. I remember his campaign against cigarettes and Tony Curtis' campaign against cigarettes and I remember he was busted for smoking pot. Once in Glendale, CA, he was in the lane next to us in a convertible, I was in the Navy at the time. There were four of us in this VW bug and when we caught up with him we all pretended to inhale deeply like we had just taken a hit off a joint and yelled, "I Quit!" which was his slogan. He passed out pin backs with that slogan. Tony Curtis thought it was quite funny and so did the blonde who was driving, a very beautiful woman. Tony Randal was hilarious as a mystery guest.
Did Allen Ludden EVER change his hair style?
Chris Noel born July 2, 1941 (age 78 / as of July 2019)
Lovely Chris, who is now an octogenarian (born 1941). starred as eye candy in 1960's beach movies (Beach Ball) and other teen-oriented flicks (Wild, Wild Winter, Get Yourself a College Girl, Honeymoon Hotel) before focusing on her heroic radio duties.
RE: Allen Ludden. I wonder if G-T contracts had a clause that all the game show hosts had to make appearances in the other game shows.
Anyone else think Allen Ludden looks a whole lot like Mr. Peabody in this era?thedroidyourelookingfor.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/mr_peabody.jpg
So -- what colors do you see when you look at Arlene's dress?
soulierinvestments
Lol! Gotta be white & gold, right?!
I believe Arlene was being dressed by Rudi Gernreich during this time
I think gold, yellow, and white.
I think Bennett always had inside info on the MG, many would spend the night in MT Kisco
@Joe Ambrose - Bennett's wife was the first cousin (reared much as sisters) to Ginger Rogers, so often she and her then husband would stay with the Cerfs, though perhaps at their Upper East Side townhouse, rather than at Mt. Kisco farther from the airport et al. But far and away, other than visiting for a dinner party on the weekend, the mystery guests already lived in the area or were there on business, even if show biz, and their producers were paying for them to stay at the best hotels in Manhattan with no other obligations involved, like smiling over breakfast coffee with a host one knew. The Cerfs were quite social, but they valued their family life so, due to necessary weekend trips to Deerfield Academy to visit their sons during the school term, they kept their weekend socializing to Sunday suppers at usually their Manhattan home or dinners out after the WML show. In the summertime, when not away on vacation with their sons, they often had weekends in Bucks County, PA, where some of Bennett's writers and friends lived, like Moss Hart, so they got back to NYC just in time for the WML broadcast.
Philippa Pay Crikey! Have you been going through their trash cans?!?
@@davidsanderson5918 You gave me such a laugh. I read all their books decades ago when they came out and I had a friend, who just recently died, who had worked for Random House and knew the Cerfs a bit from work.
Arlene Francis is showing her age in this one..Bags under her eyes..But still beautiful looking woman..
Age 59 here.
Love the show but I am tired of hearing about Bennett Cerf's son at Harvard. Who cares?
interesting applause for the armed forces d.j.. john gave her a long complimentary lead up but the applause seemed to be somewhat forced and subdued, no cheering and it ended quickly. and her use of the word "communism" must have seemed surreal to a lot of people. by the end of 1965 pres. johnson had committed to full scale combat in vietnam, 189,000 or more combat troops were in vietnam while this aired, the soldier body count was starting to mount, 8.694 had already came home in body bags by the end of 1966, and it would escalate, 11,363 in 1967, to 16,899 in 1968. by the end of 1967 there were a half million combat troops in vietnam and america was in full scale meltdown.
While Viet Nam was literally melting down because of napalm, Agent Orange, and more bomb tonnage than was dropped in all Europe in WWII
@@stevekru6518 nixon was behind the massive bombing of vietnam and laos, and getting involved in cambodia. and you're right, vietnam, roughly the size of great britain and ireland was bombed more by the united states, than all the bombs dropped during world war II. and the variety of bombs dropped was sadistic.
@@tomitstube yes. Sadistic, a crime against humanity and counter-productive. The effects are felt even today with increased cancer and birth defects. More LBJ than RMN, but enough blame to share and not enough lessons learned. When 15 of 19 September 11 hijackers, their bosses and the planners, and the the funding were Saudi, we invade Iraq. Not a fan of Saddam, but Iraqis were better off with him and Iran was held in check.
Speaking of “check,” when Iran, the biggest sponsor of world terrorism whose motto is “Death to America,” wouldn’t take our check, Obama administration sends jumbo jets crammed floor to ceiling with high value Euros and Swiss Francs.
Fix!
Its very out of sync. I cant watch them speaking. Got to just listen.
Tony Randall smoking, wtf ?
Not the first time for him on WML.
Phyllis saying “ I’m going to kill myself”, seems in poor taste given she was the fill in for Dorothy.. I get she was tongue tied and blurted it out and that Dorothy was most likely murdered, but wasn’t the best choice of words given the situation..
Frank C She's only a guest psnellist. I don't think she sees herself as a "fill in" for Dorothy. I certainly don't. Not even close.
Oh please. Dorothy died of an ethanol and barbiturate overdose in her home. Everything else is speculative. "Most likely" not murdered but the rumor has been fueled by tabloid papers and writers out to make a buck.
Agghh, Phyllis constantly saying "when you do what you do" is so redundant and excessive. She's so shrill, like a dentist's drill. Notice how soothing Arlene's voice is and how well regulated. She thinks she's hilarious and she really isn't.
Arlene is Arlene. Phyllis is Phyllis. She is NOT some ditz either but a very bright gal, married to Adolph Green the famed lyricist and playwright an older man, not terribly good looking but she was crazy about him and they were married till he died in 2002.
poetcomic1 Well I've watched about twenty episodes with her appearing now and I concluded, after a half a dozen or so of them, that she's thick as shit. She puts a blindfold on and shouts to be heard more clearly. She has no filter, no control over that big mouth. Laughs like a goose honking in mid-flight. And behaves like a little girl. I can only see utter vacancy of thought in that face. Can't stand her!
@@davidsanderson5918 you describe her well but I can stand her. I guess I’m thankful not everyone is as smart as Arlene and Bennett because if they were, where would you and I rank?
I completely agree about Phyllis’ voice! I am relieved when she is not on the panel.
Bennett was a great flirt!