I think the Marshall vintage is by far the best V30. It's also the original V30 ..The very first V30 wad built for Marshall for the studio 15 amps and that is what the Marshall vintage is .
I agree. The high mids of Marshall Vintage is just amazing. The mic position should be Cap edge or Cone center, but not Cap center. Then it will sound fantastic.
Count me in too! Even in this comparison the Marshall sounds better to me. No grill cover either. One of the reason Chinese V30's sound better in Orange cabinets is the thick basketweave grill that helps tame the high mid rattle.
Thanks for making the video. A fair comparison would have been an 8 ohm v30 vs an 8 ohm Marshall vintage. Or a 16 ohm v30 vs a 16 ohm Marshall vintage. When comparing an 8 ohm speaker to a 16 ohm speaker you’ll always find noticeable differences. 8 ohm speakers have a more pronounced mid with the treble rolled off while 16 ohm speakers have less mid with more bass and treble. The Marshall g12 vintage was made and is available in 8 ohm. The first v30 was an 8 ohm Marshall vintage.
This is actually a pretty awesome speaker. Depends on variables as well as what an individual is specifically looking for in tone. I use them with an EVH stealth and it sounds great.
I admire your perseverance to get the tone you were looking for. I just got a Marshall 1936 Vintage cab with these speakers and they are a great match for my Friedman Pink Taco for AC/DC type sounds. I don't think they were necessarily intended for ultra high gain and are maybe a better match for darker-voiced British amps. I'd like to see you perform your experimentation process on a Celestion G12T-75 next. 👍
That's actually on my list to do, because the T75s are the scourge of the forums but I believe they have to have their use, because Marshall 1960 cabs were the standard before Mesa cabs came around hahaha. I have a T75 actually, but it's got a tear in the cone and I'm afraid to use it. A Marshall 1960 cabinet with T75s is on my list of things to get if I can find one with a decent price... US price hikes for Marshall shit are utterly insane
Before you spit on the original V30 made specifically for Marshall and built for rock music, not metal, you should familiarize yourself with what kind of amplifier it uses. This is not a speaker for metal, but for rock music. For this reason, they are only found in Marshall cabinets and are made to produce the Marshall tone. It is different from the V30 which are more metal oriented It's silly to say the worst V30? The Marshall G12 Vintage is softer and deeper in tone than the V30s made for Mesa. It doesn't sound good with metal amps like the Peavey.
It's was originally built for a 15 watt combo amp so I don't know where the idea comes from that it's a metal speaker. It was latter used for the sliver jubilee and the Jubilee was eqd with that Speaker I'm mind . The Jubilee is not exactly a high Gain Monster either.
It's got more if a low mid emphasis where the other V30s are voiced higher with more upper mid focus. The Marshall version is rather rolled back in the upper mids but boosted in the low mids . I find them similar to my Creamback 65s although certainly not identical. The Eq curve is similar. The Vintage have more crunch .
You should compare 8 ohms to 8 ohms, that not being the case explains why the Marshall is excessively bright. It's a great speaker, but not in 16 ohms.
I have a lot of different EN speakers, even V30 1993-1994--1999 and Marshall Vintage is my favourite one. Try the following mic positions: Cone Edge on Marshall Vintage and Cap Edge on V30 in 2x12. The result will be amazing.
Ah OK - so its not the Marshall "variant"... its 8 vs 16 ohms that is the issue here. Really interesting video though - thanks for doing it. You deserve more views/subscribers!
I guess this speaker was developed with the 4x12 live use with marshall voice amps in mind exclusively where the phase cancellations interaction will mellow them out but still be able to cut to a live mix, but never having studio mic in mind, at least not close mic, maybe a room mic few feet from the cab.
I think how used and taken care of effects the sound. I got a 412 with these Marshalls and mine sound much more like the 2003 v30 you have. Black album used these speakers, and most celestions can sound good if the amp is set up for them. Except the 70/80 I think those things are terrible.
It all depends on the sound you're going for, amp you're using, etc. Green Day uses the Marshall Vintage 30 cabs and they've sold 75 million records. And yes, the Marshall versions are specifically voiced differently than the standard Vintage 30 or the Mesa Vintage 30. I own a Marshall 1960BV and it sounds better for some playing styles than for others.
Just because Nolly says 2003's are the best doesn't mean 2003's are the best....You are pointed directly at the center cap and it's dark with no cut, that says it all right there.
Darker guitar tones are what I prefer. And I wouldn't even call that 2003 one "dark", just "smooth". If I want extra highs I can push my amp's highs or use a high shelf after recording and it'll never get harsh or spiky. for that reason it is my favorite speaker I have ever used about being in the speaker center: I almost never put a microphone anywhere but the speaker center, because in my findings, placing the microphone outwards from center results in a dulled, more irregular recorded sound that can actually be harder to work with than just doing a simple low pass to knock out fizz from being in the center
@@LordofDiamondsMetal Well that dulled tone you call it would make the Marshall Vintage sound like the 2003 Mesa by moving the mic an inch or so over. Moving the mic is EQ. Liking darker tones yet micing the brightest part of the speaker is extremely counter intuitive.
You’re comparing an 8 ohm 60w V30 to a 16 ohm 70w G12 Vintage. They’re two totally different speakers. Also, a 16ohm speaker will always be brighter than an 8 ohm speaker, which will be “softer” and have more midrange.
@@eldoradoguitars6456 Im aware of the differences between 8 and 16 ohm speakers of the same model. I can't speak about a conscious overall voicing shift between a standard consumer Vintage 30 and a Marshall Vintage because I have no way of knowing if Celestion actually does that
So those Marshall voiced V30's are pretty meh when mic'd... what about in the room? I always thought they were very similar to typical V30's but just slightly darker and smoother. Was considering buying a Marshall 1960 AV cab but now I'm having second thoughts haha.
I rarely care about how stuff sounds "in the room" because it's always a general level of "fine" and by the time I've switched out my speakers I've lost my mental frame of reference. And the Marshall Vintages do sound fine in the room - albeit noticeably more scooped and bright than my other Vintage 30s. Speakers don't matter as much if all you need them for is "in the room" or for live stuff. I brought my 6505 and a 2x12 with some of those Marshall Vintages in it to be the house amp at a festival I helped to do sound at last month and everyone who played through it complimented me on how it sounded. As a side note, I wouldn't cast all Marshall Vintages as sounding like they do in this video - you might get lucky. Mine are just the worst sounding (on recordings) Vintage 30s that I own
@Lord of Diamonds interesting as a lot of people have said that V30s have a more scooped sound than the Marshall G12. I had mesa v30s and definitely felt they were more scooped than the g12. Cabs make a huge difference. Some speakers are definitely better than others of the same type.
@@Mike_D_5150 I have no way of knowing whether or not there's a voicing shift between different brands' OEM Vintage 30s, and there are too many variables for me to make a conclusion with the speakers I have right now. I have a Mesa 4x12 and the speakers in it are less harsh and more mid forward than the marshall ones for sure, and the most immediately attributable variable for that is probably impedance difference
I love my Vintage 30's, sorry I totally disagree, they are great speakers if built in England and not China. Try running a Plexi head not a Hi-gain head on those 30's lol, you are over think it. What you are talking about has already been done a million times in the 80's and early 90's with Marshall's, you are trying to reinvent the wheel. The baby booms have already mastered what you are trying to seek my man 30 years ago!
I think the Marshall V30s blow both the standard and meas V30s out of the water. I have cabs with both the standard V30s and the Marshall V30s and I love both but I only love the the standard V30s paired with other speakers and don't like them on their own but I love the Marshall vintage all by themselves I have a 2 by 12 Jubilee cab with the Marshall Versions and it's the perfect cab for classic rock and old school British metal. I get killer led zep 2 tones with those speakers. I'm talking lemon song city and they do 2012 era Rush perfectly. They are not a modern metal speaker. They are meant to be a G12H30 crossed with an Alnico Blue .
I think the Marshall vintage is by far the best V30. It's also the original V30 ..The very first V30 wad built for Marshall for the studio 15 amps and that is what the Marshall vintage is .
I agree. The high mids of Marshall Vintage is just amazing. The mic position should be Cap edge or Cone center, but not Cap center. Then it will sound fantastic.
Count me in too! Even in this comparison the Marshall sounds better to me. No grill cover either. One of the reason Chinese V30's sound better in Orange cabinets is the thick basketweave grill that helps tame the high mid rattle.
Thats right!
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I actually prefer the Marshall G12-Vintage. The extra 10 watts handling makes them blend better with the T75's.
Those soeakers were first and original "Vintage 30".
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Thanks for making the video. A fair comparison would have been an 8 ohm v30 vs an 8 ohm Marshall vintage. Or a 16 ohm v30 vs a 16 ohm Marshall vintage.
When comparing an 8 ohm speaker to a 16 ohm speaker you’ll always find noticeable differences.
8 ohm speakers have a more pronounced mid with the treble rolled off while 16 ohm speakers have less mid with more bass and treble.
The Marshall g12 vintage was made and is available in 8 ohm. The first v30 was an 8 ohm Marshall vintage.
This is actually a pretty awesome speaker.
Depends on variables as well as what an individual is specifically looking for in tone.
I use them with an EVH stealth and it sounds great.
I'm sure there are some people that would love mine as they are
Same.
I admire your perseverance to get the tone you were looking for. I just got a Marshall 1936 Vintage cab with these speakers and they are a great match for my Friedman Pink Taco for AC/DC type sounds. I don't think they were necessarily intended for ultra high gain and are maybe a better match for darker-voiced British amps. I'd like to see you perform your experimentation process on a Celestion G12T-75 next. 👍
That's actually on my list to do, because the T75s are the scourge of the forums but I believe they have to have their use, because Marshall 1960 cabs were the standard before Mesa cabs came around hahaha. I have a T75 actually, but it's got a tear in the cone and I'm afraid to use it. A Marshall 1960 cabinet with T75s is on my list of things to get if I can find one with a decent price... US price hikes for Marshall shit are utterly insane
I think it's the amp combination, if you test these speakers with a Marshall jvm410 for example the Marshall Vintage will give better results
Before you spit on the original V30 made specifically for Marshall and built for rock music, not metal, you should familiarize yourself with what kind of amplifier it uses. This is not a speaker for metal, but for rock music. For this reason, they are only found in Marshall cabinets and are made to produce the Marshall tone.
It is different from the V30 which are more metal oriented
It's silly to say the worst V30?
The Marshall G12 Vintage is softer and deeper in tone than the V30s made for Mesa.
It doesn't sound good with metal amps like the Peavey.
It's was originally built for a 15 watt combo amp so I don't know where the idea comes from that it's a metal speaker. It was latter used for the sliver jubilee and the Jubilee was eqd with that Speaker I'm mind . The Jubilee is not exactly a high Gain Monster either.
It's got more if a low mid emphasis where the other V30s are voiced higher with more upper mid focus. The Marshall version is rather rolled back in the upper mids but boosted in the low mids . I find them similar to my Creamback 65s although certainly not identical. The Eq curve is similar. The Vintage have more crunch .
You should compare 8 ohms to 8 ohms, that not being the case explains why the Marshall is excessively bright. It's a great speaker, but not in 16 ohms.
I have a lot of different EN speakers, even V30 1993-1994--1999 and Marshall Vintage is my favourite one.
Try the following mic positions: Cone Edge on Marshall Vintage and Cap Edge on V30 in 2x12. The result will be amazing.
Ah OK - so its not the Marshall "variant"... its 8 vs 16 ohms that is the issue here. Really interesting video though - thanks for doing it. You deserve more views/subscribers!
I guess this speaker was developed with the 4x12 live use with marshall voice amps in mind exclusively where the phase cancellations interaction will mellow them out but still be able to cut to a live mix, but never having studio mic in mind, at least not close mic, maybe a room mic few feet from the cab.
This speaker was first created for the studio 15 combos in the mid 80s .
I think how used and taken care of effects the sound. I got a 412 with these Marshalls and mine sound much more like the 2003 v30 you have.
Black album used these speakers, and most celestions can sound good if the amp is set up for them. Except the 70/80 I think those things are terrible.
It all depends on the sound you're going for, amp you're using, etc. Green Day uses the Marshall Vintage 30 cabs and they've sold 75 million records. And yes, the Marshall versions are specifically voiced differently than the standard Vintage 30 or the Mesa Vintage 30. I own a Marshall 1960BV and it sounds better for some playing styles than for others.
yeah, it's usable, just like most music gear. I have no way of knowing for sure whether it's a different voicing. so many variables
The dude only runs one amp head and it's a Peavy Hi-gain head, he has so much to learn still about heads and speakers
Have you tried a older Marshall vintage 30, from the 90's?
No. I haven't been looking either
@@LordofDiamondsMetal I have a 1995? Marshall vintage plate 4x12. It's sounds great.
Nice comparison. Were those baby Mayflies going on all about?
16ohm versions best in a 4x4 really which is their intended use. 8ohm is for smaller cabs. Nice vid tho
they are good speakers, better than my 73 green backs which are harsh
Just because Nolly says 2003's are the best doesn't mean 2003's are the best....You are pointed directly at the center cap and it's dark with no cut, that says it all right there.
Darker guitar tones are what I prefer. And I wouldn't even call that 2003 one "dark", just "smooth". If I want extra highs I can push my amp's highs or use a high shelf after recording and it'll never get harsh or spiky. for that reason it is my favorite speaker I have ever used
about being in the speaker center: I almost never put a microphone anywhere but the speaker center, because in my findings, placing the microphone outwards from center results in a dulled, more irregular recorded sound that can actually be harder to work with than just doing a simple low pass to knock out fizz from being in the center
@@LordofDiamondsMetal Well that dulled tone you call it would make the Marshall Vintage sound like the 2003 Mesa by moving the mic an inch or so over. Moving the mic is EQ. Liking darker tones yet micing the brightest part of the speaker is extremely counter intuitive.
the Marshall Vintage would still sound nothing like the 2003 speaker. it has a completely different low and midrange character
You’re comparing an 8 ohm 60w V30 to a 16 ohm 70w G12 Vintage. They’re two totally different speakers. Also, a 16ohm speaker will always be brighter than an 8 ohm speaker, which will be “softer” and have more midrange.
@@eldoradoguitars6456 Im aware of the differences between 8 and 16 ohm speakers of the same model. I can't speak about a conscious overall voicing shift between a standard consumer Vintage 30 and a Marshall Vintage because I have no way of knowing if Celestion actually does that
So those Marshall voiced V30's are pretty meh when mic'd... what about in the room? I always thought they were very similar to typical V30's but just slightly darker and smoother. Was considering buying a Marshall 1960 AV cab but now I'm having second thoughts haha.
I rarely care about how stuff sounds "in the room" because it's always a general level of "fine" and by the time I've switched out my speakers I've lost my mental frame of reference. And the Marshall Vintages do sound fine in the room - albeit noticeably more scooped and bright than my other Vintage 30s. Speakers don't matter as much if all you need them for is "in the room" or for live stuff. I brought my 6505 and a 2x12 with some of those Marshall Vintages in it to be the house amp at a festival I helped to do sound at last month and everyone who played through it complimented me on how it sounded. As a side note, I wouldn't cast all Marshall Vintages as sounding like they do in this video - you might get lucky. Mine are just the worst sounding (on recordings) Vintage 30s that I own
@@LordofDiamondsMetal thanks for your take 👍
@@KaddysJamKave Not a problem, I hope you find something that works well for what you want it for
@Lord of Diamonds interesting as a lot of people have said that V30s have a more scooped sound than the Marshall G12.
I had mesa v30s and definitely felt they were more scooped than the g12. Cabs make a huge difference.
Some speakers are definitely better than others of the same type.
@@Mike_D_5150 I have no way of knowing whether or not there's a voicing shift between different brands' OEM Vintage 30s, and there are too many variables for me to make a conclusion with the speakers I have right now. I have a Mesa 4x12 and the speakers in it are less harsh and more mid forward than the marshall ones for sure, and the most immediately attributable variable for that is probably impedance difference
You’re playing with so much distortion everything you play sounds muddy
I play metal music. That's the kind of tone you often hear
Who said this speaker is the worst Celestion speaker?????
did you even watch the video
Any fear of those moths eating up the vintage speakers?
EDIT: August is falling is the best band.
hasn't happened yet
Use a different amp.
I love my Vintage 30's, sorry I totally disagree, they are great speakers if built in England and not China. Try running a Plexi head not a Hi-gain head on those 30's lol, you are over think it. What you are talking about has already been done a million times in the 80's and early 90's with Marshall's, you are trying to reinvent the wheel. The baby booms have already mastered what you are trying to seek my man 30 years ago!
I think the Marshall V30s blow both the standard and meas V30s out of the water. I have cabs with both the standard V30s and the Marshall V30s and I love both but I only love the the standard V30s paired with other speakers and don't like them on their own but I love the Marshall vintage all by themselves I have a 2 by 12 Jubilee cab with the Marshall Versions and it's the perfect cab for classic rock and old school British metal.
I get killer led zep 2 tones with those speakers. I'm talking lemon song city and they do 2012 era Rush perfectly. They are not a modern metal speaker. They are meant to be a G12H30 crossed with an Alnico Blue .