Ep. 465 Larry Mazer, Former KISS Manager, Sets the Record Straight on Eric Carr’s Passing
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Episode 465, February 8, 2022 Larry Mazer, former KISS manager during Hot In The Shade and Revenge, returns for a focused discussion on REVENGE. Larry also clears up all the rumors about what happened between Eric Carr and KISS before his passing. We talk about the REVENGE songs, the REVENGE tour, the support acts on the tour, the REVENGE album singles, Larry shares a couple memorable phone calls from Gene Simmons, Larry’s opportunity to manage the KISS reunion and so much more! We also talk Cinderella and Buckcherry.
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Let me bear witness. I was at the San Francisco Revenge club show. While I've always been a fan, it was that night I realized how great a band they actually are. I was on the floor right in front of the stage and to this day it was the greatest sound I'd ever experienced. Gene was phenomenal, his bass never sounded so great, warm, clear and loud. Singer was insane on the double bass, the guitars rocked, etc. The physical sound was like floating on a cloud of warm hot heaven, Paul's vocals were stellar, etc etc etc.
Saw them on the Atlanta stop of the Club Tour for Revenge at Center Stage. Granted Center Stage is not really a club but a very small venue. I've seen them over 50 times and I've never heard them sound that good that night. Saw the full fledge Revenge arena show later in the year and again, they sounded incredible. Musically they were smoking at that point.
@@thedude6478 actually, no. It's bear. Like bearing your soul, bear a burden. Bare is like naked... Look it up.
@@OFR You 'bear' a burden, but you 'bare' your soul.
Yeah. BACK then….they were amazing. 30 years ago, so was Wayne Gretzky.
I was there too!
So he says that Eric Carr being replaced was a tough choice that hurt them which is fine. However the debate is usually about whether they cut him off from insurance. Both sides say conflicting stories and Larry doesn't elaborate on that.
That's true.. Eric's family have been very vocal about their dislike of Gene and Paul over the way they treated Eric in the end..
Paul wanted to but, Gene was like we can't do that to him..... Both r greedy as fk but, Paul is next level trash
I"ve noticed this in the past with Lisa - she seems to be an EXCELLENT listener. She is very restrained while the other 3, at times, talk over each other and the guest(s).
Yeah I don’t like when they talk over each other. But even saying that, I’m splitting hairs, love this show!
@@fmbighair agreed. Its a great show BUT the 3 guys (esp Michael) talk over each other and their guests constantly. It's quite annoying.
Great show folks! A very enlightening show! The HITS and Revenge tours are still two of my favorite KISS shows I've ever been to! And I'll see them for the 16th time in May in Raleigh, NC. God willing!
Agree.
Great show and amazing interview. Could've listened to him for hours. Hopefully you'll have him back again. I'm interested in the songs he heard for the follow up to Revenge. Are there demos of songs prior to the direction they went with COS? I would be really interested in hearing those.
I saw KISS at the UIC Pavilion for the Revenge tour...I can confirm that the place was half full at the most. I agree with Larry, I always tell people KISS is one of the best live bands ever and could kick anyone's ass without the elaborate stage show.
I was there too. I don’t know where you were looking, but it was as much more than half full.
I enjoy listening to Larry Mazer, Thanks guys
"Rise To It" and "Forever" are gems. "Hide Your Heart" blows.
I’ll fight hell and Thief in the night are the top tracks imo
What can I say other than this episode is a return to form. One of the top 10 episodes in the history of Three Sides!!
Definitely a rocker, not a shocker! Fantastic job everybody.🤟
R.I.P. Eric Carr & Mark St.John we Miss y'all & we Always Will!!!
What an absolute amazing interview. I love KISS but also love 80’s glam and rock and was awesome hearing talk about this. You need to get him back on ASAP.
This is an important interview - thanks again for an informative, entertaining watch! This is what keeps KISS alive for me.
Oh Larry c’mon. The Spectrum in Philly was a half house or worse. Paul was so embarrassed he tried to make light of it on stage by saying words to the effect: we’ve played to larger crowds. Maybe we can have you all come backstage for pizza? It was a great show but it sounded like they were playing in an empty airplane hangar.
what tour was that your talking about?
Revenge late 92.
@@MarceloRomero360 yea this guy doesn’t remember very well. I remember hearing they cut the tour short, from lack of sales.
Absolutely amazing episode. Larry so full of fascinating facts and stories.
Great interview 3 Sides of The Coin. That revealed some very interesting & important unknown info. I would luv to hear from Larry again. That was special & made my day. Top stuff
Ted Nuggent opened for Kiss on the CRAZY NIGHTS tour when I saw them . It was KICK ASS!!!
I think Ted opened for them all 6 times i was then. lol
I was at the KISS convention in 1995. Atlanta Georgia.
I went to the one in Boston.
I can’t believe that convention tour was 27 fucking years ago already.
Great guest. More of this please.
At the Revenge show at the Charlotte coliseum (The hive)Charlotte nc October 23 1992 ,The statue of liberty's face didn't drop right away at the end of war machine.And the attendance was bad 3000 maybe. In a coliseum that would hold 21,000.The floor was full and the two section on each side and the back of the coliseum was empty and the upper lever was empty also.
Great episode, only wished Larry would elaborate more about the Eric Carr stories other than the band had to move on , other popular story is that band canceled his health insurance, wished he addressed that .
I really enjoyed this interview. Some holes were filled in KISStory which I always appreciate. Thanks lady and fellas!
They never intended to bring back Eric Carr back even if he made a full recovery. It's well known that Eric and Paul weren't on speaking terms anymore. Even before he was diagnosed with cancer.. Paul runs Kiss. Even Gene doesn't cross him and Bruce has no say. Singer worked with Paul on his solo tour and would have replaced Eric Carr no matter what. Eric wanted more input and Paul basically wanted a hired gun.. It's why Bruce and Eric hardly ever did any talking in the interviews. Eric wanted to be a contributing member. he wanted to be a bigger part of Kiss.. The fact that Paul trashed him in his book shows that Paul was never his friend. I know this guy is their former manager, but it's obvious he's still close with the band and ain't gonna burn bridges. There's a reason why Eric's family still doesn't associate with Kiss.
I don't believe this guy on Eric Carr and how he was treated.
Big baseless conspiracy theory there.
If they wanted to get rid of Eric they could have done it any time. Playing on a solo album means nothing. That's the point of doing a solo album, it's not a kiss album .
Everyone trashes everyone else in their books so that's nothing. The trashing of Eric Carr by Stanley is telling him to stop the non communication. Not also not speaking to Eric but telling him to speak.
Also they say all the time they wanted more input from other members, come up with some songs
Thinking back to 1992 and the opening acts, you have to remember that Skid Row had a number one record back then. It was pretty obvious for Pantera and their management to go for the bigger tour. Very cool episode, Thanks guys!
Awesome episode. I love hearing Larry Mazer's stories on what was a critical time for KISS. I think I listened to the episode when he was first on 3 Sides at least twice, Ill revisit this one too down the track Im sure!
Great Episode
Great episode! Cinderella is such a great band ! Love hearing those stories as well
This one ranks up there with one of your best interviews! Great job!!!
Great interview. I answered the phone many times when Larry called when I worked for Brian McEvoy at Island Def Jam.
1:22:43 - Wow, So Larry was the connection for The Treatment to tour with KISS/Motley in 2012? That tour was the first time I heard that band, and thought they were great.
Saw the HOT IN THE SHADE tour in Topeka, KS. W/ Slaughter and WInger. I remember it was a great set list, lot of older songs they dug out of the KISS catalog.
I didn’t mind Hot In the Shade. It had more than 3 good songs on it..Betrayed by Gene was great. Plus some other songs by Paul.
I think it's a terrific album, maybe one too many songs but overall the good ones outweigh the bad.
My favorite tracks from HITS are Silver Spoon, King of Dreams, Little Casear, Rise to It, Forever, Betrayed.
He doesn't remember the Revenge Tour was cut short in January 1993?
HITS is a bad KISS album with one great song. The tour was phenomenal. I saw them 4 times around the tristate area.
HITS show was magnetic. Opening with I Stole Your Love. What a blast
Great show.very informative
Wonderful chat well done guys Larry seems like a really hard working guy Revenge was an amazing record not a weak track on it
Larry is a true legend! Wonderful interview guys & gal!
I liked hearing this episode. Larry has had quite a career. I never knew he managed The Treatment in 2012. It was also interesting to hear him comment on the Night Songs album but I was surprised he didn’t mention that Fred Coury did not play on the album at all.
This tour is also when they recorded for Alive lll, I was in Indianapolis.
great episode
The reason why kids stopped listening to 80's is because teens and early 20's are impressionable. By MTV and the Vedder and Cobain saying those bands were lame they were going to jump ship because they wanted to fit in. I lived through all that. I remember playing wanted dead or alive in a guitar shop in 1994 and the guy behind the counter laughed at me. Now play that riff and your a hero. Go figure.
Cobain and Vedder actually called 70’s and 80’s Rock lame? That’s nigh unforgivable. Of course, Kurt was always a little “interesting” for lack of a better word. Not sure about Eddie.
I saw Kiss in Atlanta Nov 92. I don't know if it was a good idea for them to play earlier that year in Atlanta in a small venue because when they came back in Nov, I was kinda shocked they played the Omni Arena that was half empty. Great show. I know some markets the arenas were packed. Great White & Trixter were support acts. Great White sounded great.
I was at the Atlanta show also.
Btw. One of the biggest mistakes in 1992 was that KISS didn't tour Europe mainland. Despite the fact that GGRNR and Unholy singles were top 10 and 20 hits in many countries at that time.
True. So happy I flew to the UK for my very first KISS concert back then. The only show without make-up that I've seen but by far the very best I've seen them live out of probably some 25 shows.
Cinderella was like a culmination of that era plus had meant-to-be songs
Great interview. The 25 minute mark is the highlight. I wonder why he said "unfortunately" Paul O'Neill managed Badlands - the same Paul O'Neill who created Trans Siberian Orchestra, not much has ever been said about him as a manager and promoter pre TSO.
Paul died of cancer a few years ago. ..mid 80"s he was the Scorpions manager...and the group Heaven. .Paul O'Neil was a very nice person.....did not know that he managed badlands
There's some pretty dark stuff about that.
If you lived during that time, 1991, economy all the sudden turn for the worst. 1989, 1990, we’re booming then all of a sudden 91 came along and I got my pay cut in half. I say all of this because I think this was a big factor in the 80’s teens now coming into real life in their 20s and dropping a little bit of the concert going/party life and now to get serious. I still went to the revenge tour but I have to admit I had second thoughts because of financial reasons
This guest was extremely interesting to any Kiss fan as well as Cinderella.
1:02:43. I checked out the KISS at The Troubadour 1992 video(s) like Larry suggested. Really good stuff! And yes, Gene looks and acts his coolest. Paul is really confident about the Revenge album, and I don’t think he’s hyping it per se. Also what’s cool about the videos is that it’s the raw footage.
Best episode 👌 ever .wish it was linger.
Can you point me to an episode about Carnival of Souls? I’m going to start pushing that album. If we KISS fans let Dynasty and Unmasked slide, Carnival of Souls should be up there with any other album. I’ll back it up.
Haven’t seen this podcast in five years back when I watched every episode. Nice to see a good episode and that your still doing it. I left because you didn’t like Vinnie and Ace and thought KISS were still good old.
We NEVER said we didn’t like Ace, actually it is the opposite. We have only always said we like Ace. KISS are still good.
Per my other comment on the other Larry interview (I watch things backwards LOL) I'm glad Larry mentioned Badlands, but I thought it Eric was with Ray, it turns out Eric was with Greg and Jake VS. Ray with Paul O Neill, which by most accounts O Neill was very helpful with the demise of Badlands
Anthrax woulda been cool opening up during Revenge
Cinderella open for them during Revenge woulda been cool
Not many fans at the Revenge show in Atlanta.
The show in Philly was not packed. I was there. Top level empty. I thuink every town they did a club show they didn't do well the arena shows.
Rip our dearly beloved Eric Carr 🙏😔🥁
I love The Elder personally
First sentence in the first meeting with Cinderella should have gone something like this: "Change your fucking name!"
Why?
@@LinkRocks Terrible name. Thats why. Never understood it or liked it. As if what they were wearing wasnt confusing enough in contrast to their sound, the name is terrible. Sure, it reflected the hair metal times, but no one was going to take them seriously with that name if they were to pivot from sequins and lilacs as time wore on.
Lol
@@in2anthr You mean like Queen?
Circle jerks Group Sex album was about 15 minutes long and the cassette played it twice on the first side and left the second side blank with a PSA telling people to record whatever they wanted, lol! One of THE BEST albums of all time! NO FILLER.
Keith Morris has said that Chuck Berry told him he loved the album
I really don’t believe he never saw the bad relationship between Carr and Stanley, he said “he was there” so how can he not know…please!!!
Were you there?
@@MichaelBrandvoldThere will always be versions of the truth, but I do enjoy hearing from those who "were there," on Three Sides. Thank you for it! As for opinions, many commenters demonstrate that they only see what they want to see.
Lars n James - Metallica /
Jerry n Layne - AiC
Brandon n Garret - Metaphoria
David n Roger - Pink Floyd
Etc etc etc
Lisa ?
Revenge sold 7 - 800,000 copies in 92. I wonder if it ever went platinum ?
What if they picked up Mazer and picked back up during the Revenge era?
There isn't a damn thing wrong with the cover band photo for 'Night Songs' as that is exactly how Cinderella looked at the time, as a noted composer once penned 'If you don't like it we don't care." No need to try and be a revisionist about it at all and larry was revising there. Also Larry a sincere thanks for letting MKS and Stix go from that band 'cause fans got another great band in return.
qThe Sacramento show on the Revenge Tour had only 2 or 3k people in a 15k arena. There were def shows on Revenge Tour that did not make any money. PS We got Trixter and Great White. Loved Great White but Trixter not so much 😂
Hey we’re down Larry!! \m/ 1:30:55
LONG LIVE THE FOX!!!
No problems with Anthrax opening up for KISS!
Not going with domino and goin gene heavy on revenge promos, was a bad mistake. Paul was associated with hair metal that had been rebuked. Bad move keepin paul happy there.
New Jersey wasn't packed either for Revenge
I wish this interview was 10 hours long. Great guest.
For me personally, I'm not a fan of the Revenge era I don't think the album aged well and honestly I thought the band looked a little ridiculous going threw their metal phase. They looked cool but it just wasn't Kiss to me. The stage was too dark and the album was overrated to me. I feel that if I never heard the Revenge album for the rest of my life I'd be ok with that.
Wow color me shocked. I love Revenge and feel Revenge was KISS back to being KISS. Reminds me a lot of the first KISS album
I feel completely opposite. To me, Revenge era is the first time Gene looked comfortable without makeup and his song writing was back in form.
The irony, it's when I started to like them again when they released Revenge.
@asteinmann the album Revenge
Metallica already did the Statue of Liberty on …AJFA tho
more from the studio unreleased
I think Larry is way wrong in his assessment. There's a lot more than 3 good songs on HITS.
You Love Me To Hate You, Silver Spoon could've been really good singles.
Two of those Gene songs were some of his best of the 80's: Betrayed and Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell.
The HITS tour was easily the best KISS tour of the non-makeup era in my humble opinion. I saw the tour in 3 different cities and every night was magical..
Larry was right to push UNHOLY as the 1st single for "Revenge"
"Domino" was the wrong choice for a 2nd single. "I Just Wanna" is a more interesting song. I think "Spit" could have been the 3rd single.
When he talks about "Revenge" not going platinum, I wonder if after all this time, if someone was to do a proper accounting of sales where it would be now.
Thumbs 👍 up from me!! AEROSMITH ALERT ⚠️ in the 37th minute!! 'In the 37th minute, people!!' AEROSMITH ARMY REJOICE!! 'Would you look at the time ⏲️?' No Gene, no Paul, no Eric, no Tommy = No problem!! AEROSMITH ARMY, this is your moment!! Forget the KISS Army, you won 🏆!! Blue Kool-Aid Drinker. Peace ✌️ out from the Southern Tip of Vancouver Island 🏝 , B.C. Canada 🇨🇦.
Whats with the Lil Caesar infatuation ? lol song, band etc
Does Mark think that Holly Knight and Diane Warren are the same person?
Great interview but what's wrong with faster Pussycat? They were better than lot of other bands
Seattle was just so real
Alpine valley is bigger,been there many many times,
I would have followed up with the documents that Eric was allegedly asked to sign?
Of course, the band was going to continue and in the end it's a business. I have no arguments that a change was not necessary.
at the 34 minute mark he blames the failure of Cinderella "Heartbreak Station" on Nirvana. He is totally wrong.
Cinderella came out in the 4th quarter of 1990, NIrvana was not out yet. "Nevermind" comes out a year later after the entire touring cycle for "Heartbreak..."ended.
The reason the album failed -- a hard shift into a more bluesy direction turned some people off and Mtv and Radio did not get behind any of the singles. The title track, a power ballad, failed to crack the top 40 and when that single failed, it was over.
For the record I love Heartbreak Station - it's a solid album with some fantastic songs and I think "Sick for the Cure" and "Make Your Own Way" could have been big hit singles.
By comparison, Poison released their 3rd album around the same time as Cinderella, radio did get behind the singles, the tour was very successful and they sold 3 million of that 3rd album. Grunge was not a factor when these albums came out - Soundgarden and Alice In Chains were both new underground bands on the rise. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins weren't really stealing anyone's spotlight yet.
I agree with a lot of your observations, but for me it was over saturation of that hard rock style by a slew of lesser talent who got signed for a decent song or two and having a look, by the time any of those pretty much big haired boy bands got a record out it was formulaic, cause the record companies like keep it simple and keep it cheap. for Every great band like Cinderella there were a ton of bands with names like Ransom, Roxx Gang, Rox Diamond and pole Position and many, many others that only Danny Waysted remembers. Bands who were processed with a syrupy ballad on ever record and pushed as a single. Same thing happened after the birth of Rock-n-Roll After Elvis and Chuck Berry the music got watered down with your Fabians and Frankie Avalons, Neil Sedakas. Record companies took something good and organic and added fat to it and processed making it impalatable to those who enjoyed the original. The Music Business has also been a business about making the most amount of money while investing the least money into the product. But you are right Grunge didn' kill hair metal or as I call it Rock-n-Roll, apathey and greed did.
@@jollyjakelovell6822 oh yes, I agree with your assessment totally .
The record companies signed far too many bands.
Oversaturation played a part.
Bands that really didn't deserve a record deal and promotion poured into them, off the top of my head, Britny Fox, Danger Danger, White Lion, Keel, Malice, Trixter, Firehouse, Steelheart, Heavens Edge, Roxy Blue, Babylon AD, Pretty Boy Floyd, Roxx Gang, D'Molls, Dirty Looks, Sea Hags.
When grunge hit, for whatever reason the record companies didn't sign and release 8,000 grunge bands. The whole scene sorta disappeared quickly.
@@angryagain3801 I'm going to disagree to two of those bands, Britny Fox and Heaven's Edge, I'm a mark for Britny Fox. The other bands you named I never cared for and those are the ones who had some name recognition for everyone of them there were ten bands like Tigertailz and Mama's Boys (Yes those are bands who released records in the late 80s) They just had the look and played a power ballad or two and generic rockers that couldn't even make a late 80s B action movie soundtrack. Much better bands than any of those didn't get signed like John Corabi's band Angora and KIX for goodness sake never got the push they deserved.
When grunge came along I just thought of them as reaching back and grabbing hold of some Black Sabbath and incorporating it into their sound, In the bell curve of humanity most fall in the middle and chase trends. One of the stakes through grunge and most late nineties music's heart was two or three telecom companies buying up all the radio stations and mandating playlists that benefitted record labels that how shall I say, showed the most gratitude.
I am just glad I grew up in the 70s and 80s. I feel bad for all these soundcloud artists who will never have world tours let alone here across North America. I mean who even tours these days? 80s and 70s bands plus the undying Rolling Stones, do even hip hop groups do tours? besides the ones where folks die at.
I had to revisit to add this.
Larry Mazer is as responsible for Britny Fox becoming a band as anyone in the band themselves. He let the drummer and co-lead guitarist go from Cinderella in order to get Cinderella a record deal. The crazy thing is, is that guitarist, Michael Kelly Smith is or I should say was a big part of why Night Songs sounded like it did (Usually everyone's favorite). Barry Benedetta, the fellow who played on the album had to have Smith show him Smith's licks. Keifer would go on to shortly thereafter help get Britny Fox signed. I am not certain but I think that Mazer had seen Jeff LaBar (RIP) in one of his bands before seeing Cinderella and through that prior relationship is how Jeff go into the band once Mazer axed Smith and Tony Destra.
And to bring the circle all the way around Gene Simmons had seen Cinderella back in 1983 and showed interest in the band and that was when half of that band would later become Britny Fox/
@@jollyjakelovell6822 I remember Mama's Boys. They were good, well their two U. S. Releases were good, when they became a four piece and got dropped by the American label and tried to be Night Ranger or whatever, no, that was not good.
Britny Fox I thought was such a boring generic knock off of Cinderella.
Do you remember that little period in the mid 90's when the record labels spit out all these soundalike pop alternative acts, many got their five minutes of fame but they were all basically indistinguishable from one another (Tonic, Dishwalla, Matchbox 20, Vertical Horizon, Goo Goo Dolls) That was sorta like the end of the 80's metal scene, bland interchangeable bands polluting the rock scene.
Like you, I'm glad I grew up when I did. Rock scene isn't anything near as cool as it once was.
You asked who tours?
Good question.
Slipknot
Korn
Volbeat
Ghost
These bands seem to be able to play respectable sized venues. Most newer bands can not.
I’m sorry Mazer. I was a Cinderella fan and remember Long Cold Winter coming out. Heartbreak Station might’ve played in the East but it was the end. Nirvana didn’t kill Cinderella. Guns N’ Roses did. Then White Zombie stomped the body. Skid Row was hot. Metallica. We didn’t care about Aerosmith clones and moved on for a while. Cinderella was too specific. I loved them but they had narrow appeal. There was an anti hair band vibe in general and many bands were able to avoid it, hair or not.
Part of KISS is their history and the personalities. Paul and Gene did what they have had to do to keep the band viable...since day one. If they stopped paying Eric's health insurance..they are assholes. However, someone needs to show that happened. Secondly, if Paul wanted to fire Carr and hire Singer back then..it's his band..Carr was still an employee..even after 11 years. It's the music BUSINESS.
It wasn't just Nirvana that killed the decadent Hard Rock of the 80s. The early 90s were serious times in terms of world affairs. The 1st Gulf War in Kuwait & Iraq. The civil war in former Yugoslavia. The News covered it 24/7. Thus Not a good mood for 80s Hair Metal and Cock Rock, right?
Regarding Cinderella which he mentions at 1:11, the third album bombed for a reason. Bad album. "Shelter Me" is not a good rock song, it sounds like they were doing a silly impression of an R&B/gospel/blues song. We bought Night Songs because the songs rocked hard and they dressed like cool rockers. A lot of bands devolved into humdrum bluesy bands at that time.
He doesn’t like the 100k years drum solo? Huh?
The cover was cool. It was name Cinderella maybe? They WERE a hair band. Cinderella didn’t have blues jams on Night songs. Can’t rewrite history. Fans grow out of scenes.
How did Kiss turn into the Trenchcoat Mafia?
The only song from HITS i still listen to is Little Ceasar. It's a tragedy how unloved that song is.
I like Buckcherry, but I believe they're too vulgar to have mainstream appeal. Josh Todd, God love him looks kind of like a drug addict with all those tattoos. I like Lit up but I love the cocaine is not mainstream. Should have stuck to I'm sorry type songs. They're not heavy enough to be metal and their look is too hard-core for the rock fans. Plus with today's political climate just not politically correct.
As to Buckcherry, I was gobsmacked by this band when I first heard them, which was in my sisters small apartment in South Royalton Vermont after a horrific drive back from Maine that night. Lit Up came on as I was falling asleep and I was blown away! I was a fan. However, I then had kids and I was disgusted by the elementary lyrics of Josh and while I've tried thru friends to listen to new releases, I'm embarrassed by the lyrics. Not only that, Josh, similar to Dangerous Toys singer, Jason McMaster, there's a very limited vocal range and I'm bored by the second or third album.
Im glad domino wasn't the 2nd single i hate that song. Out of the 2 union albums i prefer blue room
Losers without Ace and Peter
And you would know losers better than anyone.
Very interesting interview!
I actually prefer HITS to Revenge, both music and looks. Revenge gas good songs, but sounds too 90-s, and I like almost all the songs on HITS.
About Cinderella - the cover of their first album is the reason I own it on vynil. When I first saw it I thought "these guys look like I'm gonna enjoy their music". And I did. Other albums - not so much. "Hair Metal" rules!
And yeah, Curt Cobain died 4 years too late. Here, I said it. I despise him and all the grunge movement, its philosophy, its "anti-rock-star" attitude. Larry is right, they singlehandedly killed the Rock Culture turned it into some semi-underground thing. I can't imagine how insecure you must be prfer this depressive whining over the fun "Party Rock"
I don't get Larry's St Peppers analogy because the songs on Carnival Of Souls were all average at best! There's no doubt a better producer like Ezrin could have saved it!
Not .. the last rockstar
When i first heard "smells like teen spirit" i thought the chorus was cool and sounded like the hair metal melodic that i love ,energy..I didnt know the difference until other songs came out.I hated Peral jam and alice in chains from the moment i heard them. Eddie vedder is the worst singer ive heard ..he sounds like hes trying to sing while he is constipated .. I still liked bands like Firehouse. Warrant and all the moan stays as well . The real reason hair metal died for alternative is a few reasons i think..
* a new decade and outlook on things ,people spent 10 years with hair metal and just wanted something new .Also .some of the teens in the 80s are now growing older, some starting families and buying less music and more real life things like rent..
* collage kids liked alternative because those kids are like programed zombies.its a click and if they are told somethng is cool they believed it and followed it .
this is thier impression that it makes them smarter and they already kinda felt that way in collage .. it was to fit in . Thats why whatever mtv or dial mtv said was cool ,the kids liked and those kids grew up to go to collage . There is no other reason REM would have a fan if it wasnt for that mushy mind .
* the record companies left the hair bands behind so they didnt have enough push for new music ,videos tours so they had to play clubs.it was the industry cutting off the money too
* some of the metal fans were just fans because it was the pop culture so when that changed their tastes did too
* this how rap became popular,they make you feel shamed if you didnt liek it.like you were racist ..white kids liked rap to prove they were not racist in many cases..not all .some kids liked it for the same reason, different that what they heard for the last 10 years but a lot did to make that statement. .
* people listen with their eyes ...same as Paul mentioned on creatures vs lick it up ..