I got into a very high level empathy. It’s scary when you can feel other ppl, read ppl and know they aren’t for your best interest. There’s a reason why I hang with my dog
Yes! I used to think something was wrong with me. Then I learned to manage it. Still learning actually. There's a huge learning curve to overcome when operating from high level empathy. And it's typically associated with great pain caused by low level narcs. 😥 at least that was my case.
@@shriyash_patil don’t be jealous; I’m the same way and I hate it about myself; I see people demons and I know their bad intentions; this high level of empathy comes from a traumatic childhood and intense child abuse; I always know when people are lying; like when Jussie smollette (if that’s his name) was telling that story of getting beat up from a hate crime I knew the story was a lie then and there........people found out later but I knew then!!! It’s frustrating when I watch documentaries with people who claim innocence because I can see their guilt; with family members too! Trust me u don’t want that level of empathy because most times you have to keep it yourself and play along as if u don’t know!!
Pressure to be successful and ignored constantly by busy or selfish parents makes you that way. Parents eff their kids up trying to be what society wants them to be.
Agree, I know a person who used to be my classmate who is this kind of guy. We were school friends. In school he was ok. We got the same college. In college he used to shame/ bully me about the things that have happened in the school days infront of other guys so that he has some attension among others. Now he is no more and he got dead by a train accident(suspecious though). In his funeral I came to know that his parents were seperated for some egoistic reasons all along the most of his life and also he received not much attention from any of them.
That’s correlation not causation. Narcissistic parents engulf or ignore their children. Being constantly ignored by selfish parents means the parent is a likely a narcissist not that the child will become one.
I always say there’s 3 types of people. Those that are self-serving (the average person)- going through life getting what they want and need. They may not realize how their wants and needs affect others... unless it’s pointed out to them. Then there’s those that consider others in their actions, empathetic types, community and considerate minded people. Then the third group is those that purposefully or maliciously harm others to get what they want/need. The psychopaths, narcissists, etc. So you can see that 2/3 of people are not really concerned or considerate of others in a purposeful way... and that explains what we see in our society today. Of course there’s adjustments through various cultures who are more or less community/others-minded.
It took me a year to figure out my ex girlfriend was a narcissist. This was her to a tee. She needed constant attention and validation, she was the most entitled and selfish person I ever met. She thought she was better than everyone else, but at the same time a victim and insecure.
A paradox precisely. My ex wife was entitled strong independent woman and at the same time no accountability. World was just happening to her and she was in the center.
Exactly they wanna feel like they are the number one, if you don't tell them what they wanna hear, you're suddenly the one that is in the wrong, always playing the victim with 0 accountability of their actions
Narcissism and codependency are on the same line, just on opposite ends. Throughout our life, we move toward one end or the other, but we’re never purely one or the other. Nowadays everyone loves labeling someone with the extreme that is seemingly incorrigible because it sells. One has to wonder if we’re pushing an idea or a book so much, which end would be on?!
Perfect Definition that I have never heard put so correctly~the creating trouble for attention is so true and also, yes, I have seen people with these traits in heavy duty | malignant version, are never going to change. Let. Them. Go. Thank you!
Oppenheimer, who 'healed' himself by putting his efforts into work and creating the first atombomb. Lol Greetings from Germany, he was a german, hence we learned about him in school and I have a whole different story about him. He didn't heal himself. He was a narcissist and more so an opportunist until the end. He switched sides as long as it profited him. High Machiavellian and high drive to power. He didn't care much about the fact that his research center in Los Alamos was built on holy grounds (a cemetery) of indigenous Americans. He was a war time head. You can read Brighter than thousands suns. It's a very easy to read book about Oppenheimer by Robert Jungk from 1956.
A sound explanation of the narcissist and one I much prefer over the endless videos by 'experts' who seem to have almost become a part of a growing problem whereby they've encouraged anyone and everyone (young women especially it would seem) who have been dumped or cheated on by their ex boyfriends, or simply had an argument with, likes to label them a narcissist. It's become a weaponised term and in so many cases exposes their own narcisisstic traits. So often these so-called experts are just a part of the problem they are purporting to cure, especially when it's fair to suggest that all but the most rare individuals do indeed display those narcissistic traits at times, as explained in this video.
All I can say is that, having worked for a narcissist for over 5 years, I am now struggling terribly to get over the toxic effects. Thankfully now that I am no longer in that toxic environment, there is still hope but if only I has recognised this man's problem from day one (yes he really did exhibit strong behavioural signs from the very first day!) I could have been spared years of stress and all the negative effects that had on me.
@@patriciakinloch9896 ....there are some real-deal naricissistic characters around for sure and we have to avoid them where possible. The big question we all have to ask is why we attract these people into our lives in the first place and take personal responsibility for our part in it all because we can't do anything about them other than avoid them or get away from them as soon as possible. But some people seem to find one after another after another, like for some reason they need that sort of treatment and abuse in their lives. I'm dealing with a narcissist at the moment, a client, but for me it has become just interesting and a bit of fun even as I can see right through him have the dominant mind, he has zero effect on me.
@@Ash_Hudson haha yes, funny you should say. I got called a narcissist just yesterday. So this was a born again Christian I was debating with who wasn't getting anywhere and on getting frustrated that I wouldn't simply believe his 'truth' he called me a narcissist. Now I'm a pretty strong character and have a big personality, but I am also what they like to call an empath. Apparently it's not possible for an empath to be a narcissist, even though of course we can all exhibit narcissistic traits at times. So I simply said "Narcissist ? Well thanks for the compiment", to which the response was a rather frustrated, even angry, "it's not meant to be a compliment !!" Every once in a while a new term comes out that fits perfectly with the narrative of certain people. I find most have no real idea what a narcissist really is and to them it's just something to call anyone who pisses them off. Funny thing. I've also found that many of those who use that term often are indeed highly narcissistic themselves.
What I saw in my mother was at least a triple helix of a spiral of this. She’d become entirely distracted by a legal case she brought against a company. But this also caused her to lose connection with the joys of her life. She stopped doing any work that brought her any feedback, even from me, as she’d begun to see me as just something to use and I began to realize this, even on an unconscious level at first, perhaps. So, it spiraled into her possibly even losing not just her work to go to, but her identity. Although I’d been her biggest cheerleader, that too dissipated and turned into malignant, covert narcissistic abuse. She lost me as her daughter. Then, she lost her life.
Never remove the spiritual from the psychological. We all have original good and those who are lost/have arrested development in these ways can transform. They’d have to be determined but people always have their original good in them they can access to help them grow. If you’re someone dealing with them however-there’s nothing YOU can do but love them from afar. To grow is a spiritual, life and time decision, and no one but them can make that decision in their place… and nothing you can do can make them truly want to make that decision and take that decision. Nothing. So save yourself and love them from afar and hope they do make that choice for themselves.
I have been following your Patrick for the longest time; I think primarily because of what your first and initial intention of your content was at the beginning; I wish you would still do these kinds of interviews again. You amaze me, regardless. I appreciate your dedication and your hard work in guiding all of us. I look up to you for all your great trades, knowing how hard it is to migrate from Iran to here; Been there, done that; and your work means a lot. So thank you!
Whenever I have a bought of depression I get obsessed with trying to diagnose myself with NPD! So this is really helpful information and far better than all the vilifying content online regarding narcissism. At least I know that I'm being narcissistic at the moment and can at least invest time in others to try and drag myself out of the depression 🙏🙏
My parents thought that they can and they did buy happiness for the family. It was clear as water when any argument comes back as a question “What else do you need?”. Family where appreciation comes through higher salaries. My mother has been dead for 2 years now and I’m still looking for that phantom appreciation.
ruclips.net/channel/UCnr7eQQzbj01-Js_Exsr6vg The Little Shaman is a RUclips channel that has been absolutely instrumental in granting me the insight that I was lacking in regards to personality disorders and other toxic behavioural traits. Just listening to her videos, it sounded like she based them on my relationship with my girlfriend. It was absolutely bizarre how uncanny the similarities were. I felt absolutely lost from being gaslit for so long, and hearing so many other people had gone through such similar experiences, helped validate what I previously couldn’t articulate. If you decide to check her out, I can almost guarantee you will binge watch her videos. They’ll give you the clarity that you may be seeking, and arm you with the information that should be compulsorily taught in public education. I hope watching them helps illuminate your path.
"Some kids come to school to raise hell and they need to be removed from class." - Dr Thomas Sowell "We NEED attention." This is important to understand. I think the amount of attention needed is where so many problems arise in relationships. People need attention at different amounts and at different times.
The point is how he view`s the topic. Not the topic. You can have 1000 writers talk about Narcissism and NPD, but only one of them is Robert Greene and his outlook. You don`t need to be orginal to produce something great. As a matter of fact i think orginality is overated.
In case you have not read the book Chapter 2,The Law of Narcissism.(The laws of Human Nature) "We are all narcissists,some deeper on the spectrum than others.Our mission in life is to come to terms with this self love and learn how to turn our sensitivity outward,toward others instead of inward.We must recognize at the same time the toxic Narcissists among us before getting enmeshed in their dramas and poisoned by their envy."
My SIL. She constantly sends pictures of the kids and herself to the family chat. If the topic isn’t about her, she’ll send a picture of something she’s doing to move it back to her. If you try to talk about yourself you can see her glaze over. It’s brutal
Robert Greene: You are mistaken about narcissists: They love themselves so much that they forget to think about how other people feel. Their self-concepts are sky high. Many of them were trained to be this way by their doting parents and other adults in their early years
I think it depends on the "type" of narcissist. I think what you say applies to the grandiose/overt narcissist, and to a degree malignant, but not necessarily for the vulnerable/covert. With them I agree with Greene. In the end they're motivated by fear and insecurity, just one has a more steady supply and is more secure in their supply and the other doesn't. They're black holes regardless and want to be treated as if they're God.
They luv the imaginery self. They dont luv themselves, they cannot accept any flaws, mistakes, etc they want admiration for being flawless. Which is not the reality, and it triggers shame in them, therefore they keep on lying like forever.
I agree that in some cases the child may have been told/ be given the impression that they could do wrong- in combination with a poor example for respecting authority.
If the success of the Manhatten project is the result, when narcisstic people put their energy into work, then they better stay at the attention seeking mode...
It puts you into a state where nothing matters in a good way. You truly don't give a shit about anything and you're just happy as fuck as a result, because nothing matters. Nothing matters, nothing means anything, there's nothing to do, there's no point, there's no goal but there's also no boredom, there's no negative meanings attached to the meaninglessness, it's just perfectly meaningless and it's awesome. You're basically just like sitting like a cat on a windowsill enjoying whatever experience is before it, just being and it feels amazing.
I remember a narcissist who i knew used to repeat this all the time “nothing matters you can do what you want” but I didn’t pay attention to the consequences of being friends with someone who repeats phrases like this, I thought it was all chill n fine until i got rekt by him lol 😂. Be very careful
First and foremost, GO NO CONTACT w/ the narc (if possible) Focus on loving you!! Do what makes you happy, more importantly look within to find out why you entertain the narc? Low self-esteem, an abusive parent etc. Healing takes times so be patient with yourself, and Never go back to the narc, because now you know. ❤️
What an imbalance, wow. Obsessing over your achievements will not cure your narcissism. Instead: Learn to love and accept yourself. Learn to forgive yourself. Learn to work through your childhood and past traumas. Embracing perfectionism will not help anyone overcome narcissism as it is also THE problem.
Thanks for the Talk ~ Sir ~ A very hot Summernight in August - and I would like to roam around ~ outside ~ But there is tooo much NeighbourHood ~ Have a good Weekend ~ 💌🗻🕊🌹🕊🗻💌
It’s called resilience and it don’t come from parents it’s internal. Narc parents test the resilience of their kids and how some kids make it out with empathy in tact if resilience supposed derived externally???
I think Robert had wrong concept of personality traits for empath. Let’s say the middle range area are the more healthier people who has some level of the narcissism and some level of the empathic capability. If you go further on the right side of the scale, you will be a high level of the narcissistic person until you reach the most toxic destructive narcissistic traits. If you going on the left side of the spectrum, too left will take you to a toxic empath point, these people has same kind of cognitive dissonant as toxic narcissist, they just present themselves in opposite way by giving until they lost all of themselves. Both side of the extreme spectrum ( narcissist and empath ) are toxic and very unhealthy, both have no boundaries, no self esteem, no self love, it just one use “ take” as their power control game, another one use “ give” as their control game. Both side are extremely insecure and have a sick needs of control. I have seen both of these type of the people, and they both living miserable and tend to be very easy to attract with each other to create the most dysfunctional relationships.
Thanks for your answer. I can say that you are 100% right, in clinical psychology we see those "super empaths" as pathological as well, plus they are constantly overstepping others boundaries. They have poor boundaries and have to work on themselves to get proper boundaries. The middle range is the healthy range.
This bit where he (and many other people) think they are the top 30% super empathetic, that they can sense the feelings of others and somehow relate to others in a more effective, more generous manner is just vain glory gone off the other edge. None of us can read minds, none of us have sufficient wisdom of our own minds to know how to comprehend another person’s experience or intention in the moment, all of that is just a blown up affectation of omniscience - and it is ultimately self serving. Forget “being an empath,” that’s a creature of science fiction made to imply superior capabilities to the normal human. The tragedy enters when mere mortals think they have an advantage over others innately, that their sensitivity is unique and rings true above all their fellows. Honestly, extreme experience of empathy is usually either a trauma response to chaos in childhood resulting in fulminant codependency or a fantasy of executive disorders like autism. Yes, we can pay deliberate attention to others in a concerted effort to find out what they are feeling and what is driving them, but that’s not a gift or innate trait. We all have to make the effort or not, and sometimes we hit bingo and a whole lot of the time we don’t. Be prepared to miss the mark of perception or empathy every time, we’re all just average schmucks down here doing the best we can.
That's not entirely true. A well vacated mind is one that reflects the other. Through that reflection, you can come to know another's current state. These psychic "powers" we think of are normal human functions but we clog ourselves and prevent their functioning. In Indian philosophy, they are called cidis. The difference between having them and displaying them comes down to ones identification with them. Held onto as a source of power only works because they aren't widespread and boosts the ego, like you are mentioning. Letting them function as is works because ideally they would cancel each other out amongst the different humans
Lmao even the title is stupid. "The laws of human nature" makes no sense. "Human nature" wouldn't sell to a self help group audience and he isn't going to get published through Yale. The biggest accomplishment of America is perfecting the human inability to differentiate genius from salesmanship
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Wilson The Grapefruit yea niggah focus all your energy on achieving shit. People with our personality type are destined for greatness if they focus their energy towards some type of productive motion. Create purpose than work to manifest it. Your greatness will be proven
If you weren’t so busy being a narcissist and thinking about yourself, you would have watched the video in its entirety, and then found the answer. Kidding of course. I seriously hope this comment doesn’t set off anything, the opportunity to say it was just too great!
@@theaceofswords3395 Do not generalize man not all narcissist are destined for greatness in fact there is no such thing as destiny its your choice if you wanna achieve great things or not.
We are addicted junkies asking for approval from others. Slap on a shudder. Somewhere is hiding it from us. If we knew it. Having a second chance perhaps. We wouldn't do it. We would ask why?
They don't know what love is period. How can they love when they don't know empathy or how to love someone without beign self serving. They are with someone just to use them. Once they have depleted that person, they will move to the next victim.
Pearl Girl I've found that they need to do the healing work on childhood trauma issues before genuinely loving anyone, including themselves, is possible though. I hope it's okay to mention that Dr Mark Ettensohn from Heal NPD and Dr Diana Diamond have had success with highly narcissistic individuals, because they understand that talking therapy and CBT etc isn't enough. 😊
I got into a very high level empathy. It’s scary when you can feel other ppl, read ppl and know they aren’t for your best interest. There’s a reason why I hang with my dog
I had kids with a witch. For the longest time, i thought I should hang in there for their development but its gotten to a point where its intolerable.
Yes; your spirit sees their spirit
Yes! I used to think something was wrong with me. Then I learned to manage it. Still learning actually. There's a huge learning curve to overcome when operating from high level empathy. And it's typically associated with great pain caused by low level narcs. 😥 at least that was my case.
Man, I am jealous of you. Lol 😂
@@shriyash_patil don’t be jealous; I’m the same way and I hate it about myself; I see people demons and I know their bad intentions; this high level of empathy comes from a traumatic childhood and intense child abuse; I always know when people are lying; like when Jussie smollette (if that’s his name) was telling that story of getting beat up from a hate crime I knew the story was a lie then and there........people found out later but I knew then!!! It’s frustrating when I watch documentaries with people who claim innocence because I can see their guilt; with family members too! Trust me u don’t want that level of empathy because most times you have to keep it yourself and play along as if u don’t know!!
That’s the correct definition psychologically; narcissism is a an ego compensation for true self love
Pressure to be successful and ignored constantly by busy or selfish parents makes you that way. Parents eff their kids up trying to be what society wants them to be.
Agree, I know a person who used to be my classmate who is this kind of guy. We were school friends. In school he was ok. We got the same college. In college he used to shame/ bully me about the things that have happened in the school days infront of other guys so that he has some attension among others. Now he is no more and he got dead by a train accident(suspecious though). In his funeral I came to know that his parents were seperated for some egoistic reasons all along the most of his life and also he received not much attention from any of them.
Or they receive too much, and are spoiled,entitled, disrespectful wotsits because the parent had something to prove
@@KiKi-te9yd under and over involved parents both are bad for the child.
Its exactly what happened to someone I know man. Discovering self love and love for others helped them to neutralise this evil.
That’s correlation not causation. Narcissistic parents engulf or ignore their children. Being constantly ignored by selfish parents means the parent is a likely a narcissist not that the child will become one.
Very true. There is no cure, they are stuck that way. Cut your losses.
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I always say there’s 3 types of people. Those that are self-serving (the average person)- going through life getting what they want and need. They may not realize how their wants and needs affect others... unless it’s pointed out to them. Then there’s those that consider others in their actions, empathetic types, community and considerate minded people. Then the third group is those that purposefully or maliciously harm others to get what they want/need. The psychopaths, narcissists, etc. So you can see that 2/3 of people are not really concerned or considerate of others in a purposeful way... and that explains what we see in our society today. Of course there’s adjustments through various cultures who are more or less community/others-minded.
Damn that’s quite a dim outlook
It took me a year to figure out my ex girlfriend was a narcissist. This was her to a tee. She needed constant attention and validation, she was the most entitled and selfish person I ever met. She thought she was better than everyone else, but at the same time a victim and insecure.
A paradox precisely. My ex wife was entitled strong independent woman and at the same time no accountability. World was just happening to her and she was in the center.
5 years for me
Exactly they wanna feel like they are the number one, if you don't tell them what they wanna hear, you're suddenly the one that is in the wrong, always playing the victim with 0 accountability of their actions
I've always believed this about narcissist. It's all about filling the void of not having that self love.
This is exactly why I hang alone all the time. To many extroverts desperately looking for someone to leech on. Stay away from me
It's like these people bring darkness instead of the light🕯
Narcissism and codependency are on the same line, just on opposite ends. Throughout our life, we move toward one end or the other, but we’re never purely one or the other. Nowadays everyone loves labeling someone with the extreme that is seemingly incorrigible because it sells. One has to wonder if we’re pushing an idea or a book so much, which end would be on?!
I am reading Greene's book. I am at the second chapter now. Watching this, kinda helps me understand.
Perfect Definition that I have never heard put so correctly~the creating trouble for attention is so true and also, yes, I have seen people with these traits in heavy duty | malignant version, are never going to change. Let. Them. Go.
Thank you!
Oppenheimer, who 'healed' himself by putting his efforts into work and creating the first atombomb. Lol
Greetings from Germany, he was a german, hence we learned about him in school and I have a whole different story about him. He didn't heal himself. He was a narcissist and more so an opportunist until the end. He switched sides as long as it profited him. High Machiavellian and high drive to power. He didn't care much about the fact that his research center in Los Alamos was built on holy grounds (a cemetery) of indigenous Americans. He was a war time head.
You can read Brighter than thousands suns. It's a very easy to read book about Oppenheimer by Robert Jungk from 1956.
oppenheimer wasnt german lmao
A sound explanation of the narcissist and one I much prefer over the endless videos by 'experts' who seem to have almost become a part of a growing problem whereby they've encouraged anyone and everyone (young women especially it would seem) who have been dumped or cheated on by their ex boyfriends, or simply had an argument with, likes to label them a narcissist. It's become a weaponised term and in so many cases exposes their own narcisisstic traits. So often these so-called experts are just a part of the problem they are purporting to cure, especially when it's fair to suggest that all but the most rare individuals do indeed display those narcissistic traits at times, as explained in this video.
All I can say is that, having worked for a narcissist for over 5 years, I am now struggling terribly to get over the toxic effects. Thankfully now that I am no longer in that toxic environment, there is still hope but if only I has recognised this man's problem from day one (yes he really did exhibit strong behavioural signs from the very first day!) I could have been spared years of stress and all the negative effects that had on me.
@@patriciakinloch9896 ....there are some real-deal naricissistic characters around for sure and we have to avoid them where possible. The big question we all have to ask is why we attract these people into our lives in the first place and take personal responsibility for our part in it all because we can't do anything about them other than avoid them or get away from them as soon as possible. But some people seem to find one after another after another, like for some reason they need that sort of treatment and abuse in their lives. I'm dealing with a narcissist at the moment, a client, but for me it has become just interesting and a bit of fun even as I can see right through him have the dominant mind, he has zero effect on me.
Yep. Agreed. Narcissist seems to become like a pop word that's just thrown around now as a way for people to feel justified.
@@Ash_Hudson haha yes, funny you should say. I got called a narcissist just yesterday. So this was a born again Christian I was debating with who wasn't getting anywhere and on getting frustrated that I wouldn't simply believe his 'truth' he called me a narcissist. Now I'm a pretty strong character and have a big personality, but I am also what they like to call an empath. Apparently it's not possible for an empath to be a narcissist, even though of course we can all exhibit narcissistic traits at times. So I simply said "Narcissist ? Well thanks for the compiment", to which the response was a rather frustrated, even angry, "it's not meant to be a compliment !!" Every once in a while a new term comes out that fits perfectly with the narrative of certain people. I find most have no real idea what a narcissist really is and to them it's just something to call anyone who pisses them off. Funny thing. I've also found that many of those who use that term often are indeed highly narcissistic themselves.
Never heard it explained so clearly and eloquently! Dead on
What I saw in my mother was at least a triple helix of a spiral of this. She’d become entirely distracted by a legal case she brought against a company. But this also caused her to lose connection with the joys of her life. She stopped doing any work that brought her any feedback, even from me, as she’d begun to see me as just something to use and I began to realize this, even on an unconscious level at first, perhaps. So, it spiraled into her possibly even losing not just her work to go to, but her identity. Although I’d been her biggest cheerleader, that too dissipated and turned into malignant, covert narcissistic abuse. She lost me as her daughter. Then, she lost her life.
Bless you.
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Never remove the spiritual from the psychological. We all have original good and those who are lost/have arrested development in these ways can transform. They’d have to be determined but people always have their original good in them they can access to help them grow.
If you’re someone dealing with them however-there’s nothing YOU can do but love them from afar. To grow is a spiritual, life and time decision, and no one but them can make that decision in their place… and nothing you can do can make them truly want to make that decision and take that decision. Nothing. So save yourself and love them from afar and hope they do make that choice for themselves.
Greene explains this so well.
I have been following your Patrick for the longest time; I think primarily because of what your first and initial intention of your content was at the beginning; I wish you would still do these kinds of interviews again.
You amaze me, regardless. I appreciate your dedication and your hard work in guiding all of us. I look up to you for all your great trades, knowing how hard it is to migrate from Iran to here; Been there, done that; and your work means a lot. So thank you!
Whenever I have a bought of depression I get obsessed with trying to diagnose myself with NPD! So this is really helpful information and far better than all the vilifying content online regarding narcissism. At least I know that I'm being narcissistic at the moment and can at least invest time in others to try and drag myself out of the depression 🙏🙏
My parents thought that they can and they did buy happiness for the family. It was clear as water when any argument comes back as a question “What else do you need?”. Family where appreciation comes through higher salaries. My mother has been dead for 2 years now and I’m still looking for that phantom appreciation.
I keep on repeating this. Thank you for uploading this, it's clearing my mind.
ruclips.net/channel/UCnr7eQQzbj01-Js_Exsr6vg
The Little Shaman is a RUclips channel that has been absolutely instrumental in granting me the insight that I was lacking in regards to personality disorders and other toxic behavioural traits.
Just listening to her videos, it sounded like she based them on my relationship with my girlfriend. It was absolutely bizarre how uncanny the similarities were. I felt absolutely lost from being gaslit for so long, and hearing so many other people had gone through such similar experiences, helped validate what I previously couldn’t articulate.
If you decide to check her out, I can almost guarantee you will binge watch her videos. They’ll give you the clarity that you may be seeking, and arm you with the information that should be compulsorily taught in public education. I hope watching them helps illuminate your path.
I agree with dr. Robert Greene 100%
I think personalities disorders can be treated but it may take decades to make that change.
He's talking about covert narcassists
U nailed it sir absolutely raw true
Robert Greene should be Dr. Robert Greene.
Pretty inspiring. Well said Robert 👏
Couldn't say it any better
This man is GOATED
This men is just awesome, awesome!
Robert I have respect and love to you and your noble teachings. They are z gems of wisdom. Thank you alot for your uplifting methods.
Makes sense to me
A narcissist is actually empty inside. He uses other people that fill that void. A narcissist is an energy vampire, an endless black hole.
"Some kids come to school to raise hell and they need to be removed from class." - Dr Thomas Sowell
"We NEED attention."
This is important to understand.
I think the amount of attention needed is where so many problems arise in relationships. People need attention at different amounts and at different times.
He basically is saying what the textbook says on Narcissist Personalities.
Check out prof Sam Vaknin
The point is how he view`s the topic. Not the topic. You can have 1000 writers talk about Narcissism and NPD, but only one of them is Robert Greene and his outlook. You don`t need to be orginal to produce something great. As a matter of fact i think orginality is overated.
the guy infront of you robert...hes a narc...its hilarious
Based on what?
@@adriantomole1019 based on projection thats what
In case you have not read the book
Chapter 2,The Law of Narcissism.(The laws of Human Nature)
"We are all narcissists,some deeper on the spectrum than others.Our mission in life is to come to terms with this self love and learn how to turn our sensitivity outward,toward others instead of inward.We must recognize at the same time the toxic Narcissists among us before getting enmeshed in their dramas and poisoned by their envy."
@@raymondtendau2749 nice. But yeah I'm sure Rob sees it
@@JonkerHoodMoments Based on your speculation with zero evidence.
He is likely on the normal range for narcissism.
My SIL. She constantly sends pictures of the kids and herself to the family chat. If the topic isn’t about her, she’ll send a picture of something she’s doing to move it back to her. If you try to talk about yourself you can see her glaze over. It’s brutal
Robert Greene: You are mistaken about narcissists: They love themselves so much that they forget to think about how other people feel. Their self-concepts are sky high. Many of them were trained to be this way by their doting parents and other adults in their early years
I think it depends on the "type" of narcissist. I think what you say applies to the grandiose/overt narcissist, and to a degree malignant, but not necessarily for the vulnerable/covert. With them I agree with Greene. In the end they're motivated by fear and insecurity, just one has a more steady supply and is more secure in their supply and the other doesn't. They're black holes regardless and want to be treated as if they're God.
They luv the imaginery self. They dont luv themselves, they cannot accept any flaws, mistakes, etc they want admiration for being flawless. Which is not the reality, and it triggers shame in them, therefore they keep on lying like forever.
I agree that in some cases the child may have been told/ be given the impression that they could do wrong- in combination with a poor example for respecting authority.
If the success of the Manhatten project is the result, when narcisstic people put their energy into work, then they better stay at the attention seeking mode...
I meet one at work, I feel sorry for him.
It puts you into a state where nothing matters in a good way. You truly don't give a shit about anything and you're just happy as fuck as a result, because nothing matters. Nothing matters, nothing means anything, there's nothing to do, there's no point, there's no goal but there's also no boredom, there's no negative meanings attached to the meaninglessness, it's just perfectly meaningless and it's awesome. You're basically just like sitting like a cat on a windowsill enjoying whatever experience is before it, just being and it feels amazing.
Is that what a narcissist feels is that what you're saying?
I remember a narcissist who i knew used to repeat this all the time “nothing matters you can do what you want” but I didn’t pay attention to the consequences of being friends with someone who repeats phrases like this, I thought it was all chill n fine until i got rekt by him lol 😂. Be very careful
How does one recover from the abuse and manipulation caused by a former partner who is a narcissist?
First and foremost, GO NO CONTACT w/ the narc (if possible) Focus on loving you!! Do what makes you happy, more importantly look within to find out why you entertain the narc? Low self-esteem, an abusive parent etc. Healing takes times so be patient with yourself, and Never go back to the narc, because now you know. ❤️
@@keita9414 Thank you for this
@@yt9054 ❤️ You're most welcome!
What an imbalance, wow. Obsessing over your achievements will not cure your narcissism. Instead: Learn to love and accept yourself. Learn to forgive yourself. Learn to work through your childhood and past traumas.
Embracing perfectionism will not help anyone overcome narcissism as it is also THE problem.
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It’s called resilience and it don’t come from parents it’s internal. Narc parents test the resilience of their kids and how some kids make it out with empathy in tact if resilience supposed derived externally???
I think Robert had wrong concept of personality traits for empath. Let’s say the middle range area are the more healthier people who has some level of the narcissism and some level of the empathic capability. If you go further on the right side of the scale, you will be a high level of the narcissistic person until you reach the most toxic destructive narcissistic traits. If you going on the left side of the spectrum, too left will take you to a toxic empath point, these people has same kind of cognitive dissonant as toxic narcissist, they just present themselves in opposite way by giving until they lost all of themselves. Both side of the extreme spectrum ( narcissist and empath ) are toxic and very unhealthy, both have no boundaries, no self esteem, no self love, it just one use “ take” as their power control game, another one use “ give” as their control game. Both side are extremely insecure and have a sick needs of control. I have seen both of these type of the people, and they both living miserable and tend to be very easy to attract with each other to create the most dysfunctional relationships.
Thanks for your answer. I can say that you are 100% right, in clinical psychology we see those "super empaths" as pathological as well, plus they are constantly overstepping others boundaries. They have poor boundaries and have to work on themselves to get proper boundaries. The middle range is the healthy range.
Exactly!
This bit where he (and many other people) think they are the top 30% super empathetic, that they can sense the feelings of others and somehow relate to others in a more effective, more generous manner is just vain glory gone off the other edge. None of us can read minds, none of us have sufficient wisdom of our own minds to know how to comprehend another person’s experience or intention in the moment, all of that is just a blown up affectation of omniscience - and it is ultimately self serving. Forget “being an empath,” that’s a creature of science fiction made to imply superior capabilities to the normal human. The tragedy enters when mere mortals think they have an advantage over others innately, that their sensitivity is unique and rings true above all their fellows. Honestly, extreme experience of empathy is usually either a trauma response to chaos in childhood resulting in fulminant codependency or a fantasy of executive disorders like autism.
Yes, we can pay deliberate attention to others in a concerted effort to find out what they are feeling and what is driving them, but that’s not a gift or innate trait. We all have to make the effort or not, and sometimes we hit bingo and a whole lot of the time we don’t. Be prepared to miss the mark of perception or empathy every time, we’re all just average schmucks down here doing the best we can.
That's not entirely true. A well vacated mind is one that reflects the other. Through that reflection, you can come to know another's current state. These psychic "powers" we think of are normal human functions but we clog ourselves and prevent their functioning. In Indian philosophy, they are called cidis. The difference between having them and displaying them comes down to ones identification with them. Held onto as a source of power only works because they aren't widespread and boosts the ego, like you are mentioning. Letting them function as is works because ideally they would cancel each other out amongst the different humans
I feel like MDMA might temporarily teaches the "20 - 30 levels" narc empathy for a bit...LOL...
Get a trade. Get a hobby. Get a job or business you like. DO you!
Realizing im narcissistic 😢
I wouldn't call achieving the biggest phallus in history curing yourself from narcissism.
My narcissistic ex boyfriend ridiculed me for not having read 48 Laws of Power. I've read it. I can see where his mental warfare orchestrated from.
How do I heal from my ex narcissistic gf
i reckon i cured myself. What he outlines here about the work thing, is exactly what i did but i did alot too.
It seems to me that Robert Greene is on par with the great Greek philosophers.
Lmao even the title is stupid.
"The laws of human nature" makes no sense. "Human nature" wouldn't sell to a self help group audience and he isn't going to get published through Yale.
The biggest accomplishment of America is perfecting the human inability to differentiate genius from salesmanship
That seems to me much of todays social media
Histrionic personality disorder
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I suspect I am a deep narcissist, can I be cured?
Wilson The Grapefruit yea niggah focus all your energy on achieving shit. People with our personality type are destined for greatness if they focus their energy towards some type of productive motion. Create purpose than work to manifest it. Your greatness will be proven
Yeah he tells you how to "cure" yourself at the end of the video
If you weren’t so busy being a narcissist and thinking about yourself, you would have watched the video in its entirety, and then found the answer.
Kidding of course. I seriously hope this comment doesn’t set off anything, the opportunity to say it was just too great!
what makes you think you're a deep narcissist?
@@theaceofswords3395 Do not generalize man not all narcissist are destined for greatness in fact there is no such thing as destiny its your choice if you wanna achieve great things or not.
Wow
I wished you wrote The Laws of Human Nature right after 48 Laws of Power. Smh.
We are addicted junkies asking for approval from others. Slap on a shudder. Somewhere is hiding it from us. If we knew it. Having a second chance perhaps. We wouldn't do it. We would ask why?
dudes who cross their legs like that are sus,
Na.
-no.. Mr. Greene is wrong... if the narcissist trusts in Jesus, Jesus can and will heal the narcissist
I heard the only way a true narcissist can be cured is if they love someone deeply
They need to start with themselves
They don't know what love is period. How can they love when they don't know empathy or how to love someone without beign self serving. They are with someone just to use them. Once they have depleted that person, they will move to the next victim.
Pearl Girl I've found that they need to do the healing work on childhood trauma issues before genuinely loving anyone, including themselves, is possible though.
I hope it's okay to mention that Dr Mark Ettensohn from Heal NPD and Dr Diana Diamond have had success with highly narcissistic individuals, because they understand that talking therapy and CBT etc isn't enough. 😊
Not sure if you noticed, but the interviewer is significantly larger than Robert Green
pbd is a narcissist