This is an excellent podcast. So thankful that even though I was born and brought up in the South, my parents never taught us any kind of racism about any race. I have had friends from many countries, and I love having a church where any one, any race can come and be comfortable and praise Jesus together. It really is a beautiful thing. Thank you, Bro. Bernard!
Thank you Brother Bernard for explaining this subject matter so well. My late Daddy was an ordained minister in the Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ, starting in the 1960s in Athens, Ohio. My late Mother played the organ and led the choir. Powerful church. My Mom would drive for hundred miles to pick up people for church. We always had black, white and Asians in our car going to church. The college in Athens in the 60s had a large riot and we were driving right through it going to church that Sunday evening. They were going to beat our car up with baseball bats until they spotted my Mother’s Bible on the dashboard. They all stopped and told each other “don’t touch her car”! My Dad and Mom were always working for the Lord. No malice. No hate etc. They loved God and every one. My siblings and I believe the same way. We started going to UPCI as a family later. But my mother was from a church in Huntington WV as a teen. Called The 25th Street Pentecostal Church. Brother E.C. Sowards was her Pastor at that time in the 50s. Powerful church! My parent’s story has many more chapters. God is so real! May God bless you and Brother Mohr. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
My mother received the gift of the Holy Ghost in 1971 in Troy Alabama while in college. She along with brother Alonzo Terry. The local church there which was upc refused to hold services and blocked the doors so they couldn't get in. The pastor informed them that they were not welcomed so for like a year or so they had one sister in the church the one who whould hold services st the campus with the black apostolic people. My mother is still in the church today. Years laterI asked her mother why did you raise us up around these people when you know they didn't see us as equals? She replied "HONEY YOU MISSED THE POINT!!! ITS NOT ABOUT PEOPLE, ITS ALL ABOUT THE GOSPEL!!!God bless Brother Benard
The Apostolic Church was the first church I ever attended where the congregation was truly diverse and everyone worshipped and loved each other in complete unity. I was amazed and am so proud of the Church. Where the Holy Ghost moves there is no racism/prejudice or other societal ills. Praise Jesus!
Love the podcast, in my opinion though, the intro is too long. Maybe change it up a little, make it more interesting or something? But thank you for your podcast and the host and whoever works hard to put it together. Thank you for this blessing.
Hermano Bernard, ¿puedes explicar lo que era la doctrina de la entera santificación wesleyana como segunda obra de Gracia y porque no es un postura muy biblica y por lo cual la mayor parte del movimiento pentecostal y del pentecostalismo unicitario se adhiere a la obra terminada?
I see the nuance, but it is still a factor for sure. And I don't say this unkindly, but it's fairly embarrasing how all the churches in the south, UPCI or otherwise, aren't doing more to eliminate racist behavior in their societies. 😔 So many churches, and they can't seem to do much to change that?
I’ve read parts of it, I can’t say I agree that it explains the Godhead so much as twists it. But in no where in that book does he ever answer the question who the Holy Spirit is hearing from in John 16:13, so who is he hearing from?
The Spirit hearing from the Father (in my understanding) isn't suggesting that the Holy Spirit is different or separate, but more so He is the Father at work or in operation. When you work, you guide your actions with a thought process, so is the case with God who is the Father. His actions are what we know or comprehend as the Holy Spirit, so 'him hearing' is more a language style, and not a seperation of persons.
This is a good question. Dr. David K. Bernard addressed this verse at length in his book The Oneness View of Jesus Christ. I have included the entire excerpt here. You may find Dr. Bernard's book to be a valuable resource in your studies. """ Trinitarians also point to John 16:13 as evidence for an independent personality of the Holy Spirit: “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” The Greek text literally says, “He will not speak from Himself,” meaning, “He will not speak on His own authority” (NKJV). A Trinitarian explanation of the verse is inadequate, however, for the third person would be in a very subordinate role and possibly would not even be omniscient, contrary to the Trinitarian doctrine of coequality. He would not be able to say or know anything except what he received from another person. How then could this third person be God and have the power of God? In fact, this verse says the Spirit does not have independent authority or identity. He does not come under another name but in Jesus’ name (John 14:26). In actuality, Jesus described the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the working of the Spirit in the believer. (See John 16:7.) It seems that He was trying to counter the tendency that sometimes arises among Spirit-filled people to think that they have some kind of supernatural authority in their own right. In other words, people who receive the Holy Spirit do not thereby have authority to establish any doctrine or teaching of their own. Though they may exercise the gifts of prophecy, tongues, and interpretation of tongues, the Spirit within them will not speak as a separate entity residing within them. Rather, the Spirit in them will only speak what is communicated by the mind of God-what is consistent with the Word of God. To that extent, John 16:13 makes a conceptual (but not personal) distinction between God as Father, Lord, and Omniscient Mind and God in action, operation, or indwelling. The distinction is similar to that in Romans 8:26-27 and I Corinthians 2:10-16. The latter passage says we can know the mind of God by having the Spirit of God in us, for the Spirit of God knows the things of God. But, as we have already seen, the passage clearly does not envisage a personal distinction in the Godhead, for it compares God and His Spirit to a man and his spirit. Romans 8:26-27 says, “The Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.” In other words, when the Spirit prompts us and speaks through us in intercessory prayer, we can have confidence that our prayers are in God’s will. The Spirit of God will certainly make intercession in accordance with the will of God, for the Spirit is God Himself working in our lives. God will act in harmony with Himself as He first motivates our prayers and then hears and answers our prayers. """ (pages 64-65)
@@ShyGuy_238 ok, I've read this. DKB is clearly lying about John 16:13. Jesus is not making any such comparison, nor is he trying to stop believers from making their own doctrine (although that's a lesson DKB should consider practicing especially about the verse in question). This is another (in a long list of) example(s) of modalists declaring that verses that clearly contradict their narrative must therefore not be true. That is a fallacious way to read the Bible, because then you're saying the Bible is the word of God except when it's not. DKB is one of the most dishonest individuals I've seen to handle the word of God, and this "exerpt" is the most clear example. John 16:13-14 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. Who is He hearing from? Who is taking from whom?
@@HonestlyTho-ThePodcastShow that's not true... Jesus says "He [HS/SoT] shall not speak of himself..." if what you're saying is true then the HS does speak of himself, and Jesus would be lying. Again, this is modalism rewriting the Bible to fit their narrative rather than give Jesus the courtesy of believing what he says at face value.
We cannot afford to pretend to ourselves that those who accuse us of racism are arguing in good faith. When they say that UPCI was "founded in racism," what they mean is that regardless of what doctrines we embrace or our dedication to the Gospel, that our present body should be dissolved, our work for the Gospel halted, and our voice silenced. Any response to a question of this kind should begin by pointing this out.
Times have changed and we are thankful. I was apart of the upc for over 30 years. To this day i have family still in it.. again. Times have changed.. but let me say this The upc may not have been founded due to racism.. but in 80s and 90s which is during time i was a teen..and at least in midwest. It definitely had a racist "flavor" to it And alot of of blacks left the org because of it Of course when tht happens church folk will say they had a bad spirit anyway..and like i said i saw it felt it. Went to their bible college. Dealt with it there. Was asked to leave. And still stayed in it another 20 years lol.
Is MLK day the day to post this though? For clicks/views I guess, yes. But the proper video today would be one focusing on current efforts to combat the racial divide , and celebrating successful civil rights efforts of the past.
He has done videos on those specific topics. If you search youtube you will find out what they(UPCI) are doing to combat the issue. I must say Bro Bernard has not ran from this topic. I had the pleasure of sitting in one of his classes for ministers..and his teaching on this subject was profound. He actually talk of growing up on the mission field in Asia and he being the foreigner. It actually gave him a chance to somewhat feel what prejudice is like. I appreciate him. Talking about "hard" subjects. I am black..and was new to UPCI about 7 years ago. When I would go to conference I didn't feel welcomed. But in almost every conference Bro Benard as well as the Preachers would speak on this subject, of how rascism doesn't belong in the church. They were diligent in seeing a difference in the church and eradicating this problem. I can honestly say UPCI has taken a change for the better. We(blacks) are now represented in every area of the church. He has done the same for the women. ❤
No. People usually, more often than not, go to school, church and shop in their local areas. People's choices and movements have nothing to do with skin tone
This is an excellent podcast. So thankful that even though I was born and brought up in the South, my parents never taught us any kind of racism about any race. I have had friends from many countries, and I love having a church where any one, any race can come and be comfortable and praise Jesus together. It really is a beautiful thing. Thank you, Bro. Bernard!
Thank you Brother Bernard for explaining this subject matter so well. My late Daddy was an ordained minister in the Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ, starting in the 1960s in Athens, Ohio. My late Mother played the organ and led the choir. Powerful church. My Mom would drive for hundred miles to pick up people for church. We always had black, white and Asians in our car going to church. The college in Athens in the 60s had a large riot and we were driving right through it going to church that Sunday evening. They were going to beat our car up with baseball bats until they spotted my Mother’s Bible on the dashboard. They all stopped and told each other “don’t touch her car”! My Dad and Mom were always working for the Lord. No malice. No hate etc. They loved God and every one. My siblings and I believe the same way. We started going to UPCI as a family later. But my mother was from a church in Huntington WV as a teen. Called The 25th Street Pentecostal Church. Brother E.C. Sowards was her Pastor at that time in the 50s. Powerful church! My parent’s story has many more chapters. God is so real!
May God bless you and Brother Mohr. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Wow. I love this! I have researched the history of the Apostolic Pentecostal church, but Bro Bernard explained this so well.
If it weren’t for David Bernard I would probably be lost. This man has been such a blessing by the studying he has taken on. God bless you man of God.
Wow!! That's sad
Praise the Lord this a blessed teaching of the UPCI concerning racism as a Pentecostal living for God, I appreciate it.
My mother received the gift of the Holy Ghost in 1971 in Troy Alabama while in college. She along with brother Alonzo Terry. The local church there which was upc refused to hold services and blocked the doors so they couldn't get in. The pastor informed them that they were not welcomed so for like a year or so they had one sister in the church the one who whould hold services st the campus with the black apostolic people. My mother is still in the church today. Years laterI asked her mother why did you raise us up around these people when you know they didn't see us as equals? She replied "HONEY YOU MISSED THE POINT!!! ITS NOT ABOUT PEOPLE, ITS ALL ABOUT THE GOSPEL!!!God bless Brother Benard
Excellent presentation!! ❤
The Apostolic Church was the first church I ever attended where the congregation was truly diverse and everyone worshipped and loved each other in complete unity. I was amazed and am so proud of the Church. Where the Holy Ghost moves there is no racism/prejudice or other societal ills. Praise Jesus!
Excellent summary. Thank you and your staff.
Amazing honesty
Very informative. Thank you, Dr. Bernard.
Thanking God for your knowledge that you are sharing with us🙏🏻
I’ve always wondered about this question
Love the podcast, in my opinion though, the intro is too long. Maybe change it up a little, make it more interesting or something? But thank you for your podcast and the host and whoever works hard to put it together. Thank you for this blessing.
Hermano Bernard, ¿puedes explicar lo que era la doctrina de la entera santificación wesleyana como segunda obra de Gracia y porque no es un postura muy biblica y por lo cual la mayor parte del movimiento pentecostal y del pentecostalismo unicitario se adhiere a la obra terminada?
So basically yes!!! What about the churches that are segregated in the south today??
I see the nuance, but it is still a factor for sure. And I don't say this unkindly, but it's fairly embarrasing how all the churches in the south, UPCI or otherwise, aren't doing more to eliminate racist behavior in their societies. 😔 So many churches, and they can't seem to do much to change that?
Praise the LORD
I want Dr Bernard to talk about what Jesus meant when he saidbi have come not to abolish the law of Moses but to fulfill it.thankyou!
Who is the Holy Spirit hearing from in John 16:13? Who's voice are they hearing in John 5:37?
I’ve read parts of it, I can’t say I agree that it explains the Godhead so much as twists it. But in no where in that book does he ever answer the question who the Holy Spirit is hearing from in John 16:13, so who is he hearing from?
The Spirit hearing from the Father (in my understanding) isn't suggesting that the Holy Spirit is different or separate, but more so He is the Father at work or in operation. When you work, you guide your actions with a thought process, so is the case with God who is the Father. His actions are what we know or comprehend as the Holy Spirit, so 'him hearing' is more a language style, and not a seperation of persons.
This is a good question. Dr. David K. Bernard addressed this verse at length in his book The Oneness View of Jesus Christ. I have included the entire excerpt here. You may find Dr. Bernard's book to be a valuable resource in your studies.
""" Trinitarians also point to John 16:13 as evidence for an independent personality of the Holy Spirit: “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” The Greek text literally says, “He will not speak from Himself,” meaning, “He will not speak on His own authority” (NKJV).
A Trinitarian explanation of the verse is inadequate, however, for the third person would be in a very subordinate role and possibly would not even be omniscient, contrary to the Trinitarian doctrine of coequality. He would not be able to say or know anything except what he received from another person. How then could this third person be God and have the power of God? In fact, this verse says the Spirit does not have independent authority or identity. He does not come under another name but in Jesus’ name (John 14:26).
In actuality, Jesus described the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the working of the Spirit in the believer. (See John 16:7.) It seems that He was trying to counter the tendency that sometimes arises among Spirit-filled people to think that they have some kind of supernatural authority in their own right. In other words, people who receive the Holy Spirit do not thereby have authority to establish any doctrine or teaching of their own. Though they may exercise the gifts of prophecy, tongues, and interpretation of tongues, the Spirit within them will not speak as a separate entity residing within them. Rather, the Spirit in them will only speak what is communicated by the mind of God-what is consistent with the Word of God.
To that extent, John 16:13 makes a conceptual (but not personal) distinction between God as Father, Lord, and Omniscient Mind and God in action, operation, or indwelling. The distinction is similar to that in Romans 8:26-27 and I Corinthians 2:10-16. The latter passage says we can know the mind of God by having the Spirit of God in us, for the Spirit of God knows the things of God. But, as we have already seen, the passage clearly does not envisage a personal distinction in the Godhead, for it compares God and His Spirit to a man and his spirit.
Romans 8:26-27 says, “The Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.” In other words, when the Spirit prompts us and speaks through us in intercessory prayer, we can have confidence that our prayers are in God’s will. The Spirit of God will certainly make intercession in accordance with the will of God, for the Spirit is God Himself working in our lives. God will act in harmony with Himself as He first motivates our prayers and then hears and answers our prayers. """
(pages 64-65)
@@ShyGuy_238 ok, I've read this. DKB is clearly lying about John 16:13. Jesus is not making any such comparison, nor is he trying to stop believers from making their own doctrine (although that's a lesson DKB should consider practicing especially about the verse in question). This is another (in a long list of) example(s) of modalists declaring that verses that clearly contradict their narrative must therefore not be true. That is a fallacious way to read the Bible, because then you're saying the Bible is the word of God except when it's not.
DKB is one of the most dishonest individuals I've seen to handle the word of God, and this "exerpt" is the most clear example.
John 16:13-14
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
Who is He hearing from? Who is taking from whom?
@@HonestlyTho-ThePodcastShow that's not true... Jesus says "He [HS/SoT] shall not speak of himself..." if what you're saying is true then the HS does speak of himself, and Jesus would be lying. Again, this is modalism rewriting the Bible to fit their narrative rather than give Jesus the courtesy of believing what he says at face value.
Amen. 🔥
We cannot afford to pretend to ourselves that those who accuse us of racism are arguing in good faith. When they say that UPCI was "founded in racism," what they mean is that regardless of what doctrines we embrace or our dedication to the Gospel, that our present body should be dissolved, our work for the Gospel halted, and our voice silenced. Any response to a question of this kind should begin by pointing this out.
Amen
Times have changed and we are thankful. I was apart of the upc for over 30 years. To this day i have family still in it.. again. Times have changed.. but let me say this
The upc may not have been founded due to racism.. but in 80s and 90s which is during time i was a teen..and at least in midwest. It definitely had a racist "flavor" to it
And alot of of blacks left the org because of it
Of course when tht happens church folk will say they had a bad spirit anyway..and like i said i saw it felt it. Went to their bible college. Dealt with it there. Was asked to leave. And still stayed in it another 20 years lol.
ONE Body of Christ, amen!
I'd love to have someone tell me that I go to a white-man's church, because then I'd introduce them to my Hispanic Senior Pastor :D
Is MLK day the day to post this though? For clicks/views I guess, yes. But the proper video today would be one focusing on current efforts to combat the racial divide , and celebrating successful civil rights efforts of the past.
He has done videos on those specific topics. If you search youtube you will find out what they(UPCI) are doing to combat the issue.
I must say Bro Bernard has not ran from this topic. I had the pleasure of sitting in one of his classes for ministers..and his teaching on this subject was profound. He actually talk of growing up on the mission field in Asia and he being the foreigner. It actually gave him a chance to somewhat feel what prejudice is like. I appreciate him. Talking about "hard" subjects.
I am black..and was new to UPCI about 7 years ago. When I would go to conference I didn't feel welcomed. But in almost every conference Bro Benard as well as the Preachers would speak on this subject, of how rascism doesn't belong in the church. They were diligent in seeing a difference in the church and eradicating this problem. I can honestly say UPCI has taken a change for the better. We(blacks) are now represented in every area of the church. He has done the same for the women. ❤
No. People usually, more often than not, go to school, church and shop in their local areas.
People's choices and movements have nothing to do with skin tone