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Glad to see better experience with the replacement machine ! We recently added the MK4 to our print farm and also added it to our Prusa Connect setup . It works amazing , super quiet , faster print times than the MK3S+ the first layer detection is putting out amazing first layers to build on . Definitely a move forward and very excited to get the upgrade kits for the MK3 machines .
This is in line with my experience with prusa machines. Very solid printers and they earned their reputation in the industry. It's just hard to justify the cost when other printers in that price range are very good too.
before either camps attack me, I have Prusa machines that are great, I have an X1C that I love. I'm not brand loyal...I'm good 3D printing loyal. With that being said though, I really wished Prusa would have re-evaluated the value proposition with the new generation MK4. I think Prusa makes a very solid machine that even with the Mk4 advancements, feel outdated. while reliable, are extremely over-priced for the feature set. I would love to see prusa innovate to the point where their price feels like they have value or consider pricing decreases to be more competitive. My X1C produces as good prints but with less faults than the MK4 at a fraction of the print time. I'd really love to see the MK5 shake up the industry because I'm routing for Prusa but cant recommend them this generation.
Thanks for the review, really interesting! It's funny, the one feature I found particullary helpful is the led indicator. It is just great to take a quick look into the workshop: blue - working, green - finished, yellow - out of filament, or red - something broke. It's like the lights on big industry machines. That being said, I came to the same conclusion, it is a great printer, but times have changed, and it is not a default recommendation over the alternative anymore.
Regardless of whether the X1C or the MK4 is better, we should acknowledge that they represent significant advancement for everyone. Ten years ago, 3D printing was only hobby for experts and enthusiasts. However, this has changed thanks to new technologies, and it is now much easier for anyone to become interested in and participate in the world of 3D printing. Personally, I think both Prusa and Bambu are great because they both produce models that I have designed. A larger print area, like the one available on the Prusa XL, would still be welcome addition to my current printer.
yeah exept one of them got made rushed because bambu inovated and prusa got really scared they just now made a bad version of input shaping. Imressive how capitalism makes prusa inovate
@@Carpediem1312 Bambu locks you into their ecosystem, so I'd be wary of buying anything from them. Prusa makes open source printers, software, and firmware. Their printers are easily repairable and plenty of parts are available from both Prusa and third parties. It's really a no-brainer if you ask me.
I think my biggest gripe with Prusa, at the moment, is they only sell in US$. All other competitors, or semi-competitors, are selling in Canada dollars. The their asking price, is their asking price! So the big deal? US$ to CAN$, it can vary from day-to-day, week-to-week, etc. If I were to purchase the same kit as you did, it costed you $1,284.00 USD. At today's exchange rate (1.37), it would cost me $1,759.08 CAN$. If hesitated and waited until next week, the exchange could be at 1.5, for a cost of $1,926.00 - extreme example, but potentially possible. That's actually 27 bucks more than the Snapmaker A350T 3-in1 with a 320 x 350 x 220 bed. Or, $377 bucks more than a Bambu Lab X1 Carbon. I own 3 Original Prusa MK3.5s, at the time they were worth the money because nothing compared them. They were the best, or near best, you could get at the time. I can't actually and truly say that any more. Price per value, they have become even more expensive, for what they offer, when compared to the modern market. It does make me sad, I enjoyed my time with my Prusa's; e.g. upgrading 2x 3.0's to 3.5s, etc. At this point, I can't even see me purchasing a MK4 upgrade kit at $579.00 (w/ shipping, taxes, etc.) and then exchange rate. Most certainly... not three! It makes me sad, but my next purchase will probably not be a Prusa! In reality, they're giving me no choice!
It might be nice but my Anycubic Vyper with auto bed level, touch screen, 250x250x275 build plate, magnetic build plate and full size sd card prints just as well and i got mine new for under 200 usd.
sounds like another home run for prusa. My biggest caveats are the prices and print volume. When my ender 3 has a bigger build size at a 1/4 the price it's hard to justify. I have a P1P as well and it's an excellent printer at 1/2 the price.
People that talk about the price must not understand that you make back the extra money spent because of the quality of your projects.. I mean that’s the point isn’t it?
I bought a MK4 with the enclosure bundle and have been very happy. Print quality is fantastic and the input shaper firmware has cut print time in half without loss in quality.
At 8:52, BINGO, thank you! This is what I want to hear. I really don't care about tremendous speeds like you get with the Bambu X1. I want to see examples of print quality.. for instance, does it produce vertical lines? Just how good does the final print look compared to other printers? The less post processing I can avoid is a good tradeoff for a machine like the MK4 giving me better quality prints and smother surfaces than the X1. And I wish someone would print either a large cylinder or cube (like a large X Y Z cube) using a color/gloss material that shows print details the best. Thank-you!
this is nice! its really cool. it is very very cool to see that this fantastic printer has some pretty tough competition in Bambu. glad to see how much the printer space has exploded in the last few years. will most likely pick one of these when the next models are unveiled!
this printer is already far to expensive for what it is able to. and you still have to buy extra stuff like the nozzle to use it the way you want to. there is no possible excuse for the price. the prints look nice but the prints on my printer does that too and i did not even paid half the price. its the apple syndrom just for 3d printers.
I ordered my printer on April 12th based on the shipping information that prusa has provided I should be receiving it in about 2 weeks from now idc how long it takes. I got absolutely fed up with my ender 3 with the constant fiddling and constant issues I went and bought a mk4. After my ender 3 debacle anyone who says “but x printer is cheaper and just as good” I was told that exact same thing when I bought my ender 3 5 years ago and here I am buying a prusa. I have also heard “just upgrade your ender 3 and you’ll get all the features of the prusa” absolutely not. Every time you change something about your printer you’ll need to do more tinkering with it after the fact. I honestly thought about buying a x1c or p1p but I didn’t trust them I didn’t know how well they would be supported 5+ years down the line and on top of all that my files go to their servers that was a no go
being a closed system, your concerns are valid, though their spare parts are quite cheap. going thru server enables you to start remote print, unless your design is a potential multi million cash maker i dont see why not. Or, you can enable Lan only mode on the printer and your files wont go thru the server, or u can just have your g-code on sd card
@@thamjunyan6992 cheap parts today does not guarantee availability of parts tomorrow. Any printer is not immune to a total redesign including prusas. But a prusa only really uses a few non printed and not widely available parts like the frame, the y carriage, the power supply, the mainboard and the heatbed. I can pretty much replace the rest on my own or print my replacement parts. Bambu labs have already issued a design revision for the p1p; some x1c parts are not compatible with the p1p. I could use LAN mode but the thought of them even trying something like that just irks me like what else are they doing in their software. Why print it over the cloud at all when the alternatives are open like octoprint and prusalink.
Prusa's are great printers, just too much for what it is at this point imo. If they dropped this printer by like $400 I'd jump on it in a heartbeat. I'm glad this one is working for you though :D
I started with a Neptune three got a Saturn 2 8k. Then got a bambu x1c and Neptune max. Got this prusa sold it two weeks later didn’t find the quality the same speed didn’t help and I disliked everything about the interface in the wireless to the point to where I just couldn’t do it. I will write Network code and I saw how bad their network code was and I just couldn’t have it. Thanks as always for the honest review I know a lot of people like this product and are happy with it and I’m happy for them sometimes things just don’t work for one person and that’s how it is. Most people don’t like me that’s OK I’m not the most likable person if I was maybe I’d like this printer more. Anyway can’t wait to see the four of you always happy to see the contact definitely going to look at that subscription for the STL files I think I found something new to do today. Be well Be you
Regarding the belt tension, since I assembled my MK3S+ last year I only need it to re-tension my belts once because a need to move the printer and made some maintenance in the machine, but I don't think that you should need to change the tension of your belts more than 1 in a year maybe. Also, if you want to be perfectionist, you can check your belt tension range with a few clicks.
It's crazy to me that Prusa doesn't go all out for that price. They have the build quality, make a bigger print volume with all the quality of life improvements that you can get in other printers (for less money) and they could be sitting at the top. It just doesn't make sense that they'd make you give up everything else you can get on other printers just for print quality but still be so expensive.
They did that on XL. Cartesian printers cannot go much higher volume without sacrificing print quality (although input shaping could help with that in exchange for speed)
Having 1 MK3/MK4 in your mix of printers isn't a bad idea. I've got a couple prints that only the mk3 will do reliably.. for some reason the x1c won't print a couple files of mine but the mk3 does it fine.
Awesome video uncle jessy looking forward to your full review. For the full review can you do some head to head prints (with Timelapse) of the MK4 vs the X1C? And maybe a detailed pros and cons comparison of the two? That would be fantastic. Or maybe that should be a separate video now that I think of it lol. Keep up the great videos! I think you’ve become my favorite 3D printing channel. Love your content.
I think you made a great point about the belt tension areas would be really nice if we could do this type of maintence much quicker with easy access to say the least.
Prusa printers are open source, along with the firmware and software. This means you aren't locked into a product ecosystem, like with Bambu. Even if Prusa as a company disappears, the firmware and software will likely still be updated and maintained by the community and parts will still be available from third party manufacturers. Supporting a company that builds a quality product and balances profit with positive contributions to the 3d printing community is a great reason for preferring their product over others.
You are supposed to tension your belts once. Easy tensioners are source of issues with careless users that use them like they are tuning a radio station every single print
Strong passwords on printers is pretty important. If your router is set, by accident or otherwise, to expose the port to the Internet, someone could potentially destroy your printer or start a fire.
Given all of the issues you've mentioned, I would never pay $1300 for it. I've got my Sovol SV06 Plus for a quarter of that price and it's been an unbelievable machine.
The Prusa Link password is so long because it will be connecting over the internet and be remotely accessible. It's not just local. So you need to have a password longer than 12 characters for security. If it was just a 4-5 digit code, every Prusa Link account would be compromised in seconds. Each character added exponentially increases length of time to crack. So 15 characters is a good size to have. Any password/passphrase you use for banking, etc should be over 12 characters. This is why passphrases are better, it's easier for the human brain to remember a sentence, and length is what matters for security, not complexity. Computers running cracks don't care if it's a letter, number, or symbol, a character is a character. Adding symbols just adds to the pool of characters that have to be checked, but as long as the site allows those characters, they'll have to be checked again, but you using them doesn't mean it's more secure. We've been doing password security wrong for so long now. Bad habits and horrible policies just make it worse.
Bought a Prusa MK3 last year, a month later ordered a Bambu. Sold my Prusa within three months of owning it and bought another X1C. I can deal with a slightly worse print quality though I don’t have many issues with my X1C for the stuff I print. What I can’t get back though is time. Prusa just takes too long to print. Even you UJ were dancing around the length of time to print those various files, even scaled to 90%.
I have only just started with 3d printing sadly. I have the x1c and love it. Sold some prints online too. When i first herd about 3d printing i thought it was something out of my league,i assumed that they would be like 10k+ for a printer and just ignored it.
placed order for thee MK4 with encloser plan on ordering another all while waiting for the XL to come out, input shaping cuts off lots of time may not be the speed of bambu but I will not have thee clean up later or very little of it
I'm looking to buy my first 3d printer. I'm considering either the bamboo p1p or elegoo neptune 4 pro. What one would your recommend? Does one make better quality prints over the other?
For anyone who already has a Prusa MK3s or later, the MK4 is $699 I believe via the upgrade kit… I’m personally more interested in the XL. I find the rod & mitsumi bearing solution to be too noisey & create far too much slop & vibration. So the MK4 won’t be for me. Even though it looks like they have increased the diameter of the rods used, ’ll retire the MK3 once the current set of rods are worn out & call it a day. The Prusa XL with linear railing has caught my attention.
If that password is more complicated than your banking account password, then we need to have a serious conversation lol. Please tell me you at least use a password manager. On a more serious note, as a current owner of the Prusa Mk3S+, which I love, the Mk4 has kinda left me a little underwhelmed for all the reasons you mentioned.
It's odd that it doesn't show the total print time, as that is on the MK3 models. Seems like they got rid of some of the data the older model provides. If you want to know how long something takes to print though, just use Prusa Slicer. The ETA times are about 99% accurate. It's also funny to see features you are loving, which Prusa users are "Wait, other printers don't have these features? They are just logical things every printer should do." Prusa makes a bigger printer for people who want a bigger print volume. This is the smaller model. Just like other manufacturers, you want bigger, pay up.
hahaha oh man yeah, I'm wishing all of my other machines worked liked this with the insert card, auto load the last saved file, or the filament loading
If the files read cleanly from the old USB drive to a new one - then it doesn't sound like a corruption problem, as the corruption would be copied over. Printers are pretty time sensitive, and if they can't get information from the drive fast enough, that can lead to problems. So I think it's actually a problem with the speed or latency of the drive (or with the file system the drive uses).
idk for the money i think it falls pretty short in todays market. Looking for a 3rd priter. have an mk3s+ and a sovol 06. If i dont go large ill get sovol 06plus.
I know they have kept true with the upgrade path, however I wish they simplified assembly. The kit is a fair price before you factor in the day of labor required for assembly.
I bought the kit. $800 seems like a good value to me. $1000 is pushing it for the size and the fact it's a bed slinger. I've already printed the parts in purple......although apparently several of them are already obsolete. lol
Prusa is Miles ahead against bambu Lab in Print quality. I had both mk4 and x1c. Multicolor took to long and the Bad quality and now i only have the mk4 and love it. And with mmu3 its faster in multicolor then a bambu Lab 😂😂😂
I do not own a Prusa printer but this appears to be a solid machine and the company support is appealing. But it seems to me that they missed their timing by about 2-3 years. If this printer came along then, it would be a must buy for me. But unfortunately, the bar for what I expect from a printer has gone up in those same 2-3 years so that the MK4 is now barely checking the boxes and for a price that is at least 2x the cost of other printers that boast similar feature sets. I did end up going with the Bambu Lab (haters, don’t hate - I’m not one of those Bambu Lab only guys) for a number of reasons: 1) it’s the same price as the MK4 after taxes, shipping, etc. I think Uncle Jessie set the MK4 at about $1,280 and the X1 is $1,299 plus tax; 2) It prints faster with high quality; 3) Orca Slicer has, for me at least, leveled the slicer playing field between say Cura and Prusaslicer; 4) I get an enclosed printer that prints ABS and Nylons as easily as PLA (that’s not an exaggeration. I print a lot of PETG, ABS, Nylons, PC’s. It just works). So that’s why it ticked my boxes. Again I’m not trying to make a us vs. them statement. This is just my experience. And the “open source: thing doesn’t bother me because I can buy all the X1C parts I want for a fraction of the price of “open source” parts of similar quality. In the end, hats off to Bambu Lab and Prusa for continuing to innovate and provide products that will suit different needs for different people.
@@omegadeepblue1407 I love my X1C. It has given me no trouble. The only print fails were early on and they were my issue rather than the printer’s. The only thing I changed to get better bed adhesion is that is used IPA and fine steel wool on all the bed plates to get better adhesion. I would definitely by the double sided PEI sheet as that’s my favorite.
Jessy just came across this printer is it a good buy im currently looking for my 1st printer been told that the Bambu is awesome can you recomend a print which isnt going to cost the earth dont really wanna go over £1200 thank you.
but is it worth the massive massive price still in 2023. were you could buy a bambu p1p and take your partner out in a car you have Burt aswell for the price of a prusa
The transfer rate from PrusaConnect to the printer is much improved PLUS PrusaConnect has much of the info about the completed print, etc. BTW: I use the ethernet option.
When you setup Wifi and Prusa link, your potentially exposing your printer to the Internet, so a random 15 character password is a good thing. Also shame on your bank for not being as secure, they are protecting your money ;)
I really thought about getting a mk4 but that build size is just too small and using 3d printed parts on a machine of this cost is just a no from me. Went with and X1 with AMS instead
why so expansive? Bambu costs much less. I had my A1 Mini for 140€ with regular discount and A1 heat bed problem discount. I like prusa, but tooo much money
How does the MK4 compare to your Elegoo Neptune printers? I love the reliability and quality of the prusa but the build volume is so restrictive for bigger parts. Having to glue things together afterwards can add so much to post processing that it’s not worth it for the price. Are the Neptunes reliable enough to not be a headache to get the print volume?
I have the XL pre-ordered and am holding tight. I have a FlashForge Creator Pro right now, it works OK, but definitely time for a upgrade. Is there any printer while waiting for the XL that I should consider?
Regarding the api key. Every printer needs their own unique key for connection to Prusa Connect for example. So by having a long key right now future proofs them for when they have a lot of printers. It also protects against people trying to connect to others printers by just entering random keys. So it is security and future proofing. Your bank password is usually combined with a username as well. This api key is a username and password in one.
Mk4 has better print quality imo, but the p1p you can actually get now and is wicked fast and the print quality is almost as good. Maybe not even that noticeable
Belts are terrible, it's why a large portion went bear mod. Machine is expensive when other machines are printing the same quality for lesser without a support. However, I'm still incredibly skeptical of Bambu products and their longevity when it comes to existence and replacement parts, not to mention closed source. Mk4 has good QoL changes but a fake 20 minute benchy was very disappointing. They didn't use the proper settings and it's just false advertising. I think longevity will help Bambu greatly and I'm curious to see what Prusa does going forward as the mk4 is eh but paired with an mmu update might just be the sweet spot.
I have the same situation, i really want to see how reliable is Bambu after some time of use, i plan to have both Prusa and Bambu (one for it's reliability and quality, the other because "is speed" and i see it useful for rapid prototipying) and i had read some issues about Bambu that the company is addresing already (something very good). Maybe i can just stop complaining and pay someone to build me a Rat Rig and a modified Voron.
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I have never found a way to compress a lot of data into a 5 minute clip. Thanks for the nice video.
@@MrGerhardGrobler what’s crazy is all the extra that gets cut and left out 🤣
Yep same here.
Bruh just 10 min extra 😒 but I love it every video I know I am not going to buy it cause I qm broke as a dog but I love seeing your videos
ugh u spent a grand and didnt get free shipping, my neptune 3 pro i got 2 weeks ago, thx btw =) came with free shipping
Glad to see better experience with the replacement machine ! We recently added the MK4 to our print farm and also added it to our Prusa Connect setup . It works amazing , super quiet , faster print times than the MK3S+ the first layer detection is putting out amazing first layers to build on . Definitely a move forward and very excited to get the upgrade kits for the MK3 machines .
This is in line with my experience with prusa machines. Very solid printers and they earned their reputation in the industry. It's just hard to justify the cost when other printers in that price range are very good too.
I guess this is the cost of maintaining mainly European workforce and manufacturing nearly everything "on site" in Czech Republic.
before either camps attack me, I have Prusa machines that are great, I have an X1C that I love. I'm not brand loyal...I'm good 3D printing loyal. With that being said though, I really wished Prusa would have re-evaluated the value proposition with the new generation MK4. I think Prusa makes a very solid machine that even with the Mk4 advancements, feel outdated. while reliable, are extremely over-priced for the feature set. I would love to see prusa innovate to the point where their price feels like they have value or consider pricing decreases to be more competitive. My X1C produces as good prints but with less faults than the MK4 at a fraction of the print time. I'd really love to see the MK5 shake up the industry because I'm routing for Prusa but cant recommend them this generation.
If you buy a Prusa you pay for:
- printer
- prusaslicer
- support
- database (printables)
- open source
- firmware updates
-> please add what I missed
Most reliable 3d printer on the market.
Out of the box printing
It’s very quiet compared to printers of similar speed
reliability
When I searched for products other than those made in China, only PrusaMK4 was left, so I made a reservation.
Thanks for the review, really interesting! It's funny, the one feature I found particullary helpful is the led indicator. It is just great to take a quick look into the workshop: blue - working, green - finished, yellow - out of filament, or red - something broke. It's like the lights on big industry machines. That being said, I came to the same conclusion, it is a great printer, but times have changed, and it is not a default recommendation over the alternative anymore.
Regardless of whether the X1C or the MK4 is better, we should acknowledge that they represent significant advancement for everyone. Ten years ago, 3D printing was only hobby for experts and enthusiasts. However, this has changed thanks to new technologies, and it is now much easier for anyone to become interested in and participate in the world of 3D printing. Personally, I think both Prusa and Bambu are great because they both produce models that I have designed. A larger print area, like the one available on the Prusa XL, would still be welcome addition to my current printer.
yeah exept one of them got made rushed because bambu inovated and prusa got really scared they just now made a bad version of input shaping. Imressive how capitalism makes prusa inovate
Just got the Bambu X1 Carbon. I would choose it 1000x over the MK4. I have been so impressed with the prints and the quality of the printer overall.
Now this was a good choice, not like all noob prusa fanboys
I'm between X1C and a Voron/Rat-Rig, hard choice.
I am also between MK4 and P1S but I am afraid of noisy fans in P1S. How to proceed in deciding ?
@@Carpediem1312 Bambu locks you into their ecosystem, so I'd be wary of buying anything from them. Prusa makes open source printers, software, and firmware. Their printers are easily repairable and plenty of parts are available from both Prusa and third parties. It's really a no-brainer if you ask me.
I’m trying to decide between those two as my first FDM (already into resin.)
I think my biggest gripe with Prusa, at the moment, is they only sell in US$. All other competitors, or semi-competitors, are selling in Canada dollars. The their asking price, is their asking price! So the big deal? US$ to CAN$, it can vary from day-to-day, week-to-week, etc. If I were to purchase the same kit as you did, it costed you $1,284.00 USD. At today's exchange rate (1.37), it would cost me $1,759.08 CAN$. If hesitated and waited until next week, the exchange could be at 1.5, for a cost of $1,926.00 - extreme example, but potentially possible. That's actually 27 bucks more than the Snapmaker A350T 3-in1 with a 320 x 350 x 220 bed. Or, $377 bucks more than a Bambu Lab X1 Carbon.
I own 3 Original Prusa MK3.5s, at the time they were worth the money because nothing compared them. They were the best, or near best, you could get at the time. I can't actually and truly say that any more. Price per value, they have become even more expensive, for what they offer, when compared to the modern market. It does make me sad, I enjoyed my time with my Prusa's; e.g. upgrading 2x 3.0's to 3.5s, etc. At this point, I can't even see me purchasing a MK4 upgrade kit at $579.00 (w/ shipping, taxes, etc.) and then exchange rate. Most certainly... not three! It makes me sad, but my next purchase will probably not be a Prusa! In reality, they're giving me no choice!
My mk2s has been going 6 years and still prints amazing.
Thats what also has me excited about the MK4 is how long it will be supported/updated etc
It might be nice but my Anycubic Vyper with auto bed level, touch screen, 250x250x275 build plate, magnetic build plate and full size sd card prints just as well and i got mine new for under 200 usd.
sounds like another home run for prusa. My biggest caveats are the prices and print volume. When my ender 3 has a bigger build size at a 1/4 the price it's hard to justify. I have a P1P as well and it's an excellent printer at 1/2 the price.
People that talk about the price must not understand that you make back the extra money spent because of the quality of your projects.. I mean that’s the point isn’t it?
I bought a MK4 with the enclosure bundle and have been very happy. Print quality is fantastic and the input shaper firmware has cut print time in half without loss in quality.
Noob
so is input shaper released now>?
At 8:52, BINGO, thank you! This is what I want to hear. I really don't care about tremendous speeds like you get with the Bambu X1. I want to see examples of print quality.. for instance, does it produce vertical lines? Just how good does the final print look compared to other printers? The less post processing I can avoid is a good tradeoff for a machine like the MK4 giving me better quality prints and smother surfaces than the X1. And I wish someone would print either a large cylinder or cube (like a large X Y Z cube) using a color/gloss material that shows print details the best. Thank-you!
this is nice! its really cool. it is very very cool to see that this fantastic printer has some pretty tough competition in Bambu. glad to see how much the printer space has exploded in the last few years. will most likely pick one of these when the next models are unveiled!
Competition is great for all of us that's for sure!
this printer is already far to expensive for what it is able to. and you still have to buy extra stuff like the nozzle to use it the way you want to. there is no possible excuse for the price. the prints look nice but the prints on my printer does that too and i did not even paid half the price. its the apple syndrom just for 3d printers.
I do not even like the look of it - it looks so outdated and cheap ….🤢🤮
I ordered my printer on April 12th based on the shipping information that prusa has provided I should be receiving it in about 2 weeks from now idc how long it takes. I got absolutely fed up with my ender 3 with the constant fiddling and constant issues I went and bought a mk4. After my ender 3 debacle anyone who says “but x printer is cheaper and just as good” I was told that exact same thing when I bought my ender 3 5 years ago and here I am buying a prusa. I have also heard “just upgrade your ender 3 and you’ll get all the features of the prusa” absolutely not. Every time you change something about your printer you’ll need to do more tinkering with it after the fact. I honestly thought about buying a x1c or p1p but I didn’t trust them I didn’t know how well they would be supported 5+ years down the line and on top of all that my files go to their servers that was a no go
being a closed system, your concerns are valid, though their spare parts are quite cheap.
going thru server enables you to start remote print, unless your design is a potential multi million cash maker i dont see why not.
Or, you can enable Lan only mode on the printer and your files wont go thru the server, or u can just have your g-code on sd card
@@thamjunyan6992 cheap parts today does not guarantee availability of parts tomorrow. Any printer is not immune to a total redesign including prusas. But a prusa only really uses a few non printed and not widely available parts like the frame, the y carriage, the power supply, the mainboard and the heatbed. I can pretty much replace the rest on my own or print my replacement parts. Bambu labs have already issued a design revision for the p1p; some x1c parts are not compatible with the p1p. I could use LAN mode but the thought of them even trying something like that just irks me like what else are they doing in their software. Why print it over the cloud at all when the alternatives are open like octoprint and prusalink.
The quality is great but the price is crazy pants.
Good thing we get to vote with our dollars in the market.
I think it’s worth the price
this isnt a password for the machine, its the API key for pursa connect
Prusa's are great printers, just too much for what it is at this point imo. If they dropped this printer by like $400 I'd jump on it in a heartbeat. I'm glad this one is working for you though :D
Yeah the kit option is certainly a bit more affordable but would still love to see those even more affordable
They just dropped this out of nowhere and expected people to want their old features because it's black and orange.
@@UncleJessy Yah I hear ya UJ!
think the price point is due to the fact they're not made in china
@@SteveBennet500 its worth it
I started with a Neptune three got a Saturn 2 8k. Then got a bambu x1c and Neptune max. Got this prusa sold it two weeks later didn’t find the quality the same speed didn’t help and I disliked everything about the interface in the wireless to the point to where I just couldn’t do it. I will write Network code and I saw how bad their network code was and I just couldn’t have it. Thanks as always for the honest review I know a lot of people like this product and are happy with it and I’m happy for them sometimes things just don’t work for one person and that’s how it is. Most people don’t like me that’s OK I’m not the most likable person if I was maybe I’d like this printer more. Anyway can’t wait to see the four of you always happy to see the contact definitely going to look at that subscription for the STL files I think I found something new to do today. Be well Be you
Regarding the belt tension, since I assembled my MK3S+ last year I only need it to re-tension my belts once because a need to move the printer and made some maintenance in the machine, but I don't think that you should need to change the tension of your belts more than 1 in a year maybe. Also, if you want to be perfectionist, you can check your belt tension range with a few clicks.
Yeah, not sure how often they need to be adjusted with these MK machines, but sounds like less than I normally tweak on my other machines
@@UncleJessy Never, unless you carry your printer hanging by the belts...
Thank you Uncle Jessy for being the only reviewer that actually pronounces MK correctly as "mark" and not "em-kay" 🙌🏻😂
I got the kit, took 5 hours to get up, and ran for 800usd.... its totally worth it
It's crazy to me that Prusa doesn't go all out for that price. They have the build quality, make a bigger print volume with all the quality of life improvements that you can get in other printers (for less money) and they could be sitting at the top. It just doesn't make sense that they'd make you give up everything else you can get on other printers just for print quality but still be so expensive.
Then you clearly have never asked their support anything, to know where they go all out.
@FofoPads they go all out on one thing the rest is garbage for the money
They did that on XL. Cartesian printers cannot go much higher volume without sacrificing print quality (although input shaping could help with that in exchange for speed)
Mine’s awesome, touchscreen is now supported, it’s fast & reliable, go get one! The kit’s cheaper too, and fun to build.
Awesome prints ❤. Perhaps in the future I can buy a Prusa and test the benefits of the machine. Thanks for sharing it with all of us 💯🥳
It is a touchscreen, but not enabled yet prusa has stated as much
Having 1 MK3/MK4 in your mix of printers isn't a bad idea. I've got a couple prints that only the mk3 will do reliably.. for some reason the x1c won't print a couple files of mine but the mk3 does it fine.
Are there any other differences in use? How is the reliability and the noise of the Bambu compared with the Prusa MK4?
Awesome video uncle jessy looking forward to your full review. For the full review can you do some head to head prints (with Timelapse) of the MK4 vs the X1C? And maybe a detailed pros and cons comparison of the two? That would be fantastic. Or maybe that should be a separate video now that I think of it lol. Keep up the great videos! I think you’ve become my favorite 3D printing channel. Love your content.
Haha yep! 100% planning on that head to head compare
I think you made a great point about the belt tension areas would be really nice if we could do this type of maintence much quicker with easy access to say the least.
Hey can you pls do a review on the prusa sl1s ! Love your videos and also had questions about how to getthe stacked resin dragon to print
🤞 soon
As hard as I try to find good reasons for preferring it to a P1P or an X1, I really struggle to find a good enough reason and that bothers me a lot!
Prusa printers are open source, along with the firmware and software. This means you aren't locked into a product ecosystem, like with Bambu. Even if Prusa as a company disappears, the firmware and software will likely still be updated and maintained by the community and parts will still be available from third party manufacturers. Supporting a company that builds a quality product and balances profit with positive contributions to the 3d printing community is a great reason for preferring their product over others.
You are supposed to tension your belts once. Easy tensioners are source of issues with careless users that use them like they are tuning a radio station every single print
Strong passwords on printers is pretty important. If your router is set, by accident or otherwise, to expose the port to the Internet, someone could potentially destroy your printer or start a fire.
The 12min benchy with Input shaper Looks awesome. Not so with the x1c in 17min
I had exactly the same problem with the provided USB drive .
Given all of the issues you've mentioned, I would never pay $1300 for it.
I've got my Sovol SV06 Plus for a quarter of that price and it's been an unbelievable machine.
God luck with that clone of an unbelievable machine...
Yep can buy 4 of those for the price of this thing, redic how much these tiny things are. No thanks
Lucky you! You are more clever then all the others … That’s what you want to say!?
@@efficincy no. I'm Scottish. Cheap is in my blood.
@@themisanthrope4646 Please do not buy a printer, then you save all your money…
I guess I'll find out in 18 months whenever they get around to shipping both my XL and MK4 preorders...
The Prusa Link password is so long because it will be connecting over the internet and be remotely accessible. It's not just local. So you need to have a password longer than 12 characters for security. If it was just a 4-5 digit code, every Prusa Link account would be compromised in seconds. Each character added exponentially increases length of time to crack. So 15 characters is a good size to have. Any password/passphrase you use for banking, etc should be over 12 characters. This is why passphrases are better, it's easier for the human brain to remember a sentence, and length is what matters for security, not complexity. Computers running cracks don't care if it's a letter, number, or symbol, a character is a character. Adding symbols just adds to the pool of characters that have to be checked, but as long as the site allows those characters, they'll have to be checked again, but you using them doesn't mean it's more secure. We've been doing password security wrong for so long now. Bad habits and horrible policies just make it worse.
Bought a Prusa MK3 last year, a month later ordered a Bambu. Sold my Prusa within three months of owning it and bought another X1C. I can deal with a slightly worse print quality though I don’t have many issues with my X1C for the stuff I print. What I can’t get back though is time. Prusa just takes too long to print. Even you UJ were dancing around the length of time to print those various files, even scaled to 90%.
How is the costumer service with Bambu? And what about the noise?
I have only just started with 3d printing sadly. I have the x1c and love it. Sold some prints online too.
When i first herd about 3d printing i thought it was something out of my league,i assumed that they would be like 10k+ for a printer and just ignored it.
placed order for thee MK4 with encloser plan on ordering another all while waiting for the XL to come out, input shaping cuts off lots of time may not be the speed of bambu but I will not have thee clean up later or very little of it
I wish they would modify the firmware to do the initial probe in the area the MK3S+ did it's purge line. Who cares if you get a dent there.
I'm looking to buy my first 3d printer. I'm considering either the bamboo p1p or elegoo neptune 4 pro. What one would your recommend? Does one make better quality prints over the other?
I had seen that the Neptune 4 Pro comes with unprotected cables connected at the bed.
I love it when in 2:33 youre comparing decibels on ludacris speed on x1c vs slowly paced Prusa :D No bias there for sure! /s
The print times are all available from the prusa connect webui.
For anyone who already has a Prusa MK3s or later, the MK4 is $699 I believe via the upgrade kit… I’m personally more interested in the XL. I find the rod & mitsumi bearing solution to be too noisey & create far too much slop & vibration. So the MK4 won’t be for me. Even though it looks like they have increased the diameter of the rods used, ’ll retire the MK3 once the current set of rods are worn out & call it a day. The Prusa XL with linear railing has caught my attention.
For $1200 it needs a bigger build plate. Sorry, but its a easy pass because of the size.
For sure. I was surprised when he said ≈250...
And be enclosed
And core xy
And bambu labed
@@NorajPrintajbut china and proprietary only
If that password is more complicated than your banking account password, then we need to have a serious conversation lol. Please tell me you at least use a password manager. On a more serious note, as a current owner of the Prusa Mk3S+, which I love, the Mk4 has kinda left me a little underwhelmed for all the reasons you mentioned.
I have one of these myself and I agree 100% with your review
Worth more than a bambu lab thats for sure, prints just as fast but with unmatched reliability and customer service.
Prusa makes the best horse and buggy.
It's odd that it doesn't show the total print time, as that is on the MK3 models. Seems like they got rid of some of the data the older model provides.
If you want to know how long something takes to print though, just use Prusa Slicer. The ETA times are about 99% accurate.
It's also funny to see features you are loving, which Prusa users are "Wait, other printers don't have these features? They are just logical things every printer should do."
Prusa makes a bigger printer for people who want a bigger print volume. This is the smaller model. Just like other manufacturers, you want bigger, pay up.
hahaha oh man yeah, I'm wishing all of my other machines worked liked this with the insert card, auto load the last saved file, or the filament loading
awesome!! thanks for doing gods work !
Any updates on the Elegoo Neptune 4 ?
Seriously 👍🏻 I do not think many people care about Prusa . I certainly do not .
I have a MK4 and the touchscreen can be turned on via a toggle switch in the system menu
If the files read cleanly from the old USB drive to a new one - then it doesn't sound like a corruption problem, as the corruption would be copied over. Printers are pretty time sensitive, and if they can't get information from the drive fast enough, that can lead to problems. So I think it's actually a problem with the speed or latency of the drive (or with the file system the drive uses).
idk for the money i think it falls pretty short in todays market. Looking for a 3rd priter. have an mk3s+ and a sovol 06. If i dont go large ill get sovol 06plus.
I know they have kept true with the upgrade path, however I wish they simplified assembly. The kit is a fair price before you factor in the day of labor required for assembly.
I figured for me that would easily be 2 days of building.
I am waiting for the XL for 1284 I think we should get a bigger print bed.
I bought the kit. $800 seems like a good value to me. $1000 is pushing it for the size and the fact it's a bed slinger. I've already printed the parts in purple......although apparently several of them are already obsolete. lol
You have certainly something loose up there
It's honestly insane how many people have 3D printers just to make useless knick knacks. They are great for prototyping though when they work
I love Prusa printers they are amazing.
Based on what's here, Sovol SV06 + one of the klipper tablets, or SV07 just kills this before arrival. At this price point, there is no justification.
I'll stick with my mk3s for now. Waiting on my XL 5 tool. You know, eventually.
Prusa is Miles ahead against bambu Lab in Print quality. I had both mk4 and x1c. Multicolor took to long and the Bad quality and now i only have the mk4 and love it. And with mmu3 its faster in multicolor then a bambu Lab 😂😂😂
I think your banking account password needs to be more complex 😂
I agree. A slightly large build volume only makes sense as the mini is slightly smaller than the MK3. Any thoughts on XL?
I do not own a Prusa printer but this appears to be a solid machine and the company support is appealing. But it seems to me that they missed their timing by about 2-3 years. If this printer came along then, it would be a must buy for me. But unfortunately, the bar for what I expect from a printer has gone up in those same 2-3 years so that the MK4 is now barely checking the boxes and for a price that is at least 2x the cost of other printers that boast similar feature sets. I did end up going with the Bambu Lab (haters, don’t hate - I’m not one of those Bambu Lab only guys) for a number of reasons: 1) it’s the same price as the MK4 after taxes, shipping, etc. I think Uncle Jessie set the MK4 at about $1,280 and the X1 is $1,299 plus tax; 2) It prints faster with high quality; 3) Orca Slicer has, for me at least, leveled the slicer playing field between say Cura and Prusaslicer; 4) I get an enclosed printer that prints ABS and Nylons as easily as PLA (that’s not an exaggeration. I print a lot of PETG, ABS, Nylons, PC’s. It just works). So that’s why it ticked my boxes. Again I’m not trying to make a us vs. them statement. This is just my experience. And the “open source: thing doesn’t bother me because I can buy all the X1C parts I want for a fraction of the price of “open source” parts of similar quality. In the end, hats off to Bambu Lab and Prusa for continuing to innovate and provide products that will suit different needs for different people.
Hi, i'm planning to buy a X1C, how has been this printer, you didn't have any issue with it?
@@omegadeepblue1407 I love my X1C. It has given me no trouble. The only print fails were early on and they were my issue rather than the printer’s. The only thing I changed to get better bed adhesion is that is used IPA and fine steel wool on all the bed plates to get better adhesion. I would definitely by the double sided PEI sheet as that’s my favorite.
@@genegreiner7766 Great, great, thanks for your answer. I will consider the bed too.
Jessy just came across this printer is it a good buy im currently looking for my 1st printer been told that the Bambu is awesome can you recomend a print which isnt going to cost the earth dont really wanna go over £1200 thank you.
Yo is that CookieCad's Mermaid filament? Love that stuff.
Its amazing! The Cyber Lama is in their new Witchcraft PLA as well
but is it worth the massive massive price still in 2023.
were you could buy a bambu p1p and take your partner out in a car you have Burt aswell
for the price of a prusa
Hi, super video. Can you make a video where you compared the mini to the mk4?
Oh wow. My mk4 for sure prints better than my mini. Maybe I need to try and tune my mini
Am I right in thinking that Prusa slicer looks at your design and then configures the print settings for you?
I wonder if you can extend the build space if you get bigger rails for it?
The transfer rate from PrusaConnect to the printer is much improved PLUS PrusaConnect has much of the info about the completed print, etc.
BTW: I use the ethernet option.
When you setup Wifi and Prusa link, your potentially exposing your printer to the Internet, so a random 15 character password is a good thing. Also shame on your bank for not being as secure, they are protecting your money ;)
You all have money in your bank account 🙃🤘
If you want bigger, build, volume by the xl
for that price and everything...would it not be more worth it to pick up a neptune 3 max?
You can actually get 2 neptunes
Dooley Crossroad
Great review, as always! Do you plan on reviwing the Creality K1 in the future?
I really thought about getting a mk4 but that build size is just too small and using 3d printed parts on a machine of this cost is just a no from me. Went with and X1 with AMS instead
Koelpin River
why so expansive? Bambu costs much less.
I had my A1 Mini for 140€ with regular discount and A1 heat bed problem discount. I like prusa, but tooo much money
How does the MK4 compare to your Elegoo Neptune printers? I love the reliability and quality of the prusa but the build volume is so restrictive for bigger parts. Having to glue things together afterwards can add so much to post processing that it’s not worth it for the price. Are the Neptunes reliable enough to not be a headache to get the print volume?
that filament.........is so beautiful!!!! (cookiecad unicorn right?)
I have the XL pre-ordered and am holding tight. I have a FlashForge Creator Pro right now, it works OK, but definitely time for a upgrade. Is there any printer while waiting for the XL that I should consider?
Buy a Bambu. It is miles & miles above (the mk4), especially for a lower price. Had one for 8 months and I cannot say enough good.
@@ChasenWolf which bambu do you have?
Regarding the api key. Every printer needs their own unique key for connection to Prusa Connect for example. So by having a long key right now future proofs them for when they have a lot of printers.
It also protects against people trying to connect to others printers by just entering random keys.
So it is security and future proofing.
Your bank password is usually combined with a username as well. This api key is a username and password in one.
@unclejessy prusa mk4 kit or bamboo P1P for better print quality of prints?
Mk4 has better print quality imo, but the p1p you can actually get now and is wicked fast and the print quality is almost as good. Maybe not even that noticeable
Belts are terrible, it's why a large portion went bear mod. Machine is expensive when other machines are printing the same quality for lesser without a support. However, I'm still incredibly skeptical of Bambu products and their longevity when it comes to existence and replacement parts, not to mention closed source. Mk4 has good QoL changes but a fake 20 minute benchy was very disappointing. They didn't use the proper settings and it's just false advertising. I think longevity will help Bambu greatly and I'm curious to see what Prusa does going forward as the mk4 is eh but paired with an mmu update might just be the sweet spot.
I have the same situation, i really want to see how reliable is Bambu after some time of use, i plan to have both Prusa and Bambu (one for it's reliability and quality, the other because "is speed" and i see it useful for rapid prototipying) and i had read some issues about Bambu that the company is addresing already (something very good). Maybe i can just stop complaining and pay someone to build me a Rat Rig and a modified Voron.
The title 😬😬😬
ordered kit 4/17.. dunno when it will be here.
Hopefully soon… ish
@@UncleJessy Me too dude, thanks for the video!
Im i seeing this right? In europe mk4 costs about 1500 €
Es gibt schon eine Montage Anleitung für den Mk4 auf der PRUSA Seite
The wireless transfer from my ankermake is so much faster
M5 is a solid machine. Loud as hell haha but prints great and yea, the transfer is a lot faster + mobile app
A 12minute benchie looks way better than mine ~2h-ish ender 3v2 benchie :C
Fredy Field