So for the theory of Kreig being Tina’s dad, I swear nobody brings this up. During the Moxxi headhunter, she asks the character you’re playing as if they have a “mr or mrs vault Hunter in their life.” Krieg says something along the lines of “The tiny one and the sad face mother. Together forever and ever.” That’s where I thought this theory popped up from but every time that Kreig and Tina is mentioned, that is never brought up.
Also there's in game audio logs somewhere that I remember hearing that Tina's parents were psychos that got experimented on and we believe Krieg was also experimented on in the same facility which is another point
I like to imagine that Zer0 is just a completely normal human except that theyre a fucking freak and decided to make their gloves 4 fingered for the hell of it
Personally I believe that Zer0 was a Yakuza that failed a mission hence the missing fingers and keeping his identity secret. Speaking in haiku is another clue and level of disguise.
I remember a head-skin for zero in BL2 where his mask was busted and underneath was just an eyeball on a circuit wire. If it's ACTUALLY the inside of his helmet then I think he's just a rouge robot maybe. Like flak just instead of being an environmentalist animal lover, he became a human exterminator
Krieg being Tina's father somewhat makes sense because Tina's parents were sold out and slag experimented on just like Krieg was and Krieg has a few voice lines that mention a girl and as we know from DLC4 in BL3 he had a wife and daughter. All very circumstantial of course but still cool to speculate
Dats what i,m saying it make lot of sens en i would love to see krieg in borderlands 4 en find out what happened to his daughter en finds out what happened to maya
Yeah these theories’ presentations seemed pretty biased lol. He spent most the video talking about the jack theory and opened with saying it had some very solid evidence even though it had contractions aswell. The krieg theory has just as much evidence and just as much contradiction
Don't the echo recorders progress and have her and her parents being normal, then dad yelling for her to run away and then going psycho? Does seem odd that wasn't even mentioned.
Krieg was also saved from the experiments by a doctor that only has one other mention in the franchise and its the one that is on the audio logs of Tinas parents. true or not the devs obviously like the theory and have added more and more to fuel the theory even including an upscaled version of Tina as a stand in for Krieg's wife in the fustercluck dlc
Absolutely hate to disagree, but if you're saying that Tannis was a siren in BL1 and 2 she wasn't. She recieved Angel's powers, so she wasn't a siren beforehand.
Regarding Zer0. In borderlands 3, Fl4k will say "there's something familiar about that one" when first seeing/meeting Zer0. Suggesting Zer0 is also a robot/cyborg like Fl4k. This is also referenced by use of digits in their names.
"there is so much evidence" *proceeds to list things that are not evidence and have nothing to do with Timothee or Jack* seriously. Jack was a narcissist and viewed himself as a hero. Someone like him wouldn't care if he saw himself die, he'd see himself as so powerful and that nobody could stop him, he'd march headfirst into that just to prove it wrong.
BL3's Director's Cut quest mentions Sirens are acausal, their decisions can alter a predicted future. IMO Jack _did_ see himself win in the future, but Angel choosing to betray him changed the future.
honestly the thing about the handsome jack is still alive is bat shit crazy cause Timothy is obviously alive in The Handsome Jackpot in BL3. i mean its confirmed through ECHO's in the DLC that timothy is the doppelganger from BLPS so really do not think that that theory holds up HOWEVER since the crystal thing in new tales existing what if the crystal brings back all the previous villians INCLUDING Handsome Jack but instead of them trying to kill the crimson raiders again, what if they ally against some greater threat, putting aside the past to fight this larger menace. thats the ONLY way i see handsome jack coming back in BL4.
I think it’s crazy how people get the knowledge that there were multiple jack Doppler gangers and they still roll with Timothy being the sacrifice for the theory
Handsome Jack is a time traveler. Hear me out. tps takes place after bl1 and at the end of tps Jack gets a vision with supposedly massive amounts of info. So then let me ask you this, how did Jack know to use Angel to trick the bl1 vault hunters into opening the vault and revealing all of the eridium? How would he even know that the opening of the vault would trigger the eridium to come out of the ground? Simple, his vision told him to and potentially how to time travel so that he could trick the vault hunters into opening the vault. Case closed Handsome Jack is a time traveler.
The shreddifier from bone head is crazy cause I bought a guide book for borderlands 2 and it said so in the book that bone head drops it. I've spent a solid amount of time trying to get it
Well, the one head made Salvador look like Solomon Grundy. Solomon Grundy is technically supposed to be an undead monster. Could be something to it. Theory: The face we see for Salvador is a mask. The Grundy face is his real face.
I will only accept Jack coming back if it’s Timothy. We’ve seen that jack’s dna interferes with Timothy’s personality sometimes and makes him a little more like Jack
@EpicNNG it wouldn't even need to be "slow"..... all we need is Tannis to fully go nuts! She's got a small line of dialog in DLC4 where she says something along the lines of "I've got hundreds of peoples conscious downloaded to flash drives in my lab"..... who's to say that one of them isn't Jack.
@@captainspaulding5963 i don’t know. The only person who has jacks consciousness was professor Nakayama and I don’t think Rhys told anyone (especially tannis) about the drive.
I'm fairly certain Zer0 is a robot. When you meet Zer0 as Fl4k in BL3, Fl4k says something along the lines of "There's something familiar about this one". I forgot where Fl4k comes from canonically, but he is definitely a robot... I feel like they were both built by the same person/group of people.
I thought fl4k was the loader bot from tales from the borderlands because it would make sense if zero was familiar to fl4k since they both met in tales
@@monkehman4323if I'm not mistaken somewhere in bl3 flaks description say he was built but a man who owned a tower (of books and research if I'm not mistaken) and flak was his assistant but he died one day and flak gained a form of sentience and made his way out. (I think it was the multiverse skin, might be wrong)
My guess is Maliwan saw how effective the Lance assassin's were and started their own program training kids into assassins and giving them their own weapons and suits and Zer0 was one of them but he got free. Katagawa Jr is able to imitate Zer0 and his equipment so accurately in 3 and Zer0 returns to help Atlas fight Maliwan so Zer0 is a former Maliwan assassin probably doesn't have much memory of before he became one and broke free to do his own thing and saw the opportunity to get back at the Katagawa family in 3 so he helps you fight them
I think Handsome Jack could come back if they found his profile in the new you system. I think that this could even be a way to bring him back as he was before the pre sequel as a good guy.
my theory about zero is that hes propably an eridian and has a female creator (its there in his voice line in bl3) which means thats probably some person that taught him how to speak like a human(almost), made his costume, gave him a katana. So it could be a Tannis project. After all she has gone crazy after years spent on pandora and shes a scientist
ive heard a theory that suggests that the "war" is something about the guardians. the guardians are sentient creatures whos entire purpose is to protect the vaults, and since we pillaged most if not all of the vaults, they now dont have a purpose and are probably going to be very mad.
cool idea but seems weird since the whole point of the vaults was to lock the destroyer away until stronger people came along able to beat it. I mean they literally made a key specifically for opening the vaults... seems flawed if they never intended for it to be opened. If anything they should be programmed with some kind of understanding of dead destroyer = goal achieved
just throwing an idea out here, timothy might just be jacks scapegoat if he dies, we know through borderlands 3 you can virtually upload your mind, and timothy has jack's DNA, jack might come back through possibly taking over timothy somehow? just seemed like a small idea
I love zer0 as a character in Borderlands 2. They made him slightly more lame in 3, but I hope they keep his mystery and coolness in the following games.
Conspiracy theories that are common but you did not cover: 1. Rhys is a siren due to his tattoos (mostly discredited now but it's a popular AU) 2. Troy (or Tyreen, but usually Troy) is transgender because conjoined twins are always the same sex 3. Gythian isn't fully dead, it lives on in Wainwright 4. The Ruiner was **not** made by Jakobs, it's a Vault Monster egg that was excavated 5. The War of the Watcher will involve the Eridians themselves returning 6. Angel's mother was a Jakobs 7. Fl4k was AFAB (AFAC?) 8. Izzy from TTWL and Mancubus Bloodtooth are connected 9. Phaseleech is the Seventh Siren 10. Lilith made some kind of deal with the Eridians/Guardians in order to get the ship that would become Sanctuary 3
Izzy and Mancubus share a last name, so that one isn't a theory.... pretty much every character that shares last names (Zane, the Traunts) are related. So either they are family, or Tina somehow met Mancubus and included a nod to him in her BnB campaign.
The only way I can see enjoying jack in BL4 is if he is a backstaby ally, like we NEED him to do something even if we do not, I can see him loving the attention
I think one of my favorite theories is that General Zarpadon knew that Elpis was the key to The Great Vault. If you remember upon meeting her for the first time she said "I'm going to blow up the moon and save the universe"
I like the Jack theory but loses grounding when considering tps and handsome jackpot. The echoes in Jack’s office retell Timothy’s encounter with Moxxi, being how she met Jack. While not told as to how the relationship went, she most likely realized the differences in personalities. When Zarpedon is defeated and the eye of helios is secured, Moxxi immediately seizes the opportunity to kill Jack; where as Timothy, the person she initially encountered, is given a second chance now that he doesn’t work for Jack and can’t dupe her again. Idk, but Jack is definitely returning if New Tales is canon 😁
I thought we fought Timothy in Hyperion in borderlands 2 when there was a jack boss fight there. I could be miss remembering. Also Jack could come back Through Reece from Tales of the borderlands.
best video ive seen in 4 years but i seen ur other video aboout jake at the end of two when u kill bim he has a green eye and a blue but in the prequel he had the same color eyes when they show him disfigured both eyes are fine hes just burnt u ever catch that
I will never give up on this, I do still believe krieg is Tina's dad. gearbox won't accept it, but it's so clear, all you need is the headhunter (I believe) where they send assasins after the VHs, when they ask them "what is your biggest regret" krieg says "leaving the tiny one" why did the writers make him "TINY" if they didn't mean Tina? they could've used something like "the kid" or something like that! I'll never give up on this theory
Handsome jack returning as the "main villain" in Borderlands 4 and then we defeat him somehow or someway and then it reveals he was just a pawn created by whatever the War is gonna be and who's going to initiate the War and then it turns out everything we've come across is nothing compared to this War and even the Destroyer turns out to have been running away or some shit trying to get more powerful to defeat this War. Long stretch but could be interesting
Randy Pitchford said Jack's gone on the reveal of Bl3 (Pax East 2019 Panel). Also they did Dlc about Timothy so Jack Theory is not correct. Tannis ''could'' be a siren when Steele died. Maybe she got her powers from Steele before Angel's death. But this a long shot theory kinda absurd. The war guardian watcher was referring to most likely events on BL3. In Bl1-Bl2 and Bltps we were NOT facing apocalypse like events but unlike these three Bl3 based on release of The Destroyer and most powerful siren leeching it. Guardian saved athena because good side of the universe needs all the help it can get including ex vault hunters of course. Still there is a chance that The Destroyer will break from its prison/pandora so it will be battle of the battles like situation that guardian watcher can refer to. I give 0 change that Krieg is father of Tiny Tina. Why you may ask?? Simple. Even with his sane-insane duality form Krieg still remember Maya and misses her. We can understand that Krieg's memory is not total lost he remember every single detail about Maya and fellow Crimson Raiders. If Tina were his daughter he will be close to her right form the start. It makes no sense because all of borderlands universe, across the 6 galaxies filled with bandits and psychos Krieg is the mere example of this. Also even Marcus and Zed kinda like psychos in this universe. Tina acting like a bandit-psycho doesn't mean she has connection with Krieg. In this kind of lore you need some lunatic to be on the good side so things get interested. It's a common marketing deal. Every game has lunatic guy on their own. Think about Gta 5 Trevor same thing happens here. Crazy-desperate or some maniac has nothing to lose being a savior makes the character more intriguing so players can make deep bonds with him/her. Zero on the other hand I'm not quite sure that he is a eridian. His body shape/figure is just like any human nowhere near seraph guardians, eridians. He has not eridian like voice he is more like a Fl4k. Maybe he is robocop kinda guy who knows lost his voice, legs and he needs robotics to survive. Lastly Bl4 will focus on finding Lilith and another corporate wars. We still yet to see Vladof in the series there is a good chance they will be main corporate in the upcoming title. I don't think they will continue The Destroyer and Pandora storyline again because it will be boring as hell and fan base will hate for it. Bl3 story was pretty decent for me at least but main villains were soooo bad they game labeled as ''death of borderlands series'' just for Tyreen and Troy being tik tok like dumbass villains. They won't be doing same mistake again. This game will introduce newly developed characters and side story like another Destroyer stylish demon comes from void and threatens all life but no eridians left so its up to vault hunters to stop it. That would be cool actually.
I strongly oppose the idea of resurrecting Handsome Jack. His narrative has concluded, and it's time for a fresh antagonist to emerge, one with a compelling storyline and memorable moments.
I don’t trust the Promethea as proof for Jack because of TALES. There’s an option to keep Jack as Rhys. My guess is that the plan was meant to say that Jack took over Rhys and then took over his body. That Jack AI chip is either in Rhys possession or left in a junk pile just waiting to be found. That’d be better than Timothy
You know, I feel like in my entire time in the Borderlands community, I'm the only person I know of who does not give a fuck about what Zer0 looks like under his mask. I really can't say I've ever cared what or who he is. He's just another character.
*sigh* here we go again with krieg and Tina. Now gearbox is not great with lore continuity, but there is plenty of strong evidence and even more so proved in bl3 dlc. In the fustercluck dlc at the very end you see a vision of past krieg walking away with a woman and a little girl who has bunny ears. That’s what really got me, but until we get more Tina lore to piece it together I think it’s more than a theory
Honestly, it would make a lot more sense if the Digi-Jack that Nakayama made was still living inside Rhys and thats how he brought atlas back, and that's how Jack technically didn't survive the events of bl2 but was still planned to come back on Promethea
Jack is an amazing character but i feel like itd be too much of a low hanging fruit to bring him back. Id love it if they crafted another villain as great as him for bl4 and be more creative
The reason why there's jack statues in the bts was because the choice to keep the jack ai from tales from the borderlands was gonna be cannon and he would have some how got loose but for some reason they got rid of that plan and instead we the garbage story and villians we got now
In bl2 right before you enter the bunker map jack says he found Tannis to take the vault key and tortured her. If she was a siren this whole time how didn't he notice when he captured her. idk the whole her being a siren seems like a bl3 only plot line.
Honestly i feel Zer0 is not a alien and not quite a Robot AI but a Cyborg of some kind. I mean it explains the 4 fingers and his tech and appearance. maybe he like lost his hands some how in a fight and got augments (possibly from Atlas) that had 4 fingers. also saying we see Katagawa Junior copy Zer0's tech I doubt Zer0 is a Robot cause that if Zer0 was a robot cause if he was the tech would be part of him and uncopiable.
Quick change stations can replace limbs with whatever at anytime. That’s why Wilhelm can switch out his cyber arm whenever he respecs, also Rhys swapped out his arm when he was impersonating Vasquez. New-U and Quick Change digistruct technology is super overpowered and we never talk about it
I mean a human could use some kind of exo-suit to mimic a robot. Borderlands tech is... varied. to say the least and can pretty much do anything. So even if zero WAS a robot, he could still augment himself to copy zero but I'd prefer if zero wasn't a robot.
My theory is less a theory and more a necessity. New tales from the borderlands is actually just a in universe movie and nothing that happened in it has any relation to cannon in any way and the main characters aren't even real!
I personally think the war the watcher talked about was NOT bl3. I think it be an endgame type thing where all the vault hunters will band together to stop a universe size threat.
yeah because they say "we'll need everyone" but half the characters don't really do much and they add a whole lot more anyway. So I doubt that's the specific thing they're referring to. But also what else could they mean other than the destroyer being freed and the "war against cov" being a siren war
An issue I’ve had with borderlands3 handsome jackpot… who did you kill in opportunity to get jacks bio scan and voice?? After presequal I assumed that you kill timothy to disguise as Jack but apparently that was someone completely different
I believe zero is most likely human. Since in borderlands 3 Yakima ray makes the same suit and sword that zero has however it’s never explained how he got the plans to copy zero’s suit. It even has the same hologram power like zero has. So my guess is zero is most likely human but who he is or what he was before might get revealed in bl4.
I think that zero is a hybrid between eridian and human because he has human features and eridian also theres other stuff but im too lazy to write it all.
I really hope Jack doesn't come back. The theory you've subscribed to doesn't make much sense. I would be willing to entertain the idea that Jack's dna causes Timothy to turn into Jack kinda like the Joker in Arkham Knight. But even then I'd be against the idea.
Can someone please make a mod for bl1 or 2 where u can have 3 ai companions that play as the other vault hunters and follow you around? I feel like it would be so wholesome to actually be able to go on a full 4 person adventure like happens "canonically" when u dont have 4 friends on the same console that would play through a whole game with u
In BL2, on the Son of Crawmerax DLC, if you killed 5 special colored craboid enemies within a certain amount of time (I think it's about 10 minutes), Lilith's comment about a "beach episode" comes true and (at the secluded section of the beach, past Crazy Earl) you're greeted with Lilith and Moxxi playing volleyball (sporting bikinis), while Brick builds a sandcastle on top of Tina, while Mordecai soaks up the sun in a beach chair.
theory for jack i just made: i do actually agree with the current theory of jack actually being the timothy we saw in bl3. but if it is actually timothy there could still be a chance jack can come back. Its proven that jack had thought backups for the chance he did die in order to (sort of) come back. in TFTB he tried to use a body he made for that specific reason and needed rhys' body (or his meat since it would replace his skeleton). My theory is he could have made it so whenever he wants, his mind can take over timothys and go back to his shenanigans
@@EpicNNG well one of the eridian writings in BL3 says that the eridians sacrificed their entire race to close the destroyers vault, but there is a very small chance that some eridians went rogue, and the watcher could be one of those rogue eridians.
Why do you pronounce "voyage" in "Claptastic Voyage" as "voy-ahhhj"? I notice a lot of the Borderlands content creators seem to pronounce the word in this manner and I have never heard anyone else pronounce "voyage" in this specific way before. Legitimately curious if there is some lore reason or something.
@@josephgood6531 Unless you're speaking French, that's just not the pronunciation of the word. I've never heard anyone other than Borderlands content creators pronounce the word in English this way - and there are more than a few who pronounce it this way, not just Epic. "Practicable" 😂
Bl3 has left me thinking all sorts of things. I definitely think the 7th siren is just all sirens leeched into one super siren but then i cants explain why nyriad says you should never find the 7th. But then goes ahead and hides herself away until typhon finds her. And jack is 100% alive or will be back my theory overall is jack returns and is controlling the leech siren i jus dont no what exactly he is planning.
Wow all these theories about so many cool but none about o idk the massive skeletons the are all over pandora and have shown up at eden 6. Look I know they are just alien/dinosaur skeletons but come on they had to be SOMETHING at one point. Am I the only one that cares about them?
Zer0 is NOT an alien/robot. he is a human. how do i know this? aliens wouldn't know what a haiku is. they also wouldn't be proficient in human weaponry. For those who are like "HE HAS 4 FINGERS THOUGH", let me remind you that Katagawa jr. (the new head of Maliwan) also has 4 fingers, and wears a suit identical to Zer0's. maliwan is a company with japanese/asian styling behind them. this leads me to believe that Zer0 is ACTUALLY a long-lost/disowned member/relative of the Katagawa family.
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So for the theory of Kreig being Tina’s dad, I swear nobody brings this up. During the Moxxi headhunter, she asks the character you’re playing as if they have a “mr or mrs vault Hunter in their life.” Krieg says something along the lines of “The tiny one and the sad face mother. Together forever and ever.” That’s where I thought this theory popped up from but every time that Kreig and Tina is mentioned, that is never brought up.
Also there's in game audio logs somewhere that I remember hearing that Tina's parents were psychos that got experimented on and we believe Krieg was also experimented on in the same facility which is another point
This, the theory goes much deeper than "they both act crazy and Tina has a psycho mask". If it was just that it wouldn't be as popular as it is.
I like to imagine that Zer0 is just a completely normal human except that theyre a fucking freak and decided to make their gloves 4 fingered for the hell of it
LMFAO
Personally I believe that Zer0 was a Yakuza that failed a mission hence the missing fingers and keeping his identity secret. Speaking in haiku is another clue and level of disguise.
Ever since BL3 I'm convinced Zero is a rouge Maliwan A.I. Possibly a gaming or archive bot.
Hes a guardian is what I believe
I remember a head-skin for zero in BL2 where his mask was busted and underneath was just an eyeball on a circuit wire. If it's ACTUALLY the inside of his helmet then I think he's just a rouge robot maybe. Like flak just instead of being an environmentalist animal lover, he became a human exterminator
Krieg being Tina's father somewhat makes sense because Tina's parents were sold out and slag experimented on just like Krieg was and Krieg has a few voice lines that mention a girl and as we know from DLC4 in BL3 he had a wife and daughter. All very circumstantial of course but still cool to speculate
Dats what i,m saying it make lot of sens en i would love to see krieg in borderlands 4 en find out what happened to his daughter en finds out what happened to maya
Yeah these theories’ presentations seemed pretty biased lol. He spent most the video talking about the jack theory and opened with saying it had some very solid evidence even though it had contractions aswell. The krieg theory has just as much evidence and just as much contradiction
Don't the echo recorders progress and have her and her parents being normal, then dad yelling for her to run away and then going psycho? Does seem odd that wasn't even mentioned.
Yeah I find it weird that the echo recorders weren’t even mentioned but oh well
Krieg was also saved from the experiments by a doctor that only has one other mention in the franchise and its the one that is on the audio logs of Tinas parents. true or not the devs obviously like the theory and have added more and more to fuel the theory even including an upscaled version of Tina as a stand in for Krieg's wife in the fustercluck dlc
Absolutely hate to disagree, but if you're saying that Tannis was a siren in BL1 and 2 she wasn't. She recieved Angel's powers, so she wasn't a siren beforehand.
That is a very good point and you are totally correct
This is my headcannon too
@@elishuster5943 It's not even headcanon it's straight up canon
Well he said at that time so obviously implying before all that
my favorite borderlands conspiracy theory is epic doesn't do drama.
when will we ever crack the case on this unsolvable mystery
Regarding Zer0. In borderlands 3, Fl4k will say "there's something familiar about that one" when first seeing/meeting Zer0. Suggesting Zer0 is also a robot/cyborg like Fl4k. This is also referenced by use of digits in their names.
"there is so much evidence" *proceeds to list things that are not evidence and have nothing to do with Timothee or Jack* seriously. Jack was a narcissist and viewed himself as a hero. Someone like him wouldn't care if he saw himself die, he'd see himself as so powerful and that nobody could stop him, he'd march headfirst into that just to prove it wrong.
BL3's Director's Cut quest mentions Sirens are acausal, their decisions can alter a predicted future. IMO Jack _did_ see himself win in the future, but Angel choosing to betray him changed the future.
@@darthvaderreviews6926 I like this theory
honestly the thing about the handsome jack is still alive is bat shit crazy cause Timothy is obviously alive in The Handsome Jackpot in BL3. i mean its confirmed through ECHO's in the DLC that timothy is the doppelganger from BLPS so really do not think that that theory holds up HOWEVER since the crystal thing in new tales existing what if the crystal brings back all the previous villians INCLUDING Handsome Jack but instead of them trying to kill the crimson raiders again, what if they ally against some greater threat, putting aside the past to fight this larger menace. thats the ONLY way i see handsome jack coming back in BL4.
I’m so glad someone pointed that I out the jack never died theory died long ago.
The crystal thing in New Tales has limits. You can only be dead for a certain amount of time before it can no longer bring you back
I think it’s crazy how people get the knowledge that there were multiple jack Doppler gangers and they still roll with Timothy being the sacrifice for the theory
Handsome Jack is a time traveler. Hear me out. tps takes place after bl1 and at the end of tps Jack gets a vision with supposedly massive amounts of info. So then let me ask you this, how did Jack know to use Angel to trick the bl1 vault hunters into opening the vault and revealing all of the eridium? How would he even know that the opening of the vault would trigger the eridium to come out of the ground? Simple, his vision told him to and potentially how to time travel so that he could trick the vault hunters into opening the vault. Case closed Handsome Jack is a time traveler.
visions of the future =/= to time traveller.
he'd just be a prophet/seer/oracle etc.
Don’t forget Jack was trying to use the first vault for its power hence why he took the eye to create a weapon
The shreddifier from bone head is crazy cause I bought a guide book for borderlands 2 and it said so in the book that bone head drops it. I've spent a solid amount of time trying to get it
from time stamp of 1:55 to 2:05 salvador is using a using a midair dash (NOT ROCKET JUMPING) How is he doing that???
Its a mod @x_Knyght_x
i can confirm, i have the bradygames guide and it says the swift shredifier drops from bonehead 2.0
I'm sure Salvador is not a human being, because nobody could wield so much power
and you know, he's really short
One word: steroids
Well, the one head made Salvador look like Solomon Grundy. Solomon Grundy is technically supposed to be an undead monster. Could be something to it.
Theory: The face we see for Salvador is a mask. The Grundy face is his real face.
A fantasy Dwarf... but in sci fi apoc universe
I will only accept Jack coming back if it’s Timothy. We’ve seen that jack’s dna interferes with Timothy’s personality sometimes and makes him a little more like Jack
100%, I'd love to see him slowly turn into Jack. That'd be such a sick twist.
@EpicNNG it wouldn't even need to be "slow"..... all we need is Tannis to fully go nuts! She's got a small line of dialog in DLC4 where she says something along the lines of "I've got hundreds of peoples conscious downloaded to flash drives in my lab"..... who's to say that one of them isn't Jack.
@@captainspaulding5963 i don’t know. The only person who has jacks consciousness was professor Nakayama and I don’t think Rhys told anyone (especially tannis) about the drive.
I'm fairly certain Zer0 is a robot. When you meet Zer0 as Fl4k in BL3, Fl4k says something along the lines of "There's something familiar about this one". I forgot where Fl4k comes from canonically, but he is definitely a robot... I feel like they were both built by the same person/group of people.
I thought fl4k was the loader bot from tales from the borderlands because it would make sense if zero was familiar to fl4k since they both met in tales
@@monkehman4323if I'm not mistaken somewhere in bl3 flaks description say he was built but a man who owned a tower (of books and research if I'm not mistaken) and flak was his assistant but he died one day and flak gained a form of sentience and made his way out. (I think it was the multiverse skin, might be wrong)
My guess is Maliwan saw how effective the Lance assassin's were and started their own program training kids into assassins and giving them their own weapons and suits and Zer0 was one of them but he got free. Katagawa Jr is able to imitate Zer0 and his equipment so accurately in 3 and Zer0 returns to help Atlas fight Maliwan so Zer0 is a former Maliwan assassin probably doesn't have much memory of before he became one and broke free to do his own thing and saw the opportunity to get back at the Katagawa family in 3 so he helps you fight them
I think Handsome Jack could come back if they found his profile in the new you system.
I think that this could even be a way to bring him back as he was before the pre sequel as a good guy.
that thumbnail is simply incredible
If Handsome Jack was in Handsome Jackpot, that could be the best plot twist ever.
my theory about zero is that hes propably an eridian and has a female creator (its there in his voice line in bl3) which means thats probably some person that taught him how to speak like a human(almost), made his costume, gave him a katana. So it could be a Tannis project. After all she has gone crazy after years spent on pandora and shes a scientist
this handsome jack theory has just done my sweed in
ive heard a theory that suggests that the "war" is something about the guardians. the guardians are sentient creatures whos entire purpose is to protect the vaults, and since we pillaged most if not all of the vaults, they now dont have a purpose and are probably going to be very mad.
I'm very interested to see what they do with the war in Borderlands 4. I really hope they don't just retcon the whole thing.
cool idea but seems weird since the whole point of the vaults was to lock the destroyer away until stronger people came along able to beat it.
I mean they literally made a key specifically for opening the vaults... seems flawed if they never intended for it to be opened.
If anything they should be programmed with some kind of understanding of dead destroyer = goal achieved
Love that I can come back and confirm that Tina is kriegs daughter
just throwing an idea out here, timothy might just be jacks scapegoat if he dies, we know through borderlands 3 you can virtually upload your mind, and timothy has jack's DNA, jack might come back through possibly taking over timothy somehow? just seemed like a small idea
Tannis was a scientist surviving on pandora for YEARS before she became a siren so she def had the strength yo do it
For what I remember Zero has 4 fingers instead of 5. That's what led me to think he's not human.
videos like these are so good
I love zer0 as a character in Borderlands 2. They made him slightly more lame in 3, but I hope they keep his mystery and coolness in the following games.
zero has four fingers and also doesn’t start panting when running for a while. So he could be an alien or an A.I
Conspiracy theories that are common but you did not cover:
1. Rhys is a siren due to his tattoos (mostly discredited now but it's a popular AU)
2. Troy (or Tyreen, but usually Troy) is transgender because conjoined twins are always the same sex
3. Gythian isn't fully dead, it lives on in Wainwright
4. The Ruiner was **not** made by Jakobs, it's a Vault Monster egg that was excavated
5. The War of the Watcher will involve the Eridians themselves returning
6. Angel's mother was a Jakobs
7. Fl4k was AFAB (AFAC?)
8. Izzy from TTWL and Mancubus Bloodtooth are connected
9. Phaseleech is the Seventh Siren
10. Lilith made some kind of deal with the Eridians/Guardians in order to get the ship that would become Sanctuary 3
YO
I gotta do some research on this stuff lol I genuinely have never heard of these theories before
The Phaseleech one is just true, people just misunderstand what Nyriad was saying.
@@EpicNNG Buddy that's what happens when you don't interact with the other, "cringy" side of the fanbase (the fanwork folks) 🤣
@@EpicNNG (no offense)
Izzy and Mancubus share a last name, so that one isn't a theory.... pretty much every character that shares last names (Zane, the Traunts) are related. So either they are family, or Tina somehow met Mancubus and included a nod to him in her BnB campaign.
The only way I can see enjoying jack in BL4 is if he is a backstaby ally, like we NEED him to do something even if we do not, I can see him loving the attention
I think one of my favorite theories is that General Zarpadon knew that Elpis was the key to The Great Vault.
If you remember upon meeting her for the first time she said "I'm going to blow up the moon and save the universe"
from time stamp of 1:55 to 2:05 salvador is using a using a midair dash (NOT ROCKET JUMPING) How is he doing that???
Zero is an Eridian Prince, sent through time to help the vault hunters win/prevent the war.
I like the Jack theory but loses grounding when considering tps and handsome jackpot. The echoes in Jack’s office retell Timothy’s encounter with Moxxi, being how she met Jack. While not told as to how the relationship went, she most likely realized the differences in personalities. When Zarpedon is defeated and the eye of helios is secured, Moxxi immediately seizes the opportunity to kill Jack; where as Timothy, the person she initially encountered, is given a second chance now that he doesn’t work for Jack and can’t dupe her again. Idk, but Jack is definitely returning if New Tales is canon 😁
I thought we fought Timothy in Hyperion in borderlands 2 when there was a jack boss fight there. I could be miss remembering. Also Jack could come back Through Reece from Tales of the borderlands.
Theres echo logs in wildlife preserve that may tie into the krieg theory
best video ive seen in 4 years but i seen ur other video aboout jake at the end of two when u kill bim he has a green eye and a blue but in the prequel he had the same color eyes when they show him disfigured both eyes are fine hes just burnt u ever catch that
I will never give up on this, I do still believe krieg is Tina's dad. gearbox won't accept it, but it's so clear, all you need is the headhunter (I believe) where they send assasins after the VHs, when they ask them "what is your biggest regret" krieg says "leaving the tiny one" why did the writers make him "TINY" if they didn't mean Tina? they could've used something like "the kid" or something like that! I'll never give up on this theory
Handsome jack returning as the "main villain" in Borderlands 4 and then we defeat him somehow or someway and then it reveals he was just a pawn created by whatever the War is gonna be and who's going to initiate the War and then it turns out everything we've come across is nothing compared to this War and even the Destroyer turns out to have been running away or some shit trying to get more powerful to defeat this War. Long stretch but could be interesting
I just want to see him show up and kill Lilith honestly
I hope they dont add handsome jack back bro, at this point they meat riding him.
@@TurskiLik yea, i really dont want gearbox to rely so much on 1 good villain
@TurskiLik if by "they" you mean "the community at large", then you would be correct.
from time stamp of 1:55 to 2:05 salvador is using a using a midair dash (NOT ROCKET JUMPING) How is he doing that???
My theory before bl3 was that the Jake duplicate u kill is tim from tps
Randy Pitchford said Jack's gone on the reveal of Bl3 (Pax East 2019 Panel). Also they did Dlc about Timothy so Jack Theory is not correct.
Tannis ''could'' be a siren when Steele died. Maybe she got her powers from Steele before Angel's death. But this a long shot theory kinda absurd. The war guardian watcher was referring to most likely events on BL3. In Bl1-Bl2 and Bltps we were NOT facing apocalypse like events but unlike these three Bl3 based on release of The Destroyer and most powerful siren leeching it. Guardian saved athena because good side of the universe needs all the help it can get including ex vault hunters of course. Still there is a chance that The Destroyer will break from its prison/pandora so it will be battle of the battles like situation that guardian watcher can refer to.
I give 0 change that Krieg is father of Tiny Tina. Why you may ask?? Simple. Even with his sane-insane duality form Krieg still remember Maya and misses her. We can understand that Krieg's memory is not total lost he remember every single detail about Maya and fellow Crimson Raiders. If Tina were his daughter he will be close to her right form the start. It makes no sense because all of borderlands universe, across the 6 galaxies filled with bandits and psychos Krieg is the mere example of this. Also even Marcus and Zed kinda like psychos in this universe. Tina acting like a bandit-psycho doesn't mean she has connection with Krieg. In this kind of lore you need some lunatic to be on the good side so things get interested.
It's a common marketing deal. Every game has lunatic guy on their own. Think about Gta 5 Trevor same thing happens here. Crazy-desperate or some maniac has nothing to lose being a savior makes the character more intriguing so players can make deep bonds with him/her.
Zero on the other hand I'm not quite sure that he is a eridian. His body shape/figure is just like any human nowhere near seraph guardians, eridians. He has not eridian like voice he is more like a Fl4k. Maybe he is robocop kinda guy who knows lost his voice, legs and he needs robotics to survive.
Lastly Bl4 will focus on finding Lilith and another corporate wars. We still yet to see Vladof in the series there is a good chance they will be main corporate in the upcoming title. I don't think they will continue The Destroyer and Pandora storyline again because it will be boring as hell and fan base will hate for it. Bl3 story was pretty decent for me at least but main villains were soooo bad they game labeled as ''death of borderlands series'' just for Tyreen and Troy being tik tok like dumbass villains. They won't be doing same mistake again. This game will introduce newly developed characters and side story like another Destroyer stylish demon comes from void and threatens all life but no eridians left so its up to vault hunters to stop it. That would be cool actually.
I strongly oppose the idea of resurrecting Handsome Jack. His narrative has concluded, and it's time for a fresh antagonist to emerge, one with a compelling storyline and memorable moments.
I don’t trust the Promethea as proof for Jack because of TALES. There’s an option to keep Jack as Rhys. My guess is that the plan was meant to say that Jack took over Rhys and then took over his body. That Jack AI chip is either in Rhys possession or left in a junk pile just waiting to be found. That’d be better than Timothy
Why everyone is talking about Thimoty... Jack was having many doubles 😂😂😂😂
This was fire good vid
You know, I feel like in my entire time in the Borderlands community, I'm the only person I know of who does not give a fuck about what Zer0 looks like under his mask.
I really can't say I've ever cared what or who he is. He's just another character.
*sigh* here we go again with krieg and Tina. Now gearbox is not great with lore continuity, but there is plenty of strong evidence and even more so proved in bl3 dlc.
In the fustercluck dlc at the very end you see a vision of past krieg walking away with a woman and a little girl who has bunny ears. That’s what really got me, but until we get more Tina lore to piece it together I think it’s more than a theory
theres alot of detail about tina being a daughter of krieg that you didnt cover.
Honestly, it would make a lot more sense if the Digi-Jack that Nakayama made was still living inside Rhys and thats how he brought atlas back, and that's how Jack technically didn't survive the events of bl2 but was still planned to come back on Promethea
Jack is an amazing character but i feel like itd be too much of a low hanging fruit to bring him back. Id love it if they crafted another villain as great as him for bl4 and be more creative
The reason why there's jack statues in the bts was because the choice to keep the jack ai from tales from the borderlands was gonna be cannon and he would have some how got loose but for some reason they got rid of that plan and instead we the garbage story and villians we got now
ZER0 IS 100% A ROBOT... you know it at the end of the Moxxis Wedding day Massacre... with the HEAD it gives you
In bl2 right before you enter the bunker map jack says he found Tannis to take the vault key and tortured her. If she was a siren this whole time how didn't he notice when he captured her. idk the whole her being a siren seems like a bl3 only plot line.
Jack IS the Jackhammer or at least his consciousness is
Honestly i feel Zer0 is not a alien and not quite a Robot AI but a Cyborg of some kind. I mean it explains the 4 fingers and his tech and appearance. maybe he like lost his hands some how in a fight and got augments (possibly from Atlas) that had 4 fingers. also saying we see Katagawa Junior copy Zer0's tech I doubt Zer0 is a Robot cause that if Zer0 was a robot cause if he was the tech would be part of him and uncopiable.
Quick change stations can replace limbs with whatever at anytime. That’s why Wilhelm can switch out his cyber arm whenever he respecs, also Rhys swapped out his arm when he was impersonating Vasquez. New-U and Quick Change digistruct technology is super overpowered and we never talk about it
I mean a human could use some kind of exo-suit to mimic a robot.
Borderlands tech is... varied. to say the least and can pretty much do anything.
So even if zero WAS a robot, he could still augment himself to copy zero
but I'd prefer if zero wasn't a robot.
My theory is less a theory and more a necessity. New tales from the borderlands is actually just a in universe movie and nothing that happened in it has any relation to cannon in any way and the main characters aren't even real!
I personally think the war the watcher talked about was NOT bl3. I think it be an endgame type thing where all the vault hunters will band together to stop a universe size threat.
yeah because they say "we'll need everyone" but half the characters don't really do much and they add a whole lot more anyway.
So I doubt that's the specific thing they're referring to.
But also what else could they mean other than the destroyer being freed and the "war against cov" being a siren war
For the sake of having the best villian of all time still alive im praying 🙏 hes the only boss i HATE killing because hes such a good character
An issue I’ve had with borderlands3 handsome jackpot… who did you kill in opportunity to get jacks bio scan and voice?? After presequal I assumed that you kill timothy to disguise as Jack but apparently that was someone completely different
its a different lookalike kid
Timothy is referred to as "The last of the dopplegangers." Last of. Jack had wayyyy more dopplegangers than *just* Timothy
I think Zer0 is one of those robots from the Bl4 trailer
I think we should retcon tales from the Borderlands and borderlands 3 as non canon
Maybe the watcher was referring to borderlands 2? That was a pretty big war
absolutely not
@@itisgooddaytobenotdead.5126 yeah I recently rewatched the cutscene and yeah it takes place after 2 lmfao my 🅱️
I just enjoy BL2 conspiracies for nostalgia.
I believe zero is most likely human. Since in borderlands 3 Yakima ray makes the same suit and sword that zero has however it’s never explained how he got the plans to copy zero’s suit. It even has the same hologram power like zero has. So my guess is zero is most likely human but who he is or what he was before might get revealed in bl4.
Takumara jr*
Aren't you supposed to kill Jack's double in Opportunity in BL2? Wouldn't that be Timothy, and then the real Jack at the Warrior fight?
The body double is a hyperion engineer, not Jack or Timothy
Definitely not Timothy, he exists in BL3
he has many many body doubles
no we dont have handsomejack back
I think that zero is a hybrid between eridian and human because he has human features and eridian also theres other stuff but im too lazy to write it all.
I really hope Jack doesn't come back.
The theory you've subscribed to doesn't make much sense. I would be willing to entertain the idea that Jack's dna causes Timothy to turn into Jack kinda like the Joker in Arkham Knight. But even then I'd be against the idea.
Can someone please make a mod for bl1 or 2 where u can have 3 ai companions that play as the other vault hunters and follow you around? I feel like it would be so wholesome to actually be able to go on a full 4 person adventure like happens "canonically" when u dont have 4 friends on the same console that would play through a whole game with u
In BL2, on the Son of Crawmerax DLC, if you killed 5 special colored craboid enemies within a certain amount of time (I think it's about 10 minutes), Lilith's comment about a "beach episode" comes true and (at the secluded section of the beach, past Crazy Earl) you're greeted with Lilith and Moxxi playing volleyball (sporting bikinis), while Brick builds a sandcastle on top of Tina, while Mordecai soaks up the sun in a beach chair.
theory for jack i just made: i do actually agree with the current theory of jack actually being the timothy we saw in bl3. but if it is actually timothy there could still be a chance jack can come back. Its proven that jack had thought backups for the chance he did die in order to (sort of) come back. in TFTB he tried to use a body he made for that specific reason and needed rhys' body (or his meat since it would replace his skeleton). My theory is he could have made it so whenever he wants, his mind can take over timothys and go back to his shenanigans
The Watcher's a Gaurdian, not an Eridian.
Source? I'd love to have concrete proof!
@@EpicNNG well one of the eridian writings in BL3 says that the eridians sacrificed their entire race to close the destroyers vault, but there is a very small chance that some eridians went rogue, and the watcher could be one of those rogue eridians.
It's ALL True!
The Jack theory is the stupidest shit ever but I wouldn’t put it past Randy who honestly isn’t that bright to make it happen
Why do you pronounce "voyage" in "Claptastic Voyage" as "voy-ahhhj"? I notice a lot of the Borderlands content creators seem to pronounce the word in this manner and I have never heard anyone else pronounce "voyage" in this specific way before. Legitimately curious if there is some lore reason or something.
hes bri*ish
Idk it’s just like route and “root”
@@josephgood6531 Unless you're speaking French, that's just not the pronunciation of the word. I've never heard anyone other than Borderlands content creators pronounce the word in English this way - and there are more than a few who pronounce it this way, not just Epic. "Practicable" 😂
@@Tysonyar plus I will say voyage sounds way better than voy- ahhhj
FTL background music or am i trippin?
Borderlands 3 Sanctuary OST
Bl3 has left me thinking all sorts of things. I definitely think the 7th siren is just all sirens leeched into one super siren but then i cants explain why nyriad says you should never find the 7th. But then goes ahead and hides herself away until typhon finds her. And jack is 100% alive or will be back my theory overall is jack returns and is controlling the leech siren i jus dont no what exactly he is planning.
My favorite conspiracy theory is that consulting groups like Sweet Baby Inc are necessary for writing a good story.
Wow all these theories about so many cool but none about o idk the massive skeletons the are all over pandora and have shown up at eden 6. Look I know they are just alien/dinosaur skeletons but come on they had to be SOMETHING at one point. Am I the only one that cares about them?
Bl4 is an MMO. That’s the war. Borderlands dies after bl4 so a multi year destiny style game is the way to go. And also will be fucking awesome
Mostly just misses here :/
Zer0 is NOT an alien/robot. he is a human. how do i know this?
aliens wouldn't know what a haiku is. they also wouldn't be proficient in human weaponry.
For those who are like "HE HAS 4 FINGERS THOUGH", let me remind you that Katagawa jr. (the new head of Maliwan) also has 4 fingers, and wears a suit identical to Zer0's. maliwan is a company with japanese/asian styling behind them. this leads me to believe that Zer0 is ACTUALLY a long-lost/disowned member/relative of the Katagawa family.