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An FPGA N64 is nearly hear, so get ready to buy it on the 21st of October 2024 8am PDT (that's 4pm UK time). The Analogue 3D looks like it's gonna be amazing value for money.
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After all these years, the N64 is still $250.
@@KBroly Interesting that $250 today is like $100 in 97, but in a 4k output.
Inflation buster!
While this thing isn't for me personally since I already own a MiSTer and an original N64. I do have to admit that the design of this thing is pure 🔥!
@@METR0lD I have no need for it and am happy with the MiSTer core, as all the games I wanna play, play without issues and don't require patching. But it's so pretty I keep telling myself I need it 🤣
@@PixelCherryNinja exactly the same situation. My mind keep inventing more and more reasons of "why its different"
FOMO is a powerful adversary!
@@zarkonesmall For me, I only have my original N64, so this is a huge upgrade for someone like me. My mind breaks when choosing a color. Black looks sleek and stealthy, but white looks clean and pops. Opinion?
umm its not a real Nintendo. idc if it makes toast its 300 hundo after tax on a credit card
Still not sold out as of 7:30 PM local time on the 21st (the black version at least).
Still not sold out 7 days later 😂
If this had some semblance of 'open FPGA', it'd be an absolute must buy for me. As is, it's a harder sell in the "kinda want, but" camp. Financially also the worst possible timing for me, so gonna have to let this one pass for now. Hopefully it'll be around for a bit longer so we can form a clear picture on its capabilities and then still be able to order one.
Absolutely bro
@@HypnoGenX What is open FPGA in layman terms, I looked it up on Google but still not clear. Is it do you can run other emulation games like ps1 or genesis games?
@@j.d.8160 An FPGA chip can be written to by a developer to do anything they want. In gaming terms that work is usually focused on simulating game consoles. The 'open' part is just Analogue's branding for them giving developers access to the FPGA chip in a device. So far they've only done that with the Pocket.
So without them officially announcing OpenFPGA support, that means the Analogue 3D is kinda locked down to only be what they allow it to be. Of course with their history of official-unofficial 'jailbreak' firmware, it's anyone's guess what will actually end up being supported.
i cant imagine this looking good on a 4k tv. n64 games were made for crt tvs
Ordered one. I really like the N64 implementation on the MiSTer, but this one will go in the living room, while my current MiSTer build is in my studio/office. It would be nice if it got OpenFPGA support, but I'm happy either way. Can't really have too many things like this. :D
Nice, in regard to openFPGA, it won't come as Analogue have confirmed it will not.
@@PixelCherryNinja Yeah, I read that as well. Just dreaming in comment form. :D
The console and the controller look amazing. Good luck beating the scalpers when it comes to placing an order!
Bought one (blk) you can buy a used N64 for about $100 $200+funtastic in the weast coast or this upgradr for a little more NEW
This may well be the spec for mister 2 eventually
Maybe 😄
I got mine preordered this morning in white. I've got an RGB modded N64 and an everdrive but I hate the wiring mess from the retrotink 5X and honestly, I just like the clean white aesthetics.
I’m all in! N64 wasn’t the greatest console but I’ve always appreciated the boldness of Nintendo and what they tried to achieve with the machine. I’ve got two OG N64’s and also got more N64 games than I realised but still want this. I love analogue products shame about shipping and tax charges.
@@trzarector I think even with shipping and taxes it's good value.
It's certainly cool, and the unit itself is damn sexy, but I'll stick with the MiSTer for now. I do have an N64 with a stack of games and an Everdrive, but it's been completely supplanted by the MiSTer since I got it.
There won't be more cores here because there's no open fpga.. This is a N64 only. Now ill bet that in no time there will be a jailbreak to put all games on the sd card.
so, the jailbreak in latest analogue systems, only get jailbreak to load games from an sd card, not to add new cores right?
@@sanchiani9717 Yes, except on the Analogue pocket that has open fpga and it has cores for almost everything till rhe 16 bit gen and arcades like cps2. All other consoles the jailbreak only allows to play all games for that specific machine
@@nvc. got it, what a shame its not open fpga.
@@sanchiani9717 Open fpga on this hould be amazing since this is more powerful than even the mister fpga but i understand that Analogue wants to keep on releasing diferent consoles.
So, I dont understand this product.
Obviously it outputs at 4k, But:
Does it emulate the n64 experience 1:1?
Does it run games at a smoother framerate at all?
Is it upscaled after internally running the game at the original resolution?
or is it natively running the games at 4k?
my question is how do we port over the games we have on our current expansion pack on the onto the analogue system because i have certain games in not in the mood to start all over again
This has VRR support, i game on a 32 inch Asus OLED and OLED is basically the next best thing to a CRT
If the CRT filter isn't good on this, its not a deal breaker.
Ill wait for a transparent Orange one.😊
@@raganx7108 there's always a possibility down the line.
I swear this popped into my head earlier today before the announcement. I wonder if the Mister Pi an QM Tech forced Analogue to be more competitive with the pricing. I already have a Mister, but the price and logic elements got me thinking
@@duxzu stop it. You are not much of a thinker suggested by your profile picture.
I agree. This price point has me thinking too.
I keep telling myself I don't want this but the thought of all the graphical goodies and possible features they might implement(turbo?) has me still interested. Even if you hate it you might make money or only lose a little bit. If there was even 1 other system like saturn somehow implemented it would be a homerun for me, and it's still possible I think. No 2.4ghz means I would have to play it wired somehow though as bluetooth is fairly laggy
"Exceedingly cheap" - I wouldn't word it that way, bud! It may be cheap for you, but impossible to buy for others!
But is it really that cheap? It doesn't come with a controller, so if you want to have the complete multiplayer experience you'll have to buy them separately. So you have - console $250 + 4 controllers $160 + conservatively $60 shipping + 20% import charges for most countries = $550+! I wouldn't call that cheap.
@@yavorchernaev39 cheap or not, it's a no risk purchase. You can use it for a while and sell it later on for exactly the same or more.
@@yavorchernaev39 i’d wager most people interested in this already have controllers, and it comes with built-in original Nintendo controller ports.
It is cheap, cost just about as much as a meal at McDonald's.
10:10 - Your hunch may be correct and I understand people hang out in discord and discuss certain details that may not always be known to everyone. With Analogue stating "Analogue3D does not support openFPGA," think that's clear it's following the trend set by the Duo. Then some people get confused between OpenFPGA on the Pocket versus additional cores found on the NT mini/Noir or Mega SG with the related adapters. So if we do see additional cores, it will be from Analogue alone in the spirit of the NT mini/Noir and Mega SG with Master System/Game Gear/Colleco. There will be no additional access to the FPGA by third party devs based on their current statement and hardware choices.
With the Analogue Duo, some people had high hopes of other cd based cores comes to the console. It didn't happen and users are still waiting on an jailbreak update to match the official core. So I think it's best for people just to base their expectations off of what is known today rather than what may be possible. So everything in the PR release along with reading ROMs off the hardware with a jailbreak is fair. It is possible we may see 64DD support, maybe there could be options for Aleck64 arcade games and if we're real lucky, Wide Boy 64. Though Analogue never supported the Super Gameboy 1 or 2 with the Super NT. Maybe that boils down to the Cyclone V just not having enough LE for those additions or maybe Analogue wants to resell another 4k Super NT console variant in the future. When the price is $250, it hints to me that they won't be real generous with extra cores because they're offering a deal on the hardware.
Buy it for the 64. If you get bonuses, cool. If not, then, you still got a N64.
@@PixelCherryNinja True and I think that's a very fair way to look at the A3D. Analogue hardware can be confusing. People still ask basic questions like what is the Analogue DAC, what does it do and why is it important? So with everything, I think being as clear as possible with what's possible with FPGA hardware is important especially for newcomers that might jump in because of the N64. Otherwise people end up spending money, maybe expecting more and not happy when those features aren't available. Less important for those who've seen Analogue FPGA development over years, get it, and understand the routine.
Anyway, my hope is you're correct about the additional cores. They would make a nice addition.
I can't understand the market for this when roms are easily accessible and since you own the games already its "ok". Why risk damaging them? Not to mention we already have cheaper options for fpga like Taki's.
Oh wow! Interesting PCN. It captured my attention for sure. 8^)
Anthony..
@@Charlie-Cat. I knew it would Anthony.
Any idea if this will work with the NSO N64 pad and an 8Bitdo ‘2’ USB adapter (the black one)???……Would really like to be able to use that pad with this for the ‘real feel’ of the N64 experience.
@@Shadowbann3d no idea yet. Analogue would have to add support.
@@PixelCherryNinjaI emailed them to ask/suggest it….here’s hoping 🤞🏼
Really confuses me cause it shows nothing about what the games look like or what the wifi is for. Is it online multiplayer? Is it actually 4K?
I can’t wait for this to come out. I’m getting this day zero
My bro SNKev. I hope you bag one.
@@PixelCherryNinja I even put the alarm on and make sure that I login right on time
@@PixelCherryNinja that black one looks so dope
@@SNKev411 like a pro. I'd go black myself too.
Do you guys think that ps1 & ps2 will be supported through this devise ? I doubt it will only play n64
Any word on ship date? Preordered Pocket on day 1. Waited 16 months for it. If this is the same situation I might wait it out.
Q1 2025
@@overoula where did you read that?
If it has 4k output --- then no need for a RETROTINK 4k! If it gets hacked, all mister cores @ 4k with the CRT shaders would be SIIICK WITH IT
As a Nintendo fan, this thing is so cool
I want it.
I hope you get one LM!
Better be on there the SECOND they go up for sale. Analogue never makes enough to meet demand and this one is probably their most sought after yet. Bet it sells out almost instantly.
I believe the demand for it will exceed the pocket, especially at a price of $250, which is significantly more affordable than purchasing a separate mister and 4K upscaler. It can also play cartridges and could possibly get hacked for additional cores! or maybe open fpga.
All of the Analogue products have been hacked. That's inevitable.
@@vitaAutLetum "hack" none have been hack, the analogue devs secretly release a firmware that enable ROMs to be play, and the only open core is the one from the pocket. If indeed they open the core, I doubt it very much, it will be an interesting buy other than that it's a hard pass for me.
They already said it is not going to be an OpenFPGA (or whatever they call it) system.
@@vitaAutLetum hacked for loading roms, but not necessarily hacked for playing additional cores
@@mmpsp693 I see, open fpga doesnt seem a right choice for them, it will affect their pocket/dock sales.
Could someone educate me, if the resolution is upscaled to 4k, wont it still be incredibly jaggy? Because there's no kind of smoothing or other graphical enhancements similar to like an mclassic, right? I believe just some kind of imitation scan lines, no?
Imitation phosphors/mask. It is likely to look better than a typical scan line implementation. But we don't have it in our hands, so that's all speculation on my part.
Theoretically a device could be made that presented a low resolution virtual coordinate system to the game, but rendered to a higher resolution render target. Like running an N64 emulator. It is 3D, after all. But I kinda doubt that with what they've said in their marketing for this device.
I own the 4k Gamer Plus. Technology the device is it's own GPU sort of. I'm using it on a PC to save myself from upgrading it. I play all my games in 1080p with 60hz since that is the requirement for the Upscaler to work. I'm playing everything in 4k 60fps using this method without upgrading my PC. No lag since the device is it's own GPU.
I thought it was going to be more expensive... good to know.
I am glad it isnt over $250 with lack of openfpga and with 64 core option like misterpi offer so many cores, also analogue release now is smart, cause when mars fpga project releases, it will be hard to justify buying it.
I can't get excited about this if it is going to still be the original jaggy, 15 FPS experience. No matter how pretty the scanlines/filters might be.
Definitely would be hyped if it has a turbo mode.
This is why FPGA is only good for 2D consoles. 3D console games work much better with emulation.
No DAC support and no 2.4Ghz for the pad...
Yeah. All this effort for more accurate CRT emulation and their dedicated DAC remains stuck on systems they don't produce anymore. No 2.4G controller option is also a head scratcher.
Unless someone is a huge fan of N64, has to have 4k and play with original carts, Taki's MiSTer clone is a better deal. Very important for streamers who want to stream 1080p and have analog out to a CRT. Otherwise, it becomes kind of a mess to split the signal, have one 4k source go out for streaming and the other downscaled 4k through a Retrotink 4k to a CRT? Maybe even split it three ways to a 4k OLED, out to streaming and then downscaled to a CRT. Yeah... this becomes messy real fast without the DAC.
Analogue is following the Nintendo trend. Nintendo makes the 3DS and removes the 3D with the 2DS. Then they make a Switch without video out and no detachable controllers with the Switch Lite. Now Analogue removes analog video. Ugh..
2.4Ghz isn't necessarily always faster than BT.
@@xminorthreatx BT is always slower than 2.4 Ghz.
Ouch yeah, why would they not support 2.4ghz, Are there any controllers that plug into the original port with a 2.4ghz dongle? I have og controllers but can't use them where my couch is right now
Is this just for the nostalgic feels of using a cart? Or is fpga tech strictly superior to emulation?
Yes to both
the former, the latter is only true if it is accurate enough, being a bitstream loaded into an FPGA doesn't magically make it better, there are trade offs to software simulation vs hardware emulation.
going to jp next month, perfect timing to hopefully pick up some cheaper stock on my travels.
30w power!!! hopefully theres something reliable we can use as an alternative for UK plugs, maybe the switch charger could do the job. anything to avoid using a travel adaptor.
gonna try to get 2 units, one for me and a colleague, just have to decide on the colours...
You get a usb-c cable so can use literally any usb-c charger you already have or can pick up a decent one from Anker/ugreen/etc for like £20
@@fowler0028 more of a "what existing charger that i already own could work" maybe i'm weird but i have a lot of type c chargers and cables already considering i buy electronics and usually leave the charger in the box if i already have something similar plugged in the wall.
its just a bit annoying cus the mega sg and super nt ran easily off low power usb (with the damn legacy micro usb port)
@@intilagos-brown5232 I’m sure you’ll have a suitable one in a drawer/plugged in somewhere/etc, I recently got the Taki Udon Mister clone(put together but not setup the sd card) which I think also says 30W and I plan to use the Steam Deck charger which I currently use with the Steam Deck and the Analogue Pocket in its dock.
Sorry, one other note: you mentioned the A3D will sell out but this seems more like a preorder similar to the Duo. Usually with preorders they open them up for a set amount of time, take in the preorders and then close them for manufacturing and delivery months later. That should make it so there's not a rush to grab one because inventory isn't based on a set amount which has already been manufactured and is sitting in a warehouse like the special edition Pockets.
I agree though, for those who want one, probably best not to sit and wait around. Just means if someone isn't available at the exact time to order one, hopefully they won't sell out in 5 minutes. At least, that was my interpretation of their preorder system for the A3d. Maybe I'm wrong.
That's a good point. Thank you.
Nice to see that someone said this as I wasn’t if someone would, other than limited editions or preorders during Covid their preorders have lasted for a decent period of time. The duo only had 1 preorder period(unless I’m mistaken) but the nt mini noir & the pocket both had like 3(noir was a limited edition so was only going to have 2 but the demand caused them to release another limited quantity preorder)
Is this gonna play everdrives and other flash carts?
I don't see why not.
I am distinctly underwhelmed by the case design and, at this point, minimally retooled generic 8bitdo controller. I am however looking forward to technical analysis of the 4K CRT / PVM filters as for a sub-$300 device this is really interesting.
What makes me happy is that this FPGA just killed the MARS and not because of the N64 but because of the specs.
Huh...?
Not really. We have no idea if the 3D will have openFPGA. If it's like every other Analogue console, it won't. The pocket is their only system with other cores on it. So all this is, is a $250 N64 core that can play cartridges. Which for what it does is still a good purchase.
But if the Mars does what they promise, it will still sell.
@@xMaGuSx888 I agree. I do find it pretty amazing that Analogue, with such powerful FPGAs in their systems, don't simply allow it to be an open fpga platform in the first place. I wonder if they just think it will sell more units to have individual console releases.
@@xMaGuSx888 Not quite. Pixel Cherry Ninja was harassed by Pramod who is part of MARS Dev Team. Plus me and other users who commented on MARS Tweet are blocked by MARS on Twitter.
Even MARS did came out as what they promised. It won’t sell due to controversy going on unless MARS Team public apologies and move on.
Remember, the internet will never forget.
@@ABOhiccups nah. There aren't that many people that care about the drama. Just the loud minority on the internet, like us here in the comments
I hope the ps1 gets similar treatment like this. Problem is dealing with the BIOS file.
What about the transfer pak? Will it be compatible with the controller?
@@Cocotonmarron it says original accessories are compatible.
@@PixelCherryNinja digging more it looks like the 8bitdo pad doesnt have an accessory slot. rumble is built in. but the system itself has memory pak support built in. but you will have to back up any saves using an original pad to transfer them over. if its pokemon stadium i guess you'll need an original pad plugged in with the transfer pak.
@@intilagos-brown5232 the 8bitd pad is just a bluetooth PC controller, so no FPGA magic
No CRT no OpenFPGA, no cart adapters....
I'll just get that sweet pad from 8bitdo.
I want this so bad but of course they wait until I'm dead broke and literally can't afford it to put it up for preorder. Lol! Oh well, next batch it is.
@@BLOODY__FATALITY Sorry to hear ☹️
They're going to make these in every color known to to man...
Don't worry if you don't get one for the first run...Lol
It hasn’t sold out yet.
Just purchased it myself. I’m waiting for this instead of getting the Chromatic as I do already have FPGBC and the Pocket.
I’m pumped. I presume it’ll play 64DD games, and those very odd and fun 64 Arcade games out the gate.
…man, if I hadn’t bought that HDMI modded N64 a few years ago…😂😂
The controller needed yellow c buttons
CC Sakura Mods
The price is good 👍
Have a feeling..a hackmod will be released later that allows to play GB, GBC,GBA at 4k
That would be sweet.
I sorta doubt it, considering it would be cannibalizing pocket + dock sales. And I'm not sure third parties have really done much with these devices
Keep in mind this won't support OpenFPGA. In that sense, there aren't external people who are hacking, modding or hackmodding Analogue consoles. The jailbreaks are extra features used in development usually by Kevtris - the main engineer - which are eventually released to the public as jailbreaks. Really it's just a way for Analogue to sidestep issues with ROMs and it's a nice bonus for customers. The only time Analogue has released non OpenFPGA cores, it's been with the NT mini/Noir due to the cost and with the Mega SG and cart adapters along with Coleco as a bonus. Super NT and Duo had no additional secondary cores. Well, I guess the Duo had Supergrafx but they didn't go above and beyond including PC-FX.
N64 did have the Wide Boy and 64DD so maybe Analogue will decide to release support as you mentioned. Or maybe like the Super Gameboy 1/2, they'll decide, nope, $250 for a 4k console is worthy of N64 alone without any other bells and whistles.
I mean you can already emulate them on the N64 today so sure.
Just got the mister pi not long ago so I don't need this.
But Damm if I don't want it.
And I need a n64 controller for the mister core too lol.
PCN I got it 💪
@@SNKev411 My bro, awesome 👍
People forget how bad the games looked and ran. 20fps OOT...
WILL
@@wingleburt3146 haha, changed. Thanks for the heads up 🙂
@@PixelCherryNinja no problem.
Of course it will sell out. They're only gonna make 3.
I don’t see the point in this, honestly. I do get the reason, but I feel it’s too little too late.
Why? Retrotink 4k exists. An upscaler that has already been proven to be an outstanding piece of hardware, but works with all consoles, unlike this Analogue product which is confined to its own exclusivity. They haven’t shown any pictures of what this can do either, so that’s a little troubling.
Also, a CRT with an N64 will achieve the same results, if not better, than what this aims to do.
Not everyone has a CRT, but not everyone has a pricey 4K OLED either. Which, you WILL need a 4K OLED to get the same results of a CRT with inky blacks, motion clarity, fast response times and low latency.
I have an 83” OLED, but I think N64 games will look absolutely terrible blown up on a big screen. The Analogue 3D will not improve FPS or texture mapping and the games will still run at 20-30 frames with muddy graphics.
Not a knock against Analogue for that, but their marketing is based on nostalgia and I think consumers are going to be disappointed with the final results. Couch co-op that you used to enjoy with the boys when you were a teen is magic not easily recreated today.
Their marketing strategy is touting how awesome of a console it is for multiplayer and how it’s going to capture the look of a CRT, both of which are very difficult to reproduce.
The N64 is definitely a product of its time, and is best enjoyed on a CRT. Once the dust settles, enthusiasts will ditch this for old hardware imo.
There’s a reason this is still up for preorder a week after launching.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Interesting, though be wary on that hardware. Just because it's impressive doesn't mean you can get other cores on there.
Must bite a bit seeing as the MiSTer costs have crashed with QM Tech and Taki Udon boards.
before call it "extremely cheap" you should remember that you have to include the shipping costs + taxes, wich make it cost 400 € atleast, and a joypad wich i advice to DO NOT BUY from analogue or you gonna pay the extra taxes on top of it. Still i will preorder it and buy it as all the other analogue devices. now its more about the collection that the consoles themselfs
I live in San Diego and shipping for the Pocket was $20.00 and I got it in 2 days
Naah, mister works good enough for n64 games, for me at least.
The MiSTer core is awesome, and plays all my favourites without requiring any patches. Although this product may not be for everyone, it definitely serves the need of many out there.
I can't wait until somebody makes hardware with cores that AREN'T already available.
New Mister cores come out somewhat regularly
@@blarghblargh mister core is imperfect however, its fine for commercial ROMs if you don't care about accuracy, but can't run most homebrew, supposedly this core is accurate enough to support libdragon homebrew so it must be close to the actual hardware
I hope it dosent need the 4mb expansion crap
@@JoseBrisenoJr-hj1pu it's built in.
Who actually wanted this?
look at other comments maybe? plenty did
How these guys don't get in trouble with Nintendo is beyond me. Even if it is legal, I don't think that ever stopped Nintendo.
Because they aren't copying anything. They built it from the ground up.
@@figuredrawing4912 emulators aren't illegal either, and yet that never stopped Nintendo
@@blarghblargh You're clueless.
@@blarghblargh nah they are if they ship proprietary firmware, or violate DMCA on DRM, the N64 is the last firmwareless console, it only has a tiny easily replacable IPL1/2, and all the patents have expired.
day 1 buy
Which color?
@@hotdognobun black for me
ahhh FOMO
No OpenFPGA, no buy. I am but a a simple man.
💯
@@astrovewlix it’s running the games with no emulation… this is all hardware doing the work. So why do you need it?
@@Trigger200284 $250 of hardware isn't cheap, and if it let you play other games too that'd make it a better deal.
That said, I have a Mister and an RT4K. I don't need it at all.
@@astrovewlix sorry i’m a noob, whats this mean in layman’s terms lol
@@Trigger200284uh you realize fpga is just hardware emulation right? Openfpga is the same but for multiple consoles and no need for carts.
dont tell me that i want one lol
No OpenFPGA kills it for me. Overpowered kit limited to one system/core.
@@neocvera don't be surprised, if there's more to this system further down the line (disclaimer - speculation)
@@PixelCherryNinja I tend not to invest in hopes and dreams mate.
Never buy something on the promise of delivering more later. All the biggest tech RUclipsrs say that. Only buy this if you want this for what it is definitely going to be, a luxury N64. Anything more is gravy.
@@blarghblargh Especially when it comes to Analogue, whose after market support is terrible.
They will have limited edition
And also good luck for those who wants it
Analogue always got bad business habits
Yep, there'll be an extended delay on the pre-order, then a week after it ships Analogue will announce a special translucent edition available for immediate despatch, just to piss off those who showed support and waited patiently for a regular version.
Please help me understand, what is so special with n64? To me games look like sh*t. Why not snes, megadrive, neogeo or even turbographics with their amazing graphics, but n64 which is the worst aged Nintendo console?
@@metinemiroglu1936 it's subjective.
@@PixelCherryNinja yes of course. Analog is a for profit company. They must have made some market analysis etc and made a decision. I just cannot understand the reasoning behind choosing n64.
They did most of those system already.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Analogue is a shit company. I don't like them but they do make awesome consoles. I allready have a MiSTer so I'm good and no open FPGA makes it even more easy for me. I do get people get excited but its not for me.
Dont care. It was a trash system.
Analogue is a crap company.
@@Ashore88888 explain
@@lt.facepalm9566 They overhype their products, make unrealistic claims in their marketing, promise features that don't materialise, don't respect consumer rights, charge extortionate shipping fees...
I feel this is way over priced…
Seriously if you want to play n64 in 4K there are way more cheaper options. This vid should say advertisement in the beginning…
Is the price in USD ??
Does it come pre loaded with games like the mini snes?
I don't think so.
that would be illegal, so no.