23C3: Culture Jamming & Discordianism

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  • Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
  • Speakers: Autumn Tyr-Salvia, Fox Magrathea
    Illegal Art & Religious Bricolage
    Discordianism is somewhere between a joke and a religion, and at the same time manages to be something else entirely: social bricolage. This presentation will cover the roots of culture jamming in early art and theatrical movements, and then move through the history of prankster groups and on to Discordianism where the pranksters are prophets.
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Комментарии • 155

  • @jessembs
    @jessembs Год назад +4

    This is fantastic and I love how Autumn just puts that dude in his place with his stupid first question.

  • @thechurchofhalflight3657
    @thechurchofhalflight3657 2 года назад +4

    We read, in the book 'KLF' by John Higgs that Kerry Thornley actually 'became close' with Lee Harvey Oswald when he was a Marine and before being posted to Japan.

  • @chris6969
    @chris6969 4 года назад +7

    KLF were pretty popular here in the UK. I remember 3am Eternal and Justified Ancient

  • @KristianGravenor
    @KristianGravenor 2 года назад +3

    Highly recommend the KLF documentary that just came out. It explores a lot of this same content.

  • @LordDream
    @LordDream 11 лет назад +17

    Not wishing to "create discord", but I think you'll find "Discordianism" is actually just "Taoism in Disguise" or a humorous interpretation of the Taoist philosophy, even their "logo" is an interpretation of the Tai Chi Tu (yin/yang symbol)... of course I "maybe" wrong ;-)

    • @johnappleseed8369
      @johnappleseed8369 6 лет назад +6

      Lord Dream In a way, yes absolutely but there are other aspects than just Taoism underlying Discordian philosophy.

    • @agentderekanderson8356
      @agentderekanderson8356 5 лет назад +2

      Android's better for designers than Apple or Macintosh or anything else you want to call it

    • @OddBunsen
      @OddBunsen 4 года назад

      What's with the quotes dude?

    • @bleesev2
      @bleesev2 3 года назад +3

      Discordianism I see as an Anti religion, it makes fun of Taoism, as well as other religions too, it's almost a Taoist satire

    • @dansumption947
      @dansumption947 3 года назад +4

      "The Sacred Chao is said to be the key to illumination. It was devised by the Apostle Hung Mung in ancient China, it was modified and popularized by the Taoists and is sometimes called the Yin-Yang. However, the Sacred Chao is not a yin-yang symbol. It is the Hodge-Podge of the Erisians. And instead of the Podge spot on the Hodge side, it has a Pentagon, which symbolised the Aneristic Principle, and instead of a Hodge spot on the Podge side, it has the Golden Apple of Discordia to symbolise the Eristic Principle."

  • @lancestrickland2092
    @lancestrickland2092 4 года назад +10

    situationist magicians

  • @HaniAmir
    @HaniAmir 11 лет назад +12

    Thank you, that was quite fascinating. Praise the water dogs of the crab nebulae, in their eternal grace as they spin majestically towards each other, ceaseless in their eternal waltz of chaotic destruction and sublime love for cookies and milk. Amen.

  • @deesevrin8570
    @deesevrin8570 3 года назад +7

    Groan
    Something something meme magic something something chaos
    Hail Eris
    You do not speak falsehoods, shame. Truth is everywhere. Boring.
    Thank you
    All Hail the 21st century fnord

    • @walkingdead171
      @walkingdead171 2 года назад

      Lmao real shit

    • @Metaphorge23
      @Metaphorge23 Год назад

      IKR? What pretentious asshats!

    • @josephjones5070
      @josephjones5070 Год назад

      Discordianism is purely reactionary and it absolutely requires that which it mocks. It has zero foundation and zero relevance without the status quo to stage itself against.
      It is a band of idiots.
      And the worst part is that these idiots are more snobbish and exclusive than anyone they mock. Yet they lack any real creativity, which is why they have to appropriate the world of others and mish mash these world together, thus the copyright violations. They constantly bitch about not being able to use other people's work because their own is so mediocre as to be invisible without stealing someone else's spark.
      Ultimate hypocrisy. And anyone paying attention has come to expect nothing more than hypocrisy from this crowd. They have no shame and no talent and they revel in it.

    • @deesevrin8570
      @deesevrin8570 Год назад

      @@josephjones5070 You know much yet understand nothing. If only we were all so fortunate.

    • @josephjones5070
      @josephjones5070 Год назад

      @@deesevrin8570
      Responding in terse negations that mean nothing.

  • @mtop6867
    @mtop6867 4 года назад +4

    According to www.howtopronounce.com/guy-fawkes/, his name was pronounced "guy" (rhymes with "tie") - when I was a boy in the English West Midlands, we'd push around an effigy of the gunpowder plotter (or a friend in disguise) in a supermarket trolley asking for "penny for the guy?" (to buy fireworks to set off in the park, rascals that we were.
    He wasn't French. Born and raised in York, England. French is Guy-rhymes-with-Plea, English is Guy-rhymes-with-Die. Just saying.
    Great video, the earlier culture jamming and then pranksters... this is my world.

  • @ScottGladstein
    @ScottGladstein 12 лет назад +4

    Autumn had me up until 46:08.
    Autumn was talking about copy left and "no one is going to mistake that for the U2 song" and then she has a problem with what Nike did? I think people who will be familiar with the iconography of the running fish won't mis-attribute it to Nike.

  • @jovanyagathe7790
    @jovanyagathe7790 10 лет назад +14

    Hail Eris Hail Harmonia lol

  • @asktheanswer424
    @asktheanswer424 11 лет назад +5

    Harry Houdini unbinding Passover spell.. Abracadabra!

    • @nuthineatholl6434
      @nuthineatholl6434 5 лет назад +1

      Mazel tov.
      ruclips.net/video/yvEWNlcefAw/видео.html

  • @RainbowWorrior121
    @RainbowWorrior121 9 месяцев назад

    Namaste & magically magical presentation. For those interested the “Who killed the KLF” is now available. Which depicts their route in terms of Discordianism perfectly.
    The more we share, that which we know. The more we synchronistically grow 🙏

  • @thehopelesspragmatic6701
    @thehopelesspragmatic6701 3 года назад +8

    "Confusion to the enemy!"

  • @joelw2023
    @joelw2023 6 лет назад +5

    I dont understand how its ok for one group of people to use someone elses art but not the other way around.

    • @zaktripper4908
      @zaktripper4908 5 лет назад +1

      (~$.~)

    • @josephjones5070
      @josephjones5070 4 года назад +3

      Expecting logic, consistency, and an awareness of hypocricsy from this crowd is asking far, far too much.

    • @mrmanjumac3454
      @mrmanjumac3454 3 года назад

      It is ok. No one can take that away from you

    • @erisdiscordia7439
      @erisdiscordia7439 Год назад +1

      Cultural appropriation is ok and based and super cool, so saith Eris

    • @bikecaptain8015
      @bikecaptain8015 Год назад

      @@josephjones5070 You were so close. Seriously. You are barking inches from perhaps the most important insight.

  • @lazerbeamlightningstorm5844
    @lazerbeamlightningstorm5844 7 лет назад +3

    let me know if you want in on the hellen keller steven hawking bar crawl

  • @dmekkkkkwkkkkkk
    @dmekkkkkwkkkkkk 2 года назад +4

    you can see the gayness in there faces

    • @Metaphorge23
      @Metaphorge23 Год назад +1

      Yê ku bi hevzayendan re şer dike bila lê binêre ku ew bi xwe nebe homoseksuel. Û heger hûn dirêj li hevzayendiyê binerin, hevzayend jî li we dinêre.
      Di heman demê de, ma mebesta we ne "their" bû?

    • @josephjones5070
      @josephjones5070 Год назад

      Physiogomy is a real deal.

    • @josephjones5070
      @josephjones5070 Год назад

      @@Metaphorge23
      Both her and her "partner" is what was obviously meant.
      Although the guy looks more like a cuck and she looks like she fks whoever she wants.

  • @jayyo3574
    @jayyo3574 7 лет назад +3

    This may or may not be true. Decide for yourself - or don't.

  • @watermelonlalala
    @watermelonlalala 2 года назад +1

    San Francisco, gee, I wonder why there?

  • @originalcableguy
    @originalcableguy Год назад

    non-commercial is charities, community interest companies..
    "non-commercial license" = go get a charity registered

  • @chris6969
    @chris6969 4 года назад +2

    Salvia is a cool surname

  • @xepulvedaaldo677
    @xepulvedaaldo677 4 года назад +3

    So, the apple of knowledge is within discordianism.

    • @bikecaptain8015
      @bikecaptain8015 Год назад +1

      Of course, yes *and* no are the answer you're looking for.

    • @NN-Nathan
      @NN-Nathan Год назад

      discordianism is within the apple, ( but you can get it whithout :-)

  • @j.2512
    @j.2512 4 года назад +5

    just nihilism and relativism

    • @krisymar1
      @krisymar1 2 года назад

      yep

    • @bikecaptain8015
      @bikecaptain8015 Год назад +1

      Nuh-uh. Taoism and Zen and Absurdism, too.

    • @Metaphorge23
      @Metaphorge23 Год назад

      Your mom is just nihilism and relativism.

    • @josephjones5070
      @josephjones5070 Год назад

      @@bikecaptain8015
      No, just pure spiteful mutant and hypocrisy.
      Talentless hacks who can't get any noteriety without using the creation I've works of others.
      Completely reactionary. Utterly lacking in relevance without that which it mocks.
      Its existence is completely dependent on that which it claims to oppose.
      And this group is every bit as exclusive and snobbish as those they mock. Every bit as unwilling to admit the dark side of their bullchit. But at the same time contributing absolutely nothing of value to society.

  • @username316usualaccount5
    @username316usualaccount5 3 года назад +2

    the best joke i ever seen

  • @CausticCrimson
    @CausticCrimson 2 месяца назад

    Praise Bob!

  • @DigitalNinjutsu
    @DigitalNinjutsu 5 лет назад +3

    The apple logo has nothin to do with the object of discord and everything to do with the fruit of knowlage in the garden of eden myth.

    • @myautobiographyafanfic1413
      @myautobiographyafanfic1413 3 года назад +2

      I can't tell if you're being discordian by making no sense, or just making no sense.

    • @bleesev2
      @bleesev2 3 года назад +4

      You're wrong, the apple is actually a ward against doctors, who may be lizard people in disguise. I mean, they're probably not lizard people in disguise, but you never know, you know?

    • @Metaphorge23
      @Metaphorge23 Год назад

      Whew. Couldn't fool you! 😇

    • @josephjones5070
      @josephjones5070 Год назад

      Discordianism is purely reactionary and has zero relevance without the status quo. This is why they always throw up subjectivism as a defense. Because they are talentless hacks that cannot create anything that is objectively beautiful and unique.
      That is why they appropriate the world of others and then rage when they get called out on it. They need to steal the creative spark of others in order for their crap to get any eyes at all.
      And don't even get me started on where all this relativism that they promote goes when sex and children are involved.
      Yes, you sick fks. Heavy drug abuse and the exploitation of people, including children is so heavily associated with the kinds of event that you originate, such as burning man. And that isn't a coincidence. You create the environment that you need in order to fulfill your own desires, even when it means the exploitation and abuse of innocents.
      You crave this because you are losers with no power other than that which you exercise on the weakest. And for all you useful idiots tagging along with this shit who will say that this is not the case, I ask you to open your goddamn eyes.

  • @krisymar1
    @krisymar1 2 года назад +2

    Interesting presentation. Cant Discordianism be taken too far or to extremes just like all other religions/ideologies that have been distorted over thousands of years? I mean unbridled and unchecked chaos and hedonism where anything goes without any restraints, etc will always end badly. Just like the crusades were a bloody consequence of a certain viewpoint enacted. I recently viewed a presentation that eluded to the fact that Discordianism taken too far can take on the flavor of satanism and/or fascism.
    This ideology seems like its missing some morality, modesty, and reverence for life. Could Discordianism be more useful as an energy or archetype employed with some skill and mindfullness at times when life becomes too stagnant, limiting and restrictive. Like a tincture or remedy, rather than a belief or ideology used exclusively? I would think that would cause a serious imbalance in our world and in ones private life.

    • @coolpotato7370
      @coolpotato7370 2 года назад +4

      discordianism breeds abuse in family settings. speaking from experience. spent 14 years in a discordian household as a child and it really fucked my worldview up to a schizophrenic level for a long time even after i left. i had to unlearn looking for cues and searching for connections to be made where there were none. i got the habit from my father who frequently spread pure nonsense to strangers in public like it was normal and kind of a game to see if he could get them to believe him. to this day hes quite good at making wild connections seem just possible enough to believe and he does it for fun to strangers online these days. he could make a stranger believe the end of the world was next week given enough time.

    • @krisymar1
      @krisymar1 2 года назад +2

      @@coolpotato7370 wow. Thanks for sharing that. In the little I do know about it - it seems rather evil. Hopefully you are undoing the damage done to you by it 🙏

    • @JoeLigmama
      @JoeLigmama 2 года назад +1

      Discordian Jihad is just Jihad

    • @bikecaptain8015
      @bikecaptain8015 Год назад +2

      Lord Omar said it better than I ever could. There are people who somehow miss this and latch onto The Aneristic Principle as an excuse to act as if only their grids matter or exist. Every religion is susceptible to this. How I Found Goddess ends with this, though. I'll just leave it here.
      "NONSENSE AS SALVATION
      The human race will begin solving it's problems on the day that it ceases taking itself so seriously. To that end, POEE proposes the countergame of NONSENSE AS SALVATION. Salvation from an ugly and barbarous existence that is the result of taking order so seriously and so seriously fearing contrary orders and disorder, that GAMES are taken as more important than LIFE; rather than taking LIFE AS THE ART OF PLAYING GAMES.
      To this end, we propose that man develop his innate love for disorder, and play with The Goddess Eris. And know that it is a joyful play, and that thereby CAN BE REVOKED THE CURSE OF GREYFACE. If you can master nonsense as well as you have already learned to master sense, then each will expose the other for what it is: absurdity. From that moment of illumination, a man begins to be free regardless of his surroundings.
      He becomes free to play order games and change them at will. He becomes free to play disorder games just for the hell of it. He becomes free to play neither or both. And *as the master of his own games, he plays without fear, and therefore without frustration, and therefore with good will in his soul and love in his being.*
      And when men become free then mankind will be free. May you be free of The Curse of Greyface. May the Goddess put twinkles in your eyes. May you have the knowledge of a sage, and the wisdom of a child. Hail Eris."

    • @erisdiscordia7439
      @erisdiscordia7439 Год назад

      SO WHAT IF IT DOES? #SwastikasForEris

  • @tyrjilvincef9507
    @tyrjilvincef9507 Год назад +1

    A "chaos based" mock-religion that has drab slideshow presentations popularized by modern universities, complete with 1970s-era jokes... LMFAO

  • @DanDart
    @DanDart 11 лет назад +1

    Genius quote... I have a... errr.. HP of discordia. XD

  • @cow4652
    @cow4652 11 лет назад +3

    Discordianism is ayahuasca shamanism, question everything think for yourself only the intuitive overcome the stress tradition and attain the meditation

  • @NugisBiboSchicken
    @NugisBiboSchicken 3 года назад +3

    chaoflux in 2 days :))

  • @iknownuffing5442
    @iknownuffing5442 Год назад

    Praise BOB!!

  • @elly2154
    @elly2154 7 месяцев назад

    Christ is King, He loves me

  • @jodielane6785
    @jodielane6785 Год назад

    Dance!

  • @PeKaNo
    @PeKaNo 3 года назад +1

    ヂスコルヂアニズムはないと思うよ笑俺にとっては嬉しいです

    • @Metaphorge23
      @Metaphorge23 Год назад

      あなたは、絶対に正しい。あなたはこれを夢見ました。🦊

  • @lazerbeamlightningstorm5844
    @lazerbeamlightningstorm5844 7 лет назад +2

    Hella NLP

  • @chris6969
    @chris6969 4 года назад +3

    Hail Eris. Fnord.

  • @josephjones5070
    @josephjones5070 4 года назад +8

    Funny that she doesn't just admit that it is Kaballah repackaged.
    I'm sure she identifies as part of the tribe.
    Fighting against the system so that they can install a neo-pagan system that ultimately has the goal of creating the uberman. And ironically keeping eliminating the weak and unwanted from the gene pool.
    I guess the same kind of idiocy that lives in the mind of someone who would buy into this, is the same kind of idiocy that mind that would conflate knowledge and wisdom as the presenter did in the first 3 minutes...
    These people could put the efforts of their dead end lives to the purpose of furthering the humankind if they were smart enough to see the basic beliefs of the religion that they unwittingly follow. As it is, they will serve there role as useful idiots.

    • @krisymar1
      @krisymar1 2 года назад

      well said. this "religion" is for people who want an excuse to do whatever they want, when they want, and live hedonistically without any thought of consequences or reverence for life. Its really repulsive BUT also extremely immmature and at the end of the day insanely destructive.

    • @krisymar1
      @krisymar1 2 года назад

      @luis guzman torrente you’re actually the idiot. It’s not a joke - people do practice it’s teachings. . If you look into the teachings of Leo Strauss, the root principle is “order from chaos” which many political leaders and other prominent people were schooled in and is the backbone of their ideology and part of the way they govern. It also ties into the Hegelian dialect which is a big influence on the way some govern. Do your research before insulting people. You know nothing about astrology - nothing,, so are you qualified to say one thing about it? You can’t even produce correct grammar and you’re calling me an idiot? 🤣

    • @krisymar1
      @krisymar1 2 года назад

      @luis guzman torrente and oh - I see what you’re all about. Nice pizza symbol…

    • @theRiver_joan
      @theRiver_joan 2 года назад +1

      Fucking lol

    • @krisymar1
      @krisymar1 2 года назад

      @@theRiver_joan what does that even mean? Fucking lol?

  • @tryptvminxglitch8221
    @tryptvminxglitch8221 4 года назад +1

    25:00 oh noo xD

  • @asktheanswer424
    @asktheanswer424 11 лет назад +1

    this is not a monarchy

  • @xepulvedaaldo677
    @xepulvedaaldo677 4 года назад +1

    sleeping beauty.

  • @JohnDoe-xp6dr
    @JohnDoe-xp6dr 6 лет назад +6

    Praise kek!

  • @Jethorus
    @Jethorus Год назад

    What in the actual f

  • @earthwaterairspiritfireleb5482
    @earthwaterairspiritfireleb5482 10 лет назад +1

    hmm your right it is chaos they say culture jamming, but all its really about is a pair of dutch clogs *rimshot* hehe

  • @wrqnine7675
    @wrqnine7675 7 лет назад +8

    The whole thing stinks of entitlement and self infatuation.

    • @ellococatra
      @ellococatra 6 лет назад +2

      WRQ Nine j

    • @zaktripper4908
      @zaktripper4908 5 лет назад +4

      Ought one with further (presumed) insights feel entitled to express them in any way possible, especially where any negative consequences on human sustainability is otherwise disregarded for financial profit?

    • @PeKaNo
      @PeKaNo 3 года назад

      я не знаю как вы меня зовут

    • @krisymar1
      @krisymar1 2 года назад

      welll said!

    • @bikecaptain8015
      @bikecaptain8015 Год назад +1

      As a practicing Discordian, she sure did make it seem so. I'm with you.
      And, I have no recourse. Discordianism supports schism and disavows proselytization. But, I'm with you. Someone missed both the Golden Secret, and the Introduction to Negativism, so say I.

  • @PedXing0023
    @PedXing0023 11 лет назад +5

    I think a Discordian can easily give props to Marxist Philosophy, in fact Discoridanism is Karl's ultimate dream.

    • @mrmanjumac3454
      @mrmanjumac3454 3 года назад

      Yeah.....totally

    • @Metaphorge23
      @Metaphorge23 Год назад

      I agree. Glad you liked the talk.

    • @josephjones5070
      @josephjones5070 Год назад

      Discordianism is completely reactionary.
      It ABSOLUTELY REQUIRES that which it mocks in order to have any semblance of relevance. It has no foundation for existence without the established order.
      It is both the joke and the butt of the joke at the same time.
      And what the fuck does that have to do with Marxism?
      If you desire a "Marxist utopia", then what place would discordiani have in it, other than to mock the very system that you fantasize?
      Did you think at all before you blathered about your pet ideology?

  • @smokeyturbanslive7225
    @smokeyturbanslive7225 5 месяцев назад

    oh no you dont get it at all...

  • @nothingdotdlmsc381
    @nothingdotdlmsc381 7 лет назад +4

    DON'T SPEAK FOR ME

  • @josephjones5070
    @josephjones5070 4 года назад +1

    Hail Eris?
    She would probably not want a follower who looks lime the presenter...
    Maybe that the goddesses joke, eh?
    Hahahahaha

    • @mrmanjumac3454
      @mrmanjumac3454 3 года назад

      Lol

    • @Izlandzadi14
      @Izlandzadi14 3 года назад

      HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

    • @Metaphorge23
      @Metaphorge23 Год назад

      Bila shaka Eris hatataka mfuasi anayefanana naye; huyo NI Eris! Hahahahaha