Now this is a TRUCK! 2024 GMC Sierra 2500 AT4X Plus AT4X AEV Comparo
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- There's trucks and then there are TRUCKS! The 2024 GMC Sierra 2500 AT4X is one heck of a big truck complete with all sorts of capability. Publisher Tim Esterdahl goes over the truck and talks about the 2500 AT4X AEV edition as well.
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Great truck for hedge fund managers, doctors and company CEO's that need a weekend cottage vehicle to haul bagels and boxes of money.
You have to remember there are two types of pickup trucks. Work trucks and Luxury trucks. Luxury Trucks are for those who have the cash and will be used as family vehicles and will be used for work. But a true work truck or affordable truck is a regular cab, 8 ft bed with 4x4. That's it. So if you want a truck that's what a normal person with not as much cash should be buying. Not these land Yacht....sadly I see it every day. Someone who should not be buying a 100k truck, buy it because they think they need a back seat and shiny trim with a big computer screen in the middle of the dash and enough room for 8 people. They don't. But people get what's popular. They don't want the work configuration trucks we mostly saw on the road before the 2000's. If they want something with room they should get an affordable SUV...
I would buy it in a second, if it had any kind of dependability and reliability about it, but that thing will be in the shop all the time and parts will be back ordered
$100k is a lot for a vehicle, yes. But bear in mind, the same truck in 1995 would’ve cost you $50k. Inflation is more of a concern than is your jealousy some people can afford to buy a vehicle like this. I’m jealous too. I had to settle for a $75k jalopy in 2023.
The jealousy that is oozing from this comment, and the amount of upvotes is a true testament to the type of people in this world right now.
I would never spend that kind of money, and I do well..but with that being said, why are you mad at successful people? Mad at Doctors..damn dude..I bet your a blast at parties…
Fun fact, that locker works in 2H so now you've got a 975lbft burnout monster and drift king.
This exact truck is in my driveway
Love the front locker. Oops.
I live in Texas and everything is bigger in Texas. See many of these trucks and on the interstate they pass me by doing 90 plus like I’m standing still (and I’m doing 80). I call them The Road Warrior!
Before the price even gets mentioned, I know I could never afford that thing, but you are correct, that is a TRUCK! I love it!
'Get's mentioned '? Grammar people!!!
@@jonathancole6124 Oh, sorry I don't meet up to your RUclips standards.
@Sacapuntas69 No, it's an American standard called the English language. It should be all of Americans' standards.
@@jonathancole6124 You are very sweet.
My answer… I’ve got one on order. Same model / trim but sterlin metallic. Been a Chevy owner all my life. But this particular truck has won me over.
When we got our 2019 GMC 4X4 SLT Sierra 1/2 ton back then, it was close to $70,000 which is crazy how much trucks are now, compared to 20/40 years ago. So gmc’s prices are always higher than Chevy because of what they offer. Even way back in 90’s when I was in high school, it was the same way back then. So fast forward to now, everything is more expensive and sometimes hard to attain. This new 2024 HD AEV AT4X truck is awesome. Wishful thinking of the price was lower, but with all the technology put in, what it can do, it’s a all around truck. You got cars that are 60/70/80/90/100 thousand dollars that can’t go off roading, you are better off spending your hard earned money on this truck for what it has inside, outside, and what it can do overall. So I feel GM did a excellent job in making this truck. You practically don’t have to do anything to it, just leave it stock how you bought it.
Love that you love the clock! Lol. Something I’d say. Gloss black anything always looks good …for a week or so till it looks scratched. Sweet ride.
As in all products there is the $2 version and the $20 version. Buy what your budget dictates. For those that can afford this truck more power to them.
Great video as always
More than I paid for my first two houses!
$1 went a long way in 1810.
And what you paid for those houses would have bought you mansions 100 years prior... that's life
Beautiful truck! Hey at minute 03:23 over your left shoulder… I saw that mountain This morning. Yep I was in your home town. I drive for the Worlds Largest Retailer and was at a particular Sugar company’s warehouse picking up a shipment back to KC KS. Nice town there love the scenery off to the west. Anyway if I was gonna upgrade to an HD… this would be my pick. Love this truck!
HUD display most likely just needs to be brightened by pushing up on the +/- lever. Confused me as well!
I’ve got a 3500 Denali with a 6” lift and 35’s on it. And a convertible gooseneck/5th wheel hitch in the back. I pulled our 38’ 5th wheel all over the western US with it before we sold it and never had a problem backing under it! I also had a 30’ gooseneck equipment hauler that was the same, so it’s not an issue!
With a 6" lift? You towed a 5th wheel? It's all I can do to tow my 40' 5er level with my stock 21 F350 dually. I have the hitch set as low as I can go. Does the front of your 5th wheel sit high in the front?
Never understood 6” lift and only 35’s on GMC/ Chevys when Rams you can do 35’s with a front leveling kit😅. Yes AT4 was needed but that’s a lot of money for a truck 😂. I think people have lost their minds paying 100,000 plus for a truck
@@JohnSmith-ij4xe you see value different when you can afford it, what it can do for you becomes the priority and money just becomes a leverage tool
It is not too expensive if there is enough people with the money or credit to afford this truck. Unfortunately, there is no longer enough people with the money or credit to afford these trucks. Thanks Tim, great video and it is a really nice truck, you have to love the AT4's.
GM says the AT4 lineup is a majority of HD sales, so......
It's a very pretty trim level and color combo.
I hope they improved the seat comfort for 2024. The seats in my 2023 Yukon Denali are not comfortable after a short ride. I like the the vehicle other than the seat comfort. They used to be the best.
I can't stop sharing this with my friends! 😃
I had a $37k truck in 05 and still regret going off road. I couldn't imagine taking one of these trucks off road. Plus im sure when it breaks the dealer will tell you its not under warranty becuase it went off road.
I love your videos Tim.. real and informative.. I'd love to see you do a show on the performance tuning chips for GMC diesels.. 3.0 and 6.6 ltrs..... Possible?
I don't really have access to a tuning shop sorry.
I really like the looks of the AT4 trims, but I definitely think it's too much money.
Yes, it ridiculous how expensive these vehicles are now. As an example I purchased my 2021 Sierra Elevation in Jan 2022 for $53.3k + taxes. the exactly same config for the 2023 model. with the new interior and the new grill and headlights costs $64k I think this was the last time I purchase a brand new truck. used from no on.
@@mauriciocastro6363 I hear ya! I'm looking to get back into a truck and I'm thinking I'd have to go used also. The only bad part of that is in my area most used trucks have higher miles for a slightly lower price than new. Sadly the used market is also inflated.
Good looking truck. Prices are stupid though. I’ve always liked the GMC trucks. Only issue is with the newest gen’s they took away a lot of the storage for the front. Trailer brake is in a weird place that takes away storage and for the love of god why did they decide it would be a good idea to remove the storage area on the dash??? Chevy still has it along with every other truck for the past 20 years.
@@mauriciocastro6363 depends how long you intend to own it. I paid my last vehicle off early and haven't had a car payment in 5 years so for me to get a new vehicle wouldn't be a big deal in the long run when you amortize the cost over a decade or more
@@GreenMountain565 GMC hasn't had dash storage for a while, at least not in every model truck
No, they have not lost their mind., I would argue that they have finally found it lol.The AT4X HD and ZR2 HD were both needed and very welcome additions to the HD lineup. I honestly wish you could get it in a 3500 as well. This truck is only 2 inches taller than stock including the 35's, so not a big issue as far as trailers.
It's a top-of-the-line luxury off-roader. People whine about the high price of the top trims with tons of technology features that didn't exist 10+ years ago, but totally overlook the base or work trims (and even those have Android Auto/CarPlay capability). If you want a truck with low prices, stop looking at top luxury trims and buy a bare-bones work truck.
Go into the infotainment screen and turn on the heads-up display.
For the HUD, it will work if you have the buttons. The +/- button is a dual-direction button, meaning you push up from underneath, and press down from the top. I thought mine wasn't working until I figured that out :) Turn up your brightness
Tim, I was wondering what your impressions are so far in using the GM upscale if you will dash design that has the vents above the info center only on the upper trim levels such as the AT4, Denali etc ( on the SLE and SLT its the style you had in your chevy 3.0 diesel High Country ) since you have had quite a lot of seat time in the 1/2 ton chevy that had the version of vents to either side of the info center and also the vents to either extreme end of the dash are different as well. Its probably hard to tell it all until one is in the middle of winter and fighting frost on the side windows or also hot temps during the summer to know how the vents perform. I have heard complaints from those that own the higher end GM dash in the HD trucks because the column automatic shift knob becomes in the way of line of sight to the info center in drive position but that is all I have heard so far.
Nice truck
I’m on the east coast so I am assuming that you went through some mountains on the trip. I am a bit surprised that the gas mileage was not higher on a longer highway trip
After hearing all the PowerWagon owners complain they couldn't get the Cummins diesel in it for decades, GMC is giving almost everything they wanted and a lot more (yes no solid front locking axle.) Let's see if these will sell well.
Lose of ride quality with diesel engine weight. Two different trucks. I have power wagon but like we know payload in off readers sucks, I'm kincking around at4 with a v8 for better ride quality than diesel
This guy is out of breath opening the tailgate 😂
It must be super quiet inside. Wow
The AEV looks awesome to me, love the wheels and bumper with winch. Unfortunately, I think those options eat into the payload which then limits what the truck can do. I currently have a Sierra but would likely buy the Chevy and pay less for it. I wish they’d offer this in a double cab to shorten the wheelbase to be more maneuverable off-road.
I think it is awesome.
Tim, as a Colorado Native, not TFL transplant wannabes, I’ll work for you, as I live in Colorado Springs Colorado and back in the day I did testing of the Ford Super Duty on Pikes Peak and off highway trails in the Colorado Rocky Mountains.
That’s a long drive to work to get to me!
@@Pickuptrucktalk There is the internet, email, drop box, etc😉
@@icare7151 send me an email to tim@pickuptrucktalk.com.
I can see why overlanders use them, once you put all that weight it drives smooth as butter.....3/4 ton needs a lil over 500lbs and it takes the stiffness out of them....too big for serious offroader but you buy this to do alot of different things and it does them very well
Price is steep for sure but so what, they will sell....I can't afford one but that sounds like a me problem not a GMC one😂.....
Getting mad at price of trucks is ridiculous.....buy a base for 50k
At4x was never built for poor or avg people to begin with.....
It is pretty bad ass
Just think when the strike is over the price of the truck will go up by 30 percent especially if the people on strike get their 40 percent raise. I would say the workers but from what I hear from family that works and has retired from gm, the shift is work an hour and take an hour brake. Cant wait to see how expensive trucks get after the strike.
My 2023 GMC 2500 Denali has fixed running boards which is so much better. Also helps when trying to get into truck and animals hitting the truck. I didn’t like the 2024 dash setup either plus the logo would rub my arm on the arm rest.
One good whack offroading and the retractable running boards are toast. With fixed ones you just have some bending but they still work fine
@evocati6523 My exact reasoning, love the fixed boards on my AT4
Is that a spray-in bed liner are they using the carbon fiber bed liner that came out with a few years ago it's like a real durable composite much lighter and quieter
They offer a Carbon Fiber bed or a spray-in bed liner. They are two different things.
Your HUD is listed in options. It should be working.
Nice truck beautiful. I feel ypu don't feel anything on the road is because is new right 😂😂😂😂😂
what kind of mileage did you get with this. I did not hear anything about that in your video.
Hey Tim! Love the channel! You may have to adjust the HUD up or down. My wife has to adjust it whenever she takes our AT4, because she is short and didnt know this was there until I told her about it lol
This truck looks great now but in a few years the frame will start to show rust because of the wax dip. GM needs to switch to e-coat frames.
It’s interesting, I live near Canada and the fords seem to rust far far worse. My truck (ford rusted horribly in spite of taking it years to a zeibart program.
I sold that truck 2013 f-150 and have 2020 Transit. So far so good
Because you know better than *gm.*
Actually yes. Twenty eight years of experience in coatings used on metal. Wax comes off with your fingernail. In northeastern US GM frames rust faster than everyone else’s with the exception of older Toyotas. @@G-Rated
@@charliej.2716 Sir, you do *not.*
Does this have auto start/stop? …Meaning it turns off at red lights?
Seats any more comfortable?
What size bed is that? It looks small but maybe it's the camera angle.
6' 9"
Been Chevy Girl all time 🇨🇦, especially with my Heavy Duty mechanic father recommended Chevy always....Now, since being crippled by a reckless driver, my Dr.s state I need to get out of my SUV and into a Truck for better protection for my damaged body.
Just waiting for insurance to pay out so I get my Truck.
Hope I’m not bothersome in my comments.
Yes, I want the truck. No, I cannot justify the cost. $105,000x1.08+ title/license/destination charge and I’m well over $116,000+. That requires a $85,000 dollar down payment to meet the payment I’m comfortable with.
People complain about the prices but forget this isn’t the year 2000. The lower end trims of the Chevy 2500hd is damn near the $50k mark. Well hell, I want all the creature comforts as I get older and if that means I have to pay more and that’s what the market is asking then so be it. If you don’t wanna pay more than $50k for a truck then be happy with the low end trim and don’t complain
2000? Heck a high end truck 10 years ago is what a low end truck costs now. Sucks but that's reality. Some of us saw it coming and took steps to raise our income along with it, some spend their time with TV and video games and complain about truck prices online LOL
Nice review Tim, but there’s no “en” in Dampers!
LOL. Good catch. I tried to correct myself a few times. Old habits and all.
This is by far the best looking truck on the market. It is just way to expensive. People who can actually afford this truck, most likely will never go off road. 105k for the AEV is insane. After you pay interest, your looking at probably 140k. Not to mention insurance and excise tax will be stupidly high. The depreciation on HD trucks is terrible as well. You put 10k miles on this thing,.. there goes 30 grand off the value.
Ill wait till I can find one cheaper at auction that was repossessed due to high payments .
You clearly haven't looked at the market. The diesels do not depreciate.
Great status symbol vehicle with great bones but yeah too rich for my blood.
People wouldn't mind having this truck, but the number of folks that can pay 95k for a vehicle in general is few and far between.
65-75k is probably where this price of this truck should exist. A lot of the creature comforts could go in this truck while leaving the functional parts there would be where it would really shine as an off-road work truck.
Otherwise, this thing will be regulated to towing around 150k RV trailers that wealthy retirees lug around.
And to add even more hurt to the picture as I am in Canada, the diesel versions of these three models, 3500 AT4 is around 116000, the 2500 AT4X like in this video is 128000 and finally the 2500 AT4X with the AEV package is 139000
Going to a gas engine would knock off 10k and be just fine for offroading, this model is not marketed towards towers anyway
I have got one coming The AEV Coming next week the dealer is doing a Dealer Trade. I have a 19, 21, now the 24 one is my wife’s the 21 is going to the Company for a New Work Truck. My New Truck is $109, 000 But it’s Laid out with Bumper Winches Bed Cover but what I really like is the Interior with a TV in the Dash.
Such huge vehicles and such small men to drive them 😂. I'm 6'2" and 352lbs, that's made for me 👍
Oh yeah this is built for tall guys like you!
Im buying the AEV version!!
I have the 2024 GMC Sierra 2500 AT4X AEV Edition (Duramax) and I know its heavier than Non AEV edition. Its an amazing truck no doubt. You said it drives like a sedan; I'm not sure mine does, there is some bounce and at times it can get unbearable on less than perfect freeways at almost any speed and 200 of the 300 mile drive home from the dealer was not pleasant. I spent heck of a lot more, paid over 126k including tax and dealer premium. GMC tell me, after extensive tests, its normal. One or two other reviews mention this bouncing effect perhaps its more pronounced on the AEV Edition. Being desperate, having spent so much on this new truck, I replaced all tires with Mickey Thomson Baja Boss (that set me back another $2661) and reduced tire pressures front and back. I have to take this on a longer drive. I think its the Multimatic DSSV, either I have a defective set on mine or its something else. GMC is no help at this time. Please give me an honest opinion about no load ride quality on an average freeway, not ones smooth as glass.
Probably extra weight of the diesel. Think I'm leaning toward V8 for better offroad and ride mix. I've got a power wagon and they don't have diesels for that weight reason
How high are they going to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
95K for a truck is just so crazy. Are people not batting an eye because theyve become complacent with the rise in costs of these vehicles or do they really believe the features are worth almost six-figures? Seems out of reach to most regular blue collar folks looking for a truck.
If you haven't taken steps to raise your income to the inflation we all knew was coming, that's on you. It's still a lot of money but about the same relative to income growth if you were smart with your career
Im curious...do 37's fit??
I can’t see why they wouldn’t fit.
I see lifted trucks pulling 5th wheels often.
I think younger folks find the tall truck easy to get in. Many many many years ago I had a 1983 F-150 I removed the twin I-beam 4x4 differential and replaced with a 1979 F-150 solid axle with coils springs. I first lifted it 5.5”, the. 8.5” then finally ended up with 18” lift and 44” monster mudder tires..I could get in easy but carried a step ladder for dates. It was a lot of fun. I graduated from college joined the Navy then sold.. became an airline pilot … guess Flying-Hi was something in my blood lol (for you older guys Flying-Hi will mean more to you all if we’re into lifted trucks jeeps and the occasional lifted ElCamino.
Total insane price for a truck.
I only know a few people who could afford that truck but they don't throw their money away like that.
And plenty of people think your vehicle is a waste of money compared to theirs. People who buy these trucks have other more reasonable vehicles, this is a toy. Having fun is still legal for now
I priced one at my local GMC dealer 20% down $1378 for six years.
Way too much 💵💵💵
$104,000 and it is yours!
Ha Hahaha
Aren’t all the 1-Ton 4x4’s pretty darn tall? Saw a ford super duty tremor and it was easily as tall as my f-150 with 6”
Lift and 35” tires?
It’s absolutely worth it…😂. I guess. I’m a custom home builder, and a realtor busting my ass and although I could technically afford it, I would absolutely NEVER pay that.
Because you don't see the value in your situation. It's like a private jet, people get them because they make life easier and their time is worth more than the cost of the plane. If your job required you to get places really fast you'd pay more for a fast car so you could make more money. People who drive long distances and also need offroad capability value spending money on the performance and comfort of a high end truck. Nothing wrong with it
I like the way the truck works with the lift definitely will get the EV package do you spend that much almost with aftermarket stuff anyway 105 is a lot of money though that’s not even including tax and license. Do you probably looking at 125 to 135 out the door payments will probably be 1000 to 1500 a month, One question the lift,kit how much overstock difference in height?……. well, if you’re gonna go go big or go home
Those Kikr speakers are like a $1000 option. Yikes!!
Better to get a large BT rechargeable soeaker IMO.
Why is it not available as a 3500 HD AT4X? - Miss
Why is the trailer controller where it is on the center console for things to spill on it and not where it is on the Silverado HD? - Miss
The RAM 2500 POWER WAGON Has FRONT & REAR LOCKERS 😱...
Open Diff On The FRONT TOO On The AT4X 2500HD🤷 NOT Even A Limited Slip 😱...
That Sucks😬...
The 1500 Has Front Lockers But A SHORT Bed And For Me NOT Enough Payload ...So That's Weird N Messed Up That The 2500HD Model Doesn't Come With The Front Lockers🤔🤷...
Both... All 3 Are Awesome Trucks...
But Yea...Them Lockers On A HD... Ram Boxes Are Awesome TOO... Just Seen Them For The First Time... Will Be Missing Out On The GMC Tail Gate But The Shocks And The Front Lockers On The RAM Stock Out The Gate... Good To Hit The Ground Running 😎👍
Nice vid but C'MON buddy don't try and get into the truck backwards. Left hand with left foot..
Is this going to be your year truck to buy?
I wish. Thinking something else though.
Hey Man✌️♥️😎🏠...
Was Originally Looking At The AT4X.... But Hear The 2500HD AT4X Doesn't Have FRONT LOCKING DIFFERENTIALS Like The 1500🤷... Which is the Whole Point!🤷...
Heard it's An Open FRONT Differential Which Is Worse Than A LIMITED slip🤷...
I'm Sure It Still Says It's 4 Wheel Drive But Wondering How It Can Be A Four Wheel Drive With An OPEN FRONT DIFFERENTIAL?
ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?🤷..✌️♥️😎🏠
New off-road mode does 95% of the job of a front e-locker and the additional gear of the front e-locker really isn’t needed. It is like with axle ratios, new technology and multi-gear transmissions have made the bigger rear axle ratio not needed.
In short, technology replaces hardware.
I scoff at the prices of 18-20 year old 3/4 ton trucks that usually have over 200,000 miles.
Yea Lust worthy - but the price is huge - 3/4 ton off road rock climbing capable pick up truck is all about luxury and your toys you bring with it nothing more nothing less. For me that money can be better spent elsewhere. Besides roads are paved everywhere around here.
imagine this AT4X as REG CAB ...... would be nice - too bad the 1500 short bed V8's also got erased ...
Assuming it's buyers lease, they aren't likely to get the right type of usage to keep a diesel emissions system in good condition. Gasser is a Better choice for them.
Exactly diesels great if you use them all the time but I had issues with my Sprinter diesel from light use. For me V8 makes more sense and no dealing with nasty DEF
Wait for the impressive recalls, bulletins, upkeep, and downtime for repairs.
Same thing people say all the time yet tens of millions of cars are sold every year and they work just fine. You can't live in fear just because the possibility of risk exists
@evocati6523
There is already a recall, and sales have been halted. Now what?
All these negative comments about it's price cracks me up. Believe me, even in this economy, there's still LOTS of people with money out there. Three years ago the comments were all "I'm ordering one tomorrow".
The gap between "broke" and the "1%" is widening quick.
1 % is 400k, married couple having a good job gets there easily , you don't have to be in the 1% to afford this truck
"Broke" means to "not have money". Even the 99% have widened the gap, in that sense.
Same people who spend all day playing video games then wonder why their income never goes up
@@evocati6523 Exactly! I made $10k mowing lawns in my spare time last summer. On top of a 40h work week, That used to be a job for kids wanting money for baseball cards lol.
My meager salary of 65 k a year puts me in the 20k market. My 13 silverado w 103000 needs to last another 10 years
Forget the midsize truck, get an aev edition of the AT4X!
So I pulled into a ruck stop for the night couple of days ago and the guy next to me is fixing his 6.6 Duramax HD pickup doing hot shot freight. It's his second engine. These trucks look nice and shiny when new but using them for actual work they are crap....
One guy who you know nothing about had a problem so the millions of engines running just fine are all crap LOL ok. Whatever you drive I can find 10 strangers who say it's trash
Can your next truck be a 2023 Ram Rebel 1500
Can’t be a 2023. Must be a 2024 or 2025.
Yeah, I want it! But even with my income which is well above the American average I couldn’t afford it! Ive, made more money than I ever thought I would after I retired from the Military 2yrs ago. In the Military I made much less, but I could buy and afford a new house and even buy a new truck every 2 or three years. Now, I make a lot more money today than I did back then and I cant afford a damn house or new Vehicle. 😢
That is no lie
UAW got their raise! You think this is pricey just wait, shit is gonna go way higher!
How can you tow an 18,000# gooseneck or fifth wheel that will put 3600# of weight on your bed with a payload of 2800#. These numbers that manufacturers use are very misleading.
You don’t, I’ve seen f150s with a higher payload.
My guess is GM was going by 15% tongue weight, which makes it just able to squeak by.
The payment on that truck at 7% for 60 mos with 10k down is $1760 per month, that means you would have to make 18k per month to comfortably afford that even if you can wright that off in 1 year it’s still hard to justify!
11:04 'stearing skid plate' 🤔
They are quite amazing!
Best HD on the market by far. Complaining about price - the other competitors are just as expensive with less capability. It’s a no brainer. Toyota doesn’t even make HDs-it would be trash like their trucks are anyway.
Now you know how Jill feels standing next to a Maverick...lol.
Nice truck. Needs shorter tires-33-32”. I am 5’8”+. Gotta get that + in there. Price is outrageous. Now that truck lots are packed, GMC will have to start cutting prices. With the economy tanking even more, prices will continue to fall. When dealers start dumping trucks at auction, the prices should hit 105K down to mid $80’s at auction. I will wait till that happens.
"Bigness" means it won't go "everywhere"...
compare this to ram 4x4 2500
Ask Ram how their luxury trucks are selling? Barely!
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It well never see a muddy field great capability
But to expensive.
You havn't seen nothing yet Tim get it now it's a steal, the strike increases are coming and inflation is still rising and so are rates . I'm taking delivery of my Canyon AT4X this week , get this buddy the winch is no joke on these its a 12 hour job , they don't give 12 hours to pull an engine. you have to need the full size for what its meant for you cant just buy it to cruise , Most people I see with these on the road are contractors true Bosses