Still loving the content. Keep it up and keep your opinions as the driving force. I love your taste and you introduce me to new artists regularly and bring your specific tastes to the table. It's makes me sad that level headed thought out opinions and ideas and cast to the side in the world we live in.
Hey Finn. Could it be that some bands who've been in the game longer than others are just annoyed who are annoyed to see others who've maybe have not been in it as long get the credit or title before the others who deserve ot more ? Could some of the bands have reasons to be upset?
@@dan.r9220 I get that but you can understand why some of these bands can be a little not happy. I get it that no one owes you anything but there is some validity to a certain degree.
As I've said before, Chris Barnes went from being one of the most brutal death metal vocalists ever to my drunk uncle at karaoke singing about politics
How the fuck was classic Cannibal Corpse vocals brutal? Like even with the example he showed I dont see what was impressive? Maybe I'm missing something but I find Carcass and Obituary vocals far better and more brutal.
Chris Barnes seems like one of those crazy neighborhood old guys like , “oh no the ball went into old man Barnes’ yard” You’d have to hurry before he came out chased you with a stick.
This guy is the epitome of the old man screaming at the clouds. Sure he’s got the history and legacy in the scene but his recent performances have been horrendous so he’s the last person who should be talking about what’s good about the current state of death metal.
It's a shame because Tomb of the Mutilated was my introduction to Cannibal Corpse. It blew my young mind at the time. I also remember how older metalheads hated it and didn't even regard it as music. Sad to see things come full circle.
Honestly, if anything, death metal is in a very good state right now. The stuff coming out on just Unique Leaders and 20 Buck Spin alone are enough to keep the genre going, and going forward, for the next 15 years. That's to say nothing of bands like Creeping Death, Tomb Mould, and Gatecreeper who have one eye on the future on the genre BECAUSE they have one eye looking back to its rich history. And Tech Death is in the best state it's been in since around '04 or whenever it was that Necrophagist and Cephalic Carnage broke big. Abnormality, Rivers of Nihil, Psycroptic, Krosis, Cognitive, Revocation, Archspire, Obscura, need I say more? And how about the whole symphonic death metal thing that Sceptic Flesh and Fleshgod Apocalypse are doing? Chris is just upset that the genre has passed him by. And that Seth Putnam of Anal Cunt was always right and "Chris Barnes in a Pussy"
I remember Cattle Decapitation's stories from touring with 6 Feet Under. Barnes doesn't just not help new bands, he actively works against them, even when they go out of their way to give him props.
Meanwhile, Corpsegrinder sounds just as good as ever. Say what you want about Cannibal Corpse, but those guys are hard workers. They're not the most innovative group ever, but they do what they do exceptionally well.
@@tubadude07 early CC had plenty of killer hooks and memorable refrains, in every album you can easily identify 3-4 songs which became classics of the band's repertoire. Somehow that got lost when Fisher joined them. You can tell that by the reactions of the crowd during gigs, the old stuff always drives people insane.
@@OldSchoolMetalVinyl so wrong, Corpsegrinder CC has plenty of hooks and a lot of his song get the crowd moving. Also Phil isn’t racist and that’s coming from a black man
When the last Six Feet Under album came out, Chris Barnes got dunked on hard. Memes, reviews, etc…. He obviously took it personally. I don’t agree with how he dealt with it, but he has a right to fight back. However his way only made him look worse.
This does kind of add some sense to how he's behaving. He's hurt. By anyone and everyone in the scene, because they rejected him and made him feel invalid, unimportant, and ridiculous. He's trying to hide that hurt with hate, and indifference, to the people who made him feel this way. As well as anyone else who could possibly make him feel that way in the future... "Screw em, I don't care about them OR what they think. Never did." Kind of a thing. I can totally relate to this because I used to be like this. ...When I was effing fifteen. So un-metal.... Chris Barnes has feelings, and they got hurted... So he ran away with his panties bunched up, and then used that bunch to blow his nose, and wipe away his delicate tears. What a flower. Corpsegrinder would never get all bunched up and pull a "I HATE YOU! I HATE ALL OF YOU!!!!" clown ass move. Chris needs to go back to doing what he does best.... Sheltering animals. AND Harboring the birth of.. sons of... Christian deities.... Along with all the other Barns! Barns don't talk Chris! They just exist as inanimate structures! ....Barns are generally portrayed as being red though, so I guess that fits his little tantrum induced attitude quite well... Another reason! Barns - 2 Barnes - 0 Corpsegrinder - 69
Chris Barnes used to be metal but then they changed what metal was and now what Barnes is isn't metal and what is metal is weird and scary to him *and the same will happen to you!*
Shout-out to Jamey Jasta for being the adult in the room. If Barnes actually cared about Death Metal he'd be lifting the bands he likes up rather than only putting the bands he hates down.
Barnes came up in a time before there were really technique screamers/growlers. I think he probably just messed up his voice over the years. He did pretty much invent the lower than low subhuman vocal approach and way before the zen of screaming melissa cross thing and all the healthy vocals really were around. His vocal decline is sort of understandable to me, however the terrible music of six feet under is unforgivable. You could still have sick riffs. The SFU record with Robb from chimaira on it is pretty awesome. Definitely worth a listen.
SFU's vocals are so fucking bad that it's completely unsalvageable even if you get like Murphy i DiGorgio to play for you. You can have bad vocals if they at least somewhat fit the music, most of hardcore functions like that (Rollins era Black Flag and Fugazi come to mind). But Chris Barnes' vocals would fit absolutely nowhere except a low budget Tom Waits parody band
I met a lot classic metal dudes that uironically said things like "There is no good metal after 1980", because for them even Thrash, Power o Death metal weren't "real metal", but "new garbage". That was funny to watch on various groups. Thrash and Death guys talking shit in Nu metal and Metalcore generation and those Classic Metal guys doing the same with Thrash and Death fans.
There always have been that people for each genre and subgenre and decade of the music, probably since the early days of blues or charleston or maybe the ancient Greeks 😄
The guy from Mortician was doing super low growls even before Barnes, not to mention the grindcore crowd. IMO his greatest achievement was his lyrics. Sick, perverted, and hilariously misogynistic. Comparing Corpsegrinder era lyrics to Barnes's is like comparing a CGI-filled, PG-13 modern slasher movie to 1992's Dead Alive.
The first Cannibal Corpse album I ever bought was Vile, the first with Corpsegrinder on vocals and with the intro track being Devoured By Vermin... after hearing that famous intro, it was basically impossible to get into Chris Barnes's vocals. Not only did I like Corpsegrinder's lows much better, but could enunciate his words much much better than everyone else in death metal at that time.
Sucks knowing Chris might be like that. Huge influence for me. I loved cannibal corpse and six feet under (at least the first 2 or 3 albums of six feet).
Corpsegrinder is one of the best DM singers in the scene next to Glen Benton from Deicide. Benton did a great job both with Deicide and Vital Remains. It sounds like Age, and vocal chord took its toll on Barnes.
even if his voice has weakened, his vocal hooks are so awesome, probably the best in the genre, the bleeding has some of the most catchy and memorable songs of any death act, apart from that you can’t deny he found his own identity in extreme music, a unique voice, along with tardy, grinder, Benton and Vincent
@@feroxk.9266 He knows .That is why he is bitter, understandable but shit you just gotta go to roots , break out of the rut he is in .Get his voice Stronger .Barnes just again bitter .
Recently I've been listening to SFU . I kinda stopped listening to CC and SFU past years bc so much good music literally comes out every day . And I heard CC so damn much growing up . After CC's new album I got back into them and heard most of the Discography from Corpse grinder's contributions and I will say Vile, Bloodthirst ,Gore obsessed, and The wretched spawn are fucking awesome . Now with SFU the only album I ever listened to and got into growing up was maximum violence. I just never listened to any other SFU until now . In the comments I read True Carnage he went back to his old growls so I had to find out and that album and Haunted are amazing hope I hate that word I would like on the next SFU they put out an AMAZING record and the it's like a revival of SFU that kicked ass kinda like what CC are in right now. Maybe Barnes can look into Melissa Cross etc like alot of metal vocalists do get his voice back get that fire lit and piss and vinegar boiling in SIX FEET UNDER like when they 1st started out . Maybe a working title for the next album could be REBORN IN THE GRAVE something like that P.S .....I THINK WE NEED A NEW SLAYER ALBUM TOO ...A THRASHER ONE TOO.. I THINK THEY STILL GOT SOME FIRE LEFT . HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM KING LATELY .NEW EXODUS BAD ASS. . I think Barnes and King be good side project also .
@@feroxk.9266 Age is not that big of a problem just look ad dudes like Dave Ingram just check out the last Benediction Album or the one he did with Just Before Dawn
@@mrn234 its more like the era he grew up and everything that comes with it. some stuff of the current time is just .... well.... cringe? ^^ he sure as hell is a tad off the mark tho.
Chris Barnes should only be allowed to comment on modern death metal when he contributes something to it OTHER than some god-awful Judas Priest & AC/DC karaoke and literal cookie monster gutturals.
Barne's has been diminishing his legacy for quite a while. He could basically be one of those black metal dudes that lives in the forest while making the most lo-fi treble (heavy?) noise possible. Except he goes out to annoy the neighbours. On the other hand Corpsegrinder is the best dude ever. Every time we've talked it's been such an awesome experience to nerd out with another nerd. Especially when we were in Disney World. Dude loves Disney. It's pretty awesome.
George is the finest example of "never judge a book by its cover" The man legit looks like he could kill you with just 1 hand, but in reality is the total opposite
@C J B Welcome to the commodification of your childhood thanks to Reagan and his head of the FCC, Mark Fowler. In the late 60's it was made illegal to show advertisements for products marketed towards children during children's programming because of the "Pester Factor." Yep, there's a term for it. The person that can influence household decisions (where to eat, vacation, shop) is the one that won't shut the fuck about it AKA the Pest AKA children. Mark Fowler changed that. Open the floodgates. Businesses could now market to children during their cartoons and then came He-Man. Toys were developed based on children's shows for ages (Topo Gigio for example) but He-Man changed the game. The show (1983) was so popular it boosted the sales of the toys (1981) and manufacturers took notice. Money that was generally pushed toward adult marketing campaigns now dumped it into children's toys. Another product that followed in this same vein was Care Bears. The toys were modelled after a line of greeting cards. Initially they were successful but in 1985 a Care Bears cartoon was developed. Care Bears were stuffed down the throats of every parent. Transformers. GoBots. Cabbage Patch Kids. Pound Puppies. My Little Pony. Polly Pocket and Mighty Max. G.I. Joe. Everything people hold sacred was designed to do nothing but take your money. Now, ads are geared towards tribalism. RealTree Camo. Crocs. Carhartt. Lululemon. The Trump Store. The myriad of bootleg Obama shirts that fed untold families just prior to and for ten years after the 2008 election. The Thin Blue/Red/Gold/White Line. Hell, breast cancer and LGBTQ+ geared products are often priced higher than the same product without the branding. I saw two guys strike up a conversation and cling to each other like best friends after going through security at the same time because they both had the same Tumi x McLaren International carryon bag. From that one bag they determined the other person was safe and were literally trying the sit next to each in first class where we all were seated. I was wearing a Pig Destroyer shirt at Cleveland-Hopkins last week and saw another dude wearing a Whitechapel shirt. I gave him the slight nod. He beelined towards me. Tribalism. On another note, whenever Cannibal Corpse comes through I get a guest pass and hang on the bus and side stage during the show. All I have to do is bring a bottle of bourbon from my buddy's shop that is specific to our AZ market. The power of being a Disney/Metal nerd.
It's sad when people of a certain age, turn into the Metal Amish. As a 95 year old, I'm still in awe of the talent and music from younger generations. In fact I'm jealous of those skills at times!
Hey Finn I 100% agree. Find myself don't do a lot of social media nor do I try to be in the limelight I stay with a low profile I don't even have Facebook and only Instagram I rarely ever make post on RUclips videos but you pretty much hit the nail on the head with this video. When I saw the Chris Barnes circus going on in the media I couldn't help but think why would he blatantly come out and attack the entire scene. Obviously he's got issues and I think those issues have to do personally with George. But taking his personal issues out on the entire scene was uncalled for. He should realize his position in the scene as being one of the originators, and you're absolutely right he comes across as a bitter old man. It's sad when I see my peers who are clearly in their 40s and even 50s acting like junior high schoolers. I myself like I said don't actively promote new bands but there are many great new bands out there that should not be ignored. And yes right now they're sort of is a Resurgence of this old school style sound and that should be something that people like Chris Barnes should be proud of not s******* on.
He's not saying it in black and white, but what he means and what his issue is, is that the scene isn't full of scumbags and unrepentant assholes anymore. Trevor, Jasta. Chase, etc, are all great guys with progressive mentalities. That's Barnes' issue: he wants to remain scumbag extraordinar and corner the market on edge lord behavior. Death metal is established and doesn't create a "reaction" anymore, and that's his issue. Mic drop.
Not sure if I fully agree with this; the people from the 'old guard' of death metal seem like pretty chill guys. They're cool taking newer bands out on tour and stuff like that. People like Chris Barnes are the exception, not the rule.
@@skippy8696 When I think of old school death metal assholes the only name that readily comes to mind is Glen Benton. I met the guy. He's as big a fucking dick as we all have heard for 30+ years.
You nailed it when you said death metal is really having a killer revival right now. Decades of generic mall metalcore and overproduced/emotionless djent has drawn older heads back to death metal and new fans seeking something that’s raw and actually heavy.
Need to get the production back to raw, analog sounds though. Guitars sound like perfectly manicured shards of robotic noise, and drums sound programmed. Not one rimshot out of place.
@@psychedelicfright85 I agree. I can’t stand the production of the “modern” sounding death metal bands. It’s way over polished and all the bands sound the same. However, there are a lot of bands with the raw old school death metal and Swedish sounds that are killing it.
Could not agree more. I hate seeing old heads hate on everything and anything that’s happened since they stoped caring. Like music didn’t stop in 1987 when you graduated high school man. There’s lots of dope new stuff.
So glad you mentioned Frozen Soul, saw them in Pittsburgh this winter and it was fucking insane. You should definitely look into them. Out of all the new DM bands, they have arguably the best face-value packaging of anyone. The Icee bear snowboarding with death metal font on his shirt was by far the best shirt in the venue that night.
I love early SFU. There were definitely traces of this on early albums though. I'm going to bet it's a combination of bad "posture" when it comes to vocals and smoking. There's been a lot of advancements in how we understand growling and screaming "safely" and it basically all happened after Chris. And Chris might be one of the biggest potheads in metal 🤣 so add 30+ years of habitual smoking with "bad" technique, and I am not surprised at all that it's been slowly degrading...
You can even hear some of that "bad sound" of vocals in their first track The Enemy Inside on Haunted. Some other good early examples: 4:20 and "Revenge of the Zombie" from Warpath and "Feasting on the Blood of the Insane" and "This Graveyard Earth" from Maximum Carnage. It used to be an "accent" used to like compliment his normal growling, but it's kind of switched over time.
I met Chris twice as a person I thought he was totally down to earth someone I would down a beer with ,as a singer he was the highest selling death .etal singer for a long time ...his vocals just did what any overused vocal cords do ,but you can't deny his contribution to metal is legendary...let's see how many albums these keyboard warrior's on you tube critic roster sell
Thanks for standing up for Chris. Remember old six feet under albums with the 80s quick dance beat, and on the back it said this album must be played loud. He invented weed metal, cannibal corpse, a whole new sound, only the last few albums were not my thing, but everything up till then has been continuously innovative and there are a good handful of flawless 6ft under albums that nobody will hear just to hate on Chris now. Perhaps he's right - about 90% of the hoards of new bands are just OK, or mediocre - no dynamic - while there's a good 10% that these dudes are saying represents all of metal. In every genre 10% are perfect 90% are all hype. Sorry for ranting on.....
@@BirdOfHermes83 bands like Bolt Thrower, Lamb of God, Knocked Loose, Cannibal Corpse (of course), Suicide Silence (Mitch Stuff), and a plethora of other bands.
lmao my dad told me about a dude he was stationed with in the Army in Korea who was obsessed with Tomb of the mutilated. That same man was also discharged for trying to build explosives
The "don't be like" supergroup of Taylor Swift, Adele, and Chris Barnes would be an interesting listen. Your story of not wanting to be the old guy telling all the kids their music sucks reminds me of something my friend told me about Leonard Bernstein. He hosted a TV miniseries program in 1967 called "Inside Pop: The Rock Revolution" basically explaining the emergence of 60s rock music and was the first famous classical composer to promote the artistic merit of the genre. We need more Leonard Bernsteins.
The '60s had more mainstream styles than today and in 1967, there were several famous artists in those styles at that point. Doing it today, even Hot 100 acts are mostly underground to most people. Maybe Adele and Taylor Swift are the only two household name active artists right now. There is also no music explosion right now. The youngest genre is probably 30 years old.
gatecreeper rules, i don’t even really like death metal but i had a great time during their set when they opened for knocked loose, they absolutely crushed it
Just scene gate creeper with obituary gotta say they weren't that great being in the scene since it started I can say metal has changed alot but one thing remains the style has been done along time ago your just copying which is ok but don't act like you came up with it no your place
I remember sending my mum to Our Price records when Tomb of the Mutilated came out because the owner wouldn't sell the explicit stuff to thirteen year olds (like I was). He twigged my mum wasn't a Cannibal Corpse fan and she said it was for her teenage son. The record store owner showed her some of the lyrics. So I didn't get my CD and Cannibal Corpse were on a black list in my house. But the record store didn't get my fifteen quid either. This story has nothing to do with the video, just a little memory of my miserable teenage years.
And it likely made you want it more and thus cemented your will toward listening to cannibal corpse despite that store owner's effort to do what he thought was virtuous. His actions basically ensured the opposite of what he intended. Hahaha
Damn parents like that ... When i was younger my mum never really liked that i started with extreme metal (ok she didnt even liked that i listen to Rammstein because we are german and she understands the lyrics) but she accepted it.
When me and my friends were 14 year old metal heads discovering the genre, we were into Cannibal corpse. I remember my friends brother showing us the 6 feet under ACDC cover album and him saying it was cannibals old singer. We laughed and laughed and made fun of the TNT 6 feet under cover for fucking ever. At 14 we knew how jacked up his voice was.
A homie of mine put on some 6 feet under at a party over a decade ago and I remember laughing my ass off at how bad the vocals were. Then he told me it was Chris barnes and I was in utter disbelief hahah. Maybe Seth Putnam was right all along
This is the basic Six Feet Under timeline: First 3 albums are neat and interesting, they went to crap for a bit, then suddenly Barnes sounded better again with members of Cannabis Corpse (Municipal Waste) in his band. But he kicked em out and started to sound like crap again.
Good stuff, man! For a while I was trying to push punk/hardcore shit on my one son, but he just wasn’t into it. But as time progressed, he started really getting into EDM other electronic genres because of video games. Over the last six months or so, he’s been making his own music and my initial reaction was to buck against it, but I’ve just tried to encourage him to keep creating… keep discovering. It’s been really cool because even though I’m not crazy about electronic music, it’s become a way of bonding because I’m letting him be himself. 🤙🏻
I've never interacted with Chris Barnes but back when I was active in music, every band and promoter I met who had interacted with him always said he was the worst to have to work with in whatever capacity. Maybe he's just misunderstood, idk.
@@pip7967 Yeah I wasn't being completely facetious with saying that he might be misunderstood. Without name-dropping, I'll say a certain Myspace celebrity who sang for a very popular Christian metalcore band at the time had a reputation for being a stuck up diva, but when I toured with them he was an absolute sweetheart. So I can totally see how public perception can get out of control.
Finn touched on something I don’t hear a lot of people talk about. That mid 2000s Headbangers Ball. Obviously doesn’t have the prestige that the original run of the show had, but that exposed me to a lot of music when I was a kid that I otherwise never would have heard. Them videos would scare the shit out of me too lol.
Jasta era Headbangers Ball was extremely influential on me. I was already into metal and discovering new bands, but nothing I was into at the time compared to some of the bands they were covering. I bought all of the Headbanger's Ball CD compilations as they came out and absolutely loved every second of that programming.
i'm sure he doesn't even know what's actually going in the scene and hasn't listened to any of the bands in the roundtable, he is just eternally malding that his band isn't the biggest thing in the genre and will never admit that maybe the reason why it isn't is in large part due to himself. "i hate what the scene has become" = "i hate that the scene doesn't revolve around me" in Barnes' brain. also, Undeath is so fun. excited for the new album.
Serious question: what does it even mean to be part of the scene these days? (Old man vioce: “back in my day, it meant hanging out at (insert name of dive bar serving as music venue)” or similar). But what’s your take on being part of the scene in 2022? Is it online presence, being an artists/creator? What’s your take?
Great video. I hate to admit it, but a few years back when i was in my early 20's, I was definitely one of those assholes for a brief period of time. For example, I remember discounting Bring Me The Horizon when they released That's the Spirit because "ugh, they're just trying to stay relevant. Count Your Blessings was their good shit. Fuck new stuff." But, after a bit I realized that the only person I was hurting by being closed-minded was myself and now, I LOVE That's the Spirit and especially Amo! I can always go back to Suicide Season if I want, and now they also have pop stuff I can enjoy too when I'm in the mood. Ultimately, you are correct, nobody is required to promote new stuff or enjoy new music, but you're only hurting yourself by boxing yourself in like I used to. There's a slot of great stuff out there and change can be a great thing if we seek it out. I mean, without Amo, we don't get Kingslayer, which is one of the best songs I've heard in a while. Love your stuff, bro.
@@andrewscottgreer Hey, that's your right to have that opinion for sure, but a lot of people like them too. It's good that we all have different opinions though so there's musical diversity out there.
@@andrewscottgreer I would personally disagree, but hey, I'm sure there are plenty of other bands you love! It's so good for bands to have people that criticize them so they can improve, so nobody would improve without detractors. :)
But what does Corey Taylor think about what Chris Barnes thinks about new death metal? In all seriousness, Chris Barnes probably needs a vocal coach if he doesn’t have one already. His death metal vocals now sound dreadful.
Blood Incantation took a swipe at Gatecreeper too calling them music you could find at Target. As a fan of both of those bands it's weird to see, Gatecreeper has some sick grooves and Chase is a good vocalist, I don't understand why accessibility is so scary for death metal.
I'm so glad that Gatecreeper has gotten as big as they have. Tucson has always had a great music scene and it's awesome to see a band from my hometown become super successful. Their guitarist's old band Serows were great too, I saw them play a house show back in 2008 and they went harder than many bands do when playing festivals despite playing in my friend's living room.
I went to a cannibal corpse show at summer slaughter one year and someone in the crowed yelled out to corpsegrinder “where’s Chris Barnes” and he yelled back “he’s at home sitting with his momma junior” lmao
Cannibal Corpse has evolved a lot over the years. They also give the rub to newer acts. Chris Barnes doesn't do shit for modern death metal. Except maybe show everyone what not to do.
This is going to be a round about long, but I’ll get there. On the voice, Chris Conley of saves the day had amazing vocals in the first 2 albums. After the third album, he saw a doctor about his sore throats. The doc said if he didn’t change the way he was signing, he was going to do permanent damage to his vocal chords. It’s possible that Barnes either did do damage to his vocal chords and can no longer do the same sounds, or he had to change to Amir sure he didn’t do damage to his vocal chords. Just a thought.
Barnes is the Death Metal equivalent of an ok boomer meme. He was so good in Cannibal Corpse, it’s amazing how quickly his voice went downhill to the point where he’s now the laughing stock of the genre and he thinks he has the right to criticise the scene? Lol
I saw SFU at one of my first shows in high school back in 2005 at an all ages venue. You can see the signs of apathy back then. Surprised he's still around tbh
This might be me showing my age but I didn't get into Cannibal Corpse until after Corpsegrinder took over vocals and I've always preferred the albums with him on it. Edit: I'd also like to add that I think Undeath and Gatecreeper are the best bands to come into the genre since the Old school bands came out, they deserve tons of respect. Love seeing a WNY band get love. The metal scene outside of NYC has slowly gaining steam for years now and it's about time someone other than ETID got some attention from a national audience.
Chris Barnes was definitely a giant inspiration. When I was in high school I was super closed minded. Death metal was life. PERIOD!! I’m still into playing and writing Metal and do most vocal styles except clean singing. About 10 years ago when one of my first death metal bands was playing with younger bands and they were literally all doing the Djent stuff, I fucking hated it! I was like “do you even need a left hand to be in this band as a guitarist??” Hence, me still being closed minded in my mid 20’s. Now, there are bands I like that are absolutely not metal for just clean vocals. So, I really like the advice you give about not being the “Chris Barnes” to new and younger generations.
Chris Barnes sounds like a parody of himself. Something broke in that man's throat, and he's in denial. Should've done like all the other old school death people, and learned how to do it without shredding up your entire vocal anatomy. If nothing else, he's a great example of what not to do. Really sad to see his decline over the years.
I don’t get why so many people need to be negative about music in general-you can certainly have opinions but making blanket statements like that is just stupid. Often it means someone isn’t really trying to listen to the new stuff.
Chris's work was phenomenal, I think he's just sorta bitter about everything still. Also I think his voice is gone, I don't think he's taken the best care of himself over the years. Much respect to him still for what he was.
Chris Barnes looks and acts exactly like that one friend from high school that never did anything but smoke weed all day. He just never grew up. Like, dude, there's so much more to life than striving to be a burnout. Barnes is close to, if not already in, his 60's. The wacky tobaccy isn't a fountain of youth. He drank the Kool-Aid and is a Florida Man. I feel so sad. It's like idolizing Jared from Subway in 1998 and then fast forwarding to 2010ish. On the bright side, he would make the absolute perfect Marcus Kane if the upcoming Twisted Metal TV series would hire him.
I understand what happened to Chris Barnes' vocals because it happened to mine too. I used to be a really brutal, sick death metal singer. But after like 20 years, my voice just broke down in a very similar way to Barnes'.
I like the comment “I thought you guys were into music”. It’s so true, so many of these people like music, or do they like feeling like they did when they heard the music when they were young? It’s awesome how you have keep up with new music, and I hope to do the same in a few years, not just reliving high school.
I remember digging Six Feet Under when I was in middle school. They were part of the groovier side of death metal (like World Demise-era Obituary). They went downhill pretty fast, though. And Barnes' vocals remind me of crusty, old wiener dogs who try to bark all loud but sound like they're hawking up phlegm.
This reminds me so of a situation when I was in a bar wearing a Meshuggah shirt. This older guy (who is heavily into Iron Maiden) I knew came up to me. and asked "Why are you promoting nu-metal with that shirt?". I ofcourse explained that Meshuggah is not nu-metal. But for him al the new (Meshuggah was actually not that new... but hey...) bands where the same. He started ask me question of older bands like "who is the singer of Iron Maiden, who is the guitar player of Pantera" (he seemed to like them), and a bunch more question which I could all answer, because I am well educated when it comes to old and new stuff. He was frustrated about it, and thought it was interesting to smash a glas of beer in my face. Really... some fans...
Jesus Christ, when I saw Corpse during "Tomb of the mutilated" and "Vile" shit was brutal. Not as vicious as mid 90s hardcore ninja pits but definitely seen a few ambulances at Corpse shows. Also... Six Feet Under's Back in Black album...
I agree, I like SFU, everything they' ve done, but that's not cool to slag new bands like that, especially killer ones like Gatecreeper. I'm gonna turn 50 in a few days and I do like a lot of new bands. Lot of them are into old-school stuff and sound just right. Some modern stuff I dig, some I don't, but why talk shit? I just ignore the stuff I don't like and concentrate on the one I do, that's all.
I think in Chris Barnes case it goes beyond old school vs new school. This roundtable had Corpsegrinder, who not only successfully replaced Chris Barnes, but also just released a successful solo album. Corpsegrinder is well liked and has been for awhile. People have forgotten about Barnes for many years now and this little tirade is most relevant he's been since Graveyard Classics 2 in 2004. I still remember the sad interview Chris Barnes did immediately after getting fired from Cannibal Corpse in 1995. It's a very sad MTV interview on Headbangers Ball that was supposed to be about a new side project called Six Feet Under, which during the interview Barnes announced that would be his primary band and then he got asked about being fired. It was super sad and awkward and I felt bad for Barnes. Bottom line Chris Barnes never got over being fired from Cannibal Corpse and while he continues to decline, things keep looking up for Corpsegrinder. It's really sad. If Glen Benton were on that roundtable instead of Corpsegrinder, I doubt Barnes would have even watched it, let alone commented.
The Rick Ta Life of Death Metal. Also I think a big part of the DM resurgence right now is that it has a lot of hc influence. Gatecreeper opened for Knocked Loose. 200 Stab Wounds played Pain of Truth, God’s Hate, and Knocked Loose’s record release shows. Undeath, 200SW, and Phobophilic are playing LDB Fest. Kruelty played FYA Fest. Hardcore kids are dancing and two stepping to dm. It’s really riding the wave that hardcore has been on for the past couple of years.
When cannibal first came out they were original, that's why they stuck out. Between his low as all hell vocals plus they were the first to go all out gore, you knew what they were about. Alot respect for chris.
He ain't making death metal and he put a snippet of a song in a video where he's reacting to an isolated part out of context yet he put a whole song for the other band. It's like the news today that's what they do take things out of context for a headline. I like Finn but he's not doing more for death metal until he makes his own album. listen to nightmares of the decomposed all the way through and give it a chance . Read the lyrics it's fucking dope man.
So u think one video amounts to all the work he has done on cannibal corpse and six feet under and even featuring on cannabis corpse, torturing his throat like that and writing lyrics. Yea sure has done alot more sitting in his room making commentary 😂
@@humanbutchery9412 Relax brotha. My point is that as a 40 y.o. Death Metal fan, I grew up on bands like Corpse Barnes and other bands like Morbid Angel, Obituary, and Deicide...then I kinda grew out of it just like I grew out of Bullhead Jeans and Trucker Shirts. This videos, the songs, hell even the band names brought me back to a place I hadn't thought of in 20 years...it's a great place to be back to! 🤘
I went to see Six Feet Under at an all ages club once. Sworn Enemy opened. The place was packed and kids were going wild for Sworn Enemy. Then SFU hit the the stage and it was just me and about a dozen old biker dudes that stayed around for them. It was kinda sad. Barnes is beyond washed up.
You played his vocals and my instant thought was Strongbad's Trogdor. "Trogdor was a man. I mean he was a dragon man... Or maybe he was just a dragon."
Sure its a bit of aging process and lots of smoking but maybe he just got bored with being just death metal singer like Chuck (Death) did, Opeth frontman did and many others did. He always sang with character not just something technical and he still does that. One of the best. What you hear as broken voice is just his present flavour (and former) . He is like death metal rapper. Cool then and cool now.
“Are they the most innovative original band in the world? Probably not.” I would disagree since they made Death Metal what it was, became and is. They have stayed the course and still deliver what their fans like to this day. They were so out there in the late 80s early 90s they shaped the scene, they took it to another level. Innovative? Take what was the thrashy beginnings of DM and make it heavy and gory AF- check. Original? Be the first to do it, take it to a worldwide scale, have tons of bands follow in your bloody footprints-check.
Barnes is amazing and many can't comprehend his genius and direction, you see, upon listening to all SFU and CC albums over the years you come to realize that regardless of the monstrous instrumentation, the quality of recording per studio the vocals and overall sound Barnes has produced, he has never been able to truly deliver the 100% true sound that he'd like you to hear, the music within his mind, same can be said with just about any artist but with Chris the instruments and the musicians required to produce this sound do not exist which would explain his frustrations in the 90s when they were getting big the quarrels and disagreements that CC had with Barnes where he wanted the band to keep on the controversial route by being raw and visceral more explicit lyrics and the like, the other members wanted to refine a more solid consistent sound that would be less abrasive to audiences ultimately they went the less abrasive route and Barnes went his own way with SFU where he could attempt to create the sound he wanted, his compositions are on another level and it'll probably take decades for people to finally hear it, and you can't blame him for being a bit salty when no one's able to relate to your direction
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Still loving the content. Keep it up and keep your opinions as the driving force. I love your taste and you introduce me to new artists regularly and bring your specific tastes to the table. It's makes me sad that level headed thought out opinions and ideas and cast to the side in the world we live in.
Hey Finn. Could it be that some bands who've been in the game longer than others are just annoyed who are annoyed to see others who've maybe have not been in it as long get the credit or title before the others who deserve ot more ? Could some of the bands have reasons to be upset?
@@hawkc31 Time does not equal value.
@@dan.r9220 I get that but you can understand why some of these bands can be a little not happy. I get it that no one owes you anything but there is some validity to a certain degree.
But finn.. ace ventura.. pet detective
As I've said before, Chris Barnes went from being one of the most brutal death metal vocalists ever to my drunk uncle at karaoke singing about politics
So death metal politics? 🤔
@@BirdOfHermes83 precisely
So Grindcore
How the fuck was classic Cannibal Corpse vocals brutal? Like even with the example he showed I dont see what was impressive? Maybe I'm missing something but I find Carcass and Obituary vocals far better and more brutal.
@@mistertagomago7974 you are such a contrarian. Every obituary song ever released sounds identical lol
Chris Barnes seems like one of those crazy neighborhood old guys like , “oh no the ball went into old man Barnes’ yard” You’d have to hurry before he came out chased you with a stick.
In my neighborhood, replaced "stick" with "edged instrument" or "firearm"
As it surely should be. Best comment on here. A complement really.
Well said! To Barnes's credit.
KEKW
"Run the old man is chasing us screaming EEEEEEE again!"
This guy is the epitome of the old man screaming at the clouds. Sure he’s got the history and legacy in the scene but his recent performances have been horrendous so he’s the last person who should be talking about what’s good about the current state of death metal.
It's a shame because Tomb of the Mutilated was my introduction to Cannibal Corpse. It blew my young mind at the time. I also remember how older metalheads hated it and didn't even regard it as music. Sad to see things come full circle.
old man rasping at clouds.
Honestly, if anything, death metal is in a very good state right now. The stuff coming out on just Unique Leaders and 20 Buck Spin alone are enough to keep the genre going, and going forward, for the next 15 years. That's to say nothing of bands like Creeping Death, Tomb Mould, and Gatecreeper who have one eye on the future on the genre BECAUSE they have one eye looking back to its rich history. And Tech Death is in the best state it's been in since around '04 or whenever it was that Necrophagist and Cephalic Carnage broke big. Abnormality, Rivers of Nihil, Psycroptic, Krosis, Cognitive, Revocation, Archspire, Obscura, need I say more? And how about the whole symphonic death metal thing that Sceptic Flesh and Fleshgod Apocalypse are doing? Chris is just upset that the genre has passed him by. And that Seth Putnam of Anal Cunt was always right and "Chris Barnes in a Pussy"
Something inside me
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It's overproduced and fake sounding. Drumming especially, sounds unnatural. I've never cared much for SFU either though.
I remember Cattle Decapitation's stories from touring with 6 Feet Under. Barnes doesn't just not help new bands, he actively works against them, even when they go out of their way to give him props.
I believe Barnes punched one of he guys from CD as well due to a dispute in the selling of merchandise.
lol that is insane please share more stories lol@@israelmunoz4816
Meanwhile, Corpsegrinder sounds just as good as ever.
Say what you want about Cannibal Corpse, but those guys are hard workers. They're not the most innovative group ever, but they do what they do exceptionally well.
Post-Barnes CC is the epitome of generic riffsalad death metal without songs that stand out.
@@OldSchoolMetalVinyl Care to elaborate?
@@tubadude07 early CC had plenty of killer hooks and memorable refrains, in every album you can easily identify 3-4 songs which became classics of the band's repertoire. Somehow that got lost when Fisher joined them. You can tell that by the reactions of the crowd during gigs, the old stuff always drives people insane.
@@OldSchoolMetalVinyl the new album Violence Unimagined is one of CC best. Erik Rutan really got them going again.
@@OldSchoolMetalVinyl so wrong, Corpsegrinder CC has plenty of hooks and a lot of his song get the crowd moving. Also Phil isn’t racist and that’s coming from a black man
When the last Six Feet Under album came out, Chris Barnes got dunked on hard. Memes, reviews, etc…. He obviously took it personally. I don’t agree with how he dealt with it, but he has a right to fight back. However his way only made him look worse.
This does kind of add some sense to how he's behaving. He's hurt. By anyone and everyone in the scene, because they rejected him and made him feel invalid, unimportant, and ridiculous.
He's trying to hide that hurt with hate, and indifference, to the people who made him feel this way. As well as anyone else who could possibly make him feel that way in the future... "Screw em, I don't care about them OR what they think. Never did." Kind of a thing.
I can totally relate to this because I used to be like this.
...When I was effing fifteen.
So un-metal.... Chris Barnes has feelings, and they got hurted... So he ran away with his panties bunched up, and then used that bunch to blow his nose, and wipe away his delicate tears.
What a flower. Corpsegrinder would never get all bunched up and pull a "I HATE YOU! I HATE ALL OF YOU!!!!" clown ass move.
Chris needs to go back to doing what he does best....
Sheltering animals.
AND
Harboring the birth of.. sons of... Christian deities....
Along with all the other Barns!
Barns don't talk Chris! They just exist as inanimate structures!
....Barns are generally portrayed as being red though, so I guess that fits his little tantrum induced attitude quite well... Another reason!
Barns - 2
Barnes - 0
Corpsegrinder - 69
Maybe he should have proved everyone wrong & made good killer music instead of the trash he put out for 25 years
"You fight for life, breathe, hanging from the rope, the body just twitches there. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
Chris Barnes used to be metal but then they changed what metal was and now what Barnes is isn't metal and what is metal is weird and scary to him *and the same will happen to you!*
ha yeah right
hey why are you pointing at me
It's from The Simpsons:
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Fantastic comment
@@Scrinwaipwr I tried to remember the line but I fucked up
Shout-out to Jamey Jasta for being the adult in the room. If Barnes actually cared about Death Metal he'd be lifting the bands he likes up rather than only putting the bands he hates down.
Happy death metal… 🤡🤌🤫
And imagine picking Corpsegrinder and Trevor Strnad of all people to hate...
@@abdo19code CorpseGrinder is a big nerd, and that's why i love him, apart of his killer vocals
@@itsdokko2990 seriously and he still has His voice too so lol No hate on Chris but he fucked up his voice fr 🤣
Barnes came up in a time before there were really technique screamers/growlers. I think he probably just messed up his voice over the years. He did pretty much invent the lower than low subhuman vocal approach and way before the zen of screaming melissa cross thing and all the healthy vocals really were around. His vocal decline is sort of understandable to me, however the terrible music of six feet under is unforgivable. You could still have sick riffs. The SFU record with Robb from chimaira on it is pretty awesome. Definitely worth a listen.
First 2 albums are still good imo. 👍🏼
SFU's vocals are so fucking bad that it's completely unsalvageable even if you get like Murphy i DiGorgio to play for you. You can have bad vocals if they at least somewhat fit the music, most of hardcore functions like that (Rollins era Black Flag and Fugazi come to mind). But Chris Barnes' vocals would fit absolutely nowhere except a low budget Tom Waits parody band
@@Kevin-uz6sv yep Haunting and Warpath are great. Maximum Violence is good too. Beyond that 🤮
Weed also helped ruin his voice
Then explain Corpse Grinder. Cause he is from the same time. He fcked his throat up with weed.
I met a lot classic metal dudes that uironically said things like "There is no good metal after 1980", because for them even Thrash, Power o Death metal weren't "real metal", but "new garbage". That was funny to watch on various groups. Thrash and Death guys talking shit in Nu metal and Metalcore generation and those Classic Metal guys doing the same with Thrash and Death fans.
There always have been that people for each genre and subgenre and decade of the music, probably since the early days of blues or charleston or maybe the ancient Greeks 😄
Only thing Chris Barnes has achieved for death metal is the standard for low growls in old days & how NOT to do vocals in the current time.
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. earliest form of pig squeel tho. it just sounds liek shite today lol
why his old vox are a billion times better then new age scream core wanna be death metal
The guy from Mortician was doing super low growls even before Barnes, not to mention the grindcore crowd. IMO his greatest achievement was his lyrics. Sick, perverted, and hilariously misogynistic. Comparing Corpsegrinder era lyrics to Barnes's is like comparing a CGI-filled, PG-13 modern slasher movie to 1992's Dead Alive.
Chris is a legend. He is a death metal God. A genre that he helped innovate along Chuck Schuldiner and he has the right to feel the way he feels.
The first Cannibal Corpse album I ever bought was Vile, the first with Corpsegrinder on vocals and with the intro track being Devoured By Vermin... after hearing that famous intro, it was basically impossible to get into Chris Barnes's vocals. Not only did I like Corpsegrinder's lows much better, but could enunciate his words much much better than everyone else in death metal at that time.
I first heard Kill, what a damn impression that made
I like Corpsegrinder better too but I did enjoy Barnes in early CC too
Barnes era corpse is the best era corpse.
That scream is monumental!!!!
@@bassacre to each.. though their first few albums are legendary I'd have to say 25 years of George is hard to compete with too😄😅
Sucks knowing Chris might be like that. Huge influence for me. I loved cannibal corpse and six feet under (at least the first 2 or 3 albums of six feet).
Corpsegrinder is one of the best DM singers in the scene next to Glen Benton from Deicide. Benton did a great job both with Deicide and Vital Remains. It sounds like Age, and vocal chord took its toll on Barnes.
Exactly dude..Glenn is much better than corpsegrinder..or maybe deathcore vocals nowadays😅😅😅
If the dude could have gone one morning without hitting a dab rig for breakfast he might have been able to save himself 20 years ago
The examples of chris barnes vocals sound like a before and after in the wrong order
even if his voice has weakened, his vocal hooks are so awesome, probably the best in the genre, the bleeding has some of the most catchy and memorable songs of any death act, apart from that you can’t deny he found his own identity in extreme music, a unique voice, along with tardy, grinder, Benton and Vincent
that was 94 tho...
@@at0micl0bster yeah so what I was born in 93 and started listening to them in 2009 and I can agree.
A.C. called Chris Barnes' bluff back in '99, I don't know why he's still trying. I will admit that SFU's Graveyard Classics was pretty fun in the day.
I just wrote a similar comment 😂 Seth was right
Came here to post this. Seth was ahead of the curve
He blew his voice out. Years of not lyrically training. I think his vocals have a place somewhere in metal. Maybe as featured?
the dude just got old. just a bit natural for his voice to let up after doing this for so long. what he really lacks is self awareness of it.
@@feroxk.9266 He knows .That is why he is bitter, understandable but shit you just gotta go to roots , break out of the rut he is in .Get his voice Stronger .Barnes just again bitter .
Recently I've been listening to SFU . I kinda stopped listening to CC and SFU past years bc so much good music literally comes out every day . And I heard CC so damn much growing up . After CC's new album I got back into them and heard most of the Discography from Corpse grinder's contributions and I will say Vile, Bloodthirst ,Gore obsessed, and The wretched spawn are fucking awesome . Now with SFU the only album I ever listened to and got into growing up was maximum violence. I just never listened to any other SFU until now . In the comments I read True Carnage he went back to his old growls so I had to find out and that album and Haunted are amazing hope I hate that word I would like on the next SFU they put out an AMAZING record and the it's like a revival of SFU that kicked ass kinda like what CC are in right now. Maybe Barnes can look into Melissa Cross etc like alot of metal vocalists do get his voice back get that fire lit and piss and vinegar boiling in SIX FEET UNDER like when they 1st started out . Maybe a working title for the next album could be REBORN IN THE GRAVE something like that
P.S .....I THINK WE NEED A NEW SLAYER ALBUM TOO ...A THRASHER ONE TOO.. I THINK THEY STILL GOT SOME FIRE LEFT . HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM KING LATELY .NEW EXODUS BAD ASS. . I think Barnes and King be good side project also .
@@feroxk.9266 Age is not that big of a problem just look ad dudes like Dave Ingram just check out the last Benediction Album or the one he did with Just Before Dawn
@@mrn234 its more like the era he grew up and everything that comes with it. some stuff of the current time is just .... well.... cringe? ^^ he sure as hell is a tad off the mark tho.
Chris Barnes should only be allowed to comment on modern death metal when he contributes something to it OTHER than some god-awful Judas Priest & AC/DC karaoke and literal cookie monster gutturals.
Oh God, his cover of "TNT"? Don't even go there with me.
@@InkAndPoet and that’s one of the *least* offensive ones and it’s still godawful
I'm laughing hysterically laughed at all of your comments yo lol! 🤣 😭
Barne's has been diminishing his legacy for quite a while. He could basically be one of those black metal dudes that lives in the forest while making the most lo-fi treble (heavy?) noise possible. Except he goes out to annoy the neighbours. On the other hand Corpsegrinder is the best dude ever. Every time we've talked it's been such an awesome experience to nerd out with another nerd. Especially when we were in Disney World. Dude loves Disney. It's pretty awesome.
George is the finest example of "never judge a book by its cover" The man legit looks like he could kill you with just 1 hand, but in reality is the total opposite
@C J B Welcome to the commodification of your childhood thanks to Reagan and his head of the FCC, Mark Fowler. In the late 60's it was made illegal to show advertisements for products marketed towards children during children's programming because of the "Pester Factor." Yep, there's a term for it. The person that can influence household decisions (where to eat, vacation, shop) is the one that won't shut the fuck about it AKA the Pest AKA children.
Mark Fowler changed that. Open the floodgates. Businesses could now market to children during their cartoons and then came He-Man. Toys were developed based on children's shows for ages (Topo Gigio for example) but He-Man changed the game. The show (1983) was so popular it boosted the sales of the toys (1981) and manufacturers took notice. Money that was generally pushed toward adult marketing campaigns now dumped it into children's toys.
Another product that followed in this same vein was Care Bears. The toys were modelled after a line of greeting cards. Initially they were successful but in 1985 a Care Bears cartoon was developed. Care Bears were stuffed down the throats of every parent.
Transformers. GoBots. Cabbage Patch Kids. Pound Puppies. My Little Pony. Polly Pocket and Mighty Max. G.I. Joe. Everything people hold sacred was designed to do nothing but take your money.
Now, ads are geared towards tribalism. RealTree Camo. Crocs. Carhartt. Lululemon. The Trump Store. The myriad of bootleg Obama shirts that fed untold families just prior to and for ten years after the 2008 election. The Thin Blue/Red/Gold/White Line. Hell, breast cancer and LGBTQ+ geared products are often priced higher than the same product without the branding.
I saw two guys strike up a conversation and cling to each other like best friends after going through security at the same time because they both had the same Tumi x McLaren International carryon bag. From that one bag they determined the other person was safe and were literally trying the sit next to each in first class where we all were seated.
I was wearing a Pig Destroyer shirt at Cleveland-Hopkins last week and saw another dude wearing a Whitechapel shirt. I gave him the slight nod. He beelined towards me. Tribalism.
On another note, whenever Cannibal Corpse comes through I get a guest pass and hang on the bus and side stage during the show. All I have to do is bring a bottle of bourbon from my buddy's shop that is specific to our AZ market. The power of being a Disney/Metal nerd.
Corpse has a very surprising range too! Listening to his feature on INKs new album and it’s pretty crazy.
It's sad when people of a certain age, turn into the Metal Amish. As a 95 year old, I'm still in awe of the talent and music from younger generations. In fact I'm jealous of those skills at times!
Sure you are 95, im 134 here 😉
It's the tea and scones that keep me looking fresher than a frozen cadaver. Just.
Fucking hell dude good life to ya
Hell yeah brother! Hope a long life for ya!
@@thepredator666qc4 I just turned 69 last week!
Jasta hit the nail on the head too though, he opened his mouth to shit on the guys and then goes "I'm not playing that game"
It's fucking embarrassing
Hey Finn I 100% agree. Find myself don't do a lot of social media nor do I try to be in the limelight I stay with a low profile I don't even have Facebook and only Instagram I rarely ever make post on RUclips videos but you pretty much hit the nail on the head with this video. When I saw the Chris Barnes circus going on in the media I couldn't help but think why would he blatantly come out and attack the entire scene. Obviously he's got issues and I think those issues have to do personally with George. But taking his personal issues out on the entire scene was uncalled for. He should realize his position in the scene as being one of the originators, and you're absolutely right he comes across as a bitter old man. It's sad when I see my peers who are clearly in their 40s and even 50s acting like junior high schoolers. I myself like I said don't actively promote new bands but there are many great new bands out there that should not be ignored.
And yes right now they're sort of is a Resurgence of this old school style sound and that should be something that people like Chris Barnes should be proud of not s******* on.
He's not saying it in black and white, but what he means and what his issue is, is that the scene isn't full of scumbags and unrepentant assholes anymore. Trevor, Jasta. Chase, etc, are all great guys with progressive mentalities. That's Barnes' issue: he wants to remain scumbag extraordinar and corner the market on edge lord behavior. Death metal is established and doesn't create a "reaction" anymore, and that's his issue. Mic drop.
Not sure if I fully agree with this; the people from the 'old guard' of death metal seem like pretty chill guys. They're cool taking newer bands out on tour and stuff like that. People like Chris Barnes are the exception, not the rule.
@@skippy8696
When I think of old school death metal assholes the only name that readily comes to mind is Glen Benton. I met the guy. He's as big a fucking dick as we all have heard for 30+ years.
@@Powermad-bu4em Yeah Benton has always been a chode 😂
Him being a stoner makes that sound unlikely but I liked your comment because I think you're partially right. The guys in DM are all LOW T now.
I think you just wrote mic drop at the end of your comment, you might want to check.
You nailed it when you said death metal is really having a killer revival right now. Decades of generic mall metalcore and overproduced/emotionless djent has drawn older heads back to death metal and new fans seeking something that’s raw and actually heavy.
Need to get the production back to raw, analog sounds though. Guitars sound like perfectly manicured shards of robotic noise, and drums sound programmed. Not one rimshot out of place.
@@psychedelicfright85 I agree. I can’t stand the production of the “modern” sounding death metal bands. It’s way over polished and all the bands sound the same. However, there are a lot of bands with the raw old school death metal and Swedish sounds that are killing it.
Autopsy never changed, they are the truest of 90s style Death Metal.
@@bucknasty69 Blood Incantation and Undeath immediately spring to mind. Undeath's material has that classic Scott Burns-style production to it.
@@ejl1000 Hell yeah both those bands are badass
Could not agree more. I hate seeing old heads hate on everything and anything that’s happened since they stoped caring. Like music didn’t stop in 1987 when you graduated high school man. There’s lots of dope new stuff.
So glad you mentioned Frozen Soul, saw them in Pittsburgh this winter and it was fucking insane. You should definitely look into them. Out of all the new DM bands, they have arguably the best face-value packaging of anyone. The Icee bear snowboarding with death metal font on his shirt was by far the best shirt in the venue that night.
I love early SFU. There were definitely traces of this on early albums though. I'm going to bet it's a combination of bad "posture" when it comes to vocals and smoking. There's been a lot of advancements in how we understand growling and screaming "safely" and it basically all happened after Chris. And Chris might be one of the biggest potheads in metal 🤣 so add 30+ years of habitual smoking with "bad" technique, and I am not surprised at all that it's been slowly degrading...
You can even hear some of that "bad sound" of vocals in their first track The Enemy Inside on Haunted. Some other good early examples: 4:20 and "Revenge of the Zombie" from Warpath and "Feasting on the Blood of the Insane" and "This Graveyard Earth" from Maximum Carnage. It used to be an "accent" used to like compliment his normal growling, but it's kind of switched over time.
I heard that he opens his voice before a show with a fat bong rip. No wonder his vocals have gone to shit.
Throat cancer
I met Chris twice as a person I thought he was totally down to earth someone I would down a beer with ,as a singer he was the highest selling death .etal singer for a long time ...his vocals just did what any overused vocal cords do ,but you can't deny his contribution to metal is legendary...let's see how many albums these keyboard warrior's on you tube critic roster sell
Thanks for standing up for Chris. Remember old six feet under albums with the 80s quick dance beat, and on the back it said this album must be played loud. He invented weed metal, cannibal corpse, a whole new sound, only the last few albums were not my thing, but everything up till then has been continuously innovative and there are a good handful of flawless 6ft under albums that nobody will hear just to hate on Chris now. Perhaps he's right - about 90% of the hoards of new bands are just OK, or mediocre - no dynamic - while there's a good 10% that these dudes are saying represents all of metal. In every genre 10% are perfect 90% are all hype. Sorry for ranting on.....
agree
@@JSTNtheWZRD name some bands that you think would be in that ten percent. I'm curious to see if any of the bands I'm thinking of make it on that list
@@BirdOfHermes83 death metal?
@@BirdOfHermes83 bands like Bolt Thrower, Lamb of God, Knocked Loose, Cannibal Corpse (of course), Suicide Silence (Mitch Stuff), and a plethora of other bands.
lmao my dad told me about a dude he was stationed with in the Army in Korea who was obsessed with Tomb of the mutilated. That same man was also discharged for trying to build explosives
The "don't be like" supergroup of Taylor Swift, Adele, and Chris Barnes would be an interesting listen. Your story of not wanting to be the old guy telling all the kids their music sucks reminds me of something my friend told me about Leonard Bernstein. He hosted a TV miniseries program in 1967 called "Inside Pop: The Rock Revolution" basically explaining the emergence of 60s rock music and was the first famous classical composer to promote the artistic merit of the genre. We need more Leonard Bernsteins.
The '60s had more mainstream styles than today and in 1967, there were several famous artists in those styles at that point. Doing it today, even Hot 100 acts are mostly underground to most people. Maybe Adele and Taylor Swift are the only two household name active artists right now. There is also no music explosion right now. The youngest genre is probably 30 years old.
(While singing a song, Chris cuts in)
"EEEEEE EEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEE"
gatecreeper rules, i don’t even really like death metal but i had a great time during their set when they opened for knocked loose, they absolutely crushed it
Just scene gate creeper with obituary gotta say they weren't that great being in the scene since it started I can say metal has changed alot but one thing remains the style has been done along time ago your just copying which is ok but don't act like you came up with it no your place
I remember sending my mum to Our Price records when Tomb of the Mutilated came out because the owner wouldn't sell the explicit stuff to thirteen year olds (like I was). He twigged my mum wasn't a Cannibal Corpse fan and she said it was for her teenage son. The record store owner showed her some of the lyrics. So I didn't get my CD and Cannibal Corpse were on a black list in my house. But the record store didn't get my fifteen quid either. This story has nothing to do with the video, just a little memory of my miserable teenage years.
And it likely made you want it more and thus cemented your will toward listening to cannibal corpse despite that store owner's effort to do what he thought was virtuous.
His actions basically ensured the opposite of what he intended.
Hahaha
Damn parents like that ... When i was younger my mum never really liked that i started with extreme metal (ok she didnt even liked that i listen to Rammstein because we are german and she understands the lyrics) but she accepted it.
When me and my friends were 14 year old metal heads discovering the genre, we were into Cannibal corpse. I remember my friends brother showing us the 6 feet under ACDC cover album and him saying it was cannibals old singer. We laughed and laughed and made fun of the TNT 6 feet under cover for fucking ever. At 14 we knew how jacked up his voice was.
I remember that whole album of shitty covers. Smoke on the water cover horrible
@@oopsydaizi3s824 that was their best cover, just because it's funnier when more people are familiar with the song
i unironically love that album
@@paveantelic7876 yeah man death metal rock rules.
@@LuckyLarry33 death n roll baby!
A homie of mine put on some 6 feet under at a party over a decade ago and I remember laughing my ass off at how bad the vocals were. Then he told me it was Chris barnes and I was in utter disbelief hahah. Maybe Seth Putnam was right all along
Seth was definitely right
Barnes now sounds like those random people Jared Dines went around asking to do a metal scream
This is the basic Six Feet Under timeline: First 3 albums are neat and interesting, they went to crap for a bit, then suddenly Barnes sounded better again with members of Cannabis Corpse (Municipal Waste) in his band. But he kicked em out and started to sound like crap again.
Good stuff, man!
For a while I was trying to push punk/hardcore shit on my one son, but he just wasn’t into it. But as time progressed, he started really getting into EDM other electronic genres because of video games.
Over the last six months or so, he’s been making his own music and my initial reaction was to buck against it, but I’ve just tried to encourage him to keep creating… keep discovering.
It’s been really cool because even though I’m not crazy about electronic music, it’s become a way of bonding because I’m letting him be himself. 🤙🏻
EDM is pretty creative and diverse
That first Six Feet Under album is an all-time metal classic!!!
Agree Haunted is great
I've never interacted with Chris Barnes but back when I was active in music, every band and promoter I met who had interacted with him always said he was the worst to have to work with in whatever capacity. Maybe he's just misunderstood, idk.
I've heard that. I use to be very good friends with him. Afew years ago. He's was always super nice to me.
@@pip7967 Yeah I wasn't being completely facetious with saying that he might be misunderstood. Without name-dropping, I'll say a certain Myspace celebrity who sang for a very popular Christian metalcore band at the time had a reputation for being a stuck up diva, but when I toured with them he was an absolute sweetheart. So I can totally see how public perception can get out of control.
Barnes is a good dude.
'Old man yelling at cloud' is actually a better choice of a Simpsons meme, for this situation.
Finn touched on something I don’t hear a lot of people talk about. That mid 2000s Headbangers Ball. Obviously doesn’t have the prestige that the original run of the show had, but that exposed me to a lot of music when I was a kid that I otherwise never would have heard. Them videos would scare the shit out of me too lol.
Jasta era Headbangers Ball was extremely influential on me. I was already into metal and discovering new bands, but nothing I was into at the time compared to some of the bands they were covering. I bought all of the Headbanger's Ball CD compilations as they came out and absolutely loved every second of that programming.
Same here. That era was killer. High school wouldn’t have been the same without HBB
I've been listening to metal for 30 years now. I love all sub-genres of metal. I have never heard a single Six Feet Under song that I liked.
i'm sure he doesn't even know what's actually going in the scene and hasn't listened to any of the bands in the roundtable, he is just eternally malding that his band isn't the biggest thing in the genre and will never admit that maybe the reason why it isn't is in large part due to himself. "i hate what the scene has become" = "i hate that the scene doesn't revolve around me" in Barnes' brain.
also, Undeath is so fun. excited for the new album.
Serious question: what does it even mean to be part of the scene these days? (Old man vioce: “back in my day, it meant hanging out at (insert name of dive bar serving as music venue)” or similar). But what’s your take on being part of the scene in 2022? Is it online presence, being an artists/creator? What’s your take?
Great video. I hate to admit it, but a few years back when i was in my early 20's, I was definitely one of those assholes for a brief period of time. For example, I remember discounting Bring Me The Horizon when they released That's the Spirit because "ugh, they're just trying to stay relevant. Count Your Blessings was their good shit. Fuck new stuff." But, after a bit I realized that the only person I was hurting by being closed-minded was myself and now, I LOVE That's the Spirit and especially Amo! I can always go back to Suicide Season if I want, and now they also have pop stuff I can enjoy too when I'm in the mood.
Ultimately, you are correct, nobody is required to promote new stuff or enjoy new music, but you're only hurting yourself by boxing yourself in like I used to. There's a slot of great stuff out there and change can be a great thing if we seek it out. I mean, without Amo, we don't get Kingslayer, which is one of the best songs I've heard in a while.
Love your stuff, bro.
all bring me the horizon sucks
@@andrewscottgreer Hey, that's your right to have that opinion for sure, but a lot of people like them too. It's good that we all have different opinions though so there's musical diversity out there.
@@FrankReynolds182 nah they universally suck.
@@andrewscottgreer I would personally disagree, but hey, I'm sure there are plenty of other bands you love! It's so good for bands to have people that criticize them so they can improve, so nobody would improve without detractors. :)
@@FrankReynolds182 Didnt the BMTH vocalist killed his voice too cause of going all out ?
I expect this comment section to remain totally hinged and rational.
Don't be like anybody other than who you truly are.
But what does Corey Taylor think about what Chris Barnes thinks about new death metal?
In all seriousness, Chris Barnes probably needs a vocal coach if he doesn’t have one already. His death metal vocals now sound dreadful.
Corey Taylor would probably agree with Chris knowing he's a boomer as well.
Don't let yourself become Chris Barnes is personally some of the best advice one could receive.
Blood Incantation took a swipe at Gatecreeper too calling them music you could find at Target. As a fan of both of those bands it's weird to see, Gatecreeper has some sick grooves and Chase is a good vocalist, I don't understand why accessibility is so scary for death metal.
Yeah I saw that . I don't know if Blood Incantation said that about Gatecreeper . I like both bands .
I'm so glad that Gatecreeper has gotten as big as they have. Tucson has always had a great music scene and it's awesome to see a band from my hometown become super successful. Their guitarist's old band Serows were great too, I saw them play a house show back in 2008 and they went harder than many bands do when playing festivals despite playing in my friend's living room.
Seth Putnam from "A.C." was right 😂
SOMEONE ACTUALLY PUT A SALT SHAKER ON THE THUMBNAIL XDDD I didn't even watch the video yet lol but that's amazing!
It sounds like Randy from South Park doing death metal 😂
I went to a cannibal corpse show at summer slaughter one year and someone in the crowed yelled out to corpsegrinder “where’s Chris Barnes” and he yelled back “he’s at home sitting with his momma junior” lmao
Cannibal Corpse has evolved a lot over the years. They also give the rub to newer acts. Chris Barnes doesn't do shit for modern death metal. Except maybe show everyone what not to do.
Actually watched the whole video which is rare for me. Well done GG’s
Finn, do you have a twitch schedule? I never know when you'll be live! I want to see more, I want to be a part of the discussion...
Tuesday and thursday, 4-7pm pst!
This is going to be a round about long, but I’ll get there. On the voice, Chris Conley of saves the day had amazing vocals in the first 2 albums. After the third album, he saw a doctor about his sore throats. The doc said if he didn’t change the way he was signing, he was going to do permanent damage to his vocal chords. It’s possible that Barnes either did do damage to his vocal chords and can no longer do the same sounds, or he had to change to Amir sure he didn’t do damage to his vocal chords. Just a thought.
Barnes is the Death Metal equivalent of an ok boomer meme. He was so good in Cannibal Corpse, it’s amazing how quickly his voice went downhill to the point where he’s now the laughing stock of the genre and he thinks he has the right to criticise the scene? Lol
Quickly? 26 years since he left cannibal corpse.
I saw SFU at one of my first shows in high school back in 2005 at an all ages venue. You can see the signs of apathy back then. Surprised he's still around tbh
This might be me showing my age but I didn't get into Cannibal Corpse until after Corpsegrinder took over vocals and I've always preferred the albums with him on it.
Edit: I'd also like to add that I think Undeath and Gatecreeper are the best bands to come into the genre since the Old school bands came out, they deserve tons of respect. Love seeing a WNY band get love. The metal scene outside of NYC has slowly gaining steam for years now and it's about time someone other than ETID got some attention from a national audience.
I prefer Corpsegrinder too as a newer CC fan. Although I do really like the album Tomb of the Mutilated
Chris Barnes was definitely a giant inspiration. When I was in high school I was super closed minded. Death metal was life. PERIOD!! I’m still into playing and writing Metal and do most vocal styles except clean singing. About 10 years ago when one of my first death metal bands was playing with younger bands and they were literally all doing the Djent stuff, I fucking hated it! I was like “do you even need a left hand to be in this band as a guitarist??” Hence, me still being closed minded in my mid 20’s. Now, there are bands I like that are absolutely not metal for just clean vocals. So, I really like the advice you give about not being the “Chris Barnes” to new and younger generations.
The way Barnes is acting is pretty much explained by the phrase "You will never be criticized by someone doing more than you."
He has a pretty impressive catalog of work though. Definitely not one to sit on his hands. I think it's the weed.
What's worse about Chris' vocals on that song zodiac is that was probably the best take. I dread to think what the other takes were like.
Chris Barnes sounds like a parody of himself. Something broke in that man's throat, and he's in denial. Should've done like all the other old school death people, and learned how to do it without shredding up your entire vocal anatomy. If nothing else, he's a great example of what not to do. Really sad to see his decline over the years.
Oh God, the thought of an old elder Crusty...
I don’t get why so many people need to be negative about music in general-you can certainly have opinions but making blanket statements like that is just stupid. Often it means someone isn’t really trying to listen to the new stuff.
Also, thanks for the Gatecreeper rec. Finally gonna give them a shot now!
Chris's work was phenomenal, I think he's just sorta bitter about everything still. Also I think his voice is gone, I don't think he's taken the best care of himself over the years. Much respect to him still for what he was.
Chris Barnes looks and acts exactly like that one friend from high school that never did anything but smoke weed all day. He just never grew up. Like, dude, there's so much more to life than striving to be a burnout. Barnes is close to, if not already in, his 60's. The wacky tobaccy isn't a fountain of youth.
He drank the Kool-Aid and is a Florida Man. I feel so sad. It's like idolizing Jared from Subway in 1998 and then fast forwarding to 2010ish.
On the bright side, he would make the absolute perfect Marcus Kane if the upcoming Twisted Metal TV series would hire him.
I understand what happened to Chris Barnes' vocals because it happened to mine too. I used to be a really brutal, sick death metal singer. But after like 20 years, my voice just broke down in a very similar way to Barnes'.
@@nontextless well look at corpsegrinder he’s been at it for just as long I’m surprised he’s still going
I like the comment “I thought you guys were into music”. It’s so true, so many of these people like music, or do they like feeling like they did when they heard the music when they were young? It’s awesome how you have keep up with new music, and I hope to do the same in a few years, not just reliving high school.
I remember digging Six Feet Under when I was in middle school. They were part of the groovier side of death metal (like World Demise-era Obituary). They went downhill pretty fast, though. And Barnes' vocals remind me of crusty, old wiener dogs who try to bark all loud but sound like they're hawking up phlegm.
This reminds me so of a situation when I was in a bar wearing a Meshuggah shirt. This older guy (who is heavily into Iron Maiden) I knew came up to me. and asked "Why are you promoting nu-metal with that shirt?". I ofcourse explained that Meshuggah is not nu-metal. But for him al the new (Meshuggah was actually not that new... but hey...) bands where the same. He started ask me question of older bands like "who is the singer of Iron Maiden, who is the guitar player of Pantera" (he seemed to like them), and a bunch more question which I could all answer, because I am well educated when it comes to old and new stuff. He was frustrated about it, and thought it was interesting to smash a glas of beer in my face. Really... some fans...
What a scumbag, you heal alright bro?
Chris Barnes has become the Gene Simons of death metal
Jesus Christ, when I saw Corpse during "Tomb of the mutilated" and "Vile" shit was brutal. Not as vicious as mid 90s hardcore ninja pits but definitely seen a few ambulances at Corpse shows. Also... Six Feet Under's Back in Black album...
I love Chris Barnes.
Nightmares of the eeeeeeee
I was curious about the back story. Glad I came across your video!! We’ll said! I’m enlightened.
Thanks for inspiring me to crank some old school Cannibal Corpse 🤘
I agree, I like SFU, everything they' ve done, but that's not cool to slag new bands like that, especially killer ones like Gatecreeper. I'm gonna turn 50 in a few days and I do like a lot of new bands. Lot of them are into old-school stuff and sound just right. Some modern stuff I dig, some I don't, but why talk shit? I just ignore the stuff I don't like and concentrate on the one I do, that's all.
I think in Chris Barnes case it goes beyond old school vs new school. This roundtable had Corpsegrinder, who not only successfully replaced Chris Barnes, but also just released a successful solo album. Corpsegrinder is well liked and has been for awhile. People have forgotten about Barnes for many years now and this little tirade is most relevant he's been since Graveyard Classics 2 in 2004. I still remember the sad interview Chris Barnes did immediately after getting fired from Cannibal Corpse in 1995. It's a very sad MTV interview on Headbangers Ball that was supposed to be about a new side project called Six Feet Under, which during the interview Barnes announced that would be his primary band and then he got asked about being fired. It was super sad and awkward and I felt bad for Barnes. Bottom line Chris Barnes never got over being fired from Cannibal Corpse and while he continues to decline, things keep looking up for Corpsegrinder. It's really sad. If Glen Benton were on that roundtable instead of Corpsegrinder, I doubt Barnes would have even watched it, let alone commented.
Very true
There's a remastered version of hammer smashed face on RUclips where the vocals are a bit more audible, posted by andy khairat. Its fucking sick.
The Rick Ta Life of Death Metal.
Also I think a big part of the DM resurgence right now is that it has a lot of hc influence. Gatecreeper opened for Knocked Loose. 200 Stab Wounds played Pain of Truth, God’s Hate, and Knocked Loose’s record release shows. Undeath, 200SW, and Phobophilic are playing LDB Fest. Kruelty played FYA Fest. Hardcore kids are dancing and two stepping to dm. It’s really riding the wave that hardcore has been on for the past couple of years.
When cannibal first came out they were original, that's why they stuck out. Between his low as all hell vocals plus they were the first to go all out gore, you knew what they were about. Alot respect for chris.
Finn's doing more for Death Metal with one video, than Barnes has in a quarter century.
He ain't making death metal and he put a snippet of a song in a video where he's reacting to an isolated part out of context yet he put a whole song for the other band. It's like the news today that's what they do take things out of context for a headline. I like Finn but he's not doing more for death metal until he makes his own album. listen to nightmares of the decomposed all the way through and give it a chance . Read the lyrics it's fucking dope man.
So u think one video amounts to all the work he has done on cannibal corpse and six feet under and even featuring on cannabis corpse, torturing his throat like that and writing lyrics. Yea sure has done alot more sitting in his room making commentary 😂
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Relax brotha. My point is that as a 40 y.o. Death Metal fan, I grew up on bands like Corpse Barnes and other bands like Morbid Angel, Obituary, and Deicide...then I kinda grew out of it just like I grew out of Bullhead Jeans and Trucker Shirts. This videos, the songs, hell even the band names brought me back to a place I hadn't thought of in 20 years...it's a great place to be back to!
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the "new old school" death metal bands are important and I think it's going to be fascinating to see what that clique evolves into
I went to see Six Feet Under at an all ages club once. Sworn Enemy opened. The place was packed and kids were going wild for Sworn Enemy. Then SFU hit the the stage and it was just me and about a dozen old biker dudes that stayed around for them. It was kinda sad. Barnes is beyond washed up.
You played his vocals and my instant thought was Strongbad's Trogdor. "Trogdor was a man. I mean he was a dragon man... Or maybe he was just a dragon."
Barnes’ career went SIX FEET UNDER after Cannibal Corpse
LOL hahahaha
Sure its a bit of aging process and lots of smoking but maybe he just got bored with being just death metal singer like Chuck (Death) did, Opeth frontman did and many others did. He always sang with character not just something technical and he still does that. One of the best. What you hear as broken voice is just his present flavour (and former) . He is like death metal rapper. Cool then and cool now.
“Are they the most innovative original band in the world? Probably not.” I would disagree since they made Death Metal what it was, became and is. They have stayed the course and still deliver what their fans like to this day. They were so out there in the late 80s early 90s they shaped the scene, they took it to another level. Innovative? Take what was the thrashy beginnings of DM and make it heavy and gory AF- check. Original? Be the first to do it, take it to a worldwide scale, have tons of bands follow in your bloody footprints-check.
Headbangers Ball + Uranium. I remember a couple of my friends being in love with Juliya from there.
I love that every genre have haters, it’s super cool when the hater is a pillar of the genre makes things interesting. GO BARNES GOOO!!!
His dreads look the way people who hate dreads think all dreads look
Barnes is amazing and many can't comprehend his genius and direction, you see, upon listening to all SFU and CC albums over the years you come to realize that regardless of the monstrous instrumentation, the quality of recording per studio the vocals and overall sound Barnes has produced, he has never been able to truly deliver the 100% true sound that he'd like you to hear, the music within his mind, same can be said with just about any artist but with Chris the instruments and the musicians required to produce this sound do not exist which would explain his frustrations in the 90s when they were getting big the quarrels and disagreements that CC had with Barnes where he wanted the band to keep on the controversial route by being raw and visceral more explicit lyrics and the like, the other members wanted to refine a more solid consistent sound that would be less abrasive to audiences ultimately they went the less abrasive route and Barnes went his own way with SFU where he could attempt to create the sound he wanted, his compositions are on another level and it'll probably take decades for people to finally hear it, and you can't blame him for being a bit salty when no one's able to relate to your direction
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