Why Clemson is More Likely to Join the Big Ten Than the SEC
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ESPN destroying the ACC makes me hate ESPN. I ditched my streaming service to get rid of supporting ESPN. Dump ESPN.
Espn does the same to the pac12!
If the Big10 (FOX) tries to get any ACC school - ESPN will renegotiate the TV deal with the ACC. The problem is how much control ESPN has over this.
Espn is going broke and it will continue as long as Disney owns them.
The fallacy is that the Big Ten is going after schools, when in reality those other schools are asking the Big Ten if they can join.
That’s a big difference!
Clemson is pursuing AAU membership. It's already started.
I don't see Florida State making the cut. They are not up to academic standards. I know that doesn't mean anything to the SEC, but it does to the Big Ten presidents. Colleges that make a much better fit include Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia, Boston College, Stanford, Washington, & Oregon. Of course, if you want to press Notre Dame to join, you do what you can to blow up the ACC, and take Notre Dame rivals off the board, like Stanford or BC.
I think Oregon & Washington make much more sense. USC & UCLA need some teams in the same time zone to cut down on travel, esp for olympic sports. But, Clemson & North Carolina make sense, helping everyone to recruit the south, and gain lots televisions in the expanded footprint.
Throw that regional alignment out the door. USC and UCLA realized it's all about Benjamin's. When you add The BIG10, as ACU research universities, it far surpasses the SEC, revenue. You gotta remember, universities are about academics first.
You are right about academics. Are you aware that Florida State University is tied with Maryland & Rutgers as the 17th best “Public” university in the countries by US News & World Report. FSU’s Research funding is hard to nail down, and the fiscal year for 2022 - 2023 have yet to be released. The 2021 - 2022 indicate two streams of funding for research at $150 million + another $750 million. Then their are Black Budget items working with the U.S. Navy, Air-force, and and NASA. The Medical Research Facility on Tallahassee Memorial Healthcare: Main Hospital Campus. TMH is a juggernaut that owns almost every hospital in the panhandle & big bend of Florida. FSU has the largest Magnet in the world, and 1 of 2 most powerful Super Computers in the world. There are scientists from around the world that comes to Tallahassee, and others who run calculations on the Super Computer. FSU’s AAU status is not dependent on joining the B1G. We could join the SEC and still strive & work on obtaining AAU Status.
Clemson like FSU can only go to the SEC to get to one of the two giants. B10 has 18 and they are willing to wait and see if ND will grace their conference. They also hope taking Stanford will enhance ND to make the move. Plus they do not want to go over 20 teams. They may never get ND but they can afford to wait b/c there will be better academic teams left over from the ACC if the ACC falls apart. Finally, the culture of FSU and Clemson plus location clearly make the SEC the most likely destination. In short, if Clemson and FSU are waiting for a B10 invite based on the current situation, it ain’t happening. One other factor that may deter the SEC from making the move for these schools is their exit problems and the perception that they can be troublesome partners. I’m not sure I agree with that perception but apparently Florida and South Carolina are posing concerns. Personally I think they raise these concerns b/c they never wanted them in their conference historically.
Who pays the buyout? Everyone on RUclips is a contract lawyer....
Mark you look like you could be a lawyer, if I didn't already know what you do and you told me you were a lawyer I for sure would believe you...
But does the sec want the big ten in their backyard/ recruiting grounds
Fsu and clermson in similar spots SC v Clemson fsu v uf. Fans are football focused but presidents are academics focused. Big10 sport and academics $ would be a great combo. Thanks
I don't want to go to the SEC as a Florida State fan I prefer to go to the Big Ten Michigan versus Florida State Michigan State vs Florida State Ohio State versus Florida State that's what I want to see University of Maryland I can truly say was very smart to leave the ACC when they did
🎯🎯🎯
Clemson isn't AAU and therefore ineligible for B1G. End of story.
So you want to play easier competition?
I think Clemson should join the sec
Is Clemson an AAU member?
Whatever happens, it is better than staying in the ACC. SEC or BIG doesn’t matter.
Yeah I'm happy with either, just hope it happens. Tired of Clemson being out-recruited by SEC teams and mocked for ACC schedule.
Clemson isn’t on the B1G radar.
the reason they object about clemson joining the sec is the simple fact draw , clemson has ben the top drawing team in the acc the last 10 years
Because of Brent venables defense.
I miss Brent. He was the difference maker and Dabo took all the credit!
Thats a lie..check the viewer ship since 2016..FSU..3.17M, CLEM..3.08M..#FACTS
Has to be in my top 5 of most useless interviews. The Big 10 is eyeing Oregon, Washington, CAL, and Stanford. South Carolina cannot keep Clemson out nor can Florida keep FSU out by themselves. Proposed conference expansion in the SEC is approved if 3/4 of the ADs vote their support. Right now, that is 11/14 members but will be 12/16 come 2024. A&M voted to approve adding Texas/OU because they didn't want to be on an island by themselves. Unlike the Big 10, the SEC prizes geographical integrity/identity. It requires less travel expenses/travel time, not only for the conference members, but for the fans that support them. It's all about eyeballs on TV sets when it comes to the value of broadcast rights for networks, not just expansion into un-served areas. Clemson and FSU have historically been rated in or near the top 10 nationally in terms of average per game viewership. NC, NC State, VA, VA Tech rank anywhere from #46 to #79. If Clemson opted for the Big 10, they would be the uncle no one at the family reunion would claim is related. Face it, Clemson people are FAR more culturally aligned with Knoxville, Athens, Tuscaloosa, Auburn, and Gainesville than with Camp Randall or Ann Arbor.
You are assuming that FSU wants to go the SEC? I’m pretty sure they already rebuffed the SEC once. FSU is in the process of building a massive medical complex on campus in order to apply for AAU status. The best way to compete with UF in state for prestige is to get a piece of the BIG research pie and access to all the resources offers its members academically. Plus, they would get 10+ million dollars a year more than if they joined the SEC. Just because the SEC values geographic proximity doesn’t mean that the school on the open market does…I can guarantee you if FSU e entered the BIG there games would be sell outs with BIG fans. Plus, the BIG has better ATV numbers than the SEC, hence the much fatter TV media deal. Now that the BIG games will be on fox nbc and cbs instead of ESPN I can’t imagine those numbers won’t increase even more.
@@johnnyp5216 Florida St. ducked the SEC in 1990 so it wouldn't surprise me if they ran away from the SEC again. Enjoy those trips to Iowa, Minnesota and Rutgers. Should be fun.....said no one ever.
@@chuckwest7045 Rutgers is like 45 minutes from NYC, So I don’t think that would be a bad time. And what’s wrong with Minnesota or Iowa, compared to freaking Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, or Tennessee, or for that matter alabama?
I don’t understand why SEC people have such a disdain for anything or anyone outside of their little piece of the country. I don’t hate or disparage those parts of the US.
Idk how choosing to join the BIG instead of the SEC because they would get more money, and better institutional support for their academic institution means they are duckin the SEC?
No one in the BIG is ducking anyone in the SEC. Honestly, the only people ducking anyone would be the sec folks who refuse to come up here and play a BIG team, BIG only play SEC teams in the south. None of you have ever ventured north to play a football game.
The SEC didn’t invent football fella, the game was invented on the east coast and in the Midwest, we’ve been playing the game longer than you folks down there.
I’m an Ohio State fan, I want all the smoke. When gorillas fight, someone’s gotta lose. But, that’s what you gotta do to know what you gotta fix. If our boy doesn’t get it fixed, then we will call on the next dude to get the ship righted. Make no mistake losing to UGA or Bama in no way means that we would curb stomp the rest of the SEC just like UGA and Bama. Now that you have to pull a chair up to the big boys table and play 9 conference games let’s see how many of the miss. St, Missouri, vandy, Kentucky, auburn, ol miss actually win 6 or 7 games without a directional school in the middle of the conference schedule.
Does the BIG have some doormats, yup. Just like the SEC. Except I will say none of our trash is quite as bad as vandy. Be honest, they’re for sure the worst.
All I’m saying is we can have a healthy dislike for each others conference without being douche’s about it, The stench of elitism coming from fans of trash SEC teams is as gross as the area between fat lady’s rolls in the middle of august in New Orleans.
@@johnnyp5216 Not assuming anything. It comes from interviews with the FSU President and AD expressing interest in the SEC. Geographically and culturally, it makes far more sense than the Big 10. I might also add the SEC has/will have AAU members. Florida, Vanderbilt, Missouri, and Texas A&M are AAU members. Texas, coming to the SEC in 2024, is also an AAU member institution.
@@johnnyp5216 Let's go backwards. First of all, no fan of Vanderbilt has ever bragged about the SEC being the best conference. You're imagining things.
Secondly. Vanderbilt has finished ranked in the final polls twice in football in the last 10 years. That's better than Rutgers, Indiana and Illinois. So don't try and tell me that Vandy is worse than any Big Ten program. And I feel pretty safe in saying that the bottom of the SEC has been better than the bottom of the Big Ten. You want to knock Auburn? Auburn wins and plays for national titles. Good grief dude. Learn some football history.
Yeah that 9 game conference schedule really toughens up you guys up north !! I'm sure that's the reason LSU ran Purdue off the field with our second string defense. Or maybe that's why Ohio St. is 2-12 against the SEC all-time in bowl games. And please....cool it with the scheduling argument. It's not like Big Ten teams are traveling south all the time either.
Finally, I'm not knocking Minnesota or Wisconsin and other places in the Midwest. Wisconsin's a great state to visit. So are Iowa and Nebraska. But there's a LOT of miles between the Florida panhandle and Minneapolis and I'm just pointing out that IMO traveling to those places every year will get old....very quick. You've misconstrued my post.
Texas A&M was opposed to Texas getting in to the SEC but Texas got in.
They voted for admission of Texas
Unanimous vote brought UTx and OU into the SEC. Of course the fans hate each other but administrators live in a different world and those administrators make the decisions. Most people don’t realize that back in 1990 when the SEC invited FSU for membership, that it was the University of Florida sponsoring the whole invitation to add FSU from within the SEC. That’s why I find it funny really that we get on here and act like we know what our universities are going to do when the time comes, mostly based on our hate for a particular rival or school when in the real world, your administrator is probably on the phone with mine as we sit here and post.
@@ma2182 they weren’t allowed to protest fairly and make it a fair debate. Sanky didn’t say much before the vote which undermined any possible effort that A&M could’ve made. That is flat out wrong.
Also, I’m a Big 10 guy and Maryland/Rutgers don’t belong in the Big 10. Notre Dame does
The question though that nobody is asking is ..does the Big Ten really want Clemson, most of the rumors center on them wanting to go west with Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal first
Yes if Big Ten is willing to look pass AAU or if Clemson can work towards AAU. Adding brands like Clemson and FSU is good for TV which then == more $$.
Right now Fox doesn't have any teams in the south east and they would pay good money to add schools like CU and FSU to their package
If it happens, I hope the Big Ten will do like they are talking about doing with the PAC 12 and add a wing to the southeast in other words not just Clemson,, but bring in Florida State Miami and possibly North Carolina or NC State with them maybe Georgia Tech you know to where you have some geographical neighbors within the league…. The talk is the Big Ten is looking to go to Washington and Oregon to bring in some geographical rivals for USC and UCLA. Also maybe cal Stanford are in the conversation…but in order for all of that to happen they may have to agree to expand to 24 schools.
@@Christian-qu6yv
They aren’t
Academics matter
Oregon is worthless to the big 10
Please stop listening to oregons self promotion talking about how great they are.
The B1G would LOVE to add Clemson - even without AAU status currently - the same as they would make an exception for FSU, ND and possibly Miami. What we know is that reports are that both Clemson and FSU are working hard to get AAU status...hmmmm...interesting, if that was the case. I heard Miami was also working hard at getting AAU status but I haven't seen much on that recently so I don't know where that sits.
I have said this for months and everybody gives me grief. Also look for North Carolina, Georgia tech, and Florida State.
The Big ten loves the connectors.
NC, VA, GT
@@dacokc North Carolina's brand and Georgia tech location. Clemson needs to be in that draw of adding more money to an already huge contract.
@@a.barker7792 I just don’t see BigTen inviting a school that isn’t AAU outside Notre Dame.
@@a.barker7792
Clemson isn’t AAU
@@dacokc
They aren’t adding notre dame
I can see Fox wanting to get Clemson and FSU on their network. So I see Fox giving the Big Ten incentives to add them to the conference.
As much as everyone would love Clemson to join the SEC, the SEC and ESPN are probably in no rush since ESPN already own the TV revenue on the cheap
They aren’t AAU
End of discussion
@@lordrayden3045 neither are AAU. BigTen only makes that exception for ND..
@@dacokc
And they don’t want them
@@lordrayden3045 just an fyi, Nebraska is no longer AAU
@@badgernut3157 yup.. I had lots of Nebraska friends bragging about how they were AAU and were off to make bank in the BigTen and then their AAU status disappeared and other BigTen schools weren’t happy and thought they made a mistake..
Probably did if not for a million BigRed fans that do nothing but watch Neb sports all weekend long.. ALL the sports..
As a Maryland alumnus (class of '77) who's made trips to Clemson for Terp-Tiger athletic events and enjoyed that attractive college town, I would have no objection to the Big Ten adding purple and orange. However, I'm not certain B1G presidents would feel the same way. While Clemson is a fine school academically with some superb programs, it's perceived at roughly the same level as Textile Bowl rival N.C. State (another non-AAU institution), and I don't see any clamor for NCSU to join the B1G even if the unthinkable came to pass and UNC and Duke joined the SEC. A more likely alternative for Clemson is the Big 12, which I think will eclipse both the ACC and Pac to become the undisputed #3 (or even #2A) of college conferences. That seems like a conference which knows what it's doing in men's and women's hoops, and adding the Tigers would enhance its football heft (and TV $$$$).
You have NC State very underrated in the classroom and on the field.
Clemson is NOT viewed the same as NC State academically LOL. The only reason NC State isn't AAU is a concentrated effort by Duke to keep them out. VT & NC State are a different level of STEM school than Clemson
If Big 10 goes south they will get NC & Duke. Clemson is a better academic school than NC State. However with Clemson not having AAU status Big10 will have no interest in Clemson.
Nebraska isn’t AAU but they were when Big10 invited them. They lost AAU status immediately after joining much to the anger of Big10 Presidents. Seems during the application/invitation process Nebraska kinda sorta forgot to mention that they were about to leave AAU. Big 10 Presidents said that had they known they never would have invited Nebraska into the conference.
Clemson’s best bet is Big12. They could be just as good there as in ACC. (Season record). If Clemson joined the SEC they would have problems. Having a schedule with Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, LSU & Mississippi St is not like having a schedule with Syracuse, BC, Louisville, WF & GaTech with the occasional Pitt, Duke & Va.
@@Manolo0528 You are completely clueless of STEM school rankings if you think Clemson is a better academic school than NC State. Clemson is better than they were but still not close.
@@fredcarter8382 Doesn’t matter. No AAU, no Big 10 invite.
To hell with the Footprint and S.Car's BOD, THE TIGERS🐯 belong in the SEC, not the Big10.
Welcome to the best conference big ten where the future is bright
Clemson should've come to the SEC when Carolina did so should FSU they both scared away last minute 😮
The SEC will not pay out as much money
Jesus. No Clemson fan/alum wants to go on road trips to College Park, Champagne, Bloomington, etc. that’s as worthless of a schedule as going to BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Winston Salem. The conferences are starting to care less and less about the footprint, and more about the ratings, bc that’s where the money comes from.
Clemson is not an AAU school. Big10 won’t give them the time of day.
Is Nebraska an AAU school?
@@chuckwest7045 Nebraska is not currently an AAU member but were when invited.
At the time Big10 was looking Nebraska over for an invite Nebraska was in AAU. What Nebraska hid from Big10 was that they were leaving AAU (either voluntarily or kicked out, don’t remember).
Big10 thought they were getting another AAU school. By the time they found out that Nebraska had left the AAU Nebraska had gotten the invite & was already in Big10. Several Presidents were angry that the info was withheld & publicly stated that had they known Nebraska was losing its AAU status Nebraska would have never been invited to join. They would have voted no.
@@Manolo0528 I didn't realize that. Thanks for the info.
Television is at the root of everything that is wrong with college football. Meanwhile the value of my stock in Paramount, which owns CBS and other so-called "media properties" has dropped like a rock the past two years. The value of Disney, which owns ESPN and ABC has tanked over the past 2 years. So, college football decisions are being made by people who are best known for losing their investor's money. Wonderful. Hold onto your wallet around anyone involved with college football, as it is a money-sucking enterprise.
Vague statements in a contract goes both ways.
These clowns are wrong
Clemson does not have the academic standards require to be in the big ten. Anybody looked how low their standards are?
Clemson to the SEC makes too much sense.
Dabo would have to change his opinion on NIL or he will negotiate himself out of a job. All the SEC schools are heavily into NIL and transfer portals.
Clemson won’t join the B10 because they are not an AAU member. The B10 will only consider AAU members.
Nebraska, like Clemson, was once an AAU member, but dropped. Nebraska still hasn't tried to readmit itself, but Clemson is making the effort to raise its academic standards. This could be important for future consideration. Let's not pretend there aren't people in the Big 10 willing to bend the rules.
If they go to the BIG10 it's for a simple reason... Soft conference and schedule plus better money
Soft conference? Check the data. Second best conference. They’d be leaving a soft conference. And that doesn’t factor into the decision anyway. It’s about $$$$$$$$.
@@ClemsonVOCFB Arguments can be made about how soft that conference is. But it’s definitely about the money!
sec fields 7 men’s and 9 women’s sports. Big 10 fields 14 men’s and 14 women’s
They may go a decade without winning the big ten.
Clemson isn’t AAU
They can want to join the big 10 all they want, that door isn’t open
PS
Any university with a choice is picking the big 10
Texas is AAU and chose SEC. They started this whole realignment.
@@joekerr3638 yeah…..
Do you know why?
@@lordrayden3045 because the football is better in the sec and football makes money. They don’t care about having a college hockey or lacrosse program
@@joekerr3638 Lord Rayden is correct, but I'll take it a step further. Any university worth a damn is picking the B1G. And don't forget, Texas, Oklahoma, and Missouri chose to be in the B1G FIRST before eventually settling for the SEC. The B1G said kick rocks. Facts. The B1G wouldn't allow Texas to keep the Longhorn Network (smart move) or accept OU's low academic profile (non-AAU), and Mizzou (they BEGGED to get in with Nebraska) didn't add much and their brand sucks. So, congrats, SEC. You got the B1G's sloppy seconds. You're welcome.
@@larrymccollum5888
Very blunt but true
Sec, because of proximity, otherwise when they start having to ride electric buses, I'd take a month to get to ucla
The SEC top two should be North Carolina and Virginia, followed by Florida St. Clemson should be their fourth option.
Clemson is the #1 team in the ACC in revenue brought in and Clemson has the #3 TV market in country behind Columbia Ohio and Birmingham Alabama.. Clemson would very easily be the most coveted team from the ACC and it’s not close
Notre Dame, UNC, UVA and GT or possibly BC should be top acc targets for B1G
Unc is crap in CFB, and they don’t have an SEC fan base- what value would they bring to SEC ?
I think the SEC will be even more overpowered with the addition of FSU, Clemson, and Miami. I think the B1G needs these teams. The B1G needs more National Championship calibur teams. Too much dead weight in that conference.
I wouldn't say they have to much dead weight. Wisconsin, Nebraska, ohio state, Michigan, Michigan state, penn state, Iowa those are all really good programs. Now they have added USC, UCLA if clemson joins it would be if notre dame joins. But now it looks like Oregon and Washington might join the big ten. If that happens Clemson more than likely join the big 12
As a big ten fan I'd rather have notre dame and Clemson but it makes sense to add west coast teams to mach up with usc and ucla.
Big has more top 25 teams now and a way better tv deal,so don't really get what you mean
@@stevesalisbury3657 Even with the new aligment in conferences the SEC has 16 national titles to the Big 10's 4 since 2000. Only 2 teams in the Big 10 have won titles since 2000 as opposed to 7 teams winning the 16 titles for the SEC. There is still no comparison on the field of play.
This show is a joke.. next episode Jason preister will tell you clemson is paying 400 million to leave the ACC for the mountain west conference
I mean ge had on a guy that thinks south carolina has any pull in the sec. If florida state and clemson wanted to come the clocks would get sit down real quick.
Clemson to the big ten would not make sense because who from clemson is gonna wanna go to a Michigan and Ohio St in November and December ?!?!
Yeah….. who’d want to see them play like the top two watched teasm in the country?
Or go to two of the 5 largest stadiums in the world?
Isn't Clemson 4-1 vs Ohio State in December? I don't think the venue matters very much.
I can't remember a single Big 10 team playing a home football game in December for my entire life.
I think Clemson's desire to tuck tail and run from the ACC is because the loss to USC, make it evident that they are merely the 2nd best team in South Carolina.
Uhhhh, 7 straight victories over South Carolina before losing to them by 1 point. Six playoff appearances, four national title trips, two national titles, all of which was accomplished in 10 years. Second best team in South Carolina? Are you on crack?
@JA Lo If they go to the SEC or BIG then I don't think they are tucking tail, Michigan or OSU beats USC by 21+
@@SpaceX30 But Clemson lost to them, so that makes Clemson's program second-best in South Carolina. A place where top recruits no longer want to come because the guy in charge has been absolutely corrupted by absolute power. 😔😟😞
@@jalo5855 yeah I would of never seen their recruiting drop like that, Growing up Clemson was a power house
What about that AAU nonsense?
Joining the big 10 sounds about as horrible as the ACC schedule. Literally two teams I’d care to watch us play. They could go up 30% on tickets immediately in the SEC and probably need to stay or go down for us to come watch tomato cans.
Ohio State Michigan Penn State USC maybe others?
Don’t have to worry about it because Clemson isn’t going to be in the big 10
@@lordrayden3045their just not getting it.
@@jansonroberts2616
It does not appear so
The challenge for the Big Ten is that if you take the intersection of two groups, AAU members and schools that are decent/good in football, there are only a couple: UNC, Oregon, and maybe Washington. I think they would be happy with Oregon and Washington, and will probably stop there unless Notre Dame ever loosens their sphincter. No way would the Big Ten ever take Clemson or Florida State. It's the university presidents that get to vote, not the ADs, and they simply are not taking any non-AAU members.
Fans should have a voice in the vote as much as these school administrators
@@slibertas1996 Why? Fans don't vote on anything else. They don't vote on who to hire as the head football coach, or when to renovate the stadium, or which TV network to negotiate with. Why should they vote on who to let into the conference?
This guy is not making any sense ,Texas A&M has more money than South Carolina and they could not stop Texas from coming to the SEC how do you think South Carolina can stop Clemson from coming.
Yes who is this guy because he is clueless.
South carolina has no say in anything. Plus texas and texas a&m rivalry can make you money. Don't make sense to keep texas out
The SEC still.makes more sense to me because their biggest rival can be built into the league schedule. As non-conference games get squeezed out more and more, that could be a big deal.
Clemson will end up in the SEC and here's why:
The SEC cannot allow the B1G in its southern footprint and maintain any sort of parity in the coming system, the map just can't support it. Here's the script and you can see why:
THE FULL PICTURE IS IN! -August 11, 2022
ND TO STAY INDEPENDENT;
MIAMI IS IN, JOINING THE SEC!
(They're going to 25)
THE NEW FULL MEMO ON COLLEGE FOOTBALL REALIGNMENT...
Please remember, as Commissioner Warren said, these things are planned well in advance...
To the B1G (FOX): Pitt, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Utah, Oregon, Kansas, Arizona and Colorado for 25 (all here mentioned are AAU schools).
To the SEC (ESPN): NC(aau), Duke(aau), UVA(aau), Clemson, Florida St., West Virginia, Georgia Tech(aau), Miami and Virginia Tech for 25.
Notre Dame (NBC) (and BYU?) will stay independent with playoff access. Look for an independent alliance to include ND, BYU and the service academies moving forward.
NOTE: Divisions are only for the purpose of assuring regional play and reducing travel, and could be annually flexible by school requests. These divisions are likely to be more relevant in non football sports. The football teams with the top 4 (at least, could go to 8 [flexibility?], culminating with the Rose Bowl) conference records will go to the conference semifinals in early or mid December regardless of their divisions, and the conference championships are to be played on New Year's Day (B1G/Rose, SEC/Sugar, Third25/Cotton).
B1G25 Southern Pacific division
Cal
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Utah
B1G25 Northern Pacific division
Colorado
Nebraska
Stanford
Oregon
Washington
B1G25 Great Plains division
Minnesota
Iowa
Kansas
Wisconsin
Illinois
B1G25 Great Lakes division
Indiana
Purdue
Northwestern
Michigan
Michigan State
B1G25 Union division
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State
Pitt
Ohio State
Meet the SEC25:
Knowing that Pitt is going B1G, and 8 more ACC schools are going to the SEC, that's more than enough schools than needed to break the ACC contract.
Given the continuing regional continuity of the SEC, divisions will be even less significant than in the B1G. Maintaining certain rivalries and neighborly games will be more a matter of game "reservation" than divisional assignments. Again, the 4 (or 8, or a flexibility to assure fair access) best conference records of the SEC to play in semifinals in early December.
Texas
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Kentucky
Missouri
LSU
Miss State
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Florida St.
Georgia
Georgia Tech
South Carolina
Clemson
North Carolina
Duke
UVA
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Miami
The rest to comprise TheThird25 conference with access relegation to playoff eligible divisions (similar to Euro soccer leagues) with guaranteed football playoff slots for their top teams every year. (Realignment for non football sports in this third conference, as membership could include 40 or so schools, with likely only 25 members of which will start the football season with access to the national playoff, more permanent regional sub conferences will be needed, and allowing these regional divisions to develop organically is expected to be one of the final components, and possibly most time consuming, such that the networks/B1G/SEC intend to allow the third conference a couple years of organization before defining a final playoff structure.)
This third conference is going to be full of badass non AAU schools from coast to coast, will have playoff access, and likely compete well for national titles moving forward.
And now be introduced to TheThird25 Conference:
TheThird25 (Apple/Amazon/Innovative Media Delivery, -and maybe CBS)
(Assuming BYU stays independent)
1) Oklahoma St.
2) Washington St.
3) TCU
4) Arizona St.
5) Kansas St.
6) Baylor
7) Boise St.
8) San Diego St.
9) NC St.
10) Tulane (AAU school)
11) Rice (AAU school)
12) UCF(disney/espn)
13) Louisville
14) Cincinnati
15) Houston
16) Boston College
To finish TheThird25:
Utah State
Syracuse
Hawaii
Oregon State
Fresno State
Iowa State
Texas Tech
SMU
Memphis and/or Southern Miss or Wake Forrest or Colorado State or Tulsa or Wyoming or New Mexico or UConn or Nevada or UTEP or Army or Navy or Air Force... etc. Relegation clearly required.
The Eligible76 (77 - BYU?)
So that makes 76 teams with playoff access each year: B1G25, SEC25, TheThird25 (with relegation beyond 25), and independent Notre Dame (and BYU?).
B1G/SEC to play 9 of 11 regular season games in conference (4 division, 1 each in the other 4 divisions, plus 1 reserved/rivalry game =9), and 2 non conference games (1 allowed to be an opponent beyond the eligible76).
How can this happen?
Quite simply. -and in the end likely a value booster for all schools through the 3 mega conferences...
Except for the 32 currrent legacy members of the B1G/SEC, revenue sharing as we've known it is finished. The rest will be taken on and paid in accord with their relative fanbase/marketshare and other values brought to the table.
And they're selling this beautifully.... This has to be the single best dudes' soap opera to run the sportswire in some time. This is intentional.
It's a done deal, but milking the interest is just the first part of this brilliant college football marketing campaign. -or, blame capitalism. ✌🤠✌
Look for something called the "Independent Invitational" game to be played in early December alongside the conference semifinals, and to be managed by The Playoff Commission, playing Notre Dame (and/or BYU?) and possibly service academies against a team hoping to make a playoff or better bowl claim, or any other 2 teams the Commission may deem appropriate in a given year in order to help clarify and minimize their playoff selections upcoming after the bowls. (It has been proposed that any Division 1 school relegated beyond the eligible76 could achieve instant transcendence with an undefeated (11-0) season -w/10 D1 wins- and a likely invitation to the Independent Invitational prior to major bowl selection.)
The bowls will play out during the holidays and could have playoff selection implications depending on the year.
PLAYOFF FLEXIBILITY IS THE KEY
(setting an arbitrary number of playoff slots before the season plays out is a failed model):
The concept of yearly playoff flexibility should be incorporated. Every year is different; setting an arbitrary number of playoff slots before the season plays out inevitably rubs against fairness for the next team left out.
After the 3 Conference championships on New Year's Day (yielding 3 guaranteed advanced playoff births) the Playoff Commission should call no less than 4 teams, but up to 16, or any (even odd) number in between, such that no eligible undefeated team is left out (an "objective, measurable, clear and articulable delineation between the last team to qualify, and all remaining eligible teams..."), and playing such few games as necessary to answer but one question:
Who is number 1?
I'd love for Clemson and ND to join big 10
EVERYONE keeps saying that ND needs to go to the Big10. Notre Dame does NOT want in the Big10. Why won’t people accept that? They have stated this for decades, most recently last year. Yes they have a rivalry with Michigan State & a minor rivalry with Purdue. That’s it. Michigan “thinks” they have a rivalry with ND but ND is apathetic towards them.
Despite their location ND does not want to be known as a “Midwestern” school. That’s their guiding mantra. With USC & Stanford they have a presence on the west coast. (USC in Big10 doesn’t change that). They wanted a presence East & South. This is why they had a rivalry with Army & BC from 1920s-50s, Georgia Tech in 1960s-70s, Tennessee & Miami in 1980s-90s. This is why they joined Big East & later the ACC.
If ACC goes down ND would join Big 12, possibly the SEC. One conference they won’t join is Big10.
@@Manolo0528 I don't know where you are getting your info, but that's not what I've seen at all. The fans don't want in to the B1G but there are a number of staff/admin that wants to join at the right time.
@@badgernut3157 My info comes from PUBLIC STATEMENTS made by ND admin & AD’s over the decades including recently. Either you haven’t been paying attention or you think that the various Presidents & ADs have been saying one thing in public & something else in private for last 100 years & you have been privy to those private conversations.
The odds are far better that Clemson joins the Big 10 and wins a Big 10 championship before Notre Dame joins any conference. When they eventually will join one, it'll be the SEC, just to continue their tradition of being contrarians.
I think Clemson and FSU would be good fits into B1G. But I would hate to see the ACC collapse if that would happened.
Neither school is AAU. B1G No Go in our books.
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Just proves yall know nothing about clemson foitball
Clemson Fsu Miami and North Carolina to the big ten!
clemson would not have another winning season in the SEC.
Clemson will be sec. No debate.