because its a bus terminal. People take train and goes to Penn Station. People can't afford train take the bus and goes to Port Authority bus terminal.
Yes ... NY residents and other Americans are messy, so they do not know the cleanliness ... There will never be as nice cities as in eastern countries (Russia, China)
Living in my for only 3 years does not make you a a expert on nyc.Every real newyorker knows the worst place to be stuck at is the Port Authority bus terminal.
Oh God that is so true. I was visiting a year ago with a tourist group and as part of the schedule we had to take a bus from Port Authority to a mall in NJ and... I guess you have to go there to see it. The platforms are narrow and ugly, The buses for some reason only has a single door like that is so impractical! And I'm tired of seeing exposed pipes and public transport painted in silver grey it's disgusting
Roger Dominick Yep, PABT is terrible, exhaust-fume stinky, and a few of the signs for the boarding "door" lead you in circles. I missed my bus one night and the law cleared just about everyone out, so I went to NYPenn LIRR level and slept on the floor. I guess I didn't get rousted because I was wearing a suit. I find Newark Penn much worse on the platform levels especially in weather extremes.
Sadly, this "insider" is blissfully ignorant of Penn Station's layout. What he calls the "Amtrak level" was the original exit level, and would be more accurately called the LIRR level. (The Amtrak level-with its ticket windows and waiting rooms-is the old concourse from which he had descended.) The ugly corridor he erroneously believed to be for "employee access" is the Hilton Passageway. It is aligned with 32nd Street, and was designed to lead to the Seventh Avenue IRT and the Hotel Pennsylvania (whose other names have included Statler Hilton) rather than to connect with tracks and platforms it parallels. I hope this so-called insider knows more about the rest of New York than he does Penn Station.
The Comestiblog never knew there was someone this passionate about penn station. Let it go, it's a three minute video, not an MTV article. It's not gonna ruin any lives.
Imagine if he had to use the Port Authority Bus Terminal in the 80s and 90`s, where the buses come in, it would of sent him running to a mental asylum.
I used a Port Authority bus terminal on a regular basis as a commuter for sevearl years in the 1980s and 1990s. Even remember it being renovted. Every so often I still use it to get the subway, Its better then it was, safer today then 20 and 30 years ago.
As someone who lives in Chicago we feel your pain. We had a beautiful train station here once too that was demolished and now is a sterile looking dump!
You are really complaining about a train station? A FREAKING TRAIN STATION! It's not like you are gonna stay there for a long time, you are only there to catch a train, quit whining.
This is actually Penn Station at 3am. Check this crap out: bit.ly/2sFs2pE Just soak that all in. LOL, guy in the back is playing drum sticks on a chair, black guy just shoves the white lady in disgust and walks away, and you have a woman leaning ON TOP of the dirty ass garbage container applying eyeliner. A guy walks by with a backpack on and he walks in the most awkward robotic way like he's a plank of wood. HAHA, what is wrong with NYC?
I wouldn't say Penn Station is great compared to Union Station in DC. As a matter of fact I just came back from Penn Station and had a wonderful time in NYC. However, I'm surprised to find Penn Station would actually be considered a dangerous place. Everyone is so busy with their transfers no one has time to rob you. And you can see NYPD everywhere in NYC. New York is a very safe place.
I know I’m a bit late but for those that don’t know, Penn Station was once one of the most beautiful places in the US- “the biggest station”. Making grand central look like a spec.... but it was demolished. Before the landmark laws New York has a tendency of tearing things down, still kinda does cough cough gentrification in Brooklyn. Growing up on in the early 2000s and going to Penn station I was always amazed... lol and always confused on what those building were in pictures they have hanging up on some columns, being told that that’s what the station looked like was unbelievable. I’m 21 now and I’m honestly just disgusted, knowing it’s history, it shadows my nostalgia....
The original Penn Station was a monumental of nobility, virtue, and human aspiration. Today’s PS is the embodiment of greed, venality, and myopia. You’re free to choose whichever you prefer.
But then you would have never got the beautiful current Madison Square Garden. You'd still have to go to that old warehouse of an arena up on 50th street and 8th avenue. The old Garden was a shithole, the new Garden is a masterpiece!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am a native New Yorker but lived in New Jersey from 1988 - 2009 and commuted on NJTransit for 21 years out of Penn Station. I am also old enough to remember the original Penn Station which was beautiful but torn down in 1963 to build Madison Square Garden which sits on top of the station. I will forgive this NYC transplant for not doing a little research on "Pennsy's" history nor touring the entire station. NJTransit's side is newer and not awful at all. I would give anything to be able to live in NYC again. BTW - if you thought Penn Station is bad, you should check out Port Authority Bus Terminal. Even natives will agree that place is horrible. Just saying.
Penn station is like heaven compared to the Port Authority bus station which is only about 6 blocks up the road on 8th ave. Anything that the Port Authority has their hands on is for only one thing. To charge outrageous prices for anything they can get their hands on. Legalised crooks is all they are.
That might be true, but the 4th and current Madison Square Garden is much more beautiful than the old Garden that was on 8th Ave and 50th street. There's no comparison. I wonder if old timers would say the same thing about MSG?
Entitled tourists and their bags on wheels is the worst thing about Penn Station. One midwestern milk toast guy hit me with his bag on purpose once...didn’t end well for him and his wife. Other than that it’s in and out, the station is not a public square it’s a utility. Also, 3 years and you’ve never been? You must not get out of the city. Rockefeller Tree lighting is for rookies and who still gets mugged nowadays? Must look like a mark. Bet you fall for the broken bottle scam too.
Never thought the totally underground Penn Station was bad at all. From the time I was a little kid I always enjoyed going through there. In the late 70's, when I was about 14, I had a paper route just to afford to ride around the LIRR system. Penn was the ultimate destination. Loved the newsstands, coffee shops, hot dog joints and pizza places. I'm probably the only one NOT excited about the new building/revamp of Penn.
I was a runaway at age 15 in February 1971. My girlfriend and I (she was 17) escaped from the Institute of Living, took a train from Hartford to Grand Central, walked to Penn Station, and took a bus to Michigan. It was weird, but then they all were. That's part of the fun.
The original Pennsylvania Station was arguably the grandest of all of America's railroad passenger terminals, but it was sadly torn down in the name of profit over heritage before efforts could be raised to save it.
New York Penn Station is not that bad. I was there yesterday, and really didn't have any problems. The only thing I experience is homeless people begging for money. Other than that, nothing happened whenever I was in Penn Station. The one in Newark is worse.
That's actually the worst things I've experienced on the subways. This guy said he had a worse time when he was mugged. I've NEVER been mugged in NYC, and I've walked though the South Bronx, Morris Heights, Harlem. Brownsville in Brooklyn, Jamaica in Queens and even Central Park at dusk.
Juicytaz201 Productions word...go 2 newark and try 2 shoot that video...there is bout 2 be robbery wit ur dumb ass lol and who tf says mugged anymore??this aint the 70's.lol if that's the case then he's a jive turkey.
Newark is actually much more pleasant well maintaned and nucer than penn station. It quiet ironic because quiet possible only thing in newark that better than eqvilent thing in nyc
Penn Station was a BIG mistake. Now we're doing the same in Stuttgart/ Germany. So sad. And it is not about the train station. It is about real estate & shopping malls.
I've never even been outside of the Midwest and I can tell you with a straight face that this station is not nearly as bad as some places in New York. I can only imagine what real New Yorkers think about you.
Hmmm... Okay whats worse? Are there like starving children begging, or garbage on the platforms ,or a rush hour like tokyo or bombay? If anything you should be happy with how it is First World problems
I don't think he realizes that the platforms at Grand Central aren't much to look at either, if we're going to compare exposed piping at platform level. Not to mention, the PA Bus Terminal is a thing...
Quit complaining. You got the most beautiful new arena build in its place in 1968. The 4th and current Madison Square Garden is better than that old warehouse of an arena that use to be used on 50th street
This is absurd. Yes, there's an old joke about how a drunk staggers out of Penn onto the street and finds one of his drinking pals and says "Boy - I was just down in some guy's basement and you should see the set of trains he has!" - but it's not awful. It basically is a vast basement but it's not dark, there's a great variety of convenience goods and food and drink for sale. The loss of the old building was a tragedy of my distant youth however it's by far not the worst place in New York, by a long shot. A rebuild will be welcome, as long as it's got some esthetics as well as better creature comforts for the public.
It is not bad, just say I have been a lot of times to Paris. And the metro their is way worser. I’m not from NY (I’m going this summier holiday, so that is reason why I am accidentally here. I was just searching for some good places to go in NY. ) But is is not bad, I really thought it gonna be something like, were like really a lot of homeless people stay. We’re everywhere it smells like pee. And the station is gonna collapse. And yeah in Paris there are a lot of homeless people and it smells like pee.
NY decided to tear down the original Penn Station, which was as majestic as Grand Central or better. Now they want to spend 3 billion on this thing. They love to waste our money.
Yeah Penn Station is rough but I still dislike Port Authority even more, those narrow escalators that sometimes work, tiny waiting area for the buses, if you miss your bus you have to wait almost a half hour or more for the next one, Port Authority employees who are suppose to help you but instead make it difficult, I used one of those machines where you pay for tickets when the booths are closed & it just took my money, one employee made me walk to another one which was far away from my gate & it didn't work, I asked another employee & they claimed they were busy but were just gossiping with other workers, almost missed my bus & it was the last one smh
Tearing down the original Pennsylvania Station was one of the STUPIDEST things ever done! Thank God Grand Central was able to be brought back from Hell.
I remember visiting NYC five times '85-95, and made a point to walk the "Highline" (not so named , even then but it was difficult but fun) to "Looking" for Penn Station as I had conflicting architectural information; one was even a Beaux Arts/Victorian monolith of spindly riveted girders and overhead glass, no doubt difficult to upkeep. And there was not the resources of 1985-1987 internet at that time. I didn't even go inside, which might have scarred me for life; by then I'd already done the Bus Terminal. I stood there, looking at the pitiful Sixties gold cylinder and asking out loud, "Is THAT all there is?"
Been using it most of my life, over 30 years. All I care is that I know my way around it like the back of my hand and can't get lost going around crowds. It's always been dreary, though.
Seeing the Christmas Tree in Rockefeller Center is Going through Hell. Like ppl keep pushing you, you might get lost (almost did when I was 12) But the scenery is worth it. Also them Spray Paint art are so mesmerizing. Lol Don’t mind me I’m just a Fellow New Yorker that just happens to live in New York City
Pennsylvania Station used to be a superb building modelled after the Baths of the Emperor Caracalla. Incredibly, the iconoclasts and dimwits of Urban Renewal demolished it to build this drab, ugly, angular, tall, "practical" high rise. Twentieth Century architecture, with a few exceptions, has bequeathed us a plethora of atrocities everywhere on earth. From Soviet rows of sinister apartment buildings to Penn Station and more, the somber and stubborn dogma of "simplicity and functionality" has been an international catastrophe
The worse place is where something harmful against your person or property transpires. Penn does not look too bad in itself. To some, dingy in comparison, to others claustrophobic in relation, but in itself, not too bad. Thanks for the clip.
Place not even that bad port authority bus terminal was worse tho my mom would always go to New Jersey for church and the prices over there was mad expensive so we had to take bootleg busses over there
Honestly, I like New York Penn. The service it provides not just to NYC but also to the whole North East region is unparrelled in the nation. It has NYC subway, LIRR, NJ transit, Metro north and Amtrak services. And despite this, it is in the heart of Manhattan unlike NYC airports which are in Queens.
Tbh no offence, but you should see any train station in India. The stations are almost always OPEN, there are always TOO MANY PEOPLE, and many other countless problems. Oh and, don't forget the random dogs, pigs, cows and other random animals just roaming the place. I'm not sure it happens in train stations, but in a bus station I went a few days ago in a small pilgrim town, the power went out, and it was complete darkness for about 30-40 mins. And in train station, without any notice, a train may show up on the wrong platform (meaning you have to cross LIVE TRACK), a train may show up BACKWARDS, meaning you have to walk from one end to the train to the other (about 10-15 cars). Imagine the pain the handicapped people and seniors feel in those kind of places. Paint is chipping??? Come see the stations here. Then you will understand the real meaning of "crumbling". And you people complain about that decent-looking train station. :|. BTW, I am not putting down India or anything. India is such a beautiful country. I am just saying how the Indian train stations need help and renovation, just like the Penn station is getting a new renovation to fix all the current (mostly nonexistent) issues (compared to the train stations here).
I’ve been to New York as a tourist one time and been to both port authority and penn station. Neither time I was there was it super busy so take what I say with a grain of salt. I was alone both times was extremely lost and confused and it was very hot. Yeah the walls and floor and ceiling were dirty but it wasn’t the worst thing. Port authority wasn’t that bad in my opinion. I did have trouble navigating but eventually found my bus and it was fairly easy. The only real complaint as a tourist I would have for penn station is how confusing it is and how whenever I’d ask an employee for directions they’d just point and say “it’s that way” and then that “way” would branch out to even more corridors.
I grew up going to Penn Station, since I lived and Long Island and it the only station in Manhattan that the Long Island Railroad (LIRR) and I always disagree when my mother says that "this station is terrible" because I always went there and got used to it, so its kinda bad but its ok. P.S. Grand Central is majestic because its old and is apart of history, the original Penn Station is now a post office, this is the new one they didn't want to spend to much time building.
I used to live in NY Long Island. I live in Florida. My last time at Penn Station was in July. They were doing work on the A C E subways side on 8th Street. I need to ask. R they doing work on that side?
No the worst place, is walking between 31st -33rd and 7th Ave at 5pm to 6pm (5:05-5:30pm) Now for New Yorkers that live in the 5 boroughs of NYC, that’s definitely the worst.
I commute via NYP and leaves a lot to be desired. However, it’s functional enough for those of us who use it daily and far better than that cesspool 10 blocks up on 8th Ave. (PABT)
If I ran a city with New York's level of infrastructure, I would keep those stations the way they are. I'm sure there is a better wording of this, but I'm calling it contemporary aesthetics... things that look aesthetically pleasing to the eye in times of the present. After a while, styles change and we have a desire to look at something newer because we are either bored of the old model or it is badly falling apart. Penn Station doesn't look like the utilities or supports are doing to badly, and it looks like it functions like a real station. I'm a huge believer in functionality and if it isn't broke, don't fix it.
My father, who was a US Navy sailor during WW II had his own version of the Lord's Prayer based on his travels to and from Navy ports. Part of the prayer included the words: "And lead us not into Penn Station". Now I know why.
Haha, this is nothing. These people are complaining about standard conditions. A station doesn’t have to be perfect for it to work. Take Toronto Union Station for example, the underground parts were under renovations and it was dirty and musty but I thought “Hey, it’s better than sitting in security.”
Okay, so I've been living in NYC since 2014. I'm not a New Yorker, but I will say.... PENN STATION IS HELL. The NJ Transit is trash af. HOWEVER, I'd rather be at Penn Station than Port Authority, that is a literal hell hole.
This video was made by a Newbie who is confusing Manhattan with New York City! NYC consists of five boroughs! The Bronx, Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn, and Staten Island!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop making videos of MY NYC until you realize its full girth!
I went on a vacation and starting from new jersey, I went to Penn station, using NJ transit and I could agree that it is a bit dark like it could use a bit more lights but everything is all fine. I don't see anything bad about the station at all.
The only people who would complain about a train station which looks like that have never travelled outside the comfort of a developed country. It's not a place to hang out with your friends, you're going somewhere else.
I passed by the Penn station during my visits to NYC in 2013 and 2014. It is not a bad place at all but it is definitely not perfect like every station. The people were helpful to me and once i was planning to buy cake as a gift on my way to visits friends who were living in nearby wayne, NJ. I managed quickly to find a good shop to buy them before i boarded a train to visit my friends house in Wayne,NJ. Using this station will remain better than getting stucked at the heavy daily traffics of Manhattan and also cheaper than the expensive Taxi cabs of New York. The most interesting thing was seeing the lovely world of the real New York city after leaving the station
+ploopy523 I'm not from NYC, but am visiting soon-- should I stay away from Bed-Stuy and the Bronx? I heard they weren't that bad, but I heard that from the Internet. I'll be staying in Queens, which I'm hoping is safe.. any info would be much appreciated.
There was a really neat proposal to purchase the classic post office structure just across the street and renovate it to become the new Penn Station. Money was spent on the research. Cool factor is that the architecture is similar to that of the original Penn Station that was torn down in 1963. Yet, that idea was tossed and now the proposal is to renovate the current structure (again?).
Have travelled through Penn Station at least twice a month for a while, and...why haven't I seen that passageway? I usually use NJ Transit and Amtrak Concourses, and they're both not the 'employee passageway'. I don't think that November (the first time I go to Penn Station) and August of the same year would make that difference...
The worst place in NYC is 12 blocks away in Times Square. It's called the Port Authority Bus Terminal.
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Juan Santiago amen 🙇🏻
Try anywhere in the South Bronx between seven pm and two in the morning.
Why is it so bad?
because its a bus terminal. People take train and goes to Penn Station. People can't afford train take the bus and goes to Port Authority bus terminal.
You can tell he is not a real new Yorker
Yes!! undeed
shoulda been around for the 70s and walked around almost anywhere...he wouldve ran back to iowa .
Well he's lived in Nyc for only 3 years. 😂
That doesn't excuse that Penn Station isn't the best place to be on earth.
Yes ... NY residents and other Americans are messy, so they do not know the cleanliness ... There will never be as nice cities as in eastern countries (Russia, China)
Living in my for only 3 years does not make you a a expert on nyc.Every real newyorker knows the worst place to be stuck at is the Port Authority bus terminal.
Thats what I was thinking, and I`m Canadian. Guess I used enough times back in the day, when flights were still very expensive.
Oh God that is so true. I was visiting a year ago with a tourist group and as part of the schedule we had to take a bus from Port Authority to a mall in NJ and... I guess you have to go there to see it. The platforms are narrow and ugly, The buses for some reason only has a single door like that is so impractical! And I'm tired of seeing exposed pipes and public transport painted in silver grey it's disgusting
Roger Dominick PA bus terminal is horrible at rush hour especially waiting for the bus
Roger Dominick Yep, PABT is terrible, exhaust-fume stinky, and a few of the signs for the boarding "door" lead you in circles. I missed my bus one night and the law cleared just about everyone out, so I went to NYPenn LIRR level and slept on the floor. I guess I didn't get rousted because I was wearing a suit.
I find Newark Penn much worse on the platform levels especially in weather extremes.
It’s really seedy late at night. I’ve caught a few late night busses back to Pittsburgh... yikes! Lol 😂
Sadly, this "insider" is blissfully ignorant of Penn Station's layout. What he calls the "Amtrak level" was the original exit level, and would be more accurately called the LIRR level. (The Amtrak level-with its ticket windows and waiting rooms-is the old concourse from which he had descended.) The ugly corridor he erroneously believed to be for "employee access" is the Hilton Passageway. It is aligned with 32nd Street, and was designed to lead to the Seventh Avenue IRT and the Hotel Pennsylvania (whose other names have included Statler Hilton) rather than to connect with tracks and platforms it parallels. I hope this so-called insider knows more about the rest of New York than he does Penn Station.
Damn right. Pay attention you tourists and stay out of our way when we are trying to get to work.
The Comestiblog never knew there was someone this passionate about penn station. Let it go, it's a three minute video, not an MTV article. It's not gonna ruin any lives.
Oh yeah, now you put it that way it's a brilliant, modern station isn it. It's a dump and you know it. Stop trying to defend the indefensible.
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Does he even know what LIRR exists? Can he not read the signs? Not every train is Amtrak.
Nothing like comments from non-newyorker.
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Phoenix Ro EXACTLY!! So rude!!! I love Penn Station!
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Phoenix Ro 🙌🙌
Why? Because non-New Yorkers have too high standards after seeing amazing infrastructure in Europe and Asia? LOL.
wow is this ur worst train station? i envy you...come here visit philippines MRT or LRT stations.. :)
joel panopio my everyday life. LRT 2 is pretty good though.
I miss the Philippines
Ella Sansolis me too
Where can I find the mrt station near PUP?
joel panopio Kamusta!
Imagine if he had to use the Port Authority Bus Terminal in the 80s and 90`s, where the buses come in, it would of sent him running to a mental asylum.
I used a Port Authority bus terminal on a regular basis as a commuter for sevearl years in the 1980s and 1990s. Even remember it being renovted. Every so often I still use it to get the subway, Its better then it was, safer today then 20 and 30 years ago.
As someone who lives in Chicago we feel your pain. We had a beautiful train station here once too that was demolished and now is a sterile looking dump!
You are really complaining about a train station? A FREAKING TRAIN STATION! It's not like you are gonna stay there for a long time, you are only there to catch a train, quit whining.
I'd say, sell your Mustang and travel to different cleaner countries. You should have higher standard of living than this.
Matt why tho
AlexMustang That's not an excuse to don't keep it clean though.
Try actually going there and navigating it.
do y’all in the replies even live in nyc
Penn Station used to be beautiful and grand until the 1960's when it was demolished
I work nights in the city. I've hung out in Penn Station at 3am waiting for the train. Now that's an interesting time!
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NYfan92 😈 time
This is actually Penn Station at 3am. Check this crap out:
bit.ly/2sFs2pE
Just soak that all in. LOL, guy in the back is playing drum sticks on a chair, black guy just shoves the white lady in disgust and walks away, and you have a woman leaning ON TOP of the dirty ass garbage container applying eyeliner. A guy walks by with a backpack on and he walks in the most awkward robotic way like he's a plank of wood. HAHA, what is wrong with NYC?
Jim Brown
Still waiting on that attention, huh?
Thanks for giving me attention Greg. You made my day by alerting me. I need self validation. I feel important now.
I wouldn't say Penn Station is great compared to Union Station in DC. As a matter of fact I just came back from Penn Station and had a wonderful time in NYC. However, I'm surprised to find Penn Station would actually be considered a dangerous place. Everyone is so busy with their transfers no one has time to rob you. And you can see NYPD everywhere in NYC. New York is a very safe place.
I loved Union Station in DC. 30th Street station in Philly is nice too.
He didnt say it was dangerous.
*sees the Hamilton posters and dies*
me tho
*screams because i'm not alone*
Ikr
*what pokemon has the name Hamilton*
That and tearing the damn eye sore down would just about it
I know I’m a bit late but for those that don’t know, Penn Station was once one of the most beautiful places in the US- “the biggest station”. Making grand central look like a spec.... but it was demolished. Before the landmark laws New York has a tendency of tearing things down, still kinda does cough cough gentrification in Brooklyn. Growing up on in the early 2000s and going to Penn station I was always amazed... lol and always confused on what those building were in pictures they have hanging up on some columns, being told that that’s what the station looked like was unbelievable. I’m 21 now and I’m honestly just disgusted, knowing it’s history, it shadows my nostalgia....
To me it looks like an old and run down station handling far more passengers then it was built for, somewhere in need of a update and facelift.
Take a look at Chambers Street subway station and you will see that this one is very, VERY good compared to Chambers Street
The original Penn Station was a monumental of nobility, virtue, and human aspiration. Today’s PS is the embodiment of greed, venality, and myopia. You’re free to choose whichever you prefer.
everyone complaining about the Penn station but can we talk about... 1:00 HAMILTON!? 😍
Reb plz IKR!
Omg I love Hamilton!! That play was amazing 😍😍😍
Reb plz OMG YASSSSSSSSS HAMILTON!!!!
Reb plz YASSSS HAMILTON FOR LIFE BOI
Reb plz IKR?!
They should’ve never torn down the original penn station.
But then you would have never got the beautiful current Madison Square Garden. You'd still have to go to that old warehouse of an arena up on 50th street and 8th avenue. The old Garden was a shithole, the new Garden is a masterpiece!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it.s about time that Penn station is going to get a rebuild and remodel
I am a native New Yorker but lived in New Jersey from 1988 - 2009 and commuted on NJTransit for 21 years out of Penn Station. I am also old enough to remember the original Penn Station which was beautiful but torn down in 1963 to build Madison Square Garden which sits on top of the station. I will forgive this NYC transplant for not doing a little research on "Pennsy's" history nor touring the entire station. NJTransit's side is newer and not awful at all. I would give anything to be able to live in NYC again. BTW - if you thought Penn Station is bad, you should check out Port Authority Bus Terminal. Even natives will agree that place is horrible. Just saying.
Penn station is like heaven compared to the Port Authority bus station which is only about 6 blocks up the road on 8th ave.
Anything that the Port Authority has their hands on is for only one thing. To charge outrageous prices for anything they can get their hands on. Legalised crooks is all they are.
Old timers will tell you that when you compare it against the original Penn Station...this place is hell.
That might be true, but the 4th and current Madison Square Garden is much more beautiful than the old Garden that was on 8th Ave and 50th street. There's no comparison. I wonder if old timers would say the same thing about MSG?
Entitled tourists and their bags on wheels is the worst thing about Penn Station. One midwestern milk toast guy hit me with his bag on purpose once...didn’t end well for him and his wife. Other than that it’s in and out, the station is not a public square it’s a utility.
Also, 3 years and you’ve never been? You must not get out of the city. Rockefeller Tree lighting is for rookies and who still gets mugged nowadays? Must look like a mark. Bet you fall for the broken bottle scam too.
Never thought the totally underground Penn Station was bad at all. From the time I was a little kid I always enjoyed going through there. In the late 70's, when I was about 14, I had a paper route just to afford to ride around the LIRR system. Penn was the ultimate destination. Loved the newsstands, coffee shops, hot dog joints and pizza places. I'm probably the only one NOT excited about the new building/revamp of Penn.
I was a runaway at age 15 in February 1971. My girlfriend and I (she was 17) escaped from the Institute of Living, took a train from Hartford to Grand Central, walked to Penn Station, and took a bus to Michigan. It was weird, but then they all were. That's part of the fun.
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The original Pennsylvania Station was arguably the grandest of all of America's railroad passenger terminals, but it was sadly torn down in the name of profit over heritage before efforts could be raised to save it.
New York Penn Station is not that bad. I was there yesterday, and really didn't have any problems. The only thing I experience is homeless people begging for money. Other than that, nothing happened whenever I was in Penn Station. The one in Newark is worse.
That's actually the worst things I've experienced on the subways. This guy said he had a worse time when he was mugged. I've NEVER been mugged in NYC, and I've walked though the South Bronx, Morris Heights, Harlem. Brownsville in Brooklyn, Jamaica in Queens and even Central Park at dusk.
3 billion to renovate the station? Somebody in the mafia is making a crapload of money..
try Newark Penn station
Juicytaz201 Productions word...go 2 newark and try 2 shoot that video...there is bout 2 be robbery wit ur dumb ass lol and who tf says mugged anymore??this aint the 70's.lol if that's the case then he's a jive turkey.
NOPE Quite decent, and fixed up and in good shape when I was last there in 2009, so it must be way better now.
Been to that one never went inside yet
Newark is actually much more pleasant well maintaned and nucer than penn station. It quiet ironic because quiet possible only thing in newark that better than eqvilent thing in nyc
You can really get feel for bad is by going once 5 mins it when there every though you will espically when is delayed track work or derailing
Penn Station was a BIG mistake. Now we're doing the same in Stuttgart/ Germany. So sad. And it is not about the train station. It is about real estate & shopping malls.
my God! i'm wondering what will be your reaction when u visit one of the railway stations in India...
I've never even been outside of the Midwest and I can tell you with a straight face that this station is not nearly as bad as some places in New York. I can only imagine what real New Yorkers think about you.
I actually kind of like it
II Thomas II I thought I was the only one
Ikr, its kinda spooky, like a haunted house
I know! Right? I love it especially during the time I went to stony brook university. It literally bring me to anywhere I want. 🤗
same
@@bluebird6039 I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people familiar with Old Penn Station.
I started to pay attention when I saw the Hamilton poster.
Alicia Moreno ME TOO
Alicia Moreno I felt life rush back to me!!!
Hmmm... Okay whats worse? Are there like starving children begging, or garbage on the platforms ,or a rush hour like tokyo or bombay?
If anything you should be happy with how it is
First World problems
tokyo is first world too
I don't think he realizes that the platforms at Grand Central aren't much to look at either, if we're going to compare exposed piping at platform level. Not to mention, the PA Bus Terminal is a thing...
All I can say is Bruh please! Gtfoh! I love Penn Station!
ya'll should have seen and compared it to its ancestor structure that never saw perservation
They demolished the beautiful grand penn station for this crap. It would’ve been perfect if it was still here.
Quit complaining. You got the most beautiful new arena build in its place in 1968. The 4th and current Madison Square Garden is better than that old warehouse of an arena that use to be used on 50th street
@@bartonpercival3216 could’ve went anywhere else but a transportation hub
@@bartonpercival3216 that arena’s architecture is replaceable not old Penn
This is absurd. Yes, there's an old joke about how a drunk staggers out of Penn onto the street and finds one of his drinking pals and says "Boy - I was just down in some guy's basement and you should see the set of trains he has!" - but it's not awful. It basically is a vast basement but it's not dark, there's a great variety of convenience goods and food and drink for sale. The loss of the old building was a tragedy of my distant youth however it's by far not the worst place in New York, by a long shot. A rebuild will be welcome, as long as it's got some esthetics as well as better creature comforts for the public.
Yes, and don't forget, NYC did get "The world's most famous arena Madison Square Garden in place of the old Penn station!!!!!!!!!! 👍🇺🇲
boo fuckin hoo
Nah, the Port Authority Bus Terminal makes Penn Station look like Grand Central.
It is not bad, just say I have been a lot of times to Paris. And the metro their is way worser. I’m not from NY (I’m going this summier holiday, so that is reason why I am accidentally here. I was just searching for some good places to go in NY. ) But is is not bad, I really thought it gonna be something like, were like really a lot of homeless people stay. We’re everywhere it smells like pee. And the station is gonna collapse. And yeah in Paris there are a lot of homeless people and it smells like pee.
They should have never torn down the original Penn Station,..it was AMAZING!
Yeah, it most definitely IS THAT BAD! At least is WAS in the 1990’s before I got the HELL out of New York City and relocated to San Diego..
That's the "worst place" ? man... you never see any train station in Dallas - Texas.
NY decided to tear down the original Penn Station, which was as majestic as Grand Central or better. Now they want to spend 3 billion on this thing. They love to waste our money.
Oh no our train station doesn’t have golden pathways let’s waste 3 Billion dollars to fix it
Lol. This is FAR from the worst place in New York. Had he been in Times Square I would have agreed 100%.
Yeah Penn Station is rough but I still dislike Port Authority even more, those narrow escalators that sometimes work, tiny waiting area for the buses, if you miss your bus you have to wait almost a half hour or more for the next one, Port Authority employees who are suppose to help you but instead make it difficult, I used one of those machines where you pay for tickets when the booths are closed & it just took my money, one employee made me walk to another one which was far away from my gate & it didn't work, I asked another employee & they claimed they were busy but were just gossiping with other workers, almost missed my bus & it was the last one smh
gonna find myself navigating this station in June, and I don't wanna get lost or ripped off. Any advice?
3 billion dollars? Elon is building an entire network of shuttles under Chicago for 1 billion
Tearing down the original Pennsylvania Station was one of the STUPIDEST things ever done! Thank God Grand Central was able to be brought back from Hell.
I've lived near Penn Station for over 20 years. I go there all the time. Nothing wrong with Penn Sta.
This is why New York City is one of the best places to visit. You get the best of both worlds, good and bad! It adds texture and attitude too!
The LIRR as a whole is awful. I left NY because I could not stand to be on that train anymore.
I remember visiting NYC five times '85-95, and made a point to walk the "Highline" (not so named , even then but it was difficult but fun) to "Looking" for Penn Station as I had conflicting architectural information; one was even a Beaux Arts/Victorian monolith of spindly riveted girders and overhead glass, no doubt difficult to upkeep. And there was not the resources of 1985-1987 internet at that time. I didn't even go inside, which might have scarred me for life; by then I'd already done the Bus Terminal. I stood there, looking at the pitiful Sixties gold cylinder and asking out loud, "Is THAT all there is?"
Been using it most of my life, over 30 years. All I care is that I know my way around it like the back of my hand and can't get lost going around crowds. It's always been dreary, though.
WHY ARE THEY COVERING HAMILTON POSTERS WITH BINS!!!!!!!!!! WHYY
Seeing the Christmas Tree in Rockefeller Center is Going through Hell. Like ppl keep pushing you, you might get lost (almost did when I was 12) But the scenery is worth it. Also them Spray Paint art are so mesmerizing. Lol Don’t mind me I’m just a Fellow New Yorker that just happens to live in New York City
Pennsylvania Station used to be a superb building modelled after the Baths of the Emperor Caracalla. Incredibly, the iconoclasts and dimwits of Urban Renewal demolished it to build this drab, ugly, angular, tall, "practical" high rise. Twentieth Century architecture, with a few exceptions, has bequeathed us a plethora of atrocities everywhere on earth. From Soviet rows of sinister apartment buildings to Penn Station and more, the somber and stubborn dogma of "simplicity and functionality" has been an international catastrophe
The worse place is where something harmful against your person or property transpires. Penn does not look too bad in itself. To some, dingy in comparison, to others claustrophobic in relation, but in itself, not too bad. Thanks for the clip.
Place not even that bad port authority bus terminal was worse tho my mom would always go to New Jersey for church and the prices over there was mad expensive so we had to take bootleg busses over there
All I want in life is for the original Penn station and the Singer Building to come back.
Honestly, I like New York Penn. The service it provides not just to NYC but also to the whole North East region is unparrelled in the nation. It has NYC subway, LIRR, NJ transit, Metro north and Amtrak services. And despite this, it is in the heart of Manhattan unlike NYC airports which are in Queens.
Tbh no offence, but you should see any train station in India. The stations are almost always OPEN, there are always TOO MANY PEOPLE, and many other countless problems. Oh and, don't forget the random dogs, pigs, cows and other random animals just roaming the place. I'm not sure it happens in train stations, but in a bus station I went a few days ago in a small pilgrim town, the power went out, and it was complete darkness for about 30-40 mins. And in train station, without any notice, a train may show up on the wrong platform (meaning you have to cross LIVE TRACK), a train may show up BACKWARDS, meaning you have to walk from one end to the train to the other (about 10-15 cars). Imagine the pain the handicapped people and seniors feel in those kind of places. Paint is chipping??? Come see the stations here. Then you will understand the real meaning of "crumbling". And you people complain about that decent-looking train station. :|. BTW, I am not putting down India or anything. India is such a beautiful country. I am just saying how the Indian train stations need help and renovation, just like the Penn station is getting a new renovation to fix all the current (mostly nonexistent) issues (compared to the train stations here).
I’ve been to New York as a tourist one time and been to both port authority and penn station. Neither time I was there was it super busy so take what I say with a grain of salt. I was alone both times was extremely lost and confused and it was very hot. Yeah the walls and floor and ceiling were dirty but it wasn’t the worst thing. Port authority wasn’t that bad in my opinion. I did have trouble navigating but eventually found my bus and it was fairly easy. The only real complaint as a tourist I would have for penn station is how confusing it is and how whenever I’d ask an employee for directions they’d just point and say “it’s that way” and then that “way” would branch out to even more corridors.
I grew up going to Penn Station, since I lived and Long Island and it the only station in Manhattan that the Long Island Railroad (LIRR) and I always disagree when my mother says that "this station is terrible" because I always went there and got used to it, so its kinda bad but its ok.
P.S. Grand Central is majestic because its old and is apart of history, the original Penn Station is now a post office, this is the new one they didn't want to spend to much time building.
In New York for three years and he doesn't know it's Grand Central Terminal, not Station.
Grand Central Station is a post office.
Jackie Kennedy tried to save Penn Station, it was one of the most majestic buildings at the time, but they tore down in the hope improving efficiency.
The worst place in NYC is anywhere you can buy a sprite when it's 100 degrees out
Commuted through Penn Station for 27 years. It has always been one big toilet. It can never match up to Grand Central.
I used to live in NY Long Island. I live in Florida. My last time at Penn Station was in July. They were doing work on the A C E subways side on 8th Street. I need to ask. R they doing work on that side?
No the worst place, is walking between 31st -33rd and 7th Ave at 5pm to 6pm (5:05-5:30pm) Now for New Yorkers that live in the 5 boroughs of NYC, that’s definitely the worst.
I commute via NYP and leaves a lot to be desired. However, it’s functional enough for those of us who use it daily and far better than that cesspool 10 blocks up on 8th Ave. (PABT)
New Yorkers are so whiny
No, just transplants.
Well if they hadn't torn the original station down in 1964 & preserved it, maybe it would have been a different story today !!!
If I ran a city with New York's level of infrastructure, I would keep those stations the way they are. I'm sure there is a better wording of this, but I'm calling it contemporary aesthetics... things that look aesthetically pleasing to the eye in times of the present. After a while, styles change and we have a desire to look at something newer because we are either bored of the old model or it is badly falling apart. Penn Station doesn't look like the utilities or supports are doing to badly, and it looks like it functions like a real station. I'm a huge believer in functionality and if it isn't broke, don't fix it.
I’m not from New York but that doesn’t even look bad at all I wouldn’t mind going to that station
My father, who was a US Navy sailor during WW II had his own version of the Lord's Prayer based on his travels to and from Navy ports. Part of the prayer included the words: "And lead us not into Penn Station". Now I know why.
Haha, this is nothing. These people are complaining about standard conditions. A station doesn’t have to be perfect for it to work. Take Toronto Union Station for example, the underground parts were under renovations and it was dirty and musty but I thought “Hey, it’s better than sitting in security.”
The only thing worse than Penn Station is traveling every day there from New Jersey.
If he thinks Penn Station is bad, he should see the Port Authority Bus Terminal. Infinitely worse.
Penn station used to be as good as GCS
Okay, so I've been living in NYC since 2014. I'm not a New Yorker, but I will say.... PENN STATION IS HELL. The NJ Transit is trash af. HOWEVER, I'd rather be at Penn Station than Port Authority, that is a literal hell hole.
This video was made by a Newbie who is confusing Manhattan with New York City! NYC consists of five boroughs! The Bronx, Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn, and Staten Island!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop making videos of MY NYC until you realize its full girth!
Well this is basically every single English train station ever .
Like I'm not even joking this is normal for us.
It has a reputation because they destroyed the old Penn station, which looks better then the Grand Central Station
Lmao 😂 I wonder what his reaction would be if he ever went to the MRT and LRT station here in the Philippines. 😂😂😂
He's never seen the tube in London or the metro in Paris or Rome.
Have you noticed that Penn Station is really *_”Dark... and... dingy”_*
I went on a vacation and starting from new jersey, I went to Penn station, using NJ transit and I could agree that it is a bit dark like it could use a bit more lights but everything is all fine. I don't see anything bad about the station at all.
Oh, I'd expect the worst place to be in New York was Trump tower.
I'm still right
Watermeloon that would be javitz center. Site of the biggest loser party ever.
The only people who would complain about a train station which looks like that have never travelled outside the comfort of a developed country. It's not a place to hang out with your friends, you're going somewhere else.
And here i am,on the other side of the country.Happly watching this know that this is *REALLY* far away.
I passed by the Penn station during my visits to NYC in 2013 and 2014. It is not a bad place at all but it is definitely not perfect like every station. The people were helpful to me and once i was planning to buy cake as a gift on my way to visits friends who were living in nearby wayne, NJ. I managed quickly to find a good shop to buy them before i boarded a train to visit my friends house in Wayne,NJ. Using this station will remain better than getting stucked at the heavy daily traffics of Manhattan and also cheaper than the expensive Taxi cabs of New York. The most interesting thing was seeing the lovely world of the real New York city after leaving the station
Fix the title, it is not the worst place in NYC, there are so many other places.
Agreed!
It's not like he's hanging out in Bed-Stuy or The Bronx
ploopy523 Tru, he might get jumped tho😂
+ploopy523 I'm not from NYC, but am visiting soon-- should I stay away from Bed-Stuy and the Bronx? I heard they weren't that bad, but I heard that from the Internet. I'll be staying in Queens, which I'm hoping is safe.. any info would be much appreciated.
I live in Bed Stuy it depends on where you at
There was a really neat proposal to purchase the classic post office structure just across the street and renovate it to become the new Penn Station. Money was spent on the research. Cool factor is that the architecture is similar to that of the original Penn Station that was torn down in 1963. Yet, that idea was tossed and now the proposal is to renovate the current structure (again?).
Have travelled through Penn Station at least twice a month for a while, and...why haven't I seen that passageway? I usually use NJ Transit and Amtrak Concourses, and they're both not the 'employee passageway'. I don't think that November (the first time I go to Penn Station) and August of the same year would make that difference...
Everyone is freaking out about the guy,I'm over here freaking out over the amount of hamilton advertising.