Why did Ash Always Lose? | Defending Ash Ketchum (and Alola League Predictions) - CMG
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- NOTE: This video was made pre-Alola League.
Ash Ketchum is notorious for losing every #Pokemon League he's ever participated in and is generally considered to be a bad trainer, but to me, that's just some bandwagon normie opinion that nobody bothers to challenge, so today, I'll be coming to the defense of Ash Ketchum and rationalizing his L's.
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One thing you missed? In Japanese the gym leaders and Elite 4 are called "Pokemon masters." So Ash becoming a master is likely that, him growing up, settling down, and becoming a gym leader, or a member of the elite 4.
I still remember when ash was older than me
It's like you're a real or sometin.
Man me too, I was like half his age when the show started.
Now i'm almost three times his age :/
Hh same
Now I'm more than twice his age
Me too.
After watching the first movie,i was freaking hooked
What if there was a filler episode that focused on the Pokemon Ash has at Oak's lab
I’ve always wanted that episode
That episode was aired right before XY began tho
Yeah, there have been a few.
Porygon z the true pokegod Bulbasaur getting succ by herracross.
The Right Place at the Right Mime
ash losing every pokémon league is the price to pay for immortality
He won Sun and moon
Are you sure
Now that he won, he will probably age in like 2 seconds and then disintegrate into a skeleton.
@@fuehdnsjwisj8097 lol it's not like he'd be 90, you know the lifespan of a human?
Say yeet a small price for salvation
“When’s the last time you saw a character look at their Pokémon and say evolve....EVOLVE”
I miss Paul
Lml exactly 🤣🤣
Taichi? Wait wrong series.
AGUMON SHINKA!!!
There was one episode during Diamond and Pearl (even though it was in a dream) where Dawns' mother (I forget her name) used a Feebas and battle, she then says "Feebas, evolve!"
It then evolves into a Milotic on the spot.
Is quiet funny because many evolve their pokemon as a way to became more stronger as well the pokemon grew up whit the trainer yet the serie take this and just trew the whole evolution to the window only showing it as something flashy to had
What about mega evolution huhh???!
Ash has the potential to win every league without any resistance tbh.
Pikachu, Sceptile, Charizard, Greninja, Krookodile and Infernape/Snorlax.
He can literally sweep the leagues.
The writers just don't want him to do it.
Anyway you made a lot of good points, and I agree with most.
That's the thing. Ash KNOWS he can just use his reserves at any time, but he chooses not to because 1) he likes challenging himself and 2) he wants to win with his new Pokemon. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall during one of the Leagues someone asked why Ash is sticking with his current team and not using his old Pokemon and he said something along the lines of "I want to win HERE with the friends I've made HERE".
You're partially right in saying that the writers don't want him to sweep or win. Obviously he's gotta continue on his journey. I'm sure the writers (and the fans) would LOVE to bring back Charizard or any of his other Pokemon for Pokemon Leagues, but in doing so they diminish a lot of the development of his current team. What would be the point of Ash training up a whole new team for a League but then sweeping the whole thing with Charizard, Snorlax, and Sceptile? It'd be great fan-service but horrible writing. The writers are kinda damned if they do damned if they don't in this situation, because fans would totally love to see Ash bring his old Pokemon back, but in doing so they would write themselves into a corner with his new Pokemon and they wouldn't get their time to truly shine.
I’m sorry but Ash’s Pikachu would not fit on a powerful team. It might be his first Pokémon but it’s also one of his worst. I’m sorry that’s just the way it is.
@@BlazeTheMovieFan Then remove him and put Snorlax. I just put him because he is always there lol.
True the writers could have let him catch Larvitar and evolve it into Tyranitar,
Gible should have Evolved to master Draco Meteor, the writers do not want Ash to have strong pokemon so they are either released or dumped at oaks
@@MattCMG
He could do a mix use 3 of the pokemon he caught in the region and then bring some back up just incase, Ash's Kalos team was strong but it had a majority of flying and Dragon not super balanced
ASH WON THE ALOLA LEAGUE, GUYS. Y'ALL CAN CALM DOWN NOW.
However, that does not make anything I said in either this video or *part* *2* (which you should totally watch if you haven't already) invalid. There's a lot to talk about in regards to that and all this misinformation about the next series, so a part 3 is likely imminent within the next month.
@DEMARI WATKINS I already backpedaled on that in part 2 by stating my real opinion on the matter. I said what I said here under the assumption that "league win = journey ends", which we all know is not how this works. He can still travel after winning, but we'll have to wait and see what the next series has in store.
Sorry I was about to scream at you.
LETS GO but they might be removing him from the anime I really Hope not if it comes at the price of him losing then i would take it cause I love ash :(
Why would I calm down? I wanted him to lose. What a shitty way to win after all this time. With some pity win given by the writers to make up for the fact that he lost at Kalos. Wow. Great job Ash. Why don't you get toilet trained too, while you're at it?
It's too little too late. This video explains why ash's losses make sense in the context of the show. I believe the context and structure of the show are the problem. It needed a complete overhaul and Johto was the saga it should've happened in. If Ash losing Johto made sense based on how the show went then the show needed to change. Him, Misty, Brock...Johto should've been the culmination of Ash's journey and not take decades to get us there with Alola. Ain't nobody got time for 20 years of Pokemon anime just for one league victory.
Why didn’t they just let Ash win the Kalos leauge but than make him lose to Diantha after?
He didn't even have to lose to Diantha. He goes on Vacation in the beginning and chooses to stay to learn more about Pokémon.
Going on vacation after winning a League would make more sense than him just winning a vacation instead.
Fun Fact The writers confirmed that if Ash had mastered his bond with Greninja before his battle with Diantha in xyz he would have won.
LightSlayer Gaming Screw that part, Ash Greninja was about to take out Diantha’s Mega Gardevior with...cut..... the only reason they lost is cause Ash passed out, causing the Bond Phenomenon to end.
@@mezasepkmnTrue but that only happened due to Ash not mastering the Bond Phenomenon before the battle.
@@mezasepkmn but that could mean that alains dragon is stronger than diantha's gardevoir cuz ash had mastered the bond phenomenon in the final league battle so we all know alain isnt stronger than diantha so i think ash would have still lost even if he mastered the bond phenomenon
You forgot the argument of Ash releasing all his best Pokémon. They willingly forget that Ash does this because he recognizes that this makes them happy.
The Pokémon in the anime are established to have their own dreams, desires and preferences. They're living breathing beings. It is the very reason why Ash and Dawn traded Aipom and Buizel in the first place, because they preferred the other trainer's career.
On several occasions, the characters outright ask the Pokémon if they want to stay or leave.
And people hate ash for having a heart
Nah I don't hate ash for that. I hate the writers
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yeah like do they expect him to go " fuck off poipole you're never gonna see your home again i'm gonna use you for personal reasons cause i need to win the league
@@nothingsuspicioushere.6379 Exactly hate the writers,not the character himself
Reads title
Me: because he uses way too much of his plot armor before it REALLY counts.
Yup
More like, the writers change it to reverse plot armor. Also, Ash was good in DP and he didn't have plot armor there.
Yeah, he always wins when it's a fight against some evil organization. But the moment it's for him to reach his goal of being a Pokemon Master...he's a potato.
@@marki3367 DP was when Ash was at the top of his game, where he came up with strategies like having Infernape use Dig and then Flare bltiz
to get rid of Toxic spikes.
This isn’t even what plot armor means
Well I don't think it's that Pikachu isn't so powerful, I think it's cause the writers keep F**KING NERFING HIM
Hypershadic23 yup one day he ties with a Latios and a few episodes later losses to a Snivy
Nico Calcio because pikachu couldn’t use his electric moves
Psychotic Gamer yeah he got nerfed
they have to nerf him because after he starts a new region you dont want to have a op Pokemon defeating everyone what will the challenge be there?
Galacticord Then why can’t his pikachu become op once more to win a league?
I’ll never forgive the writers for breaking my heart after the kalos League...
PreyOnNoobs same here dude. It felt like a backstab and a middle finger to all the loyal fans that’s been waiting after 20 years.
They went out their way just to ruin our dreams
I am still salty
Too true! I was hyped for him to win but noooo Alan’s side story ass had to come in and cheat. I like the character in his self contained story but as soon they showed him beating all the gym leaders with cheaterzard.
Bruh this dude just speed run kalos. Meanwhile ash actually took the time to get those badges, viewers know cuz we had to sit through 80+ eps of shenanigans.
@@GcorpCoPrez exactly. What hurt me the most was how Ash had so much character development with his pokemon and then throw it down the drain. Sun and Moon didnt help the situation at all as I was still bitter so I went out my way to hate on the series as a whole.
ash: aw man i lost the league... Some random person: Yay! I beat the league with only a metapod!
Samurai, is that you?
wat the metapod used harden until it has infinite defense and ash's pokemon used struggle to death?
Another random person: Yay! I just beat the league with one magikarp!
cmon joey beat him
But I think he's still a good trainer! He doesn't care how strong his Pokémon are or if he loses. He respects his Pokémon and treats them like real friends, which is much more important imo.
I mean if Ash is a bad trainer why does he make it so far in leagues? In real life sports being top say 16 means you are incredible you just aren’t the best. Maybe by our standards yes but clearly in the anime he has a much higher rate of success than most other trainers that participate in the league.
And also why do people always bring up the Kalos loss but never Alain’s fucking insane feats, like beating 10 mega evolutions in a row including an Elite 4 member. And that’s not including the legendaries he battles.
HelixMaster12 I honestly think it’s b/c of that 1st season where Ash is honestly incredibly incompetent when it comes battle tactics for most of Kanto and really only gets 3 badges with skill.
Also can anyone really deny that Ashes IQ goes from 165 in each Pokémon league and then drops to 50 at the start of almost every region.
Its pretty funny how ash’s greninja was able to handle multiple legendary but couldn’t take on a mega evolved charizard
Avi-Lad Animations Ummmmm when did this happen? I think you mean the other way around where Alain’s Charizard went toe to toe with Groundon and Kyogre and beat 10 mega evolved Pokémon in a row with the last one being an elite four member
Rippen_Crippen oof i meant mega evolutions my bad
I want to see a spin-off series with an older Bonnie with Dedenne, Zygarde, and Tyrantrum. Just because.
I deadass thought they were gonna let bonnie have the tyrantrum and it wouldve been hilarious, some little girl running around with a giant rock dragon trex and a tiny electric mouse
@@asuspiciousloli3770 I low-key want that to happen so bad though
Xd
@DracoSoull She will become the future champion!
And at some point she somehow meets an older Max with his Gardevoir/Gallade, Sceptile, potentially a Slaking and whatever other Pokemon he may have
For as much as Ash gets mocked for them, his constant league losses are way *more* *realistic* than the fanbase's *expectations* of him scoring wins. Qualifying into a regional league is already very difficult, making a deep run such as Ash consistently does even more so. Actually winning is beyond extraordinary, and even for the winners, there is always someone better in the form of the Elite Four and the Champion.
When Ash's league results are actually brought up by other characters in the series, it's usually to draw attention to how *good* a trainer Ash is. Consistently placing as high as Ash does at national tournaments is exceptional, even if he's not as well known as the winners.
Relatedly, when at the end of the Alola arc Ash actually *wins* the league, does he immediately start screaming, celebrating and making a ruckus? Nope, he stands there in *complete* shock, a completely bewildered look on his face while he processes the fact he actually did it.
In terms of Black and White, I know Pikachu was robbed of his electricity, but he was also depleted of his strength too. Pikachu's ability is static, not lightningrod, so he wasn't immune to Zekrom. He was basically crippled far more severely than even Ash defenders give him credit for.
Zoroarkarceus123 This is an underrated comment
Yep. 100% Truth!!
Finally someone says it
It's like being in an accident and having the left arm paralized. You know there is other damage elsewhere, but that's the most damaged area.
Also, I had a thought.
How OP would Pikachu be if he learned Return? :3
Oh my god, he would be unstoppable XD
Pikachu would be a planet buster
oh. god ......... the chaos
>:3
ButterDust that's the understatement of the century.
The gloves was preventing him from winning since he wasn't wearing gloves
We've discovered his secret lmao
@@MattCMG now I see ash haters an comments
No, his deformed face in Alola was the secret.
@@captainclaw-i5k more like him improving more of a person is a secret as he (or writers) wasn't too much obsessed with 1 pokemon in this series.
@@inamdaryasin pikachu?
I have to disagree with you in the Snivy vs Pikachu bit. While I do agree that Pikachu may have been under powered by Zekrom, you forgot the fact that the anime doesn't forget type advantages and disadvantages. So, regardless of whether Pikachu's Electric Type moves work or not, Pikachu still had access to Quick Attack and Iron Tail, two moves that are more effective than Thunderbolt and Volt Tackle are. The only way around this is if the creators made it clear that Pikachu's physical attacks were weakened, too. But, sorry, dude, I can't really see it as any other way than the writers clearly dropped the ball, because that's not what they did. I don't necessarily blame Ash's skills as a Trainer for that loss, after all he made some good calls, only not getting Pikachu to dodge at the end as an oopsie moment.
On top of that, consider the fact that, unless Sceptile's Leaf Blade actually damaged Latios, Pikachu was the only one to cause damage to Latios. This means that Pikachu had a really had time fighting Latios, because he could still keep going, and also keep in mind this is a guy who swept teams with just his Darkrai. This was the first and only time in the league that he had to bring out Latios. Oh, and remember when Pikachu won against Regice? Did any of his Pokemon face that one before Pikachu? At least the next loss against Electivire made sense. Pikachu really didn't have a good track record with the Electabuzz line.
Look, I get what you're trying to say, but you can't say that people are willfully ignoring facts when you have no proof, just because you noticed something and they didn't. Cause these are things you clearly didn't noticed or chose not to acknowledge.
Not really gonna touch on anything else. I think they could've let Ash face Diantha, or at least beat Alain one time before the league, but everyone's saying that, so you get the point. You seem like a swell dude, but it kind of sounded like you were putting words in people's mouths.
The end of the battle with Snivy, as you point out, was Ash's only real "oopsie". He handled things pretty well for the most part and was caught off guard when Pikachu's electric moves didn't work. He couldn't overcome the initial confusion quick enough (he's a little slow, as we know haha) to react to Leaf Tornado.
I think I responded to someone else's comment regarding Regice, and can't remember what I said, but I did acknowledge it, just not in the video. Legendary Pokemon are weird, because sometimes they are treated as truly legendary/unbeatable (like the creation trio, tao trio, Ho-oh, pretty much any box legendaries) while some of the lesser legendaries (like Regice, Latios, Zeraora, Meltan) are treated as just rare Pokemon instead of legendaries.
The Electabuzz line is a good point, and that kind of inconsistency in Pikachu's power is nothing else but faulty writing. I'll certainly concede to that (the anime was never really the epitome of "good writing" to begin with). Simply put, Pikachu is as powerful as the writers need him to be in a given moment. Sometimes he's taking out Regice, others he's losing to Snivy. I believe the intellectual term is "it be like that sometimes".
@@MattCMG Exactly. I know what you mean. It's not necessarily a "Oh Ash is such a bad Trainer!" moment. Or, at least, it shouldn't be. This didn't showcase Ash as a bad Trainer in the least bit. But what it did do was try to make an excuse for Pikachu to lose to a brand new Snivy, and I'm sorry, but no matter what the excuse, it's hard to swallow that after everything Pikachu's been through, that a young Snivy like that can beat him so easily.
Trip himself has always been a bit of a discount Paul to me. He sort of just shows up, does his shtick, and then disappears. No one ever hears, or cares about him again. They really should've waited a bit to capitalize on the greatness that was Paul as a rival. I mean, Trip didn't bring anything new or interesting to the table. Easily the least of all of Ash's rivals.
But I can see your defense of Ash as a Trainer. Honestly, I think people are too hard on him. I understood why, but I never liked it when Misty did it, and I HATED Iris for it. Ash, if nothing else, cares for his Pokemon and is trying his best to make them the best they can be. I honestly think that not evolving may only be a portion of what is slowing him down from reaching his goal. If you really think about it, he's also helping his Pokemon achieve their dreams, too.
Think about it: Butterfree goes to be with the one it loves, Charizard competed with other Charizards to become the best it can be, even Bulbasaur's and Pikachu's refusal to evolve is in a way a dream: they're trying to prove they can be the best without necessarily evolving. Trying to be the best Pikachu and Bulbasaur there are. I could go on and on, but this really shows the type of Trainer Ash is: he embraces the differences of his Pokemon.
Is he perfect? No. But, frankly, he's not offensive, and he's certainly not a bad Trainer. Not anymore anyway. Honestly, Pikachu's the one that's kind of starting to annoy me, and that's more because the writers are just afraid to give him any sort of character aside from "He likes ketchup and he's cute!" Ash, though? At least he's got some kind of personality. Maybe not as much as he used to, but there's still some in there.
Remember when Pikachu was a wimpy little coward? Yeah. Good times... wonder why no one talks about that anymore?
Anyways, thanks for the response! Honestly didn't expect is so quick.
@@cynda1178
About Pikachu having a character. It's been shown multiple times that Pikachu is a lot like Ash. The both of them having a competitive spirit, both of them are very companionate and go out of their way to help people, and they're both stubborn.
Pikachu from my POV seems to be the more mature and responsible of the two and Pikachu is quick to anger when challenged by someone. Having an inability to back down whenever picked on. The little mouse of course does their best to stay reasonable and calm but they have their limits, especially when its their friends who're targeted. They're also a little shy around those who are affectionate around them and doesn't know how to react most of the time.
Pikachu has also been shown to be a good leader and supporter in varies pokémon shorts and interactions with other pokémon. They're also a great caretaker of young pokémon, best shown with their actions around Misty's Togepi. Just like Ash, Pikachu also have their more "whoops" moments from time to time.
So overall, Pikachu is WAY more than just "cute and loves ketchup."
@@golork3267 That's fair, but notice that the anime doesn't really like to delve into any of Pikachu's flaws. It honestly feels like he doesn't really have any. Sure, Pikachu makes mistakes, but Pikachu seems to be the one who determines what the anime wants the audience to perceive as right or wrong.
On top of that, whenever Pikachu does do something perceived as "wrong" when another Pokemon did it, all the characters have to suddenly change their minds when Pikachu does it, suddenly switching sides.
Example? Piplup was making fun of Mamoswine, and Dawn scolded him for it. Pikachu (albeit trying to hold himself back) does the exact same thing, and suddenly Mamoswine's wrong for being mad.
Now, I get it. In that case, Mamoswine is the bigger Pokemon. Of course Dawn would come to their aid, but you see where I'm getting at? They're afraid of making Pikachu in the wrong. And this has been a thing with the anime from the start, though at least then Pikachu was an adorable little coward with a bit of attitude.
Although that is some character, you can't tell me there's a surplus there, can you? Notice how there only seems to be one flaw with Pikachu's character, and even then, it always seems to be anyone else's fault it occurs but Pikachu's. That's what I'm getting at. Pikachu's character, at the very least, is nothing special. He's just a blank canvas for the audience to paint their perfect Pokemon partner over. Nothing more.
You all make compelling points but this is just my opinion/personality that Pikachu is the best
"I think most likely Ash is going to lose to Hau.." boy that did not age well
Blame his grandfather 😂
I mean... prior to Hala's overruling...
Sogeking well you wrong he won
@@diamanruby9791 Yeah Ash did win, I was just quoting the video excuse the confusion.
Sogeking ohhh OwO
The context is irrelevant to the fact that the tonal inconsistancies and lack of continuity when it comes to Ash's competance as a trainer make the Pokemon Anime unbearable to watch for a lot of people. What use is investing in a character if their arc completely resets with each season?
This is made more aggregious by the fact that despite how certain seasons are meant to be 'soft reboots', in mentions of Ash's origins, the Anime and Ash himself explicitly still say he's from Pallet Town. The show wants to keep the continuity that he's been on all of these adventures throughout every region starting from Pallet Town, and yet continually loses that experience every time he goes to a new region.
Also, your criticism of people who complain about how "A Pokemon's level should be X, why are they losing" kind of misses the point of the complaint. It's not that people want or expect there to be written levels in the Anime for each Pokemon (though that could create an interesting plot element where a Pokemon can be listed as a lower level than the opponent but still come out with the win through being more skilled, ex. Dragon Ball Z), it's the need for consistency.
What the fuck is the use of rules in the show when characters are constantly breaking those rules? Pikachu electrocuting Swellow to give him "Armor", or Hawlucha breaking Trick Room with an X Scissor are things that piss people off because they are not consistent with the logic of the games OR the show. Pokemon's Magic system is fucking meaningless in the Anime.
My guy half of his point is that the pokemon anime's magic system is different than the the game's power system.
The anime's magic system is literally like a shonen series unlike the games were you choose everything your pokemon can become or do becuase to us the pokemon has no personality it's a literal blank slate with no will on its own and usually a set path to follow once they are captured by us.
This changes in the anime were the pokemon are living breathing creatures that are clearly sintiant life. So it become different we see how the moves are set up like for instance trick room is clearly nothing but a box of physic energy so it naturally can be broken like any other box move in shonen either way x-sissor is a bug type move so there is still consistency. Another thing is as Ash's hawlucua has enough raw physical strength to over power a machamp so a pokemon with powerful physical strength could probably break light screen or something similar
On a real note though if what I was trying to say wasn't clear, that if a pokemon has enough attack or special attack power and if there move has a type advantage against another then there is a higher chance that one pokemon will break or overwhelm the other. another thing that may play into this is the actual battle experience (not exp) as often when fighting the more experienced fighter usslay wins or at least makes the fight closer when dealing with a super newbie who is just extremely powerful.(I'm sure you get the point) As the more experienced trainer will know the right calls or moves to deal with a a wider array of situations and the pokemon itself will know when and where to dodge and the places to hit for the most damage.
This isn't a factor in the games however as they do need to keep their simple turn based battle system with only complex part being the stats and maybe type effectiveness.
Thunder armor and ice aqua are one and the same they are moves coted with another move effectively making on a double typed move and the other an electric typed move. Ice aqua jet is easier to explain as it's just a frozen aqua jet we know combination attacks exist so this is easier. thunder armor however is maybe the move swallow was using at the time coted with thunder bolt making it bassicly a volt tackle but that reason is weak tbh.
@Jacob St.Clair my boy are you dumb where is the personality in the games those personality triats are nothing but glorified stat boosters of some kind. You obviously use your own imagination to put in your pokemon. Making them seem real to you which is why I got into the fandom in the first place they are still null voided puppets in the games from our perspective before we get attached that's why nuzlocke runs are so hard to stomach sometimes when watching them.
@Jacob St.Clair also the manga see you have point once these pokemon are caught it seems they want to get stronger by any means necessary while still having a more varied personality closer to the anime interpretation.
Okay you say Gaming limitations I say left out on purpose nintendo definitely has the technology now or maybe next console.
Also for last damn time if it wasn't clear enough the anime and games are separate the anime dosen't take place in the games and vise-vursa so don't why you included that
@Jacob St.Clair that's not even how it works in the games shit I lost when at a type advantage and won when at a type disadvantage
@Jacob St.Clair retards are retards they can't understand the subtle nuisance.
You deserve wayyy more views. I very rarely see people point out the context behind pikachu's loss against snivy in BW, and it's soooo refreshing to see someone with unbiased opinions about each of the other gens without rose-colored goggles towards XY. Don't get me wrong - I really enjoyed XY and Ash's battles in Kalos were some of his best, but there's a lot more to the other seasons and to Ash's character than his performance in BW vs XY. This was a really good watch.
I agree there’s more to ash then battles he’s 10 and looking back on xy I think some things could be handled better still routing for at least a win in Alola
But Pikachu beat Ground types without electric moves before it shouldn't have needed to beat Snivy. Best wishes is shit and that fight was no exception.
Pikachu still should've beat it
He is 🍒 picking so no he doesn't
TheLightTiger I still think that after all that Pikachu has been through, It’s hard to swallow the whole losing to a snivy that has never battled before. Look I’m not ignoring that at the time Pikachu wasn’t at its best. But that battle felt like an equivalent of you’re trying to hurt someone with a nail clipper. The writers were more than capable enough to make Pikachu losing felt less force? Less bs? Like Paul vs Ash first battle had lvl. 100000 Pikachu fought an Eleckid. Pikachu should have had EZ win, but it was a draw. Still, it was a decent fight and also helped showcasing Paul as a strong rival. Not to mention unlike Snivy, Eleckid had some battle experience which is why nobody ever really make fun of it. The battle felt more justified and more satisfied.
Personally I disagree with the whole cake with glass metafor. The way I see it being a fan of ash, which I am, is like being a fan of Goku, you don't watch the character for the end resault, you watch to see how they'll try to improve and there all-round contributes to the series.
Saying that you watch the Pokemon TV series to see ash win a league is like saying you dragon Ball to find out weather or not Goku will be able to defeat the bad guy, everyone who has payed attention to dragon Ball should know by now that no matter what happens even if he loses some battles Goku will win the war, it's not a mystery it's a suspense, it's part of the show, by watching for that you miss the whole point of Goku's character, a friendly if not childish guy who seeks improvement and by virtue of his attitude inspires others to improve.
Like ash, to me it has gotten more obvious as the series went on that Ash's goal to become a Pokemon master....isn't number 1 priority, yeah he wants to get strong but his actions show that he cares much more about experienceing new experiences and writing wrongs, ash is an adventure junkie who really likes helping people. If anything I'd beleave ash at this point is useing his goal of becomeing a Pokemon master as a mean of not growing stagnate, to broaden his horizens so that he may find more adventure and help other people broaden there's.
Being a fan of ash ketchum isn't einstein's definition of insanity, the insanity comes from thoes who look just at the league matches and no more into him, being a fan of ash is finding that adventures spirit, encouraging attitude and desire to keep trying admirable, a Pokemon master is a legand, ash is a hero, legends never die, like a shining statue frozen in time, heroes other the hand always rises like the sun and really Wich is more beautiful, a singal monument or the tales of a hero who effects on the can be seen?
Very fair point and I actually agree with you. I used the cake analogy to explain how people only see Ash as "main character who needs to win" and nothing more and that by believing that they are missing the point of his character and the point of the show.
@@MattCMG it's still good to have a video like this, memes are bad for any community and I'm glad someone was able to make a video to display this misunderstanding to the fanbase.
I apologise for misunderstanding your use of the cake metafor.
But Ash doesn't ever improve, he may within the region, but after the region's done, it's just back to square one. A character like Goku retains all of the things that they learned throughout the previous saga, the enemies just get harder. That's clearly not what's happening with Ash though when a level 100 Pikachu loses to Level 5 Snivy. And yes, levels do exist in the anime.
"But they help me learn that Pidgey evolves to Pidgeotto at level 18. It learns Whirlwind at level 21, Wing Attack at level 31 and that as its level rises it learns various tricks." - _Pokémon Indigo League_ - _The School Of Hard Knocks_ - Joe
I’m a Goku Fanboy
Alright. This will get hate but whatever
The difference is
You know ash will lose the league
And you know Goku will barely win
what I don’t get is why he has to be the BEST trainer to be good. Top 16 trainers in any given region is an INCREDIBLE accomplishment. That’s like being the 16th greatest martial artist in a country. That would make you an absolutely incredible martial artist. Making it to the Pokémon leagues at all is an impressive feat. It’s like making it to the Olympics. Even if you cone dead last in your event, competing in the Olympics still means you’re one of the best on the planet.
People really just have high expectations.
@@kylerichardr.palmes9468 From defeating the Leaque in a game, where there is no other 99+ trainers like you
being a top 16 trainer in a region isnt equal to being top 16th greatest martial artist in a country. it's equal to being top 16th greatest martial artist in, like, Minnesota. There's like 9 other regions in the country, and as the United States is canon in pokemon, we would assume they're in a pokemon equivalence of Japan.
So I've carefully analyzed your defense for Ash and I must say that I agree with a lot of what you said about Ash that was good. I will say that a lot of what you said about the Black and White Ash, I don't agree with. Now, before I start, let me point out that I am a huge BW hater, but even then, I tried as hard as I can to not make my analysis biased against the BW series.
First off, (Pikachu vs Latios) vs (Pikachu vs Snivy)
I can understand where you're coming from with your argument about Pikachu and Latios. The power difference was obvious. Latios easily overpowered Pikachu despite Pikachu winning. As for Pikachu and Snivy, Pikachu being under-powered due to not being able to have access to his signature Electric attacks and Trip being a competent beginner trainer are only valid excuses and nothing more. I say valid because Ash's Pikachu did have a handicap placed against him. Now if we take a look at Ash vs Cress's Gym battle, we can clearly see that there was absolutely NO HANDICAP against Pikachu. It was a fair battle against a water-type Panpour and Pikachu lost miserably. Now there are no excuses that Ash/Pikachu defenders can hide behind. Pikachu lost to a Panpour because the BW writers made Ash and poor Pikachu look like hot piles of GARBAGE!
Now, let's go to the Unova League.
The biggest disappointment of the Unova League that almost every Pokemon fan, both BW haters and non-haters alike, can agree on is the fact that Ash failed in the most humiliating way ever! He lost to a brainless idiot! While I will admit that Ash's Pokemon in Unova were mostly pathetic due to it being under-trained and in rotation, at least Ash, despite being worse than he was when he first started, had enough brains at this point to logically win the battle against idiotic Cameron. It was two idiots pitted against each other and Ash was clearly the "smarter" idiot. Yes I do agree that dumb luck with evolving Riolu was a key factor in Cameron's victory, but that was just another way of how the writers trashed an already shamed Ash. Surely the writers could cut Ash a break but no. They had to humiliate him more by making Ash lose to an opponent who would brainlessly send Pokemon out with obvious disadvantages resulting in predictable KOs in Ash's favor and the fact that he thought full battles were 5 on 5. Even an idiotic Ash should've easily creamed that guy! Therefore, saying that Ash was on a slump during the BW is false because the writers for BW made Ash unbearable to watch most of the time.
If none of this made sense to anyone, at least understand the point of my arguments. The BW series is clearly NOT a slump series! The writers, on purpose or not, trashed Ash and stripped away all of his respect as a trainer that he had gained throughout his travels by making him look more like an idiot than when he first started. I could be completely wrong, but after watching this video, it's clear that you're not a BW hater, but at the same time, you don't seem to like it either. It would be nice if you could one day analyze the BW series in comparison to every other series made to this point. Maybe that would appease all the fans both the BW haters and the non-haters.
I address the Latios thing in part 2, so give that a watch when it comes out. A lot of it has to do with how inconsistent Pikachu 's power is in the series.
As for the Unova League, I somewhat disagree. Just because Cameron was a goofball doesn't mean he wasn't good at battling. Ash has always been a goofball like that too (albeit it to a lesser extent), and hes' made it pretty far in every regional tournament he's been in. Cameron obviously had to have some skill to get to where he is. The dude had a fucking Hydreigon, and that doesn't happen by accident. Nowhere does he demonstrate that he's inept, he's just misinformed on a lot of things.
I'm not saying BW *wasn't* bad (I also address this in part 2), as there were many many episodes that I couldn't stand because of how poorly they were written, but I think people severely overblow Ash's stupidity. He's way dumber than he was before don't get me wrong, but he's not as dumb as the BW haters make him out to be. I bet that if there were a clear transition from DP to BW then people would be slightly more accepting of Ash, but there wasn't, so we gotta deal with what we were given.
That Panpour did have mud sport, which weakens electric attacks, and the anime upped it into a move that broke Pikachu's momentum. Plus, gym leaders are strong and skilled trainers who know how to counter weaknesses.
That said, it was pretty bad writing, since Oshawott, a new and weak battler, overcame a type and experience advantage right after.
I agree, I think Ash's progress as a trainer had been natural, maybe except for being in Unova which I agree can be chalked up as having a "bad season". He's probably one of the more realistic shonen anime characters out there, not needing to win a tournament in order to "save the world" which seems to be a pitfall for many of others. He isn't the best trainer out there, but that's why he's relatable. He just an ordinary Joe, who somehow gets himself into extraordinary situations. He however cares for his Pokemon so much and supports them win or lose. I will agree that the ways he loses these leagues are a bit off, having to introduce new characters with no buildup. That's why Alain was special, because he at least had his own miniseries to see his journey. I see Ash as probably one of the most realistic "sportsmen" in animation and it's like a reality show where the cast doesn't always have a happy ending.
That being said, I disagree that he necessarily have to lose in order for the anime to continue. I'll make a bold prediction -- he'll beat Guzma in the finals and lose to Royal Mask in the exhibition, with maybe Guzma unleashing an Ultra Beast that will have the Ultra Guardians do their final mission (maybe even have Dia return, maybe with Mohn being trapped in the Ultra Ruins with him and all that). As you said, his story arcs don't typically end when he loses in the league. Beating Gary, Paul and losing to Alain were closures, with him losing in the next match being a prequel to the next region. His story has been mostly connected with the Pokemon School and especially Kukui, so it makes so much sense to end his Alola arc by competing against him.
Him facing Royal Mask/Kukui in the exhibition could be a teaser to having a Champions League be possible in the future. Have Royal Mask be like an Elite Four member, with Ash just losing in the first hurdle. Even if he wins the league, him losing the next match immediately after shows a definitive statement that winning just 1 league doesn't make you a Pokemon Master. Also, him winning may be a good reason for the next series, where trainers apparently have sponsors, so what better to sponsor but the first champion of a region? Maybe have Leon be a companion and be Ash's mentor as a more experienced champion. Be "Gloria" be the one trying to get badges this time (or even join Ash in collecting them), kinda have Ash be a mentor like how he did with May. If people feel winning the Alola League is cheap then maybe winning the Galar League may prove he isn't a "one league wonder".
That beings said you could also make him lose after he wins a league. Just because you win one, doesn't mean you'll win the next. Have him lose semifinals in Gen 9 as a shock, having to face the toughest competitor in the draw. Same with Gen 10, maybe have him lose in the final this time. I doubt Ash would care as long as he felt he did his best on them. Then come Gen 11, BAM, have him win the league again and have him face the Elite Four and make him to lose to the Champion. Gen 12 may be the best time to end the anime IMO, and have him finally beat the Champion too. Then have a miniarc after that where Ash does have to do something in order to save the world, something that finally connects him to Ho-Oh, meet his previous companions, and maybe see Arceus or something.
Holy shit, an intelligent comment for once!
In regards to the Alola League, from what we've seen so far its looking like you might be right. Ash might actually win this one, but he won't be the champion because he'll lose to the Masked Royale.
I agree that there's ways for him to win leagues and still continue traveling, but in terms of the actual narrative of the show, they can't have him win one league then lose horribly the next. He has to get consistently better (which is why him doing worse in the Unova League pissed so many people off) in order for the story and his whole arc to make sense. If he were to win, say, the Galar League and face off against the elite 4, then he'd have to lose to them at some point, which is why I'm predicting that from the Alola League onwards, there's gonna continue to be some kind of twist for the Pokemon Leagues that will prevent Ash from becoming the champion, while still allowing him to win leagues.
Yeah i dont Think im gonna Read the comment anyways...
This would make sense. Where do you go after X & Y with 2nd place? Win it, but lose to the Royal Mask, meaning he isn't really a win yet he is.
The Galar anime will be all about Gyms and Leagues, so it makes sense for him to win this one, to be ready for then Galar comes. Maybe Alola sponsors him with their new League or something. And who knows what's up with Leon, maybe he cheated or something.
for a kid who does stupid unorthodox shit and sometimes he somehow makes it work like it was a natural thing, it is kinda underwhelming to see that he is just an average trainer.
@@CDodger24 Not at all. Everyone is average and you become the best by progressing your life, as opposed to some others giving you a life, which is the worst.
Who’s here after the episode today?
Far too many people saying the same damn thing lmao
@@MattCMG where can I watch the episode?
@@miss_thing1737 Just google "Pokemon sun and moon episode 139" and you'll find a few links or just go to kissanime (since they have everything)
@@MattCMG Thank you
Technically me, but this has been in my watch later for weeks and I don't watch Pokemon
Hold on, why doesn’t the Battle Frontier count? I would say that beating the Battle Frontier means more than winning the Pokémon league since the Battle Frontier is meant to be much harder than the Pokémon league. I always want to mention how Ash managed to beat Brandon, but Paul couldn’t defeat a single one of his Pokémon lmao. But regardless this was an amazing video. Thanks for finally shining some light on Ash
I didn't count the Battle Frontier because its not a Pokemon League, but that's not to say Ash didn't have his moments. If anything, his battles with most, if not all of the Frontier Brains are indicative of Ash's creative and resourceful battle style.
Well, yes, but is Paul really an amazing trainer? The anime convinces the viewers that he is, but in reality that is not true
@@razan8487 Of course Paul is an amazing trainer. His battle with Brandon was a mental battle that he lost. He's a great trainer.
I've seen the major debunks.
I may have gone too far in a few places, and not far enough in others.
Part 2 coming soon...
There is a theory that ash’s pickachu’s level resets EVERYTIME in a new region, thats because (they think) that if pickachu gets hit by a eleictric move when it absorbs it, it resets to level 5, and snivy is grass type (resists elecritc) and pickachu’s best move: as you said: were unable, but thats all just a theory
(Maybe you could put that in part 2)
MattCMG you a real one dude ✊🏿👍👌🤘✌ major respect it's finally nice to see a video that actually talks about in defense of a certain character because we need to really think about it real life or fiction everyone has their flaws some have flaws more than others but still y'all should see the naruto & one piece fans that be hatin on certain characters for real lol
I like it but I do feel like there is a gap where battle experience means something in the world of pokemon as a bridge for levels in the game.
It is well known a pokemon straight out of an egg cannot battle due to a weak body which implies the growth of ones body.
This is further shown in a number of episodes throughout the series with some pokemon being bigger or just having particularly high 'stats'.
In all of the travels that ash has had he has always kept pikachu who should be his most experienced and grown pokemon. I do not think that pikachu should be an unstoppable juggernaut but it seems clear to me that he should be much stronger than what is shown.
Lots of people nitpick pokemon and then blow up problems to be far too big.
I like to think I am not alone in the thoughts that even if pikachu isn't some max level crazy beast, that he should at least be the example of a truly exceptional pikachu.
Even early on it is noted that ash's pikachu is stronger than the normal so think of it as natural max special attack ivs or in other words strong genetics.
If you take both of these together than you paint a picture of a pikachu that should be much stronger but not to the point of winning everything and you know that ash as a trainer wouldn't rely on pikachu in that way unless he had no choice because he wants to be a pokemon master and thus needs to train his other pokemon when he gets the chance.
Personally I feel they could buff pikachu a fair bit and still keep pokemon as a decent show because of the character that ash has.
It would be so satisfying to see ash use pikachu as a kind of way to show what can happen when you really work at training a pokemon from the ground up.
MattCMG I agree with you
An important point not made: Pokémon are CREATURES in da anime. Snivy was a very weird and unknown creature to Ash and Pikachu, who used a move against them dat they never saw before, while Pikachu was severely underpowered.
The Alola league is definitely an interesting topic. Alola is not a battle focused region. Most people don't have more than a single pokemon or two, with the only person to have a full team is Lusamine. And with it being an open invite, only 151 people joined. A lot of people have complained about this, but I don't feel like it's a problem. It makes sense when you look at Alola as a whole for it to have to be open invite in order to gain attention for the league. It's definitely the league I want Ash to win in, but at the same time, I'm ok and expecting that he won't. I don't know.
MattCMG: you can't point to a pokemon and tell it to evolve.
Ursula: hold my bear
yeah people always make fun of ash being 10 but we never hear people make jokes about Stewie and Maggie Simpson still being a baby after 30+ Years
I sure have. It's just that both shows are comedies and people are known for being so. People aren't so much worried about the age of characters as they are with how good or bad each show has gotten throughout the years.
At least in the Simpsons, you get to see the kids older in an episode or 2.
Ash didn't win any leagues, except for the ones that he did, but they don't count
That's legit how people how trash him think xD!
You mean the Orange league. It's the only one he won. Because he battled just one guy.
He won like 10 years ago. Before the writers started to do anything so Ash loses
Just because Ash hasn't won a league yet doesn't make him a bad trainer. Coming in the top 16 in Kanto was quite an achievement for his first try. I think this is another point where people correlate with the games too much. Not everybody is going to win a league. That's just the truth. Think of it like the Olympics. There are plenty of athletes competing who don't win a gold medal throughout their whole career. Does that make them a bad athlete? Of course not. Just participating is absolute proof of their abilities. I believe the same can be said for Pokemon. Not every trainer will reach the Pokemon league in a world like the Pokemon anime and to get to the Pokemon league shows that Ash is one of the best.
As for the levels, I agree that they just don't exist in the anime. Yes it was mentioned in an early episode but lots of other things have been seen and mentioned in early episodes which have never been mentioned since. Take real world animals for example. They were referenced in some early episodes but have never been mentioned since. Or Ash using thunderbolt on a Rhydon's horn. The continuity of the anime series is a mess especially when it come to the Indigo League series.
Orange league cough cough
@@nerdneckyboif8685 What do you mean?
phoenixfireblazer no it makes him a really bad trainer he has had 20 years of training he is garbage and is a garbage character in general
Gonna do the same thing I'm doing to all the other comments about this topic:
The pokemon league almost certainly has a way to regulate and change a pokemon's level, and it would make perfect sense for Ash to set pikachu back down to level 5 for every new region, to be on the right power level for it and get better as a trainer, not necessarily have the pokemon be so good in comparison that he never gets any better.
Also, for the levels thing, there have been things that were retconned, like those real-world animals. Those were officially retconned, we've never heard about the levels since, so while the levels might be gone, they very likely aren't because they haven't been officially retconned.
Just let Ash win, and maybe introduce a new protagonist, heck give us some backstory about Professor Oak @-@
Rotom: “Golisapod is a water type, so electric type is super effective!”
Ash: *Uses Iron Tail and Quick Attack the whole battle*
... watch the show again, and come back with that comment.
Yeah and using them right off the bat guess what? The trainer will tell him to ever dodge, or block which is what he did. This isn't like the games where you can spam a certain move and no negative will happen.
Guzma knows that too, which is why Golisopod is well equipped to handle Electric type moves, as seen in both of their battles. Hell, Golisopod blocked a freaking Gigavolt Havoc with little damage, and Ash had to get it to a point where it couldn't block Pikachu's Electric attacks to land a super-effective hit. Although, in their first battle Ash didn't know all that, so I do agree he should've at least started out with Thunderbolt...
@Chaos of madness If the atack does not hit, no matter the damage I won't win. Prioritizing actual contact and strategy is way better than effective types.
@@mistresskixen6142 Shhh... Don't tell them about the fact your moves have to actually hit and do damage before you can think about how much.
Why does Ash always lose?
*Laughs in bringing two Ubers to a league.*
Christian Cinnabars He won the orange league and the battle frontier
And reasons like this is why I like Yu-Gi-Oh better as an anime. At least when the characters lose, it feels more meaningful; not just a staple. (Hell, first time Jaden loses it causes him to snag a Neo Spacian deck!)
EDIT: Ok, so I'll be honest; I am fully aware he won Alola. It's just a little weird when they take so many locales and fights from the games and he wasn't able to win the important ones until Alola. (In other words, why wasn't he able to win then...... but could beat the Battle Frontier which normally is supposed to be HARDER than the gym leaders?)
Too bad there was never a Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh crossover.
Also in ygo you can pull stuff from the place where sun doesn't shine and it still feels valid if a scene is added were character goes through their deck & since you can change deck composition all the time, there's a bit more freedom for a card with super situational effect that will only work in this very detailed situation that has extremely low chance of happening (eg onix & sprinkles vs Yugi getting all pieces of Exodia)
And the losses have so much more impact! Ok in YGO stakes are way more ridiculous but let's ignore that in favor of having characters that are capable of aging :P
Finally. Someone else who remembered Pikachu was underpowered when against the Snivy.
it lost its electricity, still had other moves to use, and was overpowered by a new Snivy. Pikachu had no reason losing.
@@QBFOJustin Especially since Quick Attack can be used DEFENSIVELY!
Google Working all of him was nerfed not just electric moves. even quick attack was nerfed
@@swordboyssjiallwayswin582 youre basing that on nothing. That was never stated. They specifically said his electric moves were gone. Nothing else.
@@QBFOJustin bruh u idiot, you should look at pikachu, he was breathing heavily while fighting. He was clearly tired out. And keep in mind. Leaf tornado is a move ash has NEVER seen before. He didnt know how to counter it.
18:30 A different trainer, that's what.
Ash wins, his story arc is over, we can finally get a new protagonist. Ash can still be around, but as this experienced mentor kind of character rather than the dumb loser who loses all the time.
At the end of the next trainers arc, they could have them attempt at beating Ash as the league champion because he made a promise to him that he wouldn't lose to another person until he arrives, etc, etc. Then when he arrives, Ash is still champion as he promised and then they duke it out.
I think Ash should win a league and move on to the next. I mean Gold beat the Johto league and went straight to Kanto afterwards so why not do the same for Ash?
The other day, I read a comment on an article calling Sinnoh a low point of the anime while talking about Infernape.
*exhales* BOI
What? But Sinnoh was pretty decent. That article clearly never saw Unova XP
yeah I know. Crazy right?
Ash's Infernape is the reason Infernape is my favorite Pokemon.
"... they won't end it this early." ... it. Has been. Twenty _Four _*_years._* Nothing they could do now, period, could be considered 'early'.
3:46 Sabrina's abra, during the battle she told it to evolve
She didn't tell it to evolve. It chose to on its own.
@@florenceb1031 she did tho
@@Cheesetendo I just rewatched that scene. She say anything to Abra before it evolved. Any influence she had on Abra's evolution would be through her psychic powers, which most trainers don't have. That would invalidate her as an example of what the average trainer can do.
@@florenceb1031 nahhh that don't matter he said when did you see a trainer do it and she did it. We ain't talking about average or not
@@terryhines2847 Seeing as the video was referring to trainers just ordering their Pokemon to evolving and Sabrina didn't issue any verbal orders to her Abra, it would only count if Sabrina was using telepathy to give Abra the order without the audience hearing it. Any other usage of Sabrina's psychic powers to get her Abra to evolve wouldn't count as order, which was what was being referred to by the question. While that might be used as evidence that a trainer could force their Pokemon to evolve if they had psychic powers, this video is about defending Ash; so they aren't really relevant and should only be brought up if you want to nitpick.
Also on the topic of ordering a Pokemon to evolve, Pokemon are under no obligation to obey anything their trainer says, including evolving. Ash's Charizard is infamous for being disobedient and Misty's Psyduck and Jesse's Wobbuffet both ignore their trainers' repeatedly expressed desire for them to remain in their Poke Balls unless specifically called for. As such, even if Sabrina did (telepathically) order her Abra to evolve, her desire for it to evolve would be one out of several factors that would go into Abra deciding whether or not it evolved and only did so because it wanted to, which was the point that he was trying to make. Even if you still insist that Sabrina did telepathically order her Abra to evolve and that it does count as a trainer ordering her Pokemon to evolve and the Pokemon then evolving still counts as answering the question, even though it was Abra's decision that mattered and not Sabrina's order, it would still be nitpicking, given the context of the question.
You are entirely free to nitpick if you want to. It just wouldn't do much to sway people against the argument as a whole.
Despite what happened in the anime, this video is still very relevant IMO. Especially, the part after you said "I don't him to." Now that Ash did win the Alola League, whether ANYONE likes it or not, the Pokemon Anime will never be the same as ever. I think Ash's Alola victory was the writer's commitment for the next Gen 8 anime(which I think will feature Ash as the protagonist). Your prediction of Alola League was based on past instances and it will be logical if that was the case if they were to continue with Sun and Moon Style or go back to the Old Style. Ash winning here is DEFINITELY effect the direction of the next Pokemon anime.
Although I have to say, as someone who was genuinely suspicious of the SM anime but coming to like it, I'm very sad that after Pokemon Sun and Moon ends, it will be marked as the sandbag for everyone to go back to backlash at. With Ash's Victory, the attention to the Pokemon Anime has rises to heights never seen before. Almost ALL of the people are ones who came ONLY for League, being exposed to the SM Style for first time. League deviated from the norm most likely to fit the atmosphere of the SM Anime, being the first thing the world is exposed to, it's just as bad or even worst than the first Sun and Moon PV reveal 3 years ago. Everyone(including SM viewers and me) will move on to Galar and to never came back to SM(I probably will), despite for being the ONLY series to break the conventional repetitive nature of the decade long series(NOT talking about the League here), presented something ONLY SM have shown to do.
Your so underrated, Jesus you covered everything about this, the points u made are amazing
The way i always looked at ash losing, is the same way I view team rocket, good life lessons, for people of all ages. It teaches if you lose, keep trying and enjoy the journey. The best lesson I learned, and am still learning from the pokemon series🙂
I don't get that hate about Ash. He's not one of my favourite characters, BUT I appreciate that he cares so much for his Pokémon. He doesn't really care to win every single battle or how strong his Pokémon are, he just wants to friends with them and respects them! And I think that's WAY better than a trainer who catches all Pokémon, but keeps them at a PC, only cares for their stats and if they're not good enough he abandons them.
>Ash had two birthdays in the anime.
>Ash is 12.
I agree with some of your points but I just can’t go on to see ash lose for 20 more years worth of episodes I’m not that old but I’ve watched a lot of the episodes and I feel other fans pain its so tiring and I’ve only been watching the anime for 9 years and I’m really tied of it but other people having to deal with it for 20 years
I mean..
I would've believed the age 13 in XY because Ash seemed more mature but then came Sun/Moon....
Koda Hey man look, I understand how you currently feel about the sun and moon anime right now, but trust me after giving it a chance it’s actually a lot better than expected. I found myself actually coming to like the sun and moon anime, once I stopped comparing it to XY/XYZ. I found a comment that was posted on another that pretty much summed up my exact feelings for the anime. Here it is:
“SM never seems to stop surprising us with what they have in store for us. If you told me 3 years ago that we’d see Ash with a legendary and mythical Pokémon, two pokegirls using mythical Pokémon, a character dealing with the loss of her mother, three episodes focusing on death, Ash having a father figure, a wedding, a character dealing with ptsd and Ash and friends capturing aliens I wouldn’t believe you, but here we are. SM have proved the the Pokémon anime can tackle some heavy topics in a respectful and meaningful way. SM have proved a slice of life like anime can work for Pokémon.”
I’m not trying to get you change you’re mind, but to at least give it a chance
I’m not saying that you’re wrong about Pikachu becoming underpowered, but I still don’t see why Pikachu should have lost that battle against Snivy explicitly, and Pikachu actually did defeat Brandon’s Regice without either being weakened, unlike with Latios, so I still call bullcrap on that one battle. I don’t mind the leagues, though.
Okay, Brandon's Regice is a fair point I'll give you that. I suppose it makes sense that Pikachu's super-effective Iron Tail would take out Regice relatively easily while resisted Thunderbolts on Latios wouldn't do much.
Gonna do the same thing I'm doing to all the other comments about this topic:
The pokemon league almost certainly has a way to regulate and change a pokemon's level, and it would make perfect sense for Ash to set pikachu back down to level 5 for every new region, to be on the right power level for it and get better as a trainer, not necessarily have the pokemon be so good in comparison that he never gets any better.
Ash will not end up with Serena
They kissed at the end and she was never mentioned again
I'm sad about it because I loved her character
And nothing of value was lost.
And I'm glad about that and hope she never appears again
Sexist
@@kofoashogbon639 I am not sexist I respect girls more than alot of people in this world I just don't think we will ever see her again
@@ozoneluxray895 I think she will come back, maybe that's my theory
36 seconds in, 1st video I have seen in my feed, and insta like and sub! Oh... I LOVE YOUR TAKE ON ASH AND THESE NON IRL ISSUES... PLEASE NEVER CHANGE OR I WILL CRY LIKE DUPLICA'S MINI ONYX data blocking fennel and her dream radar system and calling rotomdex a sideshow lol
as long as ash does his best it doesn't bother me
in stadiums filled with 100+ trainers his placements are highly impressive
i doubt any or us would get that far
preach
Yeah, most of the leagues are 128 trainer sets, that's huge and coming in top 16 is amazing for him. He's a good trainer, he's just got plot poison. And I mean, it totally makes sense that if a trainer is staying in a region for multiple years getting better with their pokemon, they'd be on the power level of the usual trainers that beat Ash. Tobias? Totally makes sense that he'd have really powerful pokemon if he's been around a while.
I see your point, but in my opinion, ash still is a worse than average trainer. Also the explanation of ash's pikachu is true but it doesn't make ash any better. If he was a good trainer, his teams, skill, movesets and everything else would be on a much higher level. Also please, yes the ash hater know that pikachu lost to snivy because it wasn't at it's full power, but it still should have won. I am not saying that the quick attack should have OHKOed the thing, yes they could make the battle look intense, but it still doesn't make any sense
It was like watching an athlete who's been training for years and who has competed and beaten professionals lose to someone who literally just bought a pair of cleets the other day and started training . Besides only pikachu's electric type moves were handicapped. His other moves were working fine. So ash defenders should stop trying to make it look like zekrom stole all of pikachu's power or something
If Ash is worse than the average trainer, then that would mean all the trainers he defeated along with the gym leaders can only be called, trash. Moroever, a pokemon just doesn't learn a move by leveling up in the anime. The pokemon needs to learn or accidentaly do something that will result in the pokemon learning it. It is like you're saying, an athlete who became a runner up in an international tournament is worse than an average athlete.
Though I agree with the notion that Pikachu losing to Snivy is quite ludicrous. That was some shitty writing.
@@marki3367 Not saying ash is a bad trainer I'm simply pointing out the shit writing that went into the black and white series as a whole. Ash is as good as the writers make him. So if he's shit so are the writers.
Gonna do the same thing I'm doing to all the other comments about this topic:
The pokemon league almost certainly has a way to regulate and change a pokemon's level, and it would make perfect sense for Ash to set pikachu back down to level 5 for every new region, to be on the right power level for it and get better as a trainer, not necessarily have the pokemon be so good in comparison that he never gets any better.
@@nothingsuspicioushere.6379 Yup. That's how it is. Actually, BW is the stain of the pokemon anime. It should have gone from Sinnoh to Kalos. That would have been a more natural flow. If you watch S1 to Sinnoh, Ash's character is actually consistent. It was BW that ruined this consistency. People who say that Ash is the worst trainer make me laugh. They clearly haven't watch the show at all. And if they did, they only watched S1 or BW.
It makes perfect sense that ash won in Alola, the games were HEAVILY based on loving your Pokémon with Poké refresh and pelago and the z-moves lore. Say what you want about Ash but you can’t say he doesn’t looove his Pokémon dude won’t even put them in a ball if he doesn’t want to
ash is forever ten because he saw ho-oh on his first day ho-oh basically grants wishes. ashes wish would be to forever be on a pokemon journey, so ho-oh made it so that he never ages.
Ash’s Gligar wanted to evolve right away but remember at first ash said no 😂
That's cuz Ash wanted Gligar to overcome its fear of heights before evolving.
@Gracie Gonzales yeah I know that but my point was that in his video he was saying Ash never forces a Pokémon to evolve and if they wanted to he’d let them but I brought it up
A gliscor that's afraid of heights. Hmmm... Ash was right on this one.
the pokemon anime will never end its like power rangers it's a never ending story and its always been that way and always will be that way I hope
Pokémon is an anime about how chasing your dreams will lead to failure.
He will never be a Pokémon Master sadly.
This is not some kind of grand revelation. It is a problem that has existed for a while. It's been repeatedly said in the past how much the status quo damages the quality and reputation of the anime. And it came full circle with the loss in the Kalos League.
I really want to see the Pokemon anime go with a DIFFERENT PROTAGONIST with their On-going anime series. NO retellings, but an actual NEW PROTAGONIST in the series and NOT ASH.
I really don't want a new protagonist, because Ash has been the best imo and then using some new guy out of the open seems abit cheap to me
Tbh making a new protagonist is gonna fuck everything up hard time
Jacob St.Clair
Did you just call the manga shitty?
Also why so toxic? Dude just said his opinion, not like the Pokemon Company is watching this video and looking at the comments.
Guess you got your wish.
wow this 2 parted video was amazing to watch, and YES FINALLY someone who agrees Ash losing the league is for the best. I think Ash winning the Alola league was a mistake because he wasn't nearly as strong as in Kalos, he didn't have a 6th Pokemon, and the finals was 3 on 3. Hopefully he loses to the Masked Royal, can't wait for part 3 :)
I stopped watching pokémon after 4th grade lol the games only thing keeping me in.
However yes I low key watched a few videos like this one to at least stay updated.
And yes I completely agree with most of your points especially the end : I feel like unless they are ready to update the Pokémon demographic in the anime and explore other themes (le : after his win he goes on his own journey find out what’s out there, he feels lonely, à réflexion on Pokémon ‘slavery’, his own strength is causing pain on him .... )those will be very interesting but to go into it you have to completely rethink and slightly deconstruct the Pokémon anime.
Spoilers alert : they will never. After almost 20 year they have no reason to, it’s their cash cow they wouldn’t change it if their life depended on it.
I give them an other 5 to 10 years because the major fans seem to be the people who grew up with it + a refresh oc young kids every new edition BUT the old is growing up way past interest in this franchise and I don’t see the new gen carrying it for an other 20 years just my opinion I can be wrong
Now that's I've been wanting in the Pokemon Anime since the XY Series; a generation where Ash actually develops as a character through personality growth and/or views on life.
@@vistea1 Aren't they doing that with Sun and Moon?
Ash could have easily win and the anime could win for example if he won in Kalos pokemon could have had him marry Serena and have his son go on
Or just do the jojo root and get a new one
Im just waiting for someone to use Metronome-Z in the anime
Why.
Mainly just wanting to see the characters reactions
i wonder how many people in the anime just show up to gym battles with 6 togepi that all know metronome and just RNG their way to the league
Huh what that
Thank you so much! Everyone always forgets how Pikachu was weakened when he lost to Trip and it drives me crazy.
Edit: Also I'm pretty sure that line at the start of back and white is the reason that meme exists to begin with and if it never existed no one would care.
He win 4 badges legitimately in kanto, against misty, surge, koga and blain,
In johto he actually seems improved as a trainer, in hoenn he was more strategic and become mentor to may, hoenn is the only league where he won 6vs6 twice.
I fully agree with you on kalos but I think you should make video on Alola league
James with the royal boot on Magikarp xD
People who claim Ash is a bad trainer haven't watched the anime.
They only look at ash's cons, completely ignoring his pros (sinnoh is the perfect example of this, showing off how smart and resourceful he is while overcoming the odds)
Yeah Ash has surprised me with how witty he can be such as when he improvized that spin in d/p but don't act like he's good. He's the type to send a charmandrr against a Gyradose. Kid makes some of the dumbest decisions.
Yeah then you watch the anime and realize that he is worse than you expected.
Yeah Ash has done some pretty awesome stuff.
I only cared for his Kalos version. He did get strong at that point.
Because the writers need to recycle the "underdog" tropes and him winning the league go against the grain
MattCmg: They will never replace Ash!
Pokemon Horizons: *Am I a joke to you?*
I care about Ash and can’t help but feel a little sad at the thought of him being so optimistic and hopeful, yet unaware that he’ll never actually be allowed to reach his goal because the series writers think the show can’t go on without him being an eternal child.
It would be awesome to see Ash grown up and having achieved his dream. He could be something like All Might to the pokémon universe-the very best like no one else, well known, able to help others with his power, and influencing younger trainers.
I’d be happy if they so much as made an episode or something that takes place in the future, and then they could just continue on with the normal series.
Why does ash always lose?
Me: f*cking plot.
If ash wins a league
The whole universe will be erased THIS TIME AT 100%
WITHOUT EXCEPTIONS
So the universe will be erased now?
I am guessing why those two ultra beasts showed up when they did. The time space continuation was broken when he won.
As someone who loves the show and Ash, the snivy battle was just poorly written right down to wasting the aperance of a legendary just to give Ash a reason to lose to Trip. I hated how Pikachu was treated at the start of Black and White. He’s had much better treatments since then though.
Unova was to be a soft reset and they rushed it.
4:50 this feels like more of a video exposing pokemons blunt and bad writing, over actually defending ash not being a bad trainer
that was the point -_-
I like it. Those who look purely at his win/loss count ignore a huge part of what makes someone "Good". His determination, resilience, ability to (eventually) learn and adapt and the trust his Pokemon have in him are equally important.
Also, he happens to compete in the elite competition of each region. It's like, sure the Redskins lose a lot, but they're still a freakin' NFL team.
Another thing is his Kalos team had powerful mons but like three flying types and two dragons
I really like Ash, to me if he was ever replaced I would probably stop watching the anime entirely.
Yea but i just really dont like BW and SM ash. All the others ones are fine
That’s fair
THANK YOU for Giving a Good Explanation to the Pikachu and Snivy Battle, I was really Sick of That Level 5 Snivy Crap, If That Snivy really is just Level 5, then It wouldn't Know Leaf Tornado
I feel like your explanation with ash losing unova league because he had too many pokemon was bit of a reach.
Julian Harris Actually, that seems about right. To me at least lmao
I think it plays a part. It doesn’t justify the loss entirely, but it is one reason.
Plus, people can get unlucky at the worst times. Riolu evolving into Lucario was such an example. Evolution has turned battles around for Ash, so why wouldn’t it work for others?
Also, right when the Unova League was starting, Cameron arrived late for registration. However, the Nurse Joy decided to register him anyway after Cameron begged her to let him join. *That* part bothered me. If Nurse Joy didn’t cave in, Ash wouldn’t have lost to Cameron. Though I’m not sure if Ash begged on Cameron’s behalf...
Still, had that happened, Ash could’ve at least fought Virgil (the Eevee trainer). Even if Ash lost, the loss would’ve been against someone strong and competent.
Even when Ash's Monferno evolved during one of hid battles with Paul Infernape was still injured and despite its power boost from Blaze and the new power it got it still lost.
Can't wait to see Ash and Pikachu loose to next gen's base bug pokemon next season in the first episode.
Boy, that one didn't age well...
''He became the very best, like no one ever was. So many years, so many quests. The lessons we were taught. All the places aroudn the world, the lows and the highs. A generation that won't forget, the power that's inside'' 😭
I think Ash will win the Alola league but lose to the Masked Royal
BULL S**T you did a great job of convincing me that levels ecsist
Arceus forbid the anime writers one day realize they can let Ash win an Elite Four Championship (or something equivalent in a region), but STILL be able to continue his journey...
is Arceus the god of Pokemon or what...
He actually cannot. If he's the champion of the region he always has to be available for challengers. You don't see Cynthia going around challenging gyms. That's why he refused to become a Frontier Brain.
Why does ash lose:
A, he picks bad moves
B, he picks bad Pokémon
C, the writes need him to lose so they can continue the anime
D, he is actually a hoi4 player
He doesnt have to lose to continue, he could win but still go to the next league anyway. Otherwise i agree with you
C for sure
@@m1cra848 the problem is ashhas to be part of the elite four have you played a certain rom hack where you refuse champion and somebody else takes it because you dont want the duty of champion the stress of defending your spot the writers think that if ash is gone to beat another league and that took him a long long time then somebodystronger than ash is gonna retake the spot and the the league that ash somehow beat will be taken over because he kept losing to the trainer that retook his spot thats the problem of going to other leagues somebody stronger takes the old league and the league you beat will be taken over by a stronger guy so lose lose waste of time
But I think he's still a good trainer! He doesn't care how strong his Pokémon are or if he loses. He respects his Pokémon and treats them like real friends, which is much more important imo.
C
The anime can continue even if ash wins.
He could win some leagues and lose some others, to keep the viewer guessing and engaged.
The one thing i take away from this whole thing is that there is a lot of hypocrisy on the part of the director of the Pokemon anime. They have stated in the past that if Ash was to win any of the leagues he would no longer be an interesting character and his story would be finished. However this statement is severely flawed when you consider that even if Ash did win he would still need to take on the Elite 4 and the Champion. When Dragon Ball transitioned to Z no one was expecting the revelation of Goku to be part of an ancient warrior race to be part of the same continuity as the previous series, but yet Akira Toryiama allowed Goku's story to evolve while letting the status quo stay intact. Dragon Ball is or if not just as big of a franchise as Pokemon is when it comes to the anime, so i fail to see this statement of Ash being less interesting holds up when Dragon Ball manages to do the same thing but keep us invested in Goku as a character. Not to mention like you said the anime has gone on to mention that winning a league doesn't automatically make him a Pokemon Master and the titles of Pokemon Master and Champion are completely different from each other.
@@e1iteyoshi998
He won orange league and kept going, too.
@@OmegaChase1002 Yeah but it's been established the Orange League isn't official so it doesn't count.
@@e1iteyoshi998 it counts cuz its still a league
im back here again after he won.
i still count orange league.
but ya know? i've been thinking.
ash actually had it a lot harder than the game protagonists.
If you think back, Ash had to deal with obstacles and interruptions that the game protagonists never had to deal with, which hindered his training.
Charizard not listening even after Ash had the Earth Badge, Team Rocket never going away and always interrupting his battles, he never got the broken EXP Share that made the gen 6 and 7 games so brain-dead easy, having to always stop to help the character-of-the-day with some side-quest, stuff like that.
He spent so much time making OTHER characters dreams come true, he never got to pursuit his own.
So it's nice to see him finally be thrown a bone. Ash Ketchum played Pokémon on Expert Mode, and came out on top.
When ash WAS older than me I admired him..... but now I am older so he seems puny to me
"Just watch your children's show and shut up" lol
Ignoring criticism at its finest.
Ok
Ya even tho kid shows actually switch up characters and make their characters actually grow up and make them the best players or whatever at the end.
Reason I don't want ash to win is because I don't want Pokémon to end. Simple af
Wouldn’t have to, they could do something like Naruto and Boruto did
If he won, they could do something awesome like the tournament of champions that was in Black 2/white 2
@tzz1 21 not always
Actually, winning the Pokemon league in the anime is like winning a real-life tournament. It's not like you will automatically become a world champion, and it is also the case with how Pokemon league works in the anime. You need to battle the champion first and then if you win, you will finally be considered a champion. If you win the Pokemon league, you're just a winner, and you get a throphy and other rewards in the anime, as simple as that.
Edit: Okay, I know Ash won the Alola league and all, and he automatically becomes Alola's first ever Pokemon Champion, and that leads to another point I wanna say here: You can also choose if you want to continue your journey instead of sticking with your job as a Pokemon Champion, just like how Ash chose to continue his journey after winning the Orange Island league and the Battle Frontier.
Thank you! That is what I’ve been saying for a long time.
3:46
"Malice in Wonderland" (dawn's mom literally told her feebas to evolve and it evolved, though that was a dream, so eh)
11:38
krookodile was before the league, what are you talking about?
Dreams don't count because its not reality.
You are correct Krokorok was before the League. I think I thought it was after because of the way the twitch marathon aired (which was more or less how I rewatched BW).
''Even team rocket could join!''
*James beats Jessie in the league
I GUESS SO HUH
matt: ``its a cartoon who cares?``
proceeds to make a 20min video about it
Tbh, i think the final battle against Allain was the best fight in Pokemon. Yeah he lost but you cant tell me you didnt enjoyed the battle.
Even though Brock and Misty said Ash got their badges out of pity, Misty traveled with Ash for 2 regions and Brock traveled with Ash for 4 regions soooooooo...........
What does that have to do with anything?
Misty and Brock were joking with him. Misty waan't the gym leader. Her sisters were. Brock gave his when Ash refused to finish Onix. In the beghining they were making fun of eachother. Ash was savage multiple times. They also laughed that he didn't have Pokes he captured and most followed him, when his team had Butterfree and Pidgeotto. Selective memory for jokes.
I'm speaking as someone who before this week only saw Pokemon as a kid and then once marathoned every episode up to the point were Ash gave the GS ball to someone (I forgot who since it was half a decade ago) & then stuck to playing games: In 1st gen, Ash was under a mile thick plot armor + the writers still didn't know what to do with levels (the pokemon school episode comes to mind where one kid was citing at what levels pidgey line evolves) and some of the more memorable moments from back then were the ''pity badges'' sine more people will remember Ash using sprinkles with Brock or saving Erica's gym from fire than if he battled them using type advantages.
That said, in anime Ash's strength is thinking outside the box, something you can't do in the games (seriously baby me was so confused when playing gen 1... ) and there instead of 'learning by level up', moves are learned by pokemon figuring out how to do them (watching sun & moon reminded me of Johto anime episode where Ash was training with his Cyndaquil to teach it a new move & little me was confused why didn't he just level-grind it to get to appropriate level for it to learn it...) so Ash being so resourceful is good in anime but would be bad in games so no wonder people who casually watch anime & only get invested when trying to defeat that annoying gym leader or member of elite 4 will be predisposed to equate the anime and the games, especially because "they're both called pokemon"
that said I have about 30 more episodes in season 21 to watch so see ya
ash is a loser...it's not about the evolutions but rather the experience he has gained throughout his journey...he can't come out on top when it really matters...
Well that is because he always gets formatted or reset nearly every season with the possible exception of Kalos. Had he retained all the knowledge and EXP he gained from the previous seasons he would have been OP and possibly won each generation after a certain point.
@@mistresskixen6142 the only region where he lost his experience was unova in all other series he was just improved, that's why he was getting closed to win the league everytime and finally become champion and beat his most strongest opponent with his strongest pokemon.