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Accuphase: the sound (my opinion)
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2020
- My opinion of this brand. I highly recommend it, especially if you live in Canada or the US.
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Im still so in love with my e-650, bought it new in 2019.
Way to go Pipi!!
For how much?
@@MasterofPlay7 9000€ new after rebate
@@pipilangstrumpf7076 there's a rebate? You should listen to the fm300a clone recommended by the german youtuber, you'll be surprised
Nice review and I agree with you on the "higher-end" Japanese products being in "different" class. In my reference system I have a T+A PA3000 HV integrated and purchased a Luxman L-509X for a second system I needed to put together. The Luxman works fine in my second system but it's not in the same class as my T+A.
I own a c200x, p400 and a dp57 that I use as DAC and cd player from accuphase and b&w cdm7 NT speakers. I've heard a lot of high end gear. On my 35 I didn't want anything else. Just the sweetness and micro details you get in the sound is in my opinion the best I've ever heard. Also very important the interlinks that you use and the speaker cables. Use high quality! Otherwise you are going to hear it.
Having auditioned Macintosh, Accuphase, Luxman, and Yamaha (equivalent models AB, A, Wattages, Features etc) my money is with the Luxman amps. Just over all sound, looks, features and presence. But I guess it also depends on the room, speakers, sources, your own ears, and finally your mood too.
Yes Luxman has made some interesting/good amps, going in their own direction.
@@RealHIFIHelp Yes they have. I guess I prefer live music, and I find Luxman reproduce the sound closest, given the comparison amongst the 3 in discussion here. I'm sure there will be some cheaper as well as much more expensive brands out there, reproducing similar or even better natural sound.
I'm not a fan of tubes or warm sound. But more natural sounding and live.
I've seen some of these stage artists use pretty ordinary stage systems /PA systems in clubs and theatres, and live stage sounds great. Or is it just the ambience of it all? 🤔
@@thedroidbha Great question.
Try Nagra tube sound, that is a very unusual tube sound that is not warm.
@@RealHIFIHelp Sure will, but for now I have settled for Luxman paired with Focal Kantas. 😊
I guess music listening is a journey.
@@thedroidbha I'd agree. I own the Luxman L-590AXII but didn't get to hear the Accuphase. A friend used to own the Accuphase E600 and Naim and he preferred the latter with his Harbeth speakers. He mentioned the Accuphase sounds good and warm but lacks the sparkle and life of the Naim. I can understand people may prefer the warm glowing sound, almost tube-like especially when the amp is matched to some bright or lean sounding speaker. However, with more neutral or warm speakers, the Accuphase may sound a tad warm or uninvolving. Just a guess. The Luxman on the other hand sounds very close to neutral in my experience having compared it with many solid state amps. It has a very slight warmth being a Class A but not excessively so.
In my mind, the Luxman is splendid in both sound quality and looks, and perhaps value too when compared to the costlier Accuphase. The one thing that Accuphase wins is build quality, according to people who have seen both amps in the flesh.
Amplifier sound and continuity depend on speaker load.
The sound is clean and transparent, but i feel like little bit thin, i dont think is warm or thick
It’s because their machine takes at least 30 mins to warm-up and at least 3 months to fully break-in. And the sound before and after is huge
@@userzeldalink I heard it in audio show
I listened to a D'agostino integrated and it sounded really artificial, it wasn't real at all! The aesthetics are very bizarre and original but the sound was bad haha. I prefer Accuphase.
The funny thing is, that Accuphase measures extremely neutral and uncolored.
Like your review...i recently bought a mid priced Accuphase E480 and love it. I also happen to have Bryston BP17 & 4BSST2. Very different sound from both set-up.
I heard one of the previous models of the e480 and it was one of the best Accuphase I heard.
Yes Bryston is very different, long time ago I heard Bryston.
Not a review friend, as he says... an opinion.
Have you listened to the new Mark Levinson products? It’s awesome, natural, wide deep, layered, great dynamics, not solid state sounding at all. All around fantastic.
@@robertm8518 Excellent sound but factory service is non-existent since Harman took over. Accuphase still services everything they ever made at their factory in Yokohama, Japan.
Sincerely out of all my Accuphase products I had through the years, never had any issue requiring service nor repair nor maintenance,
Kind of nice to be there in case, but as necessary as an ashtray in a motorcycle as we say in my hometown .. 😊
Review phasemation, and 110/220 trasformer please.
I think it's worth considering how much it costs in Japan, which really isn't that much. The mark up is huge for Asia, and utterly bonkers for the U.S, etc. Take the DP-750 player. Here are three prices, in USD: Japan: 9.5k. Thailand: 15k. America: 14.5k. Jesus, it's actually more in Thailand! I wonder if the Japanese market is a loss-leader? Makes me wanna fly over there and stick something nice in a suitcase...ah, but the voltage difference.....shit!
У меня accuphase куплен был в Японии и переключен на напряжение в моей стране. Они все мультивольтажные и переключаются на любое напряжение.
Which is the better brand from hi end japanese. Luxman, Esoteric or Accuphase.
Wasn't Accuphase a break away from the old kenwood company.
If I remember the main designer from Accuphase designed some of the higher end kenwood models such as the series 600
I have not heard enough Esoteric gear to know the brand enough in terms of general sound. But what I heard which was very little sounded good.
Luxman is without a doubt the best value of the 3 comparing to what I heard of those 3 brands.
Accuphase is to me more of a certain type of sound and religion that I would say is more for a certain type of customer listening to certain music who usually has more money. I would personally only buy Accuphase if it was something like a e480 integrated with a built in DAC and I got it for a really good offer in Canada where the prices are maybe the best in the world for this brand.
When in doubt go for something like the Yamaha 2200 or even better 3200, that is almost better value than the Luxman IMO especially if you have matching gear that is a bit low end. If you have gear to match with this particular brand that is of a higher level, then definitely take Luxman.
Remember to buy it from a place that has compatible power standard with the country that you live in. As soon as you use a converter you lose at least 50% of the sound potential.
I don't know the history of Kenwood. I have though owned a lot of their older models from the 90ś and Kenwood is just a brand that isn't even close to Luxman, Accuphase in general terms, they usually make the more entry level stuff.
@@RealHIFIHelpmy uncle owned one of the high end models from kenwood from the late 70s and was amazing.
In my country the luxman 509 esoteric f 05 are all about the same price. And the Accuphase is 3000 dearer in australia
These are OUTRAGEOUSLY priced in Canada. I don't know why other countries think the prices are good here. All of the others you listed are priced more reasonably here.
Enjoyed the video. Will you ever have an opinion video on Vitus or Block Audio top models?
I don't think so, just because I have not heard enough of it.
Thank you.
Have you had any time listening to Viola Labs top models to offer your opinion on?
@@hilltraj I have not heard of that brand before.
Hi I have a pass labs INT-60. Should I go to a Macintosh MC9000 would that be a step up in your opinion. Thanks for your thoughts. Dan in NZ
Hi thanks for a great page
What do you think of the Kenwood preamplifier C1 and power amp M1? I love the sound from my old amps
I have heard some Kenwood models, but not these particular ones.
Inside they look okay. Which I can't say about their newer models. I have only owned a Kenwood CD player. But generally it is a very low budget brand.
But I guess these older models, are almost like a whole other brand. Same can be said with many other half suspect brands from around the 80's, where back then they sounded okay, but now it is not nearly as good.
I suggest you just keep them.
I love my Vintage Receivers, have about 8 units from Sansui, Pioneer and Marantz. Tone wise how would you compare Accuphase against 70s stereos? I’ve been planning to get Accuphase or Luxman integrated in the near future.
Even in the 70's stereo genre you had different families with rather thicker sound, or more precise ones.
Accuphase of today are very precise and are on par with studio gear. But the touch/making of an accuphase is special and outruns studio gear by far.
There is not much differences in between Accuphase and Luxman as both groups tend to look what each other is doing and propose concurrent products. Luxman is just a hint/tad thicker sounding, more creamy/velvetty in some places. Where Accuphase will never be flattering in any way. Just understand, those are tiny differences and also depend on the speaker you will run with them.
Hi. Excellent review. You put Accuphase into Group C of the ranking. How do you compare with other japanese brands like Luxman or Esoteric? I guess you put Luxman in Group A and Yamaha in Group B... but I appreciate your opinion. Thanks!
I would say that they are all about the same. With esoteric being a tiny bit behind them all. Then Yamaha top models and then Accuphase.
Difficult to rank Yamaha, because they are so bad with most of their weak models. And only from their 2000+ models do they begin to shake that sound of, and become a lot more like the usual gear from Accuphase. Luxman are fine with their top models just like Yamaha top models and Audio Research.
So everything on that list is for me about class c.
And that does not mean that they will sound bad.
Just that one will have to work with them a lot, to get the good sound out.
I would though of all of those brands, generally prefer Accuphase, which many times times will sound a lot better, because it is just generally a much high quality product from low to top models, because it is just a completely different price class.
But yeah most of those brands at their top models sound actually quite good, even though I am giving them all a C.
That is just because of the competition being so much better.
@@RealHIFIHelp Thanks for your reply. I have tested different models of those japanese brands and agree that Accuphase probably is the better of all them (in terms of global sound quality and build/components/construction level). Second place to Luxman. Even comparing to McIntosh integrated like MA8900 and MA9000, the E480 and E650 (Class A) i think Accuphase is more refined and precise in terms of sound. Build quality is great on both. The aesthetics is completely subjetive... Maybe McIntosh looks more impressive. I will try to test this models of Accuphase with Canton Reference and Sonus Faber speakers... I guees i can read you recommend it those speakers brands to match with Accuphase... or maybe some others? Thanks again for your suggestions! Oh... if you have compared Accuphase with Pass, Levinson, Mc or Krell, again appreciate your valuable comments!
@@sebas8340 All of those brands provide decent stuff. Especially the accuphase for the price. I agree with you.
Yes I have a feeling that Canton and Accuphase could be very interesting, and also like a Yamaha 2000 model with monitor audio pl200 or 300 would be really cool, and a crazy good value.
@@RealHIFIHelp accuphase products are good but too pricey.
@@RealHIFIHelp Leben 300xs beats Accuphase and run neck to neck with Otto se probably. I would need to hear Audio Note though!
Jag håller med, priser av Accuphase är alltför höga i Sverige, nästan 30% högre än de i Hong Kong :/
Fantastiše
Luxman 509z sounds more natural to my opinion....
Question... How does accuphase sound w/ balanced ins/ outs? Example.. Accuphase e 280 & accuphase dp 450 cd player. Running balanced. Does it add to its muchness?
Balanced ins just add better conditions for a quieter sound, even with long runs. Cinch would not be great on longer runs.
But I tend to say that it's not too important to have balanced ins for Hifi as the path between each element is generally short.
It is known to me, that some hifi brands have put terrible cinch connectors/designs on their products and got all out on the XLR connectors. This exist, but Accuphase is not a brand that would do that.
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I have focal maestro evo. Would u prefer accuphase C2450 or pass labs XP22?
I would prefer the Accuphase, and I also think that the Accuphase is a bit easier to work with on most other power amps without it losing it's musicality.
But if it was a Pass Labs xp32, then I might take that instead.
Since this is not a review but a (very personal) opinion, I think congrats on the video, not easy, although easy enough when it’s just an audio recording... not giving face.
Hope you don’t mind my opinion about your opinions...?
You seem to be a relativist, you are pretty vague, somewhat non exacting. Did you live in the US or in Canada ? And is it close enough?
Thank God for free will!
It is hard to believe you will have all those opinions you express about all the equipment you mentioned, even harder to believe that you have heard all the equipment mentioned in your own reference system.
Is my opinion (about your opinion) that you have had a serious level of experience with different brands and models, but not all that is hereby claimed.
Also I believe, that level of acquired experience gives you the confidence to express opinions about equipment you have an idea a about but you haven’t necessarily have heard in your reference system.
That is what I gather from what I hear.
My wish for you and recommendation from the heart ; if you wish to be taken seriously, leave the written paper and show who you are and what you think, and once you have achieved that, what you feel and know will become transparent to we, your fans
Congrats! Keep up the good works.! 😘😘
I live in Denmark (europe)
I like to look at things from a different angle, and not go to much into the usual popular stuff that most people do. I have a more philosophical approach.
@@RealHIFIHelp What speaker brand is most popular in Denmark? Jamo, DALI, Dynaudio? And prestige or price/quality? Thanks
@@sebas8340 They are all about the same in popularity. I don't know which is better, definitely not Jamo. There is also Audiovector.
@@RealHIFIHelp I believe Dynaudio climbs the highest on the quality ladder, followed not too far behind by DALI. But then if you like bright speakers, DALI will come out ahead of Dynaudio.
Any experience with Coda?
No
You’re comparing a $15,000 amp to amps well over $100,000. I’ll take a bit of a sugar coated sound if I can pocket the balance of the money.
Get the su-r1000, it is better and is an AMP/DAC.
10k USD and the built in DAC even beats top playback design.
@@RealHIFIHelp I need balance control and want tone control so unfortunately that Technics is not an option. I will look at Accuphase, Luxman, and Michi.
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I have not heard anything better than Restek audio from Germany. All this stuff is over priced and average in sound quality imo.
Like I always have been saying; Accuphase is very held back in sound when demoed in the stores and at shows, it can sound a lot better in your own home or in a much better setup.
A local demo of any brand is almost always a 5-10% demo of the truth, you have to grab a hold of what gets your attention and then max out the performance yourself.
to cut it short, Accuphase sounds precisely boring, lack of characters. Never be touched by Accuphase.
Whats wrong with you man?? Please review your ears. You are comparing the yanaha 2000 and 3000 with the Accuphase. These amps a levels apart in sound and engineering. I have them all in my showroom and virtually nothing beats Accuphase. Not even the pass labs. I have compared them side by side. The mark Levinson fell apart on big speakers and the McIntosh sounded stupid. I wouldn't even compare the yamaha and the luxman. They are just rubbish. You are making a mess with your comparisons. This is not only my opinion but of every customer that walked into my store. Man you are confused totally.
Working in a store creates this bias.
@@RealHIFIHelp i own my store and its not a bias. Its actual feedback from listeners who come to buy. Also if you consider Accuphase pricing is very stupid in India. Its like the pricing in the US market. So Accuphase pricing is way higher than it should be. Yet the customers pay and buy it. I have the luxman, yamaha, McIntosh, mark Levinson but still the Accuphase gear is most sought after. I can't blame my clients because I feel the same way. But if you insist its better to have a bias than to be confused.
I would think if you’re hearing different amps with the same front and back end in the same room you would certainly be an Authority on what’s good or not. 🤓
Between Accuphase E-480, the Luxman 590 AXII, and Naim's top end amps... which would you prefer with the British speakers like ATC, Spendor, Harbeth? Classic lines.
@@morespinach9832 Accuphase E 480 without a doubt.